Congratulations “Stargate: Universe”!!! Great start!!!

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Agreed. Watched the free iTunes download and that helped. A LOT. Still gonna watch it on Fridays, though.

Low ratings for a low-rate network. SyFy destroys everything it touches eventually. Ron Moore saw that and pulled BSG before it could happen. Then SyFy commissioned Battlestargate Universica to finally put an end to Stargate for good.

This show was a well-acted but otherwise thinly veiled cheap shot at replicating Battlestar Galactica complete with unnecessary gratuitous sex scene. Bad form all around.

@Orion Coran: This came to us today in a Syfy press release. We’re just passing it along.

@Darren: Alright. Last time I read stuff was earlier today so I wasn’t sure if that Syfy press release came out or not.

@Darren: Also, I just wanted to say I hope I didn’t come off as being rude and if I did, it wasn’t my intention to. While I am a bit upset, I jumped the gun before reading the article a bit more as well as around the net a bit more. :)

wow – not such a great number for a premiere…

Best premiere in 4 years and beat out a show on one of the 4 big networks, sounds good to me. Especially considering Stargate has been around a long time.

So SGA got cancelled for a show that only received marginally better ratings, even with the big budget and big names. So maybe the previous Stargate shows weren’t all that stale and all they needed was a bit of good writing. What have the producers actually achieved here. The SGU premier only did slightly better than the 5th year ratings of SGA. So much for appealing to a wider audience. If the Premier gets such disappointing ratings I can only imagine what the ratings will be like at the end of the season.

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Ain’t it cool news has the break down of the shows on the major networks, SGU was only beaten by one show(Medium 1.8), granted this is still very low for a series premier, at least its not just SGU that has lower than expected ratings.

I’m not sure how much they have spent making and advertising this new series, but you’d think they’d want better numbers than this to justify its replacing a dependable workhorse like SGA.
The return on investment can’t be that terrific; if they say that the ratings for SGA were not enough to continue that show, the demo’s (younger skew) for this one had better be great!

concur with Jack Bauer. I think SGU will kill the franchise on T.V. The only hope is resurrection through SG-1/SGA movies.

SGU, to me, is just writer mental master***tion. Just dudes that got bored and want to psyco-analyze a bunch of seriously flawed human beings… I hated BSG… and this is just a copy. It’s too bad they didn’t follow the writing style of SG1 and SGA.

I guarantee ratings will be below 1.0 before end of season.

The commercials were painfully noticeable and towards the end I was missing chunks of the show while I flipped between stations… and I didn’t even really notice or miss anything, aside from crying, yelling, and panicking here and there it seems.

I’m going to rewatch it via iTunes as others here have said that it flowed much better and I do want to give SGU a chance.

That said, I’m really not digging this over-emphasis on personal drama, it is making me more scared that this really is shaping up to be a soap opera in space ala BSG.

I can’t believe how little time was spent on that 9th chevron for example… okay, it’s a “code”.. because Earth was the original point of origin… Still makes zero sense with the rest of Stargate theory and how the last symbol is your location.. But it was just kinda zoomed over by identifying it as a “code” to activate the gate… I don’t know, I really dug the mythology/history and sci-fi from the other series because they were always well explained in fun and reasonable ways for a sci-fi show.

But this might not be a sci-fi show, it might just be a soap. So we’ll see I guess. All I know is a I hate this pessimistic feeling towards anything involving the Stargate :.(

Ah, welcome to how Star Trek’s jaded viewership manage to get that canceled.

You know guys, Atlantis is never coming back and all the whining in the world won’t make it happen, so driving SGU into the dirt just to spite TPTB will only hurt you all in the end.

dude you need to understand it does not matter if stargate SG-1 or SGA is not going to come back we are just saying that this is taking away the flair of stargate season example of why iam disappointed about stargate u 1 why is there a fricking time limit that is stupid i understand it is on autopilot and can not be stoped but really. they used to do it so that it would somewhat be realistic but really 12 hours to explore a plant. i mean what happens when they get captured the escape with in 20 seconds and get home that is stupid. 2 now funny characters all the other stargates had a really funny vibe this does not. 3 why would you send a unmanned spaceship into the universe and not stock it with repair supplies i know they can get what they need on other planets but i will bring back my 1st ex the time limit.all i am saying is that they need to fix’s they parts that need to be fixed

Great news i really enjoyed it. It was a cross between voyager and Battlestar galactica for me!!!

Well, I loved it.
And I live in Australia where we never get much good television, its all crime shows and reality tv and I really, really didn’t like BSG.
I thought they did a fantastic job, I’m just so happy that there is another SciFi out there now that I can look forward to.
When it gets here to Australia they’ll show it at some ungodly hour of the night. Which is so stupid.
So…I really…really hope it goes well, I just want a good tv show. I’m so sick of all the sodden, depressing crud on tv at the moment.
Good job! Can’t wait for the next one!!!

To be honest SGU is meant to open up Stargate to a new people. So those who still can’t get over that Atlantis and SG-1 are gone can kindly leave and watch something else unless they have such a poor life that they have nothing better to do than to bash a television program.

SGU will gain more than enough fans to replace those who stop watching. And it wouldn’t surprise me if it becomes a much bigger success than BSG was.

“You know guys, Atlantis is never coming back and all the whining in the world won’t make it happen, so driving SGU into the dirt just to spite TPTB will only hurt you all in the end.”

Hurt how, exactly? You said yourself that Atlantis is done. No really, I want to see you try and explain your way out of this one, lol.

I want to say that I’ve been a fan of Stargate since the first book was released that started the movie. I’ve followed the whole series from SG-1 to SGA and the SG-1 movies and I love what they did with Universe. I think of it as stages.

SG-1 was the older brother who was had it all. Humor, seriousness and maturity. SGA was the middle brother, full of humor and dotted with seriousness that he learned from his brother. SGU, I look at it as the younger brother. New and confused about the world. The creators just evolved the franchise into something bigger. We can see the world for what it is; dark and serious. I like that we can go through the Gate in this series and see how -we- as real people would react in this world. It’s interesting. People can complain all they want about how SGA was ended because the creators and producers wanted to work on this series, which would have a bigger budget.

However, I am annoyed with how it feels like BSG-Light with some of the characters. Even Dr. Rush reminds me of Balter where Lt. Scott reminds me of a combination of Lee and Karl. But, given that a premiere doesn’t -make- the show, I’m giving it some leeway until I at least see part three and the fourth episode. As a premiere, they fell flat. It feels like it belonged somewhere in the middle of the season rather then the start.

I’m still going to watch it so the series and the world of Stargate can -stay- alive. So SyFy will see that the franchise is still loved and watched so we can not only get our SGA movies but new SG1 movies.

It’s just a tone. They wanted SGU, in my opinion to make the viewer feel like if you were there in the situation this is how you would react.

I have been an SG1 fan for years and was disenfranchised with Atlantis because I felt like it lacked the intensity that made SG1 so amazing. Having said thatI greatly enjoyed Universe as a change for the better from Atlantis and am looking forward to the next episode.

I hate this trend of ‘modernised’ characters that are sterotypical, one-dimensional and at times plain boring: Angry black man with a chip on his shoulder, authoritive polly who takes his own life, the thrusted hero, the scientist with his personal agenda (ie. Baltar).

I loved Stargate for its sense of adventure, I feel none of it with SGU. Hopefully once the group start exploring, we might get some actual exposition going.

@ fonzolo –
Those ratings at Ain’t It Cool are for the 18-29 demographic only. SGU had 1.12 viewers in that demographic, which means most of the major network shows beat it. It actually was no higher than 8th in this demographic. However, it did manage to beat Smallville, Dollhouse, and reruns of the Forgotten and Flash Forward in this demographic.

The only shows that SGU beat overall on Friday night were Dollhouse, Till Death, and America’s Top Model. It didn’t even manage to beat the reruns of Flash Forward and The Forgotten.

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Just for the sake of comparison – Sanctuary, which costs Syfy much less money to produce, debuted around this time last year with 2.7 million viewers and a 2.2. rating.

I liked the premiere. But unless the ratings stay steady or pick up a bit, I really can’t see Syfy and MGM shelling out that much money for a second season. If they drop off much, I would bet that the show will not get renewed.

Seriously if they had continued with the same premise that they did for SG-1 and Atlantis then the franchise would be ran into the ground as its been done before and would easily get old. They don’t need a 3rd show that will copy the story-lines of the 2 previous ones.

They also didn’t want a show that would appeal only to Stargate fans. They wanted to create a one that newcomers to the franchise could watch and understand which SGU does well.

Atlantis and SG-1 are gone and nothing will bring them back as a TV series. So please if you didn’t like SGU just go watch something else and stop whining about it.

@tanith, They didn’t NEED a third show to begin with. Didn’t want a show a show that didn’t appeal to Stargate Fans?? (I think you should stop pushing the Q-tips in your ears, when you feel the resistance) Then why the HECK did they call it STARGATE: “whatever”??? All what the Pilot did was jump around like a schizophrenic psychopath wih Attention Deficit Syndrome. And since this is a “FORUM” you are in no position to ask anyone to go away. so in other words.. bite me..

Sorry, I don’t buy into the hostage theory that darkelfa spouts. Watch this or you won’t get an Atlantis movie! Watch this or you won’t get any more Stargate! I’m not playing that little game and nor should any other fan. You’ve bought into the idea that if a show fails it’s the viewers’ fault for not being interested, not that it’s the producers’ fault for putting out a show that doesn’t interest viewers. Just another apologist way to absolve TPTB of any responsibility.

Who are you people?

If you think the failure of SGU is going to help get a SGA/SG1 movie, you have to be kidding yourselves. If this fails, you won’t be getting any Stargate any time soon, especially with the economic climate. Which means no DVD movies for those of you still sniveling about SGA.

At least there’s one Stargate on TV. So get behind it, or you’ll be waiting for years.

SYFY-Spooks and Dark worldly plots. Horror instead of imagination and invention. reality instead of fiction. And great ratings? Oh well.

The Atlantis movie is dead. The success or failure of Universe will not change that. If you like Universe, watch it. If you don’t, don’t. But don’t be duped into watching a show just to get a dangling carrot that doesn’t actually exist.

Wow, those numbers are flat our pathetic! For a series premiere?? Ouch!

Comparing it with Dollhouse episode 2 of season 2 is a bad comparison too. It wasn’t even the season opener and it’s an established series! Most people tuning in know EXACTLY what they’re watching. This was a season premiere and people watched not knowing what to expect.

Personally, even though I expected failure, I was actually truly shocked by just how bad the show was! Female characters have always been written poorly, and most of us have been screaming for them to hire a female writer to try and fix that area but they never listen to their fans, do they? All women in the show could have been cardboard cut outs and we probably wouldn’t have noticed.

And talk about stereotypes? Fat annoying geek boy. Lesbian character is b**chy. Rush…haven’t we seen him before in ‘Lost In Space’?

Direction = BSG fanboy. Stargate is stargate! I wasn’t even a fan of BSG but by trying to be like it, it’s offensive to BSG fans. At least that show had good writing and characters!

And the sex scene – wtf? Irrelevant and confusingly placed much? They seemed in an awful rush to develop characters too, particularly with the aptly named, Rush. Crying in his room, listening to opera? Pointless and yet again, more BSG reference.

It’ll be interesting to see what the ratings are next week – seems like a LOT of people are disappointed.

Also, I’m past SG1 and SGA, I’m not even going to compare it to them. However, to all those dissing those of us against SGU because we want SG1 or SGA back, I’m done with them and if there are movies, great, if not, fine! I’m not much caring. What I do care about is seeing a show I grew up with, and loved so much, be reduced to this kind of nonsense! Am I going to become embarrassed to call myself a Stargate fan because people will associate Stargate with this show and not the greatness it once was?

Wow. So I watched it, even though I said I wouldn’t. But I had to justify why I would not watch a show from a franchise I have loved from the start. I think there was a tiny part of me that wanted to be proven wrong, a part of me that kinda wanted to like SGUnbelievable.

So I watched, and I watched and I watched. During the time I watched I fell asleep, watched as I tidied up, talked on the phone while it played. I think I am trying to say it was complete crap. It did not hold my attention, bored me to tears and for some reason was quite familiar.
Now, I don’t know, but it reminded me of Lost in Space. The doctor was in fact Doctor Zachary Smith, waiting to sabotage the mission.
It also reminded me of Battlestar Galactica, that bored the pants off me and annoyed me with all the awful camera work.
It reminded me of Star Trek Voyager, but an even worse version of it.

Back and forth back and forth, past and present, past and present. I actually got whiplash from the time changes and dizzy at the complete lack of need.

The opera scene with the Doc was SO BSG!
The sex scene made me laugh! If EVER there was an attempt to shock young pimply faced geek boys to watch a show, there it was. A completely uncalled for, sleasy (in a cupboard for crying out loud!!!) sex scene to be controversial and *with it*.

There were elements of the Blair Witch film. Where? The camera work, the shaky cam? Wow, too eager there boys, motion sickness is not the best part of a show! Such a show of *look!! We can do cool camera work too!!* Even though it isn’t actually cool, more….stupid than anything.

The poor little rich girl, all nothing without her daddy benefactor who HAPPENS to sacrifice himself for the greater good? CHEESE anyone?

The Commander, he got up and walked around after spending the first half unconscious and convulsing? Come one guys! Did you ever research traumatic head injuries as severe as his?!?

And Math boy? MATH BOY?! Jeez, I could really have hurled my laptop at my TV screen when he said that. A complete arse whose acting was questionable and character definitions attempting to bring parts of characters who have been before. (Daniel? McKay? Man, trying SO damn hard!) He had me angry after his first scene, I doubt I could watch any further with that in it.

Opening credits. At first I was like, OOhhh! I like that space scene! thirty seconds in, I stifled a yawn as a hyperspace window opened and oooh’ed again, wow! A spaceship! IN SPACE!! Then another minute passed and still nothing had happened except the space scene and the space ship. That was in fact one of the times I fell asleep.
Sorry guys, I have watched you work for years. And although not ALL of it was great, it was all Stargate. This? This was not. It might have made something if it were not named after its predecessors. Perhaps if you had just went and written a new show that happened to have a gate thing that was similar to a show you once produced, it might have been accepted, but I still would not have watched.
It was painfully boring, incredibly cliched. It tried to much, it failed to much. It was a clone of things I have seen and sometimes hated. It is not Stargate. Until egos and greed leave your intentions, as well as the crappy writers leave your idea rooms? Stargate is gone forever.

Just needed to throw this in: Battlestar Galactica was one of the most successful sci-fi shows of its time so bashing it isn’t going to help any argument.

I was a big fan of both Stargate & BSG and after watching SGU I find it difficult to find much that compared to BSG. Yes they both have a dark “feel” but in terms of storyline there nothing alike.

@ScoobyDoo shouldn’t those who argue and bash even though it wont make the slightest bit of difference not be the ones that should grow up and move on? (Listen to the latest GateWorld Podcast, they say something along these lines aswell).

@US06154 I did not say that they didn’t want a show that would appeal to Stargate Fans, I said that they didn’t want a show that would appeal “only to” Stargate fans i.e. they wanted to open up the franchise to new people aswell.

Also they would of needed a third show at some point as to be honest SGA only had like another seasons worth left in it. The only difference would be that we would be talking about SGU next year instead of now.

Srsly ppl… The show is gonna be good… Its a completely new setting which means it opens up a whole new plot line… How can you be sure that its gonna suck if you watched only 2 episodes ??? The exploration is just beginning, and this time its not gonna be just planet exploration, its gonna be an exploration of the human mind as well… As ppl are trapped there, they will not only explore planets and strange new worlds, they will also explore themselves which is a lot more interesting than simple go through a gate routine…
And considering that they are galaxies away from Earth there can be many different and interesting Aliens and adventures along the way… Its also interesting to know more about the Ancients from that ship…
All who whine and complain here are SGA fans, not Stargate fans, cuz you just cant accept that Atlantis was going south with each season… You might not see it but its the truth, accept it… The show was copying SG-1 with all the replicators and so on… And the master downfall of the series were the Wraith. With SG-1 there were many diff world they could explore, but here Wraith killed almost everyone so there were a lot less planets and cultures to explore, also I still have a hard time believing that the Ancients lost to the wraith with all their technology and power, and the **** that they try to feed us with like, there were too many Wraith thats why they lost, is just retarded at best… Humans brought wraith to almost complete extinction in 5 years… And humans didnt have the resources ancients had…
You see the hole in the story here ???
This show was doomed form the moment they introduced the Wraith, and making 1 more season of it wouldnt have saved it…

Two issues conspired to make SG:U disadvataged from the start.

1: Martin Gero, the man who is as poor a writer as JKR but about as lucky

2: Too much money.

Let me explain. For me good ol’ “Marty G” is the person who changed the dynamic of the writing team. From the first script he wrote there were issues introduced that had no place in such a franchise. However, that is incidental.

The BIGGEST problem has been and always will be MONEY.

Someone hit the nail on the head earlier with comments about Sanctuary. Very low budget but fantastically popular. Low budgets FORCE writers to be creative. If the show doesn’t have the money for a large model shot or amazing CGI the writer will have to find another way around things. In fact CGI is a huge downfall of a lot of writers. It is there so they use it. Model shots are better, creative writing is far better.

In the case of Universe, here is a show which has a phenomenally stupid budget from a network that are on the brink of failure. All the money has been poured into big names, CG shots, set and advertising. I would love to credit the makers on the preview shots, but that was contracted out!

For me what is far, far, far worse is that if the writers and/or the networks wanted a show that played with character interaction it could have been done for around 1/10 the budget.

Oh and for those that don’t believe me I can point to several low-budget shows (Red Dwarf’s Marooned Episode, Any of the original Dr. Who) and even several stage plays (waiting for godot is just one) that deal with the human psyhce far more effectively and far cheaper than Universe.

Finally here’s my thought. The SG franchise has a large, active and organised fandom. The PTB knew that they couldn’t outright ‘Cancel’ SG without backlash. This was the way out of a show that costs WAY too much to make. It is all bottom line. IF universe fails (and I’m not saying it will or should) the PTB can say ‘well we threw everything at it and it didn’t work’.

What is worse, and this may get deleted, is the way the machine works to put the big players in fandom onside. Yes, I do mean the organisers of GW. Your 100% positive attitude, the very happy clappy face you’ve shown us. I’m sorry I don’t buy it. It is so obviously faked.

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Very well said Imitation Tofu and wnelson. Props to you both.

Hmmm. From the sounds of things here, Universe is a hit or miss. I personally enjoyed it mainly because I got the feelings that these characters had a heavy history.

I am interested to see if the Lucian alliance will come back, I won’t speculate much on that. I am also noting some of the more ‘die hard’ (sorry for being crude) are dissapointed with Universe not feeling like an a-typical stargate, isn’t that the point -try something new. They are trying to bracnh out to a new audience. I couldn’t see what was so bad about this episode. Good acting, hence great cast, well written PREMISE for the series and action. I just think there alot of Atlantis fanboys/ and girls =) who just can’t get over it’s abrupt ending. I personally think Atlantis ran it’s course when you look at episodes like ‘Inquisition’ and ‘Brain storm’ and ‘Identity’.

If you don’t like it then vent your rage and go away and don’t watch the show, simple. How can you possibly judge a 20 episode (arc driven) season based on it’s pilot. Over the years people have become incredibly impatient, short sighted and have short attention spans. When you think about it, Universe presents a wide variety of dynamic, conflict driven characters. That’s my opinion anyway.

I dont think this show will last very long…Maybe 2 seasons.Not more than that.I also feel that the sex scene was dumb and pointless.It looked like 2 horny high school kids humping each other! I say bring back SGA and make a SG-1 movie!!!

The results are from people tuning in to see if it was a good show will have to wait till friday to see who come back i know i wont be. whats the point on aiming for a new audience cant they do that while keeping the curront one it’s like they are trying to destroy the current fan base and restart. SyFy need to re think there stratagy and programs SGA was by far the best thing that happend to syfy so they removed it?

To be honest just because there are more negative comments on an article on Gateworld doesn’t prove that those who disliked SGU are in a large minority. Hell even check Gateworld Poll you see on the right hand side of this page and look at the numbers of those who rated the episodes 8-10.

I have seen on various forums and other sources a lot of positive comments and speculation of what’s to come.

Also keep in mind that it has only been 2 episodes, I’m sure if people based every show on there first 2 episodes a lot of the best shows on television would have been cancelled long before there time.

Okay, comparison between SGA/SG-1 and SGU – their viewership/demo numbers and quality – aside. Do you think that 2.35 mil. and 1.7HH justifies the 20 mil. more they stuffed into it? I think that they counted on a much, much bigger audience.

I agree that this Friday’ll show which way the viewership’ll go. This will be the 3rd part of the premiere. If people were hooked they would watch. If they don’t… Well.

I didn’t quite like it. I was very open-minded and even excited about it, but it was a huge dissapointment. The only really bright moments were the ones with Jack, Daniel and Sam.

Please hury up with the SGA and SG1 movies!!

sgu sucked. Stargate is the only show i own every season of. stargate atlantis was ok the characters never really meshed like sg1 though. SGU WAS AWFUL. i didn’t care for any of the characters. if sgi was still on the air i would watch it. if stargate atlantis was still on the air i would watch it. SGU I WILL NEVER WATCH AGAIN! way to go sci fi channel ruin a GREAT series. the show has never been the same since they took it over RIP stargate, so long

Well I was surprised with the ratings because as much as this show was promoted and with interviews from the cast and just running it in the ground LOL. I expected it would get a pretty good rating from just people checking it out and then once it was aired the ratings would drop off as they seen it for the crap that it is I guess people realized that beforehand and didn’t bother to tune in.

I for one did not watch it because it’s not Stargate to me it a soap opera in the sky so to speak and judging from the responses from those that did watch I guess I didn’t miss anything.

I agree with the post that I read on here about Stargate use to be a show that the whole family could watch well not any more. As soon as you the TPTB or MGM or whoever gets your heads turned back around and realize that its fans that makes a show if we don’t watch your ratings go down and it’s the ax for you, we where pushed aside and you spent loads of money on something people are not interested in you did not want to listen to the fans and instead just ignored us.

I hope the ratings continue to drop right on through the ground.

Wise up and listen to your fans and furthermore, I really don’t think that the polls on this site are accurate.

If you happen to decide to do a SGA movie I know of several very talented writers that would make the shows writers look like amateurs.

I thought overall it was good. they focused too much on character interaction and emotion that it felt false and if you had less than 2 hours to live there would be more of a sense of urgency I think. The whole atmosphere felt flat and not very exciting to me. It has the potential to be good but I hope they don’t over-due the “we have x amount of time” garbage similar to sliders… ugh!

Wow. I can’t believe they dumped SGA for this. TPTB have been talking up this series for a year and a half, and it only took in a little over 2 million?

Good-bye, Stargate. I’ll look forward to those movies we’ve been rumoured to get. :insert mckay smilie here:

Darkelfa, well played.

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@Tanith: I’m sorry but this sounds rather apologistic. If the ratings hit at least 3 mil., SGU!fans would be all about how ratings are everything and they would laugh at SGA’s numbers. But now even SyFy is spinning water, even bringing up their web page visitation. Which is, in regard to TV advertisers and the show’s huge budget, rather ridiculous (kinda like NBC spinning Heroes’ numbers to the utter amusement of anyone with two brain cells). I remember when they spun SGA’s ratings, their growth and online viewership, and anti-SGA people kept laughing at them. Well, now the tables turned. If they have to tap-dance so much with just the premiere…

2.35 mil. is disappointing at best. Will the ratings grow this Friday? Will they drop even lower? Who knows. Maybe they’ll grow, SyFy keeps repeating the premiere and people do watch it on iTunes and Hulu and SyFy’s web. It’ll all depend on one thing: Did they like what they saw? Only ratings will tell.

Happy to see that the ratings are at on par with the networks shows.

I think SGU has lots of potential. I haven’t been this excited about Stargate since seasons 9 and 10 of SG1 and season 1 of SGA.

In response to the negative comments I’ve read: I honestly don’t see the BSG connection (maybe the camera work, but even then not really). Second how can you know if you really like the characters after only the first episode? It took a while for the SG1 characters to warms up, it other words “Children of the gods” did not fully define Sam, Jack, Teal’c, and Daniel.

I first have to get this out of the way. To the people just hating SGU and asking for SGA back, IT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Sorry to disappoint your little world but the show got canceled and SGU will take its place. Even if SGU failed beyond belief, SGA is still not coming back. Don’t get me wrong, I loved SGA and would have loved to still see it on the air. I feel strongly it will come back in movie format but that’s about it. What’s done is done and I’m not going to be a baby about this.

I absolutely loved the SGU premier. I’ve been a fan of this franchise since the original movie. I have high expectations for this. They could have explained a little more but as a whole, it was really good. I especially like that their is more than one Destiny type ships (I wonder what the names will be and if they will jump ship at some point in the future). I must have watched this about four times since it aired, catching things I missed before. Good job guys.

I just loved SGU! it had a different soundtrack, different filming and it was just different! I think i like Sg1 and Atlantis better by far but in my view SGU had to be a totally different show and i don’t think any new stargate will crack the ratings just of course a SG1 movie/Atlantis. I think also, pilot episodes are always not the best to judge a show by as its the early stages. I think either way Stargate is ending up like the old star trek series that were made. We need a major SG1 FIlm! big budget but im happy with a low budget…loved the last 2 sg1 films.

i used to watch Sarah connor series which i just loved! but it was canceled and that show needed more time. Who cares about the logic and the math issue etc HELLO! people enjoy the dam show for what it is, better than nothing. The only issue for me is the design of the ancient ship..its crap and looks…crap for a ship with modern tech, thats its biggest issue. Inside looks great! but the outside looks 80s well ugly like battle star…hated that show.

Yes, there are obvious parallels with Galactica, Firefly, and Lost to the point that nothing in the SGU pilot was novel or fresh. Time will tell whether the show can gain its own voice or whether it will remain a weaker clone.

Atlantis used the Voyager premise of being lost in space as did many SF shows before that. Universe is now using the exact same premise Atlantis did. Copying a premise can work as long as the characters are interesting. Too bad I found the Universe ones dull as dishwater.

@US06154, dude, look up my account on the forums, I’ve been a member since October 3rd, 2005. I just don’t post unless I have something important to me to say. You on the other hand I recognize quite well from these boards and mostly as a negative voice. What you were trying to say is that because of my views and amount of posts, my opinion somehow is worth less than yours.

TPTB, whether you like it or not have jobs to do and can’t make their shows without money and contracts. If it were up to them I’m sure they would love to still be doing all 3 series. In the end, the changes in the franchise can be contributed to a giant amount of things. Ad revenue, an outdated ratings systems, SyFy’s retarded board of directors, actors and actresses getting older an/or wanting things they can’t have, changes in direction of Sci-Fi storytelling methods and a move towards more realistic depictions of flawed human characters, add nausea. The fact is though that they’ve given us incredible stories and characters for over a decade now and as every time the franchise goes in a direction we don’t approve of we turn on them like vultures and clown shoes. I’m sorry to say that says far more about the fans than TPTB.

I’ve heard tons of this “I hate what they’re doing to my Stargate” garbage for years now. I have news for you, it isn’t “your” Stargate. Its their Stargate. I haven’t paid a dime outright for anything SG in my life but I’ve been blessed to have been able to enjoy it so far. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that anyone’s opinion here is wrong or mine is right, hell, their all just opinions. We all have them and none of them match up completely. However, you have to remember that this is an SG fan site, not an SG hate site. This is a site for fans to share their love of SG and instead, the negative voices are turning it into a site for arguments and vengeance over their unhappiness about a franchise which they have no creative control over daring to go in a direction they don’t approve of. If you think that drenching these boards with your SGU hate will change the way the series progresses or cause TPTB to resurrect pass series, it just won’t happen. What it will do is create the SG fan base version of the Red/Blue state fiasco. Helping SGU succeed benefits us all because it shows TPTB that we want the franchise to go on. All that refusing to watch SGU and telling them that you’ll only accept a ticket on the ship that already sailed will do is bring eventual death to Stargate and then we all lose. They canceled SGA because the ratings weren’t there and they needed something fresh to try and bring in new viewers or else they risked not even having a franchise to try and save later. now, out of pure spite and selfishness, a large chunk of the fan base has basically pledged themselves to seeing TPTB pay for it one way or another. But they’re not the only ones who will pay, the rest of us will pay as well.

Nobody is saying you have to fawn over it, but part of being a dedicated fan is supporting the franchise even when it doesn’t go the way you think it should. Otherwise you run the risk of seeing the whole thing fail and I don’t think any true fan really wants to see that. I myself didn’t think the pilot was ll that exciting, but it was a setup episode and Stargate is all about gate exploration. Until I see how they handle the actual gate adventures, I’m not going to make any solid judgments about it. Voicing your opinion is an important thing and it may help to guide TPTB in where they take the series, like perhaps not having anymore sex scenes which I think most will agree on doesn’t serve SG’s audience very well or at least tone them down more. But wanting to see SGU get better and wanting to see it fail out of anger are two very different things. If you go in wanting it to suck, it will no matter what happens.

Dude, if the money isn’t coming in for SGU then it won’t be there for any future SG-1 or Atlantis stuff. Please try and understand that fact people. Plus there’s a difference between “I’m not going to support it because I don’t enjoy watching it” and “I’m gonna roll onto the fan site and try to lower everyone else opinion of it as well.”

And there is something, my husband just watched the premier. He is a big BSG fan, and an SG fan (though not a fan of SGA) And he hated it. I had thought that perhaps BSG fans would like it, but there you go.

I think it was stupid to cancel a show when it was at the top of it’s game to try to do something ‘darker’ that would appeal to ‘others’, that was taking the pi** that stargate fans would blindly follow where they lead. I’m not a lemming, if I don’t like the show I wont be blackmailed into watching it, life’s too short.

I know SGA wont be coming back, and if I were one of the cast i’d do what Tori did and tell them to get lost, I’m not expecting any films from either SG1 or SGA and I don’t believe this series can make it because it doesn’t have anything resembling the stargate formula that made it so popular with fans (it has a gate..ohh wow )there’s no Jack- Daniel, Sheppard- mackay chemistry ) it’s all psych and huggy feely wailing women… boring as hell.

As for the AAron stone (disney xd) premise of playing an online game and becoming a superhero, well at least Aaron stone has good humour.

R.I.P stargate.

sorry for the typos: meant gokhu not goku. And in my comment before that meant Stargate Worlds, not Stargate World.

Oh, and one more thing, if you end up not liking it after that then you still have whats been shot of SGA and SG-1 and SGU can’t ever take away from that.

Agree with DarkElfa. Naysayers have been bashing SGU since SGA ended. And the ones that watched the SGU pilot went into it expecting it to suck and so they picked up on any issue they could find wrong with it. There minds were already made up long before SGU aired.

I wonder now how long they will stick around to continue to bash it. I bet some will even be sad enough to watch it every week even though that claim it sucks.

Err, “SGA rulez! SGU sucked!” – sheesh, I need my morning coffee!

“Plus there’s a difference between “I’m not going to support it because I don’t enjoy watching it” and “I’m gonna roll onto the fan site and try to lower everyone else opinion of it as well.””

If anonymous posts on the internet make one think less of a TV show then that says more about their wavering opinion than anything. Welcome to the internet. People argue and complain and nitpick. If that offends delicate sensibilities then perhaps one should visit safer pages filled with shiny happy people who think everything is grand.

It’s funny how people always tell complainers to turn off the TV and ignore the show but those same people can’t seem to figure out how to ignore posts…

@US06154 to be fair we can only take your word on that.

@Tanith: “I will admit that I have at times compared SGU to SGA but I would never say that SGA sucked.”

See? Generalization. I just turned around your own comment. You don’t belong to the group, but a huge chunk of SGU fans does. That’s why it’s not fair to generalize and why people get their hackles raised when all the viewers who didn’t like SGU’s premiere get thrown in the same bag. That’s exactly how it feels and why so many SGA/SG-1 fans are annoyed by some SGU fans accusing them of being a trolls/bad fans/whatever.

@Tanith, Fair Enough. :) Question: We had 10Seasons of SG1 and 5 Seasons of SGA to be Rabid Fans. How Did SGU fans become “Fans” even before the show was aired? Did you become fans of the “concept” or as an act of sheer desparation? We had a reason not to like SGU (Cancellation of an established cast and show, A slap in the face by saying we are not what the new show wants.) I guess time will tell, sooner than later. Good thing Dollhouse, Sanctuary, Bones, Fringe and other shows are on. Parting is such sweet sorrow, wait.. NOT!!!

Also Wondering (Hypothetical Question), Since this site is called gateworld, what happens when the show tanks, and no more Gate?? LOL!!! just a philosophical question..

@Piernik I wasn’t gonna watch the show because of the way SGA was cancelled, I was given the chance to watch SGU. While I enjoyed it more than I thought, I liked Brian J. Smith and David Blue, it was not as good as SGA for me. It certainly wasn’t as good as BSG, which has sharper writing and darker scenes. Robert Carlisle was good but not as excellent as I though he would be, the others were okay, only Louis Ferrera stood out with BJS and DB. The camera work was annoying as were the flashbacks (and yes I am intelligent enough to understand what was a flashback and what wasn’t!). The writing was not that good, the publicity from the ptb promised us better writing, acting, atmosphere and darker scenes than SG1 and SGA but (IMHO) failed on all accounts but the darker feel. I loved the acting on SG1 and SGA, particularly David Hewlett, Joe Flanigan, Jason and Rachel, also RDA, Michael, Chris and Amanda on SG1.

One of the main problems was that it was not as exciting and fun as the two other shows and this is what I need in my sci-fi shows, if I want drama then I will look elsewhere. Another main problem is that the publicity about the show from the ptb was bad, they should not be allowed to talk about anything other than what each episode is about because they have alienated loyal fans with their arrogance, whoever deals with the publicity should have put a gag on the ptb and now should be fired for such a pathetic job. For me though, the creators, producers, writers etc. should take full responsibility for not living up to their promises. Even though I liked it better than I thought it was nowhere near to the vision they declared it would be.

As for the people who are saying we should go elsewhere to say what we think or feel, don’t read our comments, this is supposed to be where all fans of SG can put their thoughts in writing, if you want only people who agree with you then why don’t you go somewhere else! I have no problems with people disagreeing with what I say but in how they word them in insults.

DarkElfa, hi again hun, still enjoying yourself with the negativity?

So, will I continue to watch it? Maybe, I won’t make a big effort but if it’s available I might watch. I won’t be buying the dvd’s as I did for SG1 and SGA cos I loved those shows from the first episodes and will watch them forever. I will not put any more money into the ptb coffers mainly because they have not given us SGA fans the loyalty we have shown them!

Those people claiming to be SGU ‘fans’ are delusional, you’ve had two shows, how can you call yourself a fan after that? I suppose you change alligance to whatever years football team win the superbowl. Fans are people who put their money where their mouth is and ‘support’ something, in this case it would be commitment to sit down and watch live every show, then buy the dvd’s and related promo’s etc, so your al a little premature in declarring yourself ‘fans’.

Secondly, why should SG1 and SGA fans go elsewhere? This site was set up and gained support on the backs of those series not SGU.

Thirdly we don’t owe the ‘franchise’ anything, we have paid our dues by supporting shows we liked, without US there would be no SGU, something which the writers should have thought about before stabbing the fans and cast members of SG1 and SGA in the back.

Get over yourselves. True ‘fans’ can see what you can’t.

@gokhu, W00t,(claps loudly), and to Serenitypoi, Katikatnik, Imitation Tofu and others (from the unpopular kids camp), much respect.

@darkelfa: That’s Mr. Petty to you Sir, (or Ma’am).. sticks and stones.. BTW, since SGU WAS a washout, dropped Space Channel (Canada) from my cable line up. Might as well give that money to charity, at least I’ll get better satisfaction. So yeah, I took YOUR advice not to support Stargate anymore.. hehehe. May Lady Lolth smile upon you. :D

I posted a comment but its awaiting moderation since it contains slight swear words, this is the same comment but slightly altered:

@gokhu I don’t believe those who didn’t like SGU should go else where, everyone is entitled to there opinion.

But if someone is going to do nothing but take the crap out of SGU and keep mentioning how much it sucks and that its the end of Stargate etc really should be the ones that should quite frankly bugger off.

(The words crap and bugger are the ones that have been replaced)

Alright fine, I’m truly done trying to make any sense to you naysayers. No amount of fact or common sense will change your opinions on this. I get it. You decided long ago you were going to hate SGU and you are not going to change that decision come hell or high water. Its cool, Tanith, myself and others have tried to persuade you with logic but like when a parent asks if you jump off a bridge if your friend did, you’ve decided to be impossible and answer yes. Fine, my opinion is that its your loss and if you lot are indeed unwilling to try new things then SG may just be better off without you in its corner. After all, fair weather friends are no friends at all.

@Tanith, Just leave it man, they aren’t going to be reasoned with, they don’t want to be. They made up their minds that even though the candlelight was fire, they hated both the cook and the meal and weren’t going to eat even if it meant starvation. IOW, its scorched earth for them.

As someone who works with veterans, I really think this show was a slap in the face of our military, presenting them as psycho, sexed-up weenies and not as the professionals I would expect at least some of them to be in a crisis situation.
Come on Stargate, I want my heroes back!

Thank goodness there are so many fans here to dictate who is being reasonable and who isn’t and what is criticism and what is slagging! Can you guys get together and write out a list of rules for exactly how others should post? Be specific. That way everyone can behave exactly as you want them to!

@Imitation Tofu can’t you tell the difference between something like “I didn’t like SGU, not a fan of the flashbacks myself” and “SGU SUCKED Stargate is now over!”

Hi Gateworld, why does my comments from 9 October 2009 10.40 am need moderation? There is nothing that has not already been said before in this thread and I have read ten times worse with some insulting comments. Please could you give me a reason, thank you.

@Tanith OMG I’m a rebel heeheehee! It’s terrible isn’t it? What was so bad that I needed moderation lol!!! Why don’t you and I just laugh about this (in our own homes of course) and just agree to disagree cos we are all sounding like children, I’m sure I heard a ‘so there, my toy’s better than yours’ in everyone’s comments and even though we all differ in our opinions we all like an SG show in whatever format. Bye and take care to everyone!!!

that we will have*

(typo in my last comment).

I thought it was crap, it missed al the good things that made stargate fun to watch

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