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Mallozzi: Stargate Universe is a 5-year story

Saturday - November 27, 2010
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The producers of Stargate Universe hope that the show will live on for five full seasons, according to executive producer Joseph Mallozzi.  He told fans at his blog that the writers have five years’ worth of story, building up to the final pay-off and conclusion of SGU.

“There are a number of arcs and elements that will figure into the ultimate finale we have planned,” Mallozzi said.  “Ideally, we’d get five years to tell the entire story in satisfactory fashion but, if it came down to it, we could pay it off over the course of a single season.”

Stargate Universe is the first show in the franchise to be conceived as a single, arc-based story with a beginning, middle, and end, rather than an episodic series that could go on as long as the ratings would support.

At this point, Mallozzi also said, the studio is not thinking about a back-up plan for finishing the story in another medium, should the show be canceled without sufficient warning to pay off the story.  Right now “the plan is deliver the ending at the conclusion of Season Five,” he said.

The show’s ratings in its new Tuesday night time slot, however, may threaten that 5-year story.  Last month Syfy Channel canceled Stargate‘s lead-out show Caprica for low ratings.  Meanwhile WWE Smackdown and Sanctuary are thriving on Friday nights, blocking the likelihood of returning SGU to that night on the schedule.

Robert Carlyle as Dr. Nicholas Rush. (From ''Malice'')

The network is expected to announce its decision about SGU Season Three in December or January, following next week’s conclusion of the first half of Season Two.  The second half should pick up in the spring, after production on Season Three would need to have already begun.

The show does benefit from a larger number of DVR-delayed and online viewers … which don’t mean much to the advertisers who pay to keep Syfy’s programming on the air.

“I think our audience is there but simply growing more diffuse,” Mallozzi said of the ratings.  “It would terrific if the television industry found a way to catch up with the modern media’s technological advancements, find a way to make sure everyone is counted in those ratings — but barring a major miracle, I don’t see that happening anytime soon.

“The only alternative to ensuring a third season is to bring more viewers to Tuesday nights, be they SG-1 fans, Atlantis fans, or fans of  Celebrity Circus.”

Stick with GateWorld for the very latest, and be sure to watch the final episode of the fall season this Tuesday night at 9 p.m. (8 Central)! Visit GateWorld’s Season Two episode guide to learn more about “Resurgence,” and be sure to visit Joe’s blog for more from the SGU writer/producer.




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  • The JMS/Babylon 5 approach: make a long-term plan and stick to it no matter what. There’s a very real danger of the show ending before the story is finished, but if it works, it pays off dividends and becomes a brilliant example of what the medium of television can be.

  • “Mallozzi said. “Ideally, we’d get five years to tell the entire story in satisfactory fashion but, if it came down to it, we could pay it off over the course of a single season.””

    You see, you just don’t say that. People will take it to mean that what you currently have planned is so bloated with filler and not watch it or that you don’t have enough confidence in your own show that if it came too it you can cut enough content to fill 20 episodes and again, people wont want to watch something that cut up. Its rule number 1 in everything, you make your audience believe you are 100% for what you are pushing.

    “which don’t mean much to the advertisers who pay to keep Syfy’s programming on the air.”
    Unfortunately this is quite true and chances are it will get worse, for all shows, before it gets better, as more people buy DVR, TiVo boxes or download from the internet. I’ve heard rumors that there are talks of making it so DVR’s cant skip over ads but seeing as that is a primary reason people buy such equipment I doubt anything will materialize.
    “It would terrific if the television industry found a way to catch up with the modern media’s technological advancements, find a way to make sure everyone is counted in those ratings — but barring a major miracle, I don’t see that happening anytime soon.”
    Product placement. I’m serious. I wouldn’t be surprised if in some future episode you see someone in the mess hall reach for a multigrain bar with a shot clearly showing the label (didn’t they do that in the pilot episode with Greer pocketing some protein bars?). Maybe they find some crashed alien tech that Rush compares to a G.E. d345 generator or something

  • This sounds like desperation to me. Its like they’re saying to the audience ‘stick with us PLEASE, we will eventually get to the point honest gov, after all we’ve got to, the show’s only going to last another 3 years please please please please please (with a cherry on top)’ secretly behind the scenes they’re saying ‘if we can get away with selling this for 5 years we’re geniuses’. I’ve loved stargate since the start but we’ve been short changed on this one guys. The producers, directors and writers are suffering from battlestar envy and we’re being made to suffer for it. Granted Battlestar was truly awesome but so was stargate at point in its own way.

  • the bbc did a star trek night 10 or 15 years ago or so and there was a song on there that sums up exactly how I feel about the produces of the new stargate show. Its a brilliant song by the brilliant adam and joe, just type in adam and joes star trek song into youtube and look for the numpty dresses like a klingon sat in front of a keyboard and enjoy, its pure class!!

  • The fact that the producers have a concrete plan for SGU is exactly what I want to hear. The absence of a plan in SGA was blatantly obvious and what took away from an otherwise entertaining show. A perfect example is the complete lack of a long-term story-arc solution to the Pegasus replicators…. half of S.4, really? ok… we did that… uhm… where do we go now???

    I would absolutely love for this show to be told the proper way, unlike “Ark of Truth” for SG-1, which screamed for an 11th season.

  • i agree, JM is surprisingly frank, too frank. Saying they could pull it off in one season is probably true and Joe knows if they get anything, it will be a one season and thats it. A show with this kind of ratings doesnt go on for five seasons.

  • I sincerely hope that SGU gets its 5-years. I’m enjoying the show immensely and definitely feel that this story NEEDS to be told.

  • Is it me or do they beg us to watch the show or stop putting out our opinions that “taint SGU” or the Atlantis fans who are “Punishing SGU” but this seems like another way to beg viewers.

  • To me is shows that they know what they’re doing. It can be really beneficial to have a show planed out and know the ending instead of pissing off the fans with a rushed ending later on.

  • @Gaeth i’m not putting words in their mouths they blamed sga fans for punishing sgu.

  • They may very well have five years of plot material in the works. But after admitting grave mistakes with the show’s manner there were to have been widely applied fixes in order to retain those viewers that ran from this gloomy SGA replacement. The failure of these fixes if any is now borne out in the current static ratings.

    They can pontificate about a five year run all they want but it won’t change the fact that this experiment has not captured the viewers or critical acclaim that was hoped for.

  • perhaps a follow up movie called Epilogue.. seriously I paid for the entire iTune season and even on-demand I’m drifting further behind on my watch list, these days i get around to it. The story it seems to be going no where.. slowly, great acting (i think) production values are pretty good, FX are really decent. But the story and chracterizations.. I feel bad for the actors and actresses because of what they put them through. I feel positively depressed after watching each episode.. sad.

  • Wasn’t Mallozzi just answering a fan question on his blog. I don’t think he issued a statement of desperation for people to watch.

  • @ib1117: Maybe not but SG1 and SGA got the ratings. SGU seems to be getting neither at the moment.

  • SGU will probably get a third season unless the ratings for the next episode are more abysmal than usual. It would seem the SyFy network executives are dragging their feet on canceling the show indicating they want to let it continue. The slight upward movement in ratings for the past few episodes most likely will get it a third chance. Though a fourth and fifth season appears to be unlikely.

  • Oops my last comment was directed at ib1117′s comment on the other series not getting critical acclaim not their last post (didn’t notice the last post) – just to avoid confusion. :)

  • Why doesn’t Syfy move SGU to Fridays when Sanctuary isn’t on? If they could be benefiting from WWE Smackdown why not try it for the 3rd season of SGU? Or would that be too simple?

  • Wow, they basically told SG1 & SGA fans where we could go and now they are begging us to watch. I am sorry….I thought you were going to pull in so many new fans with your wonderful new show that you didn’t need us. Ok…that’s what I thought!

  • I miss SG1 and SGA, but I won’t be depressed if SGU gets canceled at the end of Season 2. I don’t hate it, but it’s failed to engage my interest like the other Stargate series. I just don’t understand why they’ve tried so hard to distance themselves from the previous shows. Stargate is a long running franchise, if they wanted to start over as a separate entity they should have picked a new name and premise. The only thing that would make me a regular viewer would be more crossover episodes with SG1 and SGA characters. My favorite episodes were the ones where RDA and Shanks appeared. But these types of episodes have been few and far between. I would suggest that SGU producers embrace the Stargate mythos and fandom if they want to get renewed for all 5 seasons.

  • I absolutely love the old Stargates, but I must say that unlike the older shows it is noticeable that this show actually has a direction for it’s story arc. This season has me totally hooked. I didn’t like it as much for the first half of season 1, but slowly it’s starting to come into its own.

  • I want to find a way to watch this show from Belgium on tv and support them just because I’ve been a stargate fan all this time. But on the other hand I’d like the show to wrap up as I’m not intrested in drama fillers that serve no purpose. However this doesn’t mean that the main story line is of no intrest to me, I think it has great potential but I tought that I was watching a sci-fi show and not drama 101. The only actor on this show that’s actualy considered good in my eyes is Robert Carlyle who I think is doing a great job.

    Now ending this show quickly would mean no more stargate and probably no more stargate movies either and that would just make me sad.
    I don’t know I geuss I want the show to keep on going and if the producers want our support now then I geuss we have an obligation to give it to them after all these years. I just wish they could make the show less drama based then they’d get their fans back.

  • I don’t know why ppl are hating so much on SGU… yeah I was sad to see SGA go but, I rather have a Stargate series then not have one. I wish that there was a movie for SGA, and I really wished there was a season 11 for SG1… but sometimes we can’t get everything we want. I’m really liking season 2.

    I wish I lived in the USA for the sole purpose of contributing to the ratings, but i don’t, instead I live in Canada. I just wish that syfy would consider their investment else were as well. I watch on Space Channel(Canada) every Friday… even though I watch the damn show on Wednesdays when I download it from the net. I still watch on Friday to be able to help boost the rating on my country.

    The reason in my opinion ppl aren’t liking the new show is because it tries to copy BSG a little. But the thing that I don’t understand.. is that, I see ppl saying that they lived BSG and the liked SG1/SGA. So why wouldn’t you like SGU…. if it borrows from BSG then shouldn’t it be good then. I don’t care what ppl say. I like SGU, and I truly don’t see anything wrong with it.

    ps. I love BSG.

  • @Sam and Jack Shipper: They have NEVER said they didn’t want fans of the old shows (as a whole group) watching.

  • I think that a five year arc is a great idea. I LOVE Babylon 5, I own all five seasons, all the movies (including Lost Tales) and Crusade on DVD (won’t touch Legend of the Rangers, its terrible). Is the show perfectly? Of course not, it has its flaws, and by today’s standards watching it on an HDTV it definitely shows its age with the visual effects, but at its heart are the story and characters and B5 did to this day what no show has done – a fully mapped out arc with beginning, middle and end and it was one of the earliest arc shows that got the full five years. Just like with SGU, there were naysayers who said that B5 was terrible and that it wouldn’t get all five seasons, in fact, it came 99% close to NOT getting a 5th and final season but it pulled through, and this is a show that probably did about as well in ratings as SGU did.

    Just because they say that they can finish a five year arc next year instead of the remaining three years doesn’t then mean that the full five year arc would be filled with filler episodes, it just means they have an exit plan in case real life happens. Remember with B5, JMS did the same thing. You can’t predict network decisions and you can’t predict when an actor will decide to leave a show (or die) so JMS always had an exit plan in such as case – he had built in doors into his show so that should an actor leave, then it wouldn’t seem like it was forced. And remember with season 4, he had to tie the arc because he didn’t believe he’d get that fifth season? Yeah, another exit plan just like with SGU, but season 5 was still good, not AS good but not bad either.

    Anyway, I always felt that the next Stargate series should have more of a plan like this, and with SGU’s premise I always felt that it would be a perfect format for this type of show. Very few shows do this, I don’t think BSG even did that aside from knowing HOW it ended, I don’t think they mapped out how they were going to GET to that ending.

    Stargate Atlantis and Stargate SG-1 are designed as open ended series – they do have arcs but once those arcs are finished there’s always more stories to be told, and I see no reason why there can’t be a Stargate series more along the lines with B5 where once it ends its over.

    And I honestly don’t think how after the last few episodes anybody can say this show is not picking up speed (unless you haven’t seen them) and the characters are actually becoming likeable – at least for me.

  • Sorry, ratings are too little too late. They lost me after the first half of season 1. Couldn’t bear to watch anymore. Even if it’s better now, just can’t get myself to watch. More Eureka for me, and if they’re smart, more SGA and SG1.

  • I can see Syfy giving SGU a third season to finish up, as they have a long relationship with the franchise.

    I heavily doubt they’ll be given three more seasons though.

  • I have no prediction as to whether they will cancel this show or not. I’m sure they want it to continue, but it has to be making them a profit or garnering critical acclaim to make it worthwhile.
    I do know that if they renew it with an average rating this low I’ll remain bitter that they cancelled Atlantis with better ratings.

  • This show has made a connection between scifi and religion in such great fashion. It really has been a very unique show for me to watch, and am very proud that it is a Stargate series. So for the show to receive it’s 5 full years to tell the story the way it should be told would mean a lot.

    Keep it up guys, the writing has been great. It definitely makes me think about the topics that were brought forth in the episodes.

  • I have liked the change in direction over the last few episodes. [**SPOILERS**] That is except for the gratuitous killing of Gin/Amanda.

    The comparison many people are drawing between the five year plan Joe is referring to and Babylon 5 is interesting because Joe likes to throw curves.The initial premise for Crusade seemed to be that they’d simply spend the entire run of the show looking for a cure, when in fact the plan was to have everyone believe that they had found it before the end of the first season when they actually hadn’t.

    Babylon 5 wasnt’t a rigid story where everything built to one ending. It had dozens of beginnings and endings woven together. SG1 had a degree of that quality as well.

    This idea of two immensely powerful alien races is reminiscent of when the first details were coming out about the Ancients, as well as a couple of uber powerful ancient races used to great effect by a certain Mr Straczynski.

    Hopefully the mid season finale will continue the positive trend.

  • the irony is of course that their so called. arc could be paid off in one episode

  • First off I would like to say that I am a huge stargate fan love sg1 and sga both. I own all ten seasons of sg1 and all five seasons of atlantis on dvd and both sg1 movies. But I have a question for the sg1 and sga fans who don’t watch sgu. Why do you get on here week after week and bad talk a show you don’t even watch? Seriously what is the point? And also to sg1 and sga fans who don’t support sgu: let’s go ahead and say that sgu gets renewed for a third season let’s say that happens. But the first few episodes again have low ratings and syfy tells them wrap it up this season. What do you think is going to happen to the stargate franchise as a whole? Do you think syfy will greenlight a 4th series? Im gonna say probably not. And maybe mgm puts out the sg1 and atlantis movies maybe not. But after that I think Stargate will be gone. And short of jj abrams making it into a badass movie franchise I don’t think it will come back. Please comment and give your opinions.

  • So Mallozzi wants five seasons to tell Destinys’ story.

    Five seasons would be nice, but with the current ratings, we’ll be by lucky to make it to even a third season.

  • If the show was doing as good they hoped, I don’t think it would have been moved to Tuesday for WWE to replace it on Friday. The executives gave it a last chance by allowing it to show on Tuesday.

    When I watch Stargate, i want to know that I’m watching Stargate–not BSG. If I wanted to watch BSG then I would. SGU has strayed so far away from what Stargate is, that it might not be posible to bring it back to the Stargate world. I’m not knocking BSG–because I do think its a good show, but instead of SGU–it should have been named BSG 2.

    The one scene that did it for me was when O’niell was in the same room as Young, as they were standing over Telford–O’niell made a joke and he was completely out of place, an akward moment. How is it that RDA as Jack O’niell can be out of place on a Stargate show? This just shows me how screwed up the show is.

    There making it as if the Lucian Alliance is the greatest threat earth has ever seen. Earth has fought off attacks from Apophis, Anubis, Replicators, Wraithe. And they’re making us think that the Lucian Alliance could be earth’s greatest threat? C’mon. Earth now has all the knowledge of the Asgard, the Atlantis base, Go’uld, Wraithe, Replicators, and dozens of other races. Not to mention allied with the Jaffa nation–although not a strong relationship. Seriously, tone the Lucian Allaince stuff down.

  • Not to mention, they fought off the Ori–albeit the Ori never attacked earth. And how is it that an earth vessel can be damage so quickly in a battle with a gould mothership when it can survive attack from Anubis flag mothership–and this was before any upgrades from all the knowledge of the Asgard. For those who don’t know, I’m refering to Col. Carter as captain of a spaceship during battle on SGU.

  • I would love to see this show make 5 seasons, but putting this show on Tuesday nights at 9 is not the best time slot in my opinion. They are fighting NCIS: LA, which has high ratings.

  • >> They lost me after the first half of season 1. Couldn’t bear to watch anymore. Even if it’s better now, just can’t get myself to watch.

    I’m with you there zigger, that’s exactly how I felt. The negativity and patheticness of the characters made it very difficult for me to watch.

    However I did give season 2 a chance. The negativity of the characters has subsided somewhat (I guess Wright and Mallozzi took the critisicm to heart), but the show is just really boring.

    I find it not surprising that people don’t tune in to the live broadcast. It became the type of show you watch only when you really have nothing better to do.

  • Some thoughts…

    1) For the people who don’t watch the show and still come on here and complain about SGU, I get it… you’re just voicing your frustration over a lack of commitment to your fan base after all this time. I get it, and I feel your frustration– to a point.

    2) I, too, am in the camp that I like the premise of SGU but I don’t like the long, “boring” pace they’re taking. The difference, right now, between SGU and BSG is that even the story-driven BSG had a lot of activity going on from episode to episode. There was a pace developed that was going to get them somewhere. SGU doesn’t have that pace yet. We’ve spent 10 episodes this season and frankly we only needed 3-4 of them… 5-6 if you wanted to drag it out.

    3) I still continue to watch in spite of what I’ve said thus far, BECAUSE I’m committed to the Stargate franchise. Although I desperately want them to shift gears and pick up the pace (NOT to SG-1 or SGA levels), I also want them to succeed so that Stargate doesn’t vanish. Why don’t I want SG-1/SGA pacing? Because look what happened to SGA… after 15 years you get burnt out on keeping up that pace, and you lose direction. The producers NEED to have a full story they can develop properly. I get that. It recharges their batteries.

    4) Personally, what I hope for is that the back half of season two will quicken the pace without turning it into a race. Let’s hit more of a jog than, say, mall walking. Introduce a little more action… we need an enemy, we need a goal to accomplish. The conflict can’t exclusively come from so-and-so doesn’t like somebody else this week but is buddy buddy the next. Then, once the pace is quickened, let’s move forward with accomplishing the goal and finish your 5 year plan. Begin planning the next series to make a return to the action-based plot style… it could even pick up where the Atlantis/SG-1 movies leave off. We do, afterall, have Asgard and all of Atlantis tech to fully explore now (and by that point, Destiny’s as well)… seek out the Furlings, or reunite with the Nox.

    OK, so let me wrap up my thoughts… my point is, do I like where SGU is at right now? I didn’t but the past few episodes are making me believe there is a point, there is a plan, and I want to see that plan through. I love the franchise, and I want to see it succeed. So am I going to be part of the problem– not watching, always complaining, and doing nothing? No! I am going to continue watching, continue supporting, but continue voicing my opinion in a more constructive way instead of whining about ratings and being bored, etc. I encourage all of you to do the same.

  • @GoodThings2Life, about BSG, yes the first seasons were action packed but the last 2 seasons were slow, tedious, boring and smeared. Barring the 2 episodes where there was a mutiny (in the last season) which were very tense.

    In general, I think BSG towards its end tried to start a ‘new trend’ in SciFi – a drama ridden uber-slow plot type of thing. SGU seems to try to follow those footsteps.

    As was evident with Caprica and with SGU to an extent, the audience doesn’t really like this kind of ‘post modern SciFi’.

    The writers may think they’re oh so deep now that they write boring drama but thankfully, as long as advertisers’ dollars still call the shots, the audience’s taste still has to be catered to.

    And so we’ll probably be back to the good old action packed SciFi soon enough – thankfully!

  • B5 did this but there wasnt the online viewers to worry about.

    The show struggled every year and only now it gets the recognition it deserved. Difference is though things did get better after the 1st season. The viewers were starting to see where the show would go and everyone had a rough idea where it was going to go. It had the whole shadow war coming and at season 3 things really kicked off in to action. Good thing was, the solo episodes were alright but the big episodes were impressive and B5 had nothing compared to the budget SGU has. B5 worked because it wasnt a lot of money being used. SGU costs a lot to make and the episodes are a high quality standard but B5 had a awesome background story that even today you can watch. I honestly do not see my self wanting to watch SGU again like I watch SG1 or SGA.

  • Well I love SGU an it episodes. An I find many areas, cinematography, music, acting, CGI, characters that simply better than anything we got in SG1 an SGA, there is not a character that comes even close to Rush in the other two shows.
    I also think the show is improving episode after episode, as long since surpassed anything SG1 or SGA put on air an is far more enjoyable than BSG.
    Now we are starting to gain control of destiny, crew starting to work together I hoping pace of the overall arc increase, which is looking likely. I hope all that progressed is not undone during the next episode.

    As to comments about the Lucian alliance vessels becoming more effective against 304s, heard the 2nd part of the season will give reasons why they have grown powerful. But As Joe said these stories are design to be told over five seasons, so we may not fine out the true reasons until season 3 or 4 or 5 an I hope the writers do get to complete there story arcs. I hate when series end suddenly with out a conclusion.

  • I am afraid for me, SGU falls into the same bracket as say, Lost or The Event. I was bored by halfway through season 1, and I did not like the characters, bar Eli. I found Warehouse 13 and V The New Series instead. Ok, neither is Shakespeare, but the former is fun with engaging fun characters and humour, the latter retains the distrust and backstabbing intrigue of Galactica, like a bad soap. Plus of course there is Sanctuary when I can gt it!

    I think the writers of SGU will need to stick to their guns. They wanted to create a new type of series for a new audience. Here’s hoping that new audience is big enough to keep the series, and the franchise going. – To do that it has to try to match SG1, or at least equal Atlantis. From what i have read, the ratings are questionable on that score.

    (Shrugs) It feels like Star Trek Enterprise all over again.

  • @vcs1988 I like this show fine,but reading comments over here and talking to people,even many of my friends,for example think that BSG was better at this kind of storytelling and that something called Stargate should have kept it’s own approach to things and it’s own parameters if you will.
    As I’ve said I don’t have that kind of problems with SGU,although I loved BSG..but I can understand where they’re coming from.
    My problems have mostly been about the main story progressing too slow,but I kinda feel that changing now.
    I guess if the producers would upon that bring in more of the Stargate mythology and work on it,explore it further,plus some more action,instead of intentionally distancing themselves from it..more people would be satisfied with the show and more of the old fans would either come back,or actually give it a chance..regarding the latter,I most certainly know some that would.

  • @Mythos You remind me of an issue I had with some people,that call themselves Stargate and even sci-fi fans,although they evidentely don’t even understand what the sci-fi as all about. Don’t get me wrong,you remind me of that,but in a positive way.
    You are a perfect example of what I was talking about..don’t remember when,in which thread or comments section,amyway a perfect example of a SG-1/SGA fan who has some issues with this show and with whom I don’t agree 100%,but whom I understand.
    I simply like it when people are able to eloqently and with arguments express their opinion..what is it exactly that you don’t like and why and vice versa.Plus stargate fans who are not totally dissmissive,but open to positive changes.
    Finally you are the perfect example of a positive criticism that I can always back up,even when I don’t agree with it.A welcome attitude that people should follow as opposed to constant whining,negativity and unsubstantiated BS.

  • “The only alternative to ensuring a third season is to bring more viewers to Tuesday nights, be they SG-1 fans, Atlantis fans, or fans of Celebrity Circus.”

    Ummm… what?! I sure hope he isn’t implying that they think they need to cater aspects of SGU to attract friggin Celebrity Circus fans just to increase ratings for a third season O_o

    Stick to the first 2, getting more SG1 and Atlantis fans to tune in. Do a mid series reboot, dial up the action, adventure, science/scifi, and scrap 95% of the soap drama. Don’t go 5+ episodes without ever seeing the Stargate etc. then you will have your ratings!

  • I have finally started warming up to SGU, thus it would be unfortunate for the show to be flipped off after this season. I think that the whole Illusian(SP?) Aliance attempt to take over the ship was a bad start to the season, and honestly it only got interesting after that crap ended, though sadly w/ Gin’s death… she had so much to offer. The writers took something good and made it trite.

    Ok so all that aside. The tell is that the move by SyFy to Tuesday night has typically been the kiss of death to any series on the channel. Honestly the whole WWE thing on SyFy is stupid combined with the channels continued push to develop really crappy movies based on even crappier premises is just utterly astounding.

    In any event I like the idea of the show having purpose or a plan, but then the Cylons had a plan and they got themselves cancelled so let’s see what the unSyFy channel has in store for us. Perhaps someone at SGU should grab Alessandra Torresani before some other smart show does.

  • @GoodThings2Life – That is the most well-put, concise assessment of the whole SGU love/hate thing that’s been going on since day one. I have to say, I agree 100%.

  • Every show usually has a plan, it doesn’t mean its a good plan. Look at Flash Forward last season, they certainly had a plan, but did a horrible job executing that plan. As much as I would like for the Stargate franchise to continue, I don’t want it to at the expense of ruining the franchise. Having the show go for 5 seasons is not worth it if it goes into nothingness like Star Trek: Enterprise. Though I’m not surprise at SGU criticisms because I saw this coming after some horrible decisions the show runners made for the season 4 and 5 of Atlantis. Let me reiterate, that I had high hopes for SGU when it started, but after a few episodes I knew they already f’up. I think the actors are great but they are put in a bad place. Enterprise tried to patch the show up after the first season and they slowly tumble down hill to its last season. I don’t want to see it happen to Stargate.

    PS. Its okay to be a Stargate fan and not like
    SGU. You’re not betraying Stargate by not
    liking SGU.

  • Five years would be fine, except they have yet to write more than a dozen necessary episodes for SGU. More often than not I come away from an episode thinking there was very little mind expanding science fiction. It seems at least half of the episodes are just people arguing about anything that comes along.

    I had the same issue with Battlestar Galactica. While I watched the entire series from start to finish, a lot of the time it was just a chore to watch while hoping for something awesome. Stargate Universe has that same “chore” feeling to it.

    Compare that to Stargate SG1 and Atlantis which almost always left you with a “that was cool” thought. To me the characters were more likable because they were not fighting among themselves constantly and usually discovering something fascinating or saving the world.

    In fact as I write this I’m reasoning out a new epiphany for myself. The concept of people making a difference, i.e. saving the world, is what polarizes the two big ends of sci-fi: Star Wars, BSG, SGU, vs. Star Trek (all of them) and Stargate (SG1 and Atlantis). The former shows are basically about war, both galactic and political; while the later group is more super hero like in nature. For entertainment purposes the later is much more enjoyable to me.

  • “The only alternative to ensuring a third season is to bring more viewers to Tuesday nights, be they SG-1 fans, Atlantis fans, or fans of Celebrity Circus.”
    Sorry too late JoeM. You (TPTB) lost a big part of your audience and it will be hard to keep it back in only one ep.
    You rejected your “old” strong loyal audience telling us you wanted new younger audience and after throwing us away you are telling us we need us.LOL
    A show deserves its renewal only on its own merrits and it’s obvious sgu doesn’t appeal enough audience despite a slim uptick last week.
    Your low rates show ppl wanted to keep the old style not your poor copy of BSG with Stargate name in the title to attempt to keep SG fans and use the success of the 2 previous series.
    Maybe sgu would have had more chance if the title would be Universe created by SG1/SGA producers.
    You only show your worries your lack of confidence in the renewal and particularly your lack of creativity.
    How sgu could be renewed with an average of 1.076 when SGA was cancelled with an average of 1.6 last season rates.SGA got 2.1 DVR+7 when sgu gets below 1.6.
    I wonder how SGA fans could appreciate if this renewal decision was taken. Another slap on their faces.:(
    It would be totally uncomprehensible.

  • I’ll be honest. You just cant see SGU for what it is, which is a masterpiece in its own right. All you do is complain about how it’s not what Stargate use to be. They gave us 15 seasons of that. It’s more complex because it’s more realistic. It’s more than just “hey we’re good and they’re bad”. I just dont understand how you can’t appreciate that. If the writers had gone overboard with the drama and this resembled a soap opera in any way I could understand more of the criticism but it hasn’t. So learn to appreciate all the elements here, especially the great acting and maybe we’ll get the privilege of seeing this epic story through.

  • The most likely outcome is not to renew it beyond this season. If the stories for completing the Arc are really that good.. they’ll burn them off as a straight to DVD movie.. but frankly that’s risky. SG1 has proven more profitable. In the end however with MGM as it is.. I wouldn’t take that bet. The SGU property just isn’t that profitable, the SGA is more profitable and they haven’t invested in a movie yet. The whole Farscape reinvented as SG1 thing didn’t it well with me.. if they were going to do that why not just have John Cryton step through a wormhole and into Stargate command.. from a few years or a parallel universe. That would have been more fun. 2010 and its sequels were more reflective of today.. a Stargate program in decline.. the rebirth and re-establishment for a purpose for the Stargate programs would be interesting.. perhaps as a pure Interstellar and Intergalactic Science mission.. suppose the Destinty crew were marooned by budget cuts, much more believable. And with the One way trips to Mars being proposed.. a better comment on society. The original SG1 Movie tagline was afterall “It’ll take you a million light years from home.. but will it bring you back?” What better restart could there be than a guest appearance by James Spader playing an oh so bad Senator cutting the lifeline to destiny?

  • What would a stargate budget cut change for the people on Destiny? Get to go to Earth less often?

    Also, I predict ratings for Resurgence will spike since it’s not competing with Dancing with the Stars anymore.

  • What would a stargate budget cut change for the people on Destiny? Get to go to Earth less often?

    Nope a budget cut would probably means more earth stories, they cheap to do.

  • i am just going to wait for the whole season 2 on dvd and 3 and so on. thats all i can do. i dont watch cable. and dont buy half season sets.

  • How does it mean more Earth stories if they get to go to Earth less often?

  • Okay, I said it before but I’ll say it again, how can people who are watching Stargate Universe this season who didn’t like the pacing last season NOT see the change in pace and direction this season? Minus maybe one or two episodes, this season has a much faster start than last season did. Are we watching the same show or are your comments still based on season 1 without having seen the latest episodes?

    If your opinion of SGU is clouded because of your disappointment over the cancellation of Stargate Atlantis SG-1 (in SG-1′s case it happened what, 4 years ago and Atlantis was almost two years ago), or if you have not seen the last three or four episodes, please do not judge the quality of the show’s stories until you’ve seen them. It’s only fair to those of us who HAVE seen them and recognize that things are getting much better.

  • Ok that makes a lot of sense. Now I understand why it feels so different than the other SG shows. It is comforting to know that the end is already planned…lol.

  • Browncoat1984 is right. I think season 1 is a failure. But season 2 is awesome. Everything. They realized what people need. There’s less drama, more humor. No faith people, there’s bridge, they control Destiny. Now they work together etc. SGU has changed since last season… but in a good way. :) It became a good show. It WILL BE RENEWED for a 3rd season. Minimum.

  • The show may get renewed for a third season but the budget will probably get reduced. Remember the fifth season of Andromeda, the budget got cut and look how crappy that season was.
    And he could just be saying that there’s a 5 season plan just to get people to want to see it for 5 years in hopes that they will fix the mistakes. It really sounds like the producers have been doing it so long that they think they can do no wrong, no matter what they do–there will always be people who think that the producers can do no wrong, and to some extent they are right, just not enough to keep the show good in the ratings. They give a few patches to the show but in the end, will never fully fix it because they don’t want to return to what Stargate really is.
    Sure there trying to pick up the pace a little, but what i see is that they don’t really want to.

  • I can already guess the ending right here and now. It will turn out this whole show was set in an alternate dimension (justifying different look and feel of it all).

    The crew will go forth and open up a dimensional portal in order to send the message to our own (SG-1, SGA) dimension to never dial the 9th chevron :)

  • If anything, I think SGU will get a 10-12 episode order for a third season and nothing more. Yes, the ratings are 20-25% better than Caprica, but keep in mind that SGU is also a year older than Caprica, which means higher salaries and licensing fees that will eat away at SyFy’s profits. That was one of the reasons why they canceled Atlantis–it was cheaper for them to order a brand new series than to license a 6th season of SGA.

  • Here is the key:
    they just have to:

    //SPOILER ALERT//

    1.-Bring Mckay
    2.-Make a recap episode at the beginning of each season.
    3.-Put it on a decent timeslot.
    4.-Make a lot of time travel episodes.
    5.-Meet the Ancients.
    6.-Meet the furlings.
    7.-Meet awesome dangers while exploring worlds.
    8.-Reach strange things ‘ala Star trek voyager.
    9.-Reach end of the universe, that’ll become a problem.
    10.-Discover meaning of everything.
    11.-Superpowerfull aliens repair the ship!!!
    12.-See what happends when the Stargates are planted in a new world.

  • I say go on. I didnt like the show at first, but it went better in season 2. Or, lett me putt it inn another way, it goes upp and down frome episode to episode.

    I would like to see the Atlantis movie get going now to, maybe the sg-1 movie asswell.

    Sorry about my english. Norwegian! :)

    Regards Snippxx

  • Every show like this starts out with a 5 year plan. Then depending on the ratings, they either stretch it, squash it or plan a rebirth after the 5th season. So the idea that this is ‘news’ seems somewhat odd to me. SG1 was originally meant to be 5 seasons. They extended it. SGA thought it was going to run longer because it’s ratings were doing ok, so they were attempting to stretch it which then blew up in their face when they got cut. Supernatural was meant to be exactly 5 seasons but they decided to extend it. Since the story had run it’s course, they planned a rebirth. Babylon 5 bounced back and forth so much that it kept getting squashed and extended and if you consider the series as a whole, you can see where it happened. So this ‘revelation’ was pretty much a given. 5 seasons is also a magic number for most tv shows because it means hitting 100 episodes, as well as some other things.

    The problem is, when all is said and done with SGU, there will still be a lot of ‘filler’ that just wasn’t necessary. So it’s not like they actually have 5 seasons of material planned out that tell the big arc. And saying this now really is a sign of desperation. Begging for viewers should be beneath a Stargate show. And it definitely shows that they’re aware that their ‘vision’ has not been appreciated so far. How far things have fallen.

  • This is good at least we know that the story is going to last 5 seasons. SyFy should anounce if they are going to renew a show at the Begining of a season so the writters can plan the season and if it is the last season they can finish it correctly and no abruptly end it without a end.

  • I wonder if the furlings are going to be brought more into stargate universe

  • @Horcrux – Television in the US is based on ratings which determine the cost to advertisers. They’re not going to renew a show before the season starts unless they have good reason to think the numbers will be good. SGU has given them no such reason.

  • Good to know that they have five seasons planned for SGU. Worse thing they can think of is closing the show without it being resolved. I was going to go into a rant about these SG1 and SGA “fans”. SGU story telling, development is far, far better than the pervious shows. Yes SG1 and SGA was good at their respective times but now I can’t go back and look at these shows seeing how corny they are. The writers, actors I feel knew this too and they had to take SGU into a better direction. Don’t forget they tried this with SGA but after season 1 that series failed or did the series fail when Teal’c looked at O’Neill’s watch at the start I don’t know.

    I now know why Robert Carlyle took on this role. :)

  • I just noticed SG-1 on Netflix and.. had to watch Lost City 1 and 2 again… (sniffle).. how I wish I had not done that. Go try it. Compare it to any of the SGU episodes. I dare you.

  • I hope that this counts for the UK ratings as well. Surprisingly I’ve got most of my family to watch SGU, my girl friend even loves it. Considering most of them hated (mostly my girl friend) stargate prior to SGU that must show something and I don’t think I’m alone in that observation. I know we don’t watch it on syfy here (its sky1) but I hope I’m contributing! Even buying the eps off itunes >_< … too much of a geek but I just want MORE SGU pppllllzzzzz =D

  • I hope SyFy gives the story a chance to pick up.

    It seems like after Galactica these shows went to more of a character based formula. getting the viewer to connect with the cast before speeding up the story.

    That I think has hurt the initial ratings. I was getting very bored with Caprica and until the last 2 episodes of SGU I was getting bored with SGU.

    BUT

    I have been watching Caprica online as it is still aireing in Canada, and I have to tell you the story has really picked up and I am loving. The problem is SyFy pulled the trigger to early. I hope they give SGU a longer chance to speed up, If it follows Caprica everyone is in for a treat.

  • Those first 10 episodes of SGU, was almost unbearable to make it through, then finally adding a race of aliens was much needed, really liking this season much better. Rush needs more more screen time, his by far the best character on the show but i swear he tends to just pop in out every once in awhile sometimes…and use the dang on stones the right way, why oh why have they not brought basically the ancient experts on board Dr Jackson? Rodney? Sam ur not too busy flying that Hammond around all the time are ya? Hello?! I don’t expect those characters to be there 24/7 but gez your telling me none of them is itching to get on board, instead she was hot but come on who the heck is amanda perry anyways? L O L and major epic fail folks!

  • @nickisdabest That is a great point about the stones. The foremost experts on the Ancients haven’t even visited Destiney, and its already season 2. We already know Rodney will be on in the second half, but seriously, its season 2 before he comes on. We know Daniel doesn’t mind using the stones, u would think he be on there already.

    And for you SGU lovers, like the show for what it is, a sequel to BSG. Its not Stargate–it only has the name.

  • You SGU people seem to forget that Stargate is about exploration and the characters fit into that premise. BSG was about characters and not exploration. The Chloe character seems to have no purpose on the show so they have to do something to keep her relevent like turning into an alien–no, wait, shouldn’t Dr. Beckett be taking care of her already. I believe he has experience with someone turning into an alien.

  • @sg1sga: I haven’t forgotten that Stargate was about exploration, I’ve excepted that SGU is something different…and better.

  • I dont believe there is a 5-year arc. There is no evidence that a 5-year arc was planned at all, and in the beginning the showrunners said this show had “open ended story elements”. To me, it sounds like Mallozzi and Co are trying desperately to lock in some more years for their failed experiment, and I really see no reason why Syfy or MGM would allow that. The show has tanked and is not profitable, and thus should be canceled like any failed show would be. This is not about art or the fans (as loudly stated by the showrunners in the beginning). They are going to do whatever they want, and so far that has been to do everything the fans DONT want.

    EXACT QUOTE from Joseph Mallozzi:

    “SGU is NOT SG-1 or Atlantis. It’s a different show in terms of tone and characters. If you’re expecting flawless people, square-jawed heroes, and stories that set up and deliver all the answers over the course of a forty-five minute episode, you WILL be disappointed. And DON’T expect that to change. If you don’t like the character interactions, romance, and open-ended story elements introduced to date, you’re in for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong haul because that’s our show.”

    Sorry Joe, but NO.

  • @dendu You said:

    “Browncoat1984 is right. I think season 1 is a failure. But season 2 is awesome. Everything. They realized what people need. There’s less drama, more humor. No faith people, there’s bridge, they control Destiny. Now they work together etc. SGU has changed since last season… but in a good way. :) It became a good show. It WILL BE RENEWED for a 3rd season. Minimum.”

    Just LOL.

    The things you mention with regard to season 2 have nothing to do with the renewal decision. It does not matter to decision makers that things were changed for season 2, or that the drama is different or that there is a mission or that they are trying to turn these bickering characters into a team. ALL that matters is the RATINGS and nothing more. And by “ratings”, I mean specifically Live+SD. The ratings for this show are dismal, squarely within red alert cancellation territory. That the showrunners say that there is a 5-year arc is irrelevant if the ratings are at current levels. 5-year plan or no, with these ratings they should start moving the big things out of their offices now, so that when the cancellation announcement is made in January, they can just leave with one box instead of several.

  • The BSG was about a relatively small group of a nuclear holocaust survivors,on the run for their lifes from constant cylon attacks.It was about the desperate attempt to preserve the human race..not civilisation..RACE!!
    Of course that when we’re talking about the very biological survival,things are gonna be the certain way..dark,very character driven,desperate sometimes,very fundamental and so on and so forth..all that is appropriate in that kind of a situation..in accordance with that premise.And it had worked perfectly!
    Stargate IS something else,or it most definitely should be..it is about exploration and adventure.,so it should stick to what it knows.
    Bottom line,after some more consideration,I’ve decided that I agree with some of the previous post,where people’d said..Stargate is one thing and if you want to watch and added to that even define SGU,you should see it for what it really is..a bad..,well maybe not bad,but at least worse copy of Battlestar Galactica.
    I’ve changed my mind..this show has nothing to do with Stargate and BSG has been done and finished..AMEN!!

  • @yesman1701 – Care to elaborate? I can provide sources for everything that I said so I guess my drug would be called facts? Might want to try it sometime. ;)

  • @Overmind One – Do you have a source for whether the show is actually losing money or not? I’ve been unable to find anything that was clear about it and while the ratings are far from stellar, the amount of money that it has to make is drastically less than what’s expected from a major network so it could theoretically still be making money even with the ratings where they are at. The ratings do matter but ultimately only as they factor into the profits of the show.

    I’m still relatively certain that as long as it’s making a profit, even if not a great one, because of MGM’s situation and the need to seem stable, they’ll keep it going as long as they’re not losing money. I’m assuming that they’re not from the simple fact that the show hasn’t been cancelled yet.

  • Yall was saying they should just cancel SGU . I say let them do their best, make the full 5 season’s and tell the story. I like to watch anything scfi that has people flying around in space, weather or not if its true to the franchise that started it or not. Please dont let the show die! I need something to escape my real life stress. If they do cancel the show then something worse will take its place plus we the true fans wont have anything to take our mind of how crapy our reel world is getting. Stupid people kill too many good stories/shows (ie firefly) In short ,stop winning about how it aint SG-1 or SGA watch it for what it really is, a scfi show with a cool starship.

  • I appear to have stumbled on this thread a little late but I will add my opinion anyway.

    SG:U tested my patience baly in the early parts of the first season. Much of it trod old ground to us SG veterans. For exam[ple the time travel episode and the general ‘gate’ beased episodes. Also they focussed far too heavily on background and earth based events with the stones. My biggest issue were musical time fillers at the end of most episodes. The songs were nice but it seemed like they ran out of ideas and needed to fill the gap ebtween the last words and the credits.

    As a big fan of Atlantis and general practical thinker I was screaming for them to just get Rodney on the stones as he’d have cracked Destiny with Rush long before now. However my patience has been rewarded. The final episodes of season one were by far the best as they settled into a single story arc, namely the Lucian alliance standoff and stuck with it.

    Personally Season two has maintained that momentum and delivered us a lot of answers, possibly in anticipation that they may be cancelled.
    The writers ahve clearly paid attention to the lack lustre starts and given us Destiny’s mission and tied up the fate of the people left behind on the planet in season one. Two questions that will keep fans such as myself happy for a long time. The acting has been good if not the writing to support it.

    They seem to have found their direction for this series now and are moving along nicely. I personally hope it gets to see out its full run and we discover just what destiny holds in store for all of us.


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