Hope everyone is enjoying the holidays. After three + weeks of non-stop writing, I've taken a break to entertain, read, and catch up on a couple of movies I've been meaning to check out. On the movie front, nothing but disappointments as I try to find a good comedy. To be perfectly honest, I can't remember the last time I watched a good, funny movie. Oh, yeah, now I remember. I think it was this last summer when I re-watched Planes, Trains, and Automobiles for perhaps the twenty-fifth time. I wondered if, maybe, I'm just too hard to please (because the guys at work have really enjoyed some recent movies that I just found, at best, fitfully amusing), but then I do enjoy a lot of comedy on t.v.: Curb Your Enthusiasm, Seinfeld re-runs, The Office [the original, natch], occasional episodes of The Simpsons and Family Guy. Its not like I'm necessarily looking for high-brow, intellectual fare, but when, for instance, a movie has to create a scenario whereby: Character A chooses to relieve himself off a balcony without, for reasons that are known only to him and the scriptwriter, bothering to check what's below, while Character B, who happens to be sitting below, through a series of contrivances, doesn't seem to realize what is happening... Well, you get the idea.
Good Christmas haul, especially for the dogs who managed to tear apart two of the twelve toys they received. For my part, I got some terrific cookbooks, running shoes that were a full size too small, "gourmet" chocolates my sister purchased in Montreal which included such interesting flavors as Blue Cheese, Basil, and Madras Curry (!) - and, no doubt, the best gift I received: the 2005 version of PC for PC's, a software program that can transform any script into a politically correct, thoroughly uncontroversial masterpiece. It says right on the box: "Guaranteed to re-format scripts to pat, inoffensive standards". I couldn't resist and ran my first draft of Morpheus through the program. The script came in at over 120+ pages because, it turned out, I had the "Nothing Left to the Imagination" option turned on. This option ensures that even a Bornean exchange student with no understanding of the English language will know exactly which character is where, doing what and, most importantly, why. The solution to the problem our characters face is immediately presented to the audience within the first five minutes in order to avoid the unpleasantness of mystery and having to wait forty-some minutes for the answer to ponderously reveal itself. Another reason for the high page count is that the team is never separated! Instead of having Daniel at the ruins deciphering Ancient script while Carter is in the lab working on a piece of tech as Landry is in his office talking to the Pentagon, the entire team gets to participate in all facets of discovery - watching while Daniel deciphers, looking on as Carter experiments, and squeezing into Landry's office for that call with the Pentagon. "But hang on!"you're probably saying. "This sounds like a pretty heavy Daniel-Carter-Landry episode. It sounds like Mitchell, Vala, and Teal'c will be doing nothing but standing around!" Well, here's good news. PC for PC's actually revises the dialogue, ensuring that each character has an equal amount of screentime. The beauty of the program is that, rather than counting lines or words, it actually provides a syllable count, ensuring that every character enunciates an equal amount of syllables in every episode. Certain words are automatically replaced to assure equality - for instance, Carter's: "I'm shocked!" might be revised to "I'm flabbergasted!", providing those three extra syllables necessary for uniformity. Also, kiss those "Who should be team leader?" debates goodbye because, thanks to PC for PC's, everyone gets to be team leader! Mitchell, Carter, Daniel, Teal'c, Vala - even fan favorite Walter Harriman gets to flex his command muscles. And, perhaps the best part of the program is that it removes any potential unpleasantness that might be deemed disrespectful to one of our main characters. No more: "Oh, Carter is in trouble. The writers are doing damsel in distress!" or "Oh, Daniel is captured. The writers are making him look vulnerable." Rather than traveling off-world and encountering problems that could present a danger to them, now, the team will travel off-world and "think" they've encoutered a problem that could present a danger to them - only, it turns out, that what they've encountered is neither dangerous nor problematic, but gloriously unexceptional. After the requisite 12 page tag scene in which our characters offer a detailed summary of the events we've just seen unfold, we go out on the closing credits which will be comprised of one enourmous card holding the names of everyone involved in the production, from show runner to on-set boot-scuffer. As the closing theme plays, the names will automatically change positions every quarter second in a thoroughly random pattern, again ensuring equality for all.
Spoke to Paul and he's busy working on episode 2 of Atlantis, the one where Beckett finds himself "trapped in the asylum when the inmates take over". He says he's having a great time for "that Star Trek alumni" who will be making a first appearance on Atlantis. Also on the Atlantis front, Rob is working on the sequel to the Atlantis episode he wrote while Brad has been working on the third episode of SG-1 as well as that wild (some will no doubt say "crazy") idea for the 200th episode, getting on it early as it will take some time to prepare for. Martin's got the McKay's sister story and Carl's working on the big two-parter that sees the introduction of the new big bads.
Made three flavors of ice cream for the holidays: Egg Nog, Vanilla-Almond, and Milk Chocolate with Shaved White Chocolate Toblerone. All successses, but the gang at work will have to wait until this Summer for Ice Cream Fridays to start up again.
Well, looks like the sun is coming out which means I can finally take those dogs for a walk. Keep those recipes coming!
Executive producer Joseph Mallozzi has been on the SG-1 writing
staff since Season Four. Along with writing partner Paul Mullie, Joe has
written such fan favorite episodes as "Window of Opportunity," "Summit,"
and "Lockdown." Joe lives in Vancouver, British Columbia. 
Wow! The first comment :) have a nice walk with your dogs!
Oh yeah, you'd love for that command debate to go away, huh? Everyone gets to lead according to PC for PCs, eh? Sounds like something you guys would write.
Does Siler get to lead, as well?
Any chance that "wild" and "crazy" idea for the 200th episode includes an appearance by Jack O'neill?
Will
Thanks for the laugh, Joe. I love your sense of humor:)
"Oh yeah, you'd love for that command debate to go away, huh? Everyone gets to lead according to PC for PCs, eh? Sounds like something you guys would write."
ZING!
"Does Siler get to lead, as well?"
Of course. Even Siler.
"Any chance that "wild" and "crazy" idea for the 200th episode includes an appearance by Jack O'neill?"
Different crazy idea.
Hey Joe, here's another recipe for you. It's sinfully delicious and very easy to make:
Potato Casserole
Pour a 2 pound bag of frozen hashbrown potatoes into a long casserole pan (I've always used cubed hashbrowns, but it probably doesn't matter)
Melt 1 stick of margarine or butter in a separate pan.
Into pan used to melt butter, stir:
1 can of cream of mushroom soup
1 pint sour cream
1 chopped onion
1 diced green pepper (optional)
2 cups shredded colby or montery jack cheese (or a mix of both)
Stir, then pour over potatoes and mix
Cover with a light layer of bread crumbs
Bake 350 degrees for 1 hour
Did you ever watch Space Above and Beyond? I followed it when it was showing... kind of a gritty, marines-in-space show. I honestly don't remember many details except liking it at the time. Oh, and being traumatized for days by the ending... but I noticed that it's out on DVD now.
Cheers,
Strix
Funny movies, you say?
Well if you appreciate Dave Barry humor, you might enjoy a flick called "Big Trouble" that I found extremely funny (just saw it a couple days ago). That, "Quick Change" and "Noises Off" are a few of my must-see comedies.
I'm still lookin' forward to a publishing of said ice cream recipes...heck, I posted one of my recipes after all. What's good for the goose and all that... ;)
I'm especially interested in the Toblerone one and any future recipes that might include maraschino cherries and chocolate. :D
Mary Beth
P.S...Does PC for PC's take into account character voices? I could be wrong but I just don't see Sam as an "I'm flabbergasted!" kinda gal. Perhaps that "True Character Voice" plug-in is only available in the upgrade...PC for PC 2.0.
Just come back from a walk on Kits Beach... are your dogs familiar with this one? It's pretty cool.
You said that Paul was working on a script for Atlantis... please, tell me that he's gonna spend more than two days on this one and won't write something like "the tower" which was the worst epiosde I've ever watched...
I've got a question concerning the scriptwriting thing... I was wondering if you guys had to sign a contract and were paid every week or month... OR if you were paid according to the amount of episode you're working on. ( I'm not asking for the amount of the cheque... I'm pretty sure it's way more than a PA ! )
Any chance we've got some characters developpement in season 3 of Atlantis? as in ... yes they are human, they have feelings, they have a past... and so on...
"Hey Joe, here's another recipe for you. It's sinfully delicious and very easy to make"
Thanks, Strix. I might give this one a try next week.
"you might enjoy a flick called "Big Trouble" that I found extremely funny (just saw it a couple days ago). That, "Quick Change" and "Noises Off" are a few of my must-see comedies."
Haven't seen them. Quick Change? Was that the one with Bill Murray? I've considered Noises Off, but have never been a fan of movies adapted from the stage.
"Just come back from a walk on Kits Beach... are your dogs familiar with this one?"
My dogs are more familiar with Kits Beach than I am since that's where our dog sitter takes them for their uber-walks.
"I was wondering if you guys had to sign a contract and were paid every week or month... OR if you were paid according to the amount of episode you're working on."
We sign contracts and are paid as producers. We are paid for scripts separately.
"Any chance we've got some characters developpement in season 3 of Atlantis?"
Yup. We've already got a couple of scripts in the works that will focus on the pasts/backgrounds of two of our team members.
Yup...Quick Change is the one with Bill Murray...
As for Noises Off...I agree with you in principle. Some films that come from the stage are not so good. This one, however, is just a riot. I challenge you to watch that one and let me know if you agree.
;)
No comment about my "PC for PC's 2.0" snarkage? The optional "True Character Voice" plug-in? Oy. I must be slipping...
Joe,
how much Vala's character will be toned down next season? I really hope for a serious changes and character development.
"I challenge you to watch that one and let me know if you agree."
Okay. I'm on it.
"No comment about my "PC for PC's 2.0" snarkage? The optional "True Character Voice" plug-in? Oy. I must be slipping..."
Actually, I didn't want to draw attention to your post as I was just off attempting to patent the idea.
"how much Vala's character will be toned down next season? I really hope for a serious changes and character development."
Vala's character will evolve. She'll essentially remain the character we've come to know, but will gain added depth.
Some people here at Gateworld suggest that next season Vala is going to be paired more with Cam in order to please Farscape fans. True or false?
Joe - you are amazingly funny - not.
"Some people here at Gateworld suggest that next season Vala is going to be paired more with Cam in order to please Farscape fans. True or false?"
False. Part of the fun of adding Vala to the mix will be in exploring her relationship with each member of SG-1.
BTW - no defense for Ms. Tapping - what's that about, only your boy Ben gets a defense when being unfairly attacked at a persoanl level?
False. Part of the fun of adding Vala to the mix will be in exploring her relationship with each member of SG-1.
Great to hear it. I love Claudia and Ben on Farscape, but here I really want to see something completely different :)
Next question: is Daniel going to apologize to Vala for his really nasty behaviour on board Prometheus in Beachhead? 'cause it's HIS fault she ended up in the Ori galaxy...
"Joe - you are amazingly funny - not."
Double zing! I haven't heard the "NOT" delivery in years. That takes me back. Please, don't tell me your next post won't include the term "23 skidoo!".
Joe, Could you confirm that Michael and Chris have signed on as regulars for season 10 and will also be members of SG-1. I know Sci-Fi said that everyone is coming back but I would feel better hearing it from you. I was also worried about Daniel and Tealc not being on the team anymore if the team can only have 4 members. You already confirmed that Amanda would be on the team so I am still concerned about the other 2 original team members. thank you
"Next question: is Daniel going to apologize to Vala for his really nasty behaviour on board Prometheus in Beachhead? 'cause it's HIS fault she ended up in the Ori galaxy..."
I don't think he'll apologize because he was reacting to the heat of the moment. Also, I think Vala ended up in the Ori galaxy because she chose to act.
"Joe, Could you confirm that Michael and Chris have signed on as regulars for season 10 and will also be members of SG-1."
Yup. Both Daniel and Teal'c will be members of SG-1 in season 10.
"I was also worried about Daniel and Tealc not being on the team anymore if the team can only have 4 members."
As Carter pointed out in Lockdown, there's nothing in the regulation that states an SG team has to be made up of four members.
Joe, any chance you could plug that PC software into your Atlantis scripts as well? That would stop Sheppard from sleeping with a good chunk of the women he encounters on offworld missions.
On second thought, the software would probably spit out a script where everyone on Atlantis sleeps with everyone else. Maybe you should save that sucker for the fourth season.
Last question before going to sleep (it's almost 1 am in my part of Europe): when exactly did Claudia find out that she's gonna be regular cast member in season 10, during filming Crusade/Camelot or earlier, during filming the first six episodes of season 9?
Joe.. you are frickin funny.. seriously!
Ever watched Little Britain? Whilst it's not quite high brow, makes for some brilliant voice immitation phrases for the office ;)
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Joe Mallozzi said:
"Different crazy idea."
Ah, sorry, I suppose the question can be read that way. When you wrote "idea" in your blog, I took it to refer to the entire episode, not just a particular idea or aspect of the episode. Anyway, same question phrased a little more broadly:
Any chance of Jack O'neill showing up in the 200th episode?
PS
And I don't really consider O'neill being in an episode that "wild" or "crazy" of an idea.
"Joe, any chance you could plug that PC software into your Atlantis scripts as well? That would stop Sheppard from sleeping with a good chunk of the women he encounters on offworld missions."
That Sheppard does get around, doesn't he? It must have something to do with the Ancient gene that makes him so darned irresistible.
Hi Joe:
Loved your latest blog, gave me a real laugh! Seriously, it's almost true, so many people here seem to want everything written into the script that they're interested in, and their own personal agenda addressed. I'm glad you don't take it too seriously. I'm just glad to be entertained and see actual writers make the decisions for the scripts, so I can just sit and see what happens and not worry about making the kind of decisions you guys have to make.
It's also nice to see you have a snarky sense of humor, I love that. It must be a prerequisite to work on Stargate, everyone MUST have a sense of humor! There's no other way the lot of you could deal with the craziness in the fan world.
I'm with you on the lack of laugh out loud funny in the comedies lately. I think the funniest movie I've seen in a long time, and it was years ago, was "My Cousin Vinny". Did you catch that when it was out? If not,be sure and watch it when you need a good laugh.
Lynn Starcher
"Last question before going to sleep (it's almost 1 am in my part of Europe): when exactly did Claudia find out that she's gonna be regular cast member in season 10, during filming Crusade/Camelot or earlier, during filming the first six episodes of season 9?"
I wasn't involved in the deal-making, but I assume she must have known near the back half of season 9.
"Actually, I didn't want to draw attention to your post as I was just off attempting to patent the idea."
Just remember me when the royalties start rolling in.
Oh...before I forget...in GW style, here's a poll for you.
What did you think of "Mary Beth's Sure-To-Please" Broccoli and Cheese Casserole?
a. I'm still in awe of its greatness
b. It was okay
c. It might be called "sure to please" but it sure didn't please me
d. I haven't gotten around to trying it yet...get back to me after the New Year
"What did you think of "Mary Beth's Sure-To-Please" Broccoli and Cheese Casserole?
a. I'm still in awe of its greatness
b. It was okay
c. It might be called "sure to please" but it sure didn't please me
d. I haven't gotten around to trying it yet...get back to me after the New Year"
D. I'll be eating leftovers until then.
"It's also nice to see you have a snarky sense of humor, I love that. It must be a prerequisite to work on Stargate, everyone MUST have a sense of humor!"
Actually, there are a lot of funny people working on Stargate but in front of and behind the camera. The time we spend joking and laughing could be used to produce a second spin-off.
Re: My Cousin Vinny. Yeah, that was one I watched years ago that I did enjoy,
"Any chance of Jack O'neill showing up in the 200th episode?"
There's always a chance but, to be perfectly honest, we haven't discussed guest-appearances for this episode yet.
"Ever watched Little Britain? Whilst it's not quite high brow, makes for some brilliant voice immitation phrases for the office"
On David Hewlitt's recommendation, I picked up the first season on DVD - but have yet to check it out.
"BTW - no defense for Ms. Tapping - what's that about, only your boy Ben gets a defense when being unfairly attacked at a persoanl level?"
I stepped in to present a counterpoint to people who are arguing show logic. Personal attacks on actors are worthless and not really worth addressing. For what its worth, I've often said that Amanda is a terrific actress with an often thankless role - that of the straight person, and the scientist who must deliver reams of exposition to advance the story yet always manages to do so strongly and convincingly.
I'll throw my highly weighty "annonymous" recommendation behind that too ;) It's worth it for Tony Head's prime minister.. but that would be my personal "Giles is sexy!" bias.
Are we going to see "Joe's greatest ice-cream hits" on sale @ the next Gate con, with proceeds aiding the development of "Inoffensive Script Writing" v3.01?
Cheers!
:)
Joe said:
"Yup. Both Daniel and Teal'c will be members of SG-1 in season 10."
Joe is Carter a member of SG1 in Season 10?
Thanks.
Liam
"Are we going to see "Joe's greatest ice-cream hits" on sale @ the next Gate con, with proceeds aiding the development of "Inoffensive Script Writing" v3.01?"
Maybe I'll include a couple of recipes in my next blog.
"Joe is Carter a member of SG1 in Season 10?"
yup.
Joe, of the 6 (how many along are you exactly?) episodes pitched out so far for season 10 how many are about hte Ori and how many are Gouald or stand alones?
Joe Said:
"There's always a chance but, to be perfectly honest, we haven't discussed guest-appearances for this episode yet."
Oh, well, in that case, allow me to forward a suggestion.....Richard Dean Anderson would make a crackin' guest star. Or, day I say it, Special Guest Star.
We miss you at Solutions Joe. Coming back anytime soon?
Joe, just a question for my curiosity...
How many regular script writers were working on SG1 when ATLANTIS wasn't here yet... and how many now that the two shows are on?
Let's stop talking about ice cream and bring the real subject on
NUTELLA ! I heard you were addicted to this one too... wasn't it too hard to see this 3kg nutella jar that Martin Wood had in his office?? Without even having the chance to dig your hand in it? .... I know the feeling...
Will second the recommendation of Noises Off. I saw it a few years ago (maybe more than a few) and it was terrific. Good fluffy fun and it isn't bogged down with scatalogical humor, which seems to be the staple of most comedies these days.
Oh and you absolutely MUST get your hands on a copy of Nothing. Veers more into the gross humor, but it's HYSTERICAL. And David Hewlett is, of course, fabulous. ;)
Hmm. Other than Stuck on You and Fever Pitch, I can't recall any fun modern comedies (and I was a bit biased towards liking those two). I'll have to go through my collection and see if I have anything else. Harvey, of course, and Desk Set and Bringing Up Baby... I have to have something more current...
Hey Joe,
Did some Googling and found an extension for the PC sofware component; it's called RBGXPress (Rectifying Bad Goodbyes). Made by group called WELUVJO. It basically looks at all characters of Stargate over the past 8.5 years and rates them based on their contributions to saving the word and degree of pleasure they provided the audience. (Yeah...can't figure out how the darned thing works -- technology). At any rate, when one leaves the show, it measures silences, words not spoken, tributes not given, explanations muddled and in will write proper dialog, tributes, inserting them into the episodes in the proper places in future episodes. The Preferences allows the user to insert them frequently, infrequently, or just once. Cool hey?
Cost is $79.95, but I think they'd give you a discount!!!
PI
"Joe, of the 6 (how many along are you exactly?) episodes pitched out so far for season 10 how many are about hte Ori and how many are Gouald or stand alones?"
Of the first six episodes that are presently being written (and there's no guarantee they'll air in this order), its an even 3 and 3.
"We miss you at Solutions Joe. Coming back anytime soon?"
I'll be swinging by either tomorrow or the day after.
"How many regular script writers were working on SG1 when ATLANTIS wasn't here yet... and how many now that the two shows are on?"
Prior to Atlantis there were 6 of us. After Atlantis, 7. Give or take.
"NUTELLA ! I heard you were addicted to this one too... wasn't it too hard to see this 3kg nutella jar that Martin Wood had in his office??"
Yeah. Martin always points it out whenever I'm in his office.
"Other than Stuck on You and Fever Pitch..."
I'm assuming you're a Red Sox which would account for the latter. But...Stuck on You?
"Did some Googling and found an extension for the PC sofware component; it's called RBGXPress [...] Cost is $79.95, but I think they'd give you a discount!!!"
What?!
Well I have a three kg nutella jar coming from France any time soon... I have no intention to give it to Martin... (He already had too much)*hint hint*
We noticed that some stories were not written by the "regular" writers, do you easily accept scripts from the outside? ( I'm not talking about fan sending scripts, but professionals)
Ooh, you're back. Goodie! You talk about a new big bad on Atlantis. Do the Wraith already know about this new enemy? Are they enemies with them too?
And on the SG1 front:
Who's going to be filling in those director holes this year? Brad Turner? Ken Girrotti? Bill Gereghty?
The Dish or The Castle if you're after some quality Aussie comedy films. "Tell him he's dreamin'" :D :D
Over on the Lantis side of things, are we ever going to see some Teyla and Weir bonding/friendship moments (Same Q for SG1 as well really - with Sam, Vala and Lam)? Because after the decision to kill off Janet :( :( Stargate has kinda been lacking on the female friendship stuff. We know you guys like to write the guys bonding with each other, but can we get an episode that isnt about Shep and McKay and has a Teyla and Weir A-Plot?
Oh, and any chance of putting a previous script (like from S4 or 5) through your program and posting it for us? Purely for shits and giggles of course :D
Oops, forgot to sign mine above Agent Dark's.
B. Rudge
PS
Any plans to have RSF back in season three?
Ok, since everybody is asking. Is Mitchell still going to be on SG1 for season 10? Is Vala going to be on SG1? :D
"We noticed that some stories were not written by the "regular" writers, do you easily accept scripts from the outside? ( I'm not talking about fan sending scripts, but professionals)"
Not really. Inviting an outsider to pitch is a long process in which: 1) we are approached by an agent, and then, provided the writer is of interest 2) we read his or her writing samples and, provided their writing samples are strong 3) they are invited to pitch, and provided their pitches engender some interest, 4) they are contracted to write an outline, and if they do a good job on the outline, 5) They are asked to write the script and provided they write a good script 6) They may be asked to pitch more ideas, write more scripts, or even come on staff. But, to be honest, it rarely happens. More often than not, when you see a name you don't recognize on the credits, it usually means the writer came up with a good idea but, for whatever reason, didn't come through on the script.
"You talk about a new big bad on Atlantis. Do the Wraith already know about this new enemy? Are they enemies with them too?"
They'll be a surprise for all very concerned parties.
"And on the SG1 front:
Who's going to be filling in those director holes this year?"
The director schedule has yet to be finalized.
"Over on the Lantis side of things, are we ever going to see some Teyla and Weir bonding/friendship moments (Same Q for SG1 as well really - with Sam, Vala and Lam)?"
Its likely we'll get some bonding/friendship moments between the female characters, especially in the case of Vala and Carter who may well be working closely together in the very near future.
"Oh, and any chance of putting a previous script (like from S4 or 5) through your program and posting it for us?"
Sure. Name the episode.
"Any plans to have RSF back in season three?"
No plans of yet, but its still early.
Sure. Name the episode.
Ok, how about Scorched Earth? :D
Looking at one particular spoiler pic indicates an ominious end for Bratack. Will he be in season 10?
"Looking at one particular spoiler pic indicates an ominious end for Bratack. Will he be in season 10?"
Hmmm. Good question.
hey joe, thanks for taking the time to answer all our questions, it was very helpful.
we'll probably have some more later on, but it's time to watch TV! (only 6 o'clock and all dark in Vancouver, how sad is that)
Talking about TV, do you watch "Grey's Anatomy" ???
Considering that I consider Avalon I, Avalon II, Arthur's Mantle, Crusade, and Camelot to be heavily Arthurian, would you say that Season 10 will be more, less, or equally based on these legends?
Joe, Have you thought of writing a good Sam and Daniel episode for season 10? I miss the deep friendship between the two of them on screen. I think Michael and Amanda have great chemistry together. I really enjoyed them in Mobius. Thanks
"Talking about TV, do you watch "Grey's Anatomy" ???"
Can't do medical shows. Or lawyer shows. I've fulfilled my lifetime quota.
Joe, you are just too funny sometimes :p Love your sense of humor...
As for Uber's recomendation for Noises Off I second it... it's one of the movies with Finding Nemo... yep... Finding Nemo that has made me P... my P... LOL...
I wonder what your wonderfull program would do with a Ship applet... hmmm....
"Considering that I consider Avalon I, Avalon II, Arthur's Mantle, Crusade, and Camelot to be heavily Arthurian, would you say that Season 10 will be more, less, or equally based on these legends?"
Hard to predict what one fan will consider more, less, or equal. In my opinion, I'd say some episodes will be equal and others will be definitely less. Maybe a couple could even fall into the more category.
So Joe did you get the chance to watch Serenity or was that one of your disapointments? I've seen it twice in the movie theatre and twice since I bought it. I absolutely love that movie.
Shipperahoy
All I thought when I saw Serenity was "Serenity NOW!, Insanity later"
"Have you thought of writing a good Sam and Daniel episode for season 10? I miss the deep friendship between the two of them on screen."
Though not an episode dedicated to these two, Morpheus does have what I think is a terrific Carter/Daniel sequence.
"... it's one of the movies with Finding Nemo..."
My favorite Pixar movie.
Stuck on You- the twins are from the Vineyard. Natch. ;) Lots of familiar faces and some good jokes that only a local would get.
Back to the directing question, dare I phrase the question this way...is it possible or dare I suggest conceivable for Amanda to be put on the roster???
Wait...I'm getting some psychic vibes here and am intuiting a possible response from you as being, "it's possible."
Nah...you wouldn't do that to me...right? You'd come right out and say one way or the other...RIGHT?!??
Well just in case, may I flat out request that you or whoever makes said decisions please consider adding her to the directing roster.
;)
"So Joe did you get the chance to watch Serenity or was that one of your disapointments?"
Nope. Haven't had a chance to watch it yet as I have to make selections that my visiting mother will actually sit through. Looking forward to it, however. Loved the series.
"Back to the directing question, dare I phrase the question this way...is it possible or dare I suggest conceivable for Amanda to be put on the roster???"
You already guessed my response. Its possible. Seriously though - Amanda did a terrific job directing and any hesitation about her directing another episode stems only from the scheduling headache it invites. And the same would apply for any actor taking the director's chair.
Have you ever thought about taking the director's chair?
Hiya Joe,
Before I leave I want to second the request for Jack Oneill guest spot. Thanks for talking to us.:)
Happy New Year!
B. Rudge
"Have you ever thought about taking the director's chair?"
To be honest, its not really something that interests me. No. Let me rephrase that. It interests me, but not enough to make the sacrifice, like Rob did last year. I don't need to point out that prior to his directing gig on Crusade, Rob Cooper boasted a full head of beautiful golden locks.
Hiya!
First things first, cheers for answering my forum question. I honestly thought you blagged 90% of your answers on there and had a good chuckle at the fans taking it in.
The PC for PC gave me a good chuckle. I'm amazed you can still make a joke of it, shipper though I am, I'm starting to get a little tired of the continuous whining and bickering.
Four new characters to explore, and all they care about is whether Jack and Sam are in bed or not.
And thanks for the lovely little Shep titbit there, you've made a STAKS founder very happy. We actually thought you guys had been reading "Sci Fi for Dummies Chapter 7: Writing your lead Character" with it's case study of James T. Kirk for inspiration ;)
Tracy x
Btw: you must be pretty bored to want to entertain us guys!
"Btw: you must be pretty bored to want to entertain us guys!"
Nah. Just killing time before sushi dinner. Which should be right about...NOW!
I don't need to point out that prior to his directing gig on Crusade, Rob Cooper boasted a full head of beautiful golden locks.
Any chance you could persuade Chris Judge to direct a few episodes?;)
Enjoy your dinner. Fish is brain food, I believe. You're gonna need it!
Take care. Look forward to your next entry / snarky comment / reply to question.
Tj
Never liked seafood- raw or cooked- which tends to appall people when they find out I'm from an island. ;)
As far as I'm concerned, sushi isn't food, it's just bait that looks pretty. :P
I like sushi as long as it comes in pretty packaging. I went off it somewhat after going to a restaurant where they killed the fish in front of you.
I like my fish in a nice fish pie... boil the fish, put it in a nice white parsley sauce, chuck in some peas and sweetcorn, mash potato over that, then cheese and breadcrumbs and bang it in the oven.
Joe said"Double zing! I haven't heard the "NOT" delivery in years. That takes me back. Please, don't tell me your next post won't include the term "23 skidoo!". "
Joe, and a zing to you. Too bad my "not" isn't as old and tired as your tired, old, sex-kitten cliche.
Sushi--yum! California rolls... And Sashimi, I love it. Specially Tuna.
One of my favorite comedy movies is "Miss Congeniality." The sequel sucked so bad I never finished watching it, though.
True. Miss Congeniality was good. But Sandra Bullock is one of my favorite actresses, so I like a lot of her stuff. Dunno if most of her films are anything Joe would watch. His wife, maybe. ;)
Joe,
I love the humor, to bad it seems to piss some people off. I want to second the recomendation of Space above and Beyond. I really Enjoyed it. Plus it has the answer to the S/J Problem and keeping Jack alive.. Just give sam a locket with Jacks picture in it!
Let me put out another DVD recomendation for you Seaquest DSV. Season 1 just came out, and imho its the best season. A nice melding of sci fact and sci fi. As for comedy I can't remember if you have tried Red Dwarf or not. I love it..
Me being a simple guy I have a simple reciepe for you.
1 box of Kraft Mac and Cheese
1 lb of Hamburger
and your choice of Veggie.. (I usually use Corn or Peas, but I bet it would be good with those other veggies like that green one that Bush sr hated..)
Cook up everything then mix it together.. Like I said simple and good.
Can't wait for S10 and 3 let alone back half of 9 or 2!
Sushi is always good and can be made a million different ways. California rolls are great but the real think is great but only for the 24-36 hours after they are make aka fresh. WOW you write quite often for someone with your work schedule.
So I wrote a question on your last post but since you have moved over to this one I will restate breifly just cause I am interested in what you have to say.
After watching other shows like LOST, 24, and others have you ever considered using some of their techniques, storytelling ideas or approaches in your shows as ways to enhance the experience of a particular episode or story arc? I enjoyed an episode of Without a Trace at the end of November 2005 that was done from the point of view of the family instead of the FBI cause it allows the audience to understand both sides. I know you have done some of this before but I guess I think it would be cool every once in awhile for us to see for an episode or two how SG-1 functions with the other units, when they don't have the information necessary to take the lead and how that other team functions as the primary focus and their interactions with SG-1.
Oh and what was is your favorite holiday dish and desert? Holidays are the best time for food.
Happy New Year to Everyone!!
The egg nog ice cream sounds great. Ever thought about a chai ice cream?
Funny - My Name is Earl; Not new but always good for laughs - Galaxy Quest, Office Space, O Brother Where Art Thou? and Best in Show.
Serenity on DVD is very shiny! Loved the Joss Whedon commentary (plenty of yak and cheese).
cheers,
Thanks Joe,
Politically correct and great social skills.
Loved this blog. ROTFLMAO.
ellenrose
"Ok, since everybody is asking. Is Mitchell still going to be on SG1 for season 10?"
Yup.
"Is Vala going to be on SG1?"
Another great question.
"I like sushi as long as it comes in pretty packaging. I went off it somewhat after going to a restaurant where they killed the fish in front of you."
I'm a fairly adventurous eater and will try almost anything - although I'll think twice about ordering the lobster sashimi next time I'm out. The chef cut off the tail. stripped the meat, then served it on a plate adorned with the upper half of the lobster that, with its last iota of strength, appeared to be fending off any attempts to feast on him.
"Joe, and a zing to you. Too bad my "not" isn't as old and tired as your tired, old, sex-kitten cliche."
Or "science fiction". THAT old chestnut.
joe said: Haven't seen them. Quick Change? Was that the one with Bill Murray? I've considered Noises Off, but have never been a fan of movies adapted from the stage.//
joe, see 'noises off'! it's a *fantastic* and intelligently written comedy. i'm not really a fan of movies adapted from stage either, but this one is a winner!
btw, amanda starred in 'noises off' on stage. she played the dumb blond character (in the movie, nicollette sheridan plays this character).
sally :)
"Let me put out another DVD recomendation for you Seaquest DSV. Season 1 just came out, and imho its the best season. A nice melding of sci fact and sci fi. As for comedy I can't remember if you have tried Red Dwarf or not. I love it."
I'd probably pick up Red Dwarf before I picked up Seaquest - with all due respect to Peter D.
"After watching other shows like LOST, 24, and others have you ever considered using some of their techniques, storytelling ideas or approaches in your shows as ways to enhance the experience of a particular episode or story arc?"
Playing with the timeline and using flashbacks are some unique ways to tell a story which we have used in the past, and will use in the future (Check out Collateral Damage for one). I think that what makes them interesting is their uniqueness. In other words, a little goes a long way.
"Oh and what was is your favorite holiday dish and desert?"
Eggnog with Frangelico and Chocolate Chip liqueur. Does that count?
"Funny - My Name is Earl; Not new but always good for laughs - Galaxy Quest, Office Space, O Brother Where Art Thou? and Best in Show."
The guys love Earl. Loved Galaxy Quest and Office Space. Haven't seen O Brother Where Art Thou. Thought Best in Show was okay, but found A Mighty Wind was excruciating.
Here's one for ya: What'd you think of the original Stargate movie?
Joe...
Thanks for yapping with us. :D
Did you have what would be considered traditional dishes for Christmas or more non-traditional? I ask this because I'm intrigued by the whole "Eggnog with Frangelico and Chocolate Chip liqueur" bit which I've never heard of.
Oh and I've never heard of A Mighty Wind but from your ever so subtle commentary on that flick, I think I'll steer clear.
:D
Mary Beth
Joe,
I'm still chuckling at the image of the entire team going from Landry's office to Sam's lab to wherever, squeezing through doorways at the same time, walking 4 abreast in the narrow hallway, etc. ROTFL
"What'd you think of the original Stargate movie?"
I enjoyed it. I went in with very low expectations because it had been panned in the reviews I read - and I came away pleasantly surprised.
"Did you have what would be considered traditional dishes for Christmas or more non-traditional?"
We had turkey, crab and pasta. Traditional - for Italians.
"That Sheppard does get around, doesn't he? It must have something to do with the Ancient gene that makes him so darned irresistible."
I found that very amusing... lol. Is that something the writers originally planned for him as a character trait, or something that just sort of occured in the writing of episodes?
And what is Mr. Flanigan's opinion on the matter? lol.
joe, write a sam/jack scene in season 10. i'll bribe you with peanut butter and chocolate chip ice cream with mint sprinkles... good enough?
sally :)
Joe,
I just watched Lost City the other night, and am still blown away by its perfect execution. Any chance to get Bill DeVane or James McDaniel back? They were both great.
My favorite comedy, that I find I can re-watch and be amused over and over, is Airplane!... love that off the wall wit in it.
Enjoy new foods? Come to New Zealand and we'll throw you a hangi...food cooked between hot stones in the ground. Good stuff. =^)
Odyssey, Daedalus = BAD
Stargate = GOOD
Nate said...
I want to second the recomendation of Space above and Beyond. I really Enjoyed it. Plus it has the answer to the S/J Problem and keeping Jack alive.. Just give sam a locket with Jacks picture in it!//
*swoons*
i could live with that! :D :D
sally :)
Is there any chance to make ever Stargate - Battlestar Galactica crossover? If they finally reach Earth in Season3 (or season4), they will negotiate with SGC, but they have to leave etc.
Down with BSG for their treacherous thieving and usurping of the Stargate limelight!
:P
Joe,
is Christmas being celebrated in SGC base? If so, is there a chance for an episode in season 10 (or later :D ) in which Vala decorates Christmas tree? And what Christmas gift would Vala give to Daniel (and vice versa)?
Joe, please don't write a Sam/Jack scene in season 10 (have already had waaay too much Sam to fill the remaining years of my life thanks) and I'll bribe you with a huge jar of nutella and a box of tim tams (either is great for ice cream btw).
Have you ever tried Christmas cake ice cream? There are 2 ways to make it.
1. Take the mixed fruit and soak in brandy for a few days (the more days the better). Make a good batch of vanilla bean ice cream. Dry out mixed fruit and mix into softened ice cream (add nuts if so inclined). Freeze. Eat (with fresh apricots or blood plums it's yummy).
2. Take a bog standard Christmas fruit cake and soak in brandy for a few days (yes, the more days the better). Make a good batch of vanilla bean ice cream. Mold cake into cake tin/shape of choice. Add soften ice cream on top. Freeze. A number of options then present themselves. I love coating the turned out cake/ice cream combo in good quality melted dark chocolate (70% for non foodie guests or if I'm feeling really evil and it's the foodie guests 85%), and/or serving with grand marnier soaked apricots.
Sensing a theme here? ;-)
One day (if you are REALLY good), I will share my chocolate pecan pavlova (can be done with hazelnut too). It's to die for, but only eat a little meal before hand.
Brookie.
ps - you don't like lobster sashimi? Granted the description of the service would put me off too, but it's divine.
hmmmm... nuttella AND tim tams in ice cream.....
especially in the case of Vala and Carter who may well be working closely together in the very near future.
Yay! It'd be so cool to see some female-female interaction which avoids the "catfight" cliche so common on TV. And if these two could get past their very different styles to team up for 5 minutes, they'd be unstoppable.
Plus - they're both ex-hosts - got to be the basis for some interesting conversations there. And Vala might be pleasantly surprised by Sam's motorbike-riding, spaceship-racing side ...
Bearing in mind Stargate was based on ideas in books on "Alternative Egypt" and such like, do some of the writers read those kinds of books to tap into what's being theorised?
It obviously works in reverse as well - The Stargate Conpiracy by Lynn Picknett & Clive Prince...
Re-Horakhti
"The chef cut off the tail. stripped the meat, then served it on a plate adorned with the upper half of the lobster that, with its last iota of strength, appeared to be fending off any attempts to feast on him."
That is horrible, Joe! What did you do? I'm not sure I could have dealt with that!!
Hi Joe,
I have 2 questions for you.
1. Will we ever get to learn more about Daniels childhood? Like in some flashbacks or something.
2. Will we get to see Nick in Season 10?
My favourite comedy film is 'Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels". I haven't seen anything on the big screen since which makes me laugh as much.
--
Kish
Oh I forgot... there's a Random Flip(tm) plug-in for PC for PCs available soon. When Mitchell and Carter face an unsavoury mission they toss a coin to see who has to command:
"Heads! You lose. It's yours."
"Aw crap..."
--
Kish ;)
Now that TPTB are starting on season 3 scripts for SGA, could we please drop the "Sheppard bags another hot alien prom queen"? In case you haven't noticed, many fans of Sheppard are concerned about the character degradation we've seen recently. It isn't funny and we really can't respect a man we know nothing about, and who seems to flirt and/or sleep with girls who are younger than half my shoes.
Glad to see you've survived Christmas - and I'm actually looking forward to what you folks have in store for us. :0)
Shut UP. I WANT to see Shep score with hot aliens. he's a playa, and it's about time the show got interesting.
Hi Joe.
I got a writing question for you...
I was wondering how you guys manage to take on the daunting task of writing the science technobabble for Carter and McKay? Do you have research assistants for that sort of thing? And when do you come up with the the scientific solutions for the problems within the episodes? Is it in the outline stage or much later in the draft?
Thanks!
Hi Joe,
Glad you and the dogs had a good Christmas. :)
The PC stuff--very funny.
I am looking forward to the second half of season nine coming up.
Thanks for coming here to play.
Beth
I've never tried Lobster Sashimi, but after the first time I walked into a seafood restaurant and saw the live lobsters in a tank, it sort of put me off lobster in any form. Sitting there on death row, no chance of parole....
I loved the first season of Seaquest--was it season two when they sexed it up and changed everything? I stopped watching after that.
Second, third, whatever Space: Above and Beyond. Liked it a lot.
Oh oh! The Rocky Horror Picture Show. LOVED IT. If you haven't seen it yet, you really MUST rent it.
Can Teal'c say I'm Bamboolazed if Cater says I'm flabbergasted.
I'll second the call for you to watch Rocky Horror, Tim Curry as Frank was my first crush at the tender age of about 12, he might just have corrupted me for life... what a way to go.
Fatty tuna sushi, well, any tuna sushi for me. Eel is my favourite though. Strangely, the best sushi I ever had was at Minicon and we went to St Paul for it, so the best sushi I ever had was in the place furthest from the sea I have ever been to. I was the Guest of Honour and I thought they were mad for dragging me and a bunch of other fans about 70 miles just for a good meal but the food was out of this world, worth every mile we had to travel to get there.
I have also had wasabi ice cream, very, very odd. Would have been better as a sorbet, I suspect.
I agree, no recent funny films have tickled my fancy, I think The Life of Brian is possibly the funniest thing I have ever seen though, but then I am an old time Python addict.
FF, who can recite the entire cheese shop or parrot sketch and remembers the days when most of fandom could do the same.
Oh, I forgot, the funniest film ever, even funnier than Life of Brian.
The Importance of Being Ernest.
'To lose one parent is unfortunate, to lose two seems like carelessness.'
FF, who got beaten up after class at the age of 11 for piping up with 'A HANDBAG?' from the back of the classroom during an Eng Lit class by the poor lass reading Lady Bracknell who thought she was taking the micky out of her when actually all FF wanted to be, even at that tender age, was Dame Edith Evans.
Joe, you are a very brave man. The best ice cream I ever ate was called "Southern Lemon Pie." It was essentially lemon meringue pie folded into vanilla ice cream. OMG, good.
Now that I've buttered you up. Let's talk about Sheppard. Do you guys really think it's funny to have a Lt. Colonel in the USAF who while on a mission as a part of his job behaves like a randy teenager? Or is that your target audience? Because, in case you haven't noticed, some of us women are royally ticked off. I think TPTB are under the mistaken impression that we'll watch him no matter how he behaves. Please don't insult us or the character by continuing this nonsense.
The best ice cream I ever ate was called "Southern Lemon Pie." It was essentially lemon meringue pie folded into vanilla ice cream. OMG, good.
Oh, that sounds good!
Great blog entry, Joe. That's some smart software. Even better would be if you could let each viewer pick which character they'd like in each role (hero, dupe, stalker, etc) and have the program do a real-time global search/replace of the screen depictions so the viewer only sees what they want to see. Hmmm.
I share your comedic tastes just about exactly (love "Curb...", did not think "School of Rock" was anything great). If you haven't seen it, "The Ref" with Dennis Leary is an edgy comedy classic, and this is the time of year to watch it.
I don't mind Sheppard gettin' jiggy with the alien girls as long as he doesn't go looking for it. I loved the line in "The Tower:" "I never see this coming," when there he was in a candlelit, red velvet bedroom in a city surrounded by women who need his DNA. Cute and clueless.
As long as Rodney's okay with it, I'm okay with it ;)
"Any chance you could persuade Chris Judge to direct a few episodes?"
So far as I know, Chris has never expressed an interest in directing.
"Bearing in mind Stargate was based on ideas in books on "Alternative Egypt" and such like, do some of the writers read those kinds of books to tap into what's being theorised?"
No, nothing along these lines.
"1. Will we ever get to learn more about Daniels childhood? Like in some flashbacks or something.
2. Will we get to see Nick in Season 10?"
Its possible - in both cases, although, at present, there are no stories planned that would focus on either.
"I was wondering how you guys manage to take on the daunting task of writing the science technobabble for Carter and McKay?"
Lots of research.
"Do you have research assistants for that sort of thing?"
Nope. We rely on textbooks, the internet, and a guy called Brad Wright.
"And when do you come up with the the scientific solutions for the problems within the episodes? Is it in the outline stage or much later in the draft?"
We come up with the problem and the solution in the outline. The tricky part is to make it all sound convincing in dialogue - and that comes at the script stage.
"Do you guys really think it's funny to have a Lt. Colonel in the USAF who while on a mission as a part of his job behaves like a randy teenager? Or is that your target audience?"
A definite no on both counts.
"The Ref" with Dennis Leary is an edgy comedy classic"
Ah, I have this one. Maybe I'll watch it tonight.
"I loved the first season of Seaquest--was it season two when they sexed it up and changed everything?"
No. It was a third of the way through the episode I was watching, when Peter D. showed up as the dim-witted alien(?).
Joe, can you guys try and get RDA to be in the 200th episode or maybe a couple of others?
Joe, what is the reaction the writers feel towards the whole "script elf" notion? That is, how do you feel about some fans insisting that only magical elves could write the glorious opening to season 9, that the same writers who scripted the last few seasons of SG-1 certainly aren't capable of such "quality"?
Sheppard might as well bag some chicks, his character isn't that interesting otherwise.
His promiscuity sure has all the shippers up in arms. Good job writers, you might as well disappoint them early on rather than string them along like you did with the Sam/Jack shippers.
Regarding comedy - it's not a movie, but I recommend Ron James' "Road Between my Ears" DVD. So funny we needed to put it on twice, we kept missing bits the first time round!
anonymous said:
Joe, what is the reaction the writers feel towards the whole "script elf" notion? That is, how do you feel about some fans insisting that only magical elves could write the glorious opening to season 9, that the same writers who scripted the last few seasons of SG-1 certainly aren't capable of such "quality"?
***********************************
I, too, am puzzled by this alleged Script Elves phenonemon, Joe. Care to shed some light on this new mystery? Last time I checked, the same people who wrote "The Season That Shall Not Be Named" had a bit of a hand in S9... Interesting how that works.
Ah, the wonderful magic of the fantastic Paper Weight Fairies... All hail and bow down to that which we finally adore and appreciate. Never shall we accept that the nits who brought in Jonas (of all demonic creatures) could possibly have it in them to create the Magic of The Second Original Team.
You gotta love it.
A good comedy is Man of the House with Tommy Lee Jones. The dry wit of Tommy with the bouncing cheerleaders is great.
BTW, a few blogs ago you mentioned that you work out while watching DVD's. Thanks for the idea. I bought a recumbent excersise bike and work out while I watch TV. I've evolved from a couch potato to a bike potato thanks to you.
Rick
Anonymous said...
Sheppard might as well bag some chicks, his character isn't that interesting otherwise.
His promiscuity sure has all the shippers up in arms.
It isn't just "shippers" up in arms. We want a SCIENCE FICTION show - not SOAP OPERA! A 40 year old Air Force officer's promiscuity (with teen-looking girls no less) is NOT what interests us.
But maybe you are right. They are writing him as a male-ho because he IS boring. Even JM admits there is no backstory to the guy. TPTB hired a hot guy to make out with hot co-eds and fans be damned if they want a character of substance! If that is the case, send Sheppard to recurring-la-la land with Ford and make some of the more interesting characters the focal point of the show.
And where are the Air Force advisers to the Stargate shows? Are they not interested in how TPTB are writing a Lt. Colonel? Face it, Sheppard isn't exactly the best poster boy for them.
"No. It was a third of the way through the episode I was watching, when Peter D. showed up as the dim-witted alien(?)."
Derwood? Dagwood? Daggit? LOL. Sci-Fi's re-showing them all at the moment. The middle brother was on it, too. Played Piccalo, part man, part fish.
I thought I read that Brad Wright didn't want an AF advisor for Atlantis. I don't thing they have one for that show.
Joe,
In your opinion, what is the standout episode in the back half of season 9?
I started watching the first half over Christmas break and I liked them even better the second time.
Mary
Joe, You are sooooo naughty! I love you.
Have you had the chance to check out Serenity yet? If so, thumbs up or thumbs down?
Joe, you don't need the PC for PCs, just watch the first four seasons of Stargate for reference. After that, though, skip the first half of season five, then pay close attention to the second half and the whole of season six. That will help you write the perfect Stargate episodes, without having to buy the software. Wait... you guys didn't have that sofware years ago, did you?
It's in you, just rewatch your masterpieces.
Sincerely,
Fan
PS. I'd love to see RDA in a future episode as well.
{quote}Joe, what is the reaction the writers feel towards the whole "script elf" notion? That is, how do you feel about some fans insisting that only magical elves could write the glorious opening to season 9, that the same writers who scripted the last few seasons of SG-1 certainly aren't capable of such "quality"?{end of quote}
You do know that it was Joe himself who coined the 'script elf' label, not the fans he was responding to right? Let's not give them credit for coming up with something they didn't.
Dear Joseph
A mite testy are we?
Rosemary
I know it's not the place to play Joe's lapdog, but I'm gonna anyway....
I think he's got a right to be testy, after all the stuff we put the poor bloke through.
Yes, I know I'm a bad offender (especially as S.T.A.K.S founder I've been encouraging the Shep comments).
Also, Joe, following the earlier comment about random flip, how do they decide who gets command? Will we get to see a fun little scene like that?
Anonymous wrote:
Ah, the wonderful magic of the fantastic Paper Weight Fairies... All hail and bow down to that which we finally adore and appreciate. Never shall we accept that the nits who brought in Jonas (of all demonic creatures) could possibly have it in them to create the Magic of The Second Original Team.
You gotta love it.
I DO love it. The Second Original Team; (oxymoron there) -- TSTSNBN, 5-1/4 mini series episodes...sounds like being in a sorority in college and making up secret passwords. Never cared for sororities then; don't much care for them now. But hey if you want to show us the secret Danny handshake, have at it.
Only reason the first 5-6 episodes are so lauded by the OSers is because of Daniel and Vala. You can bet your boots if it had been Cam/Vala instead, the script elves would not be praised at all and glorious would not be an adjective they would use.
Iman
=:=:= anonymous said: I, too, am puzzled by this alleged Script Elves phenonemon, Joe. Care to shed some light on this new mystery? Last time I checked, the same people who wrote "The Season That Shall Not Be Named" had a bit of a hand in S9... Interesting how that works. Ah, the wonderful magic of the fantastic Paper Weight Fairies... All hail and bow down to that which we finally adore and appreciate. Never shall we accept that the nits who brought in Jonas (of all demonic creatures) could possibly have it in them to create the Magic of The Second Original Team.=:=:=
i recognise this term (paper weight fairies) from a certain post i saw last night. why did i see this post? well, you know how certain people here keep carrying on and on about the Sony Board being such a big bad forum, i decided to have a little look over there last night to see just how bad it really is.
interesting thing on Sony forum is that you are allowed to see the member lists (unlike gateworld) and look at all their posts.
you know what's really interesting? 9 out of 10 of the posters who've been banned in the sg1 threads are Sam Fans.
that's right - the Sam Fans have been banned by the totally independent moderator for breaking forum rules (you know pesky rules that don't allow you to be rude and abusive to other posters, or to bash the actors).
no wonder you don't like it over there if you aren't allowed to carry on like you normally do.
Who's talking about Sam fans? Why bring them up? To throw the attention off of you and on to them? Bush tries that shit all the time, and it works, so I guess that's where you learned it. The best defense is a good offense, eh? Putz.
Hahahahaha, love it, well done! Thank goodness for PC PC's!:P
"Though not an episode dedicated to these two, Morpheus does have what I think is a terrific Carter/Daniel sequence."
Thank you I will look forward to that.
I wouldn't even bother with Sony if I were you. Most conversations there go something like this.
"I love the miniseries!!!11!!"
"Yeah it's great!"
"The second original team is the best!"
"Yes they are!"
"Vala and Daniel are lieksoHAWT!"
"OMG, totally!"
"Sam is such a worthless character that I have to mention her worthlessness in every one of my posts!"
"Ditto!!"
I have more stimulating conversations talking to my left hand. Best to leave the sorority girls to their clique and have the more thought-provoking discussions elsewhere.
that's right - the Sam Fans have been banned by the totally independent moderator for breaking forum rules (you know pesky rules that don't allow you to be rude and abusive to other posters, or to bash the actors).
hah, maybe you should back and actually read some of those threads then, because the only bashing of actors that goes on is by the anti-sam, anti-jonas, anti-season 6 people...
.....anonymous said: I have more stimulating conversations talking to my left hand....
is that another way of saying everything that comes out of your mouth is a load of wank?
Anonymous said...
I wouldn't even bother with Sony if I were you. Most conversations there go something like this.
"I love the miniseries!!!11!!"
"Yeah it's great!"
"The second original team is the best!"
"Yes they are!"
"Vala and Daniel are lieksoHAWT!"
"OMG, totally!"
"Sam is such a worthless character that I have to mention her worthlessness in every one of my posts!"
"Ditto!!"
LOL. That's just cracks me up. I'm no doubt a bit weird, but when I dislike a character, I don't care to spend much time talking about that character -- I like to pretend they don't exist. But the Sony Forum dwellers can't help themselves from repeating the same things over and over ad nauseum; no matter what thread they are in, at least 2 or 3 of them will somehow revert it back to how worthless Sam is, how insulting she is to womanhood across the galaxy, how they just don't respect Amanda. It's the same people over and over, using the same little phrases over and over. If they'd come up with the least bit of originality, it wouldn't be so bad, but it's like a broken record.
Oh and you forgot Daniel's (aka MS) butt. It gets talked about quite often there.
"Nice butt shot of Daniel."
Sharon
Anonymous said...
*.....anonymous said: I have more stimulating conversations talking to my left hand....*
is that another way of saying everything that comes out of your mouth is a load of wank?
Trying to destroy the English language, are you?
I wonder what the average IQ is of those who post at the Sony Forum? Or the average age for that matter? Can't be too high in either case.
Mrs. Crabapple
Joe said: “I stepped in to present a counterpoint to people who are arguing show logic. Personal attacks on actors are worthless and not really worth addressing. For what its worth, I've often said that Amanda is a terrific actress with an often thankless role - that of the straight person, and the scientist who must deliver reams of exposition to advance the story yet always manages to do so strongly and convincingly.”
What? Oh come on Joe – you can do better than that for your veteran who is the target of very derogatory, personal attacks, specifically about Amanda Tapping, “the person” AND “the actor” . . . can’t you? Read your blog entry of October 21, the relevant portion follows for your convenience “As I said in previous blogs, I appreciate the input, the accolades, and the critiques. But I do have a bit of a problem with personal criticisms specificially targeting our actors and their respective attitudes. Feel free to complain about the direction of the Mitchell character if you like (although, as I said, we've just started exploring him). However, those of you complaining about Ben the person and/or actor might be better off actually writing out said critiques in a letter and mailing it to Santa c/0 The North Pole. I thought Ben did a terrific job on Farscape - and it was his work on Farscape that led me to suggest bringing him aboard (on two earlier occasions prior to his landing the role of Cameron Mitchell). He has done an equally terrific job on our show and his attitude has been nothing less than remarkable. He loves the show and is 100% committed to doing everything he can to make it better (and if that means sticking around set rather than heading back to his trailer or coming in on his days off, then he'll do it). So to those criticizing him or any of the show's actors on a personal level and presuming to be "in the know", I'd encourage you to start addressing all further comments to Mr. Clause. Or, to quote that principal on who the movie Lean on Me was based on: "Stop flapping your vaseline lips".”
TTFN
The Sony boards Mods are a joke and should be banned themselves. You should read the posts of those that have been banned versus the absolute dreck and attacks that are allowed. Sony, MS, CB and TPTB, should be embarrassed by you lot over there.
Nattobrecky
Joe wrote:
..... I thought Ben did a terrific job on Farscape - and it was his work on Farscape that led me to suggest bringing him aboard (on two earlier occasions prior to his landing the role of Cameron Mitchell). He has done an equally terrific job on our show and his attitude has been nothing less than remarkable.
The reason, Joe, that Ben did a terrific job on Farscape was because of the way the character was **written.*** He was over the top, larger than life. As someone else said in a post, Ben got to ham it up quite a bit and was very rarely called on to give any nuanced or controlled performances (like Amanda is.) It IS much easier to ham it up and play extremes than NOT to.
No, he has done done an equally terrific job on your show because the character is NOT the same; the character, IMO, is written in a very boring manner with a lack of any distinct personality. Ben, as Mitchell, on Stargate, will never equal Ben as Crichton on Farscape because of the writing -- *your* writing (along with your partner.)
And I also agree with the person who said where is your defense of the personal attacks on AT? We just read (about Ben) what you said you weren't going to address because it was pointless.
Really, Joe, the more you continue to answer questions, the more you put your foot in your mouth.
"Joe, what is the reaction the writers feel towards the whole "script elf" notion?"
To be perfectly honest, the other writers rarely venture online. The script elves were my response to a very small portion of fans who have been critical of the show for years and, unwilling to believe that the same writers were responsible for season 9. When a couple of them floated the theory that, maybe, these new scripts were secretly being written by ghost writers, I floated the equally ridiculous script elves conspiracy theory. They loved it!
"Even JM admits there is no backstory to the guy."
Really? Feel free to dig up that quote.
"And I also agree with the person who said where is your defense of the personal attacks on AT?"
Feel free to check out my previous post.
Problem is that post was pretty lame in comparison to the oh so dramatic defense you provided for your boy Ben when he was being personally attacked. The personal attacks on AT are so much more personal and derogatory and the best you can come up for your veteran is "Personal attacks on actors are worthless and not really worth adressing", and a repeat of what you have said before about her acting ability, which basically sounds like a canned response, however, not 2 months before you resolutely defend BB, the MAN and the actor, after he is called a hack? Couple this with all of the focus and hype on your 2 new favorites and it seems that the "old" stars, or their characters, are not worth your time or your defense. Foot, meet mouth.
TTFN
"is that another way of saying everything that comes out of your mouth is a load of wank?"
Did you miss the part where I said TALKING to my left hand? Guess so. Your snappy comebacks are just as bad as Vala's.
"When a couple of them floated the theory that, maybe, these new scripts were secretly being written by ghost writers, I floated the equally ridiculous script elves conspiracy theory. They loved it!"
Dammit Joe, you should know better than to feed the trolls.
"Problem is that post was pretty lame in comparison..."
I'm picking a "Mommy loves little Jimmy more! No fair!" vibe off you.
Joe,
Hope I can get a solid, thoughtful answer out of you. OK...ignore the different factions who love one character and have a gripe against Mitchell because of their own special interests...
I really don't have a favorite character and don't have any characters, but I do find Mitchell to be very boring. I seem to hear that often; most people don't hate him or absolutely love him; they just feel kind of indifferent. I know some offline viewers who feel the same way.
Do you have thoughts as to why that is? Do you honestly think you've done "good" in the manner in which you've written Mitchell? Do you think you've been a bit too shy because of Jonas thing? Really, if you want him to BE the leader of SG-1, shouldn't you write him as the leader and not say things on forums like he is co-leading with Sam? That sounds kind of wafflying and like appeasement.
Why DO YOU think many fans just feel indifferent toward Mitchell?
Thanks,
Curious
>>>>I wonder what the average IQ is of those who post at the Sony Forum? Or the average age for that matter? Can't be too high in either case.
Mrs. Crabapple <<<<<
How incredibly droll of you.
You obviously haven't read the posts of BetaCandy, TuckerCase, Walbrook, Starkindler and Osiris?
You will find their average IQ is astronomically higher than people who enjoy talking to their left hand.
Maybe you should compare their insightful and intelligent essays and discussions to the pro Sam posters such as Incessant Babbler, TeflonCockroach, Hail Dorothy or DoctorCaptainMajorColonel - oh no wait, they've been banned for misconduct.
JMallozzi said...
"Even JM admits there is no backstory to the guy."
Really? Feel free to dig up that quote.
Per your request - saw this on Dec. 19:
[QUOTE=JMallozzi]We'll learn more about Sheppard's backstory in bits and pieces. However, at present, there are no stories in the works that specifically focus on his life.[/QUOTE]
That just tells us there IS no history for Sheppard, nor was there ever (we are moving into year 3 and still know nothing about him). *shrug*
Joe said: I'm picking a "Mommy loves little Jimmy more! No fair!" vibe off you.
LOL. Maybe we should take their toys out of their sandbox Joe?
To all posters on Joe Mallozzi's Blog:
We had such a nice thread going at the beginning. The conversation for the most part seems to have gone astray into bashing someone or something and I want more PC for PC banter. That is really funny.
Joe, have talked about PC for PC to the other writers?
Joe said "I'm picking a "Mommy loves little Jimmy more! No fair!" vibe off you."
No, just trying to understand where you guys are coming from these past few months. Seems from the big picture of how TPTB are handling things since pre-season 9, that you all consider BB and CB, and their characters, to be worth your A LOT of your time and energy to mount a defense and it is as if you take royally for granted those who have been there to bust a gut for you guys for 8-9 years now.
It is troubling to see certain people are so personally attacked and not defended except with lame overused excuses that do not address the problem while watching the outpouring of pimping and defense for the new guy and it is kind of bothersome, to be honest. It does tend to show a lack of class to jump to the defense of one guy not two short months ago, with quite an emotional blog entry, and then in the next breath say personal attacks are not worth addressing when someone else is the butt of very derogatory personal attacks.
(BTW do you have to get snipy with every person that criticizes you or the show?)
TTFN
Yes, I have read comments by BC, TC and Osiris as a matter of fact. They all have one thing in common and that is that they are huge Daniel fans. I've also read some things by Incessant Babbler and Hail Dorothy (can't recall the other 2). So what you're saying then is that there is some correlation between being a Daniel fan and having a high IQ -- is that it? That if you are a Sam fan, you have a astronimically lower IQ than the Daniel fans?
Can't comment on people who enjoy talking to their left hand -- that was not meant literally, you know. I thought her/his post was pretty good.
By the way, the people you mentioned (BC, TC,etc.) are the exception rather than the rule. Most of the SF posters are more like Kalliope.
Incessant Babbler is banned? I rather enjoyed her "different" point of view; found it refreshing. Is that why she was banned?
Crabby
Essays? Essays?
Do you even know what that word means? No, seriously. That is such a gross misuse of the term that it insults just about anyone whose ever actually produced an essay.
The word your looking for is propaganda. Or faith. Or dogma. One of them will do nicely. So would "hate speech", but that actually requires malicious intent. Oh, wait, they've got that too, don't they? Well then hate speech it is.
I visited Sony a few times and was so disgusted and turned off by what was allowed there I left and did not return. Sony really should be ashamed.
The fact that so-called Sam fans have been banned from there does not surprise me. I saw some of their posts and they basically were challenging the sam haters and the nonsesne that they spew over there, basically calling them out for what they really are, hypocrites and irrational fanatics.
The Mods are no better there, try reading some of their posts and you will understand. The site is a disgrace and the small group of Danny/Vala/lovers/ranters that frequent there are childish, petty and irrational (as is clear from the inordinate amount of time they seem to have to waste over there and at Solutions. Wish I had that kind of time, if I did I certainly wouldn't spend it on-line spenidng hours talking about a character I claimed to hate. I'd be outside playing golf or at least doing something more constructive then what they do). Let them have their place to play; I just wish they would stay there and not spew their vile grabage here.
Roger D.
"You obviously haven't read the posts of BetaCandy, TuckerCase, Walbrook, Starkindler and Osiris?
You will find their average IQ is astronomically higher than people who enjoy talking to their left hand."
Astonomically higher, huh? So they're just more clever at typing up the same old pro-Daniel anti-Sam rhetoric? And if they're so smart why can't they can't see how the actions of the other Dannyranters stifle any hope of intelligent debate on that forum and start speaking out against that kind of crap?
Thanks for pointing out the obvious mod bias on Sony. Who would have thought that the only people getting banned are Sam fans?
"You will find their average IQ is astronomically higher than people who enjoy talking to their left hand."
I'm sorry, is this supposed to be some sort of compliment? That's supposed to imply that they're intelligent? Good thing you dind't include yourself in that list.
As a matter of fact, I have found Daniel and Jack/Daniel fans to be on average much more literate and articulate in their on-line posts than Jack/Sam fans. Since I rarely see pro-Sam posts from non-shippers, that's a hard category to gauge.
I have to agree the anti-Sam posters are very repetitive, though, and go way past annoying after a thread or two.
BTW, don't most men 'talk' to their right hands, not their left?
You obviously haven't read the posts of BetaCandy, TuckerCase, Walbrook, Starkindler and Osiris?
Ah yes, the wonderfully philosophical and brilliant posts such as these:
Walbrook:
"Do you think TPTb are finally waking up to that fact? That Michael Shanks is the single best factor of the show? That and a great conceptual base."
Or Osiris:
"What exactly is it about leather that makes brain cells go all mushy and OMG! Squeeeeeee!"
Or Tucker:
"Well, it isn't as though they haven't tried to make her more interesting.
God help us, they tried.
They tried to make Sam funny, and we got ‘Avenger 2.0’ and ‘Moebius.’
They tried to make Sam sexy, and we got ‘Chimera,’ ‘Affinity’ and the workaday pleather of ‘Endgame.’
They tried to make Sam exciting, and we got ‘Space Race.’
They tried to make Sam more emotionally open *laughs at the irony as Sam closes down on everyone but her chosen one* and we got ‘As The Stargate Turns.’
They set it up so they could explore Sam’s darker side and ran screaming from the room and played the insipid “evil twin” card instead. Hello ‘Gemini.’
They tried to make her more “human” and, unable to cope with the merest hint of tarnish on her halo or a single speck of dirt on her wings, whitewashed everything with a “Pshaw!” and applied another superhuman coating of Teflon.
They’ve tried and tried and tried – eight and half years of trying - and it just didn't take.
Vanilla is vanilla. You can add all the hot fudge, marshmallows, chopped nuts, licorice nibs, sprinkles, cookie bits, whipped cream, cherries and crushed pineapple you want, but even if the ice cream hasn't melted by the time you're finished, it still isn't any more interesting under there.
Really, it's been over eight years. If they want to call this one, no one can say they didn't stick with it long enough."
So, yes, I have read the posts of these people, and they've only convinced me to stay far, far away from the Sony boards, thank you!
"As a matter of fact, I have found Daniel and Jack/Daniel fans to be on average much more literate and articulate in their on-line posts than Jack/Sam fans."
I always thought it was a matter of intent. Jack/Sam fans want to celebrate and have fun with the ship. Jack/Daniel fans want to convice others that it's really there and not just some crazy wacked out fanwank. So naturally their posts take a more serious, less amusing tone. As a fan of neither relationship, though, I can at least say that the Sam/Jack fans have some basis in canon, while the Jack/Daniel fans have some basis in crazy.
**Anonymous said...
As a matter of fact, I have found Daniel and Jack/Daniel fans to be on average much more literate and articulate in their on-line posts than Jack/Sam fans. Since I rarely see pro-Sam posts from non-shippers, that's a hard category to gauge.**
Coming from a Daniel fan, your statement doesn't seem to be without bias, you know.
And, no, there is no 'talking,' be it right or left hand.
Anonymous wrote:
So, yes, I have read the posts of these people, and they've only convinced me to stay far, far away from the Sony boards, thank you!
Great stuff. Yup, those comments are so astronomically far beyond (in their analysis, depth and brilliance) anything the Sam or Sam/Jack or any other fans could utter, it's absolutely unbelievable.
Squeeeeeee!!!!! Daniel in leather. Kewl
I knew the relatively fluffy mood of the comments for this entry were bound to deteriorate into the usual hatred, petty accusations and "X is better than Y" arguments sooner or later. *shrug*
Thought of some more old comedies I like: Support Your Local Gunfighter and Support Your Local Sheriff. Probably the only two westerns I've ever seen. ;)
Oooo, and Hello Down There is kinda like an anti-Atlantis. Or maybe what Atlantis could become. ;)
Brothers Grimm was good fluff.
The Val Lewton Horror Collection just came out recently. Since you mentioned working on some horror ideas of your own...
Anonymous said...
Have you had the chance to check out Serenity yet? If so, thumbs up or thumbs down?
Sorry for the redundancy, Joe. I didn't realize I'd missed the boat on the Serenity discussion (BEST...MOVIE...EVER).
Hi Joe -
This is a first for me, so I'll claim ignorance. I've read through the entire blog, and I'm going to go in a completely different direction. I read that Vala is supposed to end up pregnant and attribute her pregnancy to "immaculate conception". I just want to make sure that this concept gets scripted correctly (no, I'm not some type of zealot, fanatic, or whatever - just get bothered by the fallacious propagation of the concept "immaculate conception".) If Vala is going to claim that she has no idea how she became pregnant (she wasn't "with" a man) then she would have a "miraculous" conception. Immaculate conception refers to the conception of a baby (in this case, Mary, the mother of Jesus) without the stain of original sin - snaps fingers, says "ah ha" - get it - immaculate = clean. So, when Vala's pregnancy "breaks", please use the proper terminology to convey what happened to her...Mini rant over, now ;-)
Wait, wait. I don't get it. I thought Jesus was an alien? You know, one of the Furlings.
Ummm...stupid question perhaps, but then again theology isn't my strong suit, but I still don't really get the difference between immaculate conception and miraculous conception. Mary got pregnant without the stain of original sin (i.e. without doing the deed) and Vala would supposedly be pregnant via means other than that same deed so what exactly is the difference? Other than the fact that Mary was impregnanted by God and Vala...really wasn't. I'm honestly just curious.
Incessant Babbler is banned? I rather enjoyed her "different" point of view; found it refreshing. Is that why she was banned?
probably, cant have differing points of view on a danny ranter forum after all...
>>>>>>Incessant Babbler is banned? I rather enjoyed her "different" point of view; found it refreshing. Is that why she was banned?
probably, cant have differing points of view on a danny ranter forum after all... <<<<<
ha ha ha
The Sony forum is independantly moderated by guess who? Sony! The mod is employed by Sony. The pro danny people have to play by the rules too.
Guess it doesn't suit incessantb and cohorts to play nice.
"Guess it doesn't suit incessantb and cohorts to play nice."
Apparently, it doesn't suit you either. Git.
Jack/Daniel fans want to convice others that it's really there and not just some crazy wacked out fanwank.
Jack/Daniel fans are fully aware it's a fanwank. Having only subtext to play with is what makes it fun. The shippers should try it some time.
I suppose asking for a cease fire between fans and boards is a waste of time? Oh well.
Another classic comedy to recommend is The Awful Truth. And, while I'm thinking of Cary Grant, I've always found Father Goose to be good for a laugh.
"Why DO YOU think many fans just feel indifferent toward Mitchell?"
A number of reasons. The fact is that all of the other characters have already got a pre-established background going for them (our three other leads, the character of Vala who was introduced in Prometheus Unbound and is, unarguably, a very colorful character). Mitchell, on the other hand, is the new kid on the block and, as such, is less defined than the other characters. He's a little more difficult to categorize (ie. stoic warrior, scientist, rogue) and, like the others, will acquire depth and a fuller character over time. The problem is, Mitchell was introduced at a time when were introducing a bunch of other major series elements and, as a result, we didn't get the opportunity explore him as much as we may have wanted to - something that we rectify in the back half of season 9 with episodes like Stronghold and Collateral Damage.
As for the command issue, it was a compromise in so far as, a year ago while we were planning season 9, the writers did debate the topic and ultimately decided Carter and Mitchell would share leadership of the team. Who is in charge is entirely mission-dependent.
[QUOTE=JMallozzi]We'll learn more about Sheppard's backstory in bits and pieces. However, at present, there are no stories in the works that specifically focus on his life.[/QUOTE]
That just tells us there IS no history for Sheppard, nor was there ever (we are moving into year 3 and still know nothing about him). *shrug*
Actually, what this tells us is that you're prone to erroneous assumptions.
Statement: "Joe, and a zing to you. Too bad my "not" isn't as old and tired as your tired, old, sex-kitten cliche."
JMallozzi said Or "science fiction". THAT old chestnut.
Oh that's right. I forgot that the book on science fiction writing 101 REQUIRES the sexed-up, sleazy, caricature. Too bad you guys feel you have to use the book.
mallozzi wrote-"As for the command issue, it was a compromise in so far as, a year ago while we were planning season 9, the writers did debate the topic and ultimately decided Carter and Mitchell would share leadership of the team. Who is in charge is entirely mission-dependent."
If it's something you purposely wrote in, then why won't you state it in an episode? Are you embarrassed by the idea {or are the fans just supposed to figure it out on their own}?
"Oh that's right. I forgot that the book on science fiction writing 101 REQUIRES the sexed-up, sleazy, caricature. Too bad you guys feel you have to use the book."
You had a full day to come up with something, and that was the best you could do? Okay, now I'm starting to feel bad. Here, allow me -
Statement: "Joe, and a zing to you. Too bad my "not" isn't as old and tired as your tired, old, sex-kitten cliche."
JMallozzi said Or "science fiction". THAT old chestnut.
1) And "Old chestnut" nicely sums up your writing, Joe: outdated and incredibly hard to swallow.
2) Only in your case, Joe. Keep it up! You're only three silver jump suits and one ray gun away from the most hilarious episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000 ever!
3) Its too bad you save your best writing for your two minute blogs. If only you gave your scripts half as much thought.
Feel free to pick one.
Actually, for a slightly mindless, fun and silly movie, and several nice over the top silly acting, I liked "America's Sweethearts". Rather than one big story, this has 4 or 5 cute little fluff stories, and is handled much more nicely than the majority of the sitcom style movies or teen garbage going around. I got the distinct feeling that Billy Crystal as a publicity hack was having WAY too much fun, and Catherine Zeta Jones not only steals several scenes outright, but I think she stole a couple of seats in the back row of the theatre.
Not the same, but a little like Rickman's "Sherriff of Nott" in Kostner's Robin Hood. Mediocre movie, GREAT villian.
America's Sweethearts is not Great Film, but nor are many comedies. They are memorable because they are funny, and you can only retell a joke so many times. The reason I went to see this in the first place was Billy Crystal in the writing credits, and we all know it starts from the writer's pen(no sucking up intended, OK, maybe a little) Rent, don't buy, but enjoy. Nice little film, and I think I can safely promise that this one will never be brought during class by a stuffy "History of Film" professor.
Enjoy the blog, interesting to see the inside view during the process, and getting a chance to see what gets to screen. Really like the insight provided on a series that has matured nicely.
bm
"If it's something you purposely wrote in, then why won't you state it in an episode? Are you embarrassed by the idea {or are the fans just supposed to figure it out on their own}?"
At the time, it really wasn't an issue. There were never any points in the individual episodes where it would be a problem (and, qutie frankly, very difficult to back-sell episodes later. Its not unlike the problem we had with Jonas's homeworld. After several episodes, we realized that although we'd named his nation, Kelowna, we had never named his planet - and the longer we waited, the more awkward it became to cleanly reveal). No backsell in season 9, but we did briefly discuss a scenario by which the command issue would be clarified in season 10.
JOE MALLOZZI WROTE:
The fact is that all of the other characters have already got a pre-established background going for them (our three other leads, the character of Vala who was introduced in Prometheus Unbound and is, unarguably, a very colorful character). Mitchell, on the other hand, is the new kid on the block and, as such, is less defined than the other characters. He's a little more difficult to categorize (ie. stoic warrior, scientist, rogue) and, like the others, will acquire depth and a fuller character over time. The problem is, Mitchell was introduced at a time when were introducing a bunch of other major series elements and, as a result, we didn't get the opportunity explore him as much as we may have wanted to - something that we rectify in the back half of season 9 with episodes like Stronghold and Collateral Damage.
Didn't get the opportunity to explore him as much as much as you may have wanted?? I get the other major series elements being introduced, but you chose to feature Vala prominently in the first 5-6 episodes and I don't think her character needed to be all that closely linked with the intro of the Ori. Seems to me you could have spread some of the writing and screentime out and emphasized her a bit less and Mitchell a bit more, don't you think?
Mitchell is boring. You can explore him all you want, but exploring a boring character is still going to make him boring, unless you write him a bit differently and stop with the being afraid to make him in command. On the other hand, cultivating boredom seems like it increases one's life span (because time moves so slowly when bored), so maybe that's what you're trying to do -- give the fans the gift of the illusion of long lives.
Joey...you sure do spin with the best of them....but spinning is still spinning.
Yes all day - I actually have a real job to go to and I sat around all day thinking how to zing you. Thought it was pretty good myself since it does seem that dragging out the tired old cliche is what you guys have stooped to now. Get over yourself joe, you are not that funny and not that clever.
"I get the other major series elements being introduced, but you chose to feature Vala prominently in the first 5-6 episodes and I don't think her character needed to be all that closely linked with the intro of the Ori."
Disagree. Vala's introduction in season 9 was nicely tied into the Ori storyline. As such, she was a driving force for those first six episodes. Also, Vala would pretty much overwhelm any character she is compared to in those first six episodes.
"Seems to me you could have spread some of the writing and screentime out and emphasized her a bit less and Mitchell a bit more, don't you think?"
Not for the story we wanted to tell. Its like those who say we could have introduced the Mitchell character as a Major. Sure. That would be different. Better? I don't think so.
"Mitchell is boring. You can explore him all you want..."
And before I forget, another reason some fans may not respond to Mitchell is because they're pre-disposed to not liking him.
"Get over yourself joe, you are not that funny and not that clever."
I would have gone with number 2.
Out of the 3 none were really that good.
Joe,
According to the show so far, the only person who's been designated the leader is Mitchell. Doesn't it worry you that the show contradicts what you're telling us here about co-command and that most fans don't come online and thus won't know anything about a co-command and will only think that Mitchell is the leader?
"Out of the 3 none were really that good."
Better: "I've read ingredient lists that were funnier".
"Doesn't it worry you that the show contradicts what you're telling us here about co-command and that most fans don't come online and thus won't know anything about a co-command and will only think that Mitchell is the leader?"
Nope because, at this point, it hasn't affected any of the stories. There's a possibility that will change in season 10.
Joe wrote:
And before I forget, another reason some fans may not respond to Mitchell is because they're pre-disposed to not liking him.
Is that some sort of genetic trait over which we have no control?
I suppose some fans would be pre-disposed to not liking him; especially those who don't like change and those who are missing Jack. Except this fan was really excited about Ben signing on and was looking forward so much to seeing him on Stargate and so far for me it's been a huge letdown.
Well you got me on the comment about it not being better to have introduced Mitchell as a major. I don't see any advantage to introducing him as a colonel, making it appear that he is the leader and then saying on-line that he and Carter will each lead, depending on the situation. Why is that an advantage? I just don't see it.
Vala is going to overwhelm any character in any episode unless you do something to tone her down. That's what I (and maybe others) didn't like. I don't want one character to overwhelm the others and have all the focus on them; I want to see a team.
We just disagree. I thought Mitchell could have fit in nicely in the first 6 episodes as well as Vala. You know, of course, that by saying you are going to delve into Mitchell's character more in the back half of S9, you're going to get even more flak for that because certain factions want to see "their" character and they want to see the team work together, not episodes which flesh out one character specifically.
You've put yourself between a rock and a hard place there, Joe.
I'm tired - tomorrow at work I'll spend the day thinking up something else to zing you with - there is after all plenty to mine from your blogs and S9 thus far.
"by saying you are going to delve into Mitchell's character more in the back half of S9, you're going to get even more flak for that because certain factions want to see "their" character and they want to see the team work together, not episodes which flesh out one character specifically."
We'll always offer up a mix of stories: off-world and earth-based, one-off and arc-driven, single character focus and team focused episodes. What drives us more than anything are the needs of the story. Hopefully, in the end, things will even out more or less. And if not - well, I've often said: you can't please all of the people all of the time.
You've put yourself between a rock and a hard place there, Joe.
Joe said:
"but we did briefly discuss a scenario by which the command issue would be clarified in season 10."
"There's a possibility that will change in season 10."
What episode? And does this scenario cannonly explain the cocommand scenario?
"I'm tired - tomorrow at work I'll spend the day thinking up something else to zing you with - there is after all plenty to mine from your blogs and S9 thus far."
And don't forget the scripts. I'd strongly recommend Avenger 2.0
"What episode? And does this scenario cannonly explain the cocommand scenario?"
Looking ahead to season 10.
"I'm tired - tomorrow at work I'll spend the day thinking up something else to zing you with - there is after all plenty to mine from your blogs and S9 thus far."
Aww, that sucks. You're gonna have to do better than that or Joe is gonna win the argument. And I'd hate to see Joe's losing streak broken. (See, zing!)
"Looking ahead to season 10."
Kind of a non-sequitor there, Joe. That's OK, my crazy grandmother does that too. I'll just ask again like I do with her. (See, zing!)
Yes Avenger 2.0 has to rank right up there as on eof the worst (well PU ranks waay up there too and there are others) but you guys really have outdone yourselves at times, especially since season 7.
Oooo, liked America's Sweethearts. In fact, I have a bit of a weakness for romantic comedies. ;)
I'm told that's one of the final signs of the Apocalypse...
"And don't forget the scripts. I'd strongly recommend Avenger 2.0."
No need to dig that old chestnut out. I only need TTTB and EDM. Joe, was it the gross deus ex machina ending to TTTB that inspired the title of your next script, which also conviently wrapped up. (See, zing!)
Joe,
I understand that you had a lot to do in the beginning of S9 and couldn't devote a lot of time to Mitchell. But why was Mitchell always filmed in the back of the room when the other characters were in a scene with him? Or in the back of the pack while walking down the hall? Why did he always get less closeups than everyone else? Were you trying to minimize his character so fans wouldn't notice him very much?
Thank you so much for this cocommand bit in season 10 line, Joe. It's going to be so much fun to watch it circulate the internet. GREAT JOB! Delicious.
Soapdish was pretty funny. And, I'm obviously not up to date on the latest comedy movies.
Joe - You have to agree that Mitchell is an important character on the show. Yet he was ignored for half of a season! You had ten episodes in the first half before a long hiatus, yet Mitchell spent most of it as a lamppost. DIdn't that worry you to do that for such an important character?
Joe agrees that Mitchell is an important character. It's just the fans who think otherwise.
Oy the hostilities!
Regarding Mitchell, I actually was predisposed to adore him as I am a Farscape junkie. But so far my beloved Ben seems like a fifth wheel and Mitchell seems to be not that interesting of a character (I'm reserving judgment since it's pretty early); plus I still have issues with the command thing.
Although I'll admit Amanda's idea that it might be cool and be a source of tension it Sam rebels against something Mitchell orders because she knows it's a bad idea intrigues me. Still would have been nice to have someone say "yes ma'am" to her like she had to say "yes sir" to Jack for so long. Oh well.
JMallozzi said...
Its not unlike the problem we had with Jonas's homeworld. After several episodes, we realized that although we'd named his nation, Kelowna, we had never named his planet - and the longer we waited, the more awkward it became to cleanly reveal).
I actually quite liked the "rename" reveal in Fallout...changing it to Langarra from whatever it was. And very appropriate that those ambassadors chose by committee. What was its original name again?
This reminds me of the issue regarding Chulak. If I remember correctly...and I probably am since I retain worthless trivia like a sponge and forget the important things like billing my clients (but I digress), the natives in COTG referred to "Chulak" as being a city...not the planet...then future episodes referred to Chulak as the name of the planet. That always puzzled me.
As for funny movies, I told my mother I recommended "Noises Off" and she agreed but said I also should have suggested the classic "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World."
So there ya go.
:D
Mary Beth
Dani347 said...
Soapdish was pretty funny. And, I'm obviously not up to date on the latest comedy movies.
You're right! Soapdish was a riot...
:D
Soapdish rocked! ;)
Good. We can all come together through a love of Soapdish;)
"The Sony forum is independantly moderated by guess who? Sony! The mod is employed by Sony. The pro danny people have to play by the rules too."
And we all know that Sony never screws ANYTHING up...
Someone (I can't keep track of anyone anymore) said:
"Thanks for pointing out the obvious mod bias on Sony. Who would have thought that the only people getting banned are Sam fans?"
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*gasp*
The plot thickens!
And I am seriously wounded by your Avenger 2.0 statement, Joe. Wounded! :D
"Joe, was it the gross deus ex machina ending to TTTB that inspired the title of your next script, which also conviently wrapped up. (See, zing!)"
Unfortunately, that one wasn't zingworthy as there was no deus ex machina in Ex Deus Machina. In Greek drama, Deus Ex Machina referred to a god that was lowered onto the stage by resolve the plot. It has come to refer to similar "hand of God" resolutions that come out of nowhere - in other words, do not spring from the actions of our protagonists. Take the ending of Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes. The attack at film's end is resolved by the sudden and convenient appearance of the space monkey, something our protagonist had no hand in bringing about. Compare this to the episode in question in which Mitchell (our protagonist) comes up with the idea, and makes use of tools at this disposal (in this case the Prometheus and its beaming technology) to resovle the problem. You can argue that its over the top or implausible, but, technically, its not a Deus Ex Machina.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, Joe.
Are you trying to say that MITCHELL is a God? An ex-God? What are you trying to say? I think you're seriously downplaying the other characters when you do that. Stop talking about him so much. It wounds me.
Yeah, but seriously, Joe, that whole, the-building-has-disappeared-and-no-one-notices-a-thing business HAD to have been an act of God. :p Not to mention the five Ba'als. How fab is that?
Jingle Baals, Jingle Baals...
Re-Horakhti
JMallozzi said...
"Joe, what is the reaction the writers feel towards the whole "script elf" notion?"
To be perfectly honest, the other writers rarely venture online. The script elves were my response to a very small portion of fans who have been critical of the show for years and, unwilling to believe that the same writers were responsible for season 9. When a couple of them floated the theory that, maybe, these new scripts were secretly being written by ghost writers, I floated the equally ridiculous script elves conspiracy theory. They loved it!
I suppose you saw Leah's script elves cartoon? It's just lovely! :) http://cartoons.ashtonpress.net/startoons.htm
Script...Elves???
*blink* *blink* *blink*
WOW. That's......sad.
Although I might go so far as to attribute The Ties that Bind to some sort of parellel universe rendition of Joe & Paul. They after all wrote the brilliance that was Window of Opportunity which was fabulously scripted and timed and just frellin' hilarious.
TTTB? Not so much.
Sorry Joe.
:( :( :(
what kind of craziness is this!!1!!!
first script elves and now paper weight fairys?/!??!1! this fandom really has gone whackko, guys 4 real this time. i guess pwfs work tho if you liek that sort of thing. i dun get where peeples get this stuff tho with the script elvs thats jes weird
tttb had a great title and an interesting premise, but it was kinda missing something i dunno what it was. its jes kinda bad i guess in comparison to your other work, joe!1#!
window of op was the shizitizzle tho. id watch that everday if i could.
peace.
By the way, the people you mentioned (BC, TC,etc.) are the exception rather than the rule. Most of the SF posters are more like Kalliope.
Incessant Babbler is banned? I rather enjoyed her "different" point of view; found it refreshing. Is that why she was banned?
Crabby
Perhaps she said one word too many. Happens. And could you please get off my back? Thank you.
JMallozzi said...
"You can argue that its over the top or implausible, but, technically, its not a Deus Ex Machina."
Hmm. I don't think it's over the top or implausible except for the fact that they seemingly got away with it.
Even for Lost City, they were caught by at least one source that we know of so far (Alec Colson) and I'd be hard pressed to believe that NO ONE ELSE has evidence of this major battle but hasn't come forward yet for whatever reason. Is that possible, Joe? Will this be revisited or is Covenant the extent of them getting "caught" for that incident?
Back to EDM...here we have this brand spankin' new building that vanishes off the face of the earth and there's barely a rumble? Just that one report at the end that poked holes in the SGC's cover story?
What if there was someone who saw the building get beamed up? Or security camera that accidentally caught that footage? Same question as above, Joe. Did they get caught on hidden camera, so to speak, only to face the consequences down the road? I hope so because I just can't believe no one else saw this or that everyone buys the cover story.
As for plausiblity, I mean it's a show about snakeheads and Asgard and wormholes and replicators, for crying out loud. I'm not bothered by a building being beamed into space.
For me, the implausibility factor comes into play only if there's no follow-up or consequence and they actually got away with it cleanly.
Yeah, I know. Me and my thing about following things up (read: ship). :D
MB
Kalliope said:
"Perhaps she said one word too many. Happens. And could you please get off my back? Thank you."
Any word is 'one word too many' if it goes against Our Beloved and The Dark-Haired One. Then again, you can't really trust ONE (painfully biased) mod to catch everything, eh?
But we won't drag the slime from that pathetic excuse of a "forum" into this unmoderated one, k? So don't bother bringing Windjammers, Tivteryn, WillowSpring99, Starkindler, or sgsema over here to post anonymously.
And here's a thought: Stay in the Crazies Section where you so rightfully belong. You know, where a "very small portion of fans" can continue to bask in the creative genius of magical writing keeblers. You have, after all, worked so very hard to keep the riff-raff out.
Finally, people will indeed get off your back, once you stop acting like a jackass. So unhitch that saddle, dear Kalli, and get off that trail. That big hole in the ground you're descending is NOT the Grand Canyon.
Send my love to the gang, too. It's just not the same without that particular headache.
Party on!
~IB
Incessant Babbler said...
You know, where a "very small portion of fans" can continue to bask in the creative genius of magical writing keeblers.
IB,
I am appalled by the lacksidasical way you blithly mention the Keebler Elves (TM), with little or no regard as to what this kind of implication could do to our stellar reputation.
Me and my team of elves have worked night and day for over 100 years to provide only the best in cookies and crackers. Perhaps you've even seen me on TV! What have we, the Keebler Elves (TM) ever done to deserve being pulled into this lunacy, I ask you?????
Wait...on second thought...maybe I should ask my nephew Elmer if he knows about this. I have been wondering where he got the dough (dough...heh heh...Elf baking humor) to get that smokin' new Mercedes. He is only a Baker-in-Training after all.
I'll report back later when I get the skinny on my nephew's doings. (Skinny...heh heh...more baking humor.)
Until then...if you see an Elf, be kind and give him a hug. Elves just love that, you know. So do other magical beings for that matter. Except trolls.
But you know that already, don't you IB? Looks like you've met your fill of them.
Love,
Ernie
ROFL, Mary Beth. That was hilarious!
Oooh, looks like Elmer's got some 'splainin' to do. Uncle Ernie wants a Jetta.
;)
the dancer of spaz said...
ROFL, Mary Beth. That was hilarious!
Oooh, looks like Elmer's got some 'splainin' to do. Uncle Ernie wants a Jetta.
Hey, it's way late...er...early; give a girl a break already. :D
Wait...I'M Uncle Ernie, FCOL...and while I'll admit I'm thoroughly surprised my sparky yet seriously dim nephew Elmer would go for the Benz, it was in fact the first car I could think of.
Glad you enjoyed it anyway. I hope IB will too if he/she ever sees it.
:D
Mary Beth
And we all know that Sony never screws ANYTHING up...
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh dear god... thats gold. +5 cookie points to you sir :D
haahahahahaha
down with sony!
So this is the ugly side of fandom.
Not attractive at all.
Any word is 'one word too many' if it goes against Our Beloved and The Dark-Haired One. Then again, you can't really trust ONE (painfully biased) mod to catch everything, eh?
But we won't drag the slime from that pathetic excuse of a "forum" into this unmoderated one, k? So don't bother bringing Windjammers, Tivteryn, WillowSpring99, Starkindler, or sgsema over here to post anonymously.
And here's a thought: Stay in the Crazies Section where you so rightfully belong. You know, where a "very small portion of fans" can continue to bask in the creative genius of magical writing keeblers. You have, after all, worked so very hard to keep the riff-raff out.
Finally, people will indeed get off your back, once you stop acting like a jackass. So unhitch that saddle, dear Kalli, and get off that trail. That big hole in the ground you're descending is NOT the Grand Canyon.
Send my love to the gang, too. It's just not the same without that particular headache.
Party on!
~IB
I don't really know who reported you to Guide_Storm, but it wasn't me. So your aggression towards me now is extremely unfair and I expect you to say "sorry".
And believe it or not, but I actually used to sort of like you when you were on Sony Board, some of your posts gave me a lot of good laugh.
JMallozzi wrote:
"Any chance that "wild" and "crazy" idea for the 200th episode includes an appearance by Jack O'neill?"
Different crazy idea.
Uhm just to clarify, having O'Neill to appear is considered crazy these days?
"Any chance of Jack O'neill showing up in the 200th episode?"
There's always a chance but, to be perfectly honest, we haven't discussed guest-appearances for this episode yet.
I can absolutely understand that, but if you'd seriously consider it, you'd have to ask so, you know, you could write for him? Wouldn't you need to know that before you actually write the episode? Of course this assumes we get something more than the 'I'm hungry' line from Origin, I don't think that one needed a whole lot of planing.
"Joe, was it the gross deus ex machina ending to TTTB that inspired the title of your next script, which also conviently wrapped up. (See, zing!)"
Joe's right about there being no deus ex machina ending to Ex Deus Machina (Oh and btw-great episode). Also, I see no such ending to TTTB either. The actions of SG-1 succeeded in getting them the cargo ship which got them the power coil which got them the necklace, but it turned out that what they were doing was pointless anyway. So call the episode pointless if you like (though I found it to be extremely hilarious), but there is no dues ex machina.
Joe,
I thought SG-1's 'Deus Ex Machina' was magnificent, but there's one problem I have with it: At the end of the episode when Mitchell beams the building into space. Clever as it is, is it even possible (in the Stargate universe)? Usually when things are beamed from one location to another, they must be beamed onto the Prometheus; This holds true even for the more advanced Daedlus, as we see when Ford is beamed out of the ocean in Martin Gero's 'The Siege, Part III'. Seeing that the bulding is bigger than the Prometheus can seemingly accomodate, how is it beamed directly from point A (earth) to point C (space) without being brought aboard the Prometheus (point b)? Thanks in advance.
Hi Joe.
I cant remember if you ever said that you had watched Futurama. But it is a pretty funny show.
H
Ok, this is probably a total waste of time but I've got nothing better to do right now.
To the poster basher:
Whatever grudge you have against the people who post on Sony, you should keep to yourself, 'cause you're just making yourself look bad--of course, you probably don't care.
The thing is all the stuff you are cranky about them doing, other fan groups are also doing--just about different people or things. Take a stroll through the threads at GW
Fluff? Every thunk thread on GW talks about the actors' butts. The shipper thread just celebrated "Shipmas" for crying out loud. And apparently, the Sam fans live in a kingdom ruled by a Sam/Amanda hybred. It's all in good fun.
Bashing characters? Take a look at how many are complaining about Mitchell or Vala.
Gushing about episodes they like? Again check out shipper threads and thunk threads to see positively giddy fans gush about their favorite episodes over and over. So what? If some folks like the first few episodes of season 9 and gush about them, so what? It's their opinion. One group doesn't like season 6 (TSTSNBN) and says so loudly, another group doesn't like the first few episodes of season 9, and says so loudly, so what?
Bashing real people? Well, Joe is getting plently of rudeness directed at him and not by Daniel fans of late. Many of those are the same ones who pledged to devotedly "trust the powers that be" a few years ago but now that they aren't getting what they want, it's a different story. Whatever.
I also just read a diatribe against DdL and PdL in the shipper thread--real nice behavior.
OK, my point is you can find examples of bad fan behavior in every fan group and pointing fingers at just one over and over again makes you look like you have a personal grudge which makes you look petty and small.
I don't care what people like or dislike about the show and if they want to express those feelings--positive or negative--they should go for it. What gets me is the hypocrisy of those who want to stir up trouble by saying MY fan group is better than THAT one. No isn't, it's just harping gushing about different things.
This discussion about the Sony boad mods seems to be about which set of fans they like better or about trying to prove a point about what side they are on or in support of arguments about which side of fandom is more nasty. That is how the conversations on the Sony forum seem to degenerate into between hardcore fans of Sam/pro ship and hardcore fans of Daniel/Anti ship.
The truth is that the majority of people banned from the Sony forum are done so because they break the rules about personal attacks and they argue with the mods over being modded for bad behavior. An equal amount of so called Daniel fans have been banned as well for the same reasons. This is something that will get you modded or banned from any forum with decent moderators and sets of rules.
Neither the Sony forum posting guidelines http://www.sonypictures.com/corp/tos.html or TOS http://www.sonypictures.com/corp/tos.html Make any reference to it not being permittable to have a negative opinion of an actor or a member of production of the show. The guidelines are about and for people participating on the forum themselves. The actors and other members of production do not post to the forum.
It has been my experience at the Sony boards that as long as posters stick to discussion about the characters and the show, they can safely express those opinions or make any desertations about the show and characters they want to. It's only when it degenerates into a slanging/mudslinging match between fans about fannish behavior or 'fannish wars or issues' that the mods step in and remove posts and ban people.
Most of the time these things are brought to mods attention from people like myself who find it disheartinging to have decent discussion threads continually degenerate into the same old war of words and accusations being flung about.
The mods as Sony do a fine job of trying to keep the boards free of old baggage from fandom wars while allowing fans to expresss their individual opinions about the show. My advice to fans who think the Sony forum is too 'Daniel friendly/anti-Sam is not to come there to fight the same old battles, but to come there and talk about Sam and her character and what you like about her. Ignore the retoric and the same old insults flung and just talk about the character and the show.
Same for Daniel fans. The forum is only what you chose to make of it and you have the power to make it more friendly or you can walk away from it. But if you do walk away, then don't blame the people who have made it more to their liking.
Bashing real people? Well, Joe is getting plently of rudeness directed at him and not by Daniel fans of late. Many of those are the same ones who pledged to devotedly "trust the powers that be" a few years ago but now that they aren't getting what they want, it's a different story. Whatever.
I also just read a diatribe against DdL and PdL in the shipper thread--real nice behavior.
Hilarious readding isn't it? You can see by the number of page views in realtion to the number of posts how many people get their daily laughs from that shipper threads. It's better than a sitcom. It seems that the only person that doesn't ever get attacked there is RDA, which certainly adds weight to theory that by and large shippers are virgina teenager and bored housewives who identify with Sam only so far as it supports their fantasy of shagging Tricky Dickie. Pattie and Selma much, people?
Anyhoo, the real fun of it is trying to guess who will be on their sh*t list next. Will it be AT for refusing to believe in Sammie's undying love, or has she dared to spend her money on cosmetic surgery again? Or will it be Joe for being meeeeaaaan to them? How about the Shanks/Judge conspiracy to keep RDA away from the show by not saying how much they miss in each and every interview? (Though who could be more adoring and fanboyish on the subject of RDA than MS at a con, I couldn't imagine.) Or that particularly convoluted piece of hysteria in which AT is both being so badly treated that she is practically being pushed out of the show, while at the same time is being used by the evil PTB to carry not one but now two!!! shows all by herself and without even a second tub of hair product! Oh, woe is me!!!!
I'm thinking of starting a betting pool, who's up for even money on Shanks upseting them before the end of next week?
Just like the Sodan did for us Blacks, and the Amazon Jaffa did for the Feminist Movement, do you think you'll create a Gay Jaffa Group anytime soon? A name like, the Rainbow Bright Band would be a good suggestion.
My, my Joe you're certainly chatty in this blog. Nice to read...
Certainly makes reading the anonymous soap-dish chatter more interesting.
As for modern day comedy? What comedy? If I'm gonna waste money going to the theater (HA!) I'll give the twenty bucks plus, plus... I would'a spent at the movie's and give it to the old man up the street that babbles in latin. He'd at least get a good buzz out of whatever bad gin he bought...
I have to wonder why the people who use this site feel so threatened by other sites with different opinions. Is there any forum out there that isn't reviled by the gentle poster of Gateworld? They don't like OS, or Sony, or Solutions or the Sci Fi board. Perhaps it's because it's too scary when people don't just reply, " OMG!!!!!!!!! THAT IS SOOOOO TROOOOOO!!!!" to their opinions?
Kalliope said:
"I don't really know who reported you to Guide_Storm, but it wasn't me. So your aggression towards me now is extremely unfair and I expect you to say "sorry".
And believe it or not, but I actually used to sort of like you when you were on Sony Board, some of your posts gave me a lot of good laugh."
All I know is, you didn't have to respond to the statements about me the way you did - especially if you weren't looking to offend. So next time you want to say something witty like, "Maybe she said one word too many. Happens," think of how that sounds to the person you're talking about, okay?
Anonymous said:
"Whatever grudge you have against the people who post on Sony, you should keep to yourself, 'cause you're just making yourself look bad--of course, you probably don't care."
It's really not about image anymore. And, if you've ever looked at the Sony forums with anything OTHER than Danny-Colored Glasses, you'd get that.
Honestly, it doesn't have to be about fandom wars or petty fighting. It's about basic respect. In the rules, it does NOT state that the posters have to sing the goody-gumdrop praises of the actors. That's fine. I understand that. And I certainly don't expect people to love EVERY character. That's just ludicrousy.
But, as per usual, the legion of fans over there took it too far - especially in regards to the growing number of fans who actually challenged (or, discussed, if you will) the logic of people's arguments. The fact of the matter is, people who actively disagree with them - even slightly - get a big "S" painted on their chests, and are never taken seriously again.
However, if you go over there with the mindset that Sam (and consequently ship) are the Evils of Stargate, you're welcomed with open arms. In fact, you're encouraged to change topics in threads that discuss the merits of ping pong playing to the Evil that is Samantha Carter.
But I challenge someone to go over there and say one thing (not even inflammatory, just not the same praise rhetoric) about Michael Shanks, Daniel Jackson or Vala Mal Doran, and see how quickly they're shut down. It's uncanny.
Believe what you want about GW. But common logic says that one moderator can't be unbiased or objective enough to moderate a whole forum. Thank God Darren, David and their LARGE GROUP of mods have gotten that right over the years. Certainly explains why no one "official" even bothers with Sony, doesn't it?
~IB
"The thing is all the stuff you are cranky about them doing, other fan groups are also doing--just about different people or things. Take a stroll through the threads at GW"
Sure. Let me know as soon as gateworld has a thread devoted to counting down the days until Vala returns. Or one that cultishly repeats the script elf song. Or numerous, redundant threads giving glowing praise to the miniseries. Or when most of the new threads eventually devolve into [insert character here] bashing. I've been able to find my niche in gateworld, and no, I'm not a Sam fan or a Sam/Jack fan or even a Daniel fan. I've never felt welcome at Sony because I don't tow their line.
How can you be threatened of a forum that's so bland and one-sided? Disappointed is more like it.
Stargate's just so great, isn't it?
What is actually wrong with the countdown to Vala's return to the show? She's our favourite character so it's perfectly normal that we're counting days to Crusade episode, and after Camelot we'll be doing this until season 10 airs.
Script Elves song? Are you envy that you're not as creative and talented as people who wrote them? Looks like it...
Mini-series? The first 5 and 1/4 episodes of season 9 really feel like a mini-series within a series, pure pleasure to watch, great acting, especially from Claudia Black, not any second of boring dialogue or action (sorry Joe, but EDM is my less favourite episode and I just wasn't able to believe it was written by the same men who gave me 43 minutes of laughing while watching The Ties That Bind), the script elves did really wonderful job with these episodes and I hope to see the same in season 10.
Oldies but goodies from my high school days:
Animal House
Blazing Saddles
Young Frankenstein
(I love Gene Wilder)
From the 80's:
Porky's
!Three Amigos!
They all still make me laugh now, at 48, as much as they did back then.
I would add almost everything with Louis de Funes, I just love French comedies and he was really great comedienne.
Young Frankenstein
Ooh! Yes.
Joe,
could you please pass our congratulations to Claudia on winning BEST SCIFI ACTRESS (TV or FILM) award? Well deserved! :)
BEST SCI-FI ACTRESS (TV OR FILM)
WINNER: Claudia Black
Runner-up: Amanda Tapping, Summer Glau
A fan favorite from the now canceled Farscape, Claudia Black moved over to SG-1 with newcomer Ben Browder (also from Farscape) while Amanda Tapping recovered from having her baby. Her stint was only a handful of episodes long (around 5-7 in total), but since her leaving she has been sorely missed by those who loved her portrayal of the character Vala. Vala was funny, flirty, dangerous, and worked well with all of the other characters…especially Daniel Jackson. The demand of the fans has been so great, next year she will officially join the cast as a full-time member. We already wish that day were now.
http://scifibrain.ign.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1635
ha, ha, kalliope you're pathetic. stalk much?
Congrats to Claudia! She definately deserves it.
Joe, you do realize that SG-1 is lucky to have her full time next season, right?
Kalliope said...
What is actually wrong with the countdown to Vala's return to the show? She's our favourite character so it's perfectly normal that we're counting days to Crusade episode, and after Camelot we'll be doing this until season 10 airs.
Script Elves song? Are you envy that you're not as creative and talented as people who wrote them? Looks like it...
Mini-series? The first 5 and 1/4 episodes of season 9 really feel like a mini-series within a series, pure pleasure to watch, great acting, especially from Claudia Black, not any second of boring dialogue or action (sorry Joe, but EDM is my less favourite episode and I just wasn't able to believe it was written by the same men who gave me 43 minutes of laughing while watching The Ties That Bind), the script elves did really wonderful job with these episodes and I hope to see the same in season 10.
I'm a firm believer in free expression, no matter what the opinion. But I must admit, Kalliope, that I find your constant fan-girl questions, your whole attitufe about Vala, to be just embarrassing. I just cringe when I read some of the things you ask/write because they seem so incredibly juvenile. But who knows, maybe you are just a young kid. I just wish you could restrain yourself a bit; it's all so unseemly.
Oh, yeah, Stargate is lucky. Bullshit K-spice. It's CB who's lucky. She's got a network to find work for her, even where it ruins a show. Stargate vs. Unemployment. SHe's not lucky....she should be thankful.
Kalliope said "(sorry Joe, but EDM is my less favourite episode and I just wasn't able to believe it was written by the same men who gave me 43 minutes of laughing while watching The Ties That Bind)"
This is rich - least favorite and most favorite out of 10 episodes. Everyone knows you did not watch Stargate until now so get over yourself with this stuff and everyone knows the only reason your favorite character is Vala is because you have a hard-on for CB, it has nothing to do with the show or the history of the show or the quality of the show. You are what one would call a scary, scary fan.
I'm a firm believer in free expression, no matter what the opinion. But I must admit, Kalliope, that I find your constant fan-girl questions, your whole attitufe about Vala, to be just embarrassing. I just cringe when I read some of the things you ask/write because they seem so incredibly juvenile. But who knows, maybe you are just a young kid. I just wish you could restrain yourself a bit; it's all so unseemly.
English is not my first language, so I'm not able to write it so eloquently as I'd do that in my own language, too little practice in the past...
It's interesting that you find my questions about my favourite character played by my favourite actress on this show embarassing and you don't cringe on constant whining from some people for "just one Sam/Jack scene, Joe, just one, just one, beg, please?" Frelling hypocrits...
K,
I realize EN is not your first language; it has nothing to do with how eloquently you express yourself (as a matter of fact, I think your command of the English language is very, very good.)
Having said that, I do think that asking Joe if there would be any scenes in S10 of Christmastime with Vala at the SGC and asking what kind of present Daniel might get her would be something better left to the privacy of *your* imagination or discussion among those fans that would care about such things. Sorry, it's just a goofey and embarrassing thing to ask Joe.
I guess I don't cringe on the Sam thing (not a Sam fan myself) because I do feel that those fans kind of deserve (if you can say that any fans deserve anything) to have some kind of closure on Sam and Jack. There's no reason NOT to do it; it wouldn't hurt anyone and I doubt that RDA will ever come back to this show. But if someone asked Joe what Sam's wedding dress would look like, yeah, then I'd be embarrassed and cringe as well.
And anytime anyone says anything even remotely critical about Claudia, you get all defensive and start attacking as if you know her personally. Perhaps OS and Sony are good places for you since they do the same thing with Daniel. Truthfully, I wish there was one place I could go and read discussions where you were not. If there is such a place, please let me know.
Clue is also a good comedy.
This is rich - least favorite and most favorite out of 10 episodes. Everyone knows you did not watch Stargate until now so get over yourself with this stuff and everyone knows the only reason your favorite character is Vala is because you have a hard-on for CB, it has nothing to do with the show or the history of the show or the quality of the show. You are what one would call a scary, scary fan.
Why do you think that TTTB is my favourite episode? Only because I said it gave me 43 minutes of laughing? Don't jump to the "easiest" conclusions so quickly please.
If you want to know The Powers That Be is my favourite episode so far, I'm happy we've finally saw the glimpses or real Vala in this one. Avalon pt. 2 comes second, The Ties That Bind/Origin ex-equo third, Avalon pt. 1 fourth, Beachhead/Prototype ex-equo fifth, Fourth Horseman pt. 1 sixth, Babylon/Ex Deux Machina ex-equo seventh.
About my Christmas on SGC base question... it's Christmas time now (OK, just ended), right? ;)
Kalliope said...
About my Christmas on SGC base question... it's Christmas time now (OK, just ended), right? ;),
Who the heck cares whether it is Christmas time now or whether it's Halloween, or Easter? I suppose for Easter time you are going to ask Joe whether Daniel and Vala will be shown coloring Easter eggs at the SCG and what color rabbit Daniel is going to give Vala. How you dare criticise the Sam/Jack shippers for their questions when yours sound as if they come out of the mouth of a love-struck teenager -- is incomprehensible to me.
I'm with the other person....I really wish you'd go back to the Sony Forums or OS and play there and fantasize about Vala all you want. Just shoo, please. And if you are actually a love-struck teenager, then I suggest you talk to someone about this obsession you have.
LOVE Clue. :) I just live in fear that they'll try to remake it and will destroy everything cool about it. *sigh*
Did you hear they're planning to remake Mary Poppins?? So help me, if Tom Hanks plays Burt, I'm going to have to do something particularly violent...
Joe-
Well the thing I recommend to watch that makes me laugh everytime I see it is not a movie. It's the Bill Cosby comedy routine Bill Cosby: Himself.
Any of the old Red Skelton classic comedy routines or the Danny Kaye comedy movies.
Remake Mary Poppins? Nooooooo!!!
Ditto the Danny Kaye recommendations.
Joe...
Rather than using your new PC for PC's software (either the original or new 2.0 release), why not simply get rid of any and all controversial characters and storylines...
So...that would mean ditching...
1. Sam. Brilliant and strong (and my personal fave), yet some fans hate her for whatever reasons. Perhaps because of Jack or because she's too smart? Nevertheless, she must go.
2. Daniel. He's not so much controversial as a small clan of his whacked out fans are. Well, okay...he's getting a lot edgier and too dark. So dump the archeologist.
3. Mitchell. Controversial in both his position on the team as well as his very reason for being there. Bye bye crackerjack pilot.
4. Vala. Too over the top for so many and feeds too much of the Dannyranter fervor...although I'll bet they're hating the idea that she and Sam might have the same kind of antagonistic friendship Daniel and Jack had for so long. But her and Mitchell on the same show??? Oy...must mean Farscape Part Deux, right? So, adios Vala!
Hmm. Looks like the only leading character left to work with is Teal'c. But then with all of the focus on him, he'd become controversial too after awhile.
I guess at that point we can just look at the pretty pictures of the gate kawooshing and call it a day. (That's
still uncontroversial, right?)
Mary Beth :D
(who apologizes for this post as it was the result of sinus medication)
ÜberSG-1Fan said...
Joe...
Rather than using your new PC for PC's software (either the original or new 2.0 release), why not simply get rid of any and all controversial characters and storylines...
So...that would mean ditching...
1. Sam. Brilliant and strong (and my personal fave), yet some fans hate her for whatever reasons. Perhaps because of Jack or because she's too smart? Nevertheless, she must go.
2. Daniel. He's not so much controversial as a small clan of his whacked out fans are. Well, okay...he's getting a lot edgier and too dark. So dump the archeologist.
3. Mitchell. Controversial in both his position on the team as well as his very reason for being there. Bye bye crackerjack pilot.
4. Vala. Too over the top for so many and feeds too much of the Dannyranter fervor...although I'll bet they're hating the idea that she and Sam might have the same kind of antagonistic friendship Daniel and Jack had for so long. But her and Mitchell on the same show??? Oy...must mean Farscape Part Deux, right? So, adios Vala!
Hmm. Looks like the only leading character left to work with is Teal'c. But then with all of the focus on him, he'd become controversial too after awhile.
I guess at that point we can just look at the pretty pictures of the gate kawooshing and call it a day. (That's
still uncontroversial, right?)
Mary Beth :D
(who apologizes for this post as it was the result of sinus medication)
Thanks God I wasn't drinking anything at the moment, as my monitor would be in serious danger :D that was brilliant , MB!
Hey Joe, can we please not have Sam and Vala as good friends? They are far to different to be good friends. It'd be nice to see some resentment or antagonism there between them... you never know, it might actually add some depth to Sam's character too.
Oh and no Sam being great friends with everyone else, including Daniel and Teal'c. She ignored them whenever Jack was around for the past 4 seasons, why change the dynamic?
Yes, let's have Sam and Vala hate each other. That's a FABULOUS way to bring together Sam and Vala fans. It's not really a stretch either, since so many Vala fans are convinced that Sam hates her just from that one backup singer comment.
Maybe, just maybe, the writers could pen a strong, positive relationship between two women on stargate? I've given up on Weir and Teyla, but maybe there's hope for Sam and Vala.
ÜberSG-1Fan said...
I guess at that point we can just look at the pretty pictures of the gate kawooshing and call it a day. (That's still uncontroversial, right?)
Until somesome drops dead because the light display and noise levels caused some unknown seizure....
I'd pass you a tissue for your sinus issues, but someone out there might get the wrong idea...
Jen
Maybe, just maybe, the writers could pen a strong, positive relationship between two women on stargate?
Until a woman writer is actually hired to write the parts for the women in these series you will never ever see a positively writen female role or a positive relationship between women that isn't tainted with sex. Though I did admire the relationship between Sam and Janet. Very nicely done and portrayed.
What about Janet? Very good female role.
Truthfully, I wish there was one place I could go and read discussions where you were not. If there is such a place, please let me know.
It seems she got banned from Solutions for her antagonism and scariness. Whatever you might say about that forum, it is now a Kalliope-free zone.
hello, joe,
i feel the *only* reasons you're (ptb) addressing the sam-mitchell command and vala issues are because enough fans complained for long enough. where does that leave s/j ship? i think most fans are burned out on the subject, and shippers are so disappointed in the lack of real resolution (having them as a real couple) that they've left... does pulling back on s/j ship mean you'll *never* address it now? I'm asking (pleading) as a shipper, PLEASE address it!
k, done with my whining. :p
sally :)
ps - there ARE a lot of shippers out there, whether they're speaking up or not. it's a lonely visit in shipper town these days.
Joe, just want to jam home how much we'd appreciate a guest spot from RDA. As the poster above intimated, you do have to ask for him to say yes, don't you?
Joe I like the ideas uve presented Can u give some more Info About the Ep with Mckays sister whats that going to be like also here my major question from watching all the stargate over the years we know the Humans are on the road to becoming the fith great race weve met the Ancients ascard and the Nox alrdy but the one group we havent ever scene or now anything about is the furlings is there a way i know this is out there just a chance u can give a ep this season to the furlings so we can finally meet them and see what there all about i think every one in the stargate Universe would like to see that aslo Can we for the 200th ep have a special eps wth RDA that would be amazing one where he anoncises his love for smantha and can we see hamon in the ep to we miss him
someone said: Joe agrees that Mitchell is an important character. It's just the fans who think otherwise.//
speaking as a huge sam fan, i can tell you i think he's an important character.
i loved his stuff in the first two episodes. i *loved* the flashbacks, and seeing him trying to reassemble the original sg1, and seeing him auditioning new sg1 members. BUT, as soon as he went out with daniel and teal'c on a mission is when his one-liners started and my appreciation of him diminished. and then when sam came back, and she didn't get the team back OR it wasn't addressed *why* she didn't want it/ask for it/have it offered to her (in other words, addressed), it was another hit on my mitchell meter.
but i thought he started out great. a sincere and earnest officer, wanting to work with THE best of the best... and then i felt he became a jack-like guy that was extremely out of his league. i don't think he's a bad leader by any means, just... what's a guy like this doing directing three ppl like this? sg1 doesn't need a baby sitter, and that's how it comes off to me when you've got sam, teal'c, and daniel on your team. unless mitchell was extremely experienced in all things stargate, he's dwarfed by teal'c, sam, and daniel.
but other than that, i like mitchell.:p really, though, i do. i just liked the earnest guy i saw in the scenes i mentioned above.
sally :)
Furlings we want to see them
First - not everyone wants resolution to the sam'jack thing. As I have said before UST works, RST more oft then not is cheesy.
Secondly, just because Sam and Vala are friendly doesn't mean they are going to be 'good friends'. I want them to get along, as I think serious antagonsim will get tired very quickly - but that does not mean I want their relationship tension free.
Why is it the people assume women either have to love each other or hate each other. There are layers, let's play with the layers. IE: Sam and Janet were friends, good friends. Did this mean they always agreed and there was never any tension in the relationship? Nope, there was tenion, there was diasgreements. Issues like this are not black or white - they are shades of grey and I hope that gets played with.
And Mary Beth - lmao!!! You actually make sense. Lets make it a show about pretty lights; and Jack - because Jack was never contriversal. Maybe we could have someone narrating where Jack is at every given time while we see the Stargate light show?
:) - sinus medication is of the fun.
It's funny how some will point the finger at Samanda or Shipmas and say, "SEE?? They do silly fan things too!"
On the surface I agree...but there is an important distinction.
Samanda and Shipmas, while being silly fan things (and all parties will agree this is true) are entirely complimentary and positive. The Sam Carter fans appreciate Sam and Amanda and this is their silly way to celebrate their appreciation of her. Same with Shipmas...meant to appreciate Jack/Sam ship during Christmas. Again...all positive.
My problem with the whole "Hallowed are the Script Elves" thing and "5-1/4 episode miniseries" thing however is that, when you stop and think about it, they are both really back-handed compliments. Sure there's a silliness fan factor hailing the enjoyment of something on the show, but they're done with a negative bias. We won't even go into the whole TSTSNBN, which is all negative.
The Script Elves are praised for their genius of the first part of the season 9...but they are praised because that magic couldn't possibly have been written by the same crew that gave us TSTSNBN or seasons 7 or 8. Therefore magical beings, who flutter through the air with the greatest of ease, penned the genius and brilliance that was the miniseries until...lo and behold...Sam Carter returned to duty! Then those pesky elves went on strike and the 5 1/4 episode miniseries came to an abrupt halt. Ain't that a coincidence? Sam arrived JUST when the magic died for them. Who'da thunk it???
In other words, the Script Elves and 5 1/4 episode miniseries by either definition or...at the very least...by implication disses both the writers and the character Samantha Carter.
MB
"ShadowMaat said...
Oooo, liked America's Sweethearts. In fact, I have a bit of a weakness for romantic comedies. ;)
I'm told that's one of the final signs of the Apocalypse... "
Well that would explain the locusts.;)
Shipperahoy
Seriously, Stargate needs Jack O'neill. Even if it is just guest spots here and there.
Adam
I want to explain something to those who don't seem to understand. TPTB did not just decide Jack should leave, Richard Dean Anderson chose to leave for personal reasons. Just because you want him to guest star, just because you want him on the show doesn't mean it can happen, and it isn't TPTB's fault. They can only work with what they have, and they don't have an RDA on contract, and thus no Jack to guest star...
And personally, I think the show is bigger then just Jack, and I think it is surviving without the man.
Kalliope said...
Thanks God I wasn't drinking anything at the moment, as my monitor would be in serious danger :D that was brilliant, MB!
Hey...it's what I do.
;)
Mary Beth
Can we have a ep devoted to the furlings this next season please
If you think the locusts are bad, just wait until you see what's next! ;)
Furlings we wzant furlings
adam said: Seriously, Stargate needs Jack O'neill. Even if it is just guest spots here and there.
Adam//
hear, hear! rda/jack is THE man!
and besides, jack's exit was dismal. heck, even maybourne got a better send-off than jack. :/
(((rda)))
and yes i know, rda chose to leave. but that doesn't mean that jack has to be as trivial as he's been written. this man was THE star/lead character for 8 years...
i miss not having so many issues. *eyes bulge*
sally :)
I just don't understand why people want so much focus on Jack - a reference every few or so episodes is more then enough - to me anyways.
Not to say I don't love Jack because I do, but he isn't on the show anymore - and I think it does a deservice to active members of the team to continuously reference an inactive member of the team. Add to that I always saw the show as more of an ensemble then SG-Jack, so maybe that's where our perceptions differ.
Sure, refer to the guy once in awhile... but that's all. But then again I am not a member of the shipper club where I need closure on Jack/Sam. Actually I am more wanting that closure never to be given.
But on the bright side majorsal - we can discuss this without getting personally and dissing each other or the characters etc... Ahh, it's nice to see :).
The show IS bigger than any of the principle four - but only marginally so. I think we're looking at a four-part entity that remained intact for 8 years. It's not just the great special effects or writing that kept people watching the show, but the actors and the characters working together.
That's why so many people wig out when it looks like one of them may never be on the show again (See: Behavior from Seasons Five and Six; two months ago; and the past few weeks).
While the series IS bigger than any one actor/character, the absence of that essential Fourth of the Whole can seem like a gaping chasm for most - painfully so for some.
Recognizing that fact couldn't hurt anybody. And I sincerely hope RDA doesn't think we're angry at him for moving on from his lengthy career. I don't think any clear-headed fan blames him for that decision at all. There are a choice few, but (like certain other fans) we'll disregard them for the sake of our sanity. ;)
And if RDA finds that he has a couple of free days on his hands some time this March... What's a well-established, long-standing and integral member of the original core cast to do? :P
~tdos
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Ooh I saw someone do a Best to Worst for this season so far. Can I play?
...From Best...
1. Beachhead...A supergate, the return of Sam and a big HONKIN' bomb going BOOM...YAY
2. The Powers That Be...Vala has a heart o' gold after all and boy are we in trouble (although did anyone catch that Mitchell caught the illness too??)
3. Prototype...Anubis's son...creepy cool and sorry he's gone
4. Ex Deus Machina...5 Ba'als, a defeated Teal'c and a "not exactly" (insert shippy smile here)
5. Fourth Horseman 1...Ori plague strikes earth and our heroes couldn't stop it...can't wait for part 2
6. Avalon 2...More interesting than part 1 and the sense of impending doom starts to build
7. Origin...establishing further how horrible the new threat is but it lacked...something
8. Avalon 1...choppy, lackluster setup episode
9. Babylon...slow Mitchell episode and a bit clichéd...okay, WAY clichéd...he deserved better
10.
11.
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...To What the Heck was THAT?!??...
422. Ties that Bind...I say again...What the Heck WAS that?!?? just...ARGH
Mary Beth
Er, I'm not sure if I agree with that recommendation about introducing us to the Furlings ... imagination is so much better. :)
BTW, I ebayed for PC for PC and was lucky to find a beta copy from a trader in Uzbekistan. Not sure if it's the same version you have but got it anyway.
I tried it out on a favourite piece to which I always return at the cusp of a new year - helping me to ponder upon and contemplate the nature of the human condition, the trials and challenges of our daily labours, and our place and role in the universe.
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"... Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho' we are not now that strength which in the old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are ..."
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Here's the result
"...always look on the bright side of life da-dah da-dah da-da-da-dah ..."
Indeed.
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I hope you aave a great new year - and sincere thanks for the always entertaining, intriguing, challenging and potentially very calorific blogs.
Can't wait to see the new eps in a few days time!
Joe, I'd love to see a guest appearance from RDA! Things just aren't the same without him. Mitchell is a poor substitute.
Clara
Dee said...
I just don't understand why people want so much focus on Jack - a reference every few or so episodes is more then enough - to me anyways.
Not to say I don't love Jack because I do, but he isn't on the show anymore - and I think it does a deservice to active members of the team to continuously reference an inactive member of the team. Add to that I always saw the show as more of an ensemble then SG-Jack, so maybe that's where our perceptions differ.//
if you'll remember, sam's my fave character, so i've never wanted it to be sg-jack. or sg-sam for that matter. i like(d) seeing the four of them together, doing their team thang. :D
//re, refer to the guy once in awhile... but that's all.//
i agree, totally.
//But then again I am not a member of the shipper club where I need closure on Jack/Sam.//
ah, that's not the only reason i want jack in an ep(s). it's one of the reasons, but not the only reason. i adore jack/rda. i liked his appearances in avalon 1, but in origin... *shakes head in the negative*
jack/rda is my second fave. but even if he wasn't one of my favorites, i'd still want to see some closure for this character. it's the right thing to do, for the character, the actor, and his fans. just my opinion of course
//(re:s/j)Actually I am more wanting that closure never to be given.//
why? i really am curious.
//But on the bright side majorsal - we can discuss this without getting personally and dissing each other or the characters etc... Ahh, it's nice to see :).//
yes. :D :D
sally :)
Joe,
As my comments regarding The Ties that Bind were fairly harsh and I KNOW how sensitive you are to our stinging reviews and commentaries... :D
...please let me make it up to you in some small way by telling you that this fan is getting positively GIDDY with anticipation regarding Ripple Effect and can't WAIT for January 20th to roll around.
I hope that bit of information serves as a salve to relieve the suffering you might be feeling from the wounds I so callously inflicted.
:D
Mary Beth (who's feeling a bit self-important at the moment and still reeling from the sinus meds)
Good call, Mary Beth with the salve. I'm sure he was weeping sorrowfully after your malicious zing. :P
There aren't enough tissues in the galaxy. ;)
~DoS
Oy...you've been taking your snarky pills again, haven't you spazzy???
:p
I just really don't understand the anger in here. It really seems as though a lot of people feel the need to somehow "prove" that what they like about the show is the absolute best and what they don't like is utter rubbish. I think that things would go so much easer if people could just accept the fact that they're not going to somehow change what people like by arguing the matter.
I really like Stargate but it's entertainment for me. I tend to take a pragmatic approach. Sure, there are things that bug me from time to time and I feel I have every right to express some constructive criticism but as long as I'm still entertained I'm a happy camper. But I do realize that what I am irritated by some people may love. Them's the breaks. It doesn't hurt my feelings.
I am a big Sam fan. Not everybody is. That's life. If I see people making harsh posts about Sam, yeah it bugs me, but I tend to skim past them. If people want to critisize Sam then they have every right.
Also I really don't see why people get so bent out of shape these days about fluff. Who cared if people post fluff. If the shippers want to have Shipmas or ShipDay or whatever who really gives a rats behind. It doesn't hurt anybody. If you don't like it then move on by. Conversely if the thunk thread want to write 1000 pages praising Michael's bum (what's not to praise) then more power to them. Keep on with the bum praising. If you don't like it don't read it. If the Daniel fans want to debate about boonies vs. not then why shouldn't they? Or glasses vs. no glasses. Or should Teal'c have hair or not. And on and on and on. Why is it such a matter of contention? It seems sometimes as though fan groups are trying to prove that they're the "serious fans".
And why the big inter-site wars? Each fan site is different and offer different things. Variety is a great thing. If you find a fan site where you're comfortable and like the people that are posting there then stick with it. It shouldn't matter if there's a site that you don't particularly enjoy or encompasses aspects of the show that you don't like. There's no need for bashing.
Goodness, that was long. I always try to avoid going on cuz I know that most people have probably stopped reading like 4 paragraphs ago. :-D
Not me. I read the whole thing, and I wish everyone else would and listen to it. Exactly what is the point of all the bashing?
I egt we need to know what happened to Jack fully, and they should address it... Hopefullly they already have and the episodes are just waiting to be aired..
majorsal as for why I don't want Sam and Jack to be dealt with, it's because I love when someone dangles a carrot and hypmotosises (yes, I can't spell, sorry) us with it... but I don't want to eat it. I like the allusions, but I never want it to all become cannon cannon. Sure, the sub-text of their relationship has on occasion become text, but I don't want it to be contsant text because from my experience that's when both the female and the male characters become boring and encreasingly 1 dimensional. I love Sam and Jack, and I would hate for that to really happen to them. Plus, I don't believe there *is* a happily ever after for them.
That's just me, but it doens't mean I don't get the sam/jack movement.
"As my comments regarding The Ties that Bind were fairly harsh and I KNOW how sensitive you are to our stinging reviews and commentaries..."
Believe it or not, I don't mind stinging reviews and commentaries so long as they're respectful opinions. Sometimes, I'll agree with fans who didn't like an episode I scripted. In the case of TTTB, I'll have to disagree since it was one of my faves. If you don't like an episode, that's perfectly fine. If you want to provide a take on exactly why you didn't like it, all the better. But if you want to be insulting about it - look out.
"Oy...you've been taking your snarky pills again, haven't you spazzy???
:p"
I've been self-medicating this holiday season. ;)
And Joe: Truly hope I haven't offended you. I have nothing against ya!
And did you say before that you guys will begin filming in February? :o
JMallozzi said...
Believe it or not, I don't mind stinging reviews and commentaries so long as they're respectful opinions. Sometimes, I'll agree with fans who didn't like an episode I scripted. In the case of TTTB, I'll have to disagree since it was one of my faves. If you don't like an episode, that's perfectly fine. If you want to provide a take on exactly why you didn't like it, all the better. But if you want to be insulting about it - look out.
Well hopefully you recognized that I said what I did about your being sensitive with tongue firmly planted in cheek... ;)
And I'm delighted to agree to disagree with you. I like episodes that some fans detest for that matter and I'm sure there are lots of fans who enjoyed this episode.
But since you kinda asked, here are the reasons I didn't like TTTB:
First, I didn't enjoy the whole bit in Washington. I don't buy that Daniel would have allowed Vala in that room much less allow her to speak up. It seemed very forced.
Second, I was extremely disappointed with the scene where Vala was in Daniel's bed...and no, not for that reason. I enjoy shippy moments as you know *cough*Jack/Sam*cough*. But I didn't like it when Vala turned it around and at least made it seem like she was baring her soul for opportunistic reasons.
Third, I was a bit grossed out by the Arlos confession of his carnal past with Vala. I know, inconceiveable! (sorry...small Princess Bride joke there)
Fourth, I was very disappointed with the bits with Mitchell. I found his comments extremely unfunny and flatly delivered.
Fifth, perhaps if the episode had seemed funnier to me, I wouldn't have minded the pointlessness of it all. But it felt like a filler episode and what I was hoping for was something that would show me who Mitchell was beyond the hero pilot schtick rather than a meaningless romp through the galaxy with Vala.
Here Mitchell was the new all important and valuable team member and at that time Vala was a temporary cast mate so I had hoped for an episode where I could better gauge his value to the team and make the appropriate adjustments in my opinion of him.
*******
Let me tell you what I did enjoy about the episode so you don't get the impression that I'd rather have my fingernails removed with pliers than watch this again.
*I thoroughly enjoyed the scene at the beginning where Daniel retrieves the trinket from Vala.
*I enjoyed the part where Vala sat on Daniel's glasses.
*I enjoyed the sequence with Brother Caius.
Uh...did I mention I'm REALLY looking forward to Ripple Effect??? :D
Oh and I didn't say this in that Best to Worst post above, but another beef I had against Babylon was it lacked that all-important team bonding "Space Monkey" moment at the very end where Sam, Daniel and Teal'c all show Mitchell how relieved they were and how much he was missed while he was gone.
Wow. I think that meets my whining quota for 2005. I hereby vow NOT to whine again until next year.
Mary Beth
Dani347 said...
Not me. I read the whole thing, and I wish everyone else would and listen to it. Exactly what is the point of all the bashing?
Good question... ;)
Joe ... just keep on doing what you do! I enjoy reading your blog for the same reason I enjoy the commentaries on the DVDs, special features and companion books ... to get a behind the scenes look at my favorite TV show. No show is perfect, and you can't please everyone every time ... but I think y'all are doing a good job. Stargate is well written with characters we care about (or hate, whichever the case may be - but it keeps us watching) without resorting to the slime and sleaze on so many of the shows currently airing.
Sure, we all have things we'd like to see or not see, but you and the other writers/producers/etc. are the ones dealing with the realities of producing a show - schedules, overall storylines/arcs/etc, budget, etc. - things that we, as fans, know nothing about.
Can't wait for the second half of Season 9 to start - just one more week!
Joe, If your aversion to SeaQuest is Dagwood, you should know season 1 is Dagwood free. Btw if you can pass a question on to Peter Deluise for me I would appreciate it. I enjoyed the dagwood character but why in the world would a Janitor be around for eveything important? It seemed a little forced to me..
Nate
Oh and I hope you and every one up in Vancouver Have a safe and prosperous new year. :)
Shipperahoy the first voice of reason said (Goodness, that was long. I always try to avoid going on cuz I know that most people have probably stopped reading like 4 paragraphs ago. :-D )
No way, I read every bit of it and cheered you all the way through. thanks for speaking plainly and honestly and above all making sense out of the nonsense.
THANK YOU!
Kalliope said...
Dani347 said...
Not me. I read the whole thing, and I wish everyone else would and listen to it. Exactly what is the point of all the bashing?
"Good question... ;)"
Kalliope - I really must thank you for the laughs you provide. You of all people questioning the bashing. Look at yourself my dear and then come back and question the bashing.
Joe Said: " No backsell in season 9, but we did briefly discuss a scenario by which the command issue would be clarified in season 10."
Will the co-command issue be addressed on screen in S10 to clarify that both are leading the team? Thank you.
KMM
Well... despite everything... HAPPY NEW YEAR, everybody! :)
To all Dannyranters, Samandans, Script Elves and everyone else reading this fine blog:
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Joe,
HAPPY NEW YEAR and great work on both shows!
Someone got this from an earlier blog remark you made [QUOTE=JMallozzi]We'll learn more about Sheppard's backstory in bits and pieces. However, at present, there are no stories in the works that specifically focus on his life.[/QUOTE]
So, why not write one? Sheppard is the lead character of Atlantis; and why shouldn't the fans learn more about him??
God, I'm so sick of people whining about Sheppard. Joe, just keep producing Mckay centered episodes and Atlantis will be just fine by the majority of fans' standards. He is the star of the show. Mckay can single handedly make Atlantis into a hit, bigger and better than any other show on tv. Don't cut his screentime just because a few fanatical Sheppard fans think Joe Flannigan is the lead. We want Mckay up front all the time. It's the only way Atlantis can succeed.
Speaking as a huge fan of McKay (and David), I'd like to see it toned down just a bit. Much as I love Rodney, it'd be nice if the producers could remember that there are, in fact, other people on the team... and other people in the city. I can't remember their names because they're always in the background and the spotlight on McKay doesn't reach 'em, but I know they've gotta be there... er... right? ;) Like the scruffy-haired guy and the really big dude and some chick...
Woohoo! Now we have infighting among the Atlantis fans.
2006 is gonna be a great year!!!
Yeah, the scruffy guy, I forgot about Tyr. He's a hit. I agree with the guy above, Dylan, er Sheppard, isn't the lead. Harper, er, McKay is.
Wow...2006 already...here's to a happy, prosperous and safe new year for all of us.
Joe...
Thank you for reading our notes and even responding to them. As anxious as we get about our favorite franchise and sometimes take things out on you, we DO appreciate your being here.
But you know the fact that we're so involved and invested...be it in ship, or a favorite character or storyline...is a testament to how well you all have done over the years to make SG-1 and SGA so engaging.
Thank you...God Bless and here's to many more years of SG-1 and SGA.
Happy New Year!
Mary Beth
PS...Don't be alarmed...today is a day to be thankful...I've simply rescheduled the whining to recommence at a later date. :D
"Woohoo! Now we have infighting among the Atlantis fans.
2006 is gonna be a great year!!!"
lol... Yes, a Happy New Year!
Ah. Mr. Mallozzi. You have a Grand sense of humor ! And skin as thick as a rhinoceros ! Thank you for answering all these questions, and especially for the repartee ! I hope you and yours have a Healthy, Happy New Year !
And yes this IS my 'comment'.
Joe is there anyway we could get a ep devoted to the furling please
You know I love all the characters on both shows... hmm does that make me a freak? *g* Maybe I should argue with myself! lol
Great post Joe!
Hmm funny movies- Clue most def-(is it out on dvd anywhere?),Princess Bride is another fave along with my seasonal fave Scrooged. Also tv wise am partial to Red Dwarf...
Bwahaha. Great post Joe. Although I think you need a "ship equalizer add-in module" for your "PC for PC" program.
For those scenes where you have to put two characters together - I mean they're all not going to fit in a glider, are they ;)
Daniel and Vala in a scene together will have to be offset by equal minutes for Vala and Sam, Vala and Mitchell, Vala and Tealc's, Sam and Daniel, Daniel and Mitchell, etc., etc. You can see why you're going to need a computer for this....
And of course if Jack comes back he will have to get equal minutes with Sam and Teal'c (since he already had scenes with Daniel and Mitchell). Probably be safest to write any other scenes with Jack positioned at equal distance from Sam, Daniel and Teal'c (who will stand shoulder to shoulder of course). Mitchell and Vala can stand behind them...because of course.....they're not really SG-1 material are they? heh :)
Funny movies? I'll have to echo Britangie just above me. Princess Bride always makes me laugh. Just thinking about Miracle Max and Vizzini and the "Impressive Clerygman" give me the giggles.
The original Airplane can still crack me up after all these years as well.
Other than those I like the original screwball comedy classics - Bringing Up Baby, etc.
Happy New Year to everyone. May fandom be blessed with a big can of "Wank Be Gone" for the New Year.
So Joe - any New Year's resolutions? Hope you're going to watch UT beat USC in the Rose Bowl. :)
PS...Don't be alarmed...today is a day to be thankful...I've simply rescheduled the whining to recommence at a later date. :D
And here I thought 2006 was going to be a good year. :D
God, I'm so sick of people whining about Sheppard.
People are only whining about Sheppard because of the icky turn the character has taken in season 2 (hey, how many chicks can he bag in a season!?!?). I neither "ship" him with anyone, nor do I "thunk". Sheppard was #1 with me in season 1, now I like McKay, Zelenka, and Ronon. Every time Sheppard winks at a chick, checks out one, or plays tonsil hockey I just want to turn the TV off. I guess I'm one of those few who wants really good characterizations and PLOTS in my science fiction. In the Anti-Kirking thread there is speculation that Flanigan actually enjoys his new role as hot stud of Pegasus. Maybe he might want to consider a change of venue, to "Desperate Housewives" perhaps. I rather like SCIENCE in my Science Fiction.
And attractive people of the opposite sex being attraced to each other is anti-'SCIENCE', somehow...?
Rather the basis for the survival of most species, therefore fairly scientific, I would have thought... ;)
You're adding Vala to the cast???? Jump the shark much???? That should kill SG1 pretty much. Atlantis....you're next.
Meh, trust me, Atlantis has been DOA since the second season began. I'm hoping they can salvage SG-1, because Atlantis is beyond hope.
I think it was this last summer when I re-watched Planes, Trains, and Automobiles for perhaps the twenty-fifth time.
I love that movie! :-)
and, no doubt, the best gift I received: the 2005 version of PC for PC's, a software program that can transform any script into a politically correct, thoroughly uncontroversial masterpiece. It says right on the box: "Guaranteed to re-format scripts to pat, inoffensive standards".
This is all very hilarious! Part of the fun of fandom is all the whining and complaining that we do (or, at least, that's the fun part for me, not necessarily for you), but I quite enjoyed this humorous poke at us. I recognized myself in there. I made my daughter come and read it, too, and she also laughed through the whole thing. :-)
Laughed myself silly at the PC stuff--sad but true unfortunately. Then again, some people look for things to complain about and if they have time to count lines well...more power to them.
The Milk Chocolate with Shaved White Chocolate Toblerone sounds really good. Yum!
As for comedy on TV, I would suggest Scrubs. It's finally out on DVD and the new season will start the first week in January. Much like Arrested Development (another really smart comedy), it's the net's red-headed step-child. They send it to time-slot hell while developing yet more sitcom garbage (ugh). A very entertaining show overall--well worth watching.
As for a good comedy movie--good luck. Stick with Planes, Trains and Automobiles--at least you won't be disappointed. I used to go to the movies at least once a week but now I hardly go at all because Hollywood just isn't putting out anything intelligent any more. Thankfully television has a few worthwhile offerings now. Can't wait for Sci-fi Friday to come back this Friday! :D
i have a tiny request for the 200th episode... in one of the episodes of SG-1 you had carter hummm the Stargate SG-1 theme... can we have her or another team member sing it for some reason or another... like walter... because he's alone... and bored... waiting for something to happen lol i do remember reading in your questions that you posted that there were lyrics
Joe,
I'm not so happy with season 2 of Atlantis. And I'm gonna tell you why exactly. This is not a personal attack at TPTB, just my opinion. Actors aren't even mentionned. I've posted this earlier in a the "season 2, the disappointment" thread in the SGA season 2 folder.
I'm not so happy with season 2. The only really good ep is critical mass. And I loved season 1. Since Suspicion, I was rewatching every episode multiple times. In season 2, I barely ever rewatch an episode.
The Siege, part 3, while still ok, was not as good as parts 1 and especially part 2. McKay being stupid, stupid technobabbly excuse, dumb wraith.
The Wraith were more interesting in season 1. Poisoning the well, the defiant one, all great eps. In season 2 they are just hissing. The only interesting wraith was the one from Condemned, and he only had one or two scenes, and was never seen again. Season 1 hung together well, but season 2 seems to be a collection of one-off, sometimes just recycled SG1 episodes. Also season 1 had more character development.
What also sucks is the disappearance without explanation of Sgt. Bates and Sora, two very interesting characters that disappeared mysteriously (like many sg1 characters before).
Losing Ford and adding Ronon Dex hasn't done much good either. Ford was ok, albeit underused. Ronon Dex look kinda cheesy, like all the season 2 episodes. Ronon Dex would have perhaps been better as a guest character. Further, Colonel Caldwell isn't that interesting. He's the most part playing the antagonist. I liked Bates better. And I loved Skinner in the X-files and was thrilled to learn that he would appear on SGA. Mithc Pileggi is such a good actor. Zero character development.
Also no exploration of Atlantis whatshowever, only replaying SG1 plots off-world. Zelenka said at the end of The Intruder that with the ZPM installed, a lot more new stuff would be available, it was barely used.
Further also the dimished role of the secondaries. We only had cadman for two episodes. No Bates (was off-screen send back to Earth, never mentionned off-course), Grodin Dead. We had the shrink for one episode. Sora disappeared (was off-screen send back to Genii-homeworld, never mentionned off-course). Zelenka's role in multiple episodes just reduced to cameos. Only one appearance by Kavanagh so far.
And for the other season 2 episodes:
The Intruder: very boring, with only the scene where they were back at SGA with Zelenka interesting
Runner: was ok, but nothing great
Duet: was watchable, but another useless one-off, but nothing to rewatch again
Condemned: watchable, but not that good, again useless and going nowhere. I liked the wraith character though.
Instinct: a bit weird, not that bad, but nothing I'll be rewatching
Conversion: I watched it, that's all
Aurora: Interesting concept, but once again barely had the desire to rewatch it.
Lost Boys: Not Bad, not near season 1 quality, but it was rewatchable. Good, not great.
The Hive: not that good, David Hewletts performance was the best thing. Wraith acted totally cheesy. Almost no Zelenka. Ep was to rushed.
Epiphany: boring, ep was kinda like A hundred days
Critical Mass: this one was great, liked the crossover, only disliked some of the Teyla supblot, but liked the song. The first great episode of the season (maybe the only great episode?)
Grace Under Pressure: boringggg
The Tower: A lit less bad then I thought it would be, but I had low expectations. Not great though. Was rushed, Paul Mullie wrote it in one or two days, as mentionned in JM's blog.
They should better tell some things about the backstories (Sheppard in Antarctica, Teyla's father, Ford in the SGC?, McKay's history, maybe some antarctica research facility stories). Also back in season 1, there was something posted named the annals of the curator of the wriath feeding of something, where the wraith curator tells what happened in the sga episodes from the wraith point of view, very interesting. That better had that guy appear on the show, in recurring mode.
Also, no genii yet in season 2 (I know they come in Coup d'Etat), they were very interesting in season 1. I loved Kolya, although I know and respect that Robert Davi was unavailable, so I'll forgive them for this.
While many complained about season 8 of sg1, but thought that season 1 of sga was good, I loved both seasons. This year I love season 9, but season 2 not so much. I suggest TPTB that watch BSG. I think TPTB need to split up, so they won't rush things anymore, and maybe some long time producers need to get fired and bring in new blood. Maybe BW, RCC, M&M (and DK?,PDL?) had their best time and need to spend some time on other projects. And split up the writing crew in two, so they won't have to rush things so much. New writers and new showrunner please. Maybe Carl Binder and Martin Gero need to play showrunner for SGA, with Brad taking a step back and/or returning the help rob showrunning sg1. Maybe stargate needs their own Ron Moore, or bring back someone like Glassner, or at least someone who might take things more seriously. It's become to much cheese, and no character stuff, no or almost no creativity.
SG1 definitely needs David Kemper.
Hey I love Jack, but I respect RDA's decision to leave. I don't think you have any power over him, JM, so I'm not sure why all the demands directed at you. Of course, if RDA decides to come back for an episode and he's given something good to do (not Sam/Jack --though I love Sam) I'll be happy. :)
Oh, and on the inconsistency of Chulak being a city, then the planet name--maybe it's Chulak City sort of like Mexico City. :)
jckfan55
If RDA does come back for an ep you sure as hell BETTER do some Sam/Jack stuff. End it, go for it, whatever. Just quit dragging this thing out unmercifully. I hate dangling plot and character threads, and this frigging thing could lead the Theseus out of the labyrinth.
Yeah... As a shipper, I'd rather you end it than let it dangle. Of course, I'd be sorely disappointed if you ended it, because the S/J ship was just one of the many "threads" of Stargate. The ship, as you guys unveiled it, was a part of the tapestry, not the be all or end all of any of the characters of the show. And since Threads/Moebius kinda suggested there was something MORE to Sam and Jack's relationship, it really would be a bummer.
However... if you decided to mutually end it between the characters, I'd totally respect your decision. For me, it's just that limbo stage that's difficult to understand. :)
"Shockwave said...
...well, at lot of stuff, mainly about the second season of Atlantis. A lot of very interesting takes. Regarding some of your thoughts - "
"The Wraith were more interesting in season 1. Poisoning the well, the defiant one, all great eps. In season 2 they are just hissing. The only interesting wraith was the one from Condemned, and he only had one or two scenes, and was never seen again."
Ah, but you haven't seen Michael yet. Check it out and the season finale Allies for some interesting wraith characters.
"Losing Ford and adding Ronon Dex hasn't done much good either. Ford was ok, albeit underused. Ronon Dex look kinda cheesy - "
I don't know. I and many others would disagree with you there. I thought Ronon Dex was a great addition to the Atlantis team.
"Also no exploration of Atlantis whatshowever, only replaying SG1 plots off-world. Zelenka said at the end of The Intruder that with the ZPM installed, a lot more new stuff would be available, it was barely used."
True. That is something that was discussed but needs to be followed through on: exploration of the rest of the Atlantis base.
"Further also the dimished role of the secondaries [...]." Zelenka's role in multiple episodes just reduced to cameos."
"And for the other season 2 episodes..."
Of the episodes you disliked, I'd have to say I really loved Duet (very funny) and Runner (very clever script in the way it brough together so many elements). I thought Instinct and Conversion were excellent character-driven episodes as well.
"The Tower: A lit less bad then I thought it would be, but I had low expectations. Not great though. Was rushed, Paul Mullie wrote it in one or two days, as mentionned in JM's blog."
Actualy, JM's blog mentioned Paul had 10 days to write the script, not 2.
"They should better tell some things about the backstories (Sheppard in Antarctica, Teyla's father, Ford in the SGC?, McKay's history, maybe some antarctica research facility stories)."
At least a couple of those in season 3.
someone said: If RDA does come back for an ep you sure as hell BETTER do some Sam/Jack stuff. End it, go for it, whatever. Just quit dragging this thing out unmercifully. I hate dangling plot and character threads, and this frigging thing could lead the Theseus out of the labyrinth.//
or at least set up *WITHOUT AMBIGUOUSNESS* that they're waiting for each other until jack retires.
working on the s/j storyline for 8 seasons (with the last two seasons being more focused on it) and then suddenly dropping it so far into the background that you're not sure of anything... kind of disrespectful to the storyline, you know?
settle it, once and for all. end it *DON'T* or begin a relationship between them or let it be known that they're waiting for one another, but PLEASE settle it one way or another.
{i think having them waiting for one another is the best way to go with this. you say you want to know why? oh, okay, i'll tell you. because then you can pull back on the storyline without the shippers dying on the spot because a- you can't ship sam and/or jack off with other ppl, and b- the storyline can stay in that corner for a while because they'll know it's not over and there's hope for actually *seeing* it at some time in the furture. AND you'll still keep your shipper fans with the show and happy enough at the same time.
did you follow my directions? i'm helping you, joe, to write this very important storyline. without charging you for my services! yes, i'm nice. *nods proudly* :p}
sally :)
Joe You know I'm usually thw one who does satire but ethics oblige me to confess this blog actually made me laugh - the whole thing with the ultimate pc script ...
as for the dogs two years old and NOT house trained?
have you considered moving on from pugs to doxies particulary sentient doxies and Gou****ks?
neith
{i think having them waiting for one another is the best way to go with this. you say you want to know why? oh, okay, i'll tell you. because then you can pull back on the storyline without the shippers dying on the spot because a- you can't ship sam and/or jack off with other ppl, and b- the storyline can stay in that corner for a while because they'll know it's not over and there's hope for actually *seeing* it at some time in the furture. AND you'll still keep your shipper fans with the show and happy enough at the same time.
Exactly why do you think that what you want is so much more important than what other fans want? Why do you think you "deserve" to have the lame pathetic Sam and Jack nonsense revived just when so many of us are enjoying the show again without having to tape and fast forward it? Do you not understand that the very reason that Amanda Tapping is at risk of her job is because the continuous whining of manic shippers like yourself has convinced TPTB, the studio and everyone else that no one is interested in Carter except as Jack's love interest? You have been very vocal about how much you dislike the new direction of the show but as that is not going to change, RDA is never coming back full time, Ben and Claudia are there to stay and Daniel seems to have a very closely associated role with the new stories, what exactly do you think is in for TPTB to continue to pander to a small, departing minority who are living in the past?
Joe, I loved the script for Avenger 2.0. I hate the episode though. I have replaced Felger in my mind with MacKay and wow, it works so well. It is now my favourite MaKay episode ;-) Seriously I feel it does work better as a MacKay episode. Felger is great but his is a buffoonish comedy. The episode has quite a dark side, there are teams stranded and people facing death because of what has happened with the gate system. It requires pathos, I think, and that would be something MacKay could pull off really well. Plus the angsting on the bridge - it would be far more believable coming from MacKay given his nacissitic (sp?) self beliefs. And the end fantasy sequence could quite believeably have come from Mackay's mind!
DanaJeanne, I'd never have picked you for a Porky's fan! But oh Animal House, what a blast. I saw it at the movies in a double bill with Cheech and Chong Up In Smoke.
**Anonymous wrote:
RDA is never coming back full time, Ben and Claudia are there to stay and Daniel seems to have a very closely associated role with the new stories, what exactly do you think is in for TPTB to continue to pander to a small, departing minority who are living in the past?**
How in the world can you know that J/S fans are a small minority? Do you honestly think that the views of the very very vocal, passionate people who spend time online are what the majority of the viewers think? You have no clue, nor does anyone, what those people who don't spend time online think. I certainly hope the PTB are a bit smarter than you.