Hey, its the first week of January which means the exciting start of a certain "something" in a matter of days. I'm referring, of course, to the beginning of the NFL playoffs. I'm sure many of you are wondering "Who is Joe rooting for? Which team does Joe think will win it all?" Well, funny you should ask:
AFC
Who I want to win: The Cincinnati Bengals, natch. Got to love that high-powered offense and those crazy helmets.
Who I think will win: Believe it or not, the Pittsburgh Steelers who are going to be very hard to beat.
As for the rest: I don't care what the experts say, I've been burned too many times picking the Colts to get to the Superbowl. There's not doubt, they're good - but I'm not falling for it again. The Jaguars are probably the most underrated team heading into the playoffs but, unfortunately, they'll be going up against the Patriots who should meet Pittsburgh in the conference title game. As for the Broncos - well, I'm a diehard Raider fan so I can't, in all good conscious, root for them.
NFC
Who I want to win: The Chicago Bears (who are finally good since as far back as I can remember) or The Seattle Seahawks (who are finally good since as far back as I can't remember - possibly never).
Who I think will win: Seattle. Its theirs to lose.
As for the rest: All good teams but will have to play over their heads to challenge the two top seeds. A possible exception may be the Washington Redskins, the hottest team heading into these playoffs.
As for the Rose Bowl: Don't mess with Texas! Carl could well be crying in his pizza Thursday night when his Trojans come up short.
Well, I've given up on the comedies and am turning my attention to horror. Faves include: The Shining, Ringu, Dark Water (original Japanese version), A Tale of Two Sisters, The Vanishing (original Dutch version), Scream (not really scary but a great tribute to the slasher genre), Misery, Audition. Any recommedations?
Heading back to the office this week as it seems everyone just can't wait to get started on season 10 of SG-1 and season 3 of Atlantis. For my part, I'll be in a day later unless (as I told the guys) I can convince my mother and in-laws to come in with me. The next couple of weeks will no doubt be spent reading and commenting on scripts, revising, and hopefully breaking some more stories. I'd love to get cracking on the big SG-1 mid-season quest two-parter or the time travel , What If?, story we briefly discussed (hopefully, no producer's head will explode this time, unlike the time we broke Moebius I and II). And, of course, there's the big 200th episode that will offer up a little something for everyone. It'll be an episode unlike any we've ever produced, both in terms of format and content.
What's on t.v. later this week? Oh yeah: Fourth Horsemen II and The Hive see the conclusion to both big mid-season two-parters. Had to lose a couple of scenes from the final cut of Horsemen II. If they don't appear on the SciFi site, then remind me and I'll fill you in.
Joe
Executive producer Joseph Mallozzi has been on the SG-1 writing
staff since Season Four. Along with writing partner Paul Mullie, Joe has
written such fan favorite episodes as "Window of Opportunity," "Summit,"
and "Lockdown." Joe lives in Vancouver, British Columbia. 
Yippie! First again???
Double sweet and Happy New Year Joe!!!
Go Bears!
Go Trojans.
American Football Sucks ;)
/me goes back to watching the cricket
Happy New Year, Joe! ;)
(Ignore that agent dark character :P )
Oh, and totally looking forward to the 200th ep any What If? eps you guys have up your sleeves. :D AUs totally and completely rock.
Joe Said in post on last blog:
"No backsell in season 9, but we did briefly discuss a scenario by which the command issue would be clarified in season 10."
Will the co-command issue be addressed on screen in S10 to clarify that both Carter and Mitchell are leading the team? Thank you.
KMM
Joe...
I'll agree that the Redskins are on fire so it'll be interesting to see what they make of it...though I confess I don't follow the NFC as much as I do the AFC.
And this year I'm not really even doing that as my beloved Tennessee Titans stinketh badly this year...as they did last. :) I also concur about the Colts...who regularly trounce my beloved Titans. But so do the neighborhood highschool football team.
Okay I know it's all prelim but I have a question for you...
JMallozzi said...
It'll be an episode [the 200th] unlike any we've ever produced, both in terms of format and content.
Do you see it turning out as more comedic or more dramatic? What do you mean generally speaking of course when you suggest it'll be unlike any we've ever produced???
Also...way giddy over the prospect of a time travel story. Any chance of an AU story? I loved the idea you pitched a couple months ago. Should I get my hopes up for either that or another AU possibility?
:D
Thanks!
Mary Beth
Doh! That "What If" IS an AU episode, isn't it?
/me feels stupid
Will the actual cast (AT/MS/CJ to be specific) appear in the 200th episode as core characters, unlike the 100th episode?
Thanks.
As someone from the Home of Da Bears-- I thank you.
LaCroix
Time travel What if? story, eh? Sounds an awful lot like Moebius, Joe. I'm hoping it's not just an unoriginal knock off. And I'm also hoping there's no crossovers in that bag of tricks you reach into up there in Vancouver. Cheers.
I thought Ripple effect was a big What if? story too. Am I wrong, or are things a little redundant?
Joe said:
"And, of course, there's the big 200th episode that will offer up a little something for everyone. It'll be an episode unlike any we've ever produced, both in terms of format and content."
Does that everyone include us shippers?
Does that everyone include us shippers?
And what about the femslashers? Maybe a juicy Sam and Vala scene?
Recommendations for exploring Japanese Culture
Miyazaki!
Anything by Studio Ghibli !
Howl's Moving Castle is great
Mid 19th Japanese prints by Yoshitoshi or Kuniyoshi
Hokusai's sketchbooks
Lacadafio Hearn's translation of traditional stories
A good translation of the Ugetsu anthology
Neith
Postscript
Dont just read / view
Modern stuff
Read the Classics
"And, of course, there's the big 200th episode that will offer up a little something for everyone. It'll be an episode unlike any we've ever produced, both in terms of format and content."
Does that mean us Jack fans won't be feeling left out?
Eric
Does that everyone include us shippers?
And what about the femslashers?
What about us noromos?
What about us noromos?
Well, obviously it'll be subtext... Unless of course the PTB are brave enough to write a lesbian relationship. So like I said, it'll be subtext ;)
Let's not forget the angst lovers... or the people who want something that isn't always romantically enclined.
Why is it "brave" to write a lesbian relationship? Or weak not to? If you're going to imply that the writers are cowards you could perhaps demonstrate your own "bravery" and sign you name to your post.
Ally Sandersen
Seriously, Joe, RDA would make the entire 10th season for alot of people if you guys could convince him to appear.
What about the interspecies slashers? Who can deny that there is something going on between Chaka and Daniel?
C'mon, Joe, us interspecies slashers need closure!
Oh... I think you got a great start with Ringu. The Japanese versions are definitely the thing to watch. I swear I couldn't drive home in the middle of the day after seeing them!
Joe, if you're pitching stories again, just let me take the opportunity to beg for no crossovers between SG-1 and Atlantis. Please don't mix the two shows. There's already been too much of that this season. The SG-1 characters should stay on SG-1. Atlantis is just fine without them.
Lt. Col. Joshua Lund
Can't help you with the horror. *hides under the bed, quivering in fear*
Joe said in an earlier blog:
"At least a couple of those in season 3."
Referring to backstories, let me guess--it's all Mckay backstory. There will be one about his rocky childhood, one about his abortive attempt at a homosexual relationship, and of course an entire episode where we see Rodney really bond with that cat of his. Teyla will contribute a song, of course. Can't wait. Rodney forever!!
Yeah, horror isn't my bag either. I just don't get the entertainment value in watching gore for an hour and a half but to each their own I guess. Plus it seems that horror films these days seem to lack any kind of plot and/or filmaking talent in an attempt to try to make the most "shocking" new horror film. I don't really have any inclination to see their attempts to "push the envelope". I find it disturbing.
As far as football I gave up this season a while a go. I am not all that into football but my family are huge Packers fans and I usually get sucked into watching the games with them but I knew it was over when they got beat by the freaking Lions. Not to mention the 49ers. Sigh.
Oh, no, not me and Horror, nope. I have a NIGHTLIGHT in my room! The Ghost and Mr Chicken was scary enough when I was a kid. Me and Don Knotts, hiding under the bed with Dani347!
I'm not fond of time travel eps, but an AU/Mirror story would be cool. Maybe one where Daniel gets the rcognition and the MEDAL he deserves....
La la la. Happy New Year, Joe!
"shipperahoy said...
Yeah, horror isn't my bag either. I just don't get the entertainment value in watching gore for an hour and a half but to each their own I guess. Plus it seems that horror films these days seem to lack any kind of plot and/or filmaking talent in an attempt to try to make the most "shocking" new horror film. I don't really have any inclination to see their attempts to "push the envelope". I find it disturbing."
Ditto. All through the SG1 marathon today they were advertising a movie coming out this Saturday--something about a hostel--and one scene has a young guy pleading 'please don't do this' as a guy with a chainsaw comes at him. Not my cuppa, but for those that like that stuff it looks like something right up Blood Alley!
Why is it "brave" to write a lesbian relationship? Or weak not to? If you're going to imply that the writers are cowards you could perhaps demonstrate your own "bravery" and sign you name to your post.
Ally Sandersen
You not noticed that they market SG1 to a predominant christian value society? You not notice that we've travelled the whole galaxy and not seen one single homosexual relationship? I'm not saying they are homophobic, just that they have no intention of bringing possible criticism on themselves for portraying a homosexual pairing.
And I can sign my name if I choose to Ally Sandersen (whoever the hell you are).
A. N. Mous
A Raider fan, hey? Well...everything makes sense now; 'splains everything Joe. There's no point in attempting to have an intelligent conversation with you at all;-)
A Broncos fan
I think Pittsburg is going to win all the way.
Oh Lord, Joe... The shippers/slashers/noromos/character fans are asking some tough questions. Where's that PC software when you need it? :P
I was wondering if you guys would ever do a scary episode - kind of an homage to older horror films, only honestly scary. I mean, the S9 eps (and others before them) have been pretty intense. But a darker ep would be neat!
You know that they rarely actually find many 'relationships'? The show is mainly about people, not about who they are having sex with...
Frankly, sometimes it annoys me that every show is expected to have a homosexual relationship to be a 'non christian' show. I find that whole idea offensive, because whether gay, straight or bi - not everything has to be acknowledged on screen to exist...
Sure, when it is right maybe there will be a homosexual relationship - but is it really that important to the storyline?
Frankly, sometimes it annoys me that every show is expected to have a homosexual relationship to be a 'non christian' show. I find that whole idea offensive, because whether gay, straight or bi - not everything has to be acknowledged on screen to exist...
Sure, when it is right maybe there will be a homosexual relationship - but is it really that important to the storyline?
Of course not. I'm quite happy to read subtext (hey, it's in the eye of the beholder ;)) and have absolutely no problems with Stargate does its thing. My original comment about the 'not being brave' was tounge in cheek. Though it seems a few people didnt realise that...
Me and Don Knotts, hiding under the bed with Dani347!
Sorry, I think i might have kicked you. Or was that Don?
Joe, have you guys asked Richard Dean Anderson to appear in the 200th episode?
Ugh. Homosexual relationships are soooo '90s.
What Stargate needs is some bisexual ship. Or, is it bisexual slash? Damn, now I'm confused.
Babylon 5 did a lesbian relationship between two female regs and pulled it off, but I doubt it would go over in the Stargate universe.
As for horror films - check out the original, "The Haunting" with Julie Harris (the old B & W - not the "new improved Catherine Zeta-Jones" garbage). Scariest thing I've seen.
Hi Joe:
I have to admit I actually follow my local team, the Eagles, but this year was bad on the field, but man, was it hot off the field! Terrell Owens was THE story of 2005 in Philadelphia. Well, actually, it was voted in at 3rd, but you get the idea.
I haven't been a huge horror movie fan ever since they became slasher movies (wrong generation). I grew up with the Saturday afternoon matinees with Dracula and Frankenstein. I'd say the best pure horror and scary movie I saw in the last couple of decades that didn't have slash and gore all over was "Poltergeist", which was more scary for what you didn't see than what you did, plus a good story line and good acting and direction.
I'm always thrilled when you do time-travel or AU on Stargate. They get me really thinking, and my head tends to go round and round over the possibilities, but it's fun, too. Did you see "Frequency"? That really hit on the "road taken or not taken" idea of time travel. I just watched "The Triangle" and the plot hinges on some big AU possibilities and divergent time paths. Very interesting....
Really looking forward to what you do with the 200th episode, and the rest of Season 10, too. But the big Friday this week is what's really got me ecstatic, can't wait!
A belated Happy New Year to you, and hope the year of 2006 is a good one for you!
Lynn Starcher
I dunno, I thought the Catherine Zeta-Jones Haunting was the scariest thing I ever saw, but not for the right reasons.
I always thought Stephen Kings It was scary - but clowns and spiders scare me...
Joe,
Did you guys ever consider going with the 3 man team? You know, Vala, Teal'c and Daniel. Then Carter, Teal'c and Daniel when Amanda got back? If yes, why didn't you? And if no, why did you feel as you did?
"Dee said...
I dunno, I thought the Catherine Zeta-Jones Haunting was the scariest thing I ever saw, but not for the right reasons."
ROFLMAO!!! I actually like suspenseful scary movies (i.e. not much gore but a lot of jump out of your seat type stuff)and I had high hopes for that movie. To say I was disapointed would be a massive understatement. I was more scared by the trailer. The one where there's a voiceover as the camera draws closer and closer to the house and then the house sort of comes alive with the windows as it's "face".
"I always thought Stephen Kings It was scary - but clowns and spiders scare me... "
I love me some Tim Curry but I could never look at him the same after that. "They all float down here" *Shudder*
About scary movies, I'm of the mindset that some of the truly scariest movies are those where the evil "fill in the blank" is NEVER seen...only the aftermath of their evilness. Sounds, expressions, the kinds of thing that communicate Hero or Heroine "A" is in deep trouble...the music crescendos...
I can't remember who said it...I think it was Spielberg but don't quote me...that the scariest antagonist is the one that the mind creates from the clues shown on screen.
But that's just me...
:D
Japanese Horror is fantastic. See the Orginal Grudge, and all 3 Ring Movies (Ring O, The Ring and Ring 2) they are truely kinda freaky...
Hollywood didn't quite pull of the suspense, even if they had the same directors.
shipperahoy - I love suspensful horror, but I also enjoy D grade horror (just so I can turn my brain off once in awhile). Personally, I love the Modern "House on Haunted Hill", it was so bad that it became one of the best comedies I have seen in a good long while :).
meh, I find myself bored during Horror films. It's not a genre I find all that interesting. Now if it was a good Action/Adventure/Sci-Fi... :D
Hey Joe.
I don't know if it's really Horror but you have to see 'Saw'... what an amazing movie. There's also the Korean movie 'Two sister', and an austrian one called 'undead'.
Also I wanted to ask you if you ever saw indian movies? And if not, please try, it's a wonderful cinema. I recomand you 'Kuch Kuch Hota Hai' which is my favorite movie EVER.
S&J
You want horror. Try The Ties That Bind. Seriously, that'll scare you half to death.
And if you want a real nightmare, picture 20 episodes just like it. Can't wait for season 10.
Thanks again for all the info. Just enough to get my interest but not to much to spoil.
I don't do scarey movies cuz they scare me! LOL
Your previous two blogs were so funny I had a coughing fit. Stop it! Love your sense of humor!
Anonymous said...
You want horror. Try The Ties That Bind. Seriously, that'll scare you half to death.
And if you want a real nightmare, picture 20 episodes just like it. Can't wait for season 10.
See?? I wasn't even this harsh. Heck I gave thought out reasons why this episode didn't appeal to me.
But no one replied to what I wrote so maybe I was harsher than I had intended...
/me ponders my harshness
MB
I know I was wounded.
I always enjoy your blogs Joe, and I have to agree with most everyone else when it comes to horror... just can't stomach it. Anywho, can't wait to see where everything is going.
Sam :)
Horror isn't really my thing, but I loved the Evil Dead movies. I also have to plug Final Destination, which might not be high on the scare factor, but it succeeded in giving me a fear of flying. ;) But I'm also biased 'cause my fave producers made it and, being a member of their fanclub, I got to go on location for a night and watch 'em decapitate a dummy three times. LOL!
Will have to dig through my memory and see if I remember any more.
GO PATRIOTS!
Although the Bears are in close contention to being my all time favourite team.
I'm looking forward to the second half of the season for SG1
I've been following Atlantis on TMN and it's GREAT.
I just caught "The Long Goodbye" yesterday and it was thoroughly enjoyable.
Looking forward to the 200th epi and the rest of Season 10.
I'm really liking the direction about Camelot and King Arthur. Are you going to do something how the Holy Grail was really some ancient device? That would be interesting (albeit a bit cliched)
Time travel = AU right? d'oh!
(Although it is fun at times. I really did like nerdy Carter.)
As for horror movies, you've pegged some of my favourites, but you've left out Candyman! I remember watching Candyman as a kid and I couldn't look in a mirror for months. *shudders*
If you are doing horror movies and you haven't seen Frailty directed by Bill Paxton, check it out. One of the best overlooked movies in recent history.
can't wait to watch the fourth horsemen. so psyched for sg-1 season 10 and atlantis season 3
hi, joe,
horror movies?
try The Haunting. the original (not the remark), with julie harris, claire bloom, richard johnson, and russ tamblyn. this movie is a masterpiece, directed by robert wise.
sally :)
dee said: love suspensful horror, but I also enjoy D grade horror//
oh, me too! :p
one of my fave low-grade horror movies is Subspecies 2: Bloodstone. just a good old-fashioned B-movie with good enough (because of budget restraints) special effects. and throw in a really weird love story (between the vampire and the babe) when the vampire is the hideous creature... yeah, it was fun! :p
sally :)
Hey Joe
Check out the movie "Night Watch" or "Nochnoi Dozor" as it is known in its original Russiain. It is brilliant.
Go Panthers! Go Steelers.
I don't do horror. Not after The Ring scared the bejeezus out of me for 2 months. The TV must *always* be turned on....
Hi Joe - sounds like you had a good holiday.
I mostly am too scared to watch horror films but loved "The Others" with Nicole Kidman plus the excellent "The Silence of the Lambs". The 1959 film "The Haunted" still scares me. I have never been able to watch "The Exorcist" but my family tell me it is scary. I hate gore and blood etc so can't help you there.
Looking forward to the second half of Season 9 - waiting a little longer for it on Space. Hoping those cut scenes from The Fourth Horseman part 2 are not Mitchell scenes - gotta see more of him from now on.
Horror? You could try watching SG1 DVDs and looking at RDA's face every time he had to get within two feet of Carter. Never saw a man look so horrified in my life.
Sure, when it is right maybe there will be a homosexual relationship - but is it really that important to the storyline?
So being having all characters heterosexual is important to the story line is it? You're American, right? When TV made by or for the US can handle a variety of sexualities with as little fanfare or discussion as the recent season of Doctor Who maybe the rest of the world will consider them grown ups. Until then shows like SG1 will continue to be a bit of sexist, racially stereotypical, hetrocentric kids stuff and never cutting edge adult drama.
And, of course, there's the big 200th episode that will offer up a little something for everyone. It'll be an episode unlike any we've ever produced, both in terms of format and content.
Can we hope for something radical like seeing SG1 in this episode, at least as much as the ego stroking producer appearances anyway. Do you really think that anyone but a handful of internet fans has any idea who any of those people are? Frat boy humour could be safely left out too if you really want to makee a clean break.
hello Joe!
Cool Blog....Sounds like an excellent Christmas, loved the PC for PC's...I'll have to pick up a copy for writer hubs...
Not into horror...or football, but the Ice Cream sounded EXCELLANT especially the Milk Chocolate with Toblerone shavings! Everyone I know is making beer...but Ice Cream seems so much more fun!
Happy New Year,
S'Clairef99
Woo hoo Ohio State Won!
Horror movies? I really strongly suggest Versus, a Japanese horror movie with an interesting twist on the whole zombie thing. It was a little too long in some sequences, but I liked the twist at the end.
I also strongly suggest a movie called Another Heaven, also a Japanese horror movie that has a sort of familar theme to it; alien parasites taking over human hosts. The whole movie is worth watching just for this actor that is like a Japanese version of James Spader in his younger days in movies.
I liked the remake of The Fog. Very scary for what you don't see or for old fashion scares created by things falling suddenly or lights going out.
Watched the season 9 marathon on Scifi yesterday while doing house cleaning. There were things I enjoyed alot more this time around then I did when I first saw them. Looking forward to the rest of season 9.
Joe,
Clive Barkers--
Nightbreed.
Lord of Illuisions.
Hellraiser.
Written--
Anything by Clive Barker.
LaCroix
A time travel episode named "What if?", nice title, hope you keep it
Best Horror Movie around:
The Lost Skeleton of Cadavera
You'll be paralyzed with fear!
Aahhahahaaaa. Aaahahahahaaaa. Aaaahahahahahaaaah.....
Aaaaaahhahahahahaaa.....
Tok'Ra Hostess
Joe, if I'm not mistaken, this is the season 10 episodes so far:
nr title writer
1001 Camelot, part II RCC
1002 Morpheus JM
1003 Daniel To Atlantis BW
1004 Great Baals Of Fire AMC
1005 The Ill-Fated Getaway DK
1006 200th Episode BW
1007 Counter-Strike JM
1008 Memento Mori JM
1009 What If?
1010 The Quest, part I
1011 The Quest, part II
and this the season 3 order?
301 No Man's Land MG
302 Woolsey + Asylum PM
303 Runner Sequel RCC
304 New Enemies, part I CB
305 New Enemies, part II CB
306 Delicous Fat Guy BW
307 McKay's Sister MG
308 Wriath Fight Club CB
Anonymous said:
So being having all characters heterosexual is important to the story line is it?
You're American, right? When TV made by or for the US can handle a variety of sexualities with as little fanfare or discussion as the recent season of Doctor Who maybe the rest of the world will consider them grown ups. Until then shows like SG1 will continue to be a bit of sexist, racially stereotypical, hetrocentric kids stuff and never cutting edge adult drama.
So you must have just accidently stumbled upon this site then, correct? This show which is purely kidstuff and not cutting edge couldn't possibly be interesting enough to you that you would go onto a website devoted to it, read a Blog by one of the writers/producers, and offer up your opinion. I've watched a few episodes of "Dr. Who". Cute little show. They finally stopped showing the strings on the special effects in the 90's right? See how easy it is to rip a show.
Now to the point. Yes there are gays in the military. No, not all of the characters are military. Are some of real life military personel in upper ranks gay? Probably. Would the US military, which has a good relationship with the show, like to see that aspect played up? Probably not. This may or maynot be a reason that the writers have not bridged the issue, but.....so what? I suspect adding a gay character/storyline would not have as big an impact on the viewers of the show as you think it would. Watchers of scifi are usually not prudish or narrow-minded. Your attitude of superiority to "Americans" (you must have had a bad taste in your mouth just saying the word) to the contrary.
200th episode!!! Yay!!!!!
JM
"And, of course, there's the big 200th episode that will offer up a little something for everyone. It'll be an episode unlike any we've ever produced, both in terms of format and content."
What does he mean by this.
I heard the furlings would be in it, but maybe thats just speculation on other peoples part.
The coment above is kind of intrigueing. Maybe its going to be a 3D episode.
I remember that 3rd rock from the sun did a really cool 3D episode.
It would be kind of cool i think, and it only the fact that JM mentioned content and format that got me thinking about it. Probably totaly wrong though.
Dibbs
Anonymous said:
So being having all characters heterosexual is important to the story line is it?
You're American, right? When TV made by or for the US can handle a variety of sexualities with as little fanfare or discussion as the recent season of Doctor Who maybe the rest of the world will consider them grown ups. Until then shows like SG1 will continue to be a bit of sexist, racially stereotypical, hetrocentric kids stuff and never cutting edge adult drama.
Not everyone wants this gay crap thrown down their throat anyway. I certainly don't want to see it. I have already enough from them from the news and the media. Here in Belgium every one of three media people is gay. In the not-media life there are a lot less of them, maybe 1 on 100.
Happy 2006, Joe!! :D :D So, did you have a wonderful and happy New Year's? Hope you didn't party to hard. ;) What? No Giants? C'mon, I think the Giants are a having a wonderful year. :) Okay, may be they had some fumbling problems, but they're pulling through. I believe in the NY Giants! Go Giants! :D
Well, I'm looking forward to the 200th episode! It soundsreally exciting! Any guest stars you have in mind? Oh....may be.....RDA for instance? Or.....DSD? I always thought that it would be cool if you had James Spader on the show. Well, just a thought.
Well.....happy writing for Season 10! :D
Sue Jackson ;)
A little something for everyone...like shippers? lol I can't help it! I'm such a hopeless ormantic! And a geeky one at that. I love the special types of episodes, like Window of Opportunity. And do we know exactly Hammond is doing now? Soemthing with the Promethius right? But what is his title?
Sorry for the double post but I was rading up on what we know of Vala and she Daniel inhabited Harrid and Sallis. Was that intentionally like When Harry met Sally? Just curious.
Raiders!!! Ugh.
Go Broncos!!
Not much of a horror fan myself, but I've read a few reviews that Three...Extremes is a deeply profoundly creepy horrorshow.
For the fainter of heart horror fans, I recommend - The Birds, The Exorcist, and The Shining (Stanley Kubrick's version).
"Not everyone wants this gay crap thrown down their throat anyway. I certainly don't want to see it."
I fail to see how the "gay crap" would be thrown down your throat as long as the writers didn't make it a big deal of it rather than the childish fanfare of OMG!lookagaycoupleOMG! so often used on TV today.
Chris U,
Dr Who has a bisexual character and a homosexual kiss, shown on prime time family viewing without a ripple of complaint from middle England.
Though I wouldn't want to see Stargate tackle it, they made such a pigs ear of poor Jack and Sam, I dread to think what they'd do with such a story line.
Findhorn.
If you wanna watch true horror flicks, turn on the news. Or maybe daytime television....
*shudders*
As for the Bronco's, the last time I saw them play was way back during their first super bowl after who knows how many decades. Elway got a touch down in the first 60-ish seconds of the games. Then they were obliterated/demolish/pulverized during the rest of the game. GO Bronco's!!! I did hear that they redeemed themselves eventually.
Hey Joe,
For horror, try getting your hands on a copy of the Kingdom Hospital mini-series (the Stephen King version).
I'm with you on the Colts. I lived in Indianapolis for 15 years - in fact lived right next door to the Colts training complex. I moved to Florida a few years ago. It will feel like a sick joke if they win this time. You're right, burned waaay too many times.
**s for the Bronco's, the last time I saw them play was way back during their first super bowl after who knows how many decades. Elway got a touch down in the first 60-ish seconds of the games. Then they were obliterated/demolish/pulverized during the rest of the game. GO Bronco's!!! I did hear that they redeemed themselves eventually.**
Yup, they won 2 Super Bowls
"Now to the point. Yes there are gays in the military. No, not all of the characters are military. Are some of real life military personel in upper ranks gay? Probably. Would the US military, which has a good relationship with the show, like to see that aspect played up? Probably not."
Guess you missed the fact those Straight Macho Miltary characters overseen by the Straight Military Advisors go through a Stargate to *other worlds* inhabited by people who *aren't* military. Nearly 200 worlds and every character that's been shown in a romantic or sexual way has been straight. The universe is 100% straight in Stargate LaLa Land. It's not about annoying the military or having a gay character as part of some plotline, it's about a little realism and a grown up modern attitude. Having a same gender married couple on some planet and *it's no big deal* isn't going to shake the world but it would make the show less whitebread. The Gasp!OMG! attitude to the tame kiss on Atlantis in Duet (big deal, two male actors acted out a kiss while playing a man and woman - yawn) did not win any Grown Up Show points.
It is too bad you have given up on comedies. I haven't come across any real funny ones lately. My fave comedies movies are "Throw Momma from the Train.", "The Princess Bride" and of course "Monty Python and The Holy Grail".
As for Horror, I don't go for the gore too much with the exception of Alien and Aliens. Two Classic very scary movies.
Looking forward to the rest of S9.
Scarym1
Now I remember what I was going to post.
Have you seen BUBBA HOTEP starring Bruce Campbell? Excellent Scary movie. I very highly recommend it. : )
Two words:
Go Bears!!
Hey Joe, unfortunately, history is agains the Steelers. A fifth or sixth seed has never made it to the Super Bowl since they started the 12-team format.
I think the Broncos or the Colts will go from the AFC. Of course, the Pats have been playing well, and they've proven in the past that it's a mistake to discount them.
The NFC is a toss up, I think. Though I love the Seahawks, I'm not sure they're good enough to win it all. And the Bear's offense is kind of iffy.
I don't do horror, so I can't make any suggestions there.
The 200th episode... it's going to be a musical, right? ;-)
Oh, I tried Mary Beth's broccoli casserole recipe, and I can vouch for her claim that it is very good.
Cheers,
Strix
Of course the US gets to see the fresh SG-1 long before we do...At least Atlantis is to be underway and everybody here up in Canada is happy over that. ^.^
anonymous said:
*The Gasp!OMG! attitude to the tame kiss on Atlantis in Duet*
Sorry guess I don't go browsing the internet forums that much, I never saw that type of comment. The character didn't like it, because the character is not gay, and most (I didn't say all just in case)straight men do find it kind of creepy to romantically kiss another man.
Remind me of the time in the show that a character, when not being involved with a main cast member, was shown in a sexual or romantic way even when hetero. Maybe "Brief Candle" if you count the couple having the child. They weren't advanced enough for invitro fertalization so I think they needed to be heterosexual. Other than that it has been the leads being with other people. It has been established they are all straight. (Or so deep in denile that its not worth discussing) The writers don't point out other characters sexuality no matter what their proclivity.
Besides for all we know, Anise/Freya could have been a male Tok'ra trapped in that body when she hit on Jack back in season 4. Freya did have a thing for Daniel.
(Please, laugh...get the joke)
Meg Adair said:
"Of course the US gets to see the fresh SG-1 long before we do...At least Atlantis is to be underway and everybody here up in Canada is happy over that."
Yes, well, that must be those of us Canadians who haven't yet seen the crap Atlantis has served up in its second half. Awful, awful, awful--the whole bunch.
"Yes, well, that must be those of us Canadians who haven't yet seen the crap Atlantis has served up in its second half. Awful, awful, awful--the whole bunch."
Yes, because if that's your OPINION, then is must be true for everyone.... *sigh*
I know, there's really no point in trying to respond to this sort of thing. Guess I'm a hopeless optimist, or something... *g*
what about a love scene between mitchell and jackson ? the blog would be so full of gals shouting and the hate mail would be so funny read i'm up for it.
horror
Ringu 1,2,0 (the japanese one)
cube 1 (others are terrible)
blairwitch project (for the work on the actors...they really are scared !)
twilight zone (some episodes like the doll house scared the hell out of me)
that's all i can think of that's quality besides shining. actually odyssey of space's ending is more disturbing to me than any horror movie, and i would rather watch donnie darko or soilent green to a hellraiser (which still was good pure horror flick).
humor:
man bites dog 1993- prior to any reality TV show ever created, i think it was palmed at Cannes. a TV crew filming the life of a serial killer. very dark humor, but still. not as good as the UK office, but not far away.
waiting for the new eps to air impatiently. hope the new communist software will offer to the workforce the same amount of screen time from now on, camarade. heh, your last blogs made me laugh. i haven't caught up with the comments yet, but i'm sure it'll be funny too in an odd way.
about time travel, please don't send them back during the nazi occupation, that'd just suck.
--
beyond the grave
"Anonymous said...
what about a love scene between mitchell and jackson ? the blog would be so full of gals shouting and the hate mail would be so funny read i'm up for it."
EEEEK! Now, THAT would be HORROR! Ugh. Mitchell. Ewwwww. Keep those clothes on, dude!
Thanks! That gave me a much needed laugh.
So being having all characters heterosexual is important to the story line is it? You're American, right? When TV made by or for the US can handle a variety of sexualities with as little fanfare or discussion as the recent season of Doctor Who maybe the rest of the world will consider them grown ups. Until then shows like SG1 will continue to be a bit of sexist, racially stereotypical, hetrocentric kids stuff and never cutting edge adult drama.
Interesting assumption - I am actually Australian. Why did you assume I was American? Because I don't believe either hetro or homosexuality is an important talking point in a show. Sure, Queer as Folk it is (and it's a good show), it worked in Buffy, but that was a Character development point. Having the token homosexual relationship grace the screens doesn't make the show a 'grown up' show. Often it makes it fake, and trying. Why? Because most people whether gay, straight or bi don't flaunt their relationships.
What do you want to see? Two men or women kissing while having a first contact situation with an alien race? Sure, that's believable. Or maybe we should have an openly homosexual relationship between the military officers? Because, that'll work.
Think about it, it is not an important point to any story. They meet the aliens, they greet the aliens, they get captured by the aliens - rarely do they discuss the aliens mating or sexual relation habits... Why? Because in the grand scheme of things it is in no way important.
Add to that if this show is so kid like, why are you here? Better yet, at least it explain why you don't sign a name to blatent generalisations (ie: what country I am from), and your opinions of the show. So, why do you watch it if it's so bad and not in the league of Doctor Who? Why are you here? (because I really am curious)
- Dee
I can't wait to see Horsemen II! Those Ori really creep me out.
As for interesting things to watch, try Human Trafficking with Donald Sutherland and Mira Sorvino (or however you spell her name). Bang Bang Orangutan, a little dark Swedish comedy. It's in Swedish but there are subtitles. =)
Joe - still cannot find it deep within yourself to go to bat for your veteran actress the way you did for the new guy in your emotional blog of 10/21/05 extolling the virtues of Mr.B?
Oh sorry, I forgot that derogatory personal attacks are not worth your time unless of course someone dares to call your new boy a hack.
Things just keep getting better in the wonderful world of Stargate where everyone is apparently one big happy family.
Augur
Get. A. Life.
Augur: can I make a suggestion? Leave that unpleasentness behind us. I understand where Joe is coming from, thoise personal attaks are not worth recognising, simply because it gives those attacks power.
Adding to those attacks by calling Ben Browder a hack doesn't help. We so far have seemed to have moved on and are discussing the show both thoughtfully and without such comments. Maybe it'll be nice to continue doing so. Lets not turn back the clock.
Joe, this afternoon I caught the Science of Stargate special on Sky 1. During the special, Amanda Tapping identified Carter as "Chief Scientist and Leader of SG-1". There were many clips from season nine with Mitchell, so it was definitly recent too. It was nice to see your insistence of co-command finally backed up. I hope this puts to rest all of the doubts people had.
How come you weren't in the special? It was pretty cool. Your presence only would have made it cooler.
Tyler Warrington
Joe-
You're spoiling us! Less than a week between blogs! Thanks, dude!
Good Luck with the horror movie-fest. Not really my thing, although I like a good psychological-thriller, loved Misery and the original Manhunter (Red Dragon) is pretty creepy.
Glad you're happy with the football playoffs. I'm in mourning for my precious Eagles. So, now I'm pulling for either the Patriots or the Steelers.
Tuned into much of the Sci-Fi SG-1 marathon yesterday and have to say, I love Season 9. And, I really did like The Tie That Binds, even if you did homage one of my favorite MASH episodes... would have been great, except there was no reason for Vala to be in the room during the Senate hearing. No way. Didn't make any sense... but whatever.
I really hope that the 200th episode does actually feature the team. And while the occasional humorous episode is fun, personally, for the 200th ep, I'd like a nice suspenseful, semi-action packed, angsty team-based story. Just my opinion.
"What do you want to see? Two men or women kissing while having a first contact situation with an alien race? Sure, that's believable."
And yet they write in John Sheppard getting hot and heavy with the local alien princess even though they just discovered another Ancient city.
Looks like the Atlantis writers' definition of believeable is slightly different than yours.
And yet they write in John Sheppard getting hot and heavy with the local alien princess even though they just discovered another Ancient city.
And yet, that still makes more sense then having a love in across the galaxy. All in all, I couldn't care less whether Sheppard on occasion got it on with an Alien princess - sure it's cheesy but you move on. I couldn't care less if they had a gay relationship.
But it isn't the talking point of the whole show, and to call the show child-like or whatever because they don't show a gay relationship is ridiculas.
You see having Sheppard have a relationship with a 'native' makes more sense then introducing the mating habits of an entire race of people. Why? Because Sheppard is part of the core crew, those individuals on other planets are only peripheral characters - often there for one show and gone the next... Unless them being homosexual somehow makes the ZPM over power - why would it be included? It'll only detract from Character and the Plot of the episode.
If it serves a point I am all for it, if it's there because it's there... why?
Tyler Warrington said:
"Joe, this afternoon I caught the Science of Stargate special on Sky 1. During the special, Amanda Tapping identified Carter as "Chief Scientist and Leader of SG-1". There were many clips from season nine with Mitchell, so it was definitly recent too. It was nice to see your insistence of co-command finally backed up. I hope this puts to rest all of the doubts people had.
How come you weren't in the special? It was pretty cool. Your presence only would have made it cooler."
So the colead thing is confirmed! I can't wait to see the Mitchell and Carter factions eat this one up. Seriously, though, Carter at least acts like a leader.
DEE: To be honest this gay relationship crap is tiring - why bother with it since it will NEVER happen. I don't want to see or hear about that nonsense on the blog so I brought up a point that once again Joe has not addressed in any honest fashion.
His unwillingness to address the derogatory personal attacks is contradictory to his position a few months back and the worst that was said then was that Mr. B was a "hack" (btw I did not call Mr. B a "hack" that is the personal attack that prompted the 10/21 defense from Mr. Mallozzi). I am still wondering how it is that he runs to the defense of someone who is called a hack but to say that personal attacks are not worth his time when the mud-slinging and derogatory attacks and abuse went far beyond the term "hack".
Discussing gay realtionships in Stargate or Mr. Mallozzi's change of heart on personal attacks - I choose the latter; thanks for playing though.
Augur
Augur: And I think covering the tired ground of Joe or anyone aknowledging and addressing the blatently cruel and terrible Character Assasinations of AT and BB and CB and hell even MS to be more fruitless then discussing the relatively new topic of Gay relationships on Stargate. That's why I am contributing to that discussion, because I find it interesting - you don't, that's your choice.
But explain to me why we have to jump back in time and rehash those attacks again and again? All you are doing it bringing attention and giving credence to the ridculas statements made by a few individuals. Let it die, they are not worth your time. And Joe has every right to let them go to? Why? Because maybe he doesn't want to bring any undue attention to their hateful words, bringing attention to something gives them power.
eh, I'd prefer to discuss gay relationships if it meant people would stop bashing the actors...
Tyler Warrington said:
"Joe, this afternoon I caught the Science of Stargate special on Sky 1. During the special, Amanda Tapping identified Carter as "Chief Scientist and Leader of SG-1". There were many clips from season nine with Mitchell, so it was definitly recent too. It was nice to see your insistence of co-command finally backed up. I hope this puts to rest all of the doubts people had."
Nooooooooooooooooo! That belongs to Cam! Sam is Science Girl and already is a star on the show. Ben's had a rough enough transition into the team, this is too much. I know they took it away from Sam and it looks crappy b/c of AT's pregnancy and all but still, Nooooooooooooooo! I like Mitchell and want him to belong and not just be tacked on. Don't take his "thing", please.
Hi Joe,
I love Time Travel eps... love them, love them, love them... there are even talks that the 200 ep should be a la "Window of Opportunities" but difficult if RDA is not around.. who will be playing golf with Teal'c?
The "What if" ep has RDA potential don't you think? also please, please, please... yes, you know I'm a shipper... NO PETE... no what if with Pete... don't got THERE! if we keep going like we are, there will be more Pete and Kerry mentions in S9 than Jack's!
How's your soccer team going? was it Arsenal? no mention in your blog :)
PS: Happy New Year!!!!
"Though I wouldn't want to see Stargate tackle it, they made such a pigs ear of poor Jack and Sam, I dread to think what they'd do with such a story line.
Findhorn."
What I didn't like most about Jack&Sam? That they stretched it out as long as they did and that they didn't let them get together because of it. A happy ending would be pretty nice.
Re: the gay issue
Honestly, I'd like a little subtle acknowledgement in the show about homosexuality.
Actually, I think Atlantis is the perfect place to slip it in. They have many, many civilians that we see consistantly. They've already shown that it's okay for them to intermingle(ie McKay and Katie Brown? in Duet). Slipping in a comment or a brief scene or even something in the background in the mess area would be perfect. Subtle, but realistic.
It's this exact thing that Star Trek fans have been asking for for years and never got.
I'm not asking for a major character, or even a minor recurring character, to be gay, although I wouldn't mind it, but just a bit of a concession that 'Hey, there are hundreds of people here. A few are probably gay.'
BTW, I'm American.
Addendum: (did I spell that right?)
Actually. A scene I'd like to see that would also satisfy me:
Sheppard, the obviously heterosexual male getting hit on by a not so heterosexual man(whose society doesn't mind, I will stress) much like he gets hit on by women all the time.
That's a scene that could lead to the funny by seeing Sheppard deal with it, although he honestly seems like he'd deal with it really nicely. But it would also acknowledge homosexuality somewhere in the universe(not even 'the galaxy', because of course they are in a different galaxy. :p ).
Just something that wandered through my admittedly bizarre mind. Haha.
Well, if you are ever looking to expand the cast then I suggest you bring back uncle nick in a younger form, say 30 years old.
Yeah, I'm not a rabid shipper, but a happy ending for Jack and Sam would be nice at this point. They both deserve it.
Kiyuchan: The only problem I see with Sheppard being hit on by a guy, is if he freaks out suddenly Sheppard and TPTB will suddenly be classed as homophobic. I don't know who remembers but in Promethus Unbound when Reynolds balked at giving Hammand CPR, there were some people who were saying both Reynolds and the PTB were homophobic, never reading that maybe the character freaked over the idea of giving a 3 star general (i think) CPR - which made sense.
Ya know... I think they could do a little asside where Weir is asked to procide over an Athosian's wedding and they could be gay. Nothing totally as in your face as Sheppard getting hit on, but a nice little commentary (plus I'd love the irony).
I think an asside would be nicer aswell because it wouldn't be a focus point and thus most people wont jump on either bandwagon.
Personally on another topic, I would love to see Pete again. Honestly I wouldn't like to see Sam and Pete, but it would be nice to see Pete. Anyone remember that he has clearance. Could be interesting for all involved parties.
Plus like some of you I am fervently hoping to see a guest spot by Jack. It'll be good to see the ol' guys back together. Just not Sam and Jack together. If that were ever to happen, I really think it is final episode material. Or never. Never answering it fully would be nice. But that's just me. But def. wanna see Jack again.
Hey, How about those Ravens ! :(
Happy New year Joe !
sg1Poz
Ohh and, Star Trek kind of gave us homosexual in DS9 when they had Kira and Dax kiss when they were competing with Babylon 5.
Star Trek was never better then when they were competeing with Babylon 5.
Kiyuchan said..
That's a scene that could lead to the funny by seeing Sheppard deal with it, although he honestly seems like he'd deal with it really nicely. But it would also acknowledge homosexuality somewhere in the universe(not even 'the galaxy', because of course they are in a different galaxy. :p ).
I can see what you're saying, the problem is that the only time I've seen homosexuality acknowledged on SG1 or SGA is as a joke -"Carlos" in "Mobieus" and all the stuff in "Duet".
If it's going to be acknowledged at all, I would much rather SG1 or the team on Atlantis do a meet and greet on another planet and are introduced to someone's partner who happens to be of the same gender. No issue, no big deal but it acknowledges that homosexuality exists as something more than as an excuse for adolecent joking.
It's not going to happen. If shows that are for more mature audiences i.e. Farscape and BSG, are not going to acknowledge homosexuality (although it could be argued that Chiana personified Queer Nation),then a nice, safe, middle-of-the road, family entertainment show like Stargate certainly isn't going to go there. That's not a knock on Stargate, it is what it is and I watch it and am happy with the way it is(for the most part) but it's always going to stay relatively safe. I do appreciate that it's gotten a slight edge this season by looking at Religious Fundimentalism but it's kept pretty balenced and I doubt many people have been offended enough to switch off. Acknowledging that homosexuality is anything more than an excuse for a joke though, and is infact "normal" for many of us,is, I think asking too much at this point. Maybe in season 25 ;o)
yabyumpan
dee said:
I don't know who remembers but in Promethus Unbound when Reynolds balked at giving Hammand CPR, there were some people who were saying both Reynolds and the PTB were homophobic, never reading that maybe the character freaked over the idea of giving a 3 star general (i think) CPR - which made sense.
The problem with that scene is that it doesnt look good for Reynolds (or the writers) either way you look at it. Either he's not a very good soldier/officer if he balks at giving CPR to a wounded soldier (the fact that he's a 3 star is not an excuse. Everyone is treated equally when the s*** hits the fan), or he's homophobic for balking at giving CPR to a man. And lets face it - does anyone actually believe they would have written Reynolds reaction like that if the 3-star general was a woman?
The problem with that scene is that it doesnt look good for Reynolds (or the writers) either way you look at it. Either he's not a very good soldier/officer if he balks at giving CPR to a wounded soldier (the fact that he's a 3 star is not an excuse. Everyone is treated equally when the s*** hits the fan), or he's homophobic for balking at giving CPR to a man. And lets face it - does anyone actually believe they would have written Reynolds reaction like that if the 3-star general was a woman?
I'm just saying... People can read anything they wanted into everything, and after spending some time with nurses and their assitants, you would be suprised how many people balk when things go wrong...
I don't think he was homophobic, I just think he balked. No, it didn't look good for his character, but it was oddly human in an annoying kind of way. Would he have acted the same way if it was a woman? I dunno, I don't write for the show and don't know or have any idea at what makes Reynolds tick.
But this discussion is the perfect example of why homosexuality unless it relates to a main character never really works. Some people will always say it was handled wrong, some with say it should never have been handled, some will stop watching, some wont care, and others would be cheering. Ohh wait, that happens now. I think I killed my own arguement.
To be serious though. I thought that snippet with Reynolds got more airtime after the show then it deserved. I still reakon if the issue is ever handled it has to either play a central role in relations with another culture or it has to be understated, otherwise it'll feel icky. But that's just me. Although I do find this topic of discussion very interesting, as peoples viewpoints are so whoely different. And plus, no flaming. Added bonus :).
As for horror movies... I love Bella Lugosi horrors because they are fun. I also like movies with a lot of blood, like the Living Dead trilogy and other zombie flicks. Shaun of the Dead is a must see for a laugh - best spoof ever.
As for serious horror, most of them have been meantioned. Although, psychological thrillers are a passion of mine, and very few people have ever been able to pull the off like Hitchcock. Actually I recommend Orson Well's
"The Trial". It's not scary really, but it's a trip - it's based on Kafka's book, although it does mess around with it a bit. So it's Kafka with dramatic license. Actually, that does sound scary. *grin*
long Wind
As for the "homophobic" trail. Without attempting to Troll....(bridge, what bridge) Could we sidejump by remembering that for 8 seasons we've been reminded that there is no legitimate way for 2 people of unequal rank in a chain of command to have a relationship, and this is obviously what the airman was worried about before giving CPR to his ranking commander. (OK, I may now need that bridge to hide under. But that is at least one fun interpretation. Personally, I thought it was a nice touch of humour. It was no more intensely problematic for me than the identical momentary reaction that Daniel has to the trooper(Vala) before the unveiling of the face behind the mask, which made the moment doubly funny)
As for legitimate "Reacting to unfamiliar territory" - How is this for a take. SGA ends up in a matriarchy: Teyla is presumed leader, and McKay, Ronan and Sheppard are various consorts, or ..... I think the reactions of the characters could give a LOT of development without requiring an arc episode. This could be a lot of fun, and having them left to the harem (or whatever you'd call the BOQ there....could be a lot of fun. (One of the funniest episodes of Hercules TV: when Anthony Quinn was still playing Zeus, hiding in the village as the Amazons approached.) Probably script-elf hell, and best left to fanfic...but it would also leave a good chance for Weir to come to the rescue. (And I think Torri Higginnson's efforts to keep a straight face through the scenes would rival Harvey Korman/Tim Conway's giggling feud of the Carol Burnett show)
And the request for more femslash.....does that refer to a female friends issue, or is more that in the horror theme? Or is that what a few canonical trolls will consider THEIR worst nightmare and theme.
Of note: Dana Jeanne, Dani347, etc. That hiding under the bed thing is smarter than watching the wrong thing. If you ever do watch the nasties, though, you do REALLY get your money's worth.... ;-)
A good comedy that really handled the suspense right was "Foul Play" - Chevy Chase and Goldie Hawn in much funnier times.
One of the most frightening movies I've seen recently, not just enjoyed, but some of the images really stayed with me, was "Devil's Advocate" with Keanu Reaves and Al Pacino. In some subtle ways, Pacino manages to out-evil himself from Scarface.(And that's saying something)
PS: Joe: Local knowledge: Videomatica has some of the best of old stuff to rent(http://www.videomatica.ca/ Kits: 4th, just west of Burrard.(nope, not associated, just really good selection) ). I'm VERY fond of old Wolfman and Dracula stuff(Silent era, etc. Sorry, guess those days were REALLY bad times for the script elves. Write a couple of post boards, and home by lunch(and hope your not paid by the word))
PPS: Skeleton of Cadavera sends up nicely both horror and D grade 50s' SF.
Bubba Hotep is one of the greatest movies of the last 5 years. (Elvis vs. the Pharoh....YAH)
On the mixed comedy/horror trip, Jason vs. Freddy was a lot of fun.
PPSS(whatever) Keep it up, the kvetching is really about "ends of an egg", but our Gulliver's view is that you've created an amazing place to be in the Gateverse(s). Thanks, and I'm looking forward to both your blog....exhausting to read comments (wheeee) and more particuarly what stories you're heading us off to.....
What can I say: 219 nights down, 782 to go......
lw
Interesting assumption - I am actually Australian.
LOL! One of little Johnnie's rednecks, then. I should have guessed.
Why did you assume I was American?
See above. :) It's getting hard to tell you apart! Never mind when Johnnie finishes selling us out to his good buddy George we'll be the 50something state and the distinction won't matter any more.
Because I don't believe either hetro or homosexuality is an important talking point in a show. Sure, Queer as Folk it is (and it's a good show), it worked in Buffy, but that was a Character development point. Having the token homosexual relationship grace the screens doesn't make the show a 'grown up' show. Often it makes it fake, and trying. Why? Because most people whether gay, straight or bi don't flaunt their relationships.
And where did I say it had to be "flaunted"? The bi character in Doctor Who was handled so deftly and matter of fact-ly that it wasn't even seen by the very young (or the old if my parents are anything to go by) and yet for those that got the nuances it was a refreshing departure from the usual US TV "default" setting of hetro. How many couples have we seen off world and on in the 9 seasons of SG1? Is it really believable that not one of them was same sex? Not all gays are Brian Kiney you know.
You also asked why I watch a show I consider to be kids stuff, well I'm a big fan of Thunderbirds, Captain Scarlet and Dangermouse too but I hardly go to them for mental stimulation or thought provoking plots. Then again, Dangermouse is probably more multi layered than SG1 has been for years anyway. ;) Still it's a shame that SG1, which really does have a lot of unrealised potential, wallows in the thoughtless, casually prejudicial assumptions of gender, race and sexuality that has typified the writing during most of it's run.
Alex in Sydney
sure I can sign my name but what does it mean to anyone?
Alex, quit making assumptions... I have no problem with the issues been dealt with, I have no problem if they show a gay relationship on the show. I just don't think it's going to make a diference at all. Kinda interested as to why you think it would? But I would hate to make you think on such a kids show, when obviously your mental acquity is better suited for Doctor Who (which is also a show I love).
This opinion comes to you completely independant of any political party and politicking. It's proudly bought to you by someone who is a fan of this 'one dimensional show' as you fondly call it. Call it what you want, call me what you want, make all the assumptions you like. It doesn't make you right.
long wind said:
As for the "homophobic" trail. Without attempting to Troll....(bridge, what bridge) Could we sidejump by remembering that for 8 seasons we've been reminded that there is no legitimate way for 2 people of unequal rank in a chain of command to have a relationship, and this is obviously what the airman was worried about before giving CPR to his ranking commander.
Err... was that interpretation meant to be for real...? :S
About my random scene of Sheppard getting hit on:
I do know that the scene would only work if Sheppard didn't freak. He didn't freak too much finding out about the Stargate and aliens(although the Asgard do a bit) and the Goa'uld. So...I think he'd deal with it pretty well. But, it'd be funny if he dealt with it like in that line in The Tower...
(spoiler)
"I never see this coming."
A little joke, but not really offensive to anyone unless someone is offended that he doesn't go and the guy. And if that's true, then I don't care and they can get over it.
Like I said...I know this scene won't happen...I just thought it was fun to contemplate, because the chicks are always after Sheppard, so why wouldn't the guys be? But my first post...yeah. I really DO want to see one(or all!) of those happen. The Sheppard one was just the random ramblings of my brain.
:)
Something for everyone for me means JACK.
Kiyuchan: I would love to see a guy hit on Sheppard. He is a pretty boy, and gals do hit on him all the time... Plus he tends to handle everything in his stride aslong as his friends/people are not in danger - so it would be a fun little scene.
Translation - I agree with you whole heartedly.
I don't want anyone to hit on Sheppard anymore (male or female). Nor do I want to see HIM hit on anyone. I miss the loveable, scruffy soldier from season 1 (minus "Skanktuary"), wish he would come back so we don't have to deal with the "Sheph0r" anymore.
Actually I recommend Orson Well's
"The Trial". It's not scary really, but it's a trip -
Oh, man. I loved The Trial. Never read the book, so whatever changes didn't bother me. It's a really weird film.
Chloe said...
Hey Joe
Check out the movie "Night Watch" or "Nochnoi Dozor" as it is known in its original Russian. It is brilliant.
It's absolutely a "MUST SEE", I've just finished watching it and it's really great, although I'm more than sure that I'm going to have nightmares in the night after this movie. But it's bloody brilliant.
I see the pit bull is out of the kennel again.
I wish that I could watch all of these horror movies people keep reccing! The few I've seen lead me, a 24 year old woman, to sleep with my lights on. :(
Hi... I'm not sure if you meant Horror movies or horror series... But there's a good horror series airing on the WB on Tuesdays this season called "Supernatural" I'd definitely recommend you'd watch this show... Some people say its too scary :D ... Ofcourse if you want to watch the entire season I'd suggest waiting till the DVD Season Box is released cause they're already at the 10th episode or so and will come back with the 11th episode next week after hiatus...
Friendly greetings,
Angel
Well Joe-at least we agree on the Steelers-who will-defy all NFL logic and take all three games-the Bengals, the Patriots and the Colts-to face the Bears in Super Bowl 40 and win it. One for thumb-this year is the one.
Agent Dark: "
Err... was that interpretation meant to be for real...? :S "
No: ...."the identical momentary reaction that Daniel has to the trooper(Vala) before the unveiling of the face behind the mask, which made the moment doubly funny)..." ;-) Most of the episode is humourous in vain. The Hammond/Airman scene was clearly intended in humour, and VERY similiar to the Vala/Daniel scene earlier. I thought they were reflections. MHO. (PS. From my friends from the US military, usually 90% of ANYTHING to do with a three-star general involves him serving a large portion of a person's butt back to them well cooked. This is more the vein than a homophobic rift.
The episode has some really groovy literary allusions, which I'm not all up on, but one of them is the Percy Shelley's "Prometheus Unbound". Not of general interest to everyone reading this, so search engine and play.....
Also, I do find amusing that Percy Shelley's wife is infintely better known than he is. She was the author of "Frankenstein, or the Modern Prometheus" (by Mary Wollstonecraft (Godwin) Shelley)
www.gutenberg.net. As Vala may overtake Daniel in people's hearts in the future, so Mary Shelley's fame overtook her immensely popular husband's in history. Unintended consequence?
Let history decide.
**Hey Joe, unfortunately, history is agains the Steelers. A fifth or sixth seed has never made it to the Super Bowl since they started the 12-team format.**
If this post more than once I apologize...
I believe that the Denver Broncos won their first Super bowl when they were a 5 seed.
When did these comments turn into a forum for homosexuality pro and con in the show? Just curious.
The pit bull has been let off the leash, not just out of the kennel.
well it's simple, actually. someone asked "what about us shippers?" and suggested they wanted to see something shippy between jack and sam in the 200th episode.
then someone said "what about us femslashers" and suggested they wanted something between Carter and Vala and someone else suggested that tptb aren't brave enough to go there...although i'm not sure what bravery has to do with that particular case as opposed to character continuity as the last several seasons have laid out that sam and jack have feelings for each other and they had to deal with whatever obstacles in order to get the chance to be together.
so at least where carter is concerned she already has been shipped with someone and is for all intents and purposes thoroughly unshippable with anyone other than jack and as a shipper that makes me happy.
joe, sign me up in the i want jack/sam shippy resolution before the end of the series column.
[so at least where carter is concerned she already has been shipped with someone and is for all intents and purposes thoroughly unshippable with anyone other than jack and as a shipper that makes me happy.]
What's to stop them shipping her with the new star? The actress is after more attention, so she'd be happy with it and they are both the same rank so no chain of command issues.
Sign me up as absolutely NO SHIP at all for ep200. I don't care if RDA is back or not. If he is, please not shippy google eyed stares and dewy looks with soft focus. The huge pot of vaseline is all used up on the close ups of you know who.
So basically I have no idea if u actually read these comments! Of course Seattle is going to win, that is not even an issue. I hope the Colts make it to the Superbowl, and I'd keep my eye on the Giants too... even if their kicker is the worst-ever. Poor guy. Ono the show though... Question: Why doesn't Teyla teach Weir to do some stick fighting? Now that would be some great footage!
Get over yourself, buggalugs.
DEM, Noromo and proud of it.
Wow lots of chit chat here about all sorts of interesting things...
I'm also in the "shippy resolution before the end of the series" like that anonymous poster suggested. Heck as long as I have a sense it'll be addressed in the future then I'm cool with seeing Carter mesh in the new dynamic and do those Carter things she does.
I'm sorry people don't enjoy ship but since it was scripted and set to film...as in, "that ship has sailed" so to speak...it is canon and I'd like to think there'd be more along this line down the road, for the sake of character continuity if nothing else.
So perhaps the noromos can close their eyes when they do show more shippy scenes like I have to with other scenes that I don't enjoy.
Mary Beth
:)
i am so excited about part 2 of stargate, i just cnt wait, this is my first time posting a comment on joes blog woo would he read it???? hehe i was wondering tho has the whole box set of season 8 already been out in the UK??? im desprate to get my hands on it. well happy new year to you joe and the rest of the bloggers :)
Someone whould tell the pit bull to get new comments from her client, not rehash quotes which are 7-8 years old.
"I'm sorry people don't enjoy ship but since it was scripted and set to film...as in, "that ship has sailed" so to speak...it is canon"
It's canon that Jack left for Washington and didn't leave the Airforce. It's canon that Sam didn't leave the Airforce to be with him and went to Area 51. It's canon that Jack is still in charge of SGC affairs and gives her orders. They could have got together. It's canon they didn't. I'm not getting this unresolved hanging storyline stuff. Can we now move on from old storylines and let Sam move on with her life or does she have to hang around waiting and keep herself pure for Jack for another 9 years?
Joe, bring in the Furlings!! Me and hundreds of fans have been dieing to see them. If you don't, me and my army of over 1,000,000 kulls will destroy you and your life.
Joe, bring in the Furlings!! Me and hundreds of fans have been dieing to see them. If you don't, me and my army of over 1,000,000 kulls will destroy you and your life.
Canon, canon, canon....
Like the producers won't change it at any time if it suite their purpose to continue the series.
Hey, for all we know our's isn't the universe that matters???
I happen to like the one with the wacked out bugs. At least the bugs got along....
Actually we have seen the furlings I believe - it was in the episode "Crystal Skull".
Canon is an interesting concept ain't it. Subject to perception and some quantum theorists are quite hot on the idea that perception is reality. Apparently the universe is created by the imagination... personally I'm finding that tough to believe since I can't fly and am yet to snog RDA.
But anywhoo... As far as I percieve the canonical events of the end of season 8, there was defenitely an implication that Jack & Sam had progressed in their relationsip. There was a tacit acknowlegement that there was something to it that keeps them coming back to each other. There were fish metaphores (notgoingtherenotgoingtherenotgoingthere) and hand!pr0n and a possible ass-grab (yet to be confirmed).
I think the issue I and many shippers have is the tacit, metaphore and implication parts of that paragraph. There's nothing quite as frustrating as a 9 year prick-tease without a resolution at the end. Well ok, maybe a few things.
But for those who can't see the issue, that's it. We want the onscreen Big Honkin kiss resolve.
There's enough tidbits in the last few eps of season 8 to say that Sam & Jack have something between them. It's just maddenly obscure and unclear. I guess for a big chunk of us, it's an issue we just can't get past. I'm keeping the faith that eventually there'll be something less vague, metaphorical, analagous and tacit. I'm looking forward to that, however far off it may be.
As for horror Joe... Event Horizon, Saw, Saw II, House on Haunted Hill (such fun) and Rose Red.
:)
Myrth
Dee said...
Actually we have seen the furlings I believe - it was in the episode "Crystal Skull".
Naw...they're too big to have fit in that little meeting room on Ernest's planet.
I still say that the Foothold aliens were Furlings gone bad. Then when SG-1 goes to meet Furling representatives and sees them in their true form, Sam, Daniel and Teal'c would flip out not knowing the one's who assaulted earth 6 years ago were rogue.
And then one of them recognizes Sam or Teal'c as he himself is a rogue agent trying to subvert the Furling agenda for peace.
Hey it's just an idea...
Mary Beth
:D
someone said: It's canon that Jack left for Washington and didn't leave the Airforce. It's canon that Sam didn't leave the Airforce to be with him and went to Area 51. It's canon that Jack is still in charge of SGC affairs and gives her orders. They could have got together. It's canon they didn't. I'm not getting this unresolved hanging storyline stuff. Can we now move on from old storylines and let Sam move on with her life or does she have to hang around waiting and keep herself pure for Jack for another 9 years?//
you know, you're making some good points that are hard truths for me to fight off (other than we don't know that they 'didn't' get together off screen). it's true, the writers did NOT prove that they went forward after all the obstacles they put up (and then removed), so... *this* season was the time to show them move from 'will they/won't they?' to 'they did'.
but, what i can respond to is *wanting* to see them move beyond this limbo point. the writers set it up (have been for years), so it's obviously something that's intended to go somewhere. but for them not doing it this year, when they're a- not serving on the same team, and b- not serving on the same base... can't really figure out why the writers have not went forward. okay, so jack's not on the show anymore, but THAT could help in the s/j storyline not taking over the show. soooo....
and for those that don't want to see it happen. there are a lot of things that i don't find that interesting, so i either don't pay attention when they come up or i fastforward through them. and i'm sure there are a lot of ppl that use this approach. as for you being bitter about the subject; stand in line. i'm on the opposite end of the line, but i still don't like the looooong build up, fense sitting, and lack of forward momentum (where as you don't like the ship, period).
joe, writers, ptb: you want to stall the s/j ship *again*: okay, then *set it up on screen* that they're waiting for one another. of course, if you don't want to/won't... there's not a lot i can do about it other than complain and wonder why. and be disappointed. and...
sally, proud s/j shipper :)
Mary Beth said:Naw...they're too big to have fit in that little meeting room on Ernest's planet.
I still say that the Foothold aliens were Furlings gone bad. Then when SG-1 goes to meet Furling representatives and sees them in their true form, Sam, Daniel and Teal'c would flip out not knowing the one's who assaulted earth 6 years ago were rogue.
And then one of them recognizes Sam or Teal'c as he himself is a rogue agent trying to subvert the Furling agenda for peace.
Actually I think size is relative. They appeared to be that big, but what makes us think that it wasn't just some sort of holographic projection like teh Asgard have used :).
Though I do like the logic of the bug people. Personally I just thought that they were sick of looking like beetles that's why they were trying to take over Earth.
Majsal said: "you know, you're making some good points that are hard truths for me to fight off (other than we don't know that they 'didn't' get together off screen). it's true, the writers did NOT prove that they went forward after all the obstacles they put up (and then removed), so... *this* season was the time to show them move from 'will they/won't they?' to 'they did'. "
Actually, this is the season to move forward from the tired old romance cliché and get back to the "roots" of the stargate story like exploration, adventure, and meeting new races. Even Amanda has said in interviews recently it was time to move past the ship and back to Carter's roots (and I don't think she means the hair variety), which makes me believe she doesn't want it any more either.
I like S/J.
Those two actors/characters are the only reason I have watched SG as long as I have... that and some amazingly well written scripts.
It's a really good show, but after season four the other characters just don't have enough compelling personality for me to actually watch week after week without something more offered.
Personally I'd like the producers etc, etc, etc, etc... to resolve the S/J issue once and for all (positively of course) and continue on with someone else as the target of UST.
UST sells to an audience faster than anything. That, and bad advertising! Anyway, let there be Daniel/Vala UST or Mitchell and the new doc UST and maybe, finally, (though unrealistically) everyone else will finally shut their yaps about who isn't or wasn't or will maybe someday do something that is so entirely vague that to mention it would be sacrilege.
Jen
Anonymous said...
Actually, this is the season to move forward from the tired old romance cliché and get back to the "roots" of the stargate story like exploration, adventure, and meeting new races. Even Amanda has said in interviews recently it was time to move past the ship and back to Carter's roots (and I don't think she means the hair variety), which makes me believe she doesn't want it any more either.
Actually Amanda said that it was good they explored that facet of Carter's personality and now that they have she'd love to see more of her kickbutt!soldier side come out too..."it's time to up the body count." ;)
However I think you're perhaps going too far by suggesting "she doesn't want [ship] anymore either." She's never said that. Quite the contrary in fact...she stated that Season 8 left the door open for more between Jack and Sam in the future.
She just doesn't want Sam defined by that one part of her life...and I agree. It is possible, believe it or not, to have Sam be a fully functioning, integral and strong member of the team AND have a romantic relationship at the same time.
Multi-faceted characters with lots of layers...not all work all the time or all romance all the time. But a nice, reasonable mix thereof.
Just like it's possible to continue the character growth of veteran cast members while exploring the motivations and interests of the new characters. One group doesn't have to "suffer" for the sake of focusing on the other.
This either/or business is going to be the death of me.
Mary Beth
:S
Actually, this is the season to move forward from the tired old romance cliché and get back to the "roots" of the stargate story like exploration, adventure, and meeting new races. Even Amanda has said in interviews recently it was time to move past the ship and back to Carter's roots (and I don't think she means the hair variety), which makes me believe she doesn't want it any more either.
You know it's funny, I hear that phrase alot... "the roots of Stargate" and I'm not entirely sure what that's supposed to mean.
The roots of Stargate to me includes the S/J angle. Season 1, pilot - subtle friction established. Season 1, ep 4 - Get physical, test audience reaction and so on and so forth. Amanda's casting story lends weight to the theory that the issue was one the table from the start, even before the pilot had been written... it's been a part of the tapestry from the begining.
Of course it's up to every viewer to form their own opinion and clearly there are many different views. But my version of Stargate going back to it's roots has Jack in it. That's probably why I live by the rule you can never go back, because the past can't be the present, otherwise it wouldn't be the past. Nothing's ever the same when you try to go back... clearly.
That rambling aside, I understand the concept of moving forward and I fully support that. But there'll always be that little piece of me longing for a decent close on what has been (to me), a very humanizing and quite real plot line.
When thinking about this, I think I'd have preferred the name change to Stargate Command. It would have been easier to take the changes and ignore the dis-continuity (is that word?) issues created by the changeover. I hate to be critical based on 10 eps, but it's all come across as clumsy to me. Largely because so many minor points of continuity are being ignored.
I was disappointed with what RDA was used for in Avalon, it seemed like a throw away for what is no doubt, expensive time. I say that because his presence wasn't used to make any real transition. Not enough was explained in those sequences. A character on whom the series was pivoted for so long, deserved better I thought, for the sake of the show's integrity more than anything.
But on the other hand, I feel somewhat arrogant in being critical of a process I actually know little about.. so I'm going to abandon the soap box on that issue and assume that someone knows what they're doing and that there's more to come.
As for Amanda's comments on the ship. That's probably a whole bunch less black and white than that I should think. But also your interpretation of the comment. Mine was a little different.
:)
M.
Mary Beth wrote:
So perhaps the noromos can close their eyes when they do show more shippy scenes like I have to with other scenes that I don't enjoy.
Amen to that. I'm a big Daniel fan, but I gotta say that when Michael Shanks does the batting of the eyelashes thing (which has probably taken up as much, if not more, actual screentime that the S/J ostensibly "shippy" scenes, it just makes me cringe. *I* cannot watch it; I *HAVE* to fast forward or close my eyes because it takes me right out of the scene.
I'm not sure what is supposed to be implied there; if it is the writer's choice or the actor's choice. Is the subtext that Daniel is actually a little flirtatious vixen that can get members of all galactic species (because he did it to Aris Boch) to succumb to his whims, is it a tick, what the hell is that? I find that as cringeworthy as the supposed DEOD the anti-Sam fans dislike so much. But it's there and I can't change it. So, hey we all have our crosses to bear and have to put up with things than creep us out. Some of us just do it a bit more quitely than others.
Jaydn
Joe, you simply must give the S/J ship fans what they want because they are all holding their collective breath at the moment and we wouldn't want them to turn the color of their favorite jello and asphyxiate.
Actually on second thoughts....
**Matt said...
Joe, you simply must give the S/J ship fans what they want because they are all holding their collective breath at the moment and we wouldn't want them to turn the color of their favorite jello and asphyxiate.
Actually on second thoughts....**
You know Matt, they always say the nicest things about you.
Jaydn said: I'm a big Daniel fan, but I gotta say that when Michael Shanks does the batting of the eyelashes thing
That's a laugh out loud comment if ever I heard one.
At least he can move his eyelashes and eyebrows. Amaanda has so much botox she looks permanently startled. It's funny how that deep frown crease she had in the early seasons disappeared completely at the same time her eyebrows disappeared under her bangs.
And before you start whining about attacks on Amaanda again, the alleged 'Daniel fan' started it first.
Jason wrote:
And before you start whining about attacks on Amaanda again, the alleged 'Daniel fan' started it first.
Not whining, not whining. Just stating that all fans have things that drive them crazy about characters or actors; that they really find cringeworthy. I mention Daniel once just to point it out (and yes, I am a Daniel fan) - because while I've felt that way for a long long time, (and I know others who are driven crazy by it), this is the first time I've every said anything. There's something to be said for the concept of not verbalizing every single thought that comes into your head (over and over and over again.)
Wouldn't you agree? I mean, if I hate something, I just try to ignore it and don't waste my time talking about it. That's what I find so puzzling about the Sam haters; it's like they can't NOT talk about it; they will bring it up every chance they get. Just weird IMO. But that's just me.
And before you start whining about attacks on Amaanda again, the alleged 'Daniel fan' started it first.
Oh, nice to see that the Danny Ranters have moved up to childish remarks now "...but he started it first!"
Sigh. Round 682.
Here we go again...
Do you want a torch or 2?
Hi Joe, can you promise us we will get good team stories in season 10 and no Carter stories? They really are very dry and boring.
[Anonymous said... and yes, I am a Daniel fan]
It's easy to say you are a Daniel fan, especally when you post anonymously. You could be an axe murder for all we know.
Joe: Can you promise one day to make a 'choose your own adventure show' where everyone will get what they want, it'll cut down in complants.
Please? Please? Please?
Sorry, must be getting punchy with all the. "Include this, don't have this, this is boring, this is cool, I am god" posts... Oh wait, that last one is mine. :)
As a fan of Mitchell and Ben, I want to know you aren't going to shove him aside for Sam/Amanda just because her fans are up in arms that he is more senior than her and is leading the team.
Joe, by any chance are you able to write an episode that will cause all the Danny Ranters to all spontenously decide to stop watching teh show, leave the fandom and stop being general asshats?
"Wouldn't you agree? I mean, if I hate something, I just try to ignore it and don't waste my time talking about it. That's what I find so puzzling about the Sam haters; it's like they can't NOT talk about it; they will bring it up every chance they get. Just weird IMO. But that's just me."
A-freaking-men. If you're going to obsess over something, why not direct your attention toward positive things? The ones who obsess over something so negative are just going to give themselves an ulcer.
Joe, by any chance are you able to write an episode that will cause all the Danny Ranters AND the Dannyranter ranters to all spontenously decide to stop watching teh show, leave the fandom and stop being general asshats?
Define "asshat." Is this another word for short pants?
Robyn said...
Hi Joe, can you promise us we will get good team stories in season 10 and no Carter stories? They really are very dry and boring.
Yes Joe. Please don't have more Carter episodes because I personally find them boring. I mean, never mind that a lot of fans enjoy Carter episodes. I find them boring and therefore you must not have them as I am too selfish and self-absorbed to care that other people do enjoy them.
And just to be clear. I'm not really asking FOR something (although I couched my request nicely with the whole "team episode" thing though, didn't I?) but rather asking that you spare me personally from having to sit through something I don't enjoy and too bad for those who do. Same goes for ship too in case you were wondering.
I don't wish to be subjected to those storylines and clearly that's WAY more important than denying other fans what they enjoy.
Just as long as I'm happy.
I agree with ya about the Colts...I don't think they'll make it either.
"Joe, by any chance are you able to write an episode that will cause all the Danny Ranters to all spontenously decide to stop watching teh show, leave the fandom and stop being general asshats?"
That's simple. Get rid of Daniel. That would get rid of the more fanatic Daniel fans AND the fans that thrive by picking on said fans.
{Amen to that. I'm a big Daniel fan, but I gotta say that when Michael Shanks does the batting of the eyelashes thing (which has probably taken up as much, if not more, actual screentime that the S/J ostensibly "shippy" scenes, it just makes me cringe.}
Oh phooy you just reminded me that Daniel has stopped the eyelash batting thing and I really miss it too. Nonverbal sarcasm can sometimes be more effective than the spoken kind and Daniel Jackson is the master of nonverbal sarcastic responses.
I also like Sam's little quirky shoulder shrug 'oops' smile thing she does.
However nothing tops Teal'c and the eyebrow gesture for awesome nonverbal communication.
Ya know maybe when the greek chorus of "we want s&j resolution, a kiss, we deserve it, tell us Sam is the leader/prettiest/smartest/most popular/is pure and saving herslef for Jack, Joe we want, Joe we want, Joe we want, Joe we want, Joe we want" stops pestering Joe on every every blog and every second post on his thread on the forum, then maybe people will stop baiting you lot for a laugh.
Ya need to learn people do it to watch your heads spin simply because they are probably sick to death of the greek chorus
I forgot to add the latest refrain from the greek chorus Joe, how could TPTB be so nasty/horrible/arrogant towards Amanda".
Actually, this is the season to move forward from the tired old romance cliché and get back to the "roots" of the stargate story like exploration, adventure, and meeting new races. Even Amanda has said in interviews recently it was time to move past the ship and back to Carter's roots (and I don't think she means the hair variety), which makes me believe she doesn't want it any more either.
Why would she? She's a middle aged actress trying hard to hang on to her job and the attention she craves in the face of a younger more talented rival with far more media pull. Having her character irrevocably linked to a character who is unlikly to ever be seen again is the last thing she wants. That NY Times article had to go back to season ONE to find anything interesting to say about her, that says a lot.
However I think you're perhaps going too far by suggesting "she doesn't want [ship] anymore either." She's never said that. Quite the contrary in fact...she stated that Season 8 left the door open for more between Jack and Sam in the future.
Oh please, AT says whatever she thinks the person listening to her at the time wants to here. For every nauseatingly gushing comment she has made about "Sam and Jack loving each other" there's at least another of "they should NEVER get together" or "they should sleep together and get it out of their systems". Who knows what she wants? At this point I'd say anything that keeps her in front of the cameras.
Somehow this got posted to a closed early Dec. blog so I am reposting in Joe's latest (hopefully)
Joe,
After looking at an article in the latest TV Guide dealing with relationship between two of the series stars starting with the longest running, Gunsmoke's Matt and Kitty, up through the X-Files, I think you, the other writers and TPTB are missing a BIG money making opportunity – The wedding of Sam and Jack.
Now wait before you hit the delete key.. hear (read) me out.
First.. you have to think more Hollywood on this..
Its a Big wedding...
Think of the Muldavian wedding on Dynasty (without the massacre.. (hmmm unless you want to lose a few members of the current cast)).
The show will be two hours long...
First, Sam and Jack have a real adult discussion about their relationship and decide to take the big step.
Guest actors from previous shows (even ones that have died in the series) can make a cameo appearance (think Dr. Fraiser, Sam's father even Rodney all giving Sam advice or best wishes ala “Grace”).
Same for Jack (even his former wife could show up to wish him well).
Location location location...
The wedding takes place at the real Air Force Academy (You can do this.. quid pro quo for the guest spots of you know who in season seven's White House episodes).
Sam and Jack are married in their formal dress AF uniforms. At the end of the wedding Jack gives Sam his “Generals Stars” (More on why later .. hint.. Affinity).
Beautiful location to frame all the conversations. Special effects budget would be zero.
Tie in's ...
Tickets ($) for real seats in the chapel for the “wedding” and for the big dinner afterward with the money going to Sam and Jack's favorite charity
Some tickets to viewers via a Sci-Fi website raffle
Spreads in TV guide, other magazines and papers (like the recent Sam one in the NY Times (To prove my point.. in TV Guide BG's Roslin and Adama got two pages headlined “ The Ultimate Power Couple” and their not even a couple yet ). TV interviews too (Think Sam being interviewed by Barbra Walters) All this leading up to the wedding episode to get the viewer numbers way up so you can charge more for the Ads that night.
Pictures of the wedding signed by Sam and Jack (especially the “Kiss”) will be worth a fortune. If you doubt me, look how far over the internet the little one from “Point of View” has gone. Hasn't that one been raffled as well?
Special DVD of the wedding episode with wedding photos (which also contains a commented version by Jack and Sam of the full length “Threads” episode) would outsell the season nine DVD set by at least a factor of ten
Fan Reaction..
Shippers will have viewing parties with everyone saying “Isn't that great”. Non-shippers will have viewing parties saying “Isn't that awful ”. In any event, everyone will be watching and your numbers will be great
Resolution ..
Jack retires.. never to be seen on SG1 again.
Sam is promoted and put in charge of “The New Trust” (same mission as the old one but with a conscience) and goes on missions for both SG1 and Atlantis (when artifacts/technology are found)
Mitchell – Becomes XO of SG-13 (The SG team with the biggest fan reaction (positive) since SG1 ( Heroes – Part 1)
Teal'c replaces General Landry
Daniel and Vala – Now that's a whole different story.
So.. there you have it .. Happy viewers, bigger numbers, revenue opportunities and fun writing assignments.
What more could you ask for?
All you have to do is marry off Sam and Jack.
sorry, but that would suck balls.
Time travel eps are my faves eps on SG1.
There were the two solar flares messages which were sent via the gate to the team/hammond.
First one with teal'c wearing a hippie costume, the other, darker, was based ten years in the future mid-season 5.
There was also a few groundhog day episode, with RDA playing golf thru the gate in season 4, one with a program simutation of the crew members' most dramatic event (season 2?), another simulation in season 8, and the chair experiment with teal'c.
2 eps with daniel, one flashback where his wife gets killed and another 'what if' story as he turns into a powermonger mid-season 5.
Farscape also had a groundhog day episode in the first season which was cool. browder fainting dementia on SG1 would be great, he was very cool when going berserk on that show.
There are so many possibilities with time travel/what if scenarii, if possible, include a lesbian scene between claudia black and lexa doig, thank you please ?
beyond the grave.
"Ya know maybe when the greek chorus of "we want s&j resolution, a kiss, we deserve it, tell us Sam is the leader/prettiest/smartest/most popular/is pure and saving herslef for Jack, Joe we want, Joe we want, Joe we want, Joe we want, Joe we want" stops pestering Joe on every every blog and every second post on his thread on the forum, then maybe people will stop baiting you lot for a laugh.
Ya need to learn people do it to watch your heads spin simply because they are probably sick to death of the greek chorus"
I don't know what's worse, the nonstop ship requests or the resulting nonstop attacks on shippers. Way to keep the vicious circle going, moron.
i have to say the person who came up with marrying sam and jack off, was bloody super!!! they need a medal or something like that, it was brilliant, that is how id like to see Stargate SG1 come to finsih, and also daniel and vala confessing their love (they r so sweet) now im not a heavy shipper i just think sometimes its nice to have some romance in a tv series. but i wouldnt want Stargate SG1 to finsih for along time there is so much potential for the show, and i think it will go far, with the game coming out in spring 2006 and oing into season 10 i am amazed. so keep up the good work joe and everyone else who helps with stargate sg1 you are all truly amazing :) xxxxxxxxxxxx
I love the idea of getting rid of Daniel (talk about someone who has overstayed their welcome)and then maybe they can jettison that tramp cliche Vala (talk about an actress that looks way older then her years - goodness gracious could she look any more weathered?) I was shocked to hear she is in her early 30s my guess was 43-45 range. Poor dear.
Jenny
Wow, there are some catty Stargate fans, aren't there?
I love the idea of getting rid of Daniel (talk about someone who has overstayed their welcome)and then maybe they can jettison that tramp cliche Vala (talk about an actress that looks way older then her years - goodness gracious could she look any more weathered?) I was shocked to hear she is in her early 30s my guess was 43-45 range. Poor dear.
Jenny
Yeah, get rid of Daniel but keep Vala. She's not that bad. At any rate, I much prefer Vala to Daniel. More female characters, the better :)
penny said...
As a fan of Mitchell and Ben, I want to know you aren't going to shove him aside for Sam/Amanda just because her fans are up in arms that he is more senior than her and is leading the team.//
penny, there's another way of looking at this...
what if ben browder went on maternity leave at the beginning of a season (his wife just had a baby) and a brand new character was put on the show and was given ben's character's spot (i can't remember how to spell cryton). this would make sense, seeing as cryton wasn't there to lead his group of ppl. then, ben returns... and you expect that his character would resume his place on the show. but he doesn't. mr x is 'still' leading the group. and you expect cryton to say something about it. or the others to say something about it. but cryton just accepts not leading the group and everyone around him acts like it's no big deal. how would you, as a fan of the show, the character, the actor, feel? it's bad enough that cryton lost his place, but it was given to a *new* character. can you honestly tell me that you wouldn't be upset if this came about? honestly?
sally :)
I just fear one day, tptb will decide to do another episode like Citizen Joe, only base it on the comments from the blog. Maybe have a character with multiple personalities, so he (or she) could attack himself for daring to like one character or hate another or because they want something to happen on the show, or don't want something. And, then, the character comes to the SGC and guns everyone down, except Teal'c. Because if the character represents all the pov's, he'll have to hate everyone except Teal'c.
And, right before the hail of gunfire, one part of his personality will vainly be screaming, "stop fighting!"
to the person that came up with the sam/jack wedding... YEEHAW!:D
to be honest, i wasn't sure if you were joking/teasing/making fun of the idea (and shippers) or not, but i really liked some of that concept. at any rate; marry sam and jack off to one another!
(that felt good to write :p)
sally :)
Plotwise, marrying Jack and Sam off wouldn't make any difference as Sam could continue in her role on the team and kick all kinds of bad guy butt all over the universe.
Also this would effectively end the rampaging in fandom too by definitively showing TPTB really did have a "master plan" regarding that story arc, that they intend to see it to completion and that there really WAS a reason to put everyone through the angsty wringer for years.
I'm a bit scared that they'd rather drop the whole thing than see it through though because...as someone else above joked...appeasing those who "don't wish to be subjected to those storylines is way more important than denying other fans what they enjoy."
I hope I'm wrong of course and it'll be nice if TPTB prove me to be.
The Sam and Jack wedding, yeah, go for it, just remember to give us lots of warning so I can stop watching before the show is totally ruined for me, and I know full well I wouldn't be the only one. So if you want to lose a large portion of your fan base Joe, then go with the Sam and Jack wedding, I could do with freeing up some TV watching time. :o)
yabyumpan
yabyumpan said:
The Sam and Jack wedding, yeah, go for it, just remember to give us lots of warning so I can stop watching before the show is totally ruined for me, and I know full well I wouldn't be the only one. So if you want to lose a large portion of your fan base Joe, then go with the Sam and Jack wedding, I could do with freeing up some TV watching time.
Can you explain what you mean by a large portion of your fan base? Are you using the term to mean those people who spend time online?
And...this is what has always confused me. The Sam haters already hate Sam with a passion; want her off the show if they could arrange it. By extension, many of them are glad Jack is gone because that way they don't have to be subjected to S/J ship. No Jack/no ship. So, theoretically, if Jack retired and they did have a Sam/Jack wedding, why would it bother you (those Sam haters?) You don't have to see her do her "wide eyes" look at him; it probably wouldn't be mentioned again (because Lord knows the PTB don't want to mention Jack at all.) Shippers would get their "resolution" and you wouldn't have to be subjected to any S/J "nonsense" after that. Why on earth would THAT make you stop watching the show?
And come on.....as long as Daniel is on the show, you would continue to watch anyway. Maybe later Daniel and Vala can fall in love and you would get to see their wedding,
Miseree
"The Sam and Jack wedding, yeah, go for it, just remember to give us lots of warning so I can stop watching before the show is totally ruined for me, and I know full well I wouldn't be the only one. So if you want to lose a large portion of your fan base Joe, then go with the Sam and Jack wedding, I could do with freeing up some TV watching time. :o)
yabyumpan"
I'm a neutral fan when it comes to Jack/Sam ship so I'm curious why this element would make you want to quit watching? I mean it would hardly be changing the structure of the team or show so why should this one tiny thing mean so much?
I say let them get married so the shippers would be happy, and then this element and plot line would be in the back and the team wouldn't be effected at all. So why not?
Connie
//Connie said:
I say let them get married so the shippers would be happy, and then this element and plot line would be in the back and the team wouldn't be effected at all. So why not? //
Yeah, why not? Many Sam-haters also are glad dumb Jack is gone and are very very glad to have smart Mitchell who knows a hawk from a handsaw and listens to and respects Daniel. Why would you care if SuperSam marries dumb old Jack? You (those Sam haters) don't like either one anyway and it won't change the dynamics of the team. As for Sam ever bringing up Jack's name again, I agree with the poster who said fat chance of that. PTB want us to forget Jack and focus on Ben.
Jacklyn
yabyumpan said: "The Sam and Jack wedding, yeah, go for it, just remember to give us lots of warning so I can stop watching before the show is totally ruined for me, and I know full well I wouldn't be the only one. So if you want to lose a large portion of your fan base Joe, then go with the Sam and Jack wedding, I could do with freeing up some TV watching time. :o)"
I know how you feel - the Vala thing has caused me to stop watching so I would not blame you if you stopped over a wedding.
Donny
The truth is the shippers themselves would stop watching the show after a wedding. They'd get bored once they got their heart's desire; they'd move on to some new show to torment. It happens every time a show's TPTB give in on ship.
People ask why non-shippers would care if there is a wedding now. On the flip side, what would a likely off-screen wedding with no further mention of Jack do for the shippers that their imagination can't already do much better? What is with this need for official validation? Please, go write your fan fic like the rest of us.
People ask why non-shippers would care if there is a wedding now. On the flip side, what would a likely off-screen wedding with no further mention of Jack do for the shippers that their imagination can't already do much better? What is with this need for official validation? Please, go write your fan fic like the rest of us.
Don't want no stink'ng off-screen wedding. Want to see it onscreen. I've heard rumors that RDA is going to come back for that episode. Yup, that's what I've heard.
I have a novel idea, why don't we all go shoot some craps and the winner chooses where the storyline goes?
Ohh wait, the house won - let's leave it to them then huh? Because it is impossible for everyone to be happy all the time. Sorry to disappoint, ohh wait - no I'm not.
C'mon, a wedding? You're kidding right? Seriously it's a joke. It has to be.
i really never knew there were sam haters and danile haters, i mean come on its a tv show not the bloody truth people need to calm down.
Horror, hmm. Well a slightly different take on survival horror is "My Little Eye". I'd also say "Pin" (with David Hewlett in) is interesting, though more of a psychological thriller despite the trailers horror angle. If you want really bad B-movie horror, because they can be amusing when they get past a certain point and move into ridiculous bad, how about Anklebiters - dwarven vampires. As for actual recommendation, Ginger Snaps if you've not seen it already, and on the werewolf theme (if that's still horror) "American Werewolf in London" - it's a cult horror film here but not sure how well known it is across the pond...
Joe, how about Walter and McKay's sister get Married! no one would see that coming!
You could put it in an episode devoted to the SGC staff. Like Walter and the Scientist and Medics on just an average day in the SGC. Love to see that.
There seems to be this assumption that anti-J/S viewers are Sam-haters. Although I know there are a lot of people like that, there are also those of us out here who are anti-ship Samfans. Amazing but true.
I like Sam Carter a lot. I really enjoyed Space Race and for the most part Grace. I also happen to think that the whole S/J shippiness demeaned the character and took away the greater potential she could have had. I think she could once more be an exceptional character now that the ship has (hopefully for good) sunk and is no longer the focus of her character development.
{steph said i really never knew there were sam haters and danile haters, i mean come on its a tv show not the bloody truth people need to calm down.}
And you might want to stop telling people what to do or what they should think about the characters. Just because it's 'just a TV show' to you doesn't give you the right to tell people they can't have strong feelings about it or the characters.
come on ! it's a damn sci-fi show, not desesperate housewives. that idea of wedding is as silly as teal'c being in command of the base.
{After looking at an article in the latest TV Guide dealing with relationship between two of the series stars starting with the longest running, Gunsmoke's Matt and Kitty,}
You do know that the payoff for M/K shippers (if you will), after twenty years of UST is that Matt Dillon NEVER MARRIED Miss Kitty Russell.
Matt retired from being a US Marshall and married other women and had children with them. This was documented in several highly successful Gunsmoke movies that were made after the series ended (of course two of those movies were made after Amanda Blake died of cancer).
So are TPTB going to make two movies? One for Shippers and one for the rest of us?
While I like Sam Carter, if she has to be in some movie where the sole reason for her being there is for Sam to marry Jack, I wouldn't mind being offered the opportunity to have a movie to watch instead where Daniel, Mitchell, Teal'c and Vala are sent off on an exciting adventure through the Stargate by Gen. Landry.
{come on ! it's a damn sci-fi show, not desesperate housewives. that idea of wedding is as silly as teal'c being in command of the base. }
Teal'c is a highly trained military leader with over 80 years of experience at making command decisions and he was doing this when both Gen. Landry and Hammond were most liekly still cadets. Why would it be considered silly for him to lead a military operation.
And then, what else, an austrian actor for governor ?
US military would not accept an alien to govern a predominant base... you think the boss at area 51 is russian ? i was not commenting on abilities.
bad taste horror: bad taste, brain dead and reanimator.
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beyond the grave.
Jenny said:
"I love the idea of getting rid of Daniel (talk about someone who has overstayed their welcome)and then maybe they can jettison that tramp cliche Vala (talk about an actress that looks way older then her years - goodness gracious could she look any more weathered?) I was shocked to hear she is in her early 30s my guess was 43-45 range. Poor dear"
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I'm sorry, but I'm really getting sick of reading comments like these. Is it truly necessary to degrade someone with whom you've never come in contact like that in a public forum? It's quite obvious what you're trying to do. And, really, all it does is show a level of hatred that's both unwarranted and disturbing.
Miseree said
Can you explain what you mean by a large portion of your fan base? Are you using the term to mean those people who spend time online?
And...this is what has always confused me. The Sam haters already hate Sam with a passion; want her off the show if they could arrange it. By extension, many of them are glad Jack is gone because that way they don't have to be subjected to S/J ship. No Jack/no ship. So, theoretically, if Jack retired and they did have a Sam/Jack wedding, why would it bother you (those Sam haters?) You don't have to see her do her "wide eyes" look at him; it probably wouldn't be mentioned again (because Lord knows the PTB don't want to mention Jack at all.) Shippers would get their "resolution" and you wouldn't have to be subjected to any S/J "nonsense" after that. Why on earth would THAT make you stop watching the show?
And come on.....as long as Daniel is on the show, you would continue to watch anyway. Maybe later Daniel and Vala can fall in love and you would get to see their wedding,
By a large portion of the fanbase I mean most of the people I know on LiveJournal, quite a lot of what I see on line on general and about half of the people I know in RL who watch the show. No, not a particually scientific and un-biased bases for that statement but my impression is that there is a large portion of the fan base which dislikes the S/J ship and would be p***ed off if they ended up getting married.
Now, I'm not a Samhater, she was infact, one of the reasons I got into the show in the first place. Untill S7, Daniel was my least favorite character and has only really become my favorite (or most interesting) this season and up until the middle of last season, Jack was the one for me. Sorry to blow all you stereotypes out of the window. ;o)
As much as I dislike the S/J ship for many reasons, I could possibly stomach it happening if it was in a very low-key way i.e. Teal'c asking Sam how O'Neill is coping with retirement and Daniel asking how the honeymoon went. If that was the extent of it and it was never to be spoken of again then, as much as I would hate it, I could just fast-farward over that bit and move on.
It was the thought of a Sam and Jack wedding done as described above which caused such an exptreme reaction from me. Just..no...
Also, NO to a Daniel/Vala wedding.
And come on.....as long as Daniel is on the show, you would continue to watch anyway.
Actually, I'd pretty much given up on the show by the end of S8 and was prepared to move on. It was only reading about all the changes that I decided to give it another go and I'm glad i did.
yabyumpan
like sam-hate s/j ship said...
I like Sam Carter a lot. I really enjoyed Space Race and for the most part Grace. I also happen to think that the whole S/J shippiness demeaned the character and took away the greater potential she could have had. I think she could once more be an exceptional character now that the ship has (hopefully for good) sunk and is no longer the focus of her character development.
Oh and...what she/he (?) said :o)
yabyumpan
i mean, if a random goaul'd tags in during the wedding and kill o'neill, cool. if it's presented like the story above, that's gonna blow.
i mean, if a random goaul'd tags in during the wedding and kill o'neill, cool. if it's presented like the story above, that's gonna blow.
I vote yes on the wedding!
C'mon, Joe, this would be perfect for the 200th episode.
"And you might want to stop telling people what to do or what they should think about the characters. Just because it's 'just a TV show' to you doesn't give you the right to tell people they can't have strong feelings about it or the characters."
On the contrary. I have no problem with fans who have "strong feelings" about various characters. I've got an issue with the fans who have such "strong feelings" that they spew hatespeech toward actors and other fans. I have every right to tell them they've crossed the line into nasty fanaticism that poisons the overall fandom.
No rational shipper I've ever met wants a s/j wedding. The vast majority of us, and most "regular" fans just want to see Sam and Jack get to be happy. As the show and the characters have been written, Sam and Jack are happy when involved with each other. So, yes, I want the s/j ship resolved because I want all the characters to be happy, including Daniel and Teal'c.
Marrying Jack and Sam off?
Hmm. Interesting but I would think something best reserved for after the series finale...and furthermore offscreen. And heavens, nothing as cheesy as a gateroom wedding. I think they'd cringe at the notion and I would imagine that their relationship overall is significantly less conventional than most but would work for them.
It'd be fun to see her have a ring on her finger one day with little to no explanation...but with ZERO doubt as to who gave it to her and why.
Subtle is fine but sometimes TPTB can be positively obscure.
;)
No rational shipper I've ever met wants a s/j wedding.
So you're calling your fellow shippers in this discussion irrational? Hey, better you than me!
Sam and Jack are happy when involved with each other.
I've not seen that at all. I've see Sam looking needy and pitiful while Jack looks like he's eaten something that didn't agree with him. They don't seem comfortable or happy together unless they're working. I honestly don't believe they'd be happy together.
I think the wedding is a great idea for the 200th episode. It could be a great way to bring back some fan favorites. Jack could invite Hammond, Major Davis, Jonas, etc. and the regulars like Teal'c, Daniel, Siler, and Walter to his bachelor party where Vala would be the stripper. It would be a hoot to see Vala give Daniel a lapdance!
Picking up on the horror viewing theme, I think the best on-screen horror comes from a close and creative partnership between the writer, director, DOP and lead cast.
This type of partnership moves things from something that splatters to something that matters.
Films by contemporary masters in creating the "moment" - like M. Night Shyamalan and Peter Jackson - can generate that wonderful sense of foreboding and disquiet that engages the senses like a meerkat on speed, while still connecting you to the people at the heart of the horror.
IMHO I think the end of Avalon 2 generated exactly that sense of foreboding and memorable moment, creating a delicious anticipation of what was to come. Vala and Daniel walking into the unknown with the chillingly rendered "hallowed be the Ori" echoing behind them, was perfect perfect entertainment.
The oratory in the writing of many of Daniel's speeches in S9's opening arc was also enthralling - giving the audience a chance to both experience erudite writing for the genre, and see an actor with range having the opportunity to deliver a cheese-free performance.
More moments and experiences like that in S10 would be wonderful.
BTW: I often wonder how directors are matched to screenplays for SG1. Given the drivers of fast-turnaround TV, is it the luck of the roster, or do you have a chance to match script and director?
Ah, yes. The tendency to think you know everything about a person based on what character they like or don't like. They have people who like both Daniel and Sam. They have people who might like one and dislike the other, for reasons that have nothing to do with the character they like. I'm sure somewhere there's a viewer who can't stand either Daniel or Sam.
And, yes, it's possible to like Sam without liking the J/S ship. And, it's possible to like Daniel and still find fault with him. (BTW, I must be blind as a bat because I've seen many posts referring to him batting his eyes, and I just can't seem to see it)
I think this putting people in boxes is just another way of continuing the bickering.
Joe, please make 200th episode just good entertainment without any "special" ideas, 'cause with too many "brilliant" ideas it's gonna be total crap. And no wedding please.
I think Joe said that there wouldn't be a wedding in the 200th episode for anyone.
I'm pulling for a great team episode that really stretches the boundaries in coolness and fun.
And I'm pulling for a guest appearance by a certain Richard Dean Anderson if he's willing and interested.
And no...not just for shippy reasons.
I just need my Jack fix.
MB
that would be cool, unless it is only for romance, then it would suck.
Joe, just wanted to say how nice it is to have the opening theme back. They are very nice. The only thing wrong with them is the idiotic, cringeworthy focus on Mitchell at the beginning. It is simply sad that such a nonentity is getting so much of a push from you guys. He is, so far, the weakest member of the cast. That is only reinforced by Fourth Horseman 2. Aside from that, the credits are very nice. The constant Mitchell pushing really does grate, Joe. It grates. Now it's going to grate every week. There is just a bizarre line of thinking when it comes to Mitchell.
Hey Joe:
Two great shows tonight! The return of the credits was just what was needed to complete it. The credits were really done well,for both SG1 and Atlantis, with equal focus on each actor, and lots of cool scenes from precious shows. I really liked the presentation of each actor, really well done!
A well written show (SG1) with a good conclusion for the two-parter, but also a good set-up for the coming shows. Loved seeing Hammond back, it brought a little closure to his earlier departure in Season 7.
Great use for all the actors, and really loved the camraderie between Mitchell and Daniel, and a nice touch to bring the Sodan back into it. Lends a bit of continuity to the storyline.
All in all, a nice hour of entertainment, and looking forward to next week, and the rest of the season.
Lynn Starcher
Really? I thought that the Mitchell/Daniel dynamic was very forced considering the rest of the episode. It was just humor for humor's sake, not because it added to the story. And the scene with the prior and Landry was well done, but it was really ruined by Mitchell's inappropriate humor there. Not funny and not necessary. Chris Judge made the whole episode.
Terrence
Yay on a Sam+Jack wedding!!!!
Since Threads, I'm more into the idea of them getting together.
Anonymous said...
Joe, just wanted to say how nice it is to have the opening theme back. They are very nice. The only thing wrong with them is the idiotic, cringeworthy focus on Mitchell at the beginning. It is simply sad that such a nonentity is getting so much of a push from you guys. He is, so far, the weakest member of the cast. That is only reinforced by Fourth Horseman 2. Aside from that, the credits are very nice. The constant Mitchell pushing really does grate, Joe. It grates. Now it's going to grate every week. There is just a bizarre line of thinking when it comes to Mitchell.
I didn't like the Mitchell heavy opening credits either. Why is he given special services when the other cast members have been on way longer? How insulting to Tapping, Shanks and Judge.
I agree-tone down the Mitchell humor.
Screw tone down. Drop the bastard all together. Mitchell is the one thing that is really dragging down the show these days. It's like you guys write episodes, finish them, then go back and add stuff for Mitch to do. He doesn't fit, and he's just a real shitty way to try to replace RDA. And what's with the credits? Do you guys really think of BB as the "star" of the show? MS acted circles around him tonight, and MS barely had more than a grunt or mumble to work with. Although, Ben apparetnly gets his ass kicked well. Seems to be his thing. Get my ass kicked until someone from SG1, who's "watching his back" (lord knows he needs it), pulls him out of whatever jam he's in. The credits suck and so does Mitch, the source of everyone's displeasure with season nine. BB=bad stargate.
EmbarkationRoom
I have to agree with this pushing of Mitchell and BB it is a bad thing, bad PR tactic. The credits are a disservice to the 3 lead actors who have been through thick and thin with this show and have kept it alive for 9 years and Mitchell is like dead wood.
It does seem, as someone mentioned above, that it is as if the writers finish an ep and they say to themselves "ooops for all the pushing we are doing of Mitchell and BB we forgot to include him in the ep so let's just throw some stuff in there for him to do", mostly getting into trouble and snapping off one-liners to make up for lack of Jack and wala there you have Mitchell.
What exactly is he doing on the team - why is he there? I really did expect a lot more of him by now. Everyone can say oh it's only 11 episodes, give it time, but heck over half the season is now gone and the guy is pretty much useless (I saw someone refer to him as McUseless - fits nicely) except for "he's so funny - he gets some really good one-liners" or "love the banter" or "he does play the guy in peril well". There is absolutely nothing of subtsance to his character that I have seen in 11 episodes - he fills time and space, that's about it. Time and space that used to be used for subtsantive storytelling, now it seems to be more about how much fun can we have and how many one-liners and banter can we fit in. Goodness help us when Vala returns--42 minutes of shenanigans-gosh can't wait for that nonsense.
Carolann
You forgot the ever popular, "OOh my, does Ben look hot in that black outfit." Right now, the majority of people who seem to like Mitchell like him because he's played by a good looking actor. That's it. Yeah, a lot of substance there. Good job.
I don't know what the Mitchell-bashers are talking about. I loved him in TFH2 -- he was confident, calm, in command. I loved the Daniel and Mitchell banter. I'm surprised to see people questioning what use Mitchell fulfilled. He led the mission to disable the Prior, fcol!
I think some of you will never like him no matter what. Too bad; there's a lot there to enjoy if you can ever finish your Carter-wanking.
Just for those who don't seem to understand, you can dislike a character and how they are being used without making generalisations and being insulting to those who do like them.
Like Mitchell, hate him, indifference - whatever, people can have their own opinions and should have the right to air them without the cracks and insults. To them and to the actors. It's bad form.
Eh, the quips are getting old. It's like the writers don't know what else to do with Mitch besides have him make jokes.
Joe I have a suggestion to offer. Considering all the characters are hated or considered annoying in one way or another by that 'majority of fans', I think you should not have Mitchell, Sam, Daniel, Teal'c, Jack, Hammond, Landry, Lam, Fraiser - anyone on the show.
Actually, you probably shouldn't even have the stargate because its very presence may cause some intense feelings. How does writing a script about a gray room sound to you? Do you think you could film it and it be interesting enough to sustain an audience for 42 minutes?
Look at it this way, the 'majority' of fans would be very happy that the character that is somehow bad will no longer be on the show :).
I hate the stargate. It can't act its way out of a paper bag, and it's fat and ugly and too old. And those gaties who keep clamoring about it should shut up and go home. There are only 3 of them. The majority of the fans can't stand the stargate.
*this is parody, btw.*
WAAA!!! WAAA!!! OMG< RDA isn't on anymore!!! WAAA!! Whine, bitch, moan...
STFU and please, please, please, I'm BEGGING you, STOP WATCHING!!!!
This has been a public service announcment from People Sick of Pointless NetWhining.
You guys complain more than two old women. I wish Joe would lock the comment sections down. SG1 = Awesome - Atlantis = Awesome. Keep up the good work!
Who needs to say anything about RDA? Mitchell has enough flaws all on his own. He needs a character change or he needs to be dumped. Right now he acts like a frat boy with all those ridiculous lines. "Rock and roll, dude!"
Joe, about TFH pt. 2, OK episode, but one big request for the future - DON'T TELL US, SHOW US.
Any reason why Jack wasn't mentioned in last nights episodes??? By your admission he is head of Homeworld Security. It would make since as a man in that position he would have been in the thick of things making decisions at least in Washington (obviously not at the SGC since RDA wasn't on the show) But a mention of Jack and how he was involved would have made since, because it is directly related to his job.
Ann
Once again, if the show is so horrible, I offer you a solution you obviously haven't thought of - DON"T WATCH IT!!!
By watching it, you're sending the message that you enjoy it, and you wouldn't want that, now would you? And by posting your rants, er, I mean, contributing to the discussion here, you're also indicating your approval of the process.
Really, there's only one honorable course of action you can take...
To those who keep telling others who's opinions of the show differ from theirs to stop watching--- how about this advice ---
"SHUT-UP" and stop reading the blog if you don't like it.
"Sickofthewhinerswhorefusetoadmit differingopinionsexistand are allowedin this world"
I hope for Season 10 there's more military Sam like how she was in Emancipation. And hopefully Sam and Vala are friends and not rivals.
Happy New Year Joe!!
Wow. Those credits are rugged, Joe. I get that you guys are all fawning over BB, but the credits are awful! Look, I've been watching, and I've been giving him a chance, but perhaps if the guy could act a little better than the street mime on the corner of my block I'd feel his prominence is more justified. But right now, he just looks like a hack. His performances are really wooden. To put him above the three cast members who have been there all along is a travesty. And it makes me like Mitchell a whole lot less. You guys and BB have no class at all.
Aegir
How would you rate "The Fourth Horseman, Part 2?"
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There was some great piece of dialogues and acting and the directing was impeccable. very cool episode, the whole crew was great, special mention to Cristopher Judge, he owned. the kid wasn't good tho.
However, when orlin drops that red substance on the floor and someone press the alarm button, surely the automatic door should stay closed when he tries to leave the room ?
They wear these outfits and working on contagious agents, that looked weird. anyway...
where are the deleted scenes on sci-fi ?
can't find 'em.
where are the deleted scenes on sci-fi ?
can't find 'em.
Joe, about TFH pt. one big request for the future - DON'T TELL US, SHOW US.
Yes, I agree.
(parts I disagreed with snipped)
To those who keep telling others who's opinions of the show differ from theirs to stop watching--- how about this advice ---
"SHUT-UP" and stop reading the blog if you don't like it.
"Sickofthewhinerswhorefusetoadmit differingopinionsexistand are allowedin this world"
But, the point that's missing from your little equation here, is, why would you continue to watch something that you hate, or that no longer brings you pleasure? Unless you only get your plesure from complaining about things you dislike. In which case, I suggest you look inot affordable therapy in your area...
Perhaps their continuing to watch because they're waiting for that SG-1 feel to return, are disappointed they aren't sensing that special "thing" yet and are holding out hope that they'll feel that bond to their favorite show once again...
Anonymous said...
Once again, if the show is so horrible, I offer you a solution you obviously haven't thought of - DON"T WATCH IT!!!
i agree, with this, if you rele hate the dynamics of the show or of the actor just dont watch it, because people who do like it might not want to come on here and see all these horrible comments, yes everyones entiteld to their own opinion. but i dont think joe's blog was ment for that. if i was joe id take it off (sorry about spelling mistakes)
:)
i know people r gonna rele disagree with what i just said now :(
Just Like Me said...
"Perhaps their continuing to watch because they're waiting for that SG-1 feel to return, are disappointed they aren't sensing that special "thing" yet and are holding out hope that they'll feel that bond to their favorite show once again... \"
EXACTLY so all who tell me to stop watching SHUT-UP. I have invested years in watching this show since Season 1 and I have become invested in the 3 main characters (AT,MSand CJ) so I am waiting in the hopes that the REAL SG1 returns - I am losing hope rapidly but I am still hoping. I will watch until that hope is dimmed altogether so once again shut-up about why I watch - I am invested and I don't want to give up on the show just yet (I am close but not yet) but I am free to make any comments and criticisms I want to about a show that I once loved as I watch it die a slow and terrible and UNDESERVED death.
Why are you bashing BB? It's not his fault. He's just doing a job. Joe and the other writers didn't think that AT or MS could carry the show. So instead they hired the best actor nobody ever saw. If they'd only give him a chance he'd make everyone say "RDA who?" Stop waiting for things to be like they were. Ben and Claudia are Stargate now and I for one am glad that Joe has said as much himself. Stop watching if you don't like it. There's enough Scapers out there to fill your place.
Enough scapers ha - then how come you have no show, and BB and CB have been unemployed since their show went off????? They are lucky Stargate deigned to take them on.
Funny how everyone says, "Stop watching, if you don't like it," when things are going their way. Then, months later, when the pendulum has swung the other way, they're the ones whinging about how teh evil producers have insulted them over teh interweb and stuff.
Stoooopid!!1!!
yawn
farscape and firefly, despite being very different, have this common point of being the stupidest cancellation a channel ever made.
Actually, they were both very smart cancellations. Farscape failed to merit its outrageous production costs. It consisently failed to produce ratings, served as a poor lead in to SG-1, and henceforth, did not garner ad sales for the Scifi network. It's cancellation was a very sound business decision.
Firefly, while easily affordable for FOX, did not garner the viewership necessary to continue its production. FOX was able to replace the show with less expensive, more reliable programming that ended up bringing an equal amount of ratings. Again, all things being constant with regard to ad sales, FOX's cancellation of Firefly was sound business sense.
At the end of the day, both shows are miniscule blips on the tv radar. In ten years no one will remember or care about them. Syndication has no place for them, their fan groups are as small as any tv show's is. A strong internet following does not automatically equate with quality tv. Whedonites and Scapers are often in the same boat--descrying what never was, lamenting evil corporate execs, but ultimately not worth listening to.
Stargate, for all of the hatred critics seem to have for it, survives because it is a moneymaking franchise, not because of the support of critics or the overblown fame of its creator. TV is business. And Stargate is still good business.
Len
Joe, did any of you guys watch the final cut of The Hive? It was really bad. There were tons of plot holes and none of it really made much sense. None of it.
i still love the prisonner.
You omit DVD sales in your comments, and firefly, -which i enjoyed but wasn't fond of- has been in top of DVD sales on the net for the past years, the movie broke even at the cinema so some even moved there butts, and the dvd will probably sell extremely well. i just think it's silly to dispose of a serie after 11 episodes when it has so much potential. heck, stargate or farscape would have looked dull if they had been cancelled at that point.
farscape might not sell as much, but you must pay 6 episodes at the price of a stargate boxset, also a daily programmation a few years back in UK was highly successful in term of ratings, they simply didn't find their audience at the time they were programmed by Sci-Fi.
More than rating, some series have higher appreciation/ratings than others and it is just a bad idea not to take this into account.
and if you permit me, i like good sci-fi, that includes other series than stargate.
You can like whatever you want. But Farscape, in particular, is a ridiculous example of "network stupidity". It was producer stupidity that brought about that show's demise. Scifi offered Farscape a shortened fifth season, which the producers declined. Rather, they simply cut bait on their project. But instead of being mad at them for giving up on the show, fans are mad at Scifi for not footing the bill of a losing proposition.
And DVD sales don't factor because networks don't get any of that revenue. Scifi never sees dime one from DVD sales. All that goes to the studio and production company. Scifi is just the broadcaster. Rather than being thankful that they showed Farscape or Firefly at all, fans are irrationally mad that the network continues to do what is best for itself. A little perspective goes a long way.
Well, not all of us work for networks... ;)
i am telling you that from a customer standpoint it was lame to cancel both shows, the first because it didn't even began, and the second because it was almost damn finished and got canned after 4 years... i don't particularly give a monkey about who had the idea, it's the result i mind. if it's an evil producer, then be it.
Anonymous wrote:
Why are you bashing BB? It's not his fault. He's just doing a job. Joe and the other writers didn't think that AT or MS could carry the show. So instead they hired the best actor nobody ever saw. If they'd only give him a chance he'd make everyone say "RDA who?" Stop waiting for things to be like they were. Ben and Claudia are Stargate now and I for one am glad that Joe has said as much himself. Stop watching if you don't like it. There's enough Scapers out there to fill your place.
I could give BB as Mitchell all the chances he would ever want and there's no way he is ever going to make me say RDA/Jack who? And one reason is that the writing for Mitchell is very bad, IMO. He's as boring as watching paint dry. And yes, the witty quips such as "Rock and roll..the band's back together" makes him sound like a silly frat boy. I was hooked on Jack after just a few episodes (on all the characters). Mitchell still bores me to death after all this time. I do want to like him because I loved Ben on Farscape, but I can't do that if the writing stays as nondescript as it has been. I hope Ben as Mitchell can become a really memorable character in his own right, but he will never ever ever replace Jack for me (and I know for some others as well.)
Auggie
No, you're not getting it. You're not the customer. Advertisers are the customers. Where is the difficulty with this concept coming from? Your own personal viewpoint has nothing to do with the reality of the situation.
**Anonymous said...
No, you're not getting it. You're not the customer. Advertisers are the customers. Where is the difficulty with this concept coming from? Your own personal viewpoint has nothing to do with the reality of the situation.**
But aren't the ratings of the show what causes Advertisers to want to advertise their product on that show? The higher the ratings, the more advertisers want to advertise and the more they have to do pay to do so. (The Super Bowl for example.) If the viewing audience weren't still watching Stargate (and good ratings don't necessarily mean it's quality), the advertisers wouldn't care to advertise, right? So I would say the audience is the customer just as much as the advertisers are.
Well, I suppose if you want to look at things from our network friend's rather bleak point of view, then we (the viewers) are the 'product' that the networks are delivering to thier 'customers' (the advertisers), and the programming is merely the method by which they do so.
Really, though, it's a very winding and esoteric path to walk, merely to insult shows you don't like...
Reality is that it sucks when a story which you have followed is not concluded correctly, especially when you ended up suffering 15 minutes of adverts every hours whilst watching the damn thing. i prefer DVDs nowadays anyway.
i don't care about money, i'm talking about a story point of vue, you get that ? i do understand all you are saying, i'm not mr stoopid, but i don't really care about it.
Joe FANTASTIC episode in TFH pt2. Well done to you and Paul. Loved it.
Joe, I really am unimpressed with Fourth Horseman. It was booooring. You know why? Because Daniel was a nonentity. Because Sam was a babysitter. No one cares about Mitch or Hank. They're not interesting and they're not why people are tuning in. You really don't get what fans want, do you? SG-1 is the show. Go back and watch some of the previous seasons for a lesson in Stargate. Fargate is generic scifi dime a dozen tv formula cliche. Oooh, I know, add some CGI, that'll distract the kiddies. Hey it works on SGA.
Anyone notice that the Ben/Cam fans have become more militant recently? They must be worried after seeing that interview. Trepidation and reluctance seem to be the order of the day for BB.
Well ya know... Mitchell fans have a right to be a little militant considering how poorly many other fans treat them.
Honestly, like the guy, hate the guy - whatever... yours or my opinion isn't the only one the counts.
Add to that stop thinking of Mitchell as Jack's replacement, because he is not. Yes, he is filling a position; but Landry is actually filling the position left by Jack. But all in all they are different characters, with different styles etc.
They're not militant...they're whining. They can't stand that people don't like their Golden Boy Ben. How dare anyone be so bold as to criticize the god that is Ben? Don't we all know how he's a "proven lead"? Bullshit. Never heard of him before Stargate. They keep demanding that the great multitude of Browderites ARE replacing fans leaving the show. "THEY ARE DAMMIT." They put forth their idea of Browder as the be all end all of the universe as a fact and expect no one to disagree. They need to learn to be confident enough in their own opinions and not try convincing everyone else that Ben is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I think that Ben is relatively pedestrian actor doing a poor job in this role. Deal with it.
Geez, nice round of generalizations there. I wasn't even a Farscape viewer, in fact I was worried to hear they were bringing in a new lead. But here I am, enjoying Ben's performance very much. I find Mitchell likeable and fun to watch; I enjoy his obvious warmth toward the other characters. That's my honest feeling about him, and it is solely based on my viewing experience.
I'm so sick of fans not believing each other because they assume there is some hidden agenda driving all thought processes. It's just not true. Deal with that.
Joe, LOVED The Fourth Horseman 11. Loved it. Keep up the good work.
Do you like truffles btw? If so white or black?
Do you like truffles btw? If so white or black?
Oh, great, bring race into it. Like things weren't already uncivil enough...
(Sadly, I now feel the need to point out that that was a joke. A modest one, perhaps, but a non-serious statement nonetheless. Given how people tend to, ahem, interpret things 'round here I suddenly had a horrid vision of a multitude of indignant replies.... *g*)
Anonymous Said:
"Joe, I really am unimpressed with Fourth Horseman. It was booooring. You know why? Because Daniel was a nonentity. Because Sam was a babysitter. No one cares about Mitch or Hank. They're not interesting and they're not why people are tuning in. You really don't get what fans want, do you? SG-1 is the show. Go back and watch some of the previous seasons for a lesson in Stargate. Fargate is generic scifi dime a dozen tv formula cliche. Oooh, I know, add some CGI, that'll distract the kiddies. Hey it works on SGA."
This is sooo true, so accurate. Especially that the show has lost its uniqueness, it is now generic TV, and the likes of it can be seen on hundreds of channels daily.
Jean
Dee said: "Add to that stop thinking of Mitchell as Jack's replacement, because he is not. Yes, he is filling a position; but Landry is actually filling the position left by Jack. But all in all they are different characters, with different styles etc."
Read the articles and interviews with TPTB, all pre-season 9 stuff said that he was replacing RDA and replacing Jack as "leader" of SG1 thus the beginnings of the uproar about Carter should be leading. RCC was numero uno in there saying that BB was replacing RDA.
Argh.. If I was to take a new job, I would be filling to position left by the other person. While I may be sitting in their chair, doing a similar job it is impossible to 'replace' that person simply because I work differently.
Yes, BB was bought in as someone to take the position the RDA left in the show - yes if you want to you can say he 'replaced' him. Sure, it's almost accurate - but they are not playing the same characters, acting the same parts and therefore there is not 'replacement' there is just a filling of a position.
Ohh and, Jack hadn't been leader of SG-1 for a year... Mitchell couldn't have been replacing him.
Tell that to R. Cooper and all of the authors of all of the articles written pre-season 9.
The word replacement comes with conatations that fans run with. The authors of most articles are idiots, Rob Cooper said what is almost true...
But there is no replacement, and to keep on bringing it up is stupid. RDA left, Jack is gone. Ben and Beau are now on the show. Mitchell is there. Love him or hate him, he isn't going away and to bitch about it every 5 minutes is just - frustrating.
I understand people don't like Mitchell; but there is no need to be rude to thos who like him. It's pointless to continuely compair him to Jack...
You know, I don't care if anyone love or hates him - or any character; but you should respect your fellow fans, and show a little respect for the actors and TPTB - in the process you can show a little repect for yourself.
Damn dee, nice of you to do the lecture circuit. start your own blog rather than spamming thisone.
Damn dee, nice of you to do the lecture circuit. start your own blog rather than spamming thisone.
Oh I don't know. I'd rather read dee's comments than the the multitude of spam from the Sam fans who seem to think they are the only ones allowed to express an opinion of what they want here.
To Dee:
Direct Quote excerpt from the Sci-Fi Stargate site:
"But changes are coming to SG-1 as it begins its ninth year of fearless service to Earth. New faces are joining the team: Maj. Cameron Mitchell (Ben Browder) WILL TRY TO FILL THE VERY BIG SHOES OF FORMER SG-1 LEADER O'NEILL (who is now in charge in Homeworld Security), while Gen. Hank Landry (Beau Bridges) must adapt to the unique challenges of running Stargate Command, a posting unlike any other the military has to offer."
Please take your opinions directly to R. Cooper and the Sci-Fi channel if you really and truly believe that Mitchell/BB was not brought in to take O'Neill's/RDA's place.
Try to fill the shoes does not equate replacement... And considering Jack was the General of the facility; not the CO of SG-1, it's a moot point.
Actaully the whole thing is, why? Because Mitchell can't replace Jack for the simple reason they are 2 different people. This does not mean Mitchell is a bad addition, just means he's not Jack.
I did not say BB was not bought in the fill the position left by RDA - I was saying the use of the word replacement carries certain negative connintations that get fans up in arms. It's a language and understanding thing.
But the ending is still the same, Mitchell is not Jack and he is not leaving.
I personally think it would be nice for fans to stop compairing the 2, and start actually treating each other and the people that bring this show to life with respect. Really, that's all I kind of want to see.
Dee wrote:
I personally think it would be nice for fans to stop compairing the 2, and start actually treating each other and the people that bring this show to life with respect. Really, that's all I kind of want to see.
Give it a rest, Dee. You're not going to change anyone's opinions. If people want to compare Mitchell and Jack, I don't see why not. Or RDA and Browder. You're right, Mitchell isn't leaving. But that does not mean people *have* to like him or respect the character.
I don't dislike Mitchell because he's not Jack, I just find him so boring because he *is* Mitchell and yeah, I do think the way the character is written makes for a really bad addition.
Joe, what do you think when one of the GW moderators says this about TPTB and Scifi/MGM/Sony?
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Post by Skydiver, System Lord (Moderator)
Re: Sam's a great character - spoilers for *ALL* seasons
Quote: Originally Posted by SunKrux
Sadly for AT, it's still very much a "boy's club" so it seems to me they aren't going to want to focus on her, since she's not the "model" type of woman. You know...the waif thin model's that the media would like us all to think we should be like. [End Quote]
Skydiver replies:
yep. and she also 'inconvenienced' them by taking time for herself to have a baby. she put herself and her life first and that was all the excuse they needed to 'put her in her place'
and as to the boy's club, why else do you think it took her years to be allowed to direct while the boys got to direct or write much sooner? I sincerely doubt it was because they didn't think she could do it, it's because the guys take care of the guys.
scili doesn't give a fig about the fans. to them we're stupid mindless souls. they don't respect us or care about fans, or what fans want. they do what they want and just go on thier merry way
~~~
Interesting attitude by one the moderators here.
I never said like or respect the character - I suggested respecting other fans and those behind the characters... A tall order for many I do realise.
Anonymous said...
Joe, what do you think when one of the GW moderators says this about TPTB and Scifi/MGM/Sony?
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Post by Skydiver, System Lord (Moderator)
Re: Sam's a great character - spoilers for *ALL* seasons
Quote: Originally Posted by SunKrux
Sadly for AT, it's still very much a "boy's club" so it seems to me they aren't going to want to focus on her, since she's not the "model" type of woman. You know...the waif thin model's that the media would like us all to think we should be like. [End Quote]
Skydiver replies:
yep. and she also 'inconvenienced' them by taking time for herself to have a baby. she put herself and her life first and that was all the excuse they needed to 'put her in her place'
and as to the boy's club, why else do you think it took her years to be allowed to direct while the boys got to direct or write much sooner? I sincerely doubt it was because they didn't think she could do it, it's because the guys take care of the guys.
scili doesn't give a fig about the fans. to them we're stupid mindless souls. they don't respect us or care about fans, or what fans want. they do what they want and just go on thier merry way
~~~
Interesting attitude by one the moderators here.
It's definitely high time for TPTB/SciFi/MGM/SONY to take a closer look at GW forums, and especially at some of so called "moderators".
Not to derail all the whining and fighting, but; "The Hive" and "The Four Horsemen" were great! If this is a sign of things to come, I will enjoy the remaining episodes of the 'Gates. Keep up the good work, Joe!
Why should the GW moderators be told what they can and cannot say about the show or TPTB on an independent forum. GW is not run by Stargate/Sony/MGM/Bridge Studios or TPTB at any of those entities. It is a free world and a free forum and even moderators are permitted to give their opinions on the show and on TPTB, good and bad, just like everyone else. I do not know where this mightier than thou attitude comes from.
If the mods anywhere need to be reviewed and addressed about fairness in how the fans are treated it is at the official Sony Stargate forum which IS run by the studio that owns/owned rights to Stargate - that is the only place, along with Sci-fi and MGM boards, where the people at the show or at an entitiy that has anythigg to do with the show, have any control over who is a moderator and what they might, or might not be, allowed to say.
BTW if we are going to require all Stargate forums to have mods that say nothing but nicey, nicey all good and loving things about the show and it's people than perhaps Solutions and SDJ sites also need to be cleaned up in the moderator department.
Get a life about this Mod thing -- GW is an independent, free thinking, free speech forum.
Jean (No I am not Skydiver but I found your post about Skydiver offensive.)
Anonymous said...
It's definitely high time for TPTB/SciFi/MGM/SONY to take a closer look at GW forums, and especially at some of so called "moderators".
I'm sorry...is the implication supposed to be that because Skydiver is a moderator on the forum that she's not allowed to express her feelings personally?
What exactly do the collective PTB have to do with GW? It was and is a fan run forum and in no way shape or form answers to any of them.
And for the record, this forum kicks the "official" franchise forums butt all over the place on OH so many levels...one of them being the fact that GW has a much MUCH larger number of fans and MUCH wider range of fans with all kinds of interests...from proship, to nonship, to antiship, to multiship, to othership to what's-a-ship...posting here.
Another HUGE difference is that the mods here are very diverse people with very diverse interests.
So I ask again, are you implying that being a mod means that a person can't freely express his or her opinions even if they abide with the forum rules? If not why not? Because some fans may disagree and be offended?
I've seen mods speak out against ship. Does that mean they should shut up because fans like ship and are put off by a vocal mod who hates it? What about mods that love season 9 and rabidly support it? What about mods who are vocal in their dislike for the new set up?
There are mods who are on all sides of the major SG controversies...someone's bound to be miffed by something one of them says. But unless a mod sanctions someone who says or feels differently than that mod (as in, they're abiding by forum rules and still get slammed), then that mod is free to express how he or she feels and people are free to agree or disagree.
The day the moderators on this forum are not allowed to express their personal feelings as individuals is the day I'm closing my GW account...and I'm fairly certain I'm not alone in that sentiment.
Mary Beth
Hey Joe smoe! Have you noticed that most people here use the anonymous feature when commenting but on the Gary Jones blog it is the opposite and most use names and very few use anonymous! Interesting is it not?
Get a life, will ya. M&M episodes always suck! Ok, well except for 911. I will give ya a 8/10 for that one. :)~
Mary Beth said:::: I'm sorry...is the implication supposed to be that because Skydiver is a moderator on the forum that she's not allowed to express her feelings personally?::::
The whole concept of being a moderator is to be neutral - be even handed in your approach to that which you are moderating in public. Something that doesn't appear to be the case here.
How do you think people feel if a moderator says things like this in one thread, then tells them off or mods them or bans them in another for expressing their personal opinions? You are defending Skydiver's right to express her opinion here. Well what about other people’s right to express their opinions on GW? Skydiver gets to play it both ways in your scenario - she can express her opinion freely then mod/ban others for expressing theirs if she doesn't like it.
How would you feel if a different moderator said in another thread here on GW that the only reason Chris J didn't get more chances to write episodes was because of his skin color, then that same moderator turned around and modded you for saying that Amanda T didn't get the lead of the show because of her maternity leave?
GW prides it self on its links to MGM/Scifi and Bridge. Darren has been involved in the MGM newsletter; David visits the set and interviews the actors and crew. I doubt very much any of these groups would take too kindly to a moderator of this forum saying such borderline slanderous things about them on a public forum. You can say this is not slanderous, but the strong implication of those comments is that there is sexual discrimination being practiced at Bridge/Sony/Scifi. That is borderline slander.
You can't have it both ways and say GW is independent; then use muscle to garner favors and exclusives from the studios or actors or producers; and then turn around and publically slam them because you don't like what they are doing on the show.
You might not have a problem with it, but that just says a lot about your values.
Auntie Em! said...Hey Joe smoe! Have you noticed that most people here use the anonymous feature when commenting but on the Gary Jones blog it is the opposite and most use names and very few use anonymous! Interesting is it not? ~
Actually it is probably more because Gary Jones plays a recurring role on the show and has NO INFLUENCE over the direction of the show or episodes. Where as Joe does. So people anonymously posts abusive things here in the hope that they can influence him to write in favor of their favorite character/s.
You know Joe I really am disappointed. I used to love SG way more than is healthy, but this is just ridiculous. I haven't seen the last ep and sadly enough I don't really have any intention to do so. I'm beyond annoyed that there has been nothing on the show to Jack's whereabouts. Yes I know he left, and I could never fault him for wanting to spend time with his daughter, but what is the reason for not saying where he went? You or scifi or whoever is pulling the strings can't seriously expect that we just forget about him?
I did read a review about the ep, and I'm not judging the ep itself as I haven't seen it, but it seems there were a few perfect opportunities to say where Jack is, without having RDA to appear on screen or make the plot about him, just one sentence and an explanation. For the longest time I believed the explanation might have ended on the cutting room floor, or RDA wasn't available in the first few eps or TPTB not wanting to draw any attention, but to go back to my original thought, it's become ridiculous. What reason could you possibly have? I don't know it's reeking of spite and deliberation.
Paula
Moderators can have independant thought and inact it. All a moderator *has* to do is treat each person fairly and be sure they are following the rules.
Skydiver was annoyed, she posted what she felt. Does she feel the same way this second? I dunno. But I find it entertaining we are now moving on the flame people who aren't even posting on this blog. What, the people who already post here and disagree with individuals opinions isn't enough? We now have to bring is stuff from the forums?
Well, it really makes me wonder about fans today.
Yeah, me too. I mean, I'd like to find a place where I could actually talk about the show with other people who enjoy it. However, the responses here have convinced me that's not possible.
"The credits were really done well, for ... SG1 ... with equal focus on each actor...." -- lynn
Darn, I wish I'd gotten YOUR version of the credits! Woulda been better, at least.
Hey Joe! Happy New Year!
Reading the response to your blog is like walking through a cow pasture; one must wear boots and be careful where one steps and the smell, well, it clings.
I see some "fans" have commandeered and retain this space for use as their own private badminton court and are only to happy to flip that birdie back and forth with a vengence. It might be interesting if it weren't so redundant. Same players, same birdies, same score--less than zero.
The Fourth Horseman, Part 2 -- I enjoyed it. Loved the opening title sequence -- more Mitchell at last! Everyone had a decent part to play in this episode. The Jackson/Mitchell show--fun to watch. The actors play well off each other. I love that Mitchell has attitude, at least when dealing with the Ori's messengers. Chris Judge's performance with Garek in the memorial garden was A+. In fact, he was very good through the entire episode. Orlin was played by a child so I won't say more, but Tapping held up her end. The scene between Lam and Landry was touching but would have been alot more effective if it had been staged with more discretion. The action moved along quickly for me and I enjoyed this episode the most so far this season. Looking forward to more Mitchell next week.
Zelda
sigh said...
Yeah, me too. I mean, I'd like to find a place where I could actually talk about the show with other people who enjoy it. However, the responses here have convinced me that's not possible.
GW is not the only Stargate board. There 're several others, much more positive. Do a Google and you'll find much friendlier places to discuss the show with people WHO ENJOY IT.
To the person who has a problem with Skydiver having an opinion:
Your services are not needed here GW is very open and pretty even-handed when it comes to what is allowed and how mods behave. Your services in the defense of TPTB, the actors and the show in general are more needed at the Sony forum (a forum that is atcullay run by a studio that has a say in the show itself) which is an utter disgrace.
Why don't you mosey on over to Sony's boards clean up their moderators and their crap and let us know how that works for you, and your oh-so high and mighty "values" - okay.
Jean
In the playground mentality of "I'm better than you are, nah, nah, nah," it may be impossible for children to separate their own opinions from a responsibility to do a job. However, Skydiver is a mature adult, and I have seen her separate her personal opinions from her moderator job duties in order to squelch the bashing of actors and remind people of GW rules of conduct. In this particular thread - where she often voices her own opinions (and those of us who post there regularly know it's a place where she likes to hang out as a fan) - she does it by telling us that she's "putting on her mod hat," so we know very clearly when she's acting as a mod and when she's expressing her own opinion in a place where it is unlikely to stir controversy.
Personlly, I'm glad the mods at Gateworld are allowed to play and post as well as moderate, and I believe they do an admirable job of balancing the two. After all, they're fans, too, and they're volunteering their time to do it. If one fails their duty because they're too chummy with a particular thread, another mod will no doubt step in. If such were not the case, there would be far fewer people who used the GW forum. Kudos to Darren and the whole crew.
Cheers,
Strix varia
Stepping in to the fray here. I've been a moderator on GW for a few years now, and was Forum Manager before Skydiver took over the rather thankless job.
No person on GW is ever moderated for expressing an opinion. We have a set of rules, the most important and rigorously enforced one being no negative personal comments about cast, crew and other posters. Darren, the forum owner, is keen for all the moderators to express their own opinions on the forum and to post as they would normally. Yes we have to be more circumspect than other posters but we still get to express our own opinions. Sky is welcome to say what she likes about how the crew and TPTB do their jobs, as long as she doesn't start calling them names :-)
Darren chose the mods to reflect the broader fandom. I'm a Danielite, other mods are shippers, anti shippers, slashers, gen. The one thing we have in common is that we all believe in what Darren has tried to achieve with GW and in the way it is run. In fact, when it came to choosing the mods when Sky joined the team, it was me who suggested her.
I've known Sky since I first joined the fandom and GW (Starguide as it was then), and on GW I've never known her to be anything but fair. We've had plenty of disagreements, but they've always been good debates and never on a personal level.
Sure the mods at GW might not all be as objective as we need to be - we're only human. But we discuss all moderations, and we use each other as a check and balance.
But that's as far as I'm going to go in defending the way GW is run. And I'm not sure why I'm bothering given that the person levelling the accusations isn't even willing to own up to them.
As for TBTP/MGM/Sony etc, well nearly all the folks in charge have mentioned coming to GW at one time or another, and it's been said by existing crew that new members are directed to GW. So I'm guessing that not only are they fully aware of how the forum is moderated, they're also quite happy with the way it is run.
>>sigh said...
Yeah, me too. I mean, I'd like to find a place where I could actually talk about the show with other people who enjoy it. However, the responses here have convinced me that's not possible.
GW is not the only Stargate board. There 're several others, much more positive. Do a Google and you'll find much friendlier places to discuss the show with people WHO ENJOY IT. <<
These are just the unmoderated comments to Joe's post. If someone wants to see what GW Forum is actually like, they should click on the Forum link at the top of the web page, and come see.
Joe, if you want an example of great dialog, massive tension, and layered characters, please watch the new episode of Battlestar. I know SG will never be that 'dark' but still...
TFH2 was so on-the-nose and at times ponderous, I could guess what the next line of dialog would be in any given scene. Luckily you had the series regulars and Don to sell their lines or it would have been a disaster.
The characters and overall arc of the show are great, but there needs to be more care taken with the moments that make up an episode, so that they don't just check a box in service to the plot.
Just my opinion, of course.
Anonymous said:
GW is not the only Stargate board. There 're several others, much more positive. Do a Google and you'll find much friendlier places to discuss the show with people WHO ENJOY IT.
FCOL-- ALL discussion boards have a bias -- all of them. It's inherent in online fandom. The vast majority of people who post on these forums, play on them, have very definite opinions as to what they like, which characters they love, want to see and which they don't wnt to see. Most of them are NOT unbiased or gernerally indifferent. If there were, they would be the rest of the viewing audience and not take the time to post.
No members at any forum loves the show all the time; only parts of it. For instance, many fans at OS were unhappy for several years because they felt the show shortchanged Daniel/MS. Now they are happier because they feel Daniel is being given more screentime (a la Vala even more.) Most of the people there (most, not all), hated S/J and now that it's gone, they are happier, but still dislike Sam very much.
If S10 focuses too much on Vala and not on Daniel, the Danielites will then be unhappy. If there isn't enough Mitchell, those fans will be unhappy. If there's too much Sam, the anti-Sammers will be unhappy. The tide turns depending on whether onlines are getting enough of their fix of what "they" want.
To the person who posted the bit about Skydiver:
You are so very transparent. Your attempts to stir up trouble really backfired in your face and simply highlighted shows your level of immaturity and pettiness.
Now that you've sufficiently embarrassed yourself again.....
FCOL-- ALL discussion boards have a bias -- all of them. It's inherent in online fandom.
The difference is GW is the defacto official web site and forum of the shows, with access to the production far beyond what any other "fan" site has. It gained that access by dint of hard work and, let's face it, by toeing the party line up until this year.
Therefore it is fair to ask Joe and others if they're aware of everything that goes on at GW, this 'fan' site to which they contribute so much content. Joe himself has questioned at least one headline and one poll posted to GW this year.
The fact is, moderators are viewed as spokespeople for a forum, whether they're wearing their 'mod hat' or not.
LOL so GW has toed a 'party line' up till this year? What you mean we've never in the past criticised any of TPTB on the show? Hmmm I must have imagined those posts I made, including a thread I started once called A Message to TPTB that deeply criticised some of the story arcs on the show :-)
not convinced said...
The difference is GW is the defacto official web site and forum of the shows, with access to the production far beyond what any other "fan" site has. It gained that access by dint of hard work and, let's face it, by toeing the party line up until this year.
Therefore it is fair to ask Joe and others if they're aware of everything that goes on at GW, this 'fan' site to which they contribute so much content. Joe himself has questioned at least one headline and one poll posted to GW this year.
The fact is, moderators are viewed as spokespeople for a forum, whether they're wearing their 'mod hat' or not.
So, the intent of the original poster then, was to alert Joe to the reality that a mod at GW was expressing an opinion that Joe might not like or is contrary to party line? For what possible reason? So Joe would read it, get upset and therefore deny access to the production of any member of GW? Or perhaps he would work to get that particular Mod removed because he doesn't like what she said? Do you honestly think Joe and Company or Sony or whomever would do that? While Stargate is a money making enterprise and some people take it very seriously, it is NOT meaning of life stuff, for goodness sake and this isn't Nazi Germany.
No, the fact is, moderators are *not* viewed by everyone as spokespeople for a forum. If that were a fact, there would be no disagreement about it. My intrepretation has always been that mods are there to keep people from getting out of line with nasty personal comments toward other posters, toward the actors and to generally try to maintain some sense of order.
The original poster's remarks just sounded very juvenile and in very poor taste, IMO.
Gategypsy said:
No person on GW is ever moderated for expressing an opinion.
Don't make me laugh GG. It happens every time Skydiver sees something she doesn't like.
Anonymous said...
Gategypsy said:
No person on GW is ever moderated for expressing an opinion.
Don't make me laugh GG. It happens every time Skydiver sees something she doesn't like.
Precisely. And it's enough to read her full of vitriol and poisonous posts in Anti-season 9 and anti-season 10 threads. "Congratulations" to AT having fans of this kind.
Joe,
That crazed half-Italian is back again, saying with the comments regarding Skydiver--
Life again is imitating art.
LaCroix
Anonymous said:
Don't make me laugh GG. It happens every time Skydiver sees something she doesn't like.
If that were true, then there wouldn't be any pro-S9 or pro S10 threads allowed, would there? Or any anti S-J threads?
It's quite funny actually. I'm no S/J shipper; I find it completely boring. I've said as much many times on GW and not once have I been modded for my opinions.
But here's thing. I don't go into the "Sam is a Great Character" thread and start spewing forth anti-Sam rhetoric. That would merit a comment from a mod and rightly so.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but that's what it is an opinion.
**Anoynmous wrote:
Precisely. And it's enough to read her full of vitriol and poisonous posts in Anti-season 9 and anti-season 10 threads. "Congratulations" to AT having fans of this kind.**
And that's why they are called the "Anti-Season 9" and Anti-Season 10" threads. So anyone -- anyone -- who feels S9 and S10 are a waste, can voice their opinions. I don't care how many mods post in there as long as they don't keep me from expressing my opinions in the Pro-Season 9 and 10 threads. And not a one ever has - in over 2 years of lurking, reading and posting, I've never seen a mod stop someone from expressing an opinion different from theirs (except when it comes to the rules of the forum).
All these anonymous people posting crap about Skydiver are cowards. Post your real user names and take responsibility for your words or shut the hell up.
Better yet, all you little trolls should go back to Sony forum. They're already having a ball bashing GW and the mods. Too bad it had to bleed over here.
Boy --- you want to start the AT versus Daniel fan thing again - take your black kettle over to Sony and Solutions and SDJ and read the type of things Daniel fans have to say. That group of Danny Ranters are the worst type of fan and give their "favorite actors" fanbase a bad name (start with the big "K" and work your way down. Please get off this crap; everyone knows that the pack of Daniel lovers who are simply over the top are the worst sort of fan there is.
andanother thing - Sony mods feel it is necessary to ban anyone who is even the least little bit critical of Daniel or Vala or the obnoxious fans that post there. Talk about one way street on a Forum - if you do not love Danny and Vala and their stupid, immature crap you get modded --- they are well and truly the worst mods on any forum I have ever visited and the fans that do a majority of the nasty, vitirolic, immature posting at Sony are an embarrasment ot MS and CB and their characters. I feel sorry for actors that have fans like those nuts.
Vincent (same as above post but forgot to put my name) and yeah - all the cowards dissing Skydiver and Gateworld get a life if you do not even have the courage to put your name shut up and stay in your Sony playground with your bretheren. We all here at the Blog and at GW, as well as at all other truly open and unbiased forums would welcome your disappearance because you are bores.
Hey Joe you want a real site and not this place try and google sg1archive and see what happens. Come to this site and see the love of Stargate that is free and fun and well managed. Come look as a guest and no one will know it is you.
Out of curiousity I just visited sg1 archive and I see on the threads there a lot of the same types of comments I see at Gateworld. There is no unmitigated love of all things Stargate. I see criticisms there just as I see criticisms at Gateworld and I see positive things there just as I see positive things at Gateworld. Nothing new or different about that forum.
Joey K.
Joe, why is Mitchell still listed as a Major at the Official Site at Sci-Fi? Is it because he was always supposed to be a Major, you know, M.M.? That is, until you guys got bitch-slapped by Skiffy and Ben's ego.
if i were a ptb, i'd want to get feedback on my show. positive AND negative. i'd also want to see a forum where ppl were given the right to post their said opinions; not that of a hive mind because of the preferences of the mods/creators of the forum.
there's a multitude of different mods at gateworld, all allowed to post their 'real' feelings and thoughts on things. as long as they (like regular fans) don't cross over to viciously insulting the actors and/or the ptb, they can 'play' on the forum. skydiver as a mod 'and' fan hasn't broke any rules.
i've been on this forum for years. this is the first season that i've seen so many ppl complaining about the show. the things that ppl are complaining about aren't just wedged into any particular fan interest section either. that says something.
i'm not liking the changes for the show this season. i keep watching (and using my right to voice my opinion) in the hope that the show will return to what i once loved. i'm not sure what will make me finally quit watching (and hoping), but i haven't reached that point. yet. and the thing is, i *don't* want to reach that point. if i quit this show, i'm not just losing a tv show to watch, i'm losing a 9 year relationship of a fantastic journey.
so i say to the ptb: please repair the damage. and since i think the things i'm complaining about are some of the same things other fans are complaining about... it's more than just one fans' preferences and desires. please don't focus on your 'new' things over the old. it's the old that made this show the almost decade long success that it is.
just my opinion, which gateworld allows *and* advocates.
sally :)
Ben's ego is not that big. Hey, it fits through the gate, what more do you want? Of course, it DOES just barely fit. I mean, have you seen the new credits? Apparently he's a legend in his own mind.
majorsal: I see your points, but I don't see the part where the show needs a quick fix. I still love it in it's new incarnation as I did its old. It's a different kind of love (you know, you love your old dog and he dies, so you get another. You don't love the new dog any less or the old one anymore - they are just different.)
Sure a few very minor things need to be addressed. But like you I don't see it as irredeemable, and even if the minor things aren't addressed it isn't going to adversely affect my enjoyment of it.
But all in all, people are able to voice their opinions. That's what's great. It would be greater if people could voice their opinions without the insults and personal jabs though.
Honestly, it still boils down to this though. Some people will love it, some will hate it. We should respect one anothers opinions.
Joe, why is Mitchell still listed as a Major at the Official Site at Sci-Fi? Is it because he was always supposed to be a Major, you know, M.M.? That is, until you guys got bitch-slapped by Skiffy and Ben's ego.
Wow, they do call him Major Mitchell! I guess he was originally intended to be a Major. Hey Joe, why the change? Were you guys pressured into putting "the male" into the lead? The first 10 episodes certainly play as though he was supposed to be a Major. It also makes sense as to why Ben is playing him to be so weak and unassuming.
I think the character would have been better recieved if he was a Major. I guess that's what you guys thought too. Right now I think the character doesn't stand much of a chance, primarily because of the whole Lt. Col./co-command mess. He just doesn't make sense playing the role he is.
Kevin
Joe - 11 episodes in and a ton of pimping of the character, pre-season right through to now, and it still isn't being bought by a large nunber of fans, from MANY different walks of Stargate fandom, that Mitchell should not be the leader or co-leader of this SG1 team at this point.
Do you, the other PTB and those nuts in the suits who seem to yanking your (the collective PTB at Bridge) chains these days get that yet?
Justin
loved episode 11. Love SG1 even more than before. however i must warn you, if you keep talking about omelettes i will be forced to quit watching the show, and this would end a 9 years old love story. never -ever- again put avocados in an omelette.
thank you.
loved episode 11. Love SG1 even more than before. however i must warn you, if you keep talking about omelettes i will be forced to quit watching the show, and this would end a 9 years old love story. never -ever- again put avocados in an omelette.
thank you.
Nice to see the shippers have continued their excellent work in making themselves look like card carrying members of the Monster Raving Loony Party. Sam and Jack weddding? Publicity? Barbara Walters? Bwahahahahaha! The mainstream media hadn't even noticed SG1 existed until Claudia Black did her guest role last year, do you really think they're going to have any interest in covering a trumped up non story about geriatric lurve? And have you seen how dumpy AT looks in her Class As these days? She looked like a big, blue sausage standing beside CEO Barbie in EDM. Great look at the wedding that would be! Oh, you guys are soooo funny. And you want people to believe shippers aren't all psycho? Good luck with that. ;)
max
a rose by any other name
Darren chose the mods to reflect the broader fandom. I'm a Danielite, other mods are shippers, anti shippers, slashers, gen.
Ah, yes gategypsy the token 'Danielite' mod. (You do realize no one actually uses that term any more except it's detractors, don't you? Giving yourself away there!) You're the worst of the lot of them. Either you are so utterly bereft of integrity that you have valued your position as a moderator on this charming site more than you care about the way a character and an actor you claim to admire have been bashed, trashed and defamed on this site for so long or you just pretend to be a 'Danielite' (what a blast from the past, I haven't heard that term in years!) because that was the only 'token' slot still available when you joined this band of happy little slanderers. It's hard to decide which one is more despicable.
Wow if I'd known the word Danielite would offend you so much I'd use it more often.
Danielite Danielite Danielite Danielite Danielite Danielite
I'll let MC know that she wasn't really a Daniel fan and Slasher when she became a mod on GW (a couple of years before I did).
Bad Mods
Bad Mods
Watchya gonna do when we stomp on you
Bad Mods!
And hey, I'm a blast from the past myself. Unashamadly geriatric in this fandom - I've been a member since 2000. Six years! In cyber years that's a few centuries.
{And hey, I'm a blast from the past myself. Unashamadly geriatric in this fandom - I've been a member since 2000. Six years! In cyber years that's a few centuries.}
I've been watching the show and coming on the internet to discuss it since the very first day it aired on Showtime, 9 years ago.
Wow I should be an ascended ancient by now LOL!
{And have you seen how dumpy AT looks in her Class As these days? She looked like a big, blue sausage standing beside CEO Barbie in EDM. Great look at the wedding that would be! }
Excuse me, but Amanda Tapping just had a baby and I thought she looked awesome and was very brave to let herself be seen as not some rail thin anorexic waif. I had and continue to have the same respect for and admiration for Lexa Doig for coming back to work and not trying to hide the fact that she had just had a baby.
Phooy on all these actresses who have babies and then nearly kill themselves trying to get that anorexic look back as quick as they can. They send out the wrong message to women everywhere.
Give me Amanda and Lexa any day who are not afraid to show the world they had a baby and it changed the way they looked for a bit. In fact both AT and LD looked radiant.
gategypsy, how dare you encourage critical thought and tolerance toward other opinions on GW! Why don't you crack down on all those posters that don't worship Daniel? You're not a true Daniel fan!
Best give up your mod position on GW and head on over to those true Daniel fan forums! They encourage other opinions, just as long as your posts start and end with gushing praise for Daniel Jackson.
I find it truly amazing and laughable that the Danny Ranter fans have the gall to come here and claim offense at the treatment Daniel and MS receive at the hands of the mods at GW and posters at GW (and to do it in the cowards fashion using the anonymous tag. You so-called Daniel fans (the Danny ranters) are embarrasing yourselves (and your favorite actor) in light of the absolute nonsense you spew about other actors/actresses and characters on Stargate.
You are hypocrites to the Nth degree and each and everyone of you should be ashamed, however based on your behaviour I doubt you would know that. Perhaps you might be beter off running for political office. That is more the sector of society where fools like yourselves belong. Blow-hards full of hot air and hypocrisy.
If you Danny Ranters did not embarass yourselves and show yourselves to be the childish, immature, petulant brats that you are with your nasty comments maybe others would show you some respect and patience. You bring on intolerance with your childish antics and your nasty behaviour.
Bev
I do find it amusing when people complain about a forum because it is run the way it says it will be run!
I don't have time to go to other forums these days but I used to frequent OS. That had a statement on the front that it was a Daniel Friendly place, but people still complained because they didn't allow criticism of Daniel. Duh huh!
Gateworld doesn't have any rules about fictional characters. If someone is fictional you can say what you like. Tealc is a poopypants would be allowed, for example! And hey, for all I know he is, but I'm assuming he's toilet trained now.
Sure I'll go around and disagree with someone if they say bad stuff about Daniel - he is my favourite character after all. But sheesh, how super human would I have to be to keep up with every post and post a rebuttle to every anti Daniel statement!
Hmmmm actually it would be kinda cool to have that sort of super power. To be all knowing and all seeing... then no-one could stop me, cyberworld would be mine, mwah ha ha ha.
Can I say TWTID or am I showing my age there too?
Whoa up there Bev a bit. I am sure that you feel you're justified in what you say, and that you have a specific person or persons in mind when you say it. But I've been in the fandom long enough to know that while you might mean a specific group or person when you say Danny Ranters, most people are simply going to read things like that as applied to all Daniel Fans.
Back when we had the 'big' fandom wars, many a Daniel Fan was beaten about on the basis that they were Daniel Fans and therefore deserved it because they or friends of theirs had been treated badly by some Daniel Fans, therefore all Daniel Fans were bad etc etc. Never mind that those poor souls had done nothing.
So let's lose the derogatory labels eh? No more Danny Ranters, or Toes or whatever else people have thought up. It doesn't do the fandom any favours :-)
Er, and sorry Joe for co-opting your blog comments thread like this!
{You so-called Daniel fans (the Danny ranters) are embarrasing yourselves (and your favorite actor)}
I'm sorry, but can you please point us to a specific comment from Michael Shanks that supports this idea that fans are embarrassing him personally.(or was this something he told you personally and gave you permission to repeat, which I highly doubt he did)
If you can't do that, then please have the decency NOT to speak for him about any fans of the show. Don't try to make it sound like an actor agree with your perspective especially when there is no proof to be had.
Have your own opinion about different types of fans, well that's your right, but SPEAKING for another person, especially one of the actors is not. Michael Shanks is a grown man, he can speak for himself and if fans ever do embarrass him, I've no doubt he will speak up about it.
Dear gategypsy, so sorry to have upset you by suggesting that you should be aware of what goes in the forum you supposedly moderate.
It's not so much complaining, because you're right - GW's reputation as a Daniel and MS unfriendly place well precedes it, it's more contemplating the morality of someone who either says one thing and believes another or just pretends to be what they're not. (You choose, I have my answer.)
{“Anonymous said...
……
Sam and Jack weddding? Publicity? Barbara Walters? Bwahahahahaha! The mainstream media hadn't even noticed SG1 existed until Claudia Black did her guest role last year, do you really think they're going to have any interest in covering a trumped up non story about geriatric lurve?”}
If you really believe that, you should probably add more publications to your reading list. Start with the New York Times (…From Sci-Fi.com.. “Amanda Tapping has made the New York Times. The January 1st, 2006 issue (even though it's still December 31st)”).
Re Barbara Walters.. As I envisioned it (when I wrote the wedding post) the show would not be about “geriatric lurve”.. It would be about “the working woman and marriage” as seen from fact and fiction. It would have three guests:
1. Sam – longest running sci fi show based relationship since Xfiles with the relationship coming to closure in the upcoming wedding show.
2. Margaret Coel – Author of the “The Wind River Reservation” mystery series (eleven since 1995) whose two main characters careers will never let them find closure.
3. Maureen Dowd – Author of “Are Men Necessary” and Op-Ed columnist for the NY Times would add the “real life” part to the discussion.
{“Anonymous said...
And have you seen how dumpy AT looks in her Class As these days? She looked like a big, blue sausage standing beside CEO Barbie in EDM. Great look at the wedding that would be!
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max”}
While I didn’t particularly care for the way they used the Sam character in the Atlantis episode “Grace Under Pressure” I think, when you watch it, all of those “dumpy” thoughts you have will vanish. Also, if you reread my wedding post, Sam would be wearing an Air Force formal dress uniform and not a wedding dress. In this episode the most import part is what they say and not how they look.
Dear gategypsy, so sorry to have upset you by suggesting that you should be aware of what goes in the forum you supposedly moderate.
It's not so much complaining, because you're right - GW's reputation as a Daniel and MS unfriendly place well precedes it, it's more contemplating the morality of someone who either says one thing and believes another or just pretends to be what they're not. (You choose, I have my answer.)
woo hoo nice one! I've entered a parrallel universe or else you're in one. I'd love to meet this gategypsy you talk about. Still, you should post on that AU thread since you're replying to stuff that hasn't been said here. Confusing for everyone.
"It's not so much complaining, because you're right - GW's reputation as a Daniel and MS unfriendly place well precedes it, it's more contemplating the morality of someone who either says one thing and believes another or just pretends to be what they're not. (You choose, I have my answer.)"
If by "a Daniel and MS unfriendly place" you mean "a place where some people don't think Daniel is the bestest character ever or worship at the MS shrine" then I'll agree with you. I've seen people on GW who worship Daniel, people who like Daniel, people who are neutral about Daniel, and people who dislike Daniel. Thank goodness for a non-homogenous forum! Gushing praise for one character all the time is incredibly boring.
It's always amusing to see people attack others personally yet hide behind the anonymous tag. Are they really that ashamed of what they type?
Wow... I go away for a few day and the blog explodes into the same old character wars.
Jack vs. Cameron! Daniel vs. Sam!
Really though, I must LOL at the fact that Cameron was, and still is, called a "Major" on the Sci Fi site. Oopsies! Heh heh... ;) How'd we miss that, anyway? Sheesh.
And I also have to laugh at the fact that journalists and fans consider Cameron to be a replacement for Jack. Did Season 8 not happen or something? It's like everyone's come to terms with the fact that Sam wasn't really given the chance to lead very much last year (so her time in grade should therefore be disregarded in all articles concerning the subject), and that Cameron isn't so much a replacement for the most recent, official team leader (yes, the woman ), but for the male lead who, they assume, carried the show for the duration of his stay. Oy. And for those who disagree with this line of thinking, don't use the old, "Fem-bot" argument. To be honest, I would've taken the Old School SG-1 over Progressive Air Force doctrine, even if that meant that Sam had to wait until Season Twelve to lead SG-1... But, since that's not possible anymore, I'd take Sam's experience over a n00b (a really nice guy, but not experienced enough for the job) anyday.
I'm a big Jack fan, I don't think Ben Browder has as big of an ego as people suggest (certainly no more than any OTHER actor), I really like Claudia Black, I love Teal'c, and I think Daniel is the shiz-it, but this Lead Male Mentality really kills me. Why, oh WHY couldn't the show have been left to the leading and experienced hands of Shanks, Judge and Tapping?
Oh, and I agree with inflammation... This anonymity thing (no matter who your fave is) is getting REALLY pathetic... If you're going to insult a mod or critique a forum or site, try doing a little INVESTIGATING before you publish your findings. I find that you make a LOT more sense that way.
He's a major according to Scifi? Well if that don't beat all. I agree with Spaz, things have kind of turned into a disaster. The show should have stuck with the three man team and remained somewhat recognizable as SG1. Or it should have changed the name and actually become a new show. This "New SG1" starring BB and BB really blows comparatively. And so far neither of them has been very convincing or comfortable acting wise. Basically, I'm sick of tuning in to see Daniel and Teal'c and Sam, but getting stuck with Vala and Cam and Hank and Lam. I don't care about them, and shafting the characters I do care about for their sake ain't doing them any favors either. Can Mitchell, get Jack back. Can Landry, get Hammond back. Pick up the pieces and try making the show people have tuned in for a decade to watch, cause this one isn't in the same league.
Hewlettisagod
Anonymous wrote:
Have your own opinion about different types of fans, well that's your right, but SPEAKING for another person, especially one of the actors is not. Michael Shanks is a grown man, he can speak for himself and if fans ever do embarrass him, I've no doubt he will speak up about it.
Give me a break. IMO, if the guy had any integrity, he would have told his fans way back in S6 thanks for all your support, but no thanks. I left the show and it's time for me to move on to other things. (Considering he's the next Sir Laurence Olivier for many Danny ranters, it should not have been difficult for the guy to get a job.) Why would the guy speak out against a bunch of fanatics who (I do believe) helped him get his job back. And going to all these cons (for which he gets paid) and having the women worship and swoon over him probably helps the already huge ego.
Speak up about it like he spoke up and whined about how he was treated on the show in all those interviews he gave? I doubt it. It just amazes me that the D Rantes see MS as some kind of God; it's pathetic.
Dizzy Rose
So let me get this straight...you can't actually be a fan of a character, a TRUE fan, if you allow people to say bad things about said character? I wish somebody had sent me that memo. I must not like Sam then.
It bugs the crap out of me to read some of the things that are said about Sam but I'll defend those people's right to say it. And I do actually like Daniel. Quite a bit in fact. They're not mutually exclusive. One of my favorite season 8 moments was in Sacrifice (I think, I'm so terrible with the titles) when Ishta's people were bringing in all of their horses and whatnot and there was that moment with Sam and Daniel on the ramp where they were both horrifed/amused. It was such a great friendship moment and I wish they had more of those moments. But I probably shouldn't express my opinions on the show though since I'm a moderator and therefore, apparently, a robot. Or should be anyway.
So let's lose the derogatory labels eh? No more Danny Ranters, or Toes or whatever else people have thought up. It doesn't do the fandom any favours :-)
That's a good idea (and to clarify for people, that means names for fans of every character, not just Daniel), but I know it'll fall on deaf ears (blind eyes?). Same as not attacking the actors or other boards.
But, because I'm just that devilish, I think I will identify myself as a Danielite. I didn't come to the fandom until season 7, so the word has no negative connotation for me.
{Speak up about it like he spoke up and whined about how he was treated on the show in all those interviews he gave? I doubt it. It just amazes me that the D Rantes see MS as some kind of God; it's pathetic.
Dizzy Rose }
Do you know what the difference between Michael Shanks and you is?
Michael Shanks is an adult who knows how to respect other people's opinions and rights.
Unlike you he doesn't try to tell the fans what to do or say or how to act. He lets them make their own decisions and lets them learn from wha experience, good or bad, they get from that decision.
It wasn't his right to tell fans of Daniel Jackson or fans of himself what to do or not do with their time, money and expression of opinions. He kept himself deliberately uninvolved with the whole SDJ thing neither speaking out for or against in any definitive way. He let the fans be responsible for their own decisions about their behavior and their own consequences from it.
The man is a class act. He had a right to speak out about his professional reasons and concerns the same as Amanda Tapping or any of the other cast does. Those decisions never involved the fans. It was fans who chose to involve themselves in the outcome of those reasons and take it upon themselves to do whatever they felt was right to do regarding them.
Michael Shanks is an adult who treats others with respect comes to conventions to greet all the fans and to interact with them the same as Amanda and CJ and all the the other actors do.
You are not an adult.
Michael Shanks is an adult who treats others with respect comes to conventions to greet all the fans and to interact with them the same as Amanda and CJ and all the the other actors do.
You are not an adult.
I don't know, the whole food fight thing kind of belies the "adult" argument. And what's with the Women of Scifi calendar? Wow, talk about low class. What is he, like 15?
Anonymous wrote:
Michael Shanks is an adult who knows how to respect other people's opinions and rights.
Unlike you he doesn't try to tell the fans what to do or say or how to act. He lets them make their own decisions and lets them learn from wha experience, good or bad, they get from that decision.
Everything I said, I prefaced with IMO. My opinions (and that is what they are) are as valid as yours or his. For you to try to tell me my opinons are wrong because they don't agree with yours makes you exactly like me, doesn't it???
And, IMO, this worship of MS (or any actor for that matter) is symptomatic of someone not behaving like an adult.
I agree with Shipperahoy - everyone has a right to their opinion and should be allowed to share it. And a lot of people don't care if you don't like Sam, Daniel, Vala or Cameron, but let's lay off the potentially slanderous (or is it libelous?) remarks about AT, MS, CB and BB. That's really getting out of hand.
Whatever you believe about Browder's ego, Tapping's clout or Shanks' utilization of his fanbase, it's all conjecture and shouldn't even be discussed like it's fact in a public forum. Keep that stuff to the IM convos or PMs, k? Sleazy tabloids are for those dolts who dare call themselves, "journalists"...
And I think Daniel's a great character, too. The two (Sam and Daniel) are NOT mutually exclusive - they only get that way when fans choose to divide the fandoms that adore them.
And I don't think the show is adisaster. I just think the online fans of all persuasions have exploded. Regular Lay Fans don't have a clue about what's going on - unfortunately, that means they may not know who the real leader of SG-1 is, what makes the New Guy tick, where that One Gray-Haired Guy went, etc. Those issues haven't been clearly addressed onscreen (yet?)... You can only know this info if you go online. And That's kinda problematic.
{I don't know, the whole food fight thing kind of belies the "adult" argument. And what's with the Women of Scifi calendar? Wow, talk about low class. What is he, like 15?}
Real adults know how to be playful and have fun how to relax and lighten up and make others feel good and laugh too. They also know who to appreciate beauty.
I know some 15 year olds who are lot more adult and mature then some 40 year olds should be.
"Michael Shanks is an adult who treats others with respect comes to conventions to greet all the fans and to interact with them the same as Amanda and CJ and all the the other actors do.
You are not an adult."
Then neither are his fanatics that have been posting on this blog...
{Then neither are his fanatics that have been posting on this blog...}
Just because you don't agree with someone's opinions, doesn't make them a fanatic.
Besided there seems to be an awful lot of presumption that people who are posting things you don't agree with or don't like are Daniel fans. A lot of fingers being pointed in that direction, but no real proof of it.
You just like a convenient place to lay blame and make accusations so you can think you are better than someone else or continue to spout your own brand of hatred and childish behavior.
>>Give me a break. IMO, if the guy had any integrity, he would have told his fans way back in S6 thanks for all your support, but no thanks. I left the show and it's time for me to move on to other things. (Considering he's the next Sir Laurence Olivier for many Danny ranters, it should not have been difficult for the guy to get a job.) Why would the guy speak out against a bunch of fanatics who (I do believe) helped him get his job back. And going to all these cons (for which he gets paid) and having the women worship and swoon over him probably helps the already huge ego.
Speak up about it like he spoke up and whined about how he was treated on the show in all those interviews he gave? I doubt it. It just amazes me that the D Rantes see MS as some kind of God; it's pathetic.
Dizzy Rose <<
Oh so boooorrrriiiinnngggg! Get a new record will ya. This was so over years ago. Oh yes we're all such awful people, we Daniel fans blah blah blah.
When will the anti-Daniel ranters grow up and put a sock in it? Heard it all before, got the t-shirt, ate the hot dog. Life's moved on guys, even if you haven't.
"Just because you don't agree with someone's opinions, doesn't make them a fanatic."
No, what makes them a fanatic is when they bash anything that gets in the way of their opinions. You like Daniel, great. You like Sam, great. But coming in here and spouting poison against characters, actors, and fans because you're too obsessed with your opinion is childish, plain and simple.
I don't have a problem with Daniel fans or with any fans. I have a problem with fanatics. It's your problem if you can't see the difference.
Oh yes we're all such awful people, we Daniel fans blah blah blah.
Well, I do make sure my pitchfork is extra sharp.
Oh, and I don't think Michael Shanks is the next Laurence Olivier. He is, however, the next Michael Shanks. Which, is good enough for me.
you guys are boring. mitchell commands the team because there was NO TEAM before he got the job as he choosed the new members.
if you don't like the story, fine, do your own sci-fi show and sell it to sci-fi. i liked RDA, but all these chats on this blog - which have no further means than trying to influence a producer to fix things the way you want - is fair play, but that's getting really annoying. it won't work. if you want to be helpful, go and do a survey out of 10000 families watching SG1 on Sci-Fi and ask if they like the new season and the new character. you only one point of view, even posted 20 times, only count for one.
I have all the DVDs and appreciate the new season, the guys are fresher than ever. the new chars are very cool too, i really enjoy them all.
Joe, an idea if you can get RDA back for an ep get him and mitchell do something together, like for instance saving the crew in a rescue mission, that'd be cool.
Also dropping a line about what's o'neill is doing would be appreciated by a lot of people that cannot get over the fact he really left the show it seems.
Actually if de luise was leaving it would be more of a drama than any character for me, but hey, that's just me.
Was digging around on the 'Net, hoping to find out some explanation regarding the whereabouts of Hammond and Jack and ended up here.
So...here's my 2 cents. All of you -- *all of you* people that spend hours every day posting on these forums and blogs, imagining stories about the characters, writing stories, getting upset if someone dismisses Daniel, or Jack, or Sam or Mitchell or whomever are *Obsessed* and you don't represent the general viewing audience one tiny bit.
Most of us like the show, watch the show and when it's over for the week, that's it until we tune in next week. We don't spend our time on the 'Net between episodes, arguing, fighting over imaginary characters, oogling over someones butt or boobs, putting these actors on a pedestal or buying little action figures, calendars, etc.
If you all think you are the fanbase that the PTB listen to, are the true fans, well, just be happy imagining that as well. I don't think I've ever read so many posts where people are so concerned with ME, ME, ME and have such a sense of self-importance over such a small issue in the whole scope of things.
I'd like to say to put things in perspective, but that includes being reasonable, and that is something that won't do here.
But do carry on. Now that I've found this place, I may stick around awhile. For those of us who enjoy shows like Jerry Springer, this is great.
I won't sign it as anonymous, but since I am not a member of any of these forums, my real name won't mean anything to anyone. With that it mind.....
Cydney Sharp
thank you. i am, like you, not registered anywhere, but god i love this blog ! makes me chuckle everytime i read it.
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beyond the grave.
thank you. i am, like you, not registered anywhere, but god i love this blog ! makes me chuckle everytime i read it.
I'll second that. I'm not registered anywhere either. This blog is hilarious. I don't wonder why Joe does it; I'm sure he get as many chuckles out of the crazed fans as I do. Yes, the cream of the crop of the true fans. I love it.
I've not been to the Sony Forums, but that sounds like something that might give me a laugh as well. Is it free?
Just keep me laughin'
Hey Joe,
Keep up the good work. The show is great as it has been now for 8 and a half seasons.
Also love atlantis (got to say probably just a little bit more than SG-1 these days thanks to the awesome special effects, storylines and characters).
Can't wait for the second half of the current seasons.
If I could ask a question about Atlantis season 10, are the new bad guys you mentioned completely new or have we seen them before? Also are they the inventors of the nano virus we saw in the episode Hot Zone ?
Andy S (UK)
Anonymous said...
thank you. i am, like you, not registered anywhere, but god i love this blog ! makes me chuckle everytime i read it.
I'll second that. I'm not registered anywhere either. This blog is hilarious. I don't wonder why Joe does it; I'm sure he get as many chuckles out of the crazed fans as I do. Yes, the cream of the crop of the true fans. I love it.
I've not been to the Sony Forums, but that sounds like something that might give me a laugh as well. Is it free?
Just keep me laughin'
http://boards.sonypictures.com/boards/forumdisplay.php?f=3
- Have fun!
I have read that Mr Malozzi has indicated that there will be no O´Neill/Carter ship planned for the 10th season or the foreseeable future as there are more important stories to tell. It is quite sad that Mr Malozzi feel that the O´Neill/Carter relationship is becoming less important. There might indeed be more important stories to tell, but I still feel that many loyal fans of the show are being done in here. Of course we all realise that Stargate has moved into a new era and that is the way it goes. But it would be really nice if the writers can just finish that thread of the story once and for all and not leave us hanging after the twists and turns between O´Neill and Carter in season 8. Bringing them together does not necessarily mean that the show has to suffer some horrible fate or that the storylines have to suffer...
I think Sam, Jack and Daniel should just admit to one another that they have been in love with Teal'c from the get go, and then Mitchell comes forward and tells everyone that he and Teal'c have been going at it like rabbits since he started at the SGC.
What? It could work - and it makes more sense then the "Jack is better then Mitchell", "Daniel is better then Carter", "They all are old and ugly" arguements.
:) Plus, Jack will be meantioned. See in a round about way we all get what we want. Possibly, maybe - well not at all but that's ok too.
Hi Joe. I'm not going to be mean, funny, or sarcastic. I just wanted to express how disappointed I am in the way that you guys have written Sam Carter and the command stuff this season. Mitchell fits just about every tv cliche and stereotype imaginable. And for as hard as you try and spin the situation, offline fans (that's me up until now) just see another white male actor thrust into the lead at the expense of everything and everyone else. I hope you treat the characters with more respect next season. Right now, you're looking an awful lot like Berman/Braga.
Marla Blaisdale
Shut up Marla. Ben is a fantastic addition to SG1. Stop trying to knock him down.
And another thing. You should all be grateful he agreed to join the cast. Who else was gonna replace RDA? Michael Shanks or Amanda Tapping? They know their limitations and so do the producers. But don't get too worked up, this is just a stop on Ben's way up. Two years here and then its on to a mainstream network gig. He's the star and that's why he owns the credits and his name is first.
Ben's a wooden soldier. If he was on his way to a network gig then why was he ohso unemployed and available for this gig? Get over yourself and your wooden soldier.
Ben's a wooden soldier. If he was on his way to a network gig then why was he ohso unemployed and available for this gig? Get over yourself and your wooden soldier.
I have no problem with Ben Browder on SG1. RDA QUIT. Yep, he QUIT. Bellyaching at JM or any other PTB won't bring him back. I gave Ben a chance, and he has done well, he fits in (IMO), and I look forward to seeing more.
If ya don't like the show, then don't watch.
I have no problem with Ben Browder on SG1.
Neither do I. But I am having a problem with the role that he's playing. I was excited when it was announced that he was joining the cast last year, but my enthusiasm has evaporated. The writers have written Mitchell as a terrible character peforming no function. The idea that such a poorly concieved character could lead SG-1 instead of Carter, Reynolds, Dixon, or any other of dozens of qualified, experienced officers is ludicrous and insulting. If they wanted me to buy into Mitchell as leader, then they should have written the character to be qualified to lead. Instead they've given us a walking nonentity that everybody automatically loves and accepts, someone who hasn't really earned his position, someone who continues to get a free pass for contributing nothing. He's just a bad character. And he's not getting any better.
Wilson Myers
Wilson - thanks for saying exactly what I am feeling about the character of Mitchell - ambivalence.
I wanted to like this guy and I wanted to see what they could do with him but he is a non-entitiy with nothing much to offer. PTB can say all they want about how great he is but then when they write it they show him as empty and not the best qualified for the job he has and pretty much just a guy that stands around fulfilling no real role because there really wasn't/isn't anything, at least still until now, that he really brings to the team.
It's kind of funny in a way how empty the character is. People can say oh give it time but it's 11 eps in and maybe next week shows something but really I don't want to see false accusations or whatever next week is about I'd rather see him out there with the team fighting the enemy SHOWING why he deserves to even BE on the team and showing why this is supposed to be a team - so far there's none of that either.
Yeah some really funny jokes and one-liners he throws out and some "witty banter" with Jackson but that certainly doesn't do anything for me in the process of moving this character along as to why he is there and why he desreves to be there -- because he is funny and banters well with Jackson? That is not what SG1 is about. What the heck has happened to this show? It is a shell of the show I have watched for so many years now.
Jared K.
someone said: I have no problem with Ben Browder on SG1. RDA QUIT. Yep, he QUIT. Bellyaching at JM or any other PTB won't bring him back.//
yeah, i know rda quit. but, supposedly, jack o'neill is still around (as in not dead). HE'S who i'd like to know what's happening with.
sally :)
Sally - Jack is at my place; unfortunatly he's a little - indisposed at the moment :).
Seriously though, there has to be 2 lines - 1 throw away comment on Jack.
Anonymous said...
Shut up Marla. Ben is a fantastic addition to SG1. Stop trying to knock him down.
Dearie, Marla wasn't knocking Ben Browder. Marla was knocking the way the character has been written. She thinks Mitchell is a poorly written character/poor conceived character and so do I. Nothing against Ben. I loved him on Farscape, but even a good actor cannot always save a badly written character. And I agree with the other poster -- a few moments of throwing funny comments back and forth with Daniel doesn't make this character any more interesting in my eyes. Mitchell, so far, IMO, is about as boring as watching paint dry. I don't dislike him; he's just plain boring to me.
You might want to take the time to read people's posts so you understand what they are saying before you tell them to shut up. Just a thought....
I'm with you guys to. I never thought they'd make the new guy leader. It's just wrong any way you look at it. I actually lost a bet with my dad on that one. Really pulled the rug out from under me, and a good bit of my enjoyment of the show went with it. It would have been ok if they'd addressed it. You know, like having Daniel and Teal'c fight for Sam like they used to in the old days. They just look like callous gits letting Cam just take command from her. James Brown said it best...."This is a man's world."
".. Right now, you're looking an awful lot like Berman/Braga.
Marla Blaisdale
5:14 PM
Anonymous said...
Shut up Marla. Ben is a fantastic addition to SG1. Stop trying to knock him down.
5:45 PM
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Personally, I primarily tune in here to catch Joe’s take on the show, some hints on the show’s direction, and share in his amusing/interesting takes on the show. (and some great ideas on ice-cream, etc)
Marla: if you see a crowd coming with pitchforks, torches, et.al., don’t be too surprised. ;-) I found a nice touch of grim humour in your comment
As for Anonymous: Who chose to post right after Marla: OK, obviously forgot everything he/she learned in Kindergarten OR on Star Trek (http://www.peace.ca/kindergarten.htm and/or http://www.joke-archives.com/allineed/startrek.html ). I think it’s kind of obvious why that “anonymous” spends so much time online. (Taste’s great, Less filling…opinions) Unless you’re Little Richard, “shut up” just doesn’t seem really smooth.
As for TFH2 and TheHive: Great episodes: TFH2 probably has the most character development, involving the most characters I can remember in a single episode of SG1. (Fast paced, etc: Fantastic handling of Teal’c. Seeing CJ act and carry a room gives one an idea of how well his first seasons of quiet understatement were played. As for the Hive: we get to see Ford, and there are some fun aspects, and we get to see the start of something I’d really like to see in future episodes, more about the Wraith culture, hierarchy, etc. The more we know about the Wraith, the better villains they’ll become.
Thanks for the shows, Joe.
Keep it up until it’s not fun.
Any opinions expressed are mine until I’m convinced otherwise.(or until the Furlings stop taking over my mind)
any chance we see a suite of the fifth race episode? that we see again the Nox, the Tollan, anything Furling-related (maybe in Atlantis?), the shavadai, that SG-1 goes back to Heliopolis, since they have ships... and talking about the alliance, maybe we'd like to know how it broke...maybe the Ori are evolved Furlings?
Any chance Zipacna returns? Anise? the Serrakin? Rya'c?
could be funny ifwe see some kind of Asgard experimentation where the result is a kindof Asgard bodybuilder with huge muscles (since they're so skinny..)
what about any analysis of the furling device? the Dakara super-weapon?
will Maybourne come back with I dunno, the Lucian alliance? would be his style!
what about another kind of stargate? what about if the asgard tell SGC how to implement the 8th chevron?
why not continuing the Jolinar story? or simply coming back with some of the Carter-Jolinar mix...
I noticed someone started a thread on GW asking the mods to turn off the posting option in Joe's Blog comments or get rid of the anonymous posting option.
To this person I say, do you really think this blog comment section is just for the fans to vent and respond without censor to them in RL or fandom life?
Just think about it, the producers and actors on this show have had to listen to fans bitching at them and about them for 9 whole years without having the option to do anything but take the high road unless they wanted draw attention and even more criticism to themselves.
Now for the first time they have a place to come to, in total anonminity from the fans and the suits at the studios, and vent their own frustrations and respond to fandom's bitching without having anyone know it's them.
Anyone of those 'anonymous' posts to the comments section could be from RCC, Brad Wright, Amanda Tapping, Michael Shanks or even Joe himself and no one would even know it.
Just something to think about and I for one think it would be very clever of Joe to give himself, other show producers and the actors a safe place to come to and let off steam about fandom and be safe from retribution in doing so.
Interesting take on the "anonymous" function, but I can't help but think that Cooper, Wright, Tapping, Shanks and even Mallozzi have much better things to do with their time.
The "anonymous" option is the low road for those (from all walks of life) who wish to personally target other fans, actors and Powers without having the testicular fortitude to take the heat when they get flamed.
~ tdos
I approve the last comment, knowing that anonymity is as much in the bases of internet, as much as freedom of speech...
another idea...what about a wormhole to another universe? or if the furlings moved to another universe...or if the insects that muted humains into wraiths were of Ori origin?
since we mentioned the lost city of Atlantis...what about the lost World of Mu?
why don't we see SGC exploring other planets of solar system with a ship? they don't always need to be on planets with oxygen you know!
oh and by the way if you want to check comic movies/ series, have you ever watched the british series Absolutely Fabulous? imho it's hilarious but I know ppl are sometimes different!
could be fun if we enter somewhat starwars universe un SG! visiting Dagobah or Tatooine hehe
what if Heru'Ur teleported himself before his ship explodes when Apophis shot it in Tobin system?
what about a data analyzer spaceship sent in a blackhole thru a stargate, just to see what's on the other side?
what is we had a course of Asgard history?
what if the Fenri and the Ree'too were of the same family?
SG1 did time travel in the past...why wouldn't we get any in the future? not necessarily on Earth...
maybe more ideas/questions later...hehe I'm really a stargate addict
btw, I have a bug here in IE, I have text in the background and normal text...hard to read!
I have gotten behind in reading the blogs but I would like to say that the fact that you support the Bengals has now made you my favorite writer! Even though as of this date the Bengals lost to the Steelers, I still think they are so underrated. SuperBowl XLI here we come. WHO-DEY!
I agree with whomever said it is a mans world. Tapping´s role should have become more important. Instead they brought Vala in. No prblem with her or Ben. But Ben (sadly) is no RDA. And Tapping is (the way I see it) on her way out. And that would indeed be very sad....
MC
Well, it wouldn't be Stargate, that's for sure. If any of the original cast departs, Tapping in particular, then the whole show is really sunk. The new characters just aren't very enthralling.
Enthralling? Cripes, they're a snorefest. I was hoping Landry would bite it in TFH. Then Hammond could come back and restore some competency and compassion to the leadership at the SGC. The show is so cold anymore. Too many meaningless scenes and dialogue. There used to be tons of scenes of SG1 just sitting around talking, eating, visiting each other. It's like Sam, Teal'c, and Daniel don't even know each other and don't care to either. Cam's the problem too, it seems. He's so flip that situations that would normally be serious or weighty are reduced to "business as usual". His entire contribution to the team seems to be jokes about KISS, encyclopedia salesmen, omelettes (recycle jokes much), and "tasty teas". Jack and Daniel used to rib each other, but it was always from differing viewpoints of a serious issue like in One False Step or Icon. Now it's just humor for the sake of cheap laughs and it falls flat. But I'm still hoping things will get better, so I keep watching. Sometimes it's just with one eye shut.
Re: the post above this: good points. It seems that cheap and sleazy and funny, tired one-liners is easy to write and it seems these writers are looking for the easy way out for their jobs anymore. They do not want to put in the thought or the time to really make the show meaningful anymore it's just one big laugh it up with one-liners and alleged jokes that, in my opinion, fall flat and take away from the serious side the show used to have (with humor, good solid intelligent humor that actually had meaning, thrown in at appopriate times as opposed to now with half the show being one-liners or sleazy innuendo thrown in for cheap laughs or to take up space).
I read where someone said that it seems they have taken the complex main plots the show used to thrive on, and the wirters used to do brilliantly, and made them the sub-plots and taken the sub-plots and made them the focus of the show. I guess it is easier to write sub-plots that don't require as much thought so it is fast and easy to write and the main, more complex plots have become sub-plots so they can just rush through it and find the easy fix (the plague ripping through the world at breakneck speed killing thousands but we don't see any real drama and no real effort to find the cure, then MIRACULOUSLY in the last 2 minutes they have the vaccine, sheeesh, they are gettin lazy).
Michelle R
I'am new to Stargate postings.Do Sam and Orlin have sex once?
Bon xx
God, no. Not (canonly) ever. Not once. Never. And especially not when he's in a 12-year-old's body.
So... no.
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Ohh god, my mind has gone to a bad place. Sam and 12 y.o Orlin...
Bad, bad, bad...
it's so very very wrong!!
Dude... You gotta keep those revelations to yourself...
*shudder*
Dude... You gotta keep those revelations to yourself...
*shudder*
dancer of spaz I kinda figured if I was scarred for life that I should share with the world :).
But it is all wrong.
Interesting comments about the anonymous feature allowing TPTB to vent if they want! I don't think that's the case because really at the end of the day the entire internet is anonymous. Anyone can sign up to GW with a user name, we've no way of telling who they *really* are. I know that it was a surprise when Rainbow said he'd joined the forum as we had no idea. So Brad could already have, if he wanted (and I seriously doubt it) signed up to all the forums out there and vented his little heart out whenever he wanted :-)
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=226&topic=25647619
random people -not from SG1 fandom- talking about the show. You can notice how there is no whining in this thread and people seems to actually listen to each other, and nobody dissing the new chars either.
WOW! Now that is discussion. I have learned my lesson. From now on, I'll stick to inane plot summaries and comments about how "the show isn't as good without RDA". Thanks anonymous bastard above me for putting us all in our places. Keep discussion to a kindergarten level and we'll all get along just fine. Whoo-hoo, explosions! And did you see that close up of Teyla's rack in The Hive!
A Humbled SG-1 Fan
well, this is the level on which the discussion already is.
SG1 has always been full of scifi aberrations and sometimes plotholes and ubber clichés, and i haven't noticed much more of them that there already were last seasons seasons.
there always have been a comical element in the crew in the presence of the lead actor and now everybody is whining about it. but the prods did realise at the end of first season that they could use one of the lead actors as a clown to distract the viewer from plotholes, and nobody cared for them at the time.stargate is mainstream and enjoyable. it's not a philosophical revolution.
it's only half serious most of the time, it has sweet chicks, huge explosions and great direction and good subplots.
it's a fun, quick paced show to watch.
from time to time is featured good sci-fi episode with major drama, and it's rarely the best audience.it's true.
kids are pretty much a good part of Sg1's audience, like it or not, and making it hella darker and psychologically challenging might make it more enjoyable for you, but that might also involve a mass appeal loss, and overall it's an industry.
if you wanna talk about clichés, you could have voiced yourself some 8 years ago.
it doesn't mean i dont not appreciate SG1, for what it is like, a good sci-fi show. it's not neuromancer, 1984 or brave new world.
i mean they are not stupid, they DO realise it's sometimes cliché.i hope at least. i mean, teal'c scene this week was ultra cliché, but that was still enjoyable due to CJ's performance.
but wait for the oris using mental kung-fu against the ancients.
the bastard.
Guess we'll see if the rest of the American audience likes Mitchell and Stargate Season 9 when the ratings for the rest of the season are published. Means nothing if the 15 people who keep bitching everywhere they get the opportunity unless a few of them have that Nielsen box. So, keep on bitchin' it's as meaningless now as it was the first ten times. And, yeah, I think there should be another Stargate spin-off -- Stargate Beyond, or Stargate Infinity -- then every character that ever leaves the show can show up as ascended or a ghost, kinda like that ancient movie, "Topper" or the "Ghost and Mrs. Muir" or "Young Frankenstein"--no, too much dancing and singing in that one. And, the creature was only somewhat dead. First off, of course, the writers would have to stick a fork in the annoying characters so him/her could pass on to spin-off number 3, but that would make for some good drama in the original SG1, and then all the antsy, disgruntled fans of character whichever could be happy that not only is the character not completely dead, but has just moved on to a higher plane, er Stargate Beyond, whatever. I guess people will always find something to gripe about. Me, I'm happy with the changes made to the cast; just wish the writing was more inspired. See ya'll in the comments to Joe's next blog--meanwhile, keep on bitchin' and have a nice day.
Anonymous said
"Means nothing if the 15 people who keep bitching everywhere they get the opportunity unless a few of them have that Nielsen box"
Good point. I've tried to make that point myself once, and it gets ignored. People don't seem to understand the whole Nielsen concept I guess.
I see Joe didn't respond as much in this blog thread as he did in the past one, not that I blame him. This one really degenerated into a bunch of nonsense, drowning out many good comments. I bet the writers really wished they had let Jack meet his demise now so that they wouldn't constantly have to answer when he's coming back questions. Maybe those questions should be sent to RDA's personal site since he ultimately is the only one who can answer that question.
And a pre-emptive "shssh" to those who say even if he asked the TPTB would say no.
my turn to bitch? :p
i liked fourth horseman part two, but i'm finding myself more and more irritated with mitchell. so, i have BIG hopes that next weeks ep - collateral damage - will show me a serious and NON quipping mitchell.
oh, i have another movie to recommend to you, joe. it's actually got two names, but the one i know it by is '5 million years to earth' (the other is 'quatermass and the pit'). very stylish and creepy movie about... well, i c/p the info from amazon.com:
Plot Outline: An ancient Martian spaceship is unearthed in London, and proves to have powerful psychic effects on the people around.
Plot Synopsis: While digging a new subway line in London, a construction crew discovers first: a skeleton, then what they think is an old World War II German missle. Upon closer examination the "missle" appears to be not of this earth! This movie examines the age old question of how we came to be on this planet. It is suprizingly scary.
see this movie, joe, it's really good! (yes, that's an order)
now back to my whining:
more sam.
more sam in charge.
more sam/jack.
no one liners for mitchell.
help me find a way of marrying rda.
k, done, bye.
sally :)
You know- you have no idea how many people here who are making some of the legitimate criticisms actually have Nielsen boxes. People who have then are not permitted to say so otherwise they lose them. They could be anywhere.
Augur
Augur, you don't know how right you are. I don't have a box, but I know two people who do. Believe me, I don't have to convince Joe of anything. I've already convinced them.
heeheehee Geez, I must be psychic! Guess what--the numbers are in and are higher than the last two episodes of the first part of the season. Did it say 1.9 rating? Not bad at all for an 8pm slot on a genre channel. Guess your Nielsen household "friends" weren't conviced by your snotty remarks and are still tuning in. Like me, everyone in American likes the new SG1. But, keep on bitchin' if it makes ya happy! Am I the only one here who knows that RDA has left the building? Hey, Mallozzi, stick a fork in him and move him up to spin-off #3 Stargate Beyond. I'd sure appreciate it; that would eliminate at least 5 bitchers as they could all be happy in Jack ascended. Gone but not quite. Cheer up! Mitchell is the star of next week's episode, maybe you can babysit the Neilsen home kids and tune that one out and make the ratings drop a fraction of a point. I won't hold my breath.
Actually, I'm surprised the ratings aren't better with the "new fabulous direction" of SG-1. Season 8 averaged a 2.1 rating (even in the second half when it showed at 8:00). It doesn't seem like Season 9 is wowing the regular audience, or bringing in a whole new audience. And my guess is that alot of the fans that are still watching are holding on for the show to get better again.
Maybe it will get better with Ripple Effect? Or maybe a team episode one day?
I love it, the ratings drop and people still act like the show is scoring the 2.4 is was getting with RDA. "New Stargate", as the nutter above put it, is a pale imitation of a once great show. Thankfully, Moebius ended that show for the fans. If only it had ended it for TPTB too.
Joe, I have a serious question. Do you, as an individual (not one of TPTB), think that Vala is really worth the chaos her shoe-horning has wrought upon Stargate?
Chrissy
Wow, Joe. Just....wow. Can't you writers see how deformed you're making the show just to add Vala to the cast? This is absolutely the most cliched, unoriginal idea you guys have ever done. Come on, you seem to be a smart guy. You can't really be happy with the sproglette track. Don't you guys have any dignity or pride left for what Stargate used to be?
Alex D.
Personally I also know a few Nielsen peeps and it's not all rosy in Stargate fandom there either. Suffice it to say if they were pleased with SG1 the ratings would have been above 1.9 for the most recent ep so take your snide comments elsewhere cuz you are way off base with your "everyone in American likes the new SG1". I would have thought with the hype of BB and CB and the other "big" names the ratings would have at least pulled out beyond the ratings the show got last season; doesn't look that way to me. If I had to weigh what the suits are paying for thier shiny new toy and for the ratings they aren't getting for their $$$ and trouble I'd say they are disappointed too. We shall see how many of the "hopeful" fans who are less than pleased continue to hang on with the crapola they are pushing.
Oh and yeah next week is another Mitchell ep and look, it is original, oops no it's actually not its your friend Mitch in trouble yet again. Gosh I wish TPTB had a little of that creativity (and not the cliche kind) they had for so many years. Any ep that seems to give Mitch more than a wallpaper role seems to have him in trouble but alas he does the "guy in trouble" schtick so well why not capitalize on his strengths. and for all the hype on BB and Mitchell does anyone really think it won't all turn out to be hunky-dory at the end.
Please, please PTB fish or cut bait this is really getting old and tired reaalllly fast. It would be a lot more controversial and a lot more believabe that all could end badly if they put Danny or Sammy in trouble instead of Mitch since those 2 could indeed be cut at anytime the way TPTB seem to be diminishing their role and contributions to SG1 these days).
Jerry (missingtherealSG1)
Just read the spoilers posted on the GW main site for the first ep of s10. Dear God I sure hope that is not what you're planning for s10... I live in faith that these prove to be wrong spoilers, 'cause is beyond cliched and an awful idea to boot!
Well yes, because Jack wasn't in danger every second episode for the first couple of seasons. Having Mitchell in danger must be bad. Maybe we shouldn't have him on screen at all.
Actually the next episode looks like a good chance to get to know Mitchell; I know some people don't like that idea - sorry though, he's staying so you might as well meet him.
As for the s10 spoilers - my bet is the script is still being proofed and the story being ironed out. Anyway, things tend to play out better on screen then they sound.
I still say change is not bad. The command issue needs to be addressed (and it seems it will be); Where Jack is needs to be addressed. Mitchell needs to become more rounded, next episode looks primed to do that.
Some people are detirmined to complain no matter what; it's their choice - but I can't help but wonder at all the ulcer medication you take if you stress so much over this.
Dee wrote:
I still say change is not bad. The command issue needs to be addressed (and it seems it will be); Where Jack is needs to be addressed. Mitchell needs to become more rounded, next episode looks primed to do that.
Some people are detirmined to complain no matter what; it's their choice - but I can't help but wonder at all the ulcer medication you take if you stress so much over this.
No, change is just different; its not in and of itself good or bad.
Ya know, I'm still a huge Farscape fan -- watch the DVDs every so often. You have no idea how excited I was when I heard Ben was going to be on Stargate. If they had to bring someone in due to RDA's leaving, I couldn't have imagined a better actor. I was so looking forward to seeing him and so far, as much as I try, I just cannot really like the character. I'm trying so hard but he's still just a big zero boring character for me and I hate it. I hate feeling that way. It's not Ben's fault (I love Ben); it's the writers fault. It's really sad to see one of your favorite actors playing a character that just leaves you yawning. The lines they give him to say make him sound like a college frat boy....oh, it's just sad. Not painful enough for ulcer medication though.
Sad Ben fan
I just checked out the new spoilers for the first episode of season 10... Can we say The Vala & Daniel Show anyone???
Bummed fan
Ori-Shark Baby. A more prophetic phrase was never coined.
Rapidly-growing baby. Boy, what a surprise. I knew that would be the only reason Vala would be allowed to join SG-1. The Ori or the Ancients? Who is telling the truth? Shades of the Shadows and the Vorlons there. Sounds like Shifu. Big new shiny ships...more Daniel and Vala.
That's it for me, I'm afraid. Actually, it's OK since I've really fallen in love with BSG. Now, that's a damned well-written show.
Hey Joe, you ever watch Xena? No, no, don't go denying it. Well, okay, if you insist you don't, you might want to go watch the arc where the evil demon/god Dahok magically impregnates Gabrielle. Evil baby (named Hope) is a fast grower and wants to take over the universe for daddy, but she has issues with wanting mommy's love, too.
I'm sure the Xena/Hope arc can give you a few ideas for the rest of season 10, too. Maybe you can have Adria get it on with Baal and create the ultimate evil progeny, combining the genetic memory of the Ori and the Goa'uld... Adria and Baal can name their super-fast growing child "The Destroyer!" And maybe Vala will redeem herself for having an evil child by throwing herself and Adria into a pit of lava (much to Daniel's horror). Oh, the angst! (But you should have Thor will beam her up before she hits the bottom, of course, but don't let anyone know that until season 11.)
I am glad I was wrong about Vala's baby being twins, though. That would have been a bit cliche.
Cheers,
Strix varia
Joe,
TPTB really need to keep a tighter lid on spoilers that leak out. These people go crackers with every little tidbit taken totally out of context. People would probably enjoy the episodes a lot more if they didn't know what to expect (or not to expect).
Joe,
the season 10 opener sounds really great, is it July yet? :D
Vala's baby has definitely a lot of potential, don't screw it, please. And it would be great if tptb tested the girls reading for 7 and 12 years old Adria with Claudia.
I'm sorry, Joe, but this is it. I've tried to get into this New Stargate, but it just ain't happening. To go to these lengths just to add a character so the puerile suits at Scifi can ogle Claudia Black all over again is sad and pathetic. Way to not give Mitchell a chance. I don't know why you guys even hired Ben Browder at all.
Another Disappointed Ben Fan
Being a USC student, I've just lost all respect for you. Just kidding! Tell Carl I feel his pain. Keep up the great work on Atlantis!
-Caitlyn
(and the Browns are making it to the Super Bowl next year, you heard it hear first!)
Sod everything else, I just wanna see Hope-Adria pilot a spaceship! (As long as she's qualified for a jet fighter, she should be good to go, right?)
More spaceships! More spaceships! Woo-frackin-hoo.
-DEM
Keep the spoilers coming Joe. At this rate we won't even need to watch the damn show to find out what's happening. I thought you said you had a handle on the whole spoiler problem. Crap.
Anonymous said...
I'm sorry, Joe, but this is it. I've tried to get into this New Stargate, but it just ain't happening. To go to these lengths just to add a character so the puerile suits at Scifi can ogle Claudia Black all over again is sad and pathetic. Way to not give Mitchell a chance. I don't know why you guys even hired Ben Browder at all.
Another Disappointed Ben Fan
Divided Scapers. Great. Just great. Ben's fans against Claudia's fans. To be honest, I'd never expect it from Scapers. Sad. Very sad.
*** S10 spoiler alert ***
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I wish you didn't have to write Daniel as being so incompetent miliarily in order to further the plot of 10.01. He would know better than to have his radio's sound turned on during a covert op, for cryin' out loud! Anyone with a cell phone is sensitive to that now. Please find another way for that plot element to occur.
As for the Ori-Shark baby, at least you made the evilly-inclined/genetically altered/rapidly growing super-kid a girl this time (a Shifu-ette, as it were). Good luck with that casting, dude.
Damn, Joe. I'm with the poster above. What happened to trying to keep the spoilers down? The whole f*cking episode is written up everywhere on the internet now. There is no place you can go and not spoil yourself.
Divided Scapers. Great. Just great. Ben's fans against Claudia's fans. To be honest, I'd never expect it from Scapers. Sad. Very sad.
This has nothing to do with one fan against another. This is about the writers hiring Ben, then bringing another actress (who just happens to be Claudia) and allowing her to become the new character. Vala has been fit into SG-1 way better than Mitchell, and from the looks of things its going to stay that way.
On many, many boards now fans are saying that Mitchell hasn't grabbed them, that he doesn't fit. And you know what? They're right. Many people have given up on the character--it's too late.
First they have Mitchell steal Carter's command, automatically biasing Carter fans and longtime team fans against Mitchell. And they should feel angry. There is no rationale for that. So Mitchell is behind the eightball to start for a large portion of SG-1 fans. Next, they wallpaper him thanks to Vala. He gets no development; she gets a ton. The result is Vala coming back full time which will inevitably lead to less time for Mitchell. Carter, TEal'c, and Daniel are too vital to the stories to ever be lost like Mitchell is. These writers need Carter, Teal'c, and Daniel to write workable stories--that much they've proven. Now, Vala is coming back fulltime. And from the spoilers, she will be the focus of the entire episode yet again.
I'm a huge Ben fan, but this has not been his best performance. The writing and acting of Mitchell have been weak. The character was handicapped from the start, and the situation just keeps getting worse. It's just my opinion, but it would be best for both Ben and SG-1 if he did actually leave. Right now, his presence just seems to be getting in the way and making alot of other SG-1 fans bitter.
Disappointed Ben Fan
More honest criticism here for the spoilers Joe. Gracious, there's nary a plot twist or character surprise left to be discovered.
I understand that sites like Gateworld and Our Stargate and Pegasus Galaxy have grown up on spoilers and that it is their life-blood, so to speak, but letting out such complete information does nothing but ruin people's enjoyment of the episode. I'm sick of not being able to talk Stargate with my friends without learning everything that's going to occur on the show a year in advance. It wasn't always this bad. Back on the old forum, during seasons 4, 5, and part of 6, I could discuss characters and episodes based on what I and others had seen onscreen.
Now all the talk is supposition about what future episodes will look like, which only builds up people's expectations to a point that can't be met. Darren wrote "Let's Stop Spoiling Stargate", but no one, not even Darren himself, has actually stopped. Spoilers have just gotten more detailed and more revealing as the years have worn on.
I hate to put the onus on you guys, but at this point you're the only ones I see that can actually do something about keeping spoilers to a bare minimum. So I'm asking nicely, that if there is some way for you (TPTB) to put the clamps on inside information and to shut down the spoiler trade that has IMO really, really brought Stargate nothing but a disjointed viewing process, then please figure it out.
Once a Poster, Now a Lurker
(I hate to put the onus on you guys, but at this point you're the only ones I see that can actually do something about keeping spoilers to a bare minimum. So I'm asking nicely, that if there is some way for you (TPTB) to put the clamps on inside information and to shut down the spoiler trade that has IMO really, really brought Stargate nothing but a disjointed viewing process, then please figure it out.)
TPTB have absolutely no control over fans or SG-1 website owners from being able to pay for a subscription to Showfax and download the sides that are placed there for actors who want to audition for roles in the series.
They have to include dialog and scenes for those actors to have and to read from and study for their auditions. They actors have to be able to download and print them out.
That's where the information is coming from, not from TPTB leaking or giving them directly to the sites and fans.
To Anonymous (one of)... regarding hte source of the spoilers... TPTB have known for YEARS where they leak from (not to mention Joe has leaked enough over the years himself). It's not so much the spoilers themselves that cause problems, but the way far too many fans overreact (aka go ballistic, throw fits, scream, etc.)
And, with the way the spoilers are leaked, it's clear that they're published and distributed by a marketing (or other inside) person of some kind, be it Bridge or Sci Fi.
And, with the way the spoilers are leaked, it's clear that they're published and distributed by a marketing (or other inside) person of some kind, be it Bridge or Sci Fi.
As Teal'c would say, "Indeed". These are not just a couple of pages of script that are being put out as sides. These are detailed spoilers right up through the entire episode. As you say, someone, either at Bridge, Sony, Scifi, or NBC is leaking this stuff out. It's very clearly marketed. And it's damned frustrating.
someone said: As Teal'c would say, "Indeed". These are not just a couple of pages of script that are being put out as sides. These are detailed spoilers right up through the entire episode. As you say, someone, either at Bridge, Sony, Scifi, or NBC is leaking this stuff out. It's very clearly marketed. And it's damned frustrating.//
i agree. but to what end? they obviously want to see our reactions to this, but why? are they going to change it? just preparing us for what we might not like? what? is bridge saying, 'see, we told you this storyline and vala-inclusion-at-all-else was a mistake!'
or maybe the leaks are just leaks. :p
what i want more than anything is to NOT go through another succession of daniel/vala eps to the exclusion of all the other characters.
sally :)
I dunno. These leaks have popped up all over the place, right? And not just through word of mouth. GW isn't the only gig on the block (though they are arguably the most reputable). It looks like someone disseminated this information through several well-traversed sites.
Why? For what purpose? I dunno. It seems kinda fishy - and stupid. I can't help but feel like the writers/producers/directors (you know, the people who aim to SURPRISE, fcol) would NOT advocate this, so I'm gonna assume it's Sci Fi, Sony or NBCUniversal...
I doubt they're gonna change it, but I have no doubt in my mind that they're trying to see what the reactions are. I don't know what that'll do for them though, if they have no plans to change it. And why should they? It's their show after all. I say, do what you want with the series, but don't expect people to be silently mournful about the bizarre creative choices. ;)
I don't wanna go through another round of daniel/vala eps either, but I'm oddly sure they'll include everyone in this li'l farce. Whoot.
If you check GW or PegasusGalaxy archives, they posted detailed desriptions of episodes earlier. And nobody seemed to have a problem with it then. So why now? Rob Cooper did brilliant job, season 10 openeer looks very interesting and and really fantastic. Not to everybody? Your problem, not mine. I love it and can hardly wait to see it on screen.
{sally said what i want more than anything is to NOT go through another succession of daniel/vala eps to the exclusion of all the other characters.}
Well now you know what those of us who watched for the last several years felt as we were totally frustrated by Sam and Jack ship dominating the storylines of the show to the exclusion of Daniel and Teal'c.
"Well now you know what those of us who watched for the last several years felt as we were totally frustrated by Sam and Jack ship dominating the storylines of the show to the exclusion of Daniel and Teal'c."
First of all, is that an admittance of the fact that S/J ship actually existed? Amazing!
Second, if Sam and Jack's love for each other had dominated storylines so much, it would have been resolved many years ago. As it stands, the ship was solidified by ambiguity - which is why so many people can deny it until they're blue in the face. It was never truly set in stone.
Third, Teal'c's always been wallpapered, so that's not even an issue - which leads me to believe it wasn't so much the "exclusion" of Teal'c that irks you so, but rather the "exclusion" of Daniel.
How transparent can you be?
Even if the Sam/Jack ship did dominate anything in the past(and I am not really agreeing with that statement), at least there was some depth and dimentionality in the series. Now it seems shallow and not at all the quality that we used to get form any given stargate episode. The show is not true to its original character anymore. I agree with whomever said that for the real stargate fan the show ended with the last episode of season 8.
{First of all, is that an admittance of the fact that S/J ship actually existed? Amazing!}
Well Rob Cooper said he it was in the show so of course it existed, unfortunately for the rest of us who were put off by the attempts to turn the show into the 'Sam luvs Jack' series.
We had episode after episode wasted on her pining looks in his direction and Sam's angsty attempts to 'deal with her feelings' about Jack and his time just being wasted period. And for what did they do that for, so there could proof that it WAS all just a monumental waste of our time as viewers because they didn't even bother to put in a pay off for it? I don't like Sam/Jack ship, but to have realised that they dwelt on it and hi-jacked episodes with it's boring content with absolutely NO intention of resolving it is just plain idiotic.
{I agree with whomever said that for the real stargate fan the show ended with the last episode of season 8.}
So you and whomever you are agreeing with are saying that those of us who like the new direction and have continued to watch the show are just FAKE fans?
How arrogent of you to say that just because someone doesn't see it the way you do or likes something different from the show that they aren't REAL fans of the show. Back when fans were unhappy with season six, those that were were told they weren't 'real fans' because they weren't watching and enjoying the 'fresh, new' Stargate:SG-1 with Jonas Quinn the the brand new hunky lead of the show.
So tell me which are not the 'real fans': those who are not happy when the show goes in a new direction or those like you who think the show 'ended' in season 8 and you don't support season 9?
I'll look forward to your answer with interest on that one.
To: Shoe on the other foot.
Ok, it seems I have inadvertently stepped on some toes here. Apologies. I do not mean to imply that people who like the new direction are not real fans. I am, simply put, somewhat upset about the way the show is turning out. I would have loved for the producers/writers to apply some of the old Stargate magic to the new recipe. For me the new stargate is not stargate anymore. Not because it is new, but because it has become one-dimentional. And that is just the way I feel about it. But sincere apologies to those who felt aggrieved by my previous comment about "real" fans. It was not intended to be insulting to those fans that still enjoy the show. I take it back and gladly admit that all fans who like stargate are indeed real fans.
**Well Rob Cooper said he it was in the show so of course it existed, unfortunately for the rest of us who were put off by the attempts to turn the show into the 'Sam luvs Jack' series.
We had episode after episode wasted on her pining looks in his direction and Sam's angsty attempts to 'deal with her feelings' about Jack and his time just being wasted period. And for what did they do that for, so there could proof that it WAS all just a monumental waste of our time as viewers because they didn't even bother to put in a pay off for it? I don't like Sam/Jack ship, but to have realised that they dwelt on it and hi-jacked episodes with it's boring content with absolutely NO intention of resolving it is just plain idiotic.**
A friend of mine who leads a very boring life actually counted up the number of minutes in the past 2.5 years in which the episodes feature Sam making "eyes" at Jack, trying to deal with her feelings toward him or in any way suggesting any hint of "any kind of special feelings" between Sam and Jack. Starting with S7 through now, there has been actually 32.5 minutes total (shown on screen) of anything to do with Sam's feelings for Jack - be it looks, thoughts, or whatever. Anything beyond that is totally open to one's imagination and obsession. To say that we've seen episode after episode of nothing but that, is simply not a true fact.
I've seen the same show you have and while I'm not a S/J fan, I've not seen it featured in eppy after eppy. I think the reality is that when you dislike a character so much or a pairing so much, even 2 seconds seems like too much for you. That's *your* issue, but it's not a fact because if it was, everyone would agree on it, wouldn't they?
I still maintain that if there was a poll taken among the fans who don't come on-line (and spend so much time making *their* feelings known, lobbying for what *they* want as if their feelings are so much more important than anyone else's wants), the overwhelming majority of fans would say they simply don't see what the on-line fans see. That's what I believe.
shoe's on the other foot now said...
{sally said what i want more than anything is to NOT go through another succession of daniel/vala eps to the exclusion of all the other characters.}
Well now you know what those of us who watched for the last several years felt as we were totally frustrated by Sam and Jack ship dominating the storylines of the show to the exclusion of Daniel and Teal'c.//
name a season and the epS where sam/jack were shown and dominated in one ep after the other (in succession). daniel/vala, whether some see it as ship or not, where not only shown for five eps straight, but their storyline dominated. now tell me where any sam and jack ship could even come close to that?
sally :)
I agree with Sally: if you want to complain about a "relationship" dominating episode after episode to the detriment of the show then the daniel/vala comedy hour is that and it sickened a lot of people. In 9 years I have NEVER seen ONE episode that focused on Sam and Jack to the almost total exclusion of the rest of the cast for almost the entire episode never mind "episode after episode wasted on her pining looks in his direction and Sam's angsty attempts to 'deal with her feelings' about Jack and his time just being wasted period."
I ask the person that posted this to please identify even one full ep that had sam/jack dominating the way that daniel/vala dominated (and you have 8 seasons to pick from. The daniel/vala crapfest has 6 episodes to pick from and almost all 6 focused on that "pairing" to the detrimental exclusion of the rest of the cast.
Carole
I could make another pointless plea to everyone, but why waste time?
Nice job with Collateral Damage. Much better than last week's effort.
PS:
Now, I just need to know Mitchell's Achilles Heel. By that, I mean his character flaw.
Well done on tonight's ep, Joe! The ending surprised me, and I loved the scenes between Mitchell and his dad. Visually it was great, esp the violent flashbacks. This was a great way to learn something of Mitchell's beliefs and his past.
Hey Joe - tonight's eppy - can you guys spell boring. Why not develop the guy by showing him develop with the team? This stuff is just more soap opera fluff. Guess Cooper meant it when he mentioned soap operas in one of his recent interviews and the writing is on the wall that skiffy values soap operas since they have scraped the bottom-of-that-barrel by taking on Passions; oh well.
Bonnie Jergensen
I dunno - I you're going to complain about an episode (which is well within your rights) do you think it's possible to do so in a less demeaning way. Some people like them; it doesn't make them fools.
Adding to the similar call for sanity: Sam and Jack never took up entire episodes - it was something that was there, but that was only addressed in very particular moments. That's what made those viseral responses between the 2 characters even more potent. That doesn't mean I think they should live happily ever after, but Sam/Jack existed most often, and well under the radar. It was never its own independant storyline.
For the s10 opener. How many times have false rumours been reported. That's why they are 'potential' spoilers. Let's not get worked up yet, huh? The script is still likely being proofed.
If you don't like the way it sounds, fine. But maybe settle a little, because it isn't fact yet.
Ugh, I really didn't like tonite's episode Joe. Cam is sooooo boring I could not pay attention. Everyone stood around staring at him the whole time. He sucks the stargate out of stargate. Where was the BRT? Danny, T, and Sam have been lumps all year while all the other "new toys" get played with.
I WANT MY SG-1 BACK! I didn't really like season 7 that much but it is brill compared to this. I wish season nine and fargate never got made. It sucks uberbad.
Holy Buckets
Same goes for me, Joe. Collateral Damage was a snoozefest, just like Mitchell. That's now two episodes this season that have focused on Mitchell to the absolute and complete exclusion of Carter, Teal'c, and Daniel. Couldn't you at least try and give them something to do? I too am tired of the original characters suffering so badly for the sake of Mitchell. He's just not that interesting. And doing episodes like this is certainly no way to ingratiate him to me.
Bill W.
i don't agree, i thought the episode was a pretty cool 'one off', darker to please people that dont like humor based eps, and about mitchell for the farscape fans that complains about knowing hardly anything about the character.
the result was quite cool, at least visually and even if the end was so-so (for me), it was ultimately very enjoyable, and that's what i'm looking for when i watch your show.
people can still argue that the writers try to please to much the fandom trying to rectify any errors on the go and that's it's too predictable, but that what's made stargate. nobody in the chain of command ever died. an episode for the girls, one for the treck lovers, etc...
Now, I just need to know Mitchell's Achilles Heel. By that, I mean his character flaw.
you kidding, right ? he's killed a buckloads of refugees and has a disabled father, what else do you need ? a dead kid ? already been done, that woulda been ultra predictable.
if you rewatch the 100th episode, you'll get how stargate is conceived i think.
"ok what can we do with to make that sucxxer more human ?"
"what about make him kill a bunch of kids and add on top of that a dead friend who saved his butt in combat and is dying because of it ?"
"genius"
you also have the explanation about teal'c being wallpaper for 10 seasons (he's only here to represent the black minority anyway) and actor spotting the scenario inconsistenties. seriously wormhole Xtreme was a great episode.
with a bit of luck, if A. tapping didn't look that annoyed at BB on screen and if they were looking at each others, cam mitchell could probably shag sam before the end of the season... if she wasn't for jack and if he wasn't already reserved to lexa doig, as it was hinted one time when one of the team come back from a mission and one guy begin talking shit about her. can't remember which ep it was, maybe horseman part 1.
heh, 2 things to always remember about stargate.
-SG team never have more than one black -or hispanic- guy per team.
-when SG1 begin to explore a world with an extra team or an extra character, they will die before the end of the episode.
Oh, thanks moron. Are you functionally illiterate, or is this for real? Wow.
ho..i almost forgot. i really wondered how you could confirm a memory from another by checking their emotionnal signature. i mean, the 2 incidents (murder and mitchell's past) had nothing in common. one would be a premedited act of killing which would have been decided by himself, meanwhile the other was the order of pushing a button given by the chain of command. i don't see how you could relate or compare both, unless, guess what, it was to show up more of cam mitchell's past.
but then again it doesn't disturb me because i know Sg1 has always worked that way, and i enjoy it this way.
Yeah, Joe was just talkin out his ass with the whole "darker than usual" bs about this episode. This is no way "darker" than other eps of SG1. And it never even approached the level of Abyss or Serpents Venom or New Order as far as torture and torment for the character involved. Just another ep in the season that proves that SG1 was over after season 8. Petering out like this is, ike a run down husk of its former self is sad to watch. THe actors are givng it their best, but it's just not enough. It's not the ori either, but hte new characters that are killing the program. The writers have taken what was good about the original team and tried to give it away to the new characters but theyre not as good and now the originals are lacking to. Sam lost her dad, lost her command, lost Jack, and the show doesn't do science anymore. Daniel lost archeology, lost his conection with the ancinets, lost Jack. He's not moral anymore he's just another soldier. Tealc isn't freeing his people or fighting the gould, he doesnt' fight anymore. ishta is gone, ryac is gone, jack is gone. No one has a connection to anything it's all about the plot of the week.
whine, cry, Jack's not on anymore, Sam's not the only person in the ep, Daniel's not the only person in the ep, Teal'C's just black, whine, cry, waaaa....
That about sum up the comments so far? *g*
"That about sum up the comments so far? *g*"
So you don't have anything productive to add either?
you kidding, right ? he's killed a buckloads of refugees and has a disabled father, what else do you need ? a dead kid ? already been done, that woulda been ultra predictable.
I don't kid. I mean, I want to see a character flaw. Teal'c could be blinded by his need for revenge. Daniel can be too stubborn. Sam can be too interested in the technical side of things. I don't need a "dead kid" and didn't ask for one. I just want a character flaw. The killing refugees was because he was acting under orders and had bad intel. He didn't even know the refugees were in the target until later. And, since a request for an Achille's Heel was somehow translated into wanting him to have a "dead kid" I suppose I have to clarify that I don't mean I want him to go around deliberately killing innocent people. I just want him to do something wrong that is his fault. It could be that his need to find answers leads to him pushing something that should be left alone. It could be that he isn't as understanding to someone's need to not know. Or anything. I know some bad things that happened to him (indirectly or directly). I liked learning those things. I also want to know what his character flaws are. Too pushy? Bad temper? What could cause problems because of who he is, rather than what happened to him? I like my characters with flaws and I want to find out what Mitchell's is.
Dead serious.
Well, if you talk to most of the people who post here, Mitchell's biggest flaw is that he's not Jack...
Well, I'm still holding out for finding out an actual character flaw, that was created for him by the writers. Something where you see him doing something wrong, you cringe, but you're surprised, because you know this is his particular blind spot. (hint, hint, Joe and other writers) And, not just an episode dedicated to that, but weaved into things along the way.
I still did like this episode, though.
eta: Of course, I meant, you're not surprised.
Dani347, i was merely making a point in regard of what you posted, even if i totally agree with you.
let me clarify
Jack o'neill
-stupid
-killed his son
-performs silly jokes
cameron mitchell
-not clever
-killed a bunch of refugees
-perform silly jokes
on top of that:
-disabled father
-killed his best friend (wait for next episodes)
my conclusion is that he represents one of he most flawed characters at SG1.
sam is almost perfect except for the fact that her love life sucks. she also was portrayed as a lethal weapon in the firsts seasons, on top of being a genius and was about to become SG1 leader.
daniel is now an action hero archeologist who hardly ever read a book and somewhat spend his time to the gym as his biceps grow bigger every year.
teal'c is teal'c, a hero fighter that's as old and sage as zarathustra.
i hardly see any fault to these chars, at least there weren't as flawed as CM during their first season, so, as the above poster above me said, it seems to me the writers have done much more to introduce him than anybody else in the crew, and if it's not enough, that can only be explained by the fact he isn't o'neill.
again i agree with you, i'd like to see more flaws, but not only from him. but then again when these things happen fans go berserk saying how could Sam Carter could believe in replicarter?'
see my point ? then again i'm only an illiterate moron, maybe that's why i enjoy the show for what it is.
Anonymous said...
Well, if you talk to most of the people who post here, Mitchell's biggest flaw is that he's not Jack...
Mitchell is NOT Jack, never could be Jack, shouldn't even try to be Jack. I love Jack and Mitchell is no Jack. Ben himself said that to come on Stargate and attempt to replace RDA would be impossible.
But Mitchell could be/could have been Mitchell, a really good character every bit as likable as Jack, but his own man, different from Jack and so far, for me, Mitchell is just a zero, which is the writer's fault, not Ben's at all.
Look at *Mash*. When Henry Blake, Frank Burns and Trapper John (all beloved characters) left the show, we got Col. Potter, Charles and BJ; completely news characters, very different than the others, but every bit as interesting and lovable, IMO. Not too many fans whined and complained about the new characters (although I suppose if the Internet had been around then, I suppose some would have). It was the excellent writing that made those new characters it in and be accepted (an actor can only do so much with bad writing and bad characterization).
After 11 episodes, I have no idea who Mitchell is, have no sense of any kind of personality (except his "cool" one-liners, which remind me very much of Crichton at times), don't see any blah, blah....I just don't feel anything for him; he doesn't interest me. So what that he inadvertently (because he was following orders and the intel was bad) dropped a bomb on some refugees and has guilt about it? It wasn't his fault, he couldn't have done anything else. War is hell. Any person who has every had to fight in a war and kill anyone has to deal with their own demons so I didn't see his as anything special. At any rate, I just don't care about this character. And with the way the writing is going, I don't think it's going to improve. We don't have too many episodes left before Vala shows up and then the focus is going to be on Vala and her sidekick Daniel.
Actually, I think I've just talked myself into giving up on the show.;-)
**Anonymous wrote:
let me clarify
Jack o'neill
-stupid
-killed his son
-performs silly jokes**
Jack didn't kill his child; Charlie accidentally shot himself.
Many would debate whether Jack is as stupid as you think he is.
But again, Dani is talking about something different. Since she explained it so well, I can't add anything to it, but I agree with her. Mitchell is kind of like a work in progress who hasn't become a real person yet. I want to see something like Daniel in TOT, where his love of knowledge, of learning is so important to him that he almost gets Jack and himself killed. That is a "flaw" and something we've seen Daniel work on and overcome I think.
Toto
(although I suppose if the Internet had been around then, I suppose some would have)
Mash fans would probably have gone crazy, writers would have stepped down and killed the show. ;)
see my point ? then again i'm only an illiterate moron, maybe that's why i enjoy the show for what it is.
Glad you see it my way.
do you even speak a language that's not your mother tongue ?
try to rephrase and express ideas with the lil bit of vocabulary you have in it before commenting, and don't forget to drink before posting.
o'neill didn't kill his son, but if you check an epsiode in season 3, the son shot himself with his gun after he either refused to play with him or simply wasn't here, so he feels as guilty as he killed him himself...
I want to see something like Daniel in TOT, where his love of knowledge, of learning is so important to him that he almost gets Jack and himself killed.
Yes! That's what I mean. Not the exact thing, but something where his mistake drives the plot. I mean, yeah, he went home with the woman, and that was wrong, but it wasn't written as being wrong. It was just something to set things in motion. Unless they have him going after women on different planets at ill timed opportunities on a regular basis (and I really don't want that) that isn't going to be worked into the fabric of who Mitchell is.
" Well, if you talk to most of the people who post here, Mitchell's biggest flaw is that he's not Jack..."
What comments are you reading? Most people who post here think that Mitchell's biggest flaw is that he's utterly boring. I can't blame them.
{I ask the person that posted this to please identify even one full ep that had sam/jack dominating the way that daniel/vala dominated}
Solitudes
Divide and Conquer
Beneath The Surface
Grace (all about Sam angsting over Jack)
100 Days (Sammy has to get her man back)
Entity
Chimera(Sam and Pete was all about Sam trying to forget Jack so that would include every episode with Pete in it)
Lost City Part one and two
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