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Review: Stargate Universe catches ‘Air’

Friday - October 2, 2009
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Lt. Scott and Sgt. Greer deal with a panicked crowd in "Air."

Lt. Scott and Sgt. Greer deal with a panicked crowd in "Air."

Our intention here is to provide you with a largely spoiler-free review of “Air,” the 3-hour premiere of Stargate Universe.  To us, that means no major plot turns or reveals (beyond the widely publicized premise of the series).  But there are some “broad strokes” about the story in this review.  If you would rather watch the episodes cold, we suggest skipping this review until you have seen the show.

After 12 years and 15 produced seasons of television amounting to 314 episodes and two DVD movies, the Stargate franchise turns a major corner with the premiere of its third series, Stargate Universe. The first two hours of “Air” debut tonight  (9/8c on Syfy in the U.S., 9e on SPACE in Canada) and Part 3 follows next week.

Just what is that “corner?”  In every respect SGU is just what we hoped for: mature storytelling for a twenty-first century audience, an audience that tends to prefer dramatic character moments to shoot-’em-up action, and long-term story arcs to episodic vignettes.  This is, of course, not to say that everyone’s tastes are the same or to speak ill of the two Stargate shows that went before it — shows that were excellent in their own right, for the type of shows they wanted to be.

SGU is not the same type of show. That means that some viewers just won’t be interested (as a recent GateWorld poll shows). And that’s OK.  But those who do give the series a chance are sure to be rewarded with stories of heroism and duplicity, adventure and quiet introspection — stories that make us cheer, disquiet our consciences, and leave us gaping in disbelief.

Yes, Universe is a new Stargate.  But in a couple of unexpected ways, it is more Stargate than anything that has come before it.  It is human.  We treasured scenes in the later years of SG-1 when it was the whole team chillin’ at Jack’s house.  We were warmed with Sheppard and Rodney sharing a six pack on an Atlantis pier.  And then, when the time came, there were victories for the people we got to know. “Air” does exactly this and more, and it does it from episode one.

Stargate Universe is not a “perfect” show yet (what series is by the end of its pilot?), but it is exactly what we were hoping the next incarnation of Stargate could be and will be.

More than anything, SGU is about people and how they respond to incredible circumstances.

More than anything, SGU is about people and how they respond to incredible circumstances.

“Air” is cleanly divided into three acts of a single story, which brings our characters onto an Ancient ship called Destiny and begins to weave together the threads of their relationships with one another.  The first act centers on the forced evacuation of a base full of military personnel, scientists and civilians through the Stargate.  The second act turns to the question of how these people are going to survive on the derelict ship, with both a dwindling supply of oxygen and a question of leadership.  And in the third act, the crew sends a team to a newly-discovered planet on a mission to save all their lives.

If you’ve been watching the trailers and promos for SGU, looking at the photos and perhaps speculating a bit with us over at the forum, you probably know what to expect out of the first hour.  The new characters are introduced in interesting ways, leaving you liking some of them right off the bat.  The plot itself proceeds in a somewhat predictable way (again, the promotions engine has already told us a lot), but the characters are so dynamic that we found we didn’t really mind.  The circumstances which get these people onto the Destiny have a few fun connections to Stargate‘s established mythology, rewarding long-time viewers without leaving newbies behind — but this episode of television is more about the people.

The second hour of “Air” is unlike anything that this franchise has produced, and illustrates the ways in which this show is different.  The plot is incredibly simple, yet compelling to those of us who take things like breathing for granted.  Here the story slows way down, building to an ethical dilemma that is most fascinating in the variety of ways that different characters respond to it.

Taken together, “Air” Parts 1 and 2 are a fine set-up for the show and an illustration of how SGU is about people, more than technology, alien planets, or the plot of the week.  Neither of these episodes, however, represents what we think is going to be a typical hour of the show.  For that, you’ll need to hold out for the end of the story and come back for “Air, Part 3″ on October 9.

SGU makes use of impressive new vistas to depict galaxies far, far away.

SGU makes use of impressive new vistas to depict galaxies far, far away.

In the final hour of what is really an extended pilot, the human refugees must send a team to an alien planet to find what they need to keep breathing.  It’s a trip through the Stargate to a vast, desert world in a galaxy where no human being has ever set foot.  In so many ways, this is what Stargate is all about — and has always been about.  But SGU gives the classic “trip through the gate” formula a new twist (or three):  Instead of exploring a planet, meeting a village of humans, and finding (or causing) a crisis, here the characters are on a continual mission of survival.  Air.  Water.  Food.  Like plane crash survivors in the wilderness, they need to stay alive long enough to find a way home.  And there aren’t any medieval villages to go to for aid.

We found this final chapter of the premiere to be the best — the most compelling, the most visually unique, and the most satisfying.  By this point the characters are beginning to feel familiar.  The alien vista provided by filming in White Sands, New Mexico is stunning, harkening back to the deserts of Abydos in the “Stargate” feature film.  And yes, the producers’ promise that any alien life we encounter will be very alien pays off early.

"Everyman" characters are plenty in the newest Stargate series, most notably newcomer Eli Wallace (David Blue).

"Everyman" characters are plenty in the newest Stargate series, most notably newcomer Eli Wallace (David Blue).

Just watching this show, you get the feeling that it is expensive.  The visual effects in Stargate Universe are among the finest ever made for the franchise.  The set design, a mix of Jules Verne and Firefly, are James Robbins’ best work.  And composer Joel Goldsmith proves that he is as flexible as the show’s writers by reaching so far outside of himself with a stunning and original score that you have to check the end credits to make sure it is still him.

But “Air” is, again, not perfect.  While the three parts are distinct and each tells an important piece of a single narrative, we wonder if a 2-part opener would have made for a stronger start.  But we’re getting used to the slower pace of storytelling, just like the writers are getting used to writing Stargate differently.  Somewhere in between those is “Air,” a strong start to a show that will only get better.  Those who want everything they hoped to see in a new Stargate series will, like the show, need to slow down and wait for the rest of the season to unfold.

Unlike its predecessors, Universe is also a show aimed particularly at adults.  This isn’t one to watch with the kids, as one very “adult” scene demonstrates early on.  (It’s up to fans to determine whether or not the scene is inappropriate — but watch what is going on with those characters later on before deciding.)  It is tonally darker, as advertised, but it’s not the next Battlestar Galactica by any stretch of the imagination.  As another reviewer recently put it, SGU finds a sweet spot between the enduring optimism of Star Trek: Voyager (which rarely seemed to appreciate the gravity of its disturbing premise) and the brooding moodiness of BSG, which seemed to take itself so seriously that it was at times nihilistic.  For those of us who want optimism qualified by realism (and vice versa), Universe is right on the mark.

What more is there to say?  We’ve been talking-up the show for over a year now, and it certainly does not disappoint.  But watch it for yourself.  We think it’s just what is needed in 2009, and we’re sure that it has a great future ahead of it as we get to know the Destiny and open up our living rooms to the men and women on board.  Like the ship itself, Stargate Universe is going where no Stargate show has ever tread.

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  • I’m sure the show will be great (in terms of quality) and I’ll watch the first episode but if it’s anything like I think it is (and you say it is) I may have to give it a miss, which is a shame, as I was really looking forward to more of the ‘old’ Stargate, which may never happen in this economic climate if SGU succeeds.
    I fully admit I’m still bitter over SGA and SG1′s cancellation, and the fact that they are no longer making that ‘style’ of show, disappoints me.
    We’ll have to wait and see if there is enough of the ‘old’ Starage in there to keep me happy but I doubt there will be.

  • Sounds like the rumors that this will be “Stargate Voyager” are accurate. Depending on whether they mange to combine the best or the worst of both series, it could be excellent.

  • Interesting… I’m looking forward to it.

    About Voyager not living up to it’s disturbing premise, you have to consider that these are Starfleet officers who may serve on deep space ships for years at a time. They know how to handle themselves on a mission like that.

  • “Unlike its predecessors, Universe is also a show aimed particularly at adults. This isn’t one to watch with the kids, as one very “adult” scene demonstrates early on.”

    So much for them aiming at getting the younger crowd watching.

  • @ J-Whitt987: Younger audience meaning teenagers and early-20′s, not the ten-year-olds the review was probably indicating to. Yeesh

    Great review. Less than a day left! Awesome.

  • “Unlike its predecessors, Universe is also a show aimed particularly at adults. This isn’t one to watch with the kids, as one very “adult” scene demonstrates early on.”

    So Joe Mallozzi lied about Universe being a show the family could watch, huh?

  • @imitation Tofu: Sadly, Family no longer has the traditional “Mom, dad, 2.5 children and a dog” meaning. Now it broadly encompasses “person, spouse or significant other (more to what this show targets), and an unspecified pet of indeterminate gender”. It’s like Gene Roddenberry’s “To boldly go where no man had gone before” changed to “no one had gone before”. So technically, Mallozzi may not have lied. New Seasons of Stargate in the past was always a joyous occasion, and much looked forward to. Now All I have is an empty feeling in the pit of my stomach (Wonders off to find a doughnut and coffee to drown my sorrow) :(

  • Cannot wait for this. Damn lucky yanks watching it tonight :(

    Still have to wait for 4 days and I refuse to watch it on the internet. Ah well, enjoy :)

  • I subscribe to many of the opinions above regarding the disappointment, caused by the radical change in tone, of the show. I really enjoyed the uplifting sensation the show gave during the first two series and I will miss it incredibly. I’m also a bit sad because there aren’t that many shows out there which make you fell like stargate did when it comes to humor and knowing stargate will be different just makes the world a place a bit less cheerful. I do hope something similar will come to take it’s place( I have enjoyed Warehouse 13 so far :P )

    I will watch SGU and I’m certain that it will be a great production, however this stargate series, though different from BSG, will definitely give a similar vibe at some levels, and from what I read it will be, at leas I hope it will be, unique on other levels…anyway I just didn’t need another show to see life how it really is( there are plenty of those), I see it every day. Going to miss Stargate.

  • So the big difference between SGU and previous incarnations is that we are immersed in the characters issues from the start (oh and their sexual relations)and this is meant to draw us in. Stargate was about the adventure and the comraderie, not plodding plots and cliched characters. All of them have over the top dramatic pasts to add to the so called “drama” that was seemingly missing from past shows. Well I could relate to the previous casts much better than this latest one. You need to be able to connect and care for the characters before inflicting their interpersonal relationships and their past issues on us, and that takes time and good solid writing.

  • I’ve read most of the reviews by the more major media outlets (e.g. TV Guide, NY Times, Hollywood Reporter). Not one mentioned the “adult” scene. I’m expecting that it won’t be any racier than what you typically see in Primetime TV these days. Nevertheless, Kids under 12 only represented 4% of the audience of the previous shows anyway. Time to stop writing for an audience that wasn’t even there in great numbers anyway.

  • blackhawlk I understand where you’re coming from. Do not take our word for it, of course. See for yourself and make up your own mind. :)

  • I have been watching Star gate since I was in 7th Grade! I am 26 now and still a doe hard StarGate fan…. Today is like Christmas to me because I have been waiting for new StarGate for along long time… Please let this new show be even close to as good as SG1 and I will be happy! Also lets get the next SG1 movie!!!

  • Well, thats reassuring to hear that aliens will actually be alien. I just hope they dont have boring features like Legs, arms ect.. I want -completely- alien aliens that are entirely unrelatable and out of this world, and a lack of symmetry would be nice too ;)

  • [...] as “military scifi,” the series is reportedly less campy than its predecessors and uses thematic elements which will seem familiar to Battlestar Galactica fans. Preview trailer. For US viewers, Hulu will [...]

  • I’m not reading this until after I watch it. Gotta do it with fresh eyes

  • DOA. Any show that requires porn in order to get ratings to replace the lack of substance is poor writing. Not to mention trained professionals crying in the middle of an immediate crisis situation. Looks like they have combined the bad from both BSG and Voyager.

  • Fell asleep in it. Too much like Battlestar G’s “I’m peeing my pants” camerawork. Maybe someone could bring back Lost in Space.

  • I really enjoyed parts 1 and 2 and i’m hoping 3 will be a decent conclusion. One thing that i’m worried about is the character drama we’re going to get. Now it seems we’re going to end up with conflict between the characters which is understandable and probably a good thing. But I really hope it isn’t just this week character A hates Dr. Rush and next week character B hates Rush.

    That’s the majority of the conflict I saw allthough Greer I think? He seems like he’s going to be interesting but then the teaser for part 3 shows him and rush arguing so I don’t know.

  • Hi, I am Tom and I have been watching an SG-1/SGA episode everyday on DVD for two years. First of all I would like to say I am a Die Hard SG-1/SGA fan. When I found out that SGA was cancelled, It saddened me deeply, but on the other hand the franchise had gone off the air in a blaze of glory. Whith the new films comeing out my sorrow turned to anticipation. Then I heard of Stargate Universe and how it was going to be “different”. I said I would try it because the other two shows were so great. After watching the premire tonight I have relized my worst fears have come true. Instead of leaving the franchise good and epic, my favorite TV show makers have done the unspeakable. They have made stargate into a Sci-fi soap opera. No aleins? No shoot-em-up action? No evil bad guys?If this show is just about characters it will only be half as good as SG-1 and SGA. This is extremely depressing. Do not take my opinion litely as I am about as big a stargate fan as you will ever meet.

  • Well i just watched air and it was awesome. I anticipate it just getting better. The writers made you care about these characters in the first hour. It’s different yet familiar. And it was nice to see a few familiar faces.

    For those of you still complaining, perhaps the campy Dr. Who is more your style. Let the rest of us enjoy the new series you’ll be missing out on.

  • Only thing that bother me was the sex scene. I really don’t think it was necessary. That was too much for this being Stargate. Everything else was fine. It’s too early to tell if I really like it.

  • It looks promising… right now I would give it a solid 6.5 and expect it to jump another point or two after episode 3. I do like how they are portraying the young LT’s though. It is easy to think that you are just a Lieutenant and you have little responsibility or influence and then all of the sudden you are flung into a situation that you never thought you would be in. Some step right up… some revert to the whole “I’m just a Lieutenant… don’t ask me” mindset. I think it is very accurate how these characters are responding to the situation (Speaking from experience).

  • Well… except for the whole sex thing… a bit out of line if you ask me. I hope that she was another officer and not some airman that the military advisers missed the rank on the sleeve… that would piss me off.

  • Ok. Just watched the premier. Here are my thoughts. This was a VERY CAUTIOUS start. It is very different from any other Stargate series. It’s actually much more like the original movie as far as the characters go (in conflict and edgy).

    I wasn’t crazy about the whole bounce backward, bounce forward scenario. SOOOO many shows are doing that now. It is OLD.

    There is a LOT of conflict on this show. No one trusts anyone (accept the military contingent). Dr. Rush (Carlyle) is hiding something and may be up to no good. Half of the military folks are sleeping with each other (we saw one of these on screen but the Colonel and the Medic seem to have something going on as well). Dr. Rush seems obsessed with the ship and exploring it rather than saving their lives. No one is buying his leadership of the group because he kind of seems crazy.

    This series is also much more realistic. Nothing these folks do works. There is no genius that saves the day at the last minute which, in my opinion, is as it should be.

    There are an unlimited number of possibilities of character development to explore during this series.

    I have heard a lot of rumblings about this being Stargate Voyager. In some respects, that is exactly correct. They are lost in the Universe and trying to get home but I don’t the similarities end there. As long as we don’t start getting the new planet of the week plots it will be fine.

    Oh, and it was very cool to see the big cheeses (Jack, Amanda and Daniel) back in the saddle again.

    I think we will have to get used to the fact that there are regular characters that we are not going to like in this series. I guess the most we can hope for is that the most we can hope for is that the really annoying ones (Ming-Na’s character Camile Wray) will have an accident at some point during the season.

    It was ok for a start. Overall I gave it a 7 out of 10. Can’t wait to see the ratings information. I hope it did really well so we will get to explore these characters.

  • Sheesh, what is it about “fan fanatics” that can wait to condemn a show because it’s not what they think it should be? At least give it a chance to fail before bitterly dismissing it.

  • OMG WTF!!! There are no likeable characters on this show. I fell asleep on it, boring. I will be watching Dollhouse from now on. Just call it Battlestar Voyager.

  • Trust me its going to make you think of a knock off of BSG, LOST and Voyager. Which I liked all, but to have bad softcore sex in first 10 mins is poor writing. I remember SG1 started with nudity in first episode but it wasn’t needed to create revenue or more viewers. So much for younger kids watching it. If I was still a kid my parents would have blocked it with the first impressions, those are my BIGGEST concerns. I’ve been watch stargate for a very long time and in my mid twenties now but it needs to get better to hold any solid ratings

  • Yawn. For a pilot episode there should have been better writing, ah well just gotta wait til LOST comes back on air and dissapoints me :(

  • Slow paced opening, but wow… loved how they inserted epic parts to the plot and the acting is incredible. I cannot wait to find out more about these characters! FINALLY, REAL people rather than super-human geniouses all the time.

  • Right now I am so missing SG-1 and Atlantis. This was terrible. Terribly boring, boring and boring. I thought they were going to break new ground, not watch it dry up. I was holding out hope but all those hopes died tonight. Can’t wait for the movies to get back on track. That or them bringing back the superior Defying Gravity in place of Universe.

  • I loved it… I think it is a very bold and great direction to take the franchise. I can’t wait to see all 18 remaining episodes of the first season. And I already hope it gets renewed for a second season. I for one, am glad that this is a bit slower paced. However, the first two hours still seemed to go by very quickly. I also am loving Dr. Rush. His whole hidden agenda is great. I can’t wait to find out more….

  • Stargate Universe strikes me as a lot of unlikeable characters “Lost in Space” complete with its own version of Dr. Smith. It seems heavy on military characters and extremely light on engineers and scientists. I guess the idea is to thrust “ordinary” people into an extraordinary situation, but I don’t buy the premise. If these people weren’t trained for a dangerous mission and selected for their smarts, what were they doing on a military base on a distant world with heavy armor in the first place?

    The show’s writing wasn’t as stinking bad as you encounter when you tune into one of the SyFy channel’s Saturday night movies, but it wasn’t very good either. The plot dragged, dialog was dull, and nearly two hours into the show I mostly didn’t care what happened to this disagreeable group.

    And the producers sure didn’t waste money on special effects or lighting or music. Seems like the show was filmed in the basement of a building of Vancouver, with poor lighting and extra rust.

    There is very little to recommend this show and much to dislike.

  • I’ve been a Stargate fan since the beginning. I’ve watched the movie, SG1, and Atlantis numerous times. I know the franchise backward and forward. I’m such a fan that I and several friends are working on a fan series. After watching the premiere of SG:U tonight, I feel extremely satisfied that Stargate has not been bastardized into an entirely different show. Rather, it has ascended to a new plane of being. There are elements of what made both SG1 and Atlantis great laced throughout ‘Air’ (which I will not mention due to spoilers). The tone is definitely darker, and the camera work is reminiscent of both Battlestar and Firefly (both of which I am a huge fan). However, I did not feel Universe was trying to copy either show in any way. As far as the overall story goes, this is not another ‘Voyager.’ My argument is this: the current crew of the destiny have little control over the ship (so far) and most are totally unqualified for this kind of situation. Reactions are limitless, providing great potential for developing story lines and interpersonal relationships. Furthermore, Battlestar Galactica, Voyager and Lost in Space are all similar shows in that they encompass a group of people lost among the stars. So, it’s not like this idea hasn’t been used before. I’ve read a lot of grumbling about the potential lack of a plot, but trust me, it’s there. The thing is, it’s such a simple plot it allows the characters and their relationships to dictate its flow. I, personally, enjoy this kind of scenario and I encourage all of you who have doubts to WATCH THE SHOW. Give it a go. If it’s not for you, fine. I enjoyed the show for what it was: STARGATE. It may be a bit edgy. It may be a bit different. It may be darker in tone. But it’s fresh, it’s new, and it’s still STARGATE. The characters are not stereotypical, but are, in fact, extremely well-rounded and complex, without a feeling of pre-established, thrown-together-out-of-thin-air relationships. I, for one, am excited and intrigued to see where this new series takes us, especially with all the new worlds out there in the galaxy, whatever galaxy that may be…

  • I liked the premiere of SGU for the most part. It may have been just a little to Battlestarey, and I did not care for the sex scene toward the beginning, two military people kinda forbidden. That was right out of BSG. I love the Stargate franchise and I am ok with SGU going a little darker, but I hope that the fact that there is a gate is not the only similarity to the other shows.

  • It was the worst Pilot since Caprica and Legend of the Rangers.

    I give them 1 Season

  • I liked the pilot very much. It’s different than SG1 and Atlantis but still has the “stargate” feel.

    I was a little worried of how would (or even if) they incorporate the usage of stargate and the last moments of the pilot made me glad.

    I have to agree that there was not much action (in a sense of shooting, running and explosions) but there was not even a second of boredom.

  • There was also a lack of a real Story and for me it had absolutly no Stargate Feeling.

  • I’m also a long-time fan, having studied both series. I wrote a live-blogging review of my own here: http://fieldbeatings.blogspot.com/2009/10/stargate-universe-premiere-live.html

    I liked it. Not as much as I liked the SGA pilot at the time, but SGU is more intriguing. It’s darker, it’s different. If they manage to pull it off, it’ll be excellent. There are hundreds of premises that could be exploited to the show’s advantage. The acting force is absolutely top. They have everything on their side, except maybe for the VFX.

    I have faith in Stargate Universe. Can’t wait for the next episode!

  • I just watched the premier and thought it rocked. I did not know that the SyFy channel these guys had it in them. About the voyager comments I thought Voyager was the worst thing Star Trek ever put out, yes worse then Enterprise.
    This was completely different. I think Sci-Fi is getting more complex. I don’t know if anyone here ever watched Babylon5. In B5′s first season it seemed like a typical Sci-Fi adventure and then by season 3 you realized what the first 2 seasons were really about. I think this is going to be like that. The show also may appear lost like with the flash backs but I kind of like it. Besides in the end it all Shakespeare anyway.
    It is also great to see a show on this channel that’s not Ghost Chasing, Goblin catching, spirit watching stuff.

  • @arnoldrimmer (“There was also a lack of a real Story”), you mean there was no “alien/planet of the week” kind of story that most episodes of sga/sg1 had?

    for me that is not a bad thing.

    i’m pretty sure we will have later on plenty of that with the “stop at habitable planets for 12 hours” rule.

  • In an interview Micheal shanks once said “on stargate your not watching every week to find out who is sleeping with who, you watch to find out what alien wourlds the team will discover, what people they will meet, and how they will try and change things for the better” Universe so far is a discrase to Stargate SG-1/Atlantis. As an avid fan of both series when I heard universe was going to concentrate on characters I said “ok” and decided to watch. What I didn’t expect is that all the characters hate each other and the show is pretty much a combination of Lost and Star Trek Voyager. When I watched the pilots of SG-1/SGA I got exited and ready to watch more. this is not a mutual feeling with universe. Amanda Tapping once said with pride in an interveiw with Stargate the Illtimate Visual guide “whith engageing story lines we don’t need sex on our show just to get people to watch

  • I dont want “stop at habitable planets for 12 hours” Storys see B5 JMS did plan for 5 Years and pulled his Story to the end.

    Even encounter at Farpoint was not that Boring.

    Btw I expected something like this Disaster Pilot, seen how many good Storys were in Season 5 of SGA or
    Stargate Continuum… a few examples the General Hammond could have blown Ori ships out of the sky but a few Goauld Hatak gets them into trouble? Hello?

    Coumputer Game Riddle = see last Starfighter or Mercury Puzzel and the Destiny is leaking Air since ages but if the Team arrives they have one Day Air left…. what about autorepair see Atlantis…
    Klisches after Klisches but I stop Nitpicking here.

    Btw I liked Enterprise (the Exploring part without Spacebattles) accept Season 3 wich was obviusliy made for the typical US TV watcher to get more ratings.

  • To be totally honest I hated it. For me Stargate died with SGA. It seemed more star-trek to me then anything For Stargate it has a certain feel to it and SGU lacks that. They made alot of mistakes my mother stopped watching it after the half hour and me well I watched it threw but it was only for Amanda Tapping and Richard Dean Anderson. It was Very Disappointing.

  • That episode was simply just ****… I mean I gave it the chance, I watched the pilot.. probably cause I wanted to see the SG1 guest stars (yes even Dr Lee) but it was done so wrong… I dont even know where to begin. I LOVE SG1 and SGA, followed both from the beginning but this was so disappointing to the brink where I hope they all die on that ship. I mean when did a daedalus class battlecruiser ever had any problems dealing with 3 motherships (oh marks was there, hes so cool!). Why didnt the airman in the gateroom just shoot Rush in the face when he started dialing out? And as if that bucket of bolts is anything compared to Atlantis… it doesnt even look Ancient. And why the hell was the gate spinning when there was DHD in the gateroom? And if this was meant to be a charactor based show then I certainly didnt fall in love with any of the charactors… its too much like battlestar. Lets just say I gave it a go and I hope the writers read this cause they need to know they have just done it wrong from a Stargate point of view. Its NOT STARGATE, the pilot for SGA was better just so I could note that down. It wasnt that dark and what was with all the military personnel being so dumb… I thought SG personnel were meant to be the best and they just stand around, all their problems could be easily solved if they were actually good at what they are meant to be good at.

  • My wife and I were deeply disappointed. The dark tone and creepy characters were what put us off. This was not the Stargate universe as we know it. It was Stargate meets BSG or the Hills or something unpleasant like that. The characters were not likeable, and they were constantly fighting. Where was the military order of the SGC infrastructure – this should not have been a Lord of the Flies situation.

    The writing was weak. I thought it veered wildly from one emotion to the next in attempts to try to show idk maybe more depth, but in fact just ended up seeming more shallow. Also, the set was sorta bland and cheaply done (recession probably), but in a bad way, not kitschy like Star Trek.

    Oh and the sort of creepy sex scene early on, that told you all you needed to know – they want a BSG style show and not a Stargate show. We stopped watching BSG early on b/c of its penchant for nasty, unpleasant, unlikeable, bithcy, creepy characters and uncomfortable, dirty, gross sex and rape scenes.

    Let’s hope the marketing idiots who changed the “Sci-Fi Channel” to “SyFy” don’t also destroy our favorite show with their ideas of what is “cool” and “hip” for the jaded “young kids” Hope is all we have and I fear it will be futile.

    I love SG-1, SGA and the SG-1 movies. I watch them constantly. I’m looking forward to another SG-1 movie or SGA movie. But let’s just stop this whole SG:U train wreck in its tracks, before it ruins a beautiful thing – remind me of what they did to Highlander.

    Conclusion: I don’t like the “dark sci-fi” theme, I don’t like the lack of a moral center, and why in this modern era should heroes be anathema?

    Lastly…WHERE WAS TEAL’C?

  • I’ve got positive and negative feed back, so hear me out both sides. I’ll go back and forth.

    First off, let me say that the cameos by the SG-1 cast were great. They established that SGU fit into the previously set up canon, while not taking the focus away from the new cast (although I wonder if the next SG-1 Movie will focus on the L. Alliance and the attacks).

    I hated that sexual scene. They didn’t show anything (0bviously) but I wasn’t crazy about the moaning and blah. It contributed little to the plot. This scene will likely be important later but I would rather less visual and more hinting instead.

    There was less visual effects than I expected yet I was satisfied because each effect was quality (quality over quantity any day). There was little shooting and fighting after the one major scene. Yet I am happy with that. Not every tv show should be just shooting and blowing stuff up.

    I hope the nerdy guy gets the cute girl instead of the military guy. I’m just tired of the military guy hooking up with the cute girl. I think the writers would have done better having the nerdy guy comfort her after the death of you know.

    Overall I’m excited about the show. Everything is open for this show and I hope they do well. If you were not satisfied with part 1 and 2, please give 3 a chance (so you will get the complete story) before you quit watching. You didn’t see the conclusion and i bet’s its going to be good.

    Thanks for reading guys!

  • And think what Buck Rogers Season 2 did and does someone know Space 1999 (Monbase Alpha) both Shows traveld also across the Universe without a Destination SGU has absolutly nothing NEW just stole Ideas from other SciFi Shows. Maybe the writer did think we had forgotten these old Shows?

  • I’m toms friend and I borrowed his account to say what i think about Stargate Universe……

    It is way to much like Battlestar galactica. Too much Drama. I don’t think it is going to be a very FAMILY FRIENDLY SHOW, anyone who watched it also will know what i mean. SG1 and Atlantis were always PG, they never went into anything gross. I am going to give this new show a chance, but it needs improved or i will not watch it past the first season(if it doesn’t get canceled before then).

    I THINK THIS SHOW IS A DISGRACE To THE LEGACY OF SG1 AND ATLANTIS.

    IT BETTER IMPROVE OR IT WILL GIVE ALL STARGATE SHOWS A BAD IMAGE.

  • You guys stopped making Atlantis for this!!?? It was BORING. Soap Opera in space. Unlikeable characters who were annoying as hell. Bring back Atlantis.

  • I wounder why the Gateworld Team spoke so highly of that show after watching the first 3 Episodes?

  • I’m about half way through episode one and I’m already meh. I wasn’t a fan of BSG’s dark attitude and camera work, and I sure as hell agree with several of you who stated PORN has no room in the Stargate Universe. Put another sex scene like that in future episodes and I’m out. I don’t care if the show improves or not.

  • Well I gave it a chance and it was even more disappointing than I thought it would be. It wasn’t Stargate for me at all. If the producers wanted to take away everything that make Stargate great, why didn’t they take the Stargate out of the title and call it Universe. I can’t even muster up enough enthusiasm to list all the things I hated about it, but overall it just didnt hold my interest.

  • Honestly I thought the Gateworld community would be hard to please, but after reading the review on the Pilot episode of SGU and the reactions here in the forum, all I can say is I’m surprised. At least SyFy’s forums have the correct idea of what the overall reaction was:

    http://forums.syfy.com/index.php?showforum=167

    I had my doubts about SGU from the beginning. When I saw a 20-something cast of “experts,” I just shook my head and immediately thought of SG-1′s [i]200[/i]. Remember when they make a parody out of a “hip and sexy” Stargate where the cast is in their 20′s and it’s full of teen drama? Yeah, after watching the pilot last night, that’s what I pretty much got from SGU.

    From what I’ve seen, this community is all about the details, and yet no one seems to be calling out this show’s already numerous plot holes.

    First, you’ve got cheetos boy who cracks an ancient code in a computer game (right, I’m sure Daniel Jackson couldn’t have figured that one out). A second later he’s beamed aboard a ship and is given a full disclosure about the Stargate program…why exactly? The kid cracked a code. He knows zip about the technology in the Stargate program. And they give him full clearance to a top secret military operation? Followed by the laughable phone call with his mother. “Oh yes, I accept this without disbelief at all.” Uh, not. Then you’ve got Msgt. Ronald Greer, a 20-year-old Marine with…wait, [b]twenty years old?[/b] My expertise on experience required for promotion is a little fuzzy, but don’t you need about 12 years of military service just to even be considered for the rank of Master Sergeant? Did Greer join the Marines when he was eight? On top of that you’ve got a senator’s daughter on board, because, hey, the show could use another useless cast member, right?

    This is all superseded by the fact that the performances for many of the actors (cheetos boy, eight-year-old Msgt. tough dude, whiny senator’s daughter, Gaius Baltar, doesn’t-have-a-clue soldier) were God-awfully terrible. They should’ve just cast Paul Walker as well if they were just going for the beautiful cast that has zero talent in acting. I was hoping the saving grace was going to be Lou Diamond Phillips but he gets the axe before the show even starts. Five seconds of screen time, he says a couple of words, and then that’s it. Why even put him in the promo work if he’s not going to be in the show? Ah, that’s right, because you needed to show someone whose previous film work didn’t include being Chung Li in the terribad Street Fighter movie (Ming-Na).

    On top of this mess, you’ve got a ship that’s supposed to be just as advanced as Atlantis but looks like the pits, on top of which means that the technology on board could only be accessed by people with the Ancient gene. So did the Senator get a gene transfusion in a scene some where? Because he was able to use the technology just fine. Then you have this group of refugees that seems more interested in trying to fix the ship than wanting to get off of it, what with taking 12 hours just to find the DHD and then dial it. Never mind that no one has still bothered to check into Gaius Baltar’s claim to the long range communication devices either or that he probably shouldn’t be touching anything. I mean, really. A group of refugees full of scientists, doctors, and technicians and Gaius Baltar is the only one that knows what to do? And how about that established connection, eh? Getting a connection with an eighth chevron takes a ZPM, but the ninth one…well, that one is solved by a regular old DHD (and yet they still use a dialing computer).

    Of course, the biggest wall banger of them all is the plot. Oh gee, I thought I already saw Battlestar Galactica? And yet here we are with the costumes, the camera work, and the plot (being stranded on a ship that’s dying). I get the whole thing about the show being centered around the characters, and that would be totally okay if it wasn’t so terrible and if the characters were so unlikable and so unbelievable, but as it stands this is a terrible continuation of the Stargate franchise. Apparently NBC confused “ratings” with “let’s sex this up and dumb it down.” That’s not what Stargate is about. But I suppose that won’t stop the closet sex scenes that add zero to the plot and platform of the show or the trigger-happy tension of betrayal and back-stabbing for what is predictably in store for us. Thankfully I don’t think it’ll make it past the first season.

  • OK. OK. So we’ve all seen 2 acts of a 3-act play. You could leave the theater if you want, shaking your head at how rotten you thought it all was. Or, you could come back to your seat after the intermission and be blown away by an exceptional conclusion. Up to you.

    Wright and Cooper had a very serious problem to deal with. Us. We are all either too callus and set in our ways to accept a new kind of Stargate show. Or we are too Rah-Rah for anything round with a puddle in it.

    The producers were looking to establish a new direction to a long-standing franchise with a rich canon, interesting and lovable heros, powerful and egomaniacal villans, and action-packed moralistic stories.

    Universe seems not a continuation of anything SG at all, other than the devices of transport and the backstory elements of the SG Program itself. We should all just sit back and take a chill pill and see what happens.

    Introducing a new, and seemingly extensive, set of characters in a new and challanging environment must be a difficult task and we should appreciate that level of difficulty and give the producers some lattitude to settle their new team and circumstances into a rythym that works.

    Yes, the new mood is darker.

    Yes, the new characters will take some getting to know.

    Yes, what we know of the initial story effort is still incomplete.

    What the hell else do we have to do on Friday night? Watch and wait. If, within 5-6 weeks we don’t see characters that we can relate to, action that we deserve along with some wit and some really whiz-bang effects, we can (and will) express our displeasure by removing SGU from our DVR record lists and that will be that.

    I actually hold out good hope. The story of ‘the journey’ goes back to the dawn of fiction in ‘The Canteberry Tales’. There is nothing really ever really new anymore. Only there is interesting combinations of the familiar to create something entertaining.

    So far, SGU is both familiar and entertaining…certainly complicated and engaging, so we shall see where it all heads off to.

    Notes: I do miss the P90s. Naming the new Earth ship for Hammond is cool.

    Best wishes to the fine producers who have brought us so much joy in the past. We know that you have that in mind for the future.

  • I am very disappointed in the premise of SGU. If they are going for psycho-analyzing a bunch of whacked out characters, they are going to lose a fan that has been a huge paying customer of SG-1 and SGA materials (DVD’s, etc. etc.).

    I loved SG-1 and SGA because it had characters that were honorable with fairly clean slates. People that you want to be like. There are enough messed up people in the world that I don’t need to see the relative moralism horse-crap and constant excuse-making approach to flawed behavior of other human beings. Whether this is real or not it’s sort of irrelevant. I can watch Jerry Springer for a bunch of f…’ed up characters.

    I want characters like Sam Carter, John Shepherd, Daniel Jackson and Jack O’Niel’s to aspire to be like and to have my kids to want to be like. I want more hope and positive energy. If they’re going for the adults, they’re going to not do well, IMHO. Most intelligent adults that like Sci-fi are educated people with relative mental balance…. not sure if those people are interested to watch psychoanalysis of horse-crap going no where weekly like BSG was.

    I hope that this show doesn’t become BSG II since I think that show was basically the most amazing display of writer narcissism I’ve ever seen. I hope I don’t see a bunch of people with various psychological issues have constant conflict and wallow in crap sleeping with one another every week. That would be unfortunate.

    I really hope this show gets “brighter” and more positive. First episode was a huge disappointment for me.

  • Having read the posts now, and being a business executive, my guess is that the producers are trying to capture a new market segment that hasn’t watched Stargate before. My OPINION is that this is not a horrible idea, but that they will fail at it. Star Trek and many other sci-fi shows have tried to do it. Stargate probably did it as good or better than anyone, but the fact is that the people who watch sci-fi are typically highly educated and I bet (I don’t know this for a fact) they are more hopeful and positive than other people. In summary, I think they’ll lose their base in their attempt and have to dump SGU for bad ratings. My wife called it “Stargate Lost”… Lost, BSG, and similar shows are, to me, an entirely different genre. The darkness is intended as a mind-f**k. It’s a circle of how OK it is to be F..*ed up… and do the wrong things and take the wrong turns at every fork when given the choices, then algorithmically go through and figure out how to build a story based on mistakes and bad things that human beings do.

    That is the opposite of what made SG1 and SGA successful — a trust that human beings are generally good… at least a hope that human beings are good… and given good or bad choices, they make the good ones more often than not… regardless of religious belief or creed…

    It’s probably an acceptable risk though. 1-2 year shot at a low probability gamble… show gets killed off and the writers get to have a “cool” project on their resumes where they can extend their careers outside of sci-fi genre. The only loser will be the franchise and its fans.

    Of course, my comments are all based on the assumption that the first 2-hour opener is a good representative of the series.

  • Couple of very good posts above cover a lot of territory. After watching a second time I’ve come to the realization that Wright/Cooper really have worked up Stargate-BSG.

    Maybe later episodes will be better as this is after all a pilot, but the repulsive camera work is the deal breaker for me. I like the first few BSGs but quickly abandoned it when it took on the stylistic look of a Super-8 film school project. When I sit across from someone at a conference table they don’t jump and jerk around. Even a static lock down shot of the gate deserves a few bumps and thumps of the camera.

    I also don’t go for the muted colour palette. The messed up colour worked fine in the well liked SGA Vegas, but here it just doesn’t do anything for me. Note to producers – I won’t be buying DVDs to be nauseated for 20 hours by “trendy” jumpy cinematography.

  • First off, I have been a fan of the previous versions of Stargate for years. I just finished watching “Air 1 and 2″ and it left me with a slight taste in my mouth. Now I know they got a bigger budget especially since the 3D work was so much more refined but I think they made a way better show for less money and more creativity. ” Things always tend to taste better, when you’re hungry.”

    When I first heard about the show, I was really excited(though knowing nothing about it at the time) so I kept tabs on developments, saw the comic con discussions and just simply looking for an air date. Now from that point on I knew this was going to be something different but I decided to give it a chance. When the creators of the franchise said they were ” gunna throw a few curve balls and shake things up”, they really were not kidding this show shocked my system. This show wasn’t anywhere close to what I loved about SG-1 or Atlantis.

    I enjoyed those shows just for their deceptive simplicity. Each episode carried a spark of adventure that made you want to join the SG teams and follow them on their journeys. Re-imagining common myths and folklore from this worlds past and channel them through the franchise’s universe. Another factor was the creation of lovable characters, these simple hero archetypes.

    From watching the pilot it looked as if the creators were reinventing the wheel and adding jagged spikes and rolling it in the mud, it really didn’t need to happen. But I will continue to give this show a chance until I can no longer follow it anymore.

  • @Cloudrdr

    I totally agree with you. While you could reason everything out, all the little details and potential plot holes, you could also simply see what happens. I feel this new, darker direction for Stargate will work, as well as the characters, tech, etc given some time to fully introduce them. I mean, for god’s sakes, people, we’ve seen the show for all of 2 hours. Also, in my opinion, the story-of-the-week episodes were getting repetitive (and I’m a huge fan of the movie and both SG1 and SGA). A lot of you have said you were sick of the writing, the repetition in stories, the recycling of ideas. While the premise of Universe could be argued as a recycled idea, I feel a lot of Sci-Fi already is. This show presents itself as an engaging, arc-driven drama, with complex characters. Yes, some of them may seem overdone, trite, and predictable at first, with emotions all over the charts, but a lot of people have commented the biggest thing they enjoyed about SG1 and SGA were the interactions and relationships of the team. Once this show has a chance to settle into its roots a bit more, giving us time to get to know all the facets of each character, the seemingly over-the-top emotions will find their place. I’m just worried that some fans will simply never be pleased with anything other than (a)what they already know and love or (b)there personal ideas on where the franchise should go. I am not accusing anyone, and, to have your own opinions of a series is fine. In fact, I welcome that. No one should simply go with what everyone else says. All of the above happens to be my own opinion, and I understand that it probably won’t agree with a lot of peoples’. I just agree with others when they say this is a new type of Stargate that may seem unfamiliar at first, but when you truly watch it without any preconceived notions, you find elements of the old Stargate still there (more than a spinning gate with a puddle and some familiar faces). Lastly, over-analyzing every detail of anything is never a good idea, in my opinion. When you do this, you wind up not enjoying entertainment in general. I’m a stickler for details and continuity, but I also understand this is a new entity that needs to find its legs, and, furthermore, it is entertainment, and for me, the first 2 hours were entertaining. Understand I am a fan of all things Stargate, but even I have to admit there were episodes and elements I wasn’t too fond of in both SG1 and SGA. However, that is going to be the case with any serialized show. Human beings are imperfect, so, in order to have this ‘perfect’ perception and invention of a Stargate series without bad writing, characters, predictability, etc it would have to be done by robots, which would leave it feeling very sterile and plain. And we all know what happens when we let robots start assuming too many responsibilities. We end up with Skynet or the Matrix. For me, that’s a problem. In conclusion, everyone’s opinions about everything are completely relative. We will all never have the EXACT frame of reference for our diverse opinions on anything, but I implore Stargate fans to give Universe a chance to succeed. It doesn’t have to fill the hole in your hearts left by the departure of SG1 and SGA, but, maybe it’ll find a place there anyway.

  • Just realized I probably need to break my thoughts up into paragraphs. Sorry to everyone who actually stumbles through all of that.

  • I’m gonna give it a chance. The sex scene was overly gratuitous. In fact it was quite jarring, like they were trying too hard to get the BSG grittiness.

    I was excited to watch this, but found it difficult to connect with the characters. Nothing wrong with the acting. I just didn’t have that moment that I did with Children of the Gods when I was saying to myself, “OMG my alltime favorite movie was made into a tv series starring McGuyver”. Nor did I have that clicking aha this is so right, the way I did with Atlantis Ep 1. I understand the need to change.

    Some of the elements I liked, the duplicity, the backstory. But something just hasn’t clicked with me yet, and I feel a bit alienated. I’ve spent the last 12 years of my life with Stargate; add another three if you count the movie and my rambling imagination. It’s like I’m being introduced to a long lost family member that I’m supposed to know. It looks like my family, feels like it’s supposed to be my family…but it’s just a clone with implanted memories…

    It’s just too bad it’s not going to be a program I can watch with my nieces. Going so “dark” is going to screw up SGU’s potential fanbase. It cuts out the family, the people who would grow along with the show and support it another 12 years from now. I hope it works. I’ll keep watching. For now. It may take a second or third viewing for me to figure out if I like this or hate it.

  • Two words: Battlestargate Universica. And a poor rendition at that. At least the acting was good. I’ll watch for a bit, but the next moaning sweaty mess and SG is over for me forever.

    I recently quit Heroes in a screaming fit when an entire episode passed with nothing happening and the lazy writing of the circular line ‘you don’t understand’ – which I heard at least once during the first two episodes. I wish I could blame SyFy’s desire to BSG the series, but the producers happily claimed responsibility for this mess. Slow story telling, no major nemesis, and the only action seems to be for adult eyes only – lame start.

  • I watched it twice. It’s pretty bad.

    I doubt this show lasts. The writing is atrocious.

  • [...] Excerpted from a brilliant comment on Gateworld, Of course, the biggest wall banger of them all is the plot. Oh gee, I thought I already saw Battlestar Galactica? And yet here we are with the costumes, the camera work, and the plot (being stranded on a ship that’s dying). I get the whole thing about the show being centered around the characters, and that would be totally okay if it wasn’t so terrible and if the characters were so unlikable and so unbelievable, but as it stands this is a terrible continuation of the Stargate franchise. Apparently NBC confused “ratings” with “let’s sex this up and dumb it down.” That’s not what Stargate is about. But I suppose that won’t stop the closet sex scenes that add zero to the plot and platform of the show or the trigger-happy tension of betrayal and back-stabbing for what is predictably in store for us. Thankfully I don’t think it’ll make it past the first season. [...]

  • I loved SG1 and SGA, but oh my SGU… not a good start. as the saying goes “save the drama for your momma”. This looks like another BSG, too much drama, i was SOOOOO happy that they finally killed it. I dont want to feel the same about SGU. In the original SG1 you like the characters, but in this one they just make you wanna dislike them for drama sake…. oh please please dont ruin this series!!!!!!!!

  • The premier was about as good as I thought it would be. I’m not totally in love with it or anything, but I’ll watch it. My big fear now is that without a major alien antagonist the show will flop after a bit. In order to prevent that from happening they will have to go all Lord of The Flies with the crew, pitting the military against the scientists and civilians. That would be quite cool actually, and seems to be the angle they are going with.

  • I honestly didn’t enjoy SGU. It didn’t feel like Stargate. It was Battlestar Galactica.. no, scratch that- It was Caprica, crossed with Star Trek Voyager.. minus everything that made Star Trek Voyager a good series. If I even bothered watching Defying Gravity then I’d probably compare SGU to Defying Gravity as well, but I never bothered watching it.

    There was no humour like what made SG1 and SGA so great.

    The sex scene was NOT REQUIRED NOR DID IT ADD TO SGU. I thought the whole Children of the Gods Final Cut was an attempt to remove this sort of thing so the series could be enjoyed with the family. Sex is just a poor excuse to try and make up for lack of story. Which brings me to my next point…

    Lack of story. Guy plays MMORPG, all of a sudden he’s sent on a mission because he solved something that realistically Daniel Jackson could have solved. Half the time I had no idea what was going on(And don’t say it’s because I’m not part of the “targeted smarter audience”, they just kept flashing back and forth. I knew what was what, but there was no point to it).

    Or better yet, place the camera on a tripod– or is SGU too low budget for a tripod? Well. How about placing it on some bricks or a table? Can they afford that? Guess not. Shaky camera does not = Epic, it = Poor Quality. Shaky camera works alright for space battles or chase scenes — something exciting!!, not when two people are talking to each other(Especially not while they’re talking and not even being shot at).

    I have a hundred other gripes with this poor excuse for a Stargate franchise. But I’ll say something positive.. I thought the premise behind it had potential, that being – discovering an ancient ship that placed stargates on planets. Other than that, the characters just don’t do it for me.

    So. The first and second episodes sucked. You have 2 more episodes to win me back or I walk away from SGU. FYI: The future SG1 and SGA movies better not take notes from SGU. SG1 was already starting to go down hill. Go back to Stargates roots before it’s too late!!!!!!

  • I was very disappointed in the pilot. The characters were very two-dimensional and the whole thing reminded me of a touchy-feely soap opera more than hard sc-fi. The Dr. Rush character especially came across as creepy, rather like an alternate universe version of Galactica’s Dr. Baltar. Unfortunately, there were no strong, honorable characters to balance him and so the whole feel of the show was kind of dirty, and creepy.

    A series pilot is supposed to get you hooked enough to come back for more, but this was so disappointing I’m not sure I’m willing to spend an irreplaceable hour of my life watching the next episode. Too bad, SG and SGA were fantastic! I loved every miniute of every episode, but Universe looks like its heading for oblivion if the pilot is represenative.

  • Epic Fail, should have called it “Battlegate Atlantica” instead of StarGate as it feels nothing like SG.

    It is as if the writers are college students writing their first show, and they thought “Oh! Let’s copy a little bit from every scifi shows out there and grind them into one show!”

    Failures:
    1. Tried to be clever and scrambled the sequence with unnecessary flashbacks and cause confusion, this only works if there is a big mystery, not the 15 minutes tiny mystery in SGU (Trying to copy Lost)

    2. Added unnecessary sex scene, which had nothing to do with anything else and screams “me-too” (Trying to copy Galatica)

    3. Way too much arguments, yes tension is needed between characters, but some idi0t decided it’d interesting for us to see people argue every step of the way from beginning to the end. Dude, just STFU already.

    4. Where is all the stuff we like from SG/SGA? Rofl, they must have thought we liked SG/SGA ONLY because there was a stargate, as that’s the only thing they kept.

    5. Characters that doesn’t stick, probably because everyone spent 2 hours arguing with each other over common sense.

    After watching the pilot you ask yourself “wtf was that?”

    Simply put, they ignored the good bits from SG/SGA, so now SGU is just another me-too soap opera with more special effect.

    Only people who loves SG as a religion will like this pile of crap.

  • rofl, this “nemhauser” person from page2 is obviously a staff member from the show’s company.

    This paragraph just screams “I am a staff member”:
    “I was a little worried of how would (or even if) they incorporate the usage of stargate and the last moments of the pilot made me glad.”

    LOL, you’re glad the stargate was used? I was glad that nonsense was finally over.

  • The unfortunate part is, even if they read these posting from the die-hard fans (who are probably the ones posting), it’s probably too late. My understanding is that the entire first season has already finished shooting? so, no way they can change direction now. Too late.

  • SGU review: 10 reasons Why Stargate universe sucks

    SGU sucked so bad Gateworld is now screening critics and Syfy even turned off new account activation so I am now posting this all over the web.

    1. Wrong name – should have called it “Lost Battlegate Atlantica’s Anatomy Voyager”.

    2. Confusing – Scrambled the sequence with unnecessary flashbacks and cause confusion, this only works if there is a big mystery, not the 15 minutes tiny mystery in SGU (Trying to copy Lost)

    3. Lacks originality – Tried too hard to please everyone and ended up being a pile of nothing. As if the writers are beginners writing their first show, copying a little bit from every popular shows out there and calls it a day.

    4. Trying too hard – Unnecessary sex scene which had nothing to do with anything else and screams “me-too”, to think we’ll buy this crap just because you put it there is quiet insulting (Trying to copy Galatica)

    5. Annoying – Way too much arguments, yes tension is needed between characters, but some idi0t decided it’d interesting for us to see people argue every step of the way (over common sense) from beginning to the end. Dude, just STFU and move on already.

  • 6. Boring – Characters don’t stick, because they’re all average clueless brain damaged amateurs and a loud mouth, everyone hates loud mouths.

    7. Shaky cameras – Dude, stay the **** still.

    8. Careless – With plot holes the size of Texas.

    9. Too greedy – Crossed the fine line between bravery and stupidity, introducing new stuff to reach wider audience is understandable, ditching everything that was good and piss off loyal fans to the brand itself is just plain stupid.

    10. Bad acting – Soulless characters, cardboard acting, but what can you expect from a pilot with a lame script.

    Obviously the guys running this project has the same mentality as the guys who renamed SciFi to Syfy (Syphilis) just to get paid.

    Stargate Un[b]Y[/b]verse sucks.

    If people want ice cream they get ice cream.
    If people want steak they get steak.

    Ice cream and steak don’t mix.

    SGU, Have fun shooting yourselves in the foot.

  • I’m kind of amused by everyone getting upset by characters having sex in SGU’s pilot. I mean SG1′s pilot had Sha’re in a full frontal nude scene if I recall correctly that was far more provocative than anything I saw last night. I don’t think the show was too bad, it was intriguing and I’d like to see where they go with this before I get all bent out of shape. That being said, I do miss SGA though.

  • For me SGU lived upto my expections perfectly. I would say the only part of it that could have been done differently was maybe the flashbacks but aside from that I have no complaints.

    The special effects were much better than that of SG:1 and SGA, I like the way the characters in this are not as perfect as the ones in the other two stargate shows were, lets face it the characters in the previous shows were too good to be true they were almost totally without flaw.

    Here we have people thrown together in a life or death situation most of them though skilled they may not be skilled in the corrects areas, instead of characters who practically dance hand in hand with each other we have characters who are actually human with agenda’s of their own.

    Most of the people who have said that don’t like it or hate it keep on about how much they liked SG1 or Atlantis. Did you not read the posts about what SGA was gonna be??? Did you think that even after being told by multiple sites that SGA was different and grittier that somehow magically is was gonna be a SG:1 or Atlantis remake?? Don’t misunderstand though I loved SG1 and Atlantis and was sorry to see them go, but I didnt watch Universe expecting it to be anything like those shows and consequently I loved it.

    So I’d say all in all brilliant opener, lots of potential I’ll be watching it each week to see how it progresses!

  • kalten, the problem isn’t that the show is not SGA or SG1. That is a strawman.

    The problem is that the show is basically BSG with a Stargate. If you remove the Gate, what was Stargate about it?

  • “The problem is that the show is basically BSG with a Stargate. If you remove the Gate, what was Stargate about it?”

    I totally agree.

  • kalten001:
    “Here we have people thrown together in a life or death situation”

    what? err, “thrown together” is exactly what the problem is.

    rofl, realism? that’s weak, in real life people sleep for hours, visit the toilet, sneeze, cough etc

    Yeah they could probably shoot 45 mins of people sleeping each eps and get more viewers

  • Just want to leave my $0.02. Loved it. Love the direction it’s going in. Love the connections to existing canon. Love the BSG-ness of it. Can’t wait to see how the rest of the season unfolds!

  • I have been reading reviews all over the net this weekend, and the fan/viewer reviews are really bizarre. It’s like people never watched SGA or BSG before. Which isn’t likely, given that many SGAers would have watched SGU’s premiere.

    I suspect there is a lot of spin control going on. 5 weeks from now, that spin is going to be hard to sustain if SGU is still BSG-lite.

  • I really enjoyed your review! I mostly agree with what you had to say…took a little different take on it on my own blog (submitted for your review): http://scienceismagic.com/?p=369

    Didn’t go into as much depth, but more of an overview…the big things I took away were that the won’t be Galactica and it WON’T be voyager. Those were my two big fears and they have so far been laid to rest!

  • They repeated the very same mistake they made in Children of the Gods with that sex scene, even worse to say the least.

    Other than that, the series plot so far seems to be well made, and radically different to what we used to see in the previous series.

  • excuse me “young hip characters” where were they.
    These characters are not hip at all.

    sorry i dont need hip characters but this is just one of the assumptions the writers/producers made about this being a different stargate.

    Did not like any of theses characters, I immediately liked both sg1 and sga characters.

    still i am willing to give it a chance. Keeping my fingers crossed.

  • I can’t believe all you people bashing the show. The first story isn’t even over yet – this is a 3-part 3-hour story the next part of which airs next week. I remember Roger Ebert bashing hell out of the first two Lord of the Rings movies, then when the final film came out, he said “Oh, now I get it!”

    Clearly this show is trying to break away the history of TV shows that hit the “reset button” at the end of every episode. There will be bigger story arcs in this (though probably not to the extent Babylon 5 had). This will require something new of viewers:

    Patience.

    For example, much of the bashing of the so-called “sex scene” is based on the premise that it was gratuitous. We don’t know that yet. We don’t know what kind of relationship these two soldiers have. Given the tension between them a little later in the pilot, it seems clear that the nature of their relationship will be an ongoing plot thread. You’re jumping to conclusions by assuming it was “gratuitous”. (Other bashing of the scene was apparently predicated on the assumption that people don’t have sex and if they do well by golly my children better not know about! Whatever.)

    As to dark, well yes it’s dark. But it HAS TO BE DARK, because that’s an honest story. It would not be honest to have a random bunch of people thrown onto a defective star ship, with noone being stressed out and they magically fix the ship by the end of the episode (the “reset button”). The characters have JUST arrived on this ship, and they are in the middle of a tense situation. I expect there will be dramatic pay-off, but they just haven’t gotten to that part of the story yet.

    Similarly, we know very little about these characters. The producers didn’t take the cheap and easy route of making everyone with the right uniform the “good guy”. There is some ambiguity here. But if done right, that will have substantial payoff down the road as we learn the characters of the people involved. I think back to Babylon 5 where there was a lot of ambiguity. I hope the producers of SGU have paid attention to THAT show for writing and how to properly do character arcs. (BSG completely failed at believable character arcs, because nothing was pre-planned and in fact they pretty routinely made characters act .. well, out of character).

    Some complained about Empire Strikes Back as being “too dark” but they didn’t understand its place as the 2nd act of a 3 act story. Similarly we haven’t seen the 3rd act yet of “Air”.

    Speaking of “air”, it is recommended that those of you who are hyperventilating about how “awful” SGU is, go outside and get some.

    In short, show some friggin patience. This will NOT be another lame episodic reset-button-filled sci-fi series — if we’re lucky.

    Disclaimer: I loved SG-1 as being a light-hearted version of Star Trek that didn’t take itself too seriously (and SG-1 did a much better job with similar story lines). I thought SGA suffered from being repetitive and falling prey to technobabble. I hope SGU takes a different path, because as others have said, honestly, SG-1 and SGA have already been done. There’s no need to do them again.

  • So reading through the comments:

    1. “It’s not “my” stargate anymore. How dare the producers try to target an audience other than me?” I’m sure that the producers are devastated by that news…..

    2. Not seen it yet, but everyone here says it’s a mixture of BSG and Lost, 2 of my favourite shows. Result!

    And yes, I’ve been a big fan of Stargate from the film, through SG1 and into SGA. Doesn’t mean that I can’t appreciate something a bit darker and a bit less optimistic. Sometimes, dare I say it, less saccharine?

  • Okay, so I posted on Saturday, and have since rewatched the episode with some friends and have read the entirety of many pages of forums and reviews.

    Having done so I am confident in my original statement that this was a lame Battlestargate rip off created to appease the SyFy execs that wanted a new Battlestar-styled series. That our beloved producers went along with this is understandable (lots of people depend on them for jobs in a bad economy) albeit lamentable.

    I still say the sex-scene was gratuitous (meaning unnecessary to advance the plot) and I agree with the criticism that if said scene was the beginning of a longer term plot that it is indeed poor writing. Sexual tension can be accomplished by a writer in a clever way without any sexual intercourse at all and, in fact, has been accomplished in Stargate multiple times throughout the SG1 and SGA runs: look to fan favorites Carter and O’Neill for the prime example.

    It was jarring and took me and my family out of the moment and resulted in a lot of distracting discussion because this was not BSG in its execution (events leading up to sex were usually explained or expected) but more like Farscape (scene 1 family friendly, scene 2 two people moaning and thrashing wildly, i.e. unexpected). Furthermore, the fact that it was gratuitous is proven from the fact that so many people are complaining about it. I’m no prude, but we’re already an oversexed society as it is. However, my friends pointed out that the oversexed society may be the point: shows need ratings and sex always seems to sell.

    The sex issue aside, having seen it again I am in agreement with those who see the potential for the premise and I disagree with anyone who could find fault with the acting. I felt for the Armstrong’s tragedy and saw the SG1/SGA sense of humor in Eli and the various technicians. Some of the bewilderment and fear was understandable, yes, even for military personel (humans too last I checked). But I wholeheartedly agree with those who see this pessimistic worldview as antithetical to Stargate: sugary or not, the previous two series were WILDLY successful without delving too deep into the dark.

    I’m left with the fact that this show did not leave me wanting more of it. It left me wanting more SG1 or SGA. No matter how you cut it, that seems to be at least a large minority reaction to this premier and that is a fail for a seasoned franchise like Stargate. The more you turn from a core constituency the more their complaints can harm your brand.

    I’ll withold a final judgment til a few episodes have passed, but knowing what is in store (many of the spoilers released around the net focus on the sexual encounters of the characters including one disturbing one in particular) has me worried.

  • Yeah, I posted earlier too, watched it again, and read more comments than ever regarding all things SG. Nothing changed my initial read of the pilot. I also don’t need to see any more of Battlegate and it’s shakey hack cinematography.

    What I don’t understand is why the military who cleared the script ever approved the unwarranted sex scene and the psycho MSGT.

    I also wonder if the writers put in obnoxious characters in order to keep you watching. I’ll be first in line to push the whining Chloe (AKA Penny) out the airlock.

    But with the bulk of the episodes already filmed, a year of promotion, and the overall carping from the fans, the tea leaves don’t look good for Battlegate at this point. A 5th season of SGA I could have handled.

  • A lot of people have been complaining about the sex scene and I think the problem with it is not that there was a sex scene just that we did not expect one so early in the story without any backstory. I guess the writers did it intentionally to get our attention. It obviously worked. I also hope that there is some future relevancy to why they included it as was mentioned above.

    As to the darker aspects of the show (this is my opinion) I think people are complaining about it because for us stargate has been a time to forget about our daily life and escape to a funnier, lighter world where we dont have to feel the pressures we normally do.

  • everythinggood, I don’t know what you are talking about. People aren’t worried the show is dark, as it is filmed badly, and it rips off the stylings of BSG. Even the flashback sequences were overlit just like BSG flashback sequences.

    It was hard to watch, and the plot is very thin. Add in awkward dialog, from shallow characters, and it’s just not very good TV right now.

    Hopefully the 3rd hour is better. They better not be relying on racy sex scenes, the first one wasn’t very good.

  • Didn’t “BSG” rip off some of the sylings of “Firefly?” What about “SG1″ ripping off Star Trek? How about “Family Guy” parodying and ripping off scores of TV shows and movies? We might as well say Science Fiction in general rips off Science Fiction in general. That message was brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department.

    What I’m trying to say is, Stargate is trying to appeal to new viewers and help fill the void left by BOTH BSG and SGA. It’s also trying to appeal to the older, die-hard fans in all of us. There’s bound to be some stylistic rip-offs, which in my opinion is a relative thought. It is very hard any more to create a totally new, fresh style for anything.

    Though, I guess, since it’s never been done with a major franchise, we could apply some old-school German Expressionism to Stargate. Or perhaps some transcendentalism? Would that make everyone happy? It’d be TOTALLY different from anything else we’ve ever seen on television.

    Of course, I jest. That would be RIDICULOUS.

  • The negative comments attached to this article are both amusing and frustrating. The most frustrating thing is that most of Universe’s critics seemed intent on hating the show based on internet rumors and their own pre-conceived prejudices long before the show ever aired!

    Was the SGU premiere perfect? No. But it was a very strong start, and few (if any) programs were brilliant from episode #1. I can understand a certain amount of bitterness about the canceling of Atlantis. (That’s just how I felt after SG-1 left the air). But let’s be honest with ourselves, Atlantis, while still good, was a show that was clearly faltering in its last two seasons. And in today’s television climate, 5 years is a very respectable run.

    As for the argument that the mystical ‘powers that be’ are throwing SG-1 and Atlantis to the wolves in order to fund Universe, that’s just silly. If they didn’t care about SG-1, Brad Wright and Robert Cooper wouldn’t have given us two amazing SG-1 movies all while Universe was in pre-production. In addition, the reality is that the Stargate creative team can’t just do whatever they want whenever they want. MGM and SyFy are holding the pursestrings, and as a recent interview on this site shows, the creative staff are not at liberty to just shut down one project to fund another.

    Of course, if you don’t like Universe, then you don’t like Universe. I would just hope the reasons for your criticism add up to more than it not being SG-1 or Atlantis. Personally, I thought the Universe premiere was a strong start that offered intriguing possibilities for future stories. I may not like it as much SG-1 (one of my all-time favorite shows) or I may like it more than Atlantis (not one of my all-time favorite shows, although fun to watch), but I’ll have to see a few of them before I know for sure. Maybe we’ll all be surprised.

    Another interesting note: while someone just looking at the comments here might think that Universe was poorly received by fans, one has only to look at the overwhelmingly positive results of Gateworld’s poll and the premiere’s high ratings to see that true public opinion is not necessarily reflected by the cranky few who feel the need to bitterly complain online.

  • Untidy. Unstable. Unwieldy. Boring editing.

    Besides, need new a new music composer. Stargate music scores always weak, mediocre with cliche scores. (I have suggestion for composer: Stuart Chatwood)

  • While I enjoyed it as a good BSG-SG-ST-LOST sci fi, the thing that REALLY stood out for me, was that this show made me realise how incredibly great SG-1 and SGA were. Those two shows are far superior in everyway to Universe (which is still very good). I came away with a feeling that what we had in SG-1/SGA is something we will never again see. StarGate is dead. This new StarGate is a great show, which I will enjoy, but I`m sad for what we have lost.

  • I am an old Stargate fan from the movie, SG1 and SGA. I was sad when they ended and really looked forward to SGU. The trailers were excellent and piqued my interest, but I was trying to see it as a standalone show with ‘fresh eyes’.

    I loved the show. Loved Eli and how he ‘related’ to the Kino. So funny. I do like the way the Kino can be used to reflect reactions from a different view.

    Also loved when when Rush was erasing a whiteboard and Eli yells ‘Save! Save!’ like you would if you were on a computer.

    Yes, Lou Diamond Philips bit was not even a cameo, where was Teal’c and there were plot holes the size of a Supergate, but I was just so happy to see how the new plotline was new.

    Oh, if I heard Chloe say ‘DAD!’ one more time I was going to hurl. I don’t care if ‘DAD!’ is dying, the sound hurt my ears.

    Sadly, too, for me, I completely agreed with Dr. Rush not expressing grief over the Senator’s death, there are other things to do and other ways to honor the sacrifice he made.

    Love the sets and costuming, except Rush’s vest, it looks itchy and he looks uncomfortable in it.
    Chloe’s coat doesn’t fit well either.

    And the ‘sex scene’ is not for kids but you grownups are just jealous. Plus she was REALLY faking or it was just really bad acting. Remember ‘When Harry Met Sally’.

    But I still want to see more…so there.

  • Hello fellow gaters! I must be honest…SGU initially looks like Stargate meets Lost meets Battlestar Galactica (geared towards fans of workplace drama and reality TV). For me, the endings of SG-1 and SGA were like having close friends take off on long journeys only to have the excitement of their return quashed by the news that my friends have returned with terminal illnesses for which the cure is experimental requiring a painful extraction of my stem cells in order to test. I am willing to give this experiment a try but if symptoms worsen (e.g. more gratuitous sex and whiny annoying characters) then I will be among the first to show some “tough love”, bid my friends farewell, and thank the Ancients for my DVD collections of SG-1 and Atlantis :-).

  • Well yes I am the biggest hypocrite known to man because I gave in an just watched tonight out of curiosity yes Air part one, admittedly I did start out watching just to see if it was as truly bad I as I thought it might be an if what I had being reading about it over the last few days were true. I truly am amazed at HOW BAD this is obviously this is just my personal opinion.

    But I don’t honestly think I have seen anything this bad in ages, now this is actually not based on the plot, actors or effects that much. No it’s a lot to do with the way its been filmed:

    The acting ranges from mediocre to down right poor
    The effects for the money they spent NOT IMPRESSIVE
    Barely any plot
    Too dark
    Score was second rate, which surprised me as SG music is normally amazing
    BORING as hell
    Characters are pathetic an NONE are either likable or believable

    All the above are bad yes but they are fixable, acting “could” improve, hopefully there could end up being some sort of plot with some GOOD writing. Effects well I just don’t know on that a lot of money has already been spent so maybe not so fixable, still shocked about the score but hopefully that could get better. Same as the boring element, it was so tedious the word dull just doesn’t seem to be enough to describe it. As for the character, well they couldn’t get any worse so again hopefully they could only get better, though honestly I doubt there is one that would ever be what you could describe as likeable.

    Second group of issues:

    Cinematography
    Lighting
    Colour
    Camera

    NONE of these are fixable because its already been filmed so that’s done an dusted, its too dark, an its like someone turned down the colour the camera OMFG jerky annoying cringe worthy.

    Within less than 10 minutes my head had started to hurt, it didn’t look totally in focus at times, it hurt my eyes because off all the shaking about, though thankfully no nauseas so that’s a plus point . At one point I actually thought there was something wrong with my TV because it just looked for want of a better word weird. Seriously the style I don’t know what’s up with that because it just didn’t look right or normal I just don’t know what it was but it was so off.

    The only relief was when the commercial breaks came on, yes the ads were a god send, it showed me my TV was fine the colour settings were fine an it was clear an still an actually gave my head an eyes a break THANK GOD for the ads . Even if I had liked this show there is NO WAY I could watch that style of cinematography week in week out. I had no intention of watching Air pt 2 because Sci Fi UK had WH13 on at 9 BUT if this first part had been any good I would thought about watching it tomorrow. It wasn’t so I wont an I wont be revisiting an watching this bloody awful show EVER again. My head was splitting by the end of the first hour so much so I have taken 3 nurofen an its really spoilt WH13 episode an it’s the one with Joe F so I think I’m gonna have watch that again later to really enjoy, thankfully the headache tablets are now working.

    Truly the worse pilot I think I have ever watched, I hated BSG with a passion BUT frankly if I had to choose to watch SGU or BSG I think god help me BSG would win. As for the sex scene well not sure I thought it was supposed to be in the first part but if it was I missed it. I think it was cut out but I guess could be either it was one of the times when I had my eyes closed because they hurt or its in the second part of the pilot ?. I’m the sort of person who if I do give a pilot a go it has to wow me from the get go if it doesn’t I don’t rewatch an I don’t continue to see if it proves itself along the line, I just leave an walk away. My initial reaction with this was it wasn’t going to be my thing an my gut instinct was right.

  • Listen guys, I think most people are bitter mainly because of Atlantis’ cancellation. I quite liked this pilot, although the show in general will take some getting used to.

    Everyone is making a HUUUUGE deal about the “porn” well, I hate to break it to you all but people have sex. In real life, in TV, it happens. We may not want to see it and we may think it’s not appropriate for a “kids’ show” but when has Stargate ever been aimed at the 10 year-old demographic?

  • Has anyone else wondered where Telford is ? does he appear in the 3 ep cause I am UK bound so thats not on till next week. Wasn’t he last (heard) seen flyin off on the planet ? how does he get on the destiny ?

    Loved SG1 and SGA but things can stay the same folks, I think SGU may get a tiny bit dull (ergo that stupid LOST) but it’s still really cool and it’s the only STARGATE we are gonna get for a while.

  • I call Telford Lou Diamo… cuz poof! he’s gone. I definitely have seen him in future scenes so he is probably body-swapping with someone. I went to get a drink when the body-swap thing went on with Rush and the stones, so had to watch again to really get it. That and a few other things. Plus I’m a few shy of a full deck right now. ;)

  • I Loved SG1 and SGA but SGU has to be the worst
    spinoff in history.
    if you wonted to make a soap opera, make one
    just don’t call it stargate.
    first off I hate flash backs. The show never gave you time to know the stars or their back grounds. I quess I’ll just hope for another SG movie…..

  • OK, well some people said we shouldn’t judge this spinoff’s pilot until the conclusion of the third hour, which aired tonight in the U.S. So I decided, even though I HATED parts 1 & 2, to watch. It was rubbish!

    Continuous bad acting, bad writing (they even managed to make Jack O’Neill sound boring), and horrible characters constantly at each others’ throats. There is no military order, no social order, no civility, and no respect for others’ humanity. I mean that one military guy (don’t know his name – the one who was in prison at the beginning) threatens to kill the doctor by putting a gun in his face, kicking him, denying him water – what the hell? The same solid citizen shoots a scientist and when asked why he said, “He told me to.” That was BS, the guy is a violent, sadistic, angry jerk of a character and he was probably happy to inflict pain on another human being. In other words, he’s an entirely too-real example of the pathetic state of the average America in this day and age. A bunch of pent-up rage-aholics worked up into a seeing red tizzy after a decade of war. This drek is not what I want to sit through after a long trying week. I want something uplifting, or at least entertaining, like SG-1 and SGA, not some depressing piece of junk filled with the garbage of the real world. Just like last week, watching this left my wife and I feeling upset and agitated, not happy about enjoying a good viewing experience.

    That’s it, I’m done, game over. I am not watching this crappy show anymore and I hope it gets canceled soon, very soon, as every horribly episode taints the memory of SG-1 and SGA. With BSG I just chose not to watch, but with this show I’m going to begin writing to SyFy/NBC calling for it to be canceled because as a matter of principle it offends me that they would call this crap Stargate.

    Shame on you Brad Wright, Robert C. Cooper and SyFy for destroying the SG legacy.

  • I’ve been trying to keep a open mind about this new spin off as I’ve been a fan of SG1 since the beginning. Even SGA was tolerable. But this SU is…it’s been said many times over…part BSG, part Voyager, part LOST and WAAAAAAAY too much soap opera drama. I understand wanting to “expand the Stargate horizon”….pleease!!! I for one am 41, married with children…if I wanted drama I’d just as well turn off the TV and listen the ball/chain and inlaws. I like SciFi for it’s creative, unique storytelling as in the “original” SG1 formula…to ESCAPE the everyday REALITY of the 21st Century. Everybody that has seen the original series would agree with me. It stood out “because” it was different. Giving the audience time to grow with the characters is one thing…but I have to agree with the fella that stated this show’s writers/producers have accomplished in turning even the mighty Jack into a stuffy person devoid of his once whimsical personality. These new characters seems so full of themselves that and the constant flashback/forward bs…just so we the audience can “realte” to the characters?! I had to watch the original opener TWICE to understand exactly what was going on…well; falling asleep the first time due to the dullness didn’t help either the first time around. All the humor seems to be on the shoulders of that new fat kid that started at home playing video games. The homely looking emo girl with so much drama she needed to use them oversized M&M communication stones to talk to mommy..who could blame her? You might as well just rename this version as another BSG..but with a nifty little Stargate. I sincerely hope this AND that “Sanctuary” bs show both die a quick and rather painful death. Just concentrate on producing more SG1/SGA movies instead. Quit while you’re ahead.

  • You guys are stuck in the past. SG1 and SGA are over. Nutin’ you can do. The new show CAN’T be a repeat. O’Neil is serious because the situation and series is serious. Just don’t watch it. I’m sure there are others out there who will and it will gain a cult following. Three hours is no way to judge a whole series, however.

    Math Boy was GREAT AGAIN. Scott, Greer and Telford shined (is that right grammatically?) The situation and intensity was top notch. I’d put it up there with any feature film I’ve seen.

    I DO agree that the girl is really just bad, but you know there are people out there in the real world just like that. Real people who are bad actors in real life…hmmm. I’m still gonna watch.

  • The true test, I guess, is if you would watch it even if SG1 or SGA were still on. I say a resounding YES! I rank it as #1 on my DVR list and would not change it for anything. Carlyle is awesome, Blue, Smith, etc. (except for Daddy’s Girl) is just thru the roof. PS: I don’t work for, nor am I related to anyone associated with the show.

  • Seems as if people hates this show because 1. It isn’t “family” enough 2. There’s conflict between characters.

    Well I hate to break it to SG1 and SGA fans but the show didn’t last 10 seasons because it was “family” oriented or even because characters were all happy and helping each other. The later season plots when examined closely are superficial and weak, and the Wraith as bad guys were pathetic compared to Goa’uld. No, what held SG1 and SGA together was *humor*.

    Human beings are angry, frightened, rash, irrational and competitive creatures. Now SGU decides to show that part of human beings and somehow SGU is *less* believable than SG1 and SGA? Of course not. It is simply not a constant stand-up comedy routine breaking the third wall like SGA and SG1 always did. I would buy the “soap opera” criticisms if the military guys were disobeying orders, at each other’s throats and so on. But they’re not.

    So instead of funny one-liners like SGA and SG1 SGU decides to show actual human emotions. A change for the better if you ask me, and is more believable to anyone except die hard SG1 and SGA fans (or perhaps the kinds of people who deal with difficult situations with sarcasm or humor all the time and think this is “normal” human reaction). One more note. Some people are comparing SGU to Star Trek. SG1 and SGA became Star Trek long ago when they introduced transporters, set piece battles with capital ships, bubble shields and Carter-no-babble saving the day. It was just masked with humor so nobody noticed it. At least SGU is 1. more cinematic 2. more focused on gate travel so in those ways it is *more* like the original vision of Stargate than later seasons of SG1 and SGA.

    As well, SGU has little in common with Star Voyager (at least so far): they already have contact with Earth and civilians are being treated like civilians and not instantly promoted to commissioned ranks.

  • So the review was positive. Ashame. This show is officially NOT GOOD…yet. Where to begin – how about the “character interaction that makes them human.” Terrible. There is no connection to any of these characters because all of them have the personality of a stool. The lieutenant main character (whose name I can’t even remember after three episodes) has no personality. I guess they tried to develop it with lines like “I won’t let everyone else down like i let you down” or “when i was four both my parents died in a car crash.” Good lord, talk about cliche. Eli, the comic relief, isn’t funny. The african american soldier (again no name because he isn’t worth one) is one of the most two dimensional characters I’ve ever seen. The only character worth anything seems to be Rush, but even still i am not impressed. and the acting…ugh…the only place it is this bad are the made for tv SCIFI movies. This show is exhibiting everything that is wrong with television. Science fiction show with no science fiction (what the heck was that sand in the desert that magically brought water to our dear lieutenant?) or explanations. And i guess they tried to make it sexy? heres a hint for television writers out there…throwing in a random sex scene for no reason has no value whatsoever. bleh. i think i am done here. cheesy, cliche, bad acting, no scifi (or very little with no explanation), no character attachment or development…i am so disappointed as i have been a fan of stargate since the movie and (get ready for true nerddom) i own every season of every stargate. i enjoy character development when its done properly and i enjoy characters that have personality..I will give this show another chance but my prediction is that this is the “star trek: enterprise” of stargate. oh and i also challenge every single one of those “actors” to an act off because i can act circles around all of you.

  • *spoiler*
    To adamsasso: looks like you need an acting job. Easy to throw stones. If you were really an actor we would see YOU on the screen in SGU. Again jealousy rears its ugly head…plus i have seen some stools with GREAT personality. And “done properly”? Is there a rule book we all don’t know about?

    Eli is HILARIOUS! “I have a gun” and “Damn you all to hell”. So is Rush’s line: “a day at the beach”…priceless!

    Greer, (oh my, he HAS a name, or MR. Jamil Smith to you) the “african american” …ahem… soldier is great because he is so unpredictable. First kicking Rush then following Rush’s order to shoot Franklin “because he (Rush) said so.”

    SGU is a different animal than SG1 or SGA. Some will like it and some won’t. I’m just sayin’…

  • I watched the third part of “Air” in the vain hope that it would be an improvement and make it worth tuning in to more SGU episodes. It was not.

    The characters span the range from bland to unlikable. Frankly, I like to watch people come together in teams and triumph against adversity, but these characters appear to have no common bond, don’t trust each other, and are constantly at each other’s throats. Sure, this sort of thing happens sometimes in real life, but it is unlikely to be the characteristic of people originally selected to participate in a dangerous off-world project. These people weren’t just plucked randomly from the street as the script sometimes suggests.

    Worse, the story line is boring. A few characters that we don’t really know well enough to care about (unless, like Rush, we already hate them) trudge through the barren white sands looking for an evaporating lake bed while complaining about the heat and lack of water.

    The lead lieutenant — what is this guy’s name? — has a hallucination of a priest that raised him in an orphanage. Hmm. Except for the severely disabled, the US abandoned orphanages in favor of foster care over a generation ago. Why did the writers need to reach for the cliche of the alcoholic priest?

    Meanwhile, back on the ship “Destiny”, a dark characterless dungeon, nothing of interest was happening, while back on earth we were treated to a scene of an ossified General O’Neill mouthing platitudes and another alcoholic scene of a senator’s widow. Seems like that the show’s producers have not only slashed the budget for the special effects, but they are using entry-level script writers as well.

    Thumbs down on a very poorly acted, written, designed, music scored, and produced show.

  • Am I the only person here who likes Stargate and Battlestar Galactica? I love the direction that Universe has taken.
    Here’s a newsflash for everyone: THIS IS NOT SG1 OR ATLANTIS. It’s a new series.
    Stop hating it because it’s not a new series of Atlantis. Atlantis and SG1 weren’t getting the viewing figures when they were cancelled. People didn’t like them. They were getting dull. Naff. Cheesy, even, and definitely predictable. I liked them, but I would watch Atlantis and think “that was fun”, then I’d watch Galactica and I’d care about the characters and think “that was amazing”. Atlantis and SG1 were 90′s shows, doing TV like it was still 1997 and trying to be light entertainment, and it was outclassed by emotionally involving, deep, provocative television. Welcome to the 21st Century, Stargate. I know you’re late, but I’m glad you’re still on-board and trying to stay fresh.
    Can’t wait for the next episodes of Universe, there’s real potential here, and I’m looking forward to getting to know some characters instead of getting to know what buttons Rodney will press to outwit the Wraith this week.

  • All this talk of other shows is completely pointless, so im going to judge SGU’s 3rd episode on it’s own merits. This said i have god and bad points from my opinion so ill list them: on the good side Eli is very funny, and his sunburn was hilarious looking :D. Colonel Young seems like he will be the back bone of the series, very professional and dedicated although i worry if his injuries/fits etc. will impede his role. I loved the kino very cool, id like to see more cool technology soon, and (spoiler) the end part where Eli is “holding the gate” was very well acted and the tension was very good. On the flip side, i agree with people who say Chloe’s character is waaaay over the top, with some boring melo-drama when she visits her mother (yawn), Scott is very like Data (star trek next generation) he has no personality and his speech sounds slurred, like he’s talking with his mouth full or something, can’t quite put my finger on it… Rush is annoying and weasly, i agreed with Greer that he should have manned up and stoppped whining, when it was obvious that Greer would need his water to go and rescue Data after he flopped at the dry riverbed and on top of that, he’s the only one who really knows the ships systems, very bad combination if you ask me. So without writing a full review, i’ll say that there are positive and negative to consider, but the same could be said of SG1, a small example: in Children of the gods, whats the likelihood of O’neill and Tealc single handedly taking out around 9 or 10 serpent guards, then managing to eliminate 2 Gouald death gliders, before escaping…. LOL, it was about as far fetched as i’ve ever seen on SG1, but i still watched every episode of it and have multiple times, also every ep of Atlantis and all films so far including the original, and you could follow the timelines pretty much the same, both SG1 and Atlantis started out rusty and clueless but towards the end of season 1 on both series, we were fully immersed and captured by them, i hope i can say by the end of the series that i feel the same. As for now i’ll see how this progresses before making a final judgement of whether SGU measures up to SG1 and Atlantis :)

  • Im not sure how to start with this comment I found all 3 to be of excellent visual quality and i enjoyed it as the 3 eps seemed to blow over quick not drag out and even for those who think it was slow and boring pilot i thought it was well thought out. After watching and being an avid fan of Voyager and Stargate there whole viewing lives i think this is really the only path that Universe could take everything else has been pretty much done and not all with Success ie Atlantis even though it was really good and i was disappointed to see it and SG1 fold up. I am disappointed to see the technology and action side of things come to a crawl in place of better drama and more visually appealing environments but WE NEED NEW TECHNOLOGY, NEW ENEMIES AND MORE OF THE OLD SG1 & ATLANTIS MIXED IN HERE SOMEHOW!
    If it continues down this path without any exciting new technology or common enemies to keep us all enthrawled as the SG1 and Atlantis did then it could lose a lot of long time fans of the show.

  • It seems to me that a lot of people posting the negative comments were hoping that SGU was going to be SG1 or SGA version 2.0. “Wa wa wa, this is NOTHING like the previous two series…waaa!”
    Holy crap people, the whole point of making a new series is to do something NEW without totally ignoring the legacy from which it spawned from. And so far, SGU has done this and has so far been a refreshing and entertaining addition to the genre. The characters are believable in their strengths and flaws, and the show as a whole seems to be progressing as it should be considering the situation they are in.
    When I saw the first advertisement for this series, I was like, “Oh god! Not another one!”, considering how dissapointed I was with how SGA wrapped up its last two seasons. But so far after watching the first three episodes, I have been quite pleased and am very hopeful that SG Universe will breath life back into this franchise that I have loved so much in the past.
    I am really looking forward to see what discoveries await the new crew of the Destiny, seeing that even though the ship is freakin old, the Ancients would have made sure that everything they would ever need would be on the ship to begin with (food, sanitation, medical, items to repair the ship, and any other items required for the ship to be self-sustaining). Now whether or not these things still work? That is the next question.
    To me, the only reason why anyone should be dissapointed in the show so far is that the episodes are only 1 hour!!

  • hip hip horray mortock42! the new crew still has to open even one crate that the Ancients left. Won’t that be a cool process. Maybe they left some PAINT for all those who don’t like the darkness. I like it (the darkness) the way it is and the task should be wayyyy down the list.

  • Oh…still…what was the watch the Senator was wearing!!!??? anyone? i found out the sunglasses for another viewer so…please a little help here!

  • I think the idea SyFy had was to get both the former Stargate fans and BSG fans to watch Stargate Universe. They failed by making the characters unlikable, lacking a sense of humor except for the young heavy science guy, and nobody trusting each other. Basically the characters aren’t actually behaving like typical people.

    I had heard that this Stargate was supposed to be about relationships between the characters. I guess that means constant arguing, never smiling, never laughing, over-reacting (Ronald Greer constantly pointing his gun at people), complaining, whining, and not cooperating.

    I’m sure there will be some people that will like the new show, people that like soap opera’s, but as for me it’s disappointing so far. There’s a number of reasons I stopped watching BSG and the new Stargate Universe appears to have many of the same issues that caused me to switch to a different channel.

  • to justmehere: awww come on. i know LOTS of people who act just like that. Dr. Rush is just like all the programmers/science guys i have worked with. Greer is just like an uncle with ptsd. plus the circumstances are extreme. how do you know how you will react to that. i only watched BSG the last season and some of it was off-putting, but i don’t see that here. it’s only been 3 hours. the characters still have to ‘gel’ with each other. and according to other reports *spoiler?* there will be other aliens and other circumstances that may get you watching. keep at it…

  • I read the comments hoping for some intelligent comments on SGU, but there was very little of that, which disappoints me.

    I loved SGU. To be honest, I was unsure what to think about Air pt1 and 2, but I bought pt3 off of iTunes (I’m studying in Europe at the moment) in the hope that it would be worth it. It was.

    You’re right, SGU is not quite what we’re used to. It’s more character driven. I was hoping for a little more humor, but the writers have focused on making things plausible. Let’s face it, there is very little to laugh at in their initial situation. As the characters become more accustomed to their situation, it will only make sense for them to loosen up.

    Remember, kids, we’re getting more SG-1 and SGA eventually. Those movies are planned. But I liked those series for the characters, not the camera work or the plot. And I think these characters have just as much potential to endear myself to me. Eli is obvious, but Greer has stepped up as well. I may even like Rush some day.

    Now I watched Battlestar and I loved the series for its storytelling. I liked Stargate for something entirely different. This is nothing like BSG. It is very much like Firefly, a series that grittier, yes, had sex scenes and “crazy” camera work, but was real and endearing and humorous. If anything is like Voyager, just look at Atlantis. Initially trapped in another galaxy without a way home, but having very few survival issues aside from the occasional Wraith threat. I liked those too.

    Have a little variety in your TV shows, people.

  • I think I know how to make the ultimate kick-ass bestest Stargate show ever:

    First, why pay a bunch of know-nothing writers? They should just read the internet bulletin boards and write down all the good ideas. The money they save can be used to make a Stargate Atlantis movie. Plus, they can cancel the new series and just bring back Atlantis (even though neither SyFy nor MGM wants to do that)

    Second, they should make the kind of story fans want. Real fans hate shows that are derivative of other shows (BattleGate Galactica, anyone?). Therefore, they should only make a show that is exactly like SG-1 or Atlantis.

    Third, having characters in their 20′s is a sell-out. They only want mature older actors like Michael Shanks (Daniel Jackson), Jewel Staite (Dr. Keller) and Jason Mamoa (Ronon). (Editor’s note: all these actors were in their 20′s when they first appeard on StarGate.) Also, it is highly unrealistic that frontline soldiers would be in their late teens or early 20′s, so we should only have teams with members in their 50′s and 60′s like Richard Dean Anderson)

    Sex is inherently bad and should never be shown on screen or even mentioned. Darkness is inherently bad and should never be used. Documentary style camera work is inherently bad and should never be used.

    Stories that center on the inter-personal relationships between characters are boring. They should do more stories like SG-1. By the way, what we loved about SG-1 was the relationship between the characters.

    Also, leaving things open to interpretation is very confusing and makes the viewer have to think. Thinking is hard. Everything should be stated and shown explicitly with no possibility of different interpretations. Also, everything that is going to happen in the entire season should be made obvious by the end of the first episode.

    If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Once something is established that makes the fans happy, it should never ever be changed. All future plots, characters, and production techniques will be recycled indefinitely.

    There you have it. Some easy guideline to make the perfect StarGate series.

    P.S. I am being sarcastic. A lot of unimaginative viewers on this site seem to be very adverse to ambiguity or subtlety of any kind. By the way, the loudest people on the internet are only a very small minority of the actual viewers of the show, most of which are very happy with what they’ve seen. Viewership of Universe went UP from week 1 to week 2. Congrats to the producers on making an intelligent, interesting program.

  • Cupermacleod,

    Sarcasm understood, I agree with the statment: “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

    Nobody claims that front line soldiers aren’t in their 20s.

    What you don’t understand is that nobody is against young soldiers in stargate .. quite the contrary, we welcome it. (Of course, they need a certain maturity to have TOP SECRET clearance to see a gate. Certainly not army Privates)

    The problem right now, is that the core SG1 and SGA fan base would much rather enjoy SGU if they toned down the teen drama and cranked up the sci-fi and action.

    It’s super simple. We all WANT TO enjoy the show, but some of us can’t because, well, because we don’t like that drama trumped the good ol’ sci-fi action in SGU.

    NOBODY wants a new series to be identical to an old one. What most old fans want is a series that demonstrates basic character interactions (like SG1 and SGA’s use of humour) and specializes in Science Fiction.

    We just want SCI FI. That’s all man.


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