Greetings from 14th century Crecy where I just witnessed the outnumbered English force of
12 000 defeat a superior French contingent of 36 000. As you may have realized by now, the December 13, 2005 dating on my previous blog was not a stupid oversight on my part. In reality, I've been researching a time travel story by testing out the time travel device located in the puddle jumper SG-1 recovered from the Good to Be King planet (yes, we still have it and its located somewhere in Area 51 where its been undergoing testing). Since I have 10 days until Edward III lays siege to Calais, I thought I'd take a break and fill you in on what's been going on.
Back in our time, we've been breaking stories for season 10 of SG-1. For the past couple of weeks, we'd gotten together (Brad, Rob, Paul, Carl, Martin, Alan, and myself) to break a good whack o' Atlantis stories. Like last year, Martin Gero will be kicking things off by scripting the premiere that picks up where Allies left off. For those of you who have access to a time time travel and have seen Allies, I'm sure you're asking yourself "How are they going to top that one?". Well, wait until July and prepare to be amazed. Alternately, you can travel forward in time and watch the episode. If you do, please record a transcript and then send it to Martin as it would save him a heck of a lot of time in the scripting process. Anyway, whenever he finishes up the premiere, he'll follow up with that other story he pitched which will finally give fans a glimpse at one of the most moderately requested characters in fandom: Mckay's sister Jeanie. Carl has packed up and headed back to L.A. where he starts work on an early season two-parter. Brad's got to tackle Delicious Fat Guy. And Rob's gearing up for the sequel to the Atlantis he wrote last year. Paul and/or I will get episode #2, which will see the return of two of my favorite guest stars.
We finally got around to spinning/breaking SG-1 last week only after the final deal had been closed (so that we knew exactly who we would be writing for, which always makes thing infinitely easier). Rob has staked out the big season premiere. I and/or Paul will be writing the second episode, formerly Morpheus but since some are worried that fans may confuse it with Orpheus or Moebius, I've decided to change the title to: "Before I Sleeping With the Enemy at the Gates of Heaven Can Wait Until Dark Water World" (Feel free to run with it. Knock yourselves out). Tomorrow, its episode #3, Brad's Daniel story, that sees the occasionally-bespectacled one travel far, far away.
Last episode of Lost. Loved it with a capital "L" (I feel the need to point that out since I started the sentenced with the word "Loved" and, as a result, had to capitalize it regardless). Call me crazy (and several of you have called me worse) but I find Ana and Mr. Echo infinitely more interesting than any of our regulars with the possible exception of Sawyer. Three episodes into season 5 of Alias (my wife is very unhappy). Finished the "Best of" (and, I can only assume "and Worst of") The Outer Limits seasons 1 and 2. I also finished up Futurama (I think it was season 3) and launched into Homicide season 2. My wife and I are also watching King of the Hill, season 3, on the big screen (love that Bobby Hill).
On the movie front, watched a neat little Korean chiller called Acaccia. Recommended. And, on the anime front, I'm halfway through those four shows I mentioned in my last blog and am now enjoying a couple (Midori Days and Dual), and not minding the other two (Android Kikaider and Gravitation which gets extra marks for its great opening theme). Now a few of you have given me some good recommendations, most of which I've already seen. Although my collection numbers about 3000 anime DVD's, I have worked my way through roughly 20% of them. To get a sense of what I'm enjoying, here is my "more of less" list of my top 25 anime series:
25: Video Girl Ai 24: Revolutionary Girl Utena 23: Golden Boy
22: Black Heaven 21: Ninja Scroll 20: Gatekeepers
19: Excel Saga 18: Niea Under 7 17: Patlabor
16: G.I.Ts 15: Boogiepop Phantom 14: Neon Genesis Evangelion
13: Escaflowne 12: Trigun 11: Hellsing
10: Last Exile 9: GTO 8: Kino's Journey
7: Azumanga Daioh 6: Rurouni Kenshin 5: Infinite Ryvius
4: Noir 3: Now and Then Here and There 2: Cowboy Bebop
1: Berserk
Continuing my Cantonese and Japanese lessons. Also picked up some great SF anthologies and a book by James Kakalios called "The Physics of Superheroes" which studies the physics behind the likes of Magneto and Electro. Cool.
Executive producer Joseph Mallozzi has been on the SG-1 writing
staff since Season Four. Along with writing partner Paul Mullie, Joe has
written such fan favorite episodes as "Window of Opportunity," "Summit,"
and "Lockdown." Joe lives in Vancouver, British Columbia. 
Feel like dropping any hints as to how Vala and Sam are going to get along?
Ooh! So close! Almost had the first comment.
So, what's gonna happen on December 13?
Liked the streaming list of movie titles. Am I to gather that you guys are going to write Atlantis first, then write SG-1?
OOh, Calais. Now that was good times. Just like seasons 1-8.
Ok, looks like your blog is a must-read from now on, what with the tantalizing details on S3/S10. ;)
PG15
I have the ability to time travel, I've seen Allies and it was a fantastic episode. The Premiere's of both shows where fantastic (SG-1 Season 10 and SGA Season 3). And Joe I'm kidding, and I know you were being sarcastic as well.
-Abydos
DEC 13 is my b-day >_<
Stick with 'Morpheus' if it fits the episode. Believe it or not, most SG-1 fans (at least those who actually remember the titles) are intelligent enough to distinguish the difference between 'Morpheus,' 'Orpheus,' and 'Moebius.' Most of us even know what each term actually refers to. Shocking, I know.
BTW - Plague, war, famine, death... out of all periods in history, why in the world would you want to go back in time to 14th century France?
Stick with 'Morpheus' if it fits the episode. Believe it or not, most SG-1 fans (at least those who actually remember the titles) are intelligent enough to distinguish the difference between 'Morpheus,' 'Orpheus,' and 'Moebius.' Most of us even know what each term actually refers to. Shocking, I know.
Well, I dunno. I mean they felt the beard was nessacary for Daniel so we could seperate him from Mitchell ;)
So tell me Joe, does this mean that Damien is no longer part of your little Stargating Club? Has he finally left to write the Star Trek stories he longs for? Brad and Rob tired of massively rewriting his stuff? Or, and you could make my day with this, do the Ori destroy Earth's fleet, thus negating the need for Damien to write his traditional "spaceship" episode?
"Before I Sleeping With the Enemy at the Gates of Heaven Can Wait Until Dark Water World"...okay here goes...
Ordinary Heroes In The Eyes Of A Stranger Through The Eyes Of A Killer Lost Treasure Of Atlantis. Starring: RDA....just beating a dead horse...bring him BACK.
Another one:
Past the Bleachers Beyond Betrayl is the Trail to Doomsday Pandora's Clock Fallout.
Firehouse Odd Jobs Legend, starring...RDA...BRING HIM BACK !!!
LOL> LMAO>
Sports. Night. Seriously, you will like it. Save it for after Futurama or something. It gets off to a clunky start, and ABC mauls it with a horrendous laugh track, but, still. Good. Show.
Also, I just got my SG: A DVDs from my mom, who was holding them hostage and, omfg, it rocks.
Commentary=lurve. You guys rock, hardcore.
Back to the Packer game...*sob*
Glad everything is in gear!
Ana is one of the great things that has happened to Lost! (Michelle Rodriguez just has that something!)
And I am going to have to agree with your wife about Alias S5. WTH happened? It's just not working for me.
Good luck on the lessons!
Hey, maybe most of us are smart enough to distinguish between Morpheus/Orpheus/Moebius, but then there are those people who caused food lables to say "hot when cooked" or something stupid like that.
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agentdark commented:
>>Well, I dunno. I mean they felt the beard was nessacary for Daniel so we could seperate him from Mitchell ;)<<
Having heard Michael complain at the 2004 Barcelona con about wanting to keep the beard, I suspect TPTB gave him a gift a year later. *grin*
Joe blogged:
>>Paul and/or I will get episode #2, which will see the return of two of my favorite guest stars.<<
*She who wishes to remain spoiler-free bites tongue and fingers*
Whoops, forgot to sign the above comment...
Gilder
We haven't scared you away!
:acts totally shocked because the crazies scare HER:
I had a oppurtunity to meet James Kakalios last July at CONvergence in Minneapolis. He had a very interesting panel and I, for once in my life, actually understood something involving math.
You will tell us which one was Delicious Fat Guy, right? Pwease? Has become a personal joke between my sister and I, we plan to bet on which one it is next season as soon the episode list gets revealed later on.
Can't wait to see Allies and the rest of both seasons, stop tempting me! I'm desperately trying to stay away from the BitTorrents of the one's being shown in Canada anyway!
As always love to hear the latest Stargate news!
-Kit (akinner@mac.com)
I take it this means you're staying on for Season 10? Hurrah!
And a little more politely than the grump above, where is Mr. Kindler? I very much enjoy his scripts and I'd be sad to see him go!
At this point, the only new character on Lost that interests me is Bernard. I'm hoping to see his reunion with Rose. (See, I do like some romance on tv. Just, not on Stargate. I think I may warm up to some of the others once all the survivors are together. Too much time away from Sawyer bores me.
And, a tiny little request for the upcoming episode with the occasionally bespectacled one. Let him be bespectabled, and not occassionally in this episode. You have my permission to do whatever it takes.
(I posted this before and it didn't show up, so ignore it if I did double post)
Hmmm... we need a big new story arc that dwarves the Goa-uld mythology to kick SG-1 forward, don't we... I'm sure the possibilities in the SG universe are limitless! :)
one of those guest stars better be FORD!!!!!!!!!!
There shouldn't be an apostrophe in "DVD's"... Unless it's some kind of Jaffa thing that I haven't heard about...
Hello Mallozi,
I heard that Claudia Black will be a main cast member of SG-1 in the 10th season and Amanda Tapping, too. So who will be in SG-1 and what is the point of bringing Claudia Black into the show regularly?
And would Sam be kicked out of the SG-1 team only to bring Vala in? I really don't hope you do so. Claudia in the show is Ok, but not as a part of the SG-1 team and Sam being kicked out of it.
Looking forward for Season 10! The Daniel story sounds like it'll be great - anything like Legacy or Lifeboat? I thought those were pretty dark.
Also, ... so, are we going to see Mitchell following the white rabit or something?
Can't wait to hear more!
Hey Joe,
I haven't commented on your blog in a while cause I'm sick of reading all the negative comments, but I have still be reading your blogs, and checking back almost everyday in anticipation of your next one!
And boy did you deliver today!!!!! What a fantastic blog!! Thanks for all the info on s10/s3, I am eagerly awaiting both as well as the second half of s9/s2!!!!!
Keep up the good work, keep up blogging, oh and let Martin know I have his script waiting whenever he wants to get in contact with me!!!!
Hugs
Erin
Hee. I was one of the idiots who talked about Orpheus. In my defense, Joe called it "Orpheus" in one of his "comment responses."
I know the difference, I just apparently have short-term memory problems b/c I forgot he talked about Morpheus in his blog and the latter was a typo. ;-) Keep Morpheus as the title.
(And I didn't think the beard was necessary. They DON'T look alike!--and I'm glad everyone's back for the new seasons.)
I've lost track of when Alias even airs anymore, but I'm getting back into Lost. I like the Korean couple, Locke, Hurley and Bernard and Mr. Echo. And Ana Lee killed the possible future vice president! (West Wing--he took the job when Don S. Davis refused...speaking of whom...)
Could Gen. Hammond be making a reappearance in S10/S3? Please?!?
Oh, excellent choice in Homicide. Filmed in my hometown.
Congrats on Vala becoming a reg next year. I'm sure Vala and Carter will BOTH be entertaining.
On the Atlantis side, a lot of folks are finding the flirty and "Kirkesque" moments for Shep are being overdone. Might want to tone it down for season 3. And please give Major Lorne a first name (if he survives). :O)
Agree with your assessment of "Lost", but add Desmond to the mix. I find him fascinating.
I wanna watch Azumanga Daioh...Yay!!! Claudia's a cast member now!! ^_^ It's gonna be a great 10th season. Can't wait to watch the last half of the season. Have fun learning Canto and Jpn.
And please give Major Lorne a first name (if he survives). :O)
i second that. Not a fan of Enemy Mine, i consider Lorne the only good thing to come out of that eps...but he's adorable as all get out on atlantis and i think he's a great counterpart to the first team.
More Lorne is a good thing....and a first name would be even better
I'm sorry to hear Rob Cooper is writing another Atlantis episode. His treatment of McKay as a bumbling coward in Runner nearly caused me to give up on the show.
Very glad to hear Jeanie will appear, and that Alan is in the writing room with you. Prototype was a fab episode.
Yeah, I thir....oh wait, no I don't.
Joe, please kill Major Lorne by the end of the season. Like all of the tertiary characters on Atlantis, all he does is take valuable development and screentime from any of the real characters. He's a waste of time and space. Lorne is a red shirt. And if Atlantis is going to be as "dark" as you producers like to call it, then bad things have to start happening. Lorne's gruesome dismemberment and beheading after days of torture at the hands of the Genii would be a great first step. Let's see the folks at Atlantis have to deal with Sheppard's team carrying a coffin back through the gate. Now that would be something different, wouldn't it?
And if you do have to give the walking tool a name, then make it something catchy. Here are a few suggestions:
Wally
Chubbs
Francisco
Hershel
Lupus
Thanks for hopefully considering my suggestions.
Anonymous said in a post at the last blog entry:
"Atlantis is fine without SG1, it's a great show all on it's own."
For your sake, and the sake of all the SGA fans, I hope you are right because with the announcement of vala being a regular caricature with a possible silly offspring story to bring with her, the possibility of Carter being on SGA and SG1, Mitchell as full leader and with Daniel as vala's lap dog/patsy/foil/, etc., it seems the bell is tolling for SG1 (especially since now Sci-Fi can also make the claim to the longerst running US sci-fi show and they don't need a S11). Good luck to all - it will be interesting to see whether the ratings sustain themselves thru S9 nevermind what you all will be subjected to for S10. As Bugs Bunny used to say - that's all folks - see ya around as this is one former fan who won't be sticking around for Stargate SG1 - the cartoon.
Terry B.
Actually, I think Rob Cooper and Brad Wright are the only guys who have written Mckay "in character". Like it or not, Mckay is a bumbling coward. That's exactly who he has always been since his creation. When Mckay gets written as a hero or even as a functioning adult, he's being written out of character. Like him or hate him, you can't change the fundamental core of a character without making him someone different entirely. And if you fans want to turn Mckay into a hero you might as well start calling him something else. I hope that Cooper writes Mckay with the same "in character" personality that he exhibited in Runner. And yes, that means I hope he's sitting there on the ground, shivering in fear as a firefight rages around him. Because that is Rodney Mckay.
Nigel
Nigel,
I disagree. People are more complicated than that. In any given situation we may react differently on different days on account of mood, health, timing, or other circumstances. A person who once was a bumbling coward, but is making their way toward being able to handle themselves in such situations seems likely to me to go back and forth between the two extremes while they're experiencing such character growth.
>> Like it or not, Mckay is a bumbling coward. >>
Gee, I guess I didn't need to spend countless hours watching the show or reading fanfic to develop my own sense of who Rodney is. I just needed to ask you! How very arrogant.
Rodney has hidden depths beneath the snarkiness, self-absorption, and hypochondria. He has the capacity for heroism and compassion. If he didn't, he'd be Dr. Smith from Lost in Space and I'd be praying for his demise for the two or three episodes it would take for me to stop watching the show.
Since SGA premiered, Rodney has been a main character. He needs to be written with redeeming characteristics beyond just his brains. He's not there as Felger, to be mocked for cheap laughs.
McKay, as annoying as he's been, has pretty much remained in character since his introduction on SG-1. Yes, he's grown into the obligatory HERO persona, but beyond that his core is still that of arrogance and bumbling cowardice.
It's great when they have him move outside of that box, and surprise those around him. That shows growth and development. But no matter how awesome McKay is, he's not really the kind of character who's the hero-of-the-week.
Somewhat like Vala, McKay is slightly over the top, selfish and arrogant, but great for snark and the comic relief. And, at the end of the day (again, like Vala), he still has the capacity for depth.
~DoS
Kick ass.
You should have been a salesman. Lots of fast words and really saying nothing at all.....
Yours truly
Confused from Washington
Hey! Don't listen to any of these weirdos trying to tear things down. McKay is THE MAN and Atlantis would be like 40% less awesome if he weren't there as written by EVERYONE! Super-excited about the remainder of 9 and 2 and can't wait for 10 and 3! Keep up the great work!
By the way, which episode is Rob following up on? By "the one he wrote last season", it could mean Season 1 from the viewer's standpoint, so we could assume it'd be a sequel to The Gift, which'd be great. If Season 2 is "last season", could it be a sequel to Conversion?
Wow, that's pretty weak, using fan fic to defend your opinion of McKay. Hey, I can make up my own reasons too, but that doesn't make them part of Atlantis. Try checking back after you watch the show, not your own "special" version of it where you've fanwanked everything you don't like off into some redeeming act. He's a coward. He's mean and base, has the social skills of a toddler, and views all things from the perspective of how they make him look good or bad and how they may harm or help him.
Oh, and there's no doubt that this boob is a main character. Just about every single episode of the show is written with him as the main protagonist, often times when it doesn't even make sense. Speaking of doesn't make sense, this guy should have been dead long ago. It's mere plot devices and contrivances that have kept him alive through season two.
Basically what you're saying is that when he does something heroic or extraordiany he should be exalted to the moon as the greatest thing ever in the Stargate Universe. But when he does something cowardly, mean, selfish, etc., it's OK, because he's Rodney. The guy gets a free pass from fans all the time for behavior and actions that get nearly every other character, from Teyla to Shep to Carter to Jack, lambasted and raked over the coals.
This doesn't make Rodney a "complex" character, it makes him contradictory. And it allows the writers to simply write the character however they wish or is necessary, given the situations he's placed in. Hence we get inconsistent characterization, where fans descry the character's behavior in one episode and laud it in the next. He grows and regresses over and over, never really developing at all. Ford's arc is an example of character change and growth (maybe not for the better, but growth none the less), Rodney's is an example of being completely stationary. He's a one trick pony, and it's already gotten old for many Atlantis fans. The fact that he's even allowed off base is an insult to Zelenka and the other scientists, who seem emminently more qualified to be placed in the field. As a former soldier I can tell you that I would never, ever want to go into combat with McKay on my team, and I can't believe that the others do either. Not unless they want to get killed that is.
Trevor, RAF
Mr. Mallozzi...
I do hope that you have more in store for my beloved favorite duo...John and Teyla...
Camy
I must add to my previous message...
Cut down on the "Captain Kirk" for John, it's boring, tiring and not what we want to see in his character..it is so no need it! ....but most importantly, you have such great female characters in Teyla and Weir...could you please stop using them as the shadow for the boys' specifically, Rodney and Sheppard and use them as the great female leaders that they have the potential to be.....
Have them save their butts for a change...and then go out on a girls night out across the galaxies and leave the boys doing the home cook meal.....
Camy
>> Hence we get inconsistent characterization, where fans descry the character's behavior in one episode and laud it in the next. He grows and regresses over and over, never really developing at all. >>
We agree there. I want him to be consistently heroic at the core, otherwise why would I invest in him as a character? I want him to grow into a real human being who overcomes his ineptitude and fears when the chips are down. That's why I don't want a Runner II that takes him backward to square 1 again.
Do you think we're supposed to hate Rodney? Is that the writers' intentions?
It wasn't until I started reading fan fic that I really started enjoying the episodes, because the best fanfic writers bring out the good in Rodney and find a depth in Sheppard that is sorely lacking on the show. If that's fanwanking, well, it got the show one more loyal viewer so maybe it's not all bad.
Hi, im a big fan of Stargate, and have been following it since it first came out
i was just wondering, will their be any more Baal, he seemed like an amusing character, and am intrested to see what he may be upto next in the Stargate universe, since most Goauld dont just live peacefully, and itd make a good sub plot what with the whole Ori thing
also as for Anime, check out an anime called Gantz, its very adult/violent, but is actually quite excellent
anonymous said:
It wasn't until I started reading fan fic that I really started enjoying the episodes, because the best fanfic writers bring out the good in Rodney and find a depth in Sheppard that is sorely lacking on the show. If that's fanwanking, well, it got the show one more loyal viewer so maybe it's not all bad.
Well, ok. There's really not much to discuss if you're determined to create "your own" Rodney Mckay character that you see instead of the one that's presented each week on Atlantis. But we agree that that isn't the character on the show.
anonymous also said:
Do you think we're supposed to hate Rodney? Is that the writers' intentions?
Yes, originally, that was the intention of the writers. Mckay was meant to be hated from the minute he walked into the SGC. Mckay was two-dimensional from the start, and he hasn't evolved much since. The closest he's come was, perhaps, the end of Trinity. But instead of acknowledging his own errors and innate hubris, he instead offers up some lame line about how he won't ever let everybody down and be wrong again. And then in the subsequent episodes he's right back to being a foil for the other nobler characters, having learned apparently nothing and not remembering at all his own limitations. So, when you say that you hate the Rodney in Runner, I say good, that's who the character is.
I understand wanting more out of the character. But we haven't been given more yet. We've been given a character whose personality changes to suit the situation, a character who can be funny via his arrogance, endearing thanks to his one-liners. And as is evident from the character's popularity, those things are enough for most fans. I suppose that many are like you; they're fans who purposefully ignore what they're presented with in order to make the character work for them. But I still say out of all the science fiction/alien elements involved in Atlantis, the most unbelieveable aspect of the show is that there are military personnel and warriors who are willing to trust their lives to Rodney when there's a better option. Or that there are leaders who allow him to continue going off world given his cowardly, unreliable nature.
Trevor, RAF
Magneto and Electro are superheroes?
I hope you've watched Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex already. If not you're really missing out. It essentially dwarfs the quality of the anime series you seem to otherwise enjoy. Please give it a look over.
3000!? Where do you live, and what's the easiest way into your house? I feel the need to 'borrow' them. You can get one DVD back when you write a good episode of Stargate. ;p
Now, how cool would it be to have Felger drooling over Vala? Huh huh?
pettygrew :)
more sam.
more sam/jack.
k?
sally :)
Pettigrew said:
"Now, how cool would it be to have Felger drooling over Vala? Huh huh?"
About as cool as having McKay drooling over Sam--not at all. It's sad that the Stargate's audience is no longer the kind that goes in for drama or development. Now it's all just orgiastic sensationalism and the next instant gratification of whim. Tittliation has replaced substance, kitchy ideas have replaced sound story ideas. Plotting is increasingly convoluted, but at least it was a "cool" shot or story or scene. So long as it tickles the fancy of the lowest common denominator, it's gold on Stargate right now. More's the pity.
Anonymous above this post said:
"About as cool as having McKay drooling over Sam--not at all. It's sad that the Stargate's audience is no longer the kind that goes in for drama or development. Now it's all just orgiastic sensationalism and the next instant gratification of whim. Tittliation has replaced substance, kitchy ideas have replaced sound story ideas. Plotting is increasingly convoluted, but at least it was a "cool" shot or story or scene. So long as it tickles the fancy of the lowest common denominator, it's gold on Stargate right now. More's the pity."
Sums it all up very nicely, plus it was oh sooo much fun to write. Cheap, sleazy, low-class, caricature is always fun to write -the hard work is good drama that garners respect as opposed to cheap laughs.
Binkpmmc
"I suppose that many are like you; they're fans who purposefully ignore what they're presented with in order to make the character work for them"
So by your reckoning, liking McKay as a character makes us ignorant?
Please.
People are entitled to their opinions about characters, whether they're poorly written or not; and for the record, it's my opinion that McKay is far from poorly written.
In fact, I enjoy Atlantis on weekly basis, purely because I feel that he represents something that many viewers can identify with. I'm sorry we can't all be former soldiers like yourself, and as such, some viewers might find it more difficult to identify with a character who has no issues charging into a fight gun-first, as opposed to a character who is reluctant to enter a situation that seems more than likely to result in death, in much the same way that Rodney would.
You're entitled to your opinion in the same way that I am, but calling people ignorant for holding their opinion is just...well, ignorant.
You have a time-machine, Joe? Superb. I'd like a quantum mirror so I could set up a profitable line in "Alternative Reality Tours". Of course it would be a bit too tempting to "lose" some people somewhere :grin:
I'm looking forward to the next half of season 9. Episodes like "Off the Grid" and "Ripple Effect" sound like they're going to be great (I carefully avoid spoiling myself much).
You do realize that Ana Lucia is currently the most hated person in the fandom, right? Personally I don't get it, because what she did made the show a lot more interesting (after oh-so-disappointing s2 first eps). And all that angst I'm not seeing in the trailers *heeee*.
But I have to agree with you. Ana and Mr.Echo are the most interesting characters so far. I do think about Sawyer being in the same league. Probably Sayid now. But it can be that I simply love Sayid and refuse to acknowledge him being a shallow character...
I hope that s10 of sg1 and s3 of atlantis will be as good as everybody hopes.
oh, and btw:
I LOVED THE HIVE!!!!!
I don't want to say why, because America is still during the hiatus, but. This was one of the finest actings I saw on the show. Two thumbs up for you and everyone there.
Cala
Hi Joe,
Nice to read about the writing stuff - I like Martin's writing and can't wait for the episode about Jeanie! Of course, I know it's still a long wait away.
Do you reckon he will write something where David has to undergo some tortourous peril??? (just giving some hints here!)
Wow, I had no idea you were such a huge anime fan! Now everything makes sense - ie the Japanese lessons and the constant mentions.
I've been trying to figure out why you keep leaving all these little words in Cantonese (am new to reading your blogs) and now I realised that's coz you are taking lessons.
Hope you're learning lots - it's not easy learning Chinese (I'm Chinese and I have problems learning some of the dialects!)... :D Cantonese is pretty cool though - especially great when ordering food (yum!) - good luck with it.
As they say in Cantonese, Joi gin!!!
Have a nice one!
Alex
It wasn't until I started reading fan fic that I really started enjoying the episodes, because the best fanfic writers bring out the good in Rodney and find a depth in Sheppard that is sorely lacking on the show. If that's fanwanking, well, it got the show one more loyal viewer so maybe it's not all bad
with all due respect folks, if you're expecting 'reality' to measure up to fanfic, you're doomed to be disappointed. Fanfic is notorious for twisting and warping the characters to suit the writer's own personal preferences.
daniel, in a popular fanfic characterization, is a 98 pound weakling, incapable of taking care of himself, but is adored by all...of course only after he selflessly does something to save the lives of those that callously treat him poorly.
jack is a rude, annoying and mean man who will knowingly and willingly hurt his friends with his thoughtless and military mindset...but will repent in the end and angst over hurting his little danny-wanny or samikins
sam is a weepy little girl who needs a bit strong man to take care of her. if pete is abusing her - like sam would take that - she needs jack to rescue her. or she needs daniel to save her from mean jack or she needs someone to keep her safe and take care of her
teal'c....poor t-man is good for nothing more than 'what is a oprah' jokes and to carry the injured person through the gate.
and i'm sure the atlantis characters suffer from similar bad characterizations created by fanfic writers who twist the characters to move thier story.
so, if you're expecting the show to measure up to fanfic....you're gonna be disappointed. and you're expecting the wrong thing. the show shouldn't change to suit the fanfic writers, the fanfic writers could change to match the show instead of creating original characters with familiar names
While you are planning for S3 you might consider giving the Captain Kirk routine a rest. The worst thing about Star Trek was all those ludicrous hot alien women who lusted after Kirk. Now here we go again with Shep. Yes, we know he's attractive, and yes, it appears he doesn't invite the attention. However, it's beginning to look ridiculous. And now we have Joe Flanigan talking about it like it's a good thing. I know he can't publicly choose between his two female co-stars, but he doesn't have to advocate being the slut of the Pegasus Galaxy. And while we're on the subject, let's just all admit that there is no, none, absolutely not a hint of screen chemistry between John and Teyla and move on.
I'm sure that Joe Flanigan is going to love being the next RDA.
Bobjim said:
"You're entitled to your opinion in the same way that I am, but calling people ignorant for holding their opinion is just...well, ignorant."
Wow, you managed to misuse that word twice in one sentence. I never called anyone ignorant; I said that you're purposefully projecting fanfic authors' interpretation of the characters upon the characters in the show. You're openly acknowledging that you see that things are different onscreen but don't care, because you've got your own idea of who McKay or Teyla or Shep is. In no way does that make you ignorant; you'd be ignorant of the facts if you tried to deny that things in the show are different than the way you see them.
Trying to write off McKay's ineptitude or arrogance or cowardice as something redeeming or something to be proud of is an astounding act of fanwanking. Maybe it makes him endearing to others who want to justify similar behavior in themselves. Maybe it makes him entertaining because he gets to say all the mean, nasty, and spiteful things we all want to say to others sometimes. But to try to make it out as if that is an admirable quality or as if it is something to be proud of or something to emulate, well, that's a sad commentary on where our role models and heroes come from anymore.
Stargate used to be about portraying some modicum of military realism. It used to matter to TPTB that they produced a product that was somewhat convincing, something that folks could relate to. Now the shows have seriously sacrificed much of that military realism in order to accomodate a slate of new characters more suited to a Flannery O'Connor novel than a military enterprise. Not having Carter command SG-1, Mitchell's reassignment to a ground unit, Mitchell's CMH, Vala's inclusion in any scenario or mission, McKay's bumbling cowardice on a frontline unit, Lam working for her father--all of these changes serve to undermine the show's military credibility. And all of this is to say nothing of how Atlantis now openly portrays the military as evil and subversive. Col. Caldwell is an irascible, unthinking, dogmatic blockhead in most situations simply so that Dr. Weir's civilian or diplomatic viewpoints can be justified as the correct course of action. Compare this to O'neill, who was always portrayed as making the right, but sometimes distasteful or difficult, decisions from a military standpoint.
I'm not saying that the military is perfect or beyond reproach. But for the Stargate Universe to undergo such a complete turn around on it's portrayal of the military in just ten episodes for both shows so far this year is disappointing to say the least. I feel let down, and I'm surprised (and saddened) that I'm the only one.
Trevor, RAF
Joe Flanigan the next RDA? That's the best joke I've heard this month.
Trevor, I'm aware you didn't flat out call anyone ignorant, but it felt pretty heavily implied by the excerpt from your comment.
I'm not trying to imply that McKay is a good role model; far from it - some episodes (Trinity in particular) suggest otherwise - since he does have a fair few qualities, such as the arrogance and cowardice that you identified, that aren't enviable characteristics. But on the other hand, he does have some character traits that people can identify with, although not necessarily for the right reasons.
For example, I know I'd be scared in the same way that McKay is if I came face to face with a Wraith. That doesn't meant to say I'd act in the exact same way, but the fear is something that I personally can identify with.
"You're openly acknowledging that you see that things are different onscreen but don't care, because you've got your own idea of who McKay or Teyla or Shep is"
Honestly, I've never read a single word of fan fiction, as it's never appealed to me. And yes, I do have my own idea of who McKay is - but that's an inevitability of any TV show. Viewers will interpret characters' actions as they see fit. You only have to trawl through other comments and forums here to see that.
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Mary, if you described all (or even 98%) of fan fiction accurately I wouldn't read a word. Demands I make of the fanfic I read include the characters being "in voice" like the show and sound use of canon (unless it's deliberately AU). Quite a few professional writers use fanfic writing as a tool as well as relaxation. Doing it right is great training and practise for such sides of the profession.
Trevor, your words are depressing and your tone is accusatory... as if there is something wrong with those of us don't read McKay just like you. It's fiction, not science. There are no data points to gather, no graphs to draw, and no proofs or final answers. Our own experiences cause us all to have different perspectives on a character. No perspective is going to be the clearly correct one. As with all art, it's supposed to look different and mean something different to every individual. Lighten up.
Whatever your intetions, Trevor, you sound increasingly condescending with every post you make. In fact- dare I say it?- you sound a lot like McKay. ;)
But whatever. I tend to agree with the person talking about fanfics. I've read some fics which are better written than certain episodes that have aired over the past few seasons. THAT, in my opinion, is a sad commentary.
But hey, it's only a TV show, right? ;)
Wow Joe, I have to give you props for your anime top 25 list. Not only do you have the traditionally picked ones like Bebop, Escaflowne, and Eva, but you also have great series like Azumanga, Boogiepop, and Now and Then. And Utena! Most people run screaming from that series. I bow to you, sir.
Hmmm...so you're looking for anime recommendations and the anime have to be licensed in the US. The second season of GITS:SAC, which I bet you'd enjoy, is currently airing in Japan and not licensed yet. Likewise, I'm not sure if all the episodes of Planetes, Full Metal Alchemist, or Samurai Champloo (all excellent) have been released in the US yet, so those are probably out for now.
I noticed you picked Excel Saga, so you may like the insanity of FLCL or the sheer wtf of DiGi Charat. Haibane Renmai may interest you if you liked Kino's Journey. Gankutsuou has had great reviews so far but I haven't seen it to give my recommendation.
(Joe, if I recommend an anime series and you watch it and find it to be the best thing ever, do I get some sort of prize? Like...a set tour? Directed by a Mr. Hewlett? Because that would definitely increase my motivation. Hee hee, j/k.)
One of these days I'm going to post a comment in your blog that's actually about stargate...
OK... We need an Official Joe Mallozzi's Blog Special Edition definition of fanwanking.
Any takers?
~ the dancer of spaz (DoS)
OK, this is my last response on this fanfic stuff, as I'm feeling that you've all gone on the offensive over it. I'll accept that perhaps that's a response to my heretorfore expressed distaste for the myopic viewpoints it engenders, so I'll let it go after this.
-k said:
"No perspective is going to be the clearly correct one. As with all art, it's supposed to look different and mean something different to every individual."
I'm not advocating a clearly correct perspective. But while there may not be a single, absolute right way to look at things, there ARE sometimes wrong ways to look at things. There can be room for interpretation while still ruling out most explanations or mitigating circumstances. To use your example, you're advocating blatantly ignoring half of a canvas just to support your interpretation of an artist's work. Or to be more precise, you're using another artist's canvas to try to rationalize an unsupported view in the original artist's piece. And in so doing you're also deciding that the orignal artist's intention or message shouldn't be taken into account when viewing the work. I'll agree that some artistic mediums or styles lend themselves to this sort of reading, but Stargate is not one of them. Art is only meant to look different to each person when that's the artist's intention. TPTB are clearly not telling an abstract story, although the decompostion of form in Season Nine might make an interesting discussion.
Trevor, RAF
Shadowmaat, YOU'RE calling other people condescending? What's the matter, don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot? Hypocrisy is still thy name.
Trevor
I agree with you in one aspect. the near total disregard of military 'right and wrong' is one symptom of what's wrong with the show. Stargate used to be something the Air Force was proud of. it showed them in such a positive light that the AF liked it.
now??? now it's a joke. co-leaders???? please. cam getting the CMOH??? another please and an insult to those that honestly earned this nation's highest award.
not to mention the whole vala situation, tank tops on duty, etc, etc, etc.
I can tell the day that Tom, thier original advisor retired....it's the day that Stargate became more an exemple of the Air Farce than the Air Force
Trevor,
First I must clear up one fact... I am not a fanfic reader. It's easy to get confused when there are so many people making the same argument. My argument was with your description of McKay as a character with no redeeming qualities.
"...you're also deciding that the orignal artist's intention or message shouldn't be taken into account when viewing the work."
After posting my last message, I did feel I should have mentioned the role of the artist's intentions. I'm glad you brought it up. I feel very certain that it is not TPTB's intention for McKay to be as you described. Well, not wholly as you described. In his second appearance on SG-1 he was shown to have more depth and his duality began to fascinate me.
"To use your example, you're advocating blatantly ignoring half of a canvas just to support your interpretation of an artist's work"
From my perspective, you seem to be the one ignoring the other half of the canvas... as here:
"Just about every single episode of the show is written with him as the main protagonist, often times when it doesn't even make sense. Speaking of doesn't make sense, this guy should have been dead long ago. It's mere plot devices and contrivances that have kept him alive through season two."
To me, these portrayals of Rodney actually *do* make sense. That's my perspective. He does go back and forth a lot, but based on my experiences as a changing, growing (I hope) individual... I find that to be quite accurate. In other words... I relate to McKay as he is portrayed on the show.
I thought Gateworld was supposed to be a fandom for the Stargate shows but it seems I'm wrong. After reading all the comments on this blog I'm wondering if you are real fans because you seem to be intent on tearing apart both shows.
I haven't seen SG1 season 9 so I can't comment on that but I have seen Atlantis season 1 and the first part of season 2 and I love the show and the characters in it. It's an entertaining hour for me and frankly that's why I watch tv to be entertained to escape RL for a while and to be able to relax and enjoy myself. Atlantis is very enjoyable and fun to watch and I'll keep watching as long as they make eps.
I'm a die-hard Atlantis fan and while I like how the city has been flushed out with new sets, Paul McGillion is getting far more screne time, nothing makes it more difficult to watch the show is then to have Captain Kirk moments with Sheppard.
I feel that it personally hurts the development of his character to have him as this girl a week attitude. That's been done, leave that to the real captain Kirk and make Sheppard his own kind of hero.
On this issue of sending Sam to SGA, I don't think this should be done. The SGA cast is already flushed out considerably, you don't need to add more right now, establish their characterizations before you go adding a nine year veteran. An episode or two is fine, but she shouldn't detract from Atlantis.
I don't want SGA to become SG-1. What makes SGA so compelling is that it's NOT SG-1. I think it has to stay that way.
Can't say that I've been that impressed with SGA. But then it is only season two...lots of room for growth. And IF it's well WRITTEN there is no end to the potential of the series, no matter who the characters are.
But I was impressed when I got to to go visit the studio set last spring. It's amazing what they can do with plastic, pretty wee lights, and plaster....oh yeah, some dirt and fake plants too.
So apparently Joe Flanigan thinks the "Kirk" routine is fun? Sheppard is a high ranking military officer pushing 40. You would think he would be mature enough to control his bottom half by now.
Lots of talk about Rodney above. Rodney is fine. What's all the bellyaching for?
And when the heck are Teyla and Ronon going to get THEIR hug?
Small rant for Rodney. When the hell is he gonna get a steady girlfriend? I mean, the guy isn't terrible once he's trained like Weir has got him.
*cough*
New titles from Morpheus: Ultimatum (probably doesn't fit, just throwing it in here), Archaic Paradise, Sheppard & Jane (how did that get there? Oh yeah, my original novel), Heaven's Revenge...
What is Morpheus about anyways?
trevor said: I'm not saying that the military is perfect or beyond reproach. But for the Stargate Universe to undergo such a complete turn around on it's portrayal of the military in just ten episodes for both shows so far this year is disappointing to say the least. I feel let down, and I'm surprised (and saddened) that I'm the only one.
Trevor, RAF//
i can't speak for atlantis, trevor, but, i too, see the show pulling away from the military mindset. and i think it started before season 9.
can you imagine the military giving clearance to a civilian after he/she did a background check on one of their own, and then followed that person to a stakeout and interfered to the point of almost causing deaths? that was pete shanahan, who got the info and the girl at the end of the ep.
adding this into the other things you sited... i wonder just how long the military advisor was taking lunch?
sally :)
OMG you people will just whinge about anything wont you!!!! Joe takes up his valuable time to blog for us, something which he doesn't have to do!!! And this week he delivered a first class blog which is both funny and gives lots of behind the scenes information about the upcoming seasons!!!!!
There is no reason at all for negative comments to be made in regards to his blog!!!
You all need to realise that at the end of the day Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis are televison shows not real life and the simple solution to all your problems is if you don't like them DON'T WATCH THEM!!!!!!!
thanks anonymous poster above. now shut the hell up.
Rampant abuse of exclamation points. The posting judges will deduct accordingly.
Oh wow, sounds like season 10 is going to be a blast! I'm also glad to hear we'll be getting more info on McKay's sister. Very nifty.
Hey Joe, I've got a San Francisco restaurant for you if you want formal dining and if I'm not too late. My husband was born in SF and says that Julius Castle is very nice!! He should know but don't hold it agaist me if he's wrong, please.
Sorry you must put up with the garbage here, as always say, dont' feed (ignore) the trolls! I always do and I live a blissful life, lol, kinda.
Seasons ten and three will be wonderful no matter what you do because you guys are the best "idea" people around. I am loving season nine and two so far.
Mitchell rocks!! I miss Ford and Lorne is great! You know I always have to say those things. :D Have a great time creating the best show on TV!!!
I told you your wife would be mad at Alias again. I love the show but *red faced* I get mad at it too.
I miss your Ice cream :( Let me know how you liked SanFrancisco and tell all you did. Thanks and I love you as always, P
Am I missing something here because so far Sheppard has had one alien girl and that was in Sanctuary in Season 1 how is that girl of the week? I like Shep he's a fun character and I love the snarkiness between him and McKay.
Joe, you do know there's at least half your fanbase NOT looking forward to Vala and devil's spawn, right? To hell with them?
Except for Sanctuary, I'm not picking up on the Kirk-vibe with Sheppard. If anything, I'm picking up Jack-vibes galore except for the fact that I'm unaware of Jack having any clown issues... ;)
As for McKay, David ought to win something for his performance in The Hive...I just felt how miserable McKay was feeling. It's neat seeing McKay as he progresses in the field as he now has to make up crazy solutions on the fly all the time...so perhaps he sees what Carter's been up against all these years now that he's walked a mile in her field operative shoes and won't be so judgmental and snarky. Or maybe he won't be judgmental of her but definitely still will be snarky. It's the McKay way.
I would like to have seen more with Elizabeth though...she's really growing on me as a character and I wish she could have been more involved with this episode. I appreciated how concerned she was with Rodney...that beat with her and Carson not cluing Rodney in on what helped save him was a great moment...and I love the closeness between all of them that seems to be developing...something I'm currently missing on SG-1 but hope to see soon and believe I will based on some of the spoilers.
I like the dynamic between Teyla and Ronon. He respects the warrior and leader that she is and doesn't just look at her as "the girl"...kind of like Teal'c and Sam's relationship. I'm hoping to see more development for Teyla too btw.
And as I am completely addicted to Paul McGillion, feel free to have Beckett in as many eps as possible.
It was great to see Ford again and I believe/hope it wasn't the last time.
I'll agree with something I read about The Hive...it seemed to have ended so abruptly. Just my picking of nits I guess but I would have liked it to be a bit more in depth, perhaps a part 2 of 3 and that way we could have seen more with regard to how they got home and a little more regarding the queen...like what WAS her name??? Hmm. .. I think I'll go with Maris.
Okay that's it for my SGA rant de jour. Serve with the ice cream of your choice. ;)
Mary Beth
This really is a laugh...
The people of the Stargate Franchise give us hours of endless entertainmnet. Cutting edge TV effects, great stories, wonderful characters, and they work more in a week than some would in a month.
Then in their time off, they travel around and give up time with their family and friends to see us in conventions et al...and people have the balls to think they deserve more? That the producer/writer of the show has to answer to them in his blog?
Joe, you could write "I am a fish...redemption is a cupcake." over and over and it'd still be worth it. From a genuine fan, thanks for everything - you guys rock!
Clocky wrote:
That the producer/writer of the show has to answer to them in his blog?
The question is "Why does Joe do this blog? What is his purpose? What does he hope to gain?" Motives are to be questioned.
Ticky
Clocky wrote:
That the producer/writer of the show has to answer to them in his blog?
The question is "Why does Joe do this blog? What is his purpose? What does he hope to gain?" Motives are to be questioned.
Ticky
Clocky wrote:
That the producer/writer of the show has to answer to them in his blog?
The question is "Why does Joe do this blog? What is his purpose? What does he hope to gain?" Motives are to be questioned.
Ticky
Clocky wrote:
That the producer/writer of the show has to answer to them in his blog?
The question is "Why does Joe do this blog? What is his purpose? What does he hope to gain?" Motives are to be questioned.
Ticky
Clocky wrote:
That the producer/writer of the show has to answer to them in his blog?
The question is "Why does Joe do this blog? What is his purpose? What does he hope to gain?" Motives are to be questioned.
Ticky
Why do people write blogs? Why do folk critique shows? Because it's fun to share. No mystery.
I disagree with Trevor about Mckay up to a point... Mckay's flaws seem quite human too me, with room for development. Where I do agree with Trevor is on the military/professional angle to both shows now. There always was a reasonable degree of dramatic license for the SG-1 team (they got off for being disobedient because they saved the world in doing so, etc.) but lately it has become an implausible representation. The Atlantis team have to use Mckay (who is alternately a saviour and a liability) because they're stuck with limited personnel, so there's a caveat. But back on Earth the situation is different. The leaps are too big to swallow. For example, Pete was doing well up to the point where he spied on and stalked Sam (and his FBI buddy clearly knew Pete was checking up on her for personal rather than professional reasons and wasn't bothered - maybe that was supposed to be a humour moment but it was distasteful and didn't do much for the FBI). Then the Air force looked idiotic for disclosing the Stargate programme to Pete right after that. This sort of thing leaves me wondering where season 10 of SG-1 will place Vala the thief and con-man.
That said, overall I'm enjoying both shows very much and looking forward to more.
Joe, a little question for you (if you manage to weed through these many messages in your pre-season busy-ness and have a chance to answer): How does one pitch for Stargate if one does not yet have an agent (and saying "get an agent" doesn't count as a reply, silly), but one has ideas one wants to share?
- J.
write a fanfiction
greetings, joe,
the s/j angle is a dangling thread. ignoring it might make it unravel. don't let it unravel. tie it up, in a nice, pretty shippy bow! :D
sally, your resident sam lover and sam/jack lover :D
The question is "Why does Joe do this blog? What is his purpose? What does he hope to gain?" Motives are to be questioned
to get something to laugh about during writing meetings????
IMHO, joe enjoys doing this, and certainly seems to gain no little amount of enjoyment out of baiting one 'side' or another.
he likes to rabble rouse...and in this fandom there is more than enough rabble to go around
Joe, read your stuff at the Solutions forum on delphi. Are you really saying that Lexa Doig/Dr. Lam isn't coming back for season 10?
To be honest, the character wasn't working for me and Lexa Diog was way too stiff and lifeless in the role (maybe she spent too much time playing a robot). So I will have no problem if she and Lam don't return and the SGC gets a new Chief Medical Officer.
Joe, any truth to the rumor that Lexa Doig left the show because of Claudia Black's addtion? Word is that she felt underused and that you guys felt there wasn't enough room for three females on the show. Is this why Sam is being scuttled too?
sgathena11
Holy Crap, they are Tok'Wraith!!!!!! How's that for overuse of exclamation points? OK, let's see if I can map out the next few years for Atlantis...
Season Three--the Replicators search out Atlantis after capturing an Ancient ship in space, set a course for the city, but are stopped by uncontrolled reentry destroying the vessel. Still, they become a threat to the Pegasus Galaxy for seasons to come.
Season Four-- the recurring Tok'Wraith with a crush on Teyla (you know how alluring her "special" DNA must make her) is the victim of mind control by the new big bad introduced last season. He is shot on in the Gatrium by Teyla after he is found out. Also, John and Elizabeth vocalize their feelings for one another, but agree to leave it "in the room". Finally, the season ends with McKay hurling an active gate at the sun in a brilliant recreation of Carter's similar plan from SG-1. This stellar homage results in once again saving the city from an even larger, more unstoppable wraith fleet than last time.
Season Five-- there will be no season five. SG-1 exits the stage after 11 years on the air, resulting in Atlantis running out of ideas to copy, but make "cooler". Scifi pulls the plug, as there's no longer any opportunity for crossovers, and they lack confidence in the show's ability to finally make it as a spin off rather than supplement to SG1. Sadly, Dr. Weir never gets the chance to ascend.
Geez, no wonder you're so desperate to get Carter and Daniel on Atlantis. Apparently all your ideas go wherever they do.
Hi Joe,
I just started watching SG1 this summer and I think it's great. Don't know how I missed it for so long. I've bought almost all the boxsets, just season 2 and 8 to go. My question is why Sam is no longer in charge of SG1? I've looked around the boards and haven't found a definitive anwser. Some say it's b/c of her duplicate and how she got away, some say its because she's with Jack now, and some say she never had command before (which is totally crazy). I've seen all but two episodes from season 9 including all the ones with Sam, but I didn't see any where she got demoted. What's going on?
Thanks for a great show that I love now. Looking forward to season 10 and more of Sam.
Marissa Pentino
Joe,
I thought my days of "doing homework" were done when, The Stakehouse closed-up shop and William the Poet stopped posting there.
I also found out a little more about the date posted in your blog:
The Battle of Crécy took place on 26 August 1346, near Crécy, in northern France and was one of the most important battles of the Hundred Years' War. Because of new weapons and tactics used, the battle is seen by many historians as the beginning of the end of chivalry.
Is this a sign of things to come for SG-1/SGA?
LaCroix
There's one thing that I would still love to see on Atlantis or Stargate. We get angst galor about whether major characters should tell old friends or the ones they love about what they are involved with at work.
What we haven't seen is one of them finding out that someone they love already knows - not because of what they said, but because that person is ALSO a member Stargate Command and has been keeping the secret from them as well.
Just one scene - even in the background of the scene - with that kind of relevation would make me smile.
Major Lorne - his character works on all the levels that Lt. Aiden Ford's didn't. Give him a first name and a long-term contract.
As to Ford in Season Two - he's been incredibly spooky. I don't see a long story arc there, but it has been a memorable one.
Finally, the "real" McKay in my opinion is the one in "38 minutes". He's alternately whiny, irritated and brilliant. The actor's real genius comes out after the major crisis is over. If McKay were only a whiny coward, he wouldn't have shown the concern he did for Ford and Shepherd's conditions. In a sense, he stepped up to the plate to take their place and was calm and competent in checking on his fellow crewmates and updating Weir. Hewlitt plays the character brilliantly - you never know which side of the persona is going to come out.
OMG!!! Joe, I just read some spoilers for upcoming Atlantis episodes here: www.sg-emeridian.net
Please tell me that the Atlantis characters dont' come off looking as inept and bumbling as these spoilers indicate. I'm not going to go into detail here for fear of spoiling others, but I'm sure you must know what I'm talking about. Cripes, it's like every episode involves an astounding amount of bumbling and incredibly poor decision making. Please, tell me they're just really bad write-ups. Please.
PS
I hope the script for that one episode is written in iambic pentameter. It's an "homage", right?
Man, I'm having major troubles getting excited about a season 10. I'm not liking all the changes that have taken place. I like the Ori, but I don't care for Mitchell (why exactly is HE in charge of SG-1 instead of Carter?). I like Landry, but I don't care for Dr. Lam. I do NOT like Vala, but I've found out she's going to be on the show next season as a regular? Criminy!
Change I can take. Change that dismantles 8 years of Stargate SG-1 is bad change in my book.
When are you going to do the Wraith feeding of a Prior episode ?
Go, Trevor. Excellent points, well made. Not condescending at all, just forthright. I confess I do love Rodney as a character, but I take everything you said.
Word to the concern over the detailed spoilers. First thing I thought when reading was ... okay. These people are so stupid and easily duped, they deserve to be sucked dry.
There can always be a distance between spoiler and reality, so I'll reserve final judgement. But not looking good.
You know, Cooper used to be a damned fine writer, but the further up the food chain he climbed, the worse he's got. As a show runner I find him deficient in the extreme. Brad Wright writes rings around the lot of you, and the Wright/Glassner team supervised the very best SG1 had to offer. I miss those days.
Tammy.
Marissa Pention said:
"My question is why Sam is no longer in charge of SG1?"
Marissa, are you sure Sam isn't in charge? She was in charge in Ex Deus Machina and Prototype. She led the team in Babylon too, both in the opening and afterwards when they were trying to get the transporter to work. And seemed to be the only one finding a solution to the problem in Fourth Horseman. I think you're confused b/c when Mitchell said he was in charge in Beachead it was b/c Sam wasn't there. But after she came back she's the one who negotiated with Gerak and told everyoen what to do. They all just stood around and waited for her instructions. Oops, sorry if you haven't seen any of these yet, jsut read that part. So I disagree, Carter is in charge. THey just haven't said it yet.
Joe, if there were an award for Most Gracious & Creative Acknowledgement of a Blog Typo, I'd stuff the ballot box in your favor.
I hear Edward III is currently running at 5:1 odds. Hope you make a killing off the pool. :-)
Cheers,
Barb.
I've just seen the spoilers for the rest of season 2 on Atlantis and I can't wait to see it. I'm feeling really excited about it now. Role on the back half of season 2.
Well, I've just seen the spoilers for the rest of season 2 as well, and I have to say that I'm really, really dreading it. Every single episode seems to involve one or more members of Sheppard's team acting like complete idiots. We trust the Wraith??? What the hell is that? And the Goa'uld? Do you people have no new ideas? And you're telling me that you do this whole big Grace rip off for Mckay, featuring a hallucinated Carter, and they need Sheppard to come in and save the day?? Ronan "accidentally" kills someone? I am seriously thinking of bailing on this show if the characters have to act this stupid in order for stories to be written. I can't believe that the big finale is based upon the premise that we make a deal with the Wraith, and then let them onto Atlantis. I'm sorry, but I just don't buy that the Atlantis characters are that stupid. It's ridiculous.
Maybe the Atlantis stupidity you are seeing is one of their so-called homages - this one to the stupiditiy that is SG1 these days - hhmmmm -- let's see -- they trust the Wraith and let the Wraith onto Atlantis just like they trust vala and let her run circles in and around the SGC. It is getting a little ridiculous and fairly cheap and waaay too cliched and they are, IMO, no where near the caliber of well-written, respected shows they used to be (at least SG1 is not) before dumbing-down came in vogue for purposes of attracting the lowest common denominator for the ratings.
Binkpmmc
I've just heard the news about Claudia Black joining the main cast of SG-1 and I'm thrilled! Though I'm more of an Atlantis girl these days, the prospect of more Vala definitely gives me something to look forward to!
And on a completely different topic - let me recommend to you Wonderfalls, if you haven't already seen it. Another brilliant TV series that Fox so rudely and prematurely dumped and so worth watching.
hehe, "girls" and "boys" sums up the audience nicely
Please be considerate of your fellow fans and leave the SGA S2 spoilers out of your posts! I don't know how that emedian site got such detailed synopses, but I sure wish they hadn't. I didn't want to be so spoiled, but now everyone is quoting them and ruining it for the rest of us. Anyway, I'm sure not going to assume an epi is good or bad based on a boiled down description.
wraithkiller wrote:
Marissa, are you sure Sam isn't in charge? She was in charge in Ex Deus Machina and Prototype. She led the team in Babylon too, both in the opening and afterwards when they were trying to get the transporter to work. And seemed to be the only one finding a solution to the problem in Fourth Horseman. I think you're confused b/c when Mitchell said he was in charge in Beachead it was b/c Sam wasn't there. But after she came back she's the one who negotiated with Gerak and told everyoen what to do. They all just stood around and waited for her instructions. Oops, sorry if you haven't seen any of these yet, jsut read that part. So I disagree, Carter is in charge. THey just haven't said it yet.
Thanks for clearing that up, wraithkiller. I can't speak for Marissa, but I for one am relieved to read your post. I thought it was weird that someone with no experience would lead the team all by himself. And, to be honest, he really hasn't led anything yet, has he? Hopefully this season will pick up now that Carter is back making sure things work out.
Yeah Joe,
Not to give you a heart attack or anything, but there are WAY more details than even this spoiler whore wanted to see on the web these days. Like, MONDO spoilers. HUGE.
I mean, I'm really looking forward to the eps now (that is, if the spoilers are true), even if there are some "new" developments that I could've sworn you guys said you weren't gonna do...
Beyond that, S2 of Atlantis sounds pretty interesting and action-packed. Very nice.
So, are there gonna be anymore crossovers this year, besides the one, really hyped one?
~DoS
Alias pretty much is going down the crapper (just heard this will be the final season).
As for Lost, you have got to at least find the characer Jin interesting. I mean he doesn't even get to speak English except for an occasional name here or there and his his exclamation of "others" after the raft incident. The lack of English language skills adds to his character immensely. He is becoming more and more interesting as the series moves along (and I don't dislike him anymore!)
I'm so excited for season 10!! It's great that the entire cast has signed, including Claudia Black. And on the anime front Samurai Deeper Kyo is good too.
Hey, Joe,
I'm really glad to hear that everyone signed on the dotted line for season 10. I'm a hopelessly devoted Daniel fan so I was particularly pleased to hear that Michael is coming back--there was a bit of nervousness for awhile that he wouldn't.
I like Claudia as an actress, but I'm just a touch leary of having Vala all the time. Hopefully the writers and CB will be able to pull off Vala slightly toned down but still keep her Vala-ness. I'm looking forward to finding out.
I am really liking season 9 so far--lots of new energy. :)
Thanks for taking the time to communicate with the fans.
Mary
Which movies and TV shows will you rip off for seasons 10 and 3?
Wraith Killer,
I appreciate you're answering my question about who's in charge, but from what I've read the past few days you're wrong. I think they did screw Carter over and she's not in charge anymore. I think they made Mitchell the leader even though he doesn't act like it. I think it sucks pretty bad too, I feel kinda cheated after watching all my DVDs to see Sam not lead after all her work and her amazing career. I'm feeling pretty down about the whole show at the moment, I think this whole online fandom thing has soured me on it. There's tons of people who hate Carter and who want her off of the show completely even. I've had fun watching SG-1 with my daughter (who wants to be just like Sam) but now it seems that we're in the minority. I don't know, I feel pretty foolish at the moment, as if neither the produers nor the fans like or respect Sam Carter like we do. Maybe we're wrong. I don't know.
Marissa Pentino
Well, I can't speak for the producers, but most fans do like Sam Carter/AT. Were you here a few weeks ago when the uproar occurred about Sam? Only a small, yet vocal, minority want her off the show. Why would you feel foolish, anyway? How can you be wrong just because a small set of fans don't like Carter? Do you read these blogs? Do you read the threads? Many questions are being asked about Carter because many many fans want to know what is in store for Sam in season 10.
When you write Cameron next season, please try to stop the one-liners that come out of his mouth. I watched the mini marathon of two weeks ago on the Scifi Channel and there were way too many snappy one-liners coming from him. I want to take him seriously, so write him seriously.
joe, keep the ship alive! mention sam/jack in season 10!
sally :)
"A man who lives, not by what he loves but what he hates, is a sick man." -Archibald Macleish
Marissa,
I share many of your concerns. I am also a Sam Carter fan. It has always puzzled me why there are fans out there who take such perverse pleasure in constantly bashing her character. Unfortunately they are a vocal, and very active, part of the online fandom. Personally, I would not take anything they say seriously. Their comments about Sam Carter (and AT for that matter) reveal more about their own character (or lack thereof) than Sam's. How empty and meaningless is your life when you spend a great portion of your day online expressing your obsessive hatred for a fictional character over, and over, and over again?
Like you, I truly hope TPTB respect and value the Sam character - but I too have my doubts about this. I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and hope they will not disappoint me or any of the many other Sam fans out there. IMO, what TPTB choose do with the character (as well as the other characters) in Season 10 will reveal a lot about their own integrity. It will also be the deciding factor in whether the show will go on past ten seasons or not.
Anyway, whenever he finishes up the premiere, he'll follow up with that other story he pitched which will finally give fans a glimpse at one of the most moderately requested characters in fandom: Mckay's sister Jeanie
Thanks for the heads-up. I suppose Mr Gero will trounce all over the huge McKay/Jeanie (one n who knew?) fan fic I've just written, but there you go. I'm looking forward to seeing how close I got it.
Marissa, there aren't "a ton" of fans who hate Carter, there are just a very few vocal ones in on-line fandom. Being vocal is symptomatic of being a character/actor-basher. A recent proportion are angry Farscape fans whose show was cancelled and came late to SG-1 to follow Black and Browder (both actors I like). They don't want to see Carter because she takes on-screen time away from Black's Vala (the other woman) and Browder's Mitchell (the other leader). It's embarrassing silly stuff which no one, either in the industry or among fans, should pay any attention. There are plenty of fans who like Carter, including some who enjoyed Farscape. Smile and be happy.
IMO, what TPTB choose do with the character (as well as the other characters) in Season 10 will reveal a lot about their own integrity.
Their ingenuity and skill as writers/producers, yes. Their integrity isn't in question (imo).
Kish wrote: Marissa, there aren't "a ton" of fans who hate Carter, there are just a very few vocal ones in on-line fandom. Being vocal is symptomatic of being a character/actor-basher. A recent proportion are angry Farscape fans whose show was cancelled and came late to SG-1 to follow Black and Browder (both actors I like). They don't want to see Carter because she takes on-screen time away from Black's Vala (the other woman) and Browder's Mitchell (the other leader). It's embarrassing silly stuff which no one, either in the industry or among fans, should pay any attention. There are plenty of fans who like Carter, including some who enjoyed Farscape. Smile and be happy. ---
Boy are you out of step with the rest of fandom if you think this is how it really is. I suggest you go and do some research on things before you proclaim yourself some sort of authority on what fans think or why they are saying things.
The issues many of us have with Sam Carter as a character have been there since the latter half of season 4 (which as I recall was way before Claudia and Ben came on the scene). Many of us don't think Sam will 'steal' screen time away from Vala. We worry that she will spend her onscreen time continuing to be the focus of 'holding onto the samnjack ship crap' that has almost ruined the show for many of us and has ruined the once fine character of Sam Carter as well.
Go back and learn some more about what segments of fans have been saying for the past years and stop putting things on the Farscape fans and Ben/Claudia fans who just joined the fandom. That shows a complete lack of understanding anything about Stargate fandom on your part, especially since you are such an 'industry insider' as you claim to be, but have never proven to anyone.
I see it as a question of integrity. Will they do what's best for the show/characters, or will they do what SCIFI tells them to do? Who's really calling the shots these days and how much of what we're seeing is honest story/character development and not just compromises based on SCIFI's "suggestions"?
Kish,
Thanks again to Wraith Killer and to yourself, but I think you can see what I mean. The post right after yours says it all. Maybe I feel foolish because that's how everyone makes me feel when I say that I like Sam. Either way, I'm done with this online stuff and probably done with Stargate too. I don't need this.
Thanks for your kind words.
Marissa Pentino
It's amazing how something like ship...which actually comprises a small amount of Sam's dialogue throughout the years...is somehow so overwhelming in content to some as to essentially overshadow all the things she's done over the years for the team and for earth.
For me, ship is just another aspect of her personality...something that's there and is a part of who she is. It doesn't comprise her total being, but neither does/should her work or any other single aspect of her life.
I hope that since the PTB left the door open for them to have a future together that they don't completely abandon that story arc and make her all about work all the time again. That would be as unbalanced as only showing her do her job now. Why? Because they focused on this part of her and without followthrough, it would make Sam appear more shallow than she is.
I'm convinced that they can show Sam doing her Carter thing on a weekly basis while throwing in little nods to ship every now and then to show that this part of her is alive and well offscreen. Soldier!Sam, Scientist!Sam and Shippy!Sam are not mutually exclusive concepts...they can both exist in the same complex character.
In fact one would think that having a line of dialogue now and then or a scene or 20 with RDA when he does cameos would do nothing but help show who Carter is now that the angst is over with and to prove there really was a point to Grace through Threads.
So here's to LOTS of Kickbutt!Sam and Scientist!Sam with a few scenes/moments/beats of Shippy!Sam for Season 10!
Mary Beth
Marissa:
The very post you refer to is the perfect example of the Carter haters and their rationalization of that hatred. Your reaction and your decision to leave is also what they want - do not let the hatred and anger win out over the rational fans who far outweigh the irrational Carter haters.
Please think about it and do not leave - you should not feel guilty or funny about your opinions or your likes and dislikes of the show or its characters - there is a small, angry, mean group of vocal naysayers with regard to Carter but don't let them ruin it for you - that's what they want.
Terry B
wraithkiller said...
Marissa Pention said:
"My question is why Sam is no longer in charge of SG1?"
Marissa, are you sure Sam isn't in charge? She was in charge in Ex Deus Machina and Prototype. She led the team in Babylon too, both in the opening and afterwards when they were trying to get the transporter to work. And seemed to be the only one finding a solution to the problem in Fourth Horseman. I think you're confused b/c when Mitchell said he was in charge in Beachead it was b/c Sam wasn't there. But after she came back she's the one who negotiated with Gerak and told everyoen what to do. They all just stood around and waited for her instructions. Oops, sorry if you haven't seen any of these yet, jsut read that part. So I disagree, Carter is in charge. THey just haven't said it yet.
When Carter was negotiating with Gerak, SG-1 was aboard Prometheus or down on the planet? I don't remember now and don't want to re-watch the episode to check once again...
Marissa wrote:
Thanks again to Wraith Killer and to yourself, but I think you can see what I mean. The post right after yours says it all. Maybe I feel foolish because that's how everyone makes me feel when I say that I like Sam. Either way, I'm done with this online stuff and probably done with Stargate too. I don't need this.
OK...well. Personally, I think being done with this on-line stuff may be the best. I say this with no disrespect, but most online fans are obsessed with certain characters and vocalize those opinions over and over and over. The regular viewer probably watches Stargate, likes certain characters/doesn't like others and when the show is over, that's it until the next week. Regular veiwers don't spend their spare time on-line shouting for more of their favorite character, don't imagine their favorite character's lives in between shows; don't write fan fiction.
If you like Sam Carter, then like her. Who cares what the rest of online fans say? This isn't a popularily contest; we like who we like. It's only about 1.5% of the viewing audience anyway that spends time online. I swear, some fans post over at OS and go on and on about their hatred for Sam. Then they go over to the Sony forum and repeat their speil. And in broad strokes, the reason for the hatred is because Sam took Jack away from Daniel; Sam destroyed the Jack/Daniel dynamic. Some of them are even so sensitive that they can't watch S1-3 on DVDs now because even just a glance from Jack to Sam takes them out of the story and makes them sick. I ask you....is this "normal?"
Hey, Sam isn't my favorite character at all so I don't talk about her much. But spending so much time talking about a character one apparently hates is odd, IMO. And I really do think that the PTB should have given the shippers a nod, an acknowlegment that Sam/Jack are together. What would it have hurt? I would bet my last dollar that RDA will never come back to the show anyway. They could have done it. So what if those rabid Sam/Jack haters have sworn that if Sam/Jack ever get together, they would never watch the show again. That also cracks me up. If you hate a couple or paring so much, why do you care what happens to them?
I think I enjoyed the show much better myself before I came online. Actually, I think I'll leave as well. But keep enjoying Sam as long as you can because when Vala shows up next year, that's gonna be in IMO. The Daniel and Vala comedy hour will continue.
Maree Ooines
So what if those rabid Sam/Jack haters have sworn that if Sam/Jack ever get together, they would never watch the show again.
LOL
they said the same thing in s6, that if daniel left they'd never watch again....and then proceeded to tear the show to bits for every single one of the s6 eps, using suck knowledge and attention to detail that it was obvious that they were watching.
threatening to turn off the set is an empty threat. unless a person happens to have a Neilson box on top of thier set, it doesn't matter if they tune in or not. the only viewers that matter are the ones who have ratings diaries to fill out or who have a ratings box on their sets. the rest of us don't matter for beans.
for many of the rampant sam haters it boils down to more sam = less daniel, and that's all they care about. and they take their preferences to fanatical and psychologically unstable levels. for the most part, they are a bunch of ladies whose entire life revolves around one fictional character played by one mediocre actor from Kamloops Canada and that is the sole sum of their existence. They have nothing else, which is why it's so very important to them that thier little fantasy life continues.
do what many others do, read, roll your eyes and move on...cause they're not worth much more than that.
Long Time Viewer said...
The issues many of us have with Sam Carter as a character have been there since the latter half of season 4 (which as I recall was way before Claudia and Ben came on the scene). Many of us don't think Sam will 'steal' screen time away from Vala. We worry that she will spend her onscreen time continuing to be the focus of 'holding onto the samnjack ship crap' that has almost ruined the show for many of us and has ruined the once fine character of Sam Carter as well.//
do you realize just how little the sam/jack relationship has been shown on screen/dealt with? the only big thing about it is how long it's been going on. it certainly hasn't ruined other storylines or characters. yes, this is just my opinion, but let's be real.
sally :)
terry b said:
Marissa:
The very post you refer to is the perfect example of the Carter haters and their rationalization of that hatred. Your reaction and your decision to leave is also what they want - do not let the hatred and anger win out over the rational fans who far outweigh the irrational Carter haters.
Please think about it and do not leave - you should not feel guilty or funny about your opinions or your likes and dislikes of the show or its characters - there is a small, angry, mean group of vocal naysayers with regard to Carter but don't let them ruin it for you - that's what they want.
Terry B. //
i agree with terry. don't leave. don't be bullied into what you think, how you think, and how you feel. there's always someone(s) out there that feel/think the same. don't go, marissa.
sally :)
ps - i just heard stargate sg1 music coming from my livingroom... i ran out to see... it made me sad. it'll never be the real sg1 again. :(
Marissa,
I feel sorry for you I really do. So what if the producers haven't written Sam the way you want her to be written in Season 9. AT wasn't available for quite a bit of the season and then rightly wanted to work less hours to look after her baby so they didn't have much choice but to bring in another character. They had already lost RDA and then AT wasn't available much two very major characters in a show.
If you want to spit the dummy and walk away from being a fan then that's your choice but it seems pretty childish, I didn't get what I want so I'm going. It's a tv show for goodness sake, the characters aren't real.
Enjoy the first 8 seasons and don't watch the rest if you don't want to.
Anonymous prat said:
"I feel sorry for you I really do. So what if the producers haven't written Sam the way you want her to be written in Season 9. AT wasn't available for quite a bit of the season and then rightly wanted to work less hours to look after her baby so they didn't have much choice but to bring in another character. They had already lost RDA and then AT wasn't available much two very major characters in a show.
If you want to spit the dummy and walk away from being a fan then that's your choice but it seems pretty childish, I didn't get what I want so I'm going. It's a tv show for goodness sake, the characters aren't real.
Enjoy the first 8 seasons and don't watch the rest if you don't want to."
You know, you're the worst kind of fan. You're an apologist for the the show's faults, you ridicule others when they state how they feel, you present assumptions about decisions being made as facts, and you preface the whole thing with the "shut it and leave" sentiment that's alarmingly common in fandom right now. Weren't you ever taught to say nothing if can't say something kind?
Seems you can't say anything kind either and I wasn't being nasty. I just think it's very childish to say I'm going to leave because I don't like the way my character is being treated by the show and other fans. Get a life.
I'll bet you felt real big when you typed "Get a life", huh? No one's gotta tell anyone you're rude. You'll tell everyone yourself.
Goodness I do not think Marissa is childish and you should actually take the time to read her posts as her reasons for wanting to leave go far beyond her disappointment at how they have screwed over and disrespected the Carter character after 8 years all for the oh so silly reason as TPTB need for a male lead - and someone with no gate or off-world experience too boot (a feeling BTW that many, many fans, not just Carter fans, agree with Marissa on). I do think, however, that what is childish is spending your days, and nights posting hate, anger and vitriol on the forums professing hatred of a character at every turn regardless of what that character may do and wishing her off the show because she takes screen time, and ship time, away from someone else's beloved male character - talk about childish. Sheesh.
What's even funnier is that the lunatic fringe group actually comes here roughly once or twice a day, spout their same rhetoric for a certain character and LURVE for this season, and THEN go over to their little haven and bash Gateworld because it's so BIASED.
It's amazing how low these people will stoop.
And then, despite what the variety of fans have said here, they'll look at these posts and say that the authors are all crazy SAM fans.
Denial can be a funny thing sometimes.
I just hope that TPTB truly believe their own hype, because it's kinda sad that all of these fans - not just Sam/AT fans - are being disregarded and considered irrational...
~ the dancer of spaz
Hey Joe, gotta say you have the patience of a saint to wade thru these blog posts and the questions in your thread. If it were me, I'd be telling those few vocal ones who badger you over and over again with variations on the same question about one particular character, to take a hike or get a life. The world doesn't start and end with that particular character being ... (insert issue of choise). This bunch post so bloody often it's like having spam in your question and answer thread.
D
" I do think, however, that what is childish is spending your days, and nights posting hate, anger and vitriol on the forums professing hatred of a character at every turn regardless of what that character may do and wishing her off the show because she takes screen time, and ship time, away from someone else's beloved male character - talk about childish. Sheesh. "
Funny because no where did I ever say anything negative about Sam or bash her character. I gave reasons for why she wasn't on the show based on interviews and comments I've read on other fan sites they are out there for everyone to read and I had nothing to do with posting them.
I like SG1 can't say I'm a Sam fan but I like the show period. I've been a fan since The Movie and then the series. I have the right to any opinion just like you do. All I said was if you don't like the new season don't watch but you can still enjoy the show there are eight seasons that most fans enjoyed you don't have to give up just because Sam isn't being portrayed the way you like it, or there are others who don't like her character, thats what I think is childish, I don't get my own way so I'm going to run away and give up on a great show kind of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Watch all 8 seasons and be a fan of those you don't have to watch eps you don't want to there's a remote control you know. Can't say I want to watch much past season 7 myself but I enjoy all 7 seasons and I'm still a fan and always will be. Nothing is going to stop me enjoying the eps I do enjoy. But I have a life outside of this fandom unlike you.
LOL! Long Time Viewer's angry post is the eating that proves the pudding. Is it normal to proclaim such angst over television? Or to be so pompous about it? "I suggest you..." and "Go back and learn..." and "crap" this and "ruined" that - it's quite comical. And why would Long Time assume I was talking about him/her? That's something else symptomatic of bashers - they assume a central role to proceedings. I haven't a clue what the prove you're an industry insider stuff means. I'd reason that Long Time has confused my post with someone else's, but having read the rest of the posts I can't see any responder making that claim. Still, it's entertaining.
Getting back to discussing the show instead of the weird fandom...
ÜberSG-1Fan said [of Sam] For me, ship is just another aspect of her personality...something that's there and is a part of who she is. It doesn't comprise her total being, but neither does/should her work or any other single aspect of her life.
I would get quite a kick out of seeing Sam going dark-side on us in the way RepliCarter told us she had potential for: genius and tactician focused on pursuing her goals - she doesn't know how powerful she could be.
//why would Long Time assume I was talking about him/her?//
"Long Time Viewer"'s character/writer/show bashing ego is too big to realise that her position isn't relevant to a comment about a "recent" (duh) proportion of a very few fans. The lunatic fringe out themselves like this because they can't help it.
One fan group is as bad as the other in my experience.
If you don't bow and kiss Queen Sam's feet, you are evil slashers. (shrug)
Vala's bad and evil because she says naughty things sometimes but when Jack says it, shippers squee because he said in front of Sam. And then go on about Jack's "rod" when they were fishing. Please. You double standards are showing.
All the groups have double standards depending on the particular agenda of the people posting. The hypocrisy is stunning.
It is really getting laughable to see people charging into the blog with their self-righteous indignation. Most fans are able to state what they like and dislike about the show without the pettiness of attacking other fan groups apparently not here though.
For all of you knocking the SG1 and the way it is developing, it's rating it's best ever on Sky One in the UK and it's doing so well they are rushing to bring out the Season 10 DVD's starting in February available on Amazon UK. So the changes can't be all that bad can they! Keep up the great work Joe and the rest of the writers and thankyou for 10 years and counting of SG1 and many more years of Atlantis as well.
You know some of the nastiness things I ever read about a character were said about Pete or whatever nickname they were calling him by the shippers.
I think Damian Kindler said that he received hate mail. How kind.
OK, just for balance. :)
Joe,
Please let Sam grow a couple and end her crush on Jack. He is not going to do anything about it and she looks silly for pining over him.
No ship, please.
Yes, please kill the ship. Please
To the poster who just left five messages in a ten seven or so minute span, i'll keep with the trend and say "Get a Life". Loser.
It's a shame that people sent hate mail to anyone regarding any element of a TV show. It is after all A TV SHOW.
It's equally as pathetic as continually bashing Sam or Amanda for fear that her very presence means less lines for Daniel.
Folks! It's an ensemble show! Each will have their moments in the spotlight. Each will have eps dedicated to their individual character arcs.
What's odd is that I sense more of this either/or mentality coming from a specific subsect of fandom who...I guess...is threatened by Amanda's continuing presence on the show. Now granted, there's the odd Sam fan that wants character A ousted or character B muzzled, but that's actually a rarity...and certainly there's no endless rehashing of tired old arguments regarding ship and Sam making Michael leave in season 5 as there seems to be in some forums online. I mean come on campers...get with the program already.
And Queen Sam. That's just adorable. Really.
Mary Beth
P.S. Still pulling for RDA guest visits, SOME tiny ship confirmations, some great Sam eps and some fantastic TEAM eps. You know, the team?!??
P.P.S. Also, I'm hoping for more development in the Teal'c/Sam friendship...I love the vibe between them...
"You know some of the nastiness things I ever read about a character were said about Pete or whatever nickname they were calling him by the shippers."
And poor DDL
"And Queen Sam. That's just adorable. Really"
The Samandans (equally adorable) thought that up. Here Kindness Reigns and all that.
Maybe we should all get lives. Just a thought.
Yes but I'm sure you know that the inference to "Queen Sam" as written above was as a pejorative not as a term of endearment.
Additionally, the Queen of Samanda is Amanda herself, not the fictional character she portrays.
I appreciate Samanda because it's a place that appreciates the actress and the character and not based on boosting her at other people's expenses.
See, both Amanda AND Sam are great on their own merits that it's not necessary to bash another character/actor even if kindness wasn't the policy of the thread.
By the looks of things, that makes Samanda special if not a rarity in fandom.
Just a thought.
Mary Beth
Vala? VALA? Cripes.
Anyway, I love Trigun! Kuroneko Sama is a bobble head in the back window of my car and no one has any clue who is is.
"Please let Sam grow a couple and end her crush on Jack. He is not going to do anything about it and she looks silly for pining over him."
Yeah...it's not like he actually shares the emotions or would ever go so far as to tell her that he had feelings for her.
Oh wait...he has told her he had feelings for her...TWICE. So nevermind I guess, right?
I know painting Sam as a delusional twit who has a "crush" on someone who "doesn't care about her" is a great way to bash her and put her down...too bad the facts don't back up that claim though, hunh?
Yup. Those pesky little facts getting in the way of a good character bashing. How annoying.
MB
Anonymous said:
For all of you knocking the SG1 and the way it is developing, it's rating it's best ever on Sky One in the UK and it's doing so well they are rushing to bring out the Season 10 DVD's starting in February available on Amazon UK. So the changes can't be all that bad can they!
So...because something gets good/high ratings, it must be high quality and well-written? All that says is that a certain portion of TV watchers enjoy certain things (for example, Vala's tightly clad leather clothes, her boobs spilling forth, her witty sexual innuendos, or Daniel's butt, or Teal'c big arms, etc.)
Is that meant to be the Season 9 DVDs, not 10?
Mmm, Teal'c's big arms. Mmm :)
I'd like to see more Sam and Teal'c interaction.
You know what freaking sucks? Seeing time and time again the shippers commenting how they want RDA back for SHIP!! Like seriously, RDA is freaking HUGE and you want him back just for some eye blanking from Carter and MORE UST??? WTF?! *sigh*
PTB, if THAT is what you'd be bringing RDA back for??? Let him spend more time with Wylie cause having him back as Carter's love interest is a disgusting waste of his character!!!
Are you the same "disgusted" who writes frothy letters about traffic planning to our local rag under the name "Disgusted of West Wigton"?
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Will we see our great hero "Thor" again?
G rien compri mais sa a l'air bien quand mème. I like Stargate.