Hey, everyone! This time, I've used the time travel device to jump ahead two years into the future so I can check out how things are going to develop. Production has just wrapped on the eleventh season of SG-1 and everyone is anxiously awaiting word on a twelfth season pick-up. If everything works out, you can be sure that the team and everyone's favorite villainess will be back for another year. Atlantis fans, still reeling from the dramatic events of season four, have started a letter writing campaign the likes of which haven't been seen since the end of season three. And Stargate Command, coming off its maiden season, looks like a slamdunk for a second season pick-up. Looking over the storylines, I can't believe some of the episodes we've done.
Back in the past (your present), we're headed toward December break with a whole whack o' scripts to be written. We're now a good 7-8 episodes into SG-1. Rob is writing the big season premiere that will pick up where Camelot left off, and kick off a major story arc. Episode 2, Morpheus, finds the team going off-world and getting in a mess of trouble. As I mentioned in my previous blog entry, the occasionally bespectacled one takes a trip far, far away in episode 3. Brad will be doing the honors on this one. Very interesting. There was plenty of heated debate in the writers' room while we were breaking this one. Alan will tackle episode 4 which sees an old enemy rearing his ugly heads. Damian was in Friday and today to break his episode, 5, the one about the ill-fated getaway. Episode 6 will be, of course, our 200th episode and we've tossed around some great, albeit insane, ideas on this one. We ended up breaking episode 7 today which either Paul and/or I will write. This one is going to be a lot of fun. Brad said it reminded him of Reckoning, and no wonder. Episode 8 is going to be the Vala story I pitched (which came to me after a carafe of sake last Friday night) and we'll be getting around to breaking that one tomorrow. Ivon was in the room today, recording it all for a possible season 10 special feature.
Speaking of Ivon, I suggested including deleted footage in future special features and he agreed. The good news is, he's already set aside some room for these deleted scenes (with accompanying writer/producer commentaries). The bad news is, they'll be for the season 10 series release and not the season 9 series release as I had hoped (evidently, we're too late). Now, I recall that SciFi used to put deleted scenes on their website so I'd suggest that, if you'd like to see some of the scenes that didn't make the cut in season 9, you drop SciFi a line and let them know.
Speaking of DVD commentaries, now that they've renamed this particular extra (formerly The Director's Commentary), I've agreed to do a few for season 9: Ex Deus Machina, The Ties That Bind, Ripple Effect, and The Scourge. I promise lots of interesting behind-the-scenes goodies on the various episodes.
Still watching new episodes of Lost, Nip/Tuck, The Amazing Race (Go Linz family!), Survivor Guatemala (Go Stephanie!), and Alias (I actually have to force my wife to watch it now). On DVD: almost done the four anime series and have started on the third season of Homicide. A friend at work lent me Three: Extremes and I'm looking forward to this asian horror trilogy. My wife and I are halfway through season 3 of King of the Hill. Love that Bobby Hill.
Help me out, Aussies. There's this sweet shop about five minutes from my house that specializes in imported sweets. I picked up a box of these incredible cookies that I had intended to use for a future ice cream creation, but ended up eating all by their lonesome. The package says Arnott's Kingston. What is the cookie called? When I go into the shop, am I asked for Arnott's or am I asking for Kingstons?
Went by The Comic Shoppe (ye olde) the other day and came across those old hardcover Asterix and Obelix books I used to read back in my elementary school French immersion days. And, yes, they were in the original French. That takes me back. That, Nutella, and The Flintstones. I picked up 15 books and special-ordered the rest of the collection.
Well, that's it for now. I'm headed to late 16th century Japan where Oda Nobunaga is poised to subdue the Saito clan and take control of Mino Province. I have to go pack a lunch.
Executive producer Joseph Mallozzi has been on the SG-1 writing
staff since Season Four. Along with writing partner Paul Mullie, Joe has
written such fan favorite episodes as "Window of Opportunity," "Summit,"
and "Lockdown." Joe lives in Vancouver, British Columbia. 
First you have a great blog.
Ask for Arnott's Kingstons, also get some Tim Tams whilst you're there
Oh um also the brand is arnotts, the biscuit is called a kingston
Oh, werd up on the commentary for Ripple Effect. As far as spoilers go it's looking to become my favourite episode of the season :)
Joe,
I just traveled into the year 2010, and I'm sad to say all three shows (SG-1, SGA, & "Stargate Command") have been cancelled, all thanks to you, Joe.!!! :)
Hey thanks for the update. Season 10 sounds as though it's going to be good, if the titles and general ideas are any indication. (Though rumours of Vala carrying Daniels child are something I'm not to thrilled about :P It just seems to blatantly shippy. Ah well, perhaps there's a way around that.) Keep up the great work. Oh, and a question, how come Space (the canadian chanel Stargate airs on) always starts airing the season late in the season after the first half has already aired on SciFi? Is this a Space thing or a Scifi thing? Anyway, I guess it doesn't really matter, I'm enjoying the 9th season. Oh and if you want, here are some recommendations: Veronica Mars Season 1, MI 5 (aka Spooks), and Medium (I know, I know it's a show about a phsychic, I was skeptical at first but it is really good)
- Sarah
NowIWillDestroyAbydos, it's obvious you're in an alternate timeline. Quick! Watch Ripple Effect and find a way back!
Anyway, thanks for the update Joe! Can't wait until Season 10/3!! :D
PG15
Haha. Your time travel series is great :)
Deleted scenes are good! Just as good as "making of" I really hope you've got some sort of "making of" of the burning vala scene at the beginning of the season for the S9 DVDs. That was SPECTACULAR.
Season 10 sounds great. I know fans are worried about the whole Sam/Vala relationship, but I have faith you that you'll write them as being good friends who compliment each other even though their personalities are so different. If it can be done for Jack and Daniel, then it can be done for two of the best female leads in SF.
Good luck with your ongoing Cantonese and Japanese lessons! Cantonese isn't hard and the amount of anime you watch... you'd probably be the best at Japanese by now!
p.s. looking forward to more icecream recipies!
I'm really not concerned about the relationship shippy elements. The whole arc of the series (both) is more important to me! Season 10 sounds bloody awesome with some of the elements you've talked about.
Oh, and being an Aussie, yep definitely Kingstons, but try another one made by Arnott's: Tim Tams. Australias' fave cookie and arguably our best kept secret! Ssshhh... I didn't tell you that.
Sean
Adelaide, AUS
"Joe,
I just traveled into the year 2010, and I'm sad to say all three shows (SG-1, SGA, & "Stargate Command") have been cancelled, all thanks to you, Joe.!!!"
Why? Did they bump them for my telepathic dog series? If so - YAAAY!
NowIWillDestroyAbydos Said...
Joe,
I just traveled into the year 2010, and I'm sad to say all three shows (SG-1, SGA, & "Stargate Command") have been cancelled, all thanks to you, Joe.!!! :)
Yet if you had just stayed for one more year you would know the Stargate can't stay buried forever.
Oh and Tim Tams and Kingstons are nothing compared to Tiny Teddies!
Okay, we all heard Joe... we need to harass... er... suggest to Sci Fi to put season nine deleted scenes on the season nine DVD set. Hmmm... maybe the I-man (um, Ivon, not a fancy way of saying Iman) could suggest a separate bonus disc to sell (ala The Matrix Revisited) with all sorts of extra deleted scenes, specials, et al. for the Stargate shows.
Hi, Joe! I love your blogs! Season 11 huh? Here's to hope that comes true. Well....may be by then we Daniel and Vala will be married. *wink*
I'm glad you finally got TPTB to add deleted scenes as extras in the DVD, even if they are for Sesaon 10.
Well, I certainly cannot wait for second half of Season 9. When the New Year rolls around, I'll be shouting, "Yay! Second half of Season of SG-1!" :D
;)
Joe - since you are having so much fun time traveling in the puddle jumper, will we be seeing any more time travel episodes in Season 10 or Season 3?
I know the whole time-space continuum, alternate universes thing can be a headache from a science perspective, but as you have shown in your blog (and in some of the best eps of SG1 and SGA)- time travel can be highly entertaining.
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Can I second the anonymous poster above???
I'm a huge fans of time travel, alternate reality type stories...especially if it means I'll get to see Janet again for any length of time or Teal'c with an EEEVIL pony tail or goatee again.
I'm just sayin... ;)
Mary Beth
NowIWillDestroyAbydos Said...
Joe,
I just traveled into the year 2010, and I'm sad to say all three shows (SG-1, SGA, & "Stargate Command") have been cancelled, all thanks to you, Joe.!!! :),
Hilarious, Destroyer. Best one I've heard in quite some time. Thanks for the belly laugh.
Although I suspect poor Joe's strings, as well as those of the other writers, are pretty much being controlled by Skiffy.
FutureWoman
Do you really think teh franchise can handle three shows on the air at once? I think you guys are having difficulties with 40 episodes/year, but 60? Now, don't get me wrong, I would love to have tha many episodes of Stargate to look foward to each year. I just wonder if you could keep the quality up.
Uber said: Can I second the anonymous poster above???
I'm a huge fans of time travel, alternate reality type stories...especially if it means I'll get to see Janet again for any length of time or Teal'c with an EEEVIL pony tail or goatee again.
Me too. I'd like to travel back in time to that alternate reality where a writer who has the initials J.M. said that Jack O'Neill would have a strong presence in S9 even though he wasn't there physically.
Yes, yes...I know...the season is but young and just because no one has mentioned him, doesn't mean they aren't thinking about him? If a thought isn't verbalized, does anyone know we are thinking it? Apparently Joe does.
**Anonymous said...
Do you really think teh franchise can handle three shows on the air at once? I think you guys are having difficulties with 40 episodes/year, but 60? Now, don't get me wrong, I would love to have tha many episodes of Stargate to look foward to each year. I just wonder if you could keep the quality up.**
Hell, yes, Now that the overpaid RDA is gone, now that they don't have to put up with his difficult schedule, shoot things out of sequence, have the other castmembers work so hard, they could do 4 shows if they had to. The quality would not suffer because so much of the past problems were due to RDA.
*Said with tongue firmly in cheek.* But RDA does seem to be the one the PTB want to blame for all past problems.
JMallozzi said...
"Joe,
I just traveled into the year 2010, and I'm sad to say all three shows (SG-1, SGA, & "Stargate Command") have been cancelled, all thanks to you, Joe.!!!"
Why? Did they bump them for my telepathic dog series? If so - YAAAY!
You know, I wish you would introduce your telepathic dog as a series regular on SG-1 next year. He could help Vala find her little sprog. I sense some deep, dramatic possibilities there...
Enjoy reading your blogs Joe! Cool to hear you'll be doing commentaries next year too, looking forward to them.
Yay on Asterix!! (Proud French here! :p) I hope you enjoy your reading, and I can send a load of Nutella to you whenever you want!!
the day before my bday...you should go to 1593 Korea sometime.
Oh come on! *girds self for battle* NOTHING can beat Hokey Pokey Squiggle Tops!! *cough* oh, and yes, Arnott's is a brand name, the other is the biscuit name - altho I have to confess I haven't heard of them.... must be some crazy Aussie invention :-p
Season 10 DVD's?!~ Heck, I'm still working out which version of season 8 to buy! (a friend tells me they just bought the US s8 disks and it included the longer version of Threads, something to be thankful for, now if only they could dig up the commentary....).
I'm definitely looking forward to seeing s10 develop!
kingstons are yummy bickies and yes kiwigater is right, Arnotts are the brand name so ask for Arnotts Kingstons. ok love the blog cause we are all pretty much nosey buggers and like to know whats up. If you get a chance and if you haven't seen it you should watch A Tale of Two Sisters, it is fab. Not scary just really plays with the mind a bit, better than The Ring (the origional asian version, which is scarer than hollywood could do). ok catch ya later ;-)
Arnott's has another cookie brand that's to die for. Tim Tam's!!! They should be good for ice creal as well!
Arnott's is the name of the company, and Kingstons is the name of the biscuit. Mmm... *drifts into cookie ecstasy*
Might have to add Kingston to the list to bring to Van BC.. along with Tim Tams.. Are you going to the Creation Con?
Ok so this has been said a couple of times already but another Aussie will throw it into the mix, yes they are called Kingstons and they are the 2nd best biscuits in Australia, Tim Tams being the first!!!
Thanks for the news on the upcoming episodes, I can't wait to see the ends of seasons 9 and 2 and of course seasons 10 and 3!!!!!
Thanks for finally convincing TPTB to put deleted scenes on the DVD box sets even if we have to wait till season 10. Now if we could just have some blooper reels they would truely be complete!!!
Keep up the good work, can't wait till January for new episodes!!!
Hugs
Erin
hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm our plan to take over the galaxy via cookie infiltration is coming to fruition...you can not resist the power of an Australian cookie....but I do have to say - we call em biscuits here and biscuits are scones....
Your blog is one of the funniest thing I've ever read (with the zero.point.snark SGA reviews ! :p)
Thanks for that !
I second anakin's post : Yay on Asterix ! (another proud French girl here !) And whenever you want Nutella, let us know ! We can send some to you !
I'm insanely excited about the back half of each season of both shows.
Each "To Be Continued" left me cursing out loud.
Only a few more weeks to go, and Sky One picks up where Sci-Fi finished!
Score 1 for the UK :D
*waves* another frenchie here!! :) yay for Asterix and Nutella! ;)
you're freaking funny! thanks for taking the time to make us smile :)
looking forward the Dvd commentaries! and if you want to practice your french stop by our little invicible village on the "parlez-vous français" thread whenever you want ;)
*sigh* Now you all decide to put in deleted scenes? *sigh*
I'm sad that seasons 1-8 won't be included anywhere - not even in its own disk (which, by the way, you could make tons of money off of).
Mary
Tok'Ra Hostess says:
Ah, Asterix, Obelix, Assurancetourisk and Idefix - there's an SG team for ya!
I think Obelix would be the Daniel of the lot, don't you? He's such a people person.
"Ils sont fous, ces Aliens!" :D
Oh, and if it would save seasons 11 and 12, you could always give Idefix telepathic abilities.:D
telepathy is so over-rated, it could not save SG1.
What would save SG1 is a kind of gain magnet which binds all the members together and they actually have to follow eachother and stuff, kinda like with Daniel and Vala at the begining... it brings them all together :)
Camy here...
Mr. Mallozzi...SG-1 is all good and everything...but I need more info. on Atlantis......next posting please....
Thanks....
Maybe for the 200th episode, you should bring back Martin wanting to join his friends because Wormhole X-treme got cancelled.
the occasionally bespectacled one takes a trip far, far away...
I knew it. He's a closet Sith.
Alan will tackle episode 4 which sees an old enemy rearing his ugly heads.
Heads plural? ::thinks:: Zaphod Beeblebrox!
Did they bump them for my telepathic dog series? If so - YAAAY!
I nipped forward to check your series out. Way superior to "A Boy and His Dog"'s bleak dystopia. And you're making a mint from that Chocolick Dog Treats sponsorship.
Joe,
Quick question since you brought up the commentaries, do we know if the DVD's that will be soon released in the Uk will have the commentaries on them?? Just don't want to have what happend last year happen again, when no commentaries where on them?
Is there anyway to check before anyone starts preordering and gets copies of the DVDs without commentaries!
And any ideas on who else might have gone in the studio and did commentaries? And are these questions that maybe Ivon should answer?
Two questions...
Two Hundredthe EP = RDA ?
Did RDA leave partly because of HDTV filming? Wrinkles et al?
Looking forward to Season 23.
Awwww - I adore Asterix and Obelix. I get them in English (though I have read the Latin versions) and had to special order ones I was missing from some random place in India....just random thoughts.
Thanks for the update on season 10, Joe. I'm looking forward to it.
Beth
Joe, seen the shipper thread lately? even some of the most stringent antis are saying that just dropping it as you've done is sooooo wrong. Wake up and get your head out of your ass, finish the ship.
Hi Joe,
Asterix and Obelix rock ! May I suggest you date your next blog entry from 52BC ? Back to the good old days where a little village resisted to the armies of Julius Caesar. :)I'm sure you'd find plenty of Nutella in the magic potion recipe kept by Panoramix.
In case you were wondering, I'm another proud French girl from the "Parlez-vous français ?" thread.
Dominique (Lys)
Joe for the 200th episode, I agree that Jack O'Neill should come back, but I don't agree that he needs to be played by Anderson. He gave up on playing the character right long before he ever left the show.
If Jack is necessary for the 200th episode, would TPTB please consider recasting the role with a different actor? An actor who wants to work and make the character great again.
Joe for the 200th episode, I agree that Jack O'Neill should come back, but I don't agree that he needs to be played by Anderson. He gave up on playing the character right long before he ever left the show.
If Jack is necessary for the 200th episode, would TPTB please consider recasting the role with a different actor? An actor who wants to work and make the character great again.
Anonymous said...
Joe,
Quick question since you brought up the commentaries, do we know if the DVD's that will be soon released in the Uk will have the commentaries on them?? Just don't want to have what happend last year happen again, when no commentaries where on them?
Is there anyway to check before anyone starts preordering and gets copies of the DVDs without commentaries!
And any ideas on who else might have gone in the studio and did commentaries? And are these questions that maybe Ivon should answer?
I asked Ivon about commentaries some time ago and he said he isn't the right person to be asked about it and that he would pass my suggestions to somebody else who is responsible for it.
Sorry "need anderson to have jack back/don't need anderson to have jack back," but we definitely WOULD need RDA back to play Jack.
Soap operas evidently are the only ones allowed to do that kind of hinky business, and even then I cringe.
Bring him back, Joe! And if he's only gonna be in the ep for three minutes, make it three minutes EARLY on in the ep and with Teal'c, Sam AND Daniel, k? :D
~the dancer of spaz
Don't need Anderson to Have Jack Back said...
Joe for the 200th episode, I agree that Jack O'Neill should come back, but I don't agree that he needs to be played by Anderson. He gave up on playing the character right long before he ever left the show.
If Jack is necessary for the 200th episode, would TPTB please consider recasting the role with a different actor? An actor who wants to work and make the character great again.
Are you insane? You can't do that.
Don't need Anderson to Have Jack Back said...
Joe for the 200th episode, I agree that Jack O'Neill should come back, but I don't agree that he needs to be played by Anderson. He gave up on playing the character right long before he ever left the show.
If Jack is necessary for the 200th episode, would TPTB please consider recasting the role with a different actor? An actor who wants to work and make the character great again.
God help the poor sod who accepts that role.
Anakin a dit...
Yay on Asterix!! (Proud French here! :p) I hope you enjoy your reading, and I can send a load of Nutella to you whenever you want!!
Proud french myself, and a huge fan of the old Asterix and Obelix stories - not the last one 2005 though... but is Asterix really french ? I mean the writer is Belgian isn't he ?
Ep 200, I hope, will be a "reunion" ep with as many old and new friends as possible on the guest list...even if you have to use clips.
Either that, or a massive "Get in the Gate" contest with 200 fans chosen to be extras or references to 200 fan names.
Hey, it's sci fi...anything can happen!
Grins, Gilder
Jack, Jack, Jack. *reaches for aspirin*
Stick a fork in him - he's DONE and GONE. Let's get on with the new episodes and characters, and if you don't like, don't watch!
PS: Love the blog Joe. :0)
anonymous said:
God help the poor sod who accepts that role.
Poor Ben Browder already did accept that role, and look at how well it's been working out for him. No one is helping him out, from the writers to the rest of the cast. RDA'a Jack O'neill really is irreplaceable, and now it seems the Ben will have a black mark on his acting career for trying to do just that.
Hi Joe,
Kingston's should come with a warning on them - "Warning - highly addictive!!" Definitely not a packet of biscuits you should open when highly stressed - eg studying for exams! (or maybe a deadline on a story?)
If you can get your hands on the Tim Tams with a touch of chilli, you may be pleasantly surprised.
If you've seen the movie "Chocolat" you may recall that the owner of the chocolate shop sprinkled chilli on the top of the hot chocolate to enhance the flavour. I was dubious when I first saw these new Tim Tams on the shelf, but let me tell you, it sure works!
Enjoy.
p.s. Maybe SG1 being addicted to Tim Tams could work for the 200th episode - what do you think?
just to say it (because it can't be said enough), the only one to play Jack is RDA. And yes, he gave up on playing O'Neill serously a long time ago, but it was only after that, that the character became great. some things can't be played serious. Or, as RDA said L.T.S.
Tim Tams are great in icecream too. Arnotts already make Tim Tam icecream here and it's to die for.
Joe you need to try TIM TAMS!! Just ask Torri or Rainbow, they know!
And Arnott's is the brand and Kingstons are the type of biscuits. So u ask for Kingstons :P
Arnott's makes Tim Tams too!!
*brainwashes* You WILL buy Tim Tams
Um, what about your upcoming and in the works Atlantis episodes. Any spoilers for season three? Any episodes for Weir? Teyla? Carson? A fresh chance for development is at your fingertips. Please keep that in mind when doing your fab writing!
Hi!
Never been to Australia, but I've heard great things about those Tim Tams before.
Hey, Joe, how about some more backstory and character development for Shep? I looovvve him. He's such a great character. Please, flesh him out a little more--okay, mind out of the gutter please. :-) Or not. I really want to learn more about Shep and see him featured in more stories, maybe saving the day without Rodney a few times. John's got brains too! His figuring out the calculations in The Brotherhood was one of my fave scenes.
Epiphany was good, though the ending was so predictable. You ought to let Joe Flanigan pen a show or two because his idea was really stellar.
Joe, you're killing me! I always get a good laugh when I read your blog. However, you do give lots of interesting information about Stargate too. So I guess I would call you well rounded (not a fat joke). I also read your "Ask" thread and LMAO too. You are just a funny guy at heart. Thanks for continuing to throw us fans a bone here on GW and for putting up with all the garb! You're a stud.
I am sorry that you have to force your wife to watch Alias. I like the suspense and the shipping and the characters...or...maybe I just like the fact that a girl can kick major butt, lol. Maybe she can look at it from a different perspective and start enjoying it again. The stories make me mad too but I'm hooked.
Love all the insider info and seeing what goes on in your head.
Now that I know that you love Vala I will ner speak ill of her again. I do adore Claud and I think the Vala character is wonderful, I am just having a difficult time placing her on SG1. But the writing for her is great. One request, please keep her away from Mitchell! LOL I don't want to see him corrupted...YIKES, that would be bad! But of course you all do such a great job of writing that I am ashamed to have ever made suggestions to you. I am a professional FAN not a writer....so keep up the good work. Love you still, Purple
Oh, and I will always tell you I love Mitchell, Ford and Lorne for what it's worth. Thanks for them!
Anonymous said...
Jack, Jack, Jack. *reaches for aspirin*
Stick a fork in him - he's DONE and GONE. Let's get on with the new episodes and characters, and if you don't like, don't watch!
PS: Love the blog Joe. :0)
Hey follow your own advice...If you don't like people asking about Jack, saying they miss him, saying they want him back for the 200th episode...if you don't like it, don't read the blogs, Toots.
Arnotts make some of the best biscuits ever!
Your to try list should include
- tim tams
- tiny teddies
- tim tam dark chocolate
- choc ripples
- tim tam caramel
- royals
- tim tam!
See a pattern.
Also i do hope that you have tried Jaffa's and Freddos.....
Cant wait for the rest of season 9, and all of 10.
Meags
QLD, Aus
Joe,
You're a hoot. I may not always agree with you, but I look forward to reading your stuff anyway. Thanks for the peek at some of the WIP's. I'd love to hear some more about Atlantis.
Lisa
PS-I'm having ice cream withdrawal. Hint hint.
If one more person in my office asks me where Jack is or why Sam isn't with him I'm going lose it. Lose it. It means go crazy. Nuts. Insane. Bonzo. No longer in possession of one's faculties, three fries short of a happy meal.....WACKO!
Rachel Woodson
Joe,
You time-traveling deity of Stargate, you. You can't be serious about an upcoming 12th season, not that we'd enjoy a 12th season, but that's two years away! Congrats on breaking the X-Files record and the upcoming 200th episode 9 months in advance. 250 episodes would be the 16th episode of season 12, FYI. Hope the subduction is successful next week!
Can you comment on the video game Stargate SG-1 : The Alliance?
Wow, Joe. Only 68 comments so far. You're getting boring. ;) Where is the scoop on S10 & S3?
Hi Joe:
I really love your blogs, it's such a great thing for you to do for the fans! I love reading the little "teasers" for upcoming episodes that get us interested, but don't "spoil" it for us. I look forward to all your blogs with insider info. I hear you're going to be doing some commentaries on Season 9 episodes. I think that's great! Look forward to them, and a nice break from the "potty" humor of so many of the Season 8 commentaries.
Your blogs are also a nice way to get a look into a slice of your "real" life as opposed to your Stargate life. Don't know how you actually have time for a real life, but whatever it takes, it's worth it.
Really love the show this year, such a new energy and enthusiasm, all the actors, oid and new, are doing a wonderful job, and I couldn't be more pleased. Really excited about the upcoming second half of Season 9 and just thrilled about Season 10.
I know you have no say in the DVD extras, but if you ever get a chance to make a suggestion to the studios, how about an "extras" disc? So many of the DVD sets I get nowadays have them. The "Lost" one was fantastic! The studios could also make a big profit on a DVD set put out with just deleted scenes, bloopers, interviews, etc. There's not too many fans that wouldn't buy that one. Just a thought.
Anyway, keep up the great work, hope you'll be at the con in Vancouver. Would love to thank you for all the enjoyment you've given me over the years.
Haven't read all the messages, so I'm sure I'm repeating something the other Aussies have mentioned.
Arnotts is the brand, Kingston is the variety (and a very nice variety it is, too!)
You need to try Tim Tams though. Not the caramel, double choc etc varieties. The original!!! Ask Torri what they're like! She had a packet sitting next to her during autograph signings in Melbourne.
Also, if you can get your hands on Australian chocolate, Violet Crumbles could make good icecream.. There's a company here that makes it (calls it "Violent Rumble") It's basically honeycomb covered in chocolate, but hard honeycomb, not soft....
Check out this website for some really cool icecream flavours:
www.trampolinehq.com.au
Caramelised pear... my personal favourite!
imagine rooting for your favorite team for years. imagine wanting nothing but to see them win the pennant and win the world series. imagine *finally* seeing them in the pennant race, and then seeing them *very* close to winning and... and then the game is blacked out. did they win the pennant? did they make it to the world series? no one will tell you.
image following a relationship for years. imagine waiting for them to get past the 'will they/won't they' to the 'they are/they did'. imagine waiting for years for the payoff. they got rid of their excess baggage, they went fishing, they.... what?
finish the story.
please.
sally :)
Dear Mr Malozzi,
I have been reading your blog for a while and love it. I am amazed at how muuch ice cream you make!
The Aussie biscuits are called "Kingston" the manufacturer is Arnott's , once a proudly Australian owned company, now just part of a multinational.
May I suggest that you try sourcing another great Arnott's biscuit and an Aussie icon called the "Tim Tam" it's a chocolate delight.
I worked with a nurse from Canada who had to take home a small carry bag full every time she went for a home visit as her Canadian relatives had become addicted.
Kind Regards,
Bernadette
Joe,
With the 200th ep have you considered what audience you are trying to reach ( i know I tend to overthink things... ) as if you are going for the die hard fans the bringing a well loved character for a final fling is not a silly idea , however if you are loking to increase market share by promoting off the back of the longevity of the sow then going in entirely a different vein maybe an idea. It comes down to what you are trying to acheive.
Warmest regards
those episode sound great, cant wait to watch them, as always SG1 is superb, thanks to its actors and writers
bring on season 20 in like 10-12 years time :)
Matt -
no...no no no! see i can't be watching a series for more than 10 years! what would the neighbors say?! man...here i was hoping that it would be over with season 10, i could move my merry little way over to atlantis full time and NOT have to buy two dvd sets a year.
Okay..i'm just joking. But i swear if there's an uber super duper platiunum encased gold pressed stargate sg-1 complete series boxset after the show ends *whenever that will be* i'll be cranky. darn. right. cranky. Because I'm sure the husband won't let me rebuy all of stargate...nope...probably not. okay maybe he will.
Acaccia huh...i'll look into that movie. Haven't had time to watch many movies in a while. I've been watching XENA!
oh yeah....
Cote d'Or Bouchees...they're like the best chocolate-y thing ever...
I realize I missed several of your first blogs and maybe you've already answered this question. But, please allow me to ask again.
Joe, why do you write this blog? Is it part of your job? Do you write it because you love to entertain the fans (or maybe yourself)? Is it something you really want to do?
I'm asking out of pure curiosity, not to start anything. I would sincerely like to know.
REally J, Sam should be in command. Logic usually helps when writing.
Logic left town with RDA. Deal with it, this is the new SG-1. Get on board or get out of the damn way. I'm sick of you people always trashing the show just because it's different now. Jack's toast. Mitchell's the new hottness and he's way way better than O'niel ever was. Sam doesn't get command, she needs to get a shrink. TPTB finally bought a clue and figured out that nobody wants an over the hill mother on as the headliner for their show. Good for them. It's a business and they're finally treating it like one, that's why all the press this year, critical acclaim, etcetera. Family is a nice concept, but SG-1 is about ratings too so deal with the changes or get lost. I'm loving this season so far Joe and I can't wait to see Claudia back next year. GO VALA!!!
Anoynmous wrote:
Logic left town with RDA. Deal with it, this is the new SG-1. Get on board or get out of the damn way. I'm sick of you people always trashing the show just because it's different now. Jack's toast. Mitchell's the new hottness and he's way way better than O'niel ever was. Sam doesn't get command, she needs to get a shrink. TPTB finally bought a clue and figured out that nobody wants an over the hill mother on as the headliner for their show. Good for them. It's a business and they're finally treating it like one, that's why all the press this year, critical acclaim, etcetera. Family is a nice concept, but SG-1 is about ratings too so deal with the changes or get lost. I'm loving this season so far Joe and I can't wait to see Claudia back next year. GO VALA!!!
Yup, you are exactly the demographic that PTB are looking for; someone who think a 39 year old woman is an over the hill mother. Rock on, dude. (or dudette).
Logic left town with RDA. Deal with it
Ah, so you prefer to watch shows where you don't need to use that decaying grey mush that you have in your head. Perhaps Season 10, TPTB will reduce all the dialouge to mono-syllable words for you so you can keep up with it.
"Me Daniel"
"Me Vala"
"Me like Vala boobs"
And then the appropriate drooling.
Oh, and you seem to have a problem with 'over the hill' mothers... Looks like Claudia Black is gone then as well :rolleyes: I guess you're one of those 'Women should stay back in the kitchen' kinda people. Wake up and smell the coffee asshat.
Anonymous Schmuck said:
Logic left town with RDA. Deal with it, this is the new SG-1. Get on board or get out of the damn way. I'm sick of you people always trashing the show just because it's different now. Jack's toast. Mitchell's the new hottness and he's way way better than O'niel ever was. Sam doesn't get command, she needs to get a shrink. TPTB finally bought a clue and figured out that nobody wants an over the hill mother on as the headliner for their show. Good for them. It's a business and they're finally treating it like one, that's why all the press this year, critical acclaim, etcetera. Family is a nice concept, but SG-1 is about ratings too so deal with the changes or get lost. I'm loving this season so far Joe and I can't wait to see Claudia back next year. GO VALA!!!
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I feel like a tool. At first I thought that this was one of those clever parodies - ya know, the kinda where you realize towards the end that the person really IS quite intelligent and sane?
Well, I got to the end, and was very, very... disappointed. Not surprised. But disappointed.
But Schmucko had a good point: LOGIC did seem to leave town with RDA, whether it was by necessity or sheer coincidence.
But I have faith that LOGIC can find itself a bus ticket back home, with the help of T, P, T and B. I'm kinda missing it!
Joe, just saw the promo(?) pics for Off The Grid, Ethon and Collateral Damage, and they look great. The team looks absolutely awesome. :D
~ the dancer of spaz
"Logic left town with RDA. Deal with it, this is the new SG-1. Get on board or get out of the damn way. I'm sick of you people always trashing the show just because it's different now. Jack's toast. Mitchell's the new hottness and he's way way better than O'niel ever was. Sam doesn't get command, she needs to get a shrink. TPTB finally bought a clue and figured out that nobody wants an over the hill mother on as the headliner for their show. Good for them. It's a business and they're finally treating it like one, that's why all the press this year, critical acclaim, etcetera. Family is a nice concept, but SG-1 is about ratings too so deal with the changes or get lost. I'm loving this season so far Joe and I can't wait to see Claudia back next year. GO VALA!!!"
Ditto. May the second original SG-1 reign forever!
I'm sick of you people always trashing the show
Where's the trashing? Must have missed it.
Jack's toast
Oh, poor Jack. Who stuck him in a toaster? I want words with them.
Mitchell's the new hottness and he's way way better than O'niel [sic] ever was
Mitchell's hot. Check. Browder has legs that look verrry nice in leather. I bet Jack has more... um... experience to date ;)
nobody wants an over the hill mother on as the headliner for their show
Eeeuuw, nasty. And Claudia Black heading there too. I'm sure CB and AT would be rolling their eyes... if they were remotely interested in this puerile actress-bashing; which I doubt.
It's a business and they're finally treating it like one
Don't know how the show survived all these years until now.
Majorsal, do you have any pride or dignity left at all? Joe got your message the first 500 times. You're either going to get what you want or you're not. Begging over and over ain't going to change it; it's becoming pitiful. As Jack said, "the whining's starting to grate."
Since there appears to be some rational people here after all, I invite you to come discuss SG-1 over at OurStargate forum. It sure beats all trashing the show all the time here. No one will mock you for your feelings of joy over the return of decent characters and stories in SG-1 and you can express your opinions without reservation. See ya there.
Joe,
Looking forward to the second half of season 9 and season 10. The pictures from the new episodes look great!
Anonymous in the post above said: "Since there appears to be some rational people here after all, I invite you to come discuss SG-1 over at OurStargate forum. It sure beats all trashing the show all the time here. No one will mock you for your feelings of joy over the return of decent characters and stories in SG-1 and you can express your opinions without reservation. See ya there."
Disclaimer: Anyone who doesn't worship Daniel need not apply. In addition, Jonas fans, Sam fans, J/S shippers, and fans of the team who actually think Stargate is an ensemble show that doesn't revolve around Daniel all the time might take offense at some content on this forum. Viewer discretion is advised.
Sincerely,
A rational person who doesn't trash the show or any of the characters (unlike many of the members at the above mentioned forum).
Anonymous said "Logic left town with RDA...blah blah wah wah rantycakes."
Get over yourself. You're so mired in your own hatred and ignorance that you can only spew venom. No wonder you have a problem with logic.
Seek some psychiatric help and take all those lockstepping, Vala obsessed, Sam haters over on the Sony forum with you. Maybe you can get a group discount.
*Seek some psychiatric help and take all those lockstepping, Vala obsessed, Sam haters over on the Sony forum with you. Maybe you can get a group discount.*
The person you responded to is mired in hate you say?
I say you need to do two things here baby.
1. Take a look in the mirror and see your own hatred showing plain as can be.
2. Take your own advice about seeking mental help. Anyone who can spew that much venom about people just because they like a different character or say things about your favorite FICTIONAL character, needs help more than they do.
*Since there appears to be some rational people here after all, I invite you to come discuss SG-1 over at OurStargate forum. It sure beats all trashing the show all the time here. No one will mock you for your feelings of joy over the return of decent characters and stories in SG-1 and you can express your opinions without reservation. See ya there.*
What alternate universe of this forum have you been visiting? I'd like to visit it too because it sounds like a great place.
Unfortunately the only version of the OS I have found is a place filled with hatred towards anyone who doesn't bow down to the site owner's point of view, doesn't think the writers of the show are worthless or think Sam Carter is the bane of all SG1 existence.
In my book, trashing the writers of the show is the same as trashing the show.
So can you point out what chevons it takes to dial to this alternate universe Ourstargate forum you've been visiting?
So can you point out what chevons it takes to dial to this alternate universe Ourstargate forum you've been visiting?
I think the full 9 would be required, to arrive at a different galaxy and millenium. The best part of lurking at Ourstargate is watching for the next time the owner lashes out at some unsuspecting new poster who dares counter the rampant conspiracy theories, seeing how much the owner's partner can break forum rules without getting modded, and counting how many threads the same anti-Carter vitriol can be posted without being labeled off-topic.
Daniel is my favourite, but that forum does not represent me.
Anonymous said...
Majorsal, do you have any pride or dignity left at all? Joe got your message the first 500 times. You're either going to get what you want or you're not. Begging over and over ain't going to change it; it's becoming pitiful. As Jack said, "the whining's starting to grate."//
i don't care. i have every right to talk about what i'm interested in. if you don't like reading my stuff (or whining), just skip all my posts.
sally :)
Never left a post to this before, but I had to comment on the Arnott's Kingston (biscuits, NOT cookies). You ask for 'Kingston', they're made my Arnotts. They are definitely a favourite of mine. Yum!
-Emerald Green
Anonymous said...
Since there appears to be some rational people here after all, I invite you to come discuss SG-1 over at OurStargate forum. It sure beats all trashing the show all the time here. No one will mock you for your feelings of joy over the return of decent characters and stories in SG-1 and you can express your opinions without reservation. See ya there.//
OS person; weren't you, apparently, treated poorly when you're fave character/actor left the show in season 6? so now that the shoe is on the other foot and you're enjoying this NEW and IMPROVED stargate sg-1, you have absolutely no empathy for the ppl going through what you went through? you're enjoying the show so much right now because it has everything *you* want (so what's there to complain about?).
it isn't only sam/amanda fans complaining. it's not only jack/rda fans complaining. it's not only s/j shippers complaining. it's a wide variety of fans complaining about a wide variety of things, which happen to include sc/at, jo/rda, and s/j ship fans.
haven't we all been teased a time or two as children? i know i have, but i never wanted to turn it around and become the abuser.
sally :)
Joe,
What's up with no Sam/Jack?? Everyone's acting like Jack never existed, but for frak's sake Sam's in love with the guy. You'd think she'd at least remember he's alive. You really need to finish off this storyline now that RDA is no longer on the show.
Who are you holding out for? The DannyRanters?
Hell, they're convinced that you've all been magically replaced by little elves who write according to their agenda and who think MS is God on Earth. They're convinced that you're entire tenure on Stargate up to this point has been complete crap, so why pander to them now? All that will get you is 15 happy nutters and one pissed off fanbase, which incidentally is exactly what things look like around here anymore. Wake up and get back to writing the show that people have been tuning in for 8 years to see.
think the full 9 would be required, to arrive at a different galaxy and millenium. The best part of lurking at Ourstargate is watching for the next time the owner lashes out at some unsuspecting new poster who dares counter the rampant conspiracy theories, seeing how much the owner's partner can break forum rules without getting modded, and counting how many threads the same anti-Carter vitriol can be posted without being labeled off-topic.
Daniel is my favourite, but that forum does not represent me.
LOL. Heck, she doesn't lash out a unsuspecting new posters anymore, because their policy doesn't allow for new posters until they've been screened and the owner knows they have the right way of thinking. If you are a new poster and not a member of the Daniel loving-Sam-hating club, your post won't even see the light of day. There is no diversity of opinion at all allowed except for such important things like whether Daniel looks better in a beard or without a beard.
OS used to be a Daniel centric forum; now the vast majority of posters spend their time trashing Carter and saying how much they want her gone at every turn. And I gotta say that Jack telling Carter that she was a national treasure just drives the Danny ranters nuts; it just really gets them steamed up. I must admit that I love the conspiracy theories that abound there, though; conspiracies against Daniel, against OS; everyone is against them. It's a hoot.
*Since there appears to be some rational people here after all, I invite you to come discuss SG-1 over at OurStargate forum. It sure beats all trashing the show all the time here. No one will mock you for your feelings of joy over the return of decent characters and stories in SG-1 and you can express your opinions without reservation. See ya there.**
I would, but as the previous poster said, I tried to express my opinion on an issue (an opinion which was different than the prevailing majority opinion) and the mods wouldn't even let my post through. Kind of hard to engage in rational discussion when any thought that doesn't follow the sentiments of the "PTB" isn't allow, wouldn't you say?
I got the same negative attention over at OS when I tried to visit there some time ago - gave up on them just as I gave up on Sony - talk about mean-spirited, hate mongering vitriol. God forbid you have an opinion that even slightly digresses from theirs - you are toast. It's a good thing they have their own playground to play in because sadly, they do not play well with anyone that is not a member of the tiny land of Danny lovers. I can't wait for them to turn on Vala when she stops making Daniel her favorite schlump and her screen time is split between ALL of the other cast members - the blood-curdling will be interesting to watch. And just wait until they hook Cam and Vala up - their act will be better to watch than the show.
Ooops - unlike the Danny ranters I am not afraid to identify myself - and I forgot to put my name in.
Jake Yomans
It's not hatred to encourage obsessed, ranting fangirls to seek psychiatric help, it's pity.
I just traveled into the year 2010
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.. and its great to see SG1 and SGA are going from strength to strength, with 3 more spinoffs added to the franchise, all breaking viewing records. Gotta say I'm not too sure about the mooted "SG1 The Musical", and "SG1 Psychic K9s" ideas I've been reading about on the undercasts network - those spoiler groups are usually pretty good at getting the lowdown, but these sound like a bit of a stretch to me.
I'm watching the shows these days on my mini-mobile Nokia-Sony-Ericsson PSPXBox cellphone (they are available now after the dust settled on the big merger that rocked the tech world), and I'm enjoying the built-in projection system - there's nothing like finding a big empty wall to co-opt and display the show in 100-inch+ format.
That pullout Philips flexiplast digital-ink screen it comes with is pretty cool though when I'm short of space, and the heads up view display headset is OK when I'm walking (but a bit spooky when on the road cycle - Note to self: remember to visit the elderly couple after they get out of surgery)
The Global Bandwidth Corp has just discounted prices again so no problems there in getting the on-demand SciFi optimised webfeed. I'm trying out the beta 3D-feed tests of SG1 that SciFi is putting out. Kinda like doing the 360-degree moves around the characters to see the terrain thing - those Oscar award-winning digital FX sure can add to the experience - and I love how I can change the view from WS to CU on the cast to see their expressions or to see them in context.
Not sure about the "sequence it yourself" concept being tested - ie being able to use the Google sequencer to pick up scenes from the SG1 gallery to build up an episode of my own creation. Sounds like hardwork and kinda like the prof writers to do that for me - more surprising that way. Still I'm a FMer (future media student) so I know I can't ignore it if it's going to be the next wave.
Okay, time to go and dust off the streetview jacket with sewn in mega-pixel flexi screens - it's pretty comfortable, the health scare stories seem to be yesterday's news, and the 10 bucks a day I'm getting to screen the SciFi promo spots are sure helping with the student loan.
Am off to see "SG1 - the story continues" movie in the multiplex - saved up in order to book the cinema room (so retro!) and am being joined by my SG1 Global Games pals who are video-conferencing in for the viewing.
Life doesn't get much better than this. SG1 rocks! Cool.
Oh yay, another blog of JM's turned into a flamefest. Further reinforcing my opinion that Stargate fans should not be allowed on the internet! :P
Anyway, after seeing the new episode pics, I'm feeling pretty upbeat for the rest of the season. And Off The Grid... *drool* :D
When you're done using the jaws-of-life to rend a giant gaping hole in your story so that Vala can join the cast, can I borrow them? I need to add a shark or two to my story as well but can't seem to find room. Thanks.
You don't have room for a little baby?
Hey Joe,
I saw Robert Picardo today - he had some great things to say about you and your wife. I'm glad we will be seeing Woolsey again.
Hope the trip to SF went well.
Haven't read the blog comments in several days sounds like folks are at it again. Oh JOY!
Joe
Nice to see that SG-1 will continue to be Atlantis' crutch in season three. Crossovers with Landry, Carter, and Daniel, huh? Wow, will Atlantis ever have any of it's own characters? I'm pretty sick of seeing all that was good about SG-1 shipped across the lot to keep a subpar, lower quality, completely unoriginal dud of a show like Atlantis on the air. Ooh, I know, why don't you write a story where Woolsey investigates the Atantis team for mistakes made, like on SG-1? That'd be original. Oh, wait, it seems you've beaten me to the punch...you guys are just sooo clever. Atlantis is apparently doomed to be the albatross that dragged SG-1 to it's demise, all while managing to squander the juice it keeps sucking away from big daddy.
Intruder, Condemned, Grace Under Pressure, Epiphany, Critical Mass....anymore homages to SG-1 this year? I'm eager to see what kind of mishmash of recycled SG-1 stories we get in season three.
PS
Joe, did anyone actually write the Hive script, or did the actors just show up and shoot what looked cool? Talk about swiss cheese.
hello, this is my first and last post on a fancom website.
i'm not your normal fan that's gonna spend his whole day chatting with other nerds nor you will see me at one of your conventions. i actually found last 2 seasons rather dull (i begun losing interest when jackson was wrote off/acsended actually).
I however came to see the premiere of season 9 at a friend's house which made me borrow the dvds to catchup with the storyline. i really loved browder and black getting signed up, these are 2 great actors that really enlightens the show.
Shanks is a great actor, but he needs someone that can act back to shine. i'm kinda disapointed to notice that mitchell makes a lot of mistakes about vital decisions in the half season i saw, but i guess he's a noob, and that makes him a more credible character, hoping we'll see him learning from them.
don't bother will all the muppets with no life that cannot suffer a change in their favorite show. they would have dissed any actor trying to step in instead of mc guyver.
I am very happy with how thing are going, new badies, lots of action and actors that get to do cascades, and i'm sure even some fans are disapointed, a lot of people that don't waste time registering for a fan site really do enjoy what you are cooking up and are witing for more.
it's fresh and it feels new and fun again.
i'm with the guy above. all the last two years have been crap. i don't know where these script elves came from but so long as there here i am too. keep up the good work, and i'm glad you hired new producers with a vision instead of the gits from before.
sue14ski
Joe,
I read your answer at solutions about Daniel arguing to have Vala be on SG1 and had to say "Thanks". Thanks for ruining my fav character that is. Way to play him for a dupe. Way to undermine every decision the character makes in the future. You've completely destroyed Sam so now your moving on to Daniel? He's nothing more than her lapdog and now he's parroting her praises to have her added to SG1, the SG1 that's saved earth how many times and earned such honor and respect. The entire believabilty of this situation is killing the show and my enjoyment of it. Damn, why Daniel??? I hate Vala, she's turned thish hole thing into a mockery.
oh, and for the anime that you missed on the top 20 (no sex in any of the anime recommend)
:
-Paranoia Agent
now as a writer you would love this 12 eps anime. it's very deep, freaky at times, plot about, heh, paranoia and its various forms. i can't say much without giving up spoilers but that's great, adult entertainement that i widshed was ported into a real serie.
-Gungrave
again, amazing 24 eps serie, however you need to skip episode 1 which is a spoiler for episode 17. and 2-16 are flashback.
this is due to the fact the director wanted to show there was more coming up in the serie so it doesn't get cancelled. still it works better if you miss the first episode and begin at 2. there is a VERY interewsting cesure in the plotline i cannot reveal without spoilers, but which gives you the feeling you are watching something very special you never quite saw before.
also:
-Samurai shamploo (from cowboy beebop director)
ok, great at times...
-Gits 2
the movie
I love Atlantis, it's a great show and I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of season 2 and from the comments about season 3 can't wait for that either. Atlantis isn't SG1 and thats fine by me. I love it and the characters just the way they are. They are new and fresh and fun to wach. Keep up the great writing.
I love Atlantis, it's a great show and I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of season 2 and from the comments about season 3 can't wait for that either. Atlantis isn't SG1 and thats fine by me. I love it and the characters just the way they are. They are new and fresh and fun to wach. Keep up the great writing.
Arnott's is the company. Arnott's USED to be an Aussie company but is now owned by a Canadian company.
No doubt Kingston biscuits (not cookies - we don't have cookies in Aust) do exist in Canada, but are probably under a different name.
So what's the company that owns Arnott's now? Campbell's.
Love reading your blogs. Not much more to say than that. Rock on!
McK :)
Hey Joe,
I need to ask a favour- Can you travel into the future and see if I end marrying David Hewlett?
Thanks :)
Joe, just wanted to say that given all the rubbish posted everywhere by certain fans regarding Cameron and the co-leadership issue, and about Vala being a thief and not worthy of being on SG1, and Landry not being as good as Jack: please don't ruin the show by pampering these fans and making them happy at the expense of everyone else. I was really happy with Mitchell as leader of SG1 until I saw you say he was now only co-leader just to appease the Sam fans. You have fantastic characters in Mitchell, Vala, Lam and Landry. Adding these to Jackson and Teal'c has made the show incredibly strong as we saw in the first half of the ninth season. Let these characters and your story arc determine the show, not a group of loud fans. Thank you for listening.
Daisy
i'm with daisy.
Yes, well, as Joe and the other producers have obviously determined, most fans are not happy with Cameron leading. Mitchell is a fine, if entirely bland, character. But just about everyone except rabib Ben Browder fans and the most vitriolic Carter-haters are having problems with such an inexperienced nonentity leading Carter, Teal'c, and Daniel. It's idiotic and it makes no sense. Add to that the poor job that the writers have done integrating Mitchell into the team, and you have a character who hasn't earned the position he's got, neither in the eyes of Carter, Teal'c, or Daniel, nor in the eyes of many fans.
Joe's clarification of the command structure of SG-1 is undeniably a cop-out. No one is arguing that. But it's a compromise that is designed for Mitchell's benefit. Scifi's demands that the show needs to have a male lead, and the network darling to boot, placed the producers in a no win situation. Amanda Tapping's pregnancy gave them the out they needed to appease Scifi while, hopefully, keeping some of SG-1's integrity intact. Whether it's worked or not is another debate entirely. But had Ms. Tapping not been on maternity leave, then Mitchell would have no opportunity to "lead" SG-1. And, no, I don't feel that Ms. Tapping is being punished for having a baby; however, the Carter character is being punished for her actress not being available. That's life.
But the fact that Mitchell continues to be nonexistant, the fact that he's never done any actual leading on the show, the fact that his character has been used as a walking plot contrivance (push the big red button, you idiot), all make his supposed leadership even more of a sad joke after you watch the episodes. Clearly the writers aren't trying to make him as competant or as much a part of the team as the rest of SG-1. He's made too many stupid errors and he's been isolated from the other characters far too often.
Cameron Mitchell is a walking Mary Sue character. He's liked by all for no logical reason, has failed to earn the rewards that have been heaped upon him, continues to make mistakes without any reprucussions, and, frankly, adds nothing to the show that wasn't attainable with Col. Reynolds appearing once in a while.
And, from the looks of the pictures released from the second half episodes, it seems that his role as leader is going to be diminished even further. From those images, Carter certainly seems to be leading, especially when she's comforting a bawling Mitchell. Sorry, but that's a weird way to show Mitchell as Carter's superior.
Nigel
I'm with Nigel.
I'm with daisy. I'm not a Danny-ranter or a Carter-hater or a Browder-lover (gotta love these fandom labels), and I want Mitchell to be clearly and solely in charge.
Yo Nigel, learn to spell "nonexistent" and "competent" please.
And you're objecting to Carter showing some human compasssion to a suffering Mitchell? That sort of bonding is exactly what the team needs this year, fcol.
Yeah, like the person above, I want Mitchell to be solely in charge too. If he's not, then he's got nothing to do and he serves no purpose on the team. I still think that TPTB should have stuck with the three-man team from last year, but since they added another person they should have made him useful. Putting him in charge meant that he had no real purpose or story arc and already it's started to show. He NEEDS command now, because otherwise putting him onscreen just wastes episode minutes with useless filler just to have Mitchell do or say something. It was especially obvious in the boring Babylon (where he got a whole episode to himself just to have something to do) and The Fourth Horseman (in his hallway scenes with Landry and Lam). It's either muscle him into stories that way or simply have him stand around a la Prototype. So in my view he needs command so that his character serves some kind of purpose and makes some kind of sense. Sorry Nigel.
I'll tell ya all what I think is going to be the last nail in the coffin for Mitchell. I think Vala coming on full time is going to doom Mitchell's character even worse than having him try and compete with Carter. Vala, to Claudia Black's credit, completely wallpapered Mitchell in the first five episodes. He might as well have been a random red shirt for all the impact he has when she's around. Carter, Daniel, and T all have eight years worth of development and experiences to pit against Vala's dominating personality. But Mitchell has got nothing. And it really, really shows. I feel bad for Browder that he's signed on for another year, considering what limited development and involvement he's probably in for. Joe's comment about Vala leading SG1 last year was meant jokingly, but it's got me worried considering that's what happened the last time she was around. Mitchell isn't a strong enough character to not be dominated by Vala. It shows in every scene.
Frankly, I don't know why they brought on Mitchell in the first place. If they were just going to make Vala a regular then there really isn't enough time to service two new characters. And it's clear that the writers enjoy writing and including Vala much more than Mitchell. Likewise it's clear that Vala, for all of the fans who dislike her, also has fans who adore her. At least she engenders a reaction. That's more than anyone can say for Mitchell.
Nigel said:
Yes, well, as Joe and the other producers have obviously determined, most fans are not happy with Cameron leading. Mitchell is a fine, if entirely bland, character. But just about everyone except rabib Ben Browder fans and the most vitriolic Carter-haters are having problems with such an inexperienced nonentity leading Carter, Teal'c, and Daniel. It's idiotic and it makes no sense. Add to that the poor job that the writers have done integrating Mitchell into the team, and you have a character who hasn't earned the position he's got, neither in the eyes of Carter, Teal'c, or Daniel, nor in the eyes of many fans.
Joe's clarification of the command structure of SG-1 is undeniably a cop-out. No one is arguing that. But it's a compromise that is designed for Mitchell's benefit. Scifi's demands that the show needs to have a male lead, and the network darling to boot, placed the producers in a no win situation. Amanda Tapping's pregnancy gave them the out they needed to appease Scifi while, hopefully, keeping some of SG-1's integrity intact. Whether it's worked or not is another debate entirely. But had Ms. Tapping not been on maternity leave, then Mitchell would have no opportunity to "lead" SG-1. And, no, I don't feel that Ms. Tapping is being punished for having a baby; however, the Carter character is being punished for her actress not being available. That's life.
But the fact that Mitchell continues to be nonexistant, the fact that he's never done any actual leading on the show, the fact that his character has been used as a walking plot contrivance (push the big red button, you idiot), all make his supposed leadership even more of a sad joke after you watch the episodes. Clearly the writers aren't trying to make him as competant or as much a part of the team as the rest of SG-1. He's made too many stupid errors and he's been isolated from the other characters far too often.
Cameron Mitchell is a walking Mary Sue character. He's liked by all for no logical reason, has failed to earn the rewards that have been heaped upon him...
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Ditto on all of that.
~DoS
DoS said:
Ditto on all of that.
~DoS
Agreed. Ditto.
I would agree to a certain extend, i hope we see browder doing his show more often, i'm not particularly a fan of him but i admit when he was playing on farscape he was just class.
but i think this has been thought out already, and hopefully claudia black will have more interaction with the rest of and crew and browder to spice up all the characters next season.
i mean browder is the new guy, they introduce him as such, let's see how it goes, it's like mid season.
right now he has, revived an almost ascended evil, destroyed a planet and send people to encounter the ori.
it's nice seeing him getting in troubles but he sure can do better than fight scenes and shooting gates.
i wouldn't worry too much tho, i suspect they just want to create a character more human. we'll see how it goes.
i'm with daisy tho, don't give a damn about what i've said and just go the way you guys think is fitting. people will enjoy it. i know i will.
Mitchell has been chewing a lot of scenery so far. Maybe now that the writers' darling is gone until the end of the season they can give him something productive to do. They had better hurry; after Vala returns Mitchell will be chewing yet again.
An Anonymous Poster above said:
"I want Mitchell to be solely in charge too. If he's not, then he's got nothing to do and he serves no purpose on the team."
I've seen this argument alot. What's disturbing about it is that if this is the case, then he is a two dimensional character at best and a superfluous fifth wheel at worst.
If his only addition to the show and the team is to "lead" but he doesn't actually lead but rather just calls himself the leader, then he really serves no function whatsoever.
Had he been written with a sense of authority or experience, that would have been one thing. Instead,
Mitchell is a cliche (and you know how I feel about cliches)..."the hero that won't stay down" yadda yadda...and seems to be the walking incarnation of a fanboi. In fact, what do we really know about what he supposedly adds to the team apart from his "leadership" role? What does he actually have to offer to this team? Why is he even there?
If the answer is like what was given above...that if he isn't the leader of record "he's got nothing to do and he serves no purpose on the team," then that truly is a sad state of affairs indeed.
So far we know nothing else about him except he's a n00b who does stupid things for the sake of the plot (Mr. "I thought it was a light switch) and makes lame oneliners that flop painfully...and he really seems out of his league amongst people with almost 30 years combined offworld experience.
I hope we find out what qualifies him to be on the team in the first place much less "lead" it.
Mary Beth
SG1 needs Mitchell. Who else would fight all the knights?
I'm with Mary Beth.
Anonymous said...
Hey Joe,
I need to ask a favour- Can you travel into the future and see if I end marrying David Hewlett?
Thanks :)
Forget about you and David Hewlett! ... How about traveling into the future and seeing if Jack and Sam are married. *grin*
Anonymous said...
SG1 needs Mitchell. Who else would fight all the knights?
Maybe someone who can make it look like they have actual broadsword and staff skills? If Avalon II and Babylon were any example, Mitchell doesn't.
I have to concur with Über - so far, Mitchell's funtion on SG-1 is to be a mobile plot device / cause / complication / resolution: the Easy Button™ that spares the writers time and effort in launching, furthering, or resolving a plot. Whatever the plot needs, he's the Easy Button™ to push in order to supply it, the easy way out to get it. Since the audience barely knows Mitchell, the writers have apparently felt free to write anything and everything for him, no matter how inconsistent those anythings and everythings have made him appear to date.
Maybe the idea was to present a multi-faceted character, but, if so, the execution of that idea has failed. All we've been given is a random collection of traits, none of which seem to qualify the character for much of anything in particular, including being a senior officer in the US military, much less the leader of a an elite team of explorers / de facto ambassadors / ground assault experts.
Yes, I know we're supposedly getting 'Mitchell episodes' later in the season, but: I already have an impression of Mitchell as nothing more than a walking plot contrivance that the writers will have to overcome with whatever they do with him hereafter; the spoilers for those Mitchell eps read like television plot clichés on parade (and generic clichés do not necessarily provide a good assault on any existing perceptions); and season 9 has been so mediocre to date, I have no faith that the writers are capable of stitching a character together out of the ragbag of attributes and behaviors that constitutes Mitchell at the half-season point.
And, that being the case, Mitchell the Easy Button™ is making something easy for this viewer, too: changing channels.
It's not completely Mitchell's fault, but geekingonward and Mary Beth have made great points: Cameron needs more than just being "The Leader" that's motivating him, because that can't be his only facet. And, of course, Jack O'Neill 2.0 is NOT gonna fly, folks.
And I think Cameron (and Vala) have the potential to be fantastic, well-rounded characters...
~DoS
Great post Nigel.
I agree with Uber/Mary Beth - what exactly is Mitchell's purpose - that question has yet to be answered by any of TPTB and it has been asked by many, many fans.
It is indeed sad that for this character the argument mostly seen in his favor is that: if he isn't the leader of record he's got nothing to do and he serves no purpose on the team, so he has to be the leader -- that really does answer the question - he serves no purpose because he was not needed in the first place - he was not needed except for the silly notion that a male lead was needed ergo cramming a square peg into a round hole and we all know that never fits.
Bink
==Frankly, I don't know why they brought on Mitchell in the first place. If they were just going to make Vala a regular then there really isn't enough time to service two new characters.==
Interesting points in your post :)
First thoughts are that the producers had to maintain the 3/1 male/female ratio on the SG1 line-up to satisfy viewer demographics. Given RDA's departure, a new male character had to be introduced - and perhaps no previously introduced characters
fitted the bill. Jonas? Davies? Jacob?
So inevitably a new character had to come in, but with an immediate and associated backstory to link him to the SG1 universe. You're right - the backstory isn't holding up. He needs more - either through an event in an upcoming storyline which deeply affects him (a la FIAD, or Ford's development), so that we see him as a rounded character whom we can buy into as a complex person and as a leader, or through revealing more backstory of substance - ie much more than he led the attack squadron in Antarctica.
With Vala arriving on the scene, the 3/1 lineup imbalance is sorted by Carter being shared across to the two series - and therefore appearing more like a semi-regular on SG1. While Vala is a new character, it feels like the development work has been done because of the intense focus on her in the S9 opening arc. She travelled very fast as a character. Does it feel like we know more about her in the brief time with her to date, than perhaps was revealed of Jonas across the whole of S6?
I like Mitchell, (and I like Vala and miss Jack) I think Mitchell's character development deficit is very definitely fixable.
Wow... I see the kiss between Weir and Sheppard in the Scifi promo. For god's Sake; Between Scifi and New-Atlantis.net, they are going to spoil us all the episodes. Why they do not publish already directly the Scripts of each upcoming episodes?
In a positive side, congratulations for the new "Captain Kirk" (Sheppard, I mean). Is very funny, in each episode kissing to a different woman. Definitively, it's much more amusing that make a canon pair with Teyla or Elizabeth.
Joe,
I looks like you're doing guest spots in the Q&A section of GW and Solutions. Which I think is good.
But I also think that you might want a little Q&A from the owner(s) of the Solutions site about their poll about Vala.
Here at GW there's a straightfowarded poll about Ms. Black being a season 10 regular. While over at Solutions, there's a poll that contains this:
How do you feel about Vala being on Stargate full time?
Ecstatic!
Okay with it
Worried about Carter's role on SG-1
Worried Carter will crossover to SGA
Unhappy; I don't like Vala
Indifferent; I'll watch either way
You might want to ask that/those person/persons why are you so worried about Carters role on SG-1/crossover to SGA, since it appears that at this time, no one knows of how many episodes Carter will be written in for SGA.
Or better yet, since that fourm appears not to like Carter. Why are they so concerned about her?
LaCroix
Joe, just wanted to say that given all the rubbish posted everywhere by a small group of certain fans regarding Vala over Carter, and about Vala being a great additon to the team and worthy of being on SG1, and Landry being as good as Jack: please don't ruin the show by pampering these newbie fans and making them happy at the expense of everyone else, including the fan base that has made SG1 a success for 8 years. I was really happy with Carter as leader of SG1 until I saw you say she was now only co-leader just to appease the Mitchell fans. You have fantastic characters in Carter, Teal'c and Daniel and they have made the show incredibly strong as we saw in the first eight years of the show. Let these characters and your story arc determine the show, not a small group of loud fans. Thank you for listening.
Bink
Yeah, what he (Bink) said.
just saw critical mass last night and must say kudos. it looks like a bit of crossover is all it takes to finally make atlantis interesting. the goauld have it in spades over the wraith. looking forward to more help from big brother in season 3. rock on atlantis!
I have a problem with the concept of completely divorcing SGA from SG-1.
I've seen people voice concerns over crossovers as though SG-1 is being used as a crutch...and surely, if the crossovers occur on a weekly or every other week basis, there might be reason to fear...but since SGA is part of the SG-1 universe, it makes sense that there'd be crossover storylines every once in a while (couple times a year perhaps).
Take Critical Mass as an example. The storyline was a logical extension of what happened last season on SG-1 with the Trust. The SGC played a role but SG-1 didn't ride in on their white horses to save the day. Very well done IMHO.
Also...wooo to seeing Hermiod again!! As much as I love Thor, snarky Hermiod is quickly becoming a fave. Loved his Kavanagh smackdown too... ;)
Mary Beth
i think the serie can reach higher skies next seasons, and the UK ratings are with me. don't get me wrong, i liked the richard dean anderson show, got a bit bored at the end, but with all the talented additional crew and some new very much more thought provoking gnostic enemies (i liked the shanks speach which introduced humans to ori-- it's really what makes shanks such a likeable character in the show) gives the opportunity to writers to play over new grounds, religious, psychological, etc. what's make you keep fighting when you are finnally in front of gods ?
i'll be totally honest. i didn't notice carter wasn't here in the first eps, but she wasn't much needed except for the brain transfert. it would have been weird not to see her later on the the season. tbh, she never looked like a leader to me, but i also agree on the fact that why michell is in command somewhat eludes me still and i suspect other reasons are still hidden, or that his role is gonna be clarified and well defined.
however i do think browder #is a great actor. his energy display on screen everytime he get smached by something or push the wrong button.
fab.
oh. i also think the crew interaction and the way they must learn to know each other again is another part of what makes this season cool.
fab
UberSG1fan wrote:
I have a problem with the concept of completely divorcing SGA from SG-1.
I've seen people voice concerns over crossovers as though SG-1 is being used as a crutch...and surely, if the crossovers occur on a weekly or every other week basis, there might be reason to fear...but since SGA is part of the SG-1 universe, it makes sense that there'd be crossover storylines every once in a while (couple times a year perhaps).
Take Critical Mass as an example. The storyline was a logical extension of what happened last season on SG-1 with the Trust. The SGC played a role but SG-1 didn't ride in on their white horses to save the day. Very well done IMHO.
At least for some fans, the belief that Atlantis is using SG-1 as a crutch
does not come from a desire or fundamental belief that Atlantis should be completely divorced from SG-1. That would be virtually impossible to do given what a massively successful show SG-1 is.
What a lot of people are seeing is an increasing reliance on elements from SG-1 being used to bolster Atlantis in many different ways.
There are way, way, way too many Atlantis episodes this season that are completely copied from previous SG-1 episodes. Intruder was Entity, almost to a tee. Condemned was very similar to Prisoners. Epiphany is an exact copy of A Hundred Days. Grace Under Pressure is, by everyone's own admission, a direct copy of Grace. And, no, the fact that you acknowledge that you're copying episodes does not make it any more acceptable. For many of these, it's not just a matter of the episodes containing similar story elements. It's that the entire denouement of the story plays out like SG-1 redux.
Blatant story unoriginality aside, there is also the use of SG-1 characters in stories, rather than Atlantis actually creating its own set of characters. Just this season alone, General Landry will appear twice (this would be appropriate if that was the extent of the crossovers), along with Dr. Lee, Walter, and Agent Barrett. Samantha Cater's imagined presence in Grace Under Pressure is the basis for an entire episode. And the fact that Mckay is still doomed to be defined by his fixation on Carter illustrates an inability on the writer's part to create any meaningful bond among the Atlantis characters. Add to all of this the huge crossovers that are apparently planned for next year both storywise and with Daniel Jackson, Samantha Carter, Richard Woolsey, and, presumably, General Landry again, and you've got major elements from SG-1 literally carrying what will likely be at least 10 out of 20 episodes. Atlantis, by itself, has created almost no recurring characters of its own. Everytime a character does appear who has the potential to be recurring, things are taken in a different route, usually to accomodate more CGI or unnecessary explosions.
The arguments that SG-1 is keeping Atlantis afloat are also, to an extent numbers based. While the first run numbers for the shows are virtually identical, Atlantis seems to fail to do well in reruns for Scifi. While SG-1 always seems to garner some rating in reruns, Atlantis does not. In fact, during the week that only Atlantis aired it failed to make it into Scifi's reported ratings at all, and that was for three consecutive airings in all three primetime slots. Also, since debuting in syndication this year, SG-1 has consistently out-perfomed Atlantis, always achieving a higher rating. For a show that is 9 years old and almost entirely different from the past 8 years to be doing that much better than the newer, more expensive sister show does not bode well for Atlantis' longevity.
There simply seems to be a severe drop in quality to Atlantis this year. While I agree that some crossover is inevitable, total dependence is not. Something like Critical Mass once in a while would be quite welcome, but not in light of all of the other crossover elements that seem to be in Atlantis' future. The Atlantis characters all need to be fleshed out as it is. All of them. Having major SG-1 characters like Carter or Daniel appear in Atlantis immediately takes the focus away from Teyla or Beckett and puts it on the visiting character. Like it or not, there are only 42 minutes in which to tell the stories. The more characters that get added to Atlantis, the less time there is to go around. Zelenka, Lorne, and the like are in for some severely reduced participation if Landry and Dr. Lee are going to be popping in from time to time.
Anyway, I could surely go on for quite awhile, but think I should probably wrap it up. I'm just saying, for a show that was supposed to stand on its own, for a show that's supposedly the future of the franchise, things are looking awfully bleak and unoriginal awfully fast. Perhaps they should have just called it SG-2.
PS
Need I mention the Tok'Wraith?
LaCroix said...
You might want to ask that/those person/persons why are you so worried about Carters role on SG-1/crossover to SGA, since it appears that at this time, no one knows of how many episodes Carter will be written in for SGA.
Well, I'm the one who created that poll on Solutions, so I can tell you directly why: a few weeks ago the issues of Vala coming back full-time and Carter crossing over to SGA part-time were very intertwined in fans' minds. Just read the comments to Joe's previous blog entries and various GW forum threads to see this. Maybe the issue is obsolete now, but it wouldn't be fair to change the wording of the poll after hundreds of people have voted in it, would it?
The sg1solutions forum is not anti-Carter by policy or culture. Please refrain from the ridiculous generalizations.
You know, I sort of don't agree with Losing Faith In Atlantis, but I'm finding it hard to argue with the points he/she made. It didn't seem like Atlantis was depending on SG-1 that much, but when it's all put together like that, it does sound like SG-1 is the "crutch". A lot of people aer saying that Critical Mass is Atlantis' best episdoe of the season, too. It's probably a bad thing that the SG-1/SGC heavy episosde turns out to be the best.
Anyway, I still love Atlantis. It does make you think though....
Michelle said:
The sg1solutions forum is not anti-Carter by policy or culture. Please refrain from the ridiculous generalizations.
Actually, Solutions is anti-Carter by nature. Sorry, but that is the way it is, whether that's the atmosphere you're trying to engender or not. It's not a generalization. I've tried posting at Solutions and have been attacked for my opinions on both Carter and Daniel with such hatred and venom that it's disturbing. It's not worth anyone's time trying to have a real discussion over there because it doesn't happen.
I agree with the tenor of your post that a forum that is so vehemently anti-Carter is not a good thing and is low, petty, and mean-spirited. I understand that Solutions gets lumped in with Our Stargate and the Sony Forums, perhaps unfairly. But the fact is that the same small group of hatemongers frequent all three forums, spewing the same venom daily. A free flow of ideas it's not.
Allie
Anonymous said...
Forget about you and David Hewlett! ... How about traveling into the future and seeing if Jack and Sam are married. *grin*
No forget about fictional characters :P David Hewlett and I are more important *smiles happily*. Although if he travels far enough into the future he can see if both things happen.
I agree with Allie - I have tried to post at Solutions in the past and been royally trounced for my opinions because they were not in-line with the opinions of those posting there. I was so trounced I left never to go back it was so hateful and uncomfortable to even try to have a reasoned discussion -it always turned into a virtual screaming match with me being told I was crazy and wrong and with slings and arrows tossed at Carter for good measure, I guess.
Terry
And I agree with Terry. There are always exceptions to the rule in every case and I'm not talking about on-line fans who dislike Carter, dislike the way her character has been written the past few years, dislike what she has become.
But there is no getting around it, the Sam-hating, Sam-despising posters who can't seem to control their urge to bring up how much they hate her (even if the topic is not about Sam ), how they wish she would leave the show, those who rag on AT personally and make negative remarks about the actress's physical attributes, the very core group of people who hang out at Solutions, OS, Sony Forums and in the anti-Sam threads on GateWorld (I ask you -- how many venues does one need to hurl forth hatred about a character), almost 98% of those ultra Sam haters have one thing in common -- they are Uber Daniel fans. And we can all connect those dots for ourselves.
Rational discussion on Solutions or OS? Not unless one follows the company line. That has been my experience.
Yeah, Atlantis is one of those shows that begs and pleads with viewers to turn their brains off for the hour it's on. Considering it's grouped with SG-1 and Galactica, Atlantis is definitely the intellectually challenged little kid who the big boys have to take with them when they go out.
Hey DOS my little sugar plum dumpling fairy, you changed your name so people didn't think you were an Irish jigger tights? Still spouting the same rhetoric about how wonderful Sam and Jack are I see. Still with the same chorus line backing you up too.
It must be so tiring dancing in ever decreasing circles around the maypole.
Oh look, Binky is here too.
Binky, Binky, Binky, how are you, you sweet little pinky binky?
Binkie? Isn't that another name for a pacifier that babies spit out of their mouths?
Wow, what a clever retort. You deserve the award for the most useless post on this thread so far.
Hi Joe, I'm really looking forward to the second half of Atlantis. I hear there's going to be lots of action and teamwork and talk of a new ally. However, I also hear that we're getting another fake kiss, which concerns me. Didn't the writers learn their lesson with Sam and Jack? Ship just doesn't work on these shows.
Wow, what a clever retort. You deserve the award for the most useless post on this thread so far.
Hi Joe, I'm really looking forward to the second half of Atlantis. I hear there's going to be lots of action and teamwork and talk of a new ally. However, I also hear that we're getting another fake kiss, which concerns me. Didn't the writers learn their lesson with Sam and Jack? Ship just doesn't work on these shows.
Michelle, I would agree with you if there was an immediate poll that was posted at your site. But it wasn't.
Joe, when news was breaking about this, Sci-Fi BB's were buzzing with the news. The SGA BB was talking and SG-1 BB had a poll that was done the same day when news broke on this. Here's a copy of that poll:
Where should Sam be in season 10?
You may choose only one
Sam should be on SG1 *only*
I'm okay with SG1 and SGA appearances
As long as Sam stays, I don't care where she is
I'd rather have Vala ;)
Votes accepted from (18:20 30/10/2005) to (No end specified)
View the results of this poll
Now I'm not sure of Military time, but that looks like 6:20, the day when we here where talking about it.
You may want to ask the person in question over at Soultions why she waited to do have a poll, when the news broke that CB would be back in S10.
LaCroix
But there is no getting around it, the Sam-loving, Sam-worshiping posters who can't seem to control their urge to bring up how much they adore her and want her to be with her Jacky tru luv (even if the topic is not about Sam and Jack ), how they wish she and the Sam/Jack shippiness would dominate the show, those who rag on MS personally and make negative remarks about the actor career choices and physical attributes and return to the show, the very core group of people who hang out at the Yahoo groups, on the news groups and in the anti-Daniel threads/Pro SamnJack threads on GateWorld (I ask you -- how many venues does one need to spout forth the fanaticl need for a character getting together with her CO), almost 98% of those ultra Sam and Jack worshippers have one thing in common -- they are Uber
SamnJack ship fans who want Sam to 'get her man' and what Daniel to go away. And we can all connect those dots for ourselves.
This was posted to OS by the forum owner
Oh, I know what you mean. It's reach the height of absurdity this past season (S9) when the producers have been basically criticizing this forum (meaning OS)for being too *positive*! And daring to like the show! And for daring to like the new characters! And for daring to praise the writers! How DARE WE!!!!! We must be punished! Immediately!
Crikey, what IS she talking about here. When did you critize people at OS for 'being too positive' about season 9 (when have they said anything positive anyway). Show producers and writers punishing just this forum of fans for having positive comments sound positively delusional to me.
Maybe she's talking about that whole "script elf" crap? It's where some fans just couldn't believe that the writers could put out such great episodes as the "miniseries" because the writers apparently suck. It's much more likely in their minds that elves came in and wrote the scripts in the middle of the night. So when those fans rejoice at season nine, they go out of their way to thank the elves and indirectly slap the writers in the face. I can see how Joe would be pissed.
Where are the anti-Daniel threads on gateworld? I must have missed those, unless by anti-Daniel you mean any thread not discussing Daniel all the time and how great he is and how he's the heart of SG1 and how he can do no wrong.
Daniel is my favorite. I am not into Jack-Sam-ship. But I am disgusted by the Carter-trashing and especially the Amanda-trashing I see from a tiny number of freaks who dare to think they are doing the actor Michael Shanks or the character he plays a favor with their ugliness. They must be very insecure in their fandom if this is their way of supporting him or the show. If they could stop bitching at the Jack-Sam-shippers (who have never given me any offence) for a day it would be a day longer than I think they're capable of. And they are not doing Claudia Black or Vala any favors either when they deliberately set her up against Carter in some kind of stupid deluded campaign to get rid of Carter, as if the writers take any notice of that. It's pointless and negative and immature.
OFF-TOPIC Anonymous said:
Hey DOS my little sugar plum dumpling fairy, you changed your name so people didn't think you were an Irish jigger tights? Still spouting the same rhetoric about how wonderful Sam and Jack are I see.
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Actually, Oh Genius One, I sign my posts with "Cassandra," "the dancer of spaz," and "DoS" (and sometimes all three), but I alternate from time to time. Most of the people who traverse GW or actually, ya know, pay attention know that.
But I'm sooo sorry for the confusion. ;)
Back on topic, I think the poster above is on to something...
~ Little Sugar Plum Dumpling Fairy
OFF-TOPIC Anonymous said:
Hey DOS my little sugar plum dumpling fairy, you changed your name so people didn't think you were an Irish jigger tights? Still spouting the same rhetoric about how wonderful Sam and Jack are I see.
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Actually, Oh Genius One, I sign my posts with "Cassandra," "the dancer of spaz," and "DoS" (and sometimes all three), but I alternate from time to time. Most of the people who traverse GW or actually, ya know, pay attention know that.
But I'm sooo sorry for the confusion. ;)
Back on topic, I think the poster above is on to something...
~ Little Sugar Plum Dumpling Fairy
Maybe she's talking about that whole "script elf" crap? It's where some fans just couldn't believe that the writers could put out such great episodes as the "miniseries" because the writers apparently suck. It's much more likely in their minds that elves came in and wrote the scripts in the middle of the night. So when those fans rejoice at season nine, they go out of their way to thank the elves and indirectly slap the writers in the face. I can see how Joe would be pissed.
So that's what all the babbling about script elves on the Sony forum is about! So let me get this straight. The OS forum owner thinks saying that the writers couldn't have written something as good as this so called miniseries and mysterious script elves wrote it is SUPPOSE to be something positive and supportive of season 9? Joe and the other writers getting pissed off about this is SUPPOSE to be treating them badly and not being appreciative of them?
That's utter crap on a cracker. Only someone truly delusional would think that the show writers should see such nasty snideness and outright lies spread about them as supportive, positive comments.
Btw, I didn't say anything about anti-Daniel threads on Gateworld, so I'm lost about the rest of your post. Did you mean it as a reply to someone else and just added it to the reply to me?
Maybe she's talking about that whole "script elf" crap? It's where some fans just couldn't believe that the writers could put out such great episodes as the "miniseries" because the writers apparently suck. It's much more likely in their minds that elves came in and wrote the scripts in the middle of the night. So when those fans rejoice at season nine, they go out of their way to thank the elves and indirectly slap the writers in the face. I can see how Joe would be pissed.
So that's what all the script elves stuff they are babbling about over on the Sony forums is about?
So let me get this straight, the OS forum owner thinks that the writers are suppose to appreciate some nasty, snideness that mysterous elves wrote their beloved miniseries not the show writers. And said show writers were suppose to fall over themselves thanking the OS for such a slap in the face and they didn't?
That's crap on a cracker! Where do these people come up with such delusional ideas about themselves? Who in their right mind would even think something so obnoxious and rude should be accepted as positive support of season 9.
Btw, I didn't mention anything about anti-Daniel posts on gateworld. Did you mean that reply for someone else?
Sorry for the double posting. I got an error message the first time and thought it didn't go through so I rewrote it (explains some changes in wording).
My dear delusions, my anti-Daniel thread comment was not aimed at you but at the post above your original one. So sorry for the confusion. :)
My dear delusions, my anti-Daniel thread comment was not aimed at you but at the post above your original one. So sorry for the confusion. :)
on the web, you are gonna be publically dissed for whatever fair -or- completely outrageous reason, that is the wonderful world of fan forums and the internet. it doesn't represent the mass popula of evolved being watching the show.
on the web, you are gonna be publically dissed for whatever fair -or- completely outrageous reason, that is the wonderful world of fan forums and the internet. it doesn't represent the mass popula of evolved being watching the show.
The mirror reflects both ways said...
"those who rag on MS personally and make negative remarks about the actor career choices and physical attributes and return to the show, the very core group of people who hang out at the Yahoo groups, on the news groups and in the anti-Daniel threads/Pro SamnJack threads on GateWorld (I ask you -- how many venues does one need to spout forth the fanaticl need for a character getting together with her CO), almost 98% of those ultra Sam and Jack worshippers have one thing in common -- they are Uber SamnJack ship fans who want Sam to 'get her man' and what Daniel to go away. And we can all connect those dots for ourselves."
Actually very, very few "uber" Sam fans as you call them hate Daniel and want him off the show. In fact, I can't even name one that I know of. Personally, I'm a S/J shipper who also really likes the Daniel character and thinks MS does a fabulous job. I know of many Sam fans that feel the same way. There are also a multitude of Sam fans who can't stand the ship.
I think that the uber Sam-bashers make themselves look ridiculous and hateful. Why watch the show at all if one of the characters makes you so completely unhappy as to inspire you to spout venom about them every chance you get? Why not spend your time watching and discussing something you actually like? Instead, you spend most of your time over-analyzing the Sam character and coming up with "extreme" interpretations of her actions and their meanings. In fact, you are more obsessed with the character than most of the uber Sam fans, which is borderline psychotic if you ask me.
And I have to agree with the anonymous Daniel fan who posted at 12:09 pm - MS would certainly not want anyone to bash another character or actor as a way to elevate his own character and himself as an actor. I feel sorry for MS and CB that they have such fans. It's quite embarrassing. At least they also have a multitude of respectful, rational, and good-natured fans to make up the difference.
Are the Sam fans hypocritical as you allege? I don't think so and anyone who truly reads the posts at GW will be able to see that fact for themselves. I would advise the "mirror reflects both ways" to take a good look back in that mirror. But then again, you're probably too afraid of what you will see there.
Hey Reflecting Mirror:
First of all, there *ARE* no anti-Daniel threads on Gateword -- check it out for yourself. I've never seen one in the 2 years I've lurked there.
Secondly, the people who hang out in the Sam/Jack thread are too busy talking about Sam and Jack to rag on Michael Shanks or Daniel. You can also check that out for yourself.
Third, what the vast majority of Uber Sam and Jack fans have in common is that they want Sam and Jack to be together after they retire of course. I'm pretty sure the common denominator is NOT hatred of Daniel. I don't see that because Daniel poses no threat to Sam/Jack. Jack can be friends with Daniel; everyone needs a best "buddy". It's not like Daniel and Sam are in a contest for Jack's romantic affection in any canonical sense.
I like Daniel very much; have absolutely nothing against him at all and I think MS is a fine actor. I've never ragged on him. However, I do find his obsessed, very emotionally, engaged fans to be quite...shoot, I cannot even find a word to describe them.
I agree that these kinds of fans are doing MS no service. I *do* think if he came online and read some of the vitriol hurled at Sam (and Amanda) he would be very embarrassed and angry. Not to mention feeling pretty weird because those fans have set him so high up on a pedestal. One fan on OS said she couldn't watch Meridian or LifeBoat a second time because Michael's acting was so brilliant, it just reduced her to tears and left her mentally and physically exhausted. A little separation is needed perhaps?
Digger
"uber Sam-bashers"
That's a good description, because these people aren't representative of Daniel-fans.
Digger: "However, I do find his obsessed, very emotionally, engaged fans to be quite...shoot, I cannot even find a word to describe them."
I've heard that the negative-fan types, i.e. the very few who express their "love" by attacking other actors/characters as the uber Sam-bashers do, are the ones considered most likely to be stalker material.
Hello,
You, dear writer, who are watching a lot of TV shows and who are reading Asterix et Obelix, did you know this "new" (?) french Tv show calling CAMELOOT ? It's really fun and intelligent !
I don't know if it is available in english version but...
(Sorry for the bad english, I can read but write... however like we say, Try and try, and try again
you just don't get it, haters on the web are not much stalkers, paranoid or dangerous, they are just kids that live a life by procuration and they act like it because they realize there is no way for them to be recognised or reprimended.
you don't see wingers in real life because they are afraid of being slapped in the face.
Keep up the time travelling Doctor! ... I mean Joe... sorry.
Season four of Atlantis? can't we just skip to Season Seven and Atlantis taking off to battle the Zeons?
From a fellow time traveller.
Amazing how much science fiction technology is actually floating around out there in RL. First Joe with his time-jumping device, and now The mirror reflects both ways.
The latter obviously got a hold of one those alternate reality mirrors and was looking into a very unpleasant AU where all Sam-fans hate Daniel. No doubt, this is the same AU where certain forums other than the Daniel-hating GW are reasonable, happy, and unbiased places to visit, and Dancer of Spaz is a sugar plum dumpling fairy. How fun! I wonder if there's a real Santa Claus there, too?
Oh Santa's there, trust me. And he's severely pissed off.
~Li'l SPlum D. Fairy
Amazing how much science fiction technology is actually floating around out there in RL. First Joe with his time-jumping device, and now the mirror still reflects both ways.
Anonymous said obviously got a hold of one those alternate reality mirrors and was looking into a very unpleasant AU where all Daniel-fans hate Sam. No doubt, this is the same AU where certain forums other than the Sam-hating GW are reasonable, happy, and unbiased places to visit, and Dancer of Spaz is a sugar plum dumpling fairy. How fun! I wonder if there's a real Santa Claus there, too?
I'm glad to see that you're signed up to do some commeentaries on the S9 DVD's, ESPECIALLY the part where you say: I promise lots of interesting behind-the-scenes goodies on the various episodes. THAT'S what most people want to hear, I think, stuff about the episode that's being viewed, not, er, bathroom humor!
You said: "As I mentioned in my previous blog entry, the occasionally bespectacled one takes a trip far, far away in episode 3. Brad will be doing the honors on this one. Very interesting. There was plenty of heated debate in the writers' room while we were breaking this one."
I don't know whether to get excited about this or what. I'm not sure about a 'dark' Daniel...
If you could take a little time trip to this coming March and let me know if Granchild #3 is a girl or boy, I'd appreciate it. They couldn't tell; baby was all curled up and just wouldn't cooperate!
Hi Joe:
I'm also glad you and maybe some of the other writers/producers will be doing commentaries, I will be looking forward to hearing your views on the episodes you wrote. I am really interested in what's going on behind the scenes, how the special effects were done, or the problems trying to get them right. What had to be changed to fit the story, comments explaining how the sets were done, or special lighting or filming problems, stuff about the actors when they were filming, etc. etc. Since DVDs were developed, it's been so fascinating to be able to see and hear how an episode is put together and filmed, and I have so many questions about the process, without actually getting too technical, and I love it when a commentary can answer those questions and be entertaining and explain things a little. Giving us a glimpse into the world of filming Sci-Fi and and maybe some unknown behind the scenes stuff will be very welcome. Especially in comparison to the "less than stellar" commentaries we've had to occasionally listen to over the past few years.
I don't mind a mindless joke or "potty humor" on occasion, but defintely NOT for the entire commentary or for too many of the episodes. I hope if you have guests with you during the commentary, we'll hear from a variety, including the actors, guest stars, directors, technical experts, set directors, special effects wizards, etc. Whatever you do, it'll be a treat to hear from the writer's on what their actual vision was for the episode in comparison to what was done.
You guys are doing a great job this year, and can't wait for Season 10. I love all the new people and also still enjoy and delight in all the returning regulars. It's like an old and new family combining to make one big family. I think you've done a fantastic job of trying to weave the new characters in with the established characters and creating excitement and enthusiasm with the new story arcs while maintaining the character flow and background within the context of the "new" SG1.
I really don't understand the disparagement and maligning of the cast and storylines that takes place here. To see the actors villified and the writers villainized is just so sad, and I hope you know there are loads of us out here who appreciate that you all do your best to entertain us and I applaud all of you for what you accomplish each week.
Make a new blog entry, Joe. And while you're at it, tell Gateworld to change their poll to something that =all= fans can/will want to cast a vote in.
Deleted scenes on DVD's - yay! Will they just be under special features or will you be able to play them in the episode as an extended version - like a Directors cut? Always thought that'd be nice if scenes were only cut because of time.
I see people have told you about Tim Tams alot, but they haven't told you about Tim Tam Orgasms... and no, no... it's perfeclty innocent ;)
Involves biting off opposite corners of the tim tam and sucking hot chocolate through it like a straw til it meets your mouth and then you quickly eat the tim tam - with the centre being hot chocolatey and sort of disintegrated, in a nice way :) Apparently you can also do it with Penguin biscuits, but Tim Tams are recommended. You can pretty much use any drink for it as well; coffee, port... :D
Random observations from a fan of both Daniel and Sam, but not an uber one.
MS bashing by shippers at GW--Yes, some but not much. I've seen it, but mostly, it has been quelled by other fair-minded posters or mods.
Most of the Sam-Daniel bashing seems to be a retaliation kind of thing. The fans getting back at the other fans for daring to say they dislike the favored character.
I don't get the bashing of other forums. If you dislike the atmosphere, don't go there. Everyone has the right to like or dislike who or what they like and say so loudly :). Bringing it up here seems petty and starts up that whole retaliation thing. Of course, that could be exactly what the person intended so he/she can watch the puppets dance.
Bringing up the actors is pretty low class if you ask me. Slam the characters if you must, and it makes you feel better, but leave the actors out of it.
This unsolicited opinion brought to you by
IMO,
YMMV,
TGIF, and other initials.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled bashing.
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Since you mentioned the commentaries and although I know this isn't something you manage but can I please voice how irked I am that as of this moment on December 9, 2005, I have heard nothing with regard to a commentary for Threads.
I mean of ALL episodes...tying up loose ends from Jacob to Daniel to Teal'c to Sam...sooooo much happened here! It's a crime there's no commentary for this one episode...out of all the ones since commentaries started this is the ONE that should never have been overlooked!!!
Could you do a fan a favor and see if you can find out if there will ever be a commentary for this incredible episode (the longer version por favor)???
And since I'm already whining, may I push my good fortune and ask that it not all be technical (camera angles, lighting) but include some of the character development stuff too like from an actor's POV?
Thank you kindly,
Mary Beth
" imagine rooting for your favorite team for years. imagine wanting nothing but to see them win the pennant and win the world series. imagine *finally* seeing them in the pennant race, and then seeing them *very* close to winning and... and then the game is blacked out. did they win the pennant? did they make it to the world series? no one will tell you."
Imagine finding out that what you were watching all along was the ball boy and the water guy going about their business and they don't even like each other! Imagine growing up and learning to watch the real team actually playing the game they came to play. Imagine getting over yourself and accepting that the players who have been retired because they are too old, have lost interest or always were crap in the first place are gone and you are living in the past. Imagine a shipper with more than one brain cell.
Aw, forget it. Imagine world peace, it's more likely to happen and it would make John Lennon happy wherever he is.
Anonymous said...
Majorsal, do you have any pride or dignity left at all? Joe got your message the first 500 times. You're either going to get what you want or you're not. Begging over and over ain't going to change it; it's becoming pitiful. As Jack said, "the whining's starting to grate."//
Then Majorsal said...
i don't care. i have every right to talk about what i'm interested in. if you don't like reading my stuff (or whining), just skip all my posts.
Then I said...
I guess the answer to the dignity question would be a solid "no" then.
yeah asshole, I can see you haven't quite mastered the dignity thing either.
Anonymous said..."I don't get the bashing of other forums. If you dislike the atmosphere, don't go there. Everyone has the right to like or dislike who or what they like and say so loudly :)."
I don't think anyone is challenging the bashers’ right to hate any of the characters and express themselves freely. Most of the posts I have seen here just question the sanity of doing so. We all have the right to express our opinions and say what we want (as long as it is not libelous or slanderous). But to focus so much of your life on hating a fictitious character cannot be healthy for your psyche. And to suggest places like OS, Solutions, and Sony are impartial forums that embrace all the characters and all fans is just fallacious.
And in response to Daniel bashing on GW - it happens so rarely that I have yet to see an instance of it. Yes, there are some discussions about the direction of his character. But none of these discussions suggest that his character is a waste of space and is responsible for every mistake and evil thing ever to happen on the show. Compare that to OS, Solutions, and Sony where the bashing of Sam (and her fans, and shippers, and even AT) is many of the posters' favorite pastimes and a daily occurrence.
Like you mentioned - at GW, if a poster says something about an actor, other posters or a moderator step in to defend that actor. At these other boards, there are so few rules regarding conduct that bashers have found safe havens to congregate. And since they are such unpleasant places to visit for anyone who doesn't worship Daniel, there are very few other fans there to defend the other characters. And when a few brave souls dare to try to defend the bashed character, they are attacked and sometimes forbidden from posting again.
Your advice is sound. Sensitive people should not visit these places if they find them unpleasant. But just as the bashers have a right to bash a character and that character's fans, I would argue that I and the others here have the right to suggest that their behavior is excessive and bordering on being emotionally unstable.
HI Joe
I've just watched The Hive and Ephiphany and I have to say that they are great eps. I enjoyed them very much and I'm looking forward to the rest of Season 2 and Season 3 of Atlantis.
Atlantis rocks!!!!
Your advice is sound. Sensitive people should not visit these places if they find them unpleasant. But just as the bashers have a right to bash a character and that character's fans, I would argue that I and the others here have the right to suggest that their behavior is excessive and bordering on being emotionally unstable.
Sure you have the right to say it, but what makes your actions any different?
Want to explain how this is not bashing someone? Explain what makes you saying that people are emotinally unstable for not behaving in a manner you approve of is different than bashing or is better, more emotinally stable?
You are no different then anyone you are attempting to pass judgement on by your comments. You can justify and rationalize yourself all you want, but it doesn't take away from you being no different. You are just as much an emotionally unstable person if you have to condemn people who don't conform to your standards or follow your rules.
Hi Joe. I didn't just watch the Hive and Epiphany, but I have seen them. And, sorry to inform you, they do not rock. As far as episodes go, those two are some of the weakest I've had to ever endure from Stargate, even grading on what I like to call the dumbed-down Atlantis curve.
There were more plot holes and inexplicable, unmotivated actions in the Hive than in all of the other Atlantis episodes put together. You guys once again have made the Wraith appear as campy, brutish morons who could never, ever have defeated the Ancients. Well, they could never have defeated the Ancients you created in SG-1. The ones featured in Atlantis are decidedly challenged when it comes to, well, just about everything. So, good job on consistency there.
And please, stop writing SG-1 ripoffs all of the time. Epiphany was a horrendous copy of Hundred Days. The only thing it did was illustrate how much better these stories play out when SG-1's stronger actors do them. Guess what? Joe Flannigan is no Richard Dean Anderson. And I love how the rest of the cast has so much to do lately. Phew, you're really showing all those critics of the Mckay/Sheppard hour now. Cripes, Critical Mass was the best episode in a really long time, and you needed more guest characters from SG-1 than I ever believed you could fit into a single episode. What does that say about the strenth of Atlantis nowadays?
I cringe at the thought of Grace Under Pressure next week. More help from SG-1 to make it through an episode, huh?
anonymous "Sony" said:
You are no different then anyone you are attempting to pass judgement on by your comments. You can justify and rationalize yourself all you want, but it doesn't take away from you being no different. You are just as much an emotionally unstable person if you have to condemn people who don't conform to your standards or follow your rules.
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I just have to say that it takes a special person to post on the Internet about one's fave show all the time, so let's face it: We're all in the same boat in that regard. ;)
But when it comes to the behavior and conduct of CERTAIN people on CERTAIN forums, the atmosphere IS hostile and hypocritical.
They are a small (yet vocal) minority, who've managed to single-handedly create havoc within the fanbase. We're all at fault when we rise to the bait, but the fact of the matter is, a large majority of Stargate fans are NOT welcome on these public venues, and it's very disturbing.
~ DoS/the dancer of spaz/Cassandra/LSPDF
I belong to a number of fandoms and I've never come across a more negative nasty bunch of fans than I have in the SG fandom. For people who are supposed to be fans of the show you sure are very negative about it. One has to wonder why some of you even bother watching if you have so many negative feelings about the show.
Me I love Stargate and will continue to enjoy each and every episode.
I expect this post will be attacked too but then that's what I've come to expect in Stargate fandom.
I'll still enjoy the show though and none of your nastiness will stop me from that.
I think Atlantis is a wonderful show all on it's own and I'm certainly enjoying Season 2 and can't wait for the rest of the eps.
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I expect this post will be attacked too but then that's what I've come to expect in Stargate fandom.---
Well said :) I love the series too. For example, I think I didn't just watch and love the first 5 eps of SG1 Series 9 - I inhaled them! Having the opportunity to provide feedback and thoughts about the series in a commmunity spirit way is definitely a great idea - but sometimes when I read the comments here my faith in humanity takes a knock. So nice to read your message, and I hope you don't suffer any slings and arrows for it:)
Hola Joe
I returned from Iraq at the end of October and have been eagerly catching up on season nine. Only need to see TPTB and Fourth Horseman. I thought that they're would be more on Sam's not exactly line in the next episode, like the way there's a little about the new Dr. Lam and Gen. Landry each week. What's up?
thnx,
Co154PFC
The good news is Sam and Daniel have very passionate strong fanbases, and TPTB know this.
The very few fans who continually bash Sam or Daniel (and sometimes unfortunately the actors themselves) should be ignored. (Same goes for fans who bash Mitchell and Vala and sometimes the actors).
I think TPTB are happy that Sam and Daniel are well supported by strong fanbases.
I'm looking forward to the second half of season 9 and season 2!!! Looks like some great stories coming up for us!!
Cathy
What a bunch of mindless sycophants.
Love the time-travel commentaries, Joe. Keep 'em coming...er, going...um...?
This dilemma leads me to suggest an invaluable resource next time you hop into your Wayback Machine. If you haven't already done so, go consult Douglas Adams' 'Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.' One of the five books in the trilogy (I'm too lazy to go & ascertain which one) includes a treatise on grammar & verb tense for the time traveler. Very funny stuff, especially for the scrivener in the know.
Another book recommendation: if you're in the market for a funny read in the history/music department, go find the memoirs of 19th-century French composer Hector Berlioz. Turns out the man was a serious smartass. (I just finished a 70-page master's thesis asserting that very fact.) It's probably even funnier in the original French, but they never offered French immersion in elementary school here in North Carolina, so I have to take the word of others on that front.
Cheers, & all the usual kudos re: the Stargate universe.
Happy Camper Barb.
"But when it comes to the behavior and conduct of CERTAIN people on CERTAIN forums, the atmosphere IS hostile and hypocritical."
Absolutely...and I'm amazed Joe's Blog has devolved in such a way.
The conduct on Joe's blog has devolved right along with Joe's own personal internet conduct. As he treats fans from all quarters with a growing amount of contempt and disrespect the people who post these comments do the same to both Joe and the others who comment here. Reap what is sown...and all that.
I have to agree with the sentiments of the "reap what is sown" poster . . . .
Jim
It's become a bad situation for everyone involved, I guess...
~DoS
Fights about which actor should have more camera exposure than others really bores me and at the end, it's all what's the hating is all about.
the arrival of 4 new characters with a lot of dialogs for any of them, including a new leader, 2 nice looking chicks and a whole set of talented actors made girls loving michael shanks and kids loving sam insecure. they feel they gonna see less of their favorite character.
it's funny how you don't see any teal'c fans here. maybe he has no fans, or, maybe he has fans that think the story should be above the actors.
i don't care if the additionnal crew means less monologues for a few, it's all about the damn crew.
Anyhow, about the time travel blogs, i don't know if it's here to test its implementations in the show on fans, but i would recommend to be careful.
when it's well done, it's great and add depth to the serie. else it can kill a serie in less than half a season (aka star trek).
Another french fan... sorry.
Just appear there to precise one thing : the french serie is called "Kaamelot", not "CAMELOOT"...
Hey Joe,
Talking of the future, I'm hoping (as are all S.T.A.K.S members) that there's going to be a decrease in the number of Shep's female interests. I mean, he's not Captain Kirk.
On a side note, the Asterix Park in Paris is amazing... if you ever do a French City Con!
Tracy Jane (Spokesperson for S.T.A.K.S)
Another example of mindless false statements. TDOS called me
+anonymous "Sony" said:+
I've never been to the Sony boards. So you are making a false statement about me. You decided that anyone who doesn't agree with you automaticely comes from a forum where there is behavior that doesn't meet your standards. I think you need to get a grip and open your eyes.
Not a sony person said: “You are no different then anyone you are attempting to pass judgement on by your comments. You can justify and rationalize yourself all you want, but it doesn't take away from you being no different. You are just as much an emotionally unstable person if you have to condemn people who don't conform to your standards or follow your rules.”
Sorry...just have to point this out. Telling someone who makes an insignificant and understandable mistake to “get a grip” is not my idea of being a civil and considerate fan (but that’s just one of my own standards). In a way, you are just as guilty as you accused me of being. From what I can tell, DOS did not call you any names or insult you in any way. She merely made a mistake, one that many would have made. When she made her comment, you were engaged in defending the other boards and the fans that hang out there. Many might have mistakenly assumed you also hang out at those boards. You could have simply corrected DOS and went on your way. But you chose to call her statement “mindless” and then proceeded to tell her to open her eyes and get a grip. Hypothetically, this is not just because she called you a ‘Sony,’ but because you do not agree with her views. IMO, this suggests that you have your own standards of conduct and rules and resort to name calling when people do not meet up to them.
By the way, we all have standards of conduct that we expect people to meet up to. When people fall short of those standards, do we have the right to call them on it? Certainly. And it certainly doesn’t make us “emotionally unstable” when we do so. In every society there is, or should be, accountability. If we had no standards and no accountability, the world would be a very scary place (kind of like the Sony forum).
BTW- I never claimed to be emotionally stable. I'm here, after all. ;)
Are we even going to see any Unas? Do the Ori want other races (like the Unas) to worship them aswell? Would the Unas even understand Ascension? Can they ascend?
Sorry, I don't read the forums so I dunno if this has been discussed or anything I'm just curious....
8When she made her comment, you were engaged in defending the other boards and the fans that hang out there. Many might have mistakenly assumed you also hang out at those boards.8
That then was her second mistake, or maybe yours. I wasn't defending those boards at all. There is nothing to defend. People go there and express the opinoins they have the right to express based on how they feel about it. People come here and to Gateworld to do the same thing.
I was pointing out that if you want to engage in the same behavior of expressing your opinion in an unmoderated place where you can trash other people without consequences then you are no different then they are. You don't have the authority to impose your rules and standards on anyone else. If you really think you are playing by the rules of decency go to a forum with moderation and rules and make your statement about others who don't post their opinons the way you think they should and calling them emotionally unstable and see if you really are playing by the common rules of decency as you see them.
Otherwise you are no better than anyone else on ANY forum.
You are just as much an emotionally unstable person if you have to condemn people who don't conform to your standards or follow your rules.
Personally, I think it is quite legitimate to identify some opinions as extreme and/or hateful. I think most fundamentalist religious zealots (of any religion) are a bit off their rockers. Do they have a right to those opinions? Sure (as long as they aren't blowing people up for believing differently), but that doesn't stop me from pointing out that I think their beliefs are extreme, and they often border on the unhealthy, not only for themselves but those around them.
Does that make me emotionally unstable? I don't think so. I think it means I embrace a more open-minded view of the world that doesn't focus quite so much on hate and an "us vs them" mentality. Does condemning hate make me a hateful person, too? I certainly hope not. When extremism and hatred is not appropriately labeled for what it is, it risks becoming acceptable and mainstream.
"First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me."
- Pastor Martin Niemöller
The Sony boards are not Nazi Germany. And SG-1 fandom is hardly a life or death part of my reality. But I don't want to live in a world where it is unacceptable to label extremism for what it is. On the Sony boards, there is a very vocal group of people who focus a lot of hatred towards Sam Carter, and more importantly, Amanda Tapping, and their attitude permeates the whole forum. Do I hate these people? Certainly not. But I believe it is perfectly appropriate to label their posts for what they are. The same holds true for anyone spewing hatred for Daniel Jackson or, particularly, Michael Shanks. It holds true anywhere, anyplace. Hate is just bad for humanity, in the Middle East, on the street, in the office, in Stargate fandom.
Why are people using Joe's blog as a place to wage their petty battles?
Not from sony said:
"Otherwise you are no better than anyone else on ANY forum"
Except you. I'm waaaaay better than you.
Um, Grace Under Pressure. Just saw it. Wow. That was bad. You must have known for months that you'd be lambasted for such a poor script. I'm so looking forward to more crossovers next year. In fact, please do put Amanda Tapping on Atlantis. Her ability to act well in spite of horrendously written material may help to distract me from the overall shallowness of the scritps.
I mean, wow! Whose idea was that?
not from sony said: “I was pointing out that if you want to engage in the same behavior of expressing your opinion in an unmoderated place where you can trash other people without consequences then you are no different then they are.” “Otherwise you are no better than anyone else on ANY forum.”
I just want to let you know that I did not post the anonymous message directed at you above this one, although considering that you think I’m an emotionally unstable person that lacks common decency you probably won’t believe me. I would never tell a person that I am better than them just because they criticize me, nor would I argue that I am better than anyone else on any forum (I don’t remember doing so). We all have faults and we all have strengths. I’m sure many of the bashers are very good people in their normal lives. I’m sure they have families that love them and are kind to animals, etc. They might even be "better" than me in real life. But they also have some major faults (as we all do). If someone points out one of our major faults, one that might be detrimental to our emotional health, should we interpret that to mean they are “trashing” us and that their criticisms hold no merit? Or should we take some of their criticisms as a sign that there are things about ourselves that we can improve upon?
You made a legitimate criticism of me and I would never accuse you of “trashing” me. I thank you for pointing out what you perceive to be my faults. After careful reflection, I respectfully disagree. I am not going to convince you of my justifications and you will continue to think the worst of me. That’s fine. Do I feel guilty for posting what I did about excessive and hatemongering fans? Well, I am sorry that we had to hash this out on Joe’s blog and I agree with DOS – I shouldn’t have risen to the bait. But I stand by everything I said and my right to say it and to say it in any venue that is made available for such criticisms (both moderated and unmoderated). I would also suggest that this debate should be brought to an end – unless you want the last word, which you are more than welcome to.
Sorry Joe, but I have to agree with the guy above. Grace Under Pressure is the epitome of everything wrong with Atlantis. I'm sure the 15 yr olds enjoyed it, but I doubt anyone else will. And, just for the record, this is why people think you're mysoginistic. Poor Amanda Tapping.
GUP - sorry, sorry state of affairs - I really hope there is better in store for the once respected Lt. Colonel Carter and not just fanboy, live out the childish fantasies stories and degredation as witnessed in this unbelivably bad show. Joe - when will you and the other PTB stop with the demeaning of this character?
Alex M
Joe,
Just "magically" saw GUP and really felt the need to come on here again and tell you that this is exactly why everyone is so terrified of more crossovers. This episode was deplorable. It takes some real balls to call this an Atlantis episode. Ronon, Teyla, and Beckett are nowhere to be seen, Weir once again has nothing to do and makes no impact, and the entire story (what little there was) is again reduced to the McKay Happy Hour with his little buddy Shep. Not to mention the fact that there wasn't a shred of originality in the entire episode, which seems to be an alarming trend with Atlantis. Compared to Grace, this one is a farce.
Amanda Tapping is a great actress and Carter is one of the strongest female characters in genre history, but when she enters the story half your regular cast takes the week off. This whole cast is already woefully underdeveloped, and while I'm delighted to see an episode featuring Amanda Tapping and her, um, assets, it doesn't exactly qualify as "making full use of the character's potential". Your words there, not mine. If this is what is in store for Season Three when Daniel and Carter come to play, then please forgive me for saying that two seasons of Atlantis seem like too many.
Trevor, RAF
8But I believe it is perfectly appropriate to label their posts for what they are.8
Waht they are? Who are you to make a judgement about what people are saying. Just because you see it as hate or whatever doesn't mean it is. Do you ask these people if they are expressing hate for someone real like Amanda Tapping or are you just assuming it because things are being said in a manner you disapprove of.
There is a big difference between someone telling you that is EXACTLY what they mean and you making assumptions and putting things on them that are not true. Passing judgement on someone based on your ASSUMPTIONS does the cliched two things--makes an a$$ out of you and everyone else.
If you believe that hate or something more detrimental to Amanda Tapping is truly being posted by these people, contact the moderator of the forum and report it. Back your report up with real proof.
Otherwise all your remarks and the things you want others to believe are based on hearsay and assumption about other people.
This is not to say you have to agree with them or their opinons. You don't have to like what they say. I does mean that if you are going to label them 'hatemongers' it better be on something more substantial than your assumptions of what you think they are doing or saying.
Okay...I have to say I loved GUP. It was just fabulous.
David was brilliant as was Amanda. It was fun seeing her as another "not quite Carter"...Delusion!Sam was almost as funny of a not quite Carter as Geek!Sam of Moebius was. What was also funny was how he knew her well enough to suspect even his delusion of her coming on to him was doing so for ulterior motives. Poor McKay...even his dreamt up version of Sam wasn't interested. ;)
I'm a bit confused by those who say this reflects badly on Sam or on ship, since this was not Sam but rather McKay's deluded version of her. Now if it were REALLY Sam, that'd be a different story altogether.
I'm just delighted that we have more scenes between Amanda and David as I thoroughly enjoy watching them play off each other and it was the next best thing to actually having Carter there.
Which begs the question of how will he treat her when he sees her again for real? First of all, I don't think Ford deleted any of his longwinded recording so Sam probably heard all of it. I'd love it if she tweaked him a little about it when she saw him again and now, after his experiences with Delusion!Sam...well it all makes for a potentially funny reunion.
Mary Beth
Well, my reaction has nothing to do with any "ship". But like Trevor said above, there was absolutely nothing to this story. I've had my fill of the much touted Carter/Mckay dynamic. It was unoriginal by the time Mobius rolled around, and it is even more out of place now that Mckay has supposedly "grown" as a character. The temptation to write these meaningless scenes between the characters just to fill time is holding both characters back. Mckay needs to interact with members of his own team, not fantasize about a woman he's never going to have a chance with (god willing).
I guess I'm just fed up with humour that isn't funny. And that seems to be all we're getting anymore.
Sorry, Mary Beth, but I can't find much to rave about in GUP either. It's just another episode where TPTB reduce Sam to nothing more than a sex object. Though I will say that I think Rodney comes off looking worse. But the fact is it wasn't a great episode for either character. Just really disappointed. Again.
Well, I thought Grace Under Pressure was ok. It was really a filler episode. I am, however, very worried that there apparently wasn't room for the majority of the Atlantis cast in this episode. That's exactly the fear many of us have when it comes to crossovers, and it appears to be valid.
I must say, Joe, so far the second half of Atlantis' second season hasn't impressed me at all. Decent actors can only hide bad writing for so long, and it seems that that time has run out.
atlantis fan said:
It's just another episode where TPTB reduce Sam to nothing more than a sex object.
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Hi!
I was just wondering when TPTB have done that to Sam before... A woman who dates, yes. But a sex object? I'm not so sure about that one.
However, as an Atlantis/SG-1 fan, I definitely see how soley Atlantis fans would be irked about this development. It essentially DOES prove that TPTB aren't really interested in utilizing any members of the SG-1 cast, without marginalizing the Atlantis crew.
The same could be said in relationship to the Farscape stars who've come on board this year...
I know there are only so many minutes in an ep, but you'd think they'd be able to show everybody SOMEWHAT evenly.
~DoS
GUP, well, that one was weird. But not enough of the good kind of weird. It seemed like the point of the episode was to get AT naked. Oh, and lest we forget for even just one week thanks for reminding us what a git Rodney is. Carter is a kick ass soldier, amazing scientist, and leader in Rodney's own field of expertise. Yet all he thinks of her as is a pair of tits. Nice. Maybe next week, just to be fair to us ladies, you could expose Ronon's, um, you know, manhood. Not a good idea? Well this one wasn't either.
Jamie Desten, aka RDAfan
GUP--I expected more. More actual character exploration, more insight into Mckay, more.....anything. As it is it had nothing but a ripped off SG-1 storyline, crazy plot contrivances (Griffin just sacrifices himself??? WTF?), and some predominantly unfunny dialogue. What, did it take Gero about an hour to write this one? I've got to tell ya, I've read fanfiction that has better Carter/Mckay interaction than this episode did.
This one was pure fluff, a waste an episode and a waste of money. Not to mention a waste of characters. Teyla? Ronan? Beckett? Even Weir? I'd like to think that they weren't in this because they were filming some big episodes at the same time, some episodes where those characters will be featured. But that's not going to happen, is it?
Seriously, if Carter coming to Atlantis is going to result in every character other than Mckay being sidelined, well, things are already enough like that without Carter around. It seems like everyone's fears about crossovers are dead on.
And if this is all you can write for Carter/Mckay is some impotent sexual tension, then just skip any future episodes that feature this dynamic altogether.
Bah! What a waste of an episode. Poorly done.
To when you assume -
Just to let you know. I am the person who used the term "hatemongers." And I do have proof - there's just not enough room here to post the pages and pages of personal attacks on AT and the bashing of the Sam character that are carried out by the same small group of people on various different forums and sites on the web. If you want proof, maybe you should actually go and examine the forums that are being criticized before assuming that my and other people's criticisms are unjustified. Do your own research if this concerns you so much. I already have and I base my criticism on what I have seen.
Why don't I report posts? I refuse to join a forum that I think is a bastion of hatemongering. Why support a forum that obviously has very few rules and allows bashing to go on continuously? You can't really report a post for bashing a character or actor if you are not a member of the forum. But I will be sure and email the moderators and the owners of the sites about my concerns. I'm sure they will be very receptive. Thanks for the advice. ; )
The real reason I am posting is this: the only one here making assumptions is you. You wrongly attributed a quote to me that I did not post. I did not say, "But I believe it is perfectly appropriate to label their posts for what they are." Although, I do agree with everything that poster so eloquently said (I wish I were that good with words). You shouldn't just assume people who post similar arguments are one and the same person. And you shouldn't attack someone in such a way for stating their opinions just b/c they are different from your own. The person you initially quoted never used the term "hatemonger" and thus you have made an "a$$" (as you put it) out of yourself.
I am not going to assume that you are the same person as "not from Sony." Though you both have very similar wording and spelling errors and use the number eight instead of quotes - how odd. I am just going to say this – the debate is over. Your arguments have grown stale and are frankly boring me. Continue to attack me all you want. Just leave other people who are just here expressing their opinions out of it. Oh…and how will you know which “anonymous” to attack in the future? Well, just to make it easy for you, I’m not going to post on this blog anymore.
well there seem to be some negative comments here about GUP (along with some positive ones), but in the actual thread for the episode, it looks like it is pretty well received so far. Maybe another good one for Martin Gero.
I liked GUP and anyone who disagrees with me can FOAD. Is that blunt enough? :D
Hi there Joe - regarding gup and beyond -were all of the writers, directors, producers and showrunners asked to check their intelligence and brains at the door and replace them with their pe oops - libidos - for season 9? Can we expect the same for S10 - especially with the big V joining full-time? Sooo much opportunity for the non-thinking man's libido - what will you all do with the overflow of ideas?
The Big V?!?!?
Priceless...
Yeah, but how many of those people in the episode thread are beyond the fangirl/fanboy aspects of it? They "squee" (whatever the hell that means) about how great it was for David Hewlett or Rodney Mckay out of one half of their mouths while mumbling over the episode's faults out of the other. No plot, no character development, no growth for Mckay, no inclusion of the Atlantis cast, nothing. But they don't care because, "Squee, I LOVE Hewlitt".
McKay's going to be exactly the same next week, which makes this episode one giant exercise in tittilation and orgiastic buffoonery. I'm not really sure what the point of it was....which is a common theme in Atlantis anymore. Nothing happens, nothing changes, nothing gets solved. The characters just bungle their way through one mishap after another with no consequences save that ever increasing string of dead redshirts. It's the most low-brow, cheapest thrill Stargate has ever gone for. I shudder to think what the response for this episode would have been had it been served up on SG-1. NO ONE would have liked it, and that so many Atlantis fans pretend to in order to feed their psychoses about how "cool" all things Stargate must be is a sad commentary on just how far fans have lowered their expectations of the show. I guess I'm just not a true fan, wanting the show to be substantive and meaningful and well written all at the same time. I guess I should FOAD. Very classy with that one, Agent Dark. Lose the insecurities and then talk to me. Child.
Way to fail at the sarcasm tiger...
Seriously... And I thought I had a stick up my ass...
anonymous said:
I shudder to think what the response for this episode would have been had it been served up on SG-1. NO ONE would have liked it, and that so many Atlantis fans pretend to in order to feed their psychoses about how "cool" all things Stargate must be is a sad commentary on just how far fans have lowered their expectations of the show. I guess I'm just not a true fan, wanting the show to be substantive and meaningful and well written all at the same time.
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I love how you call someone a child for their (sarcastic) remark, but you're very serious in your rather condescending view of the opinions of other fans. What makes them pretending?
I mean, I obviously don't agree with Sonies or their Advocates, but I'm not narcissistic enough to actually believe they're PRETENDING. Come ON...
OK, so you're not a child. Fabo. You're a seasoned, old nit with some serious anger management issues.
But let's lay off the happy-go-lucky Atlantis fans, mmmkay? They deserve their two seasons of bliss before they cross over to the Dark Side like us SG-1 fans, and if they like what they're getting, GREAT! More power to them. They may "wise up" on their views soon enough.
But please, in the interim, do get off your high horse and get a life.
~ the dancer of spaz
No plot, no character development, no growth for Mckay, no inclusion of the Atlantis cast, nothing.
Well who'da thunk? A Sam Carter episode with no character development. Who saw that coming, huh?
That several of the writers and producers of the shows can't get far enough past their inexplicable and adolescent ifatuation for a somewhat tubby, mediocre, middleaged actress has always guarenteed that epsiodes featuring her will require all other characters be written down to her level. Ho hum. At least now there's two shows to share the pain. Sorry about that, Atlantis fans but at least when she's stuffing up your show she hopefully won't be stuffing up ours. Good luck with that, y'all.
SG1 fan
Who needs to go to Sony for hatemongering when you can find it right here in the post above?
And I'm sure Joe is just about to jump to the defense of his longtime colleagues, just like he does for the new guys................any minute now............any minute...............ah, crap.
anonymous said:
Who needs to go to Sony for hatemongering when you can find it right here in the post above?
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Watch out! Someone might get offended for being lumped in the same group.
Joe, I'm an Atlantis fan, and a really big Teyla fan. And I'm really getting discouraged by the way Atlantis is going. Should I expect any other episodes where Teyla is nowhere to be found? Will she have anything at all to do this season? It just seems like Atlantis is the Mckay/Sheppard techno-action hour where those other mooks stand around and praise John and Rodney for their brilliance. Is there any episodes upcoming that don't feature those two? Not even Richard Dean Anderson had to have every episode focus on him. Man, do I miss his class.
I am not going to assume that you are the same person as "not from Sony." Though you both have very similar wording and spelling errors and use the number eight instead of quotes - how odd. I am just going to say this – the debate is over. 8Your arguments have grown stale and are frankly boring me. Continue to attack me all you want. Just leave other people who are just here expressing their opinions out of it. Oh…and how will you know which “anonymous” to attack in the future? Well, just to make it easy for you, I’m not going to post on this blog anymore.8
Waa, waa, waa your gonna pick up your toys and go elsewhere cause you can't make the rules and someone challenged you about it.
That's typical behavior for someone who can't stand the heat when the kitchen gets too hot for them.
Of course you don't want to join the Sony forum and try to effect some changes over the things you are complaining about, that would mean you can't play the self rightous victim anymore if you did something like that.
More typical behavior. Good bye and good riddance I say!
Well I'm sad to see that some people disliked Grace Under Pressure. I throroughly enjoyed it...but then I saw it to be just a great opportunity to have David and Amanda trade barbs again. I guess I mean to say I didn't take it seriously like I feel others might have.
That being said, it isn't something I'd love all the time for a couple reasons. Firstly, as an Atlantis fan, I'd hate it for Teyla et al to be sidelined too much. She, Ronon, Beckett and the rest of the gang have really grown on me.
Secondly, since Amanda didn't play Sam here she was able to take great liberties at portraying Rodney's delusion (and thus what she said/did had nothing to do with either Sam or ship as they were all figments of McKay's imagination)...but I'm scared that some people will confuse Delusion!Sam with real Sam (I don't have that problem but some might) and I'd hate to think that people will perceive Carter as less of the highly trained, brilliant and leading Air Force officer that she is and more as just a mouthpiece for sexual innuendo. Basically, I hope she's not dumbed down to please the lowest common denominator of fandom. Again, I recognize that Amanda wasn't playing Sam but some people have a problem differentiating a real character vs. a hallucination.
As for Rodney...it would have been neat if he had made some real, life changing decisions like Sam made in Grace; but then she was open and ready for some serious self-examination and Rodney isn't yet. Heck if realizing that his arrogance caused the decimation of the better part a solar system wasn't enough to give him pause, then certainly a bump on the head and a little alone time with Delusion!Sam wouldn't do it either. Now he made SOME determinations and realizations about himself thanks to Delusion!Sam (ie, his deep subconscious mind), but truly, how long will they last? Will he remember any of those lessons by the next episode?
Mary Beth
OMG this blog is out of control lol....lol
Yikes! The hostility here. I don't know whether to laugh or cry...
Hi! I wanted to get other opinions on the "significant loss" that we will see in the 200th episode. I just hope it isn't Jack, Sam, Daniel or Teal'c.... If it is significant and the actors are cast for the entire 10th season, I just really hope Jack isn't going to die......!!!!! I know he isn't coming back to the show (most likely) but him dying would be too sad to see......
Thank god there isnt a prime directive...