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Atlantis producer reveals more Stargate: Extinction movie details

Tuesday - July 26, 2011
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Enemy At the Gate (SGA 520) - McKay and Keller

Just how would that Stargate Atlantis movie have played out?  Writer and executive producer Joseph Mallozzi described the script’s opening scenes to readers on his blog a few months ago (story).  Now he’s offered up a few more details on the storyline that would have taken the city of the Ancients back to the Pegasus Galaxy.

Mallozzi previously revealed that Stargate: Extinction would have opened with Atlantis relocated from its landing site in the San Francisco Bay (“Enemy At the Gate”) to the far side of the Moon, away from prying eyes.  But the Ancients programmed an automated self-destruct should the city ever be taken out of Pegasus — which activates, prompting the team to fire up the stardrive and make a mad dash home.

“It’s time to get the band back together,” Mallozzi continued, “and we check in with our various team members as they are called up and beamed away for the return journey: Teyla and her family, Keller, Beckett, Lorne, Zelenka and, of course, Sheppard and Ronon who are plucked away while receiving treatment at a local hospital following a barroom brawl (we went back and incorporated the scar actor Jason Momoa received following an incident near his L.A. home). Once everyone has assembled, McKay gives them the 411.

“Given the time constraints they face, they have to get back to Pegasus as quickly as possible — meaning they’ll have to use the wormhole drive again. Zelenka calculates that two jumps should do it.

Todd (Christopher Heyerdahl)

“And they’re off. Sort of. The first jump ends up burning out the drive, rendering it useless and leaving them stranded with the countdown clock ticking down. However, a scan of the surrounding plants turns up a habitable world within range. They go there seeking help and, instead, end up involved in a wild time-travel themed adventure in which Todd, the Wraith, turns out to be, simultaneously, their hugest threat and biggest ally.”

Stargate: Extinction was announced by MGM and Syfy Channel in 2008, and scripted by Mallozzi and Paul Mullie. Financial issues forced the studio to put the film on the back burner. After MGM passed through bankruptcy and took on new CEOs at the end of 2010, hopes for Extinction were ended.

There are still hopes that the studio might allow a publisher to turn the script into a novel or comic book, but so far MGM hasn’t made any plans known — not even to Mallozzi.  Stay tuned to GateWorld for any future developments.

(Thanks to Marc for the tip!)




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  • Another time travel movie? Seems like a cop-out to me.

  • I really wish that those in charge of Spyglass would realize what they have with the Stargate franchise. They are stupid to not give us more Stargate.

  • :( This sounds like it would have been good. Damn you SGU. (Before anyone comes rushing to SGU’s defence: If it hadn’t have been made Stargate wouldn’t be looked at as a recent failure by MGM, and when it was time to make the movies there would have been a greater probability of the movies being made)

  • Jedi_Master_Bra’tac – since you apparently know so much about how things “would” have been, do you have any other information from that alternate reality of yours that you can share? Like, where’s the next terrorist attack gonna happen?

  • As much I would of loved to have seen a movie, i’m glad it wasn’t this, these time travel episodes have been done to death =/

  • The Fandemonium novelization of the return to the Pegasus Galaxy had a much more plausible plot, in my opinion (political).

  • This seems to me like a bad idea… I doubt I would have liked it. Ticking clock, time travel – haven’t we been down this road before?

  • No one is pointing out the blatant plot holes in this script. Atlantis all of a sudden warns everyone that it will self-destruct after being in the Milky Way Galaxy for weeks to months? My car alerts me the second I take off my seatbelt (if the car is still moving). The Atlantis team should have been able to either find this self-destruct protocol beforehand (over the years they’ve been there) or alarms should have been going off as soon as Atlantis left the Pegasus galaxy. And once again, it brings in the wormhole drive that was pulled out of thin air in the rushed final episode. And those plot holes are without time travel, which is its own can of worms. I think I would have been disappointed if it was made in this form.

  • I’m with JohnSN7 on this. Why did Atlantis not start this as soon as it was taken out of the Pegasus galaxy? Why did the ancients even want to install such a feature on Atlantis, and shouldn’t there be a way to just disable it?

    Not to mention…time travel? AGAIN? REALLY? This is becoming worse than Star Trek. I think this script is proof that Stargate has jumped the shark story-wise and needs to be put on a rest and brought back with new people. I can’t really see myself enjoying this film based on what was discussed.

    It kind of makes me think that the conclusion to SGU would have been disappointing as well. At least the current producers of Star Trek have said no more time travel after Trek 2009. Were they writing for Stargate or just making a Star Trek story with Stargate characters?

  • I hate to say this, but I’m glad this film wasn’t made. It sounds pretty weak. ANOTHER time-travel story? That is such a cliche at this point.

  • I Agree with all the comments about the self destruct suddenly becoming active after nearly a year and a half on earth (year and a half thing comes from likely time between Enemy at the Gate and the SGU episode Seizure). The time travel bit wasn’t good in Continuum, the whole thing seemed like a rehash of Mobius. It likely wouldn’t be good in here either. Revolution seemed like the only good movie with an interesting plot.

    I really hope this proves that all the bad writing fans say went into SGU wasn’t exclusive to SGU, because it really started in Atlantis season 5 and continued on from there.

  • I’d love to have seen this. Love time travel stories too (then again agree with you guys re. that the alarm should have gone off immediately…) Shame that they cannot do this, let’s say within 1-2 years

  • If they went back in time and met the Ancients, now that would be good. Also might have been a good way to get a SGU mention.

  • I just dont understand one thing WHY THE F*** DID THE CANCELED STARGATE ATLANTIS? The viewers were like 3 Million! Cant they ever be satisfied with anything? ‘IF’ they hadn’t canceled Atlantis the movies would have PROBABLY ( I cant see trough time so… ) been made, and that is one thing that i would have liked, so, everything the Jedi_Master_Bra’tac said is true, and you dont need to be very smart to see that just put 1+1 together and eventually its doesnt makes 2, it makes success, the thing SGU killed.

  • The more they divulge, the less I want it to be made. It just sounds like another Stargate time travel extravaganza. I’d rather see something with the human-form replicators. They were technologically able to produce a ship that could make the trip to earth. Sounds more interesting than another time travel story.

  • The automated self-destruct is just a stupid plot device to bring Atlantis back to the Pegasus galaxy. Really lame. It would have been much more interesting, if it would have been the Atlantis crew vs. earth military/politicians. The first group wants Atlantis back in the Pegasus galaxy, the other wants Atlantis near earth for protection reasons.

    The Atlantis crew should have gone rogue and “kidnapped” Atlantis. Contact with earth should have stopped. This way it would have been like at the beginning of SGA. That they established contact to earth in SGA, especially so soon, was a bad idea. It was making it too easy for Atlantis. It was a hindrance to interesting story lines. Too often the solution of a problem was help from earth.

    And again a time travel story? Really? I don’t hate them, but Continuum was already about it and countless episodes. And time travel also makes things often easy. They screwed up. No problem, just travel back in time, instead of finding other solutions in the present or live with the consequences of a failure.

    The movie probably would have still been enjoyable, because of the characters. The story still sounds lame through.

  • Ugly Pig – Especially considering a lot of innocent people have recently been killed in Norway – That snipe referencing Terrorist Attacks was Completely out of line!

    Everyone else – I’m with pmartin1. Three plot devices in a row to move Atlantis (Wormhole drive, delayed auto self destruct, drive inconveniently breaks down) followed by a time travel distraction as well? Not for me Thanks. This sounds like a string of plot contrivances joined like daisy chain. A far cry from SG1 and Atlantis’s high points.

  • @psw I think you should be glad that Atlantis didn’t contact Earth until season 2. Destiny’s crew started contacting Earth in the pilot and continued in half of season 1.

  • Time travel hasn’t been done to death, time travel is something you can let your imagination go freely, even though you have to keep ig logical xD And besides, you do have to be able to understand the difference between time travel and for instance a different reality or something.

    And I’m still pretty pissed about this actually, not about the time travel thing, but about the whole movies and how the secret hope is that the studio will make the story into a novel or comic book? I mean I don’t want to be a nag, but there are like… People like me who can’t really calmly read a book and especially not a comic book because they have an eyesight problem?

    But I know I know, they can’t really consider everyone and all that stuff, but at least people like me are sure right now that for the moment Stargate is as good as dead because of how people treated SGU, because a movie was the only way to really get to enjoy it instead of getting a headache from reading a few pages or trying to read the nice small letters in a comic book, so thank! *sarcasm*

  • Asgarder; 3 million? The season 1 pilot maybe. The average of season 5 SGA was 1.610 million. The first half of SGU season 1 was actually considerably higher (1.949 million) and the average of SGU season 1 was 1.684 million. Only SGU season 2′s ratings downright sucked (hovering around 1 million), but it’s causes have been endlessly debated and Sanctuary’s last seasons’ ratings certainly provide some new insight into that.

    I’m not really inspired by these new plot details. It is riddled with easy to find plotholes.

  • People need to stop hating. I mean yeah plot isn’t as great as I had hoped, but Stargate is Stargate and I’ll watch it regardless. People hated SGU and boycotted it… well guess what happened… ALL Stargate died with it…

  • @ xbladedragonx: True, I’d have watched it anyway even if I already knew these plot details because I think it’ll be better executed than how the summary sounds.

  • From the title, I always hoped that this film would have finished off the Wraith, they needed to be defeated once and for all at some stage. Maybe that was still going to be the case. Also this film could have redeemed them for bringing in the wormhole drive in the final hour. Bit of back story to it maybe ? Actually showing it ! Like I would assume that it was some ancient tech that McKay only perfected, coz this was huge for him to have coming out of the blue, even for McKay. I’m very tired, what was i saying ? My point, as dodgy as this story may have seemed, still would have loved to see it, even just for the shot of Atlantis on the moon, which would have been savage cabbage ! Revolution would have been brilliant too. Does anyone just feel like going to sleep for a year or two and waking up to see if there’s any good new regarding Stargate, last few months have been dismal out. Man i really should sleep, what time will it say i post this message ? 6, 7 ? haha, no way hosei, not in my part of the world !!

  • @The Admiral:

    “I really hope this proves that all the bad writing fans say went into SGU wasn’t exclusive to SGU, because it really started in Atlantis season 5 and continued on from there.”

    To me, it was even earlier than that: Season 3.

    Aside from a few outstanding highlights (Common Ground, McKay and Mrs. Miller, Tao of Rodney, and First Strike), S3 was littered with Replicators and Michaels at every corner of the season’s progress. (I mean, Kolya killed during a Lucius Lavin episode? REALLY??) The writers’ mishandling of Michael, Carson, and Kolya in that season began the downward quality of SGA that carried on through all of Season 4, and it didn’t return until Season 5 (somewhat, anyway.)

    And I agree with the majority here: These ‘details’ of what they were planning for “Extinction” sours my stomach even more so, and tells me that Spyglass did the right thing by keeping the keys of the franchise away from the current drivers. Let someone else drive Stargate for a while, and let’s get some new blood (and fresher ideas) in our Stargate stories from this moment on– if a restart is ever achieved, that is.

  • It seems the Ancients’ greatest power was creating plot devices :P

  • I honestly don’t care what the plot line was, I would just have been happy to see the characters I loved back in action again.

    But seriously, you had to use THAT picture? If that’s gonna be a major theme perhaps I wouldn’t have watched it after all.

  • I hate to admit this…but now that I know what the movie would have been about, I’m sort of glad it didn’t get filmed. Mallozzi lost me when he mentioned the barroom brawl scene with Sheppard and Dex–seems a bit out of character to me. I did, however, force myself to finish the article and REALLY lost interest when he mentioned the “time-travel themed adventure”. Geez! Were they going to do the whole SG-1 ending again?
    I’ll just keep my memories of Stargate Atlantis close to my heart and be thankful that Mallozzi et al didn’t make more of a mess of the series than they already had at the end of season 5.

  • I agree with everyone, the time travel stuff has been done way too many times. The last stargate movie was a time travel one too. I would have like the idea of Atlantis staying on Earth for a few weeks or months and actually do a full sweep of it to find out what else could be on the city. Like in the one episode where we meet the old Dr Weir we discovered they made ZPM’s on Atlantis.

    I would have loved to see this movie non the less and most likely enjoyed it though.

  • Good points
    It is Stargate and I love the franchise. I would have loved to see the characters one last time with more closure then just landing on Earth and throwing up the cloak.

    Bad points
    Don’t hate time travel in fact I quite enjoy the time travel episodes but never good for a series finale. The wormhole drive idea was god awful and should have never been used in the first place (but I do understand the timetable they were working with). If there is a wormhole drive then why don’t they just use it to catch up with the crew of SGU? Hell, go anywhere in the galaxy and F#$% the Destiny ship.

    As said before this movie would not have been the best but merely watchable. I did quite enjoy SGU and was disappointed when it got canned (even though they kind of did time travel to death in the two seasons they had) and I would have like more closure for them too. Just my two-cents.

  • Hehehe, I like Mr Mallozzi’s sense of humour. “A wild time-travel themed adventure” :).
    If the movie does have even the slightest possibility of getting done sometime (as he says as a movie, book, comic or radio play) then of course he’s not going to give everything, or indeed ANYTHING away.
    Although it would be hilarious to see Sheppard and Ronon in a barfight :).

  • Thunderbird 2 – I’m Norwegian. I live and work in Oslo, where the bombing happened. I am trembling as I’m writing this. Do NOT insinuate that I’m trying to make light of terrorism. And please don’t try to use this horrible tragedy as a means to silence those who have a different opinion than yourself.

  • Here we go more of the same old same old. I was right the first time I heard about the first part, and now that I have the rest. I now know that it would not have been good. I would like to have movies base off the SGA legacy series books.

  • instead of a wonderful Stargate movie, we get stuck with gay wrestling,,, morons are moving the market place…

  • this was supposed to be the movies that ends the series??? Really?? Oh this is bad, I’m glad it wasn’t made.

  • Given that so much of the movie is being disclosed, I think it’s highly implausible that MGM will be pursuing any more Stargate projects attached to the TV shows in future. If we ever see the franchise again, it is more likely it will be another series.

  • Well, I agree with everyone on one of the four plot-devices in the movie, “the Ancients programmed an automated self-destruct should the city ever be taken out of Pegasus”, yeah, that one. To me, that’s lazy writing, they could have come up with a better reason to go back. But, the “burning out the drive, rendering it useless and leaving them stranded”, well, upgrade that to just “powering down to recharge” I could live with. I like the “Todd the Wraith turns out to be, simultaneously, their hugest threat and biggest ally.”, hey, I like the character. And, lastly, “They end up involved in a wild time-travel themed adventure”, sorry, guys, but, I’m a BIG fan of time-travel stories, say, “time-travel” and I’m already in my seat waiting for it to start. (I noticed no one complained about Todd the Wraith as both good guy and bad guy, so, I’m guessing he’s not the problem.) So, I may not have liked the beginning, but, there’s a good chance I would have enjoyed the rest of the movie. But, until it’s actually made, I’ll never know for sure.

  • People place too much emphasis on the plot devices. Any story can be told well or it can be told poorly. You can have a good time travel story and you can have a bad one. We don’t (and may never) know which this would be. Now I’m not saying it would necessarily be good. Just that there’s no reason to assume it wouldn’t be based on such limited information.

    I, for one, find it hard to believe that they wouldn’t offer some explanation for the delayed reaction of the self-destruct protocol not being found and waiting so long to start off. I don’t know that they would, just it wouldn’t be typical of an Atlantis story. But for those whom say they were on Atlantis too long to not have known about it, there’s no basis for that whatsoever. Just because we have figured out how to play with some of their toys doesn’t mean we necessarily understand how they all work. Keep in mind that it would have been designed to be hidden from the Wraith whom are far more advanced technologically than us.

    And for those talking about the details that were put out there as if they give the whole story away…seriously? 3 lines of text explains the whole movie? If it were that simple, it never would have been made anyhow. With enough people guessing, yes, someone would likely guess the whole plot, but it would still be just a guess until proven.

  • I myself still think the movie would have been great. I mean I have to admit that even Continuum wasn’t the way I had expected and even hoped, but come on! If we only watch the series and it’s movies because it’s exactly what we want and hope, what’s the point anyways?

    But I just don’t get it that almost every response I see is of people talking about how the writers and everyone have screwed it up and how bad the story was. Ever thought about that the problem might not be with the writers and people of the show but with yourself? The reason people couldn’t handle SGU and boycotted it was because it wasn’t their could old fashioned SG1 or SGA style, and now, this story here is EXACTLY that and still almost everybody only has complaints? I mean first off I feel sorry for all those people because I think all they came up with was brilliant and it still is, but the only thing I keep reading since SyFy thought all of it’s other non sci-fi programs were SO much better, is complaints, complaints, complaints… If I worte anything of it and read anything like this, I would most likely just get depressed.

    I mean where has all the faith and belief in the series and franchise gone? In the same people that wrote a lot of episodes and seasons that made you love all of it that much? The only impression I’m getting to be honest is… People thinking they could’ve done it so much better, people who only seem to be happy that Stargate is slowly dying somewhere in a ditch so to speak the way things are looking.

    Be clear, I’m not calling any names, and my use of the word: ‘Everybody’ doesn’t really mean everybody, but I’m just trying to make a point, which no one will probably read or even care about.

    And I still want to say that if aspects like time travel are so overly used and stuff, then what the hell isn’t? I mean if a sci-fi series or movie these days does something new, then there are always complaints too, so then it simply comes down to that they couldn’t have done anything right?

    And the most important thing, I’m still convinced that if SGU wasn’t ruined by ignorant and stubborn people who caled themselves fans, both Extinction and Revolution wouldn’t have been the last movies of the two series, that the franchise could have grown even more, but I’m really getting the feeling that my brother, my best friend and I are the only people who still really believe that and still love Stargate that much.

    Maybe I’m just too simple, but I actually think that more and more people are just being to easy with criticizing something, just like how most girls I know INSTANTLY seem to have made their minds up from birth that Star Wars sucks, just because the word “star” is in it, just for example.

  • @mythos
    I believe that yes they would tell us everything that is going to happen they’re just that cocky. They might add here or there, but not anything important to the story.

    I just wanted to say something I’m a Michael fan so I did not mind the ep. with him in it. That is why I tolerated the ep with McKay he just became to much in season five. The show went from SGA to the McKay show. Yeah you saw Michael, but not as much as McKay all the time in season five.

    Anyway new blood is needed for Stargate. The thing that gets me is the producers ended SGA on a sour note. I would not have done that, because if someone ever was to come in, and redo that series and end it better then you well you know. I wouldn’t want to be the one to be known for doing the bad version.

    As for SGU I have always said that show was doomed from the start. You had the same writers how are you doing something new with the same writers? They got lazy in Atlantis, and they would do the same in SGU I’d say it would have started in season three.

    Anyway that’s my thoughts.

  • @Heero I couldn’t agree with you more. I love all things Stargate (although the original movie is at the bottom of my list), and I’ve been feeling this way too. I just re-watched SG1 seasons 5-10 in a matter of 2 weeks with audio commentary on many of the episodes and learned some interesting things that I thought would have been cool to see in future years if they had happened, for instance during seasons 10 and 3, they were thinking of having Carter captain the Odyssey and she would have been in both shows. I also learned just how funny Gary Jones is, and that the guest star in Citizen Joe was the voice of Homer Simpson.

  • I can’t not have Stargate, I loved them all I can’t stop watching them over and over, gutted they have stopped, can’t wait until the next movie, fingers crossed. I have enjoyed SGU I hope they do come back from that long sleep, I will be waiting…………. See you soon SGU, I hope.

  • @mythos:
    “And for those talking about the details that were put out there as if they give the whole story away…seriously? 3 lines of text explains the whole movie? If it were that simple, it never would have been made anyhow. With enough people guessing, yes, someone would likely guess the whole plot, but it would still be just a guess until proven.”

    This is one of the rare times I *wholeheartedly* disagree with you, my friend.

    I can’t speak for everyone here who agrees that the above ‘details’ of a possible Atlantis “Extinction” movie smells like doggie poo… but I’m a big believer of the “past is prologue” principle when it come to making a command decision on a person’s (or group’s) possible future course of action. While that principle it not always fool-proof, it is usually always correct one, and is a good principle to follow (something we learn in command schools of instruction, BTW…)

    You are correct: We do NOT know the full/real/actual story/plot/details that would’ve been fleshed out in the final process; but we can make an educated *guess* – and judgment, to boot- at such a scenario based solely on their execution of Seasons Four and Five, and from their released possible plots details of “Extinction”, should they ever were to get the go-ahead. (Yikes..!!)

    Again, as the saying goes: Past is Prologue.

  • @Heero:
    “And the most important thing, I’m still convinced that if SGU wasn’t ruined by ignorant and stubborn people who caled themselves fans, both Extinction and Revolution wouldn’t have been the last movies of the two series, that the franchise could have grown even more, but I’m really getting the feeling that my brother, my best friend and I are the only people who still really believe that and still love Stargate that much.”

    And @wraithkelso:
    “@Heero I couldn’t agree with you more.”

    Not surprisingly, I couldn’t *disagree* with you BOTH more. I do know that, sometimes, fandom majorities of a particular show/movie can be shown to be wrong; most of the time, though, they are usually shown to be right in the end.

    But I’m only using your quotes above to show that this huge difference between the two sides of Stargate fandom will go on for just as long as the long-running division between the Trek fans of the Roddenberry –ish, ‘utopian’-like Federation of its creator, and the newer Piller/Behr/Moore Trek fans of the gritty, less-glam Federation of late TNG seasons and all those of DS9. Berman/Braga– who once had a proven track record of putting out Trek fan favorites– tried to return later versions of Trek to that disjointed, free-wheeling storytelling style of 60′s TOS, but the majority of Trek fandom spoke out against that direction in droves.

    In the end, IMO, the Trek fandom majority were proven right… and Berman/Braga were jettisoned from any future Trek discussions at Paramount. Those fans weren’t “ignorant and stubborn people who called themselves fans”; they WERE the fans of Trek, just as these vocal fans who are critics of the current (now past?) stable of Stargate runners/writers certainly are, and I will always defend their vocal criticisms of SG whenever it is warranted— and, as in the case of SGU, whenever I happen to disagree with some of their words as well.

  • @medegno51 – I have to disagree for a couple of reasons.

    Extinction was written as a Stargate movie, not as a series episode. I don’t think either of the Stargate SG-1 movies were particularly similar to SG-1 episodes. Same characters and whatnot, but the style was definitely different (at least I thought so). I thought one was good and one not so much. But I didn’t think either was how things would have played out if they were done as episodes of the show. The terms of it being a movie lets those making it think a bit outside of their normal box. And since they’re not used to working under those terms regularly, it produces a somewhat modified product. This combined with postings on Joseph Mallozzi’s blog confirming the idea that the movies had a much different creative process than the episodes typically did leads me to believe there’s an unknown factor (particularly since I think the SG1 movies were not written by Mallozzi’s team but rather Wright, if I’m remembering right). So I don’t think it is safe to assume a direct correlation to seasons 4 & 5 of SGA for an SGA movie.

    This combined with the script’s current state just being a relatively early draft means that there’s a lot of process for it to go through before it would see the light of day. And with only minor details given about the overall arc of the movie, there isn’t really enough information.

    Now I’m not saying that an accurate guess can’t be made but I disagree on the criteria for making an ‘educated’ guess. And I maintain that not enough is known to make one. Using SGU as an example, if watching the first few episodes of Season 1, few would have guessed it would have lead to the last few episodes of Season 2. And far more information would have been available there. Sure guesses could be made and some may have been right but would they really have been educated guesses just because they turned out to be right? Or should an educated guess be an educated guess based on the merits of the information alone?

  • i like joe, and everyone else who has done there part. i’m not feeling the script, but I like Joe’s style. So it’s a toss up.

  • While I,as most here do not particularily like the script-plot,who knows how it would’ve been.
    I think it’s quite a contradiction for Ancients to have made the wormhole drive,which obviously makes sense mostly for inter-galactic travel and then made and switched on such a delayed self-destruct protocol.
    So I agree with @mythos.I believe they would’ve explained it if the movie was made.And probably made other,significant changes before they made it.
    And it is true,if choices were made based solely on such criteria,reg. shortest possible plot points,none of the Stargate would probably ever have been made.

  • Just 2 update myself on a point and add something to my last post, regarding the SG1 movies, Robert Cooper wrote Ark of Truth and Brad Wright wrote Continuum. Just want to give credit where credit is due. Also, just to reiterate, I’m not saying that Extinction wouldn’t turn out exactly how people are guessing it would, just that there’s not actually enough information to indicate that. ie it’s more of a ‘gut feeling’ than an ‘educated guess’.

  • Another countdown? Common, SGA keeps doing episodes where there are countdowns. In fact, SG1 “200″ made fun of how the franchise keeps having a countdown clock for things. It’s a little tiring to see that, especially since we know McKay works best with a countdown clock. I’d like to see a different reason for why Atlantis must return to Pegasus.

  • I forgot to mention a really big plot contradition in my earlier message. Wasn’t it the expedition who originally installed a self destruct in the city in the first place?

  • The more I hear the less I want to know and this comment section reminds me Trek Fans in withdrawl stargate style. This plot is awful 3 different ways from George W. Bush….

  • I think you all underestimate their ability to come up with impressive and creative way to use plot devices. I can’t even count the amount of times I heard someone complain about the communication stones, but after watching “Seizure”, how can you all still have so little faith. Haven’t you all done enough complaining? Isn’t that how we got into this situation?

  • @mythos

    That’s a good point you made, considering the differing paths towards episode creation and movie making– a point that I didn’t take into consideration.

    But even with THAT, we’ll still have to agree to disagree as to my opinion that the current creators in the SG stable really aren’t cutting it now, and haven’t been doing so for a few years now.

    Yes, mayhap it *is* possible that they’d come up with a better, more smoother-swallowing craft of scenery, dialog, etc… but, in fairness, we’ve given this current crew far more than enough time to show us their magic of better Stargate writing of times past. Sorry, Milky Way-ticking, worm drive-burning, “wild time travel” -ish descriptions to endear lost, bitter fans of a proud-but-now-diminished franchise doesn’t really cut it now, does it? And you (the lost showrunners) are trying to convince the new holders of the SG/MGM keys that you could bring back that said magic with… *this*??

    As we all say: In times of crisis, when one is about to lose one’s job (or to try to get one’s job back), you have to bring your ‘A’ game to the table. If they brought this (or some variant ot this) to Spyglass’ execs… uhm, NOT the ‘A’ game.

  • @The Admiral:
    “I forgot to mention a really big plot contradition in my earlier message. Wasn’t it the expedition who originally installed a self destruct in the city in the first place?”

    I didn’t recall, come to think of it. Maybe someone can refresh my spinach-for-brains memory…

  • If you’re saying the Ancients on the Auroa class ship they found traveling at light speed…No. The last people to leave the city were the ones Weir encountered when she saved the city from being destroyed by the arrival of her team.

  • @medegno51: You make it sound like people who think like me about Stargate and as thus SGU aren’t the real fans or something because they liked both and didn’t criticize it.

    And besiedes from that, I happen to know, watched and loved every season of almost every Trek series including DS9 and having a personal opinion, or even a group who think so, that it’s bad doesn’t make it bad, even if they got their wish, hooray for them.

    I’m just saying, not one side has to be the best, there doesn’t have to be a line between a different series and it’s spin-offs, especially even if it tries something new, because some people like to keep their work original, especially if the routine has gone on for a LONG period before then.

  • @Heero:

    “You make it sound like people who think like me about Stargate and as thus SGU aren’t the real fans or something because they liked both and didn’t criticize it.”

    Noooo… Once again, I point to your very own words in a previous post:

    “I’m still convinced that if SGU wasn’t ruined by ignorant and stubborn people who caled (sic) themselves fans, both Extinction and Revolution wouldn’t have been the last movies of the two series, that the franchise could have grown even more, but I’m really getting the feeling that my brother, my best friend and I are the only people who still really believe that and still love Stargate that much.”

    You sounded like the fan of a show (that just happened to be Stargate, SGU, et al) who seemed to trumpet his/herself as “true fans” of SGU, as opposed to the dullards who dared to criticize same– y’know, those “ignorant and stubborn people” and so forth. While there will be always loons in every group and on every side, most of those “ignorant and stubborn people” were giving well-reasoned critiques and opinions about the show that was ultimately executed for ALL to see— and not just us fans, but non-fans, reviewers, and industry insiders. They couldn’t have *all* been wrong…

    “And besides from that, I happen to know, watched and loved every season of almost every Trek series including DS9 and having a personal opinion, or even a group who think so, that it’s bad doesn’t make it bad, even if they got their wish, hooray for them.”

    You’re actually making my point for me, in a roundabout way. I said that, while fandom majorities are not always correct in every show-critiquing, show-saving scenario, they *are* most often proved to be right– and in reference to Star Trek, the results (fandom’s rejection of Berman/Braga towards the end of that ‘era’, Paramount getting new blood to oversee the future of the franchise, the fans reaction to the fresh direction, etc) have shown this point to be true, as well.

    “Some people like to keep their work original, especially if the routine has gone on for a LONG period before then.”

    As in business, as in politics, and as in life: If you find yourself unable to maintain the style, vision, and mission of the team/world in which you decided to be a part of– i.e. growing bored or dissatisfied with a “routine”– then maybe it’s time you took your disillusionment of the status quo elsewhere and try to expand such originality on your own dime.

  • @medegno51:

    Okay I get that, and like I said there doesn’t have to be one side or another with who is right and who isn’t, but there is also a big difference between the people that actually gave good critic and the people who just saw that it was a different style of series and already didn’t give it a chance, and I’m convinced that there are a LOT of people who thought so, or just after the pilot or something decided that they didn’t think of it as worthwhile, but that’s just my point, if you don’t give it a chance and especially if you actually start to boycot it, that’s that not real fandom in my opinion. Stating your opinion and all that and critizing actual points and all that, okay that logical I mean if you can’t do that then who are they going to listen to? But just plain simply saying how badly it sucks or other melodramatic responses to it like that, that’s just weak.

    And your story about the Trek stuff and how those fans were apparently right in the end and how people thought all of ti was so much better after it isn’t exactly right for as far as I know. I mean there were enough people criticizing ST Voyager, and especially Enterprise got enough responses like I think are a bit the same like SGU got, so it’s not like it gave the series a salvation because of the fans or something if you get what I mean.

    So what? Now it sounds like you either keep your series completely the same and ignore the fans when they say that it’s getting a bit cliche, or just stop making it and go do something else, but doing something original and new that’s in your head is a bad thing? I don’t get that.

  • @Heero

    “There is also a big difference between the people that actually gave good critic and the people who just saw that it was a different style of series and already didn’t give it a chance, and I’m convinced that there are a LOT of people who thought so.”

    I definitely agree with your assessment that a vocal few started ‘hating’ the idea of SGU before it even aired– there’s no argument over that fact. But remember: Just like the “Extinction” detail releases a few months ago, SGU’s details got released (both officially and unofficially) well before it was produced/aired, and SG fans (like now) made their pronouncements on the success/failure of that enterprise. We just have to agree to disagree on your decision to call those fans “ignorant and stubborn” and your inference- intentional or not- that people like them were the reasons why SGU (and now the franchise itself) is disappearing from our TV sets. Once again- ad infinitum: You make a good product, and the people will more often than not show up to support it.

    “And your story about the Trek stuff and how those fans were apparently right in the end and how people thought all of ti was so much better after it isn’t exactly right for as far as I know. I mean there were enough people criticizing ST Voyager, and especially Enterprise got enough responses like I think are a bit the same like SGU got, so it’s not like it gave the series a salvation because of the fans or something if you get what I mean.”

    Sorry… I’ve re-read your explanation here, and I still don’t get what you mean. You said my example of Trek fans’ being vocal and correct “isn’t exactly right for as far as I know”; all you need to do is look back at all the critiques/responses during VOY and ENT– both professionals reviewers AND fans alike– and the welcoming responses to Trek’s new guardianship *afterwards*, and my point still stands up to scrutiny.

    “Now it sounds like you either keep your series completely the same and ignore the fans when they say that it’s getting a bit cliché, or just stop making it and go do something else, but doing something original and new that’s in your head is a bad thing? I don’t get that.”

    It’s all very simple, Heero: You can keep a series/book/column from becoming “cliché” by writing BETTER, not DIFFERENT.

    Stop writing *every* SGA episode with the same inane “It ain’t working, Rodney!– I’ve done all I can, Sheppard!!– Just fix the damn thing, McKay!!” batter, and stop bringing Milky Way/SG-1 antagonists (Replicators) to the Pegasus Galaxy. Make better dialogue and create newer, Pegasus-area antagonists. They’re supposed to be creative professionals; so the fans say, “Create, already, will ya?”

    BUT… when you *do* decide to ‘better’ the show, do not make it DIFFERENT by suddenly making the entire show/franchise into a style completely askew to the mythos already established since the franchise began on Showtime. Suddenly turning a franchise of super-smart scientists and well-trained military members, into a show totally consisting of professional, self-serving misfits and below-par, not-so-well-trained military members… and no one can grasp why SG fandom was all up in a collective roar over this?

    So, it is really not that hard to understand why the deep divisions that such a change of direction has sprung among our fandom, Heero. They’re not “ignorant and stubborn”.

  • @medegno51 – Regarding whether the current stable is cutting it – I hadn’t meant to intentionally imply that I thought it would definitely be better than some of the grim assessments given. I definitely think it could turn out just as easily to be bad, just in a new and wholly unexpected way. They could, for example, come up with a great way to handle the time travel story and completely screw up the character interactions. Any implication of it necessarily being better was just a manifestation of hope for such rather than meant as an indication of the anticipated outcome. My over-arching sentiment was more on the assumptions being made on so little information.

    To again use SGU as an example, many assumed it would be really bad well before it hit the air. And they were right, relative to season 1. However, if the show had started off more like it ended up at the end of Season 2, things could have turned out very differently. But until it aired, we didn’t know. To use another Stargate-referenced reference, it was basically Schrödinger’s. Now I do believe that with enough information, accurate guesses can be made. But again it is a matter of how much and what type of information is available. To someone unfamiliar with it, the most recent Lord of the Rings movies could be described as “a movie about a group of friends trying to return a piece of jewelry and a guy who was reluctant to be a leader made by the guy who did King Kong”. It’s not an inaccurate description and some who are familiar with it may still think that’s all it is. But most would generally agree that description doesn’t do it justice. Now I’m not really expecting that the SGA movie would wind up a rival to Lord of the Rings, just that not enough is known to really get a feel for what it would be.

  • “Stop writing *every* SGA episode with the same inane “It ain’t working, Rodney!– I’ve done all I can, Sheppard!!– Just fix the damn thing, McKay!!” batter, and stop bringing Milky Way/SG-1 antagonists (Replicators) to the Pegasus Galaxy. Make better dialogue and create newer, Pegasus-area antagonists. They’re supposed to be creative professionals; so the fans say, “Create, already, will ya?”

    BUT… when you *do* decide to ‘better’ the show, do not make it DIFFERENT by suddenly making the entire show/franchise into a style completely askew to the mythos already established since the franchise began on Showtime. Suddenly turning a franchise of super-smart scientists and well-trained military members, into a show totally consisting of professional, self-serving misfits and below-par, not-so-well-trained military members… and no one can grasp why SG fandom was all up in a collective roar over this? ”

    Oh boy this by medegno51 is SO true. I simply wasn’t able to look past SGU’s stupidity. Was it irratating that Rodney saved the day every day…yes…but far more tolerable than what SGU had us saddled with. But in the long wrong SGA couldn’t have held out long with that sort of bad writing…It would have survived to the end of season 7 but I’m sure that would have been the end because they HAD NO IDEA wheere Atlantis was going.

  • @mythos Lol,that’s exactly right,what you say..LOTR being a great example the way you put it.In fact many,if not most of the SF/Fantasy movies/tv shows can sound pretty silly when described in a sentence,or two.Till you see the final product,or know enough about it.
    And points for Schrodinger’s cat.Untill there’s enough information,or better yet,till we hypotetically see it,it’s bad and good at the same time.:)

  • Although,as most here agree..drawing from what we know not only from this description,but from experience we all have with the context of the show,especially SGA in this case..it’d have probably really turned out…not good,shall we say.

  • I’ll be honest. The writing was crappy in SGA there at the end. But I had already fallen for the charactors. All that McSheppard banter was really enjoyable to me.

    But, anyway… The script for the movie does not look like it would have been a knock-out on paper. Maybe it would have been better if we actually saw it played out? But we’ll never know know will we?

    I was super upset when I heard that SGA was getting canned. I loved that show, because of the charactors. And, rather the movie / Movies would have been good, I would have still watched them. Just to see the charactors I love back in action.

    I’m really not as critical on plots, and scripts, and writing as I see a lot of other people are. I mean seriously…lets face it, if you like Sci-Fi, most all of it is poor writting, and scripting, not to mention Cheesy, flaky, poorly filmed, low-budget. I’ve been watching the Sci-Fi channel for a good long while now. They are not known for Scripting, writing. It’s the charactors.

    The screenplay, is what does it for me. The way the charactors act. Can they make me laugh? Can they appear serious? Can they maintain theirself under a lot of stress? Ultimately…can they SAVE THE FREAKING DAY!? And with the SGA charactors, yes, they could do all that, and it made me happy every time I watched it, even if the script, writing was crap.

    SGU…well that was a completely different show altogether. I think it was more of a show for the people played the critic on the writing. It was pretty heavy on the drama side, where the rest of the whole stargate franchise was not.

    I would have watched it. I’d still watch it. I’d pay a subscription fee ever month to watch SGA if I could have a chance to see it. No matter how crappy the script or writing is. I loved the charactors. Now…they are gone. It sucks!

  • Why don’t they make Atlantis the new SGC and start running ops out of there. Then the movie could be about earth mustering up an armada and an army and heading back to pegasus galaxy in force to finally kick some wraith butt and finish them once and for all. Besides I would like to see Dr. Weir come back and start building better ships for earth. Thats what I think.

  • Why would anyone want to see a resolution to the conflict with the Wraith in the Pegasus Galaxy when we can have another time-travel story? The whole self-destruct thing is kinda ridiculous too.

  • @Copenhagen I’m positive that pretty much everyone here would watch the movie if it was made,no matter what we say or think about the script.
    I agree that most of the SGA,especially since season 3 was cheesy and poorly written,but I also loved it for the characters.
    On the other hand I don’t agree that is the case with most of the SF.In fact,last 15 years have been golden years for SF on tv I think.
    Also contrary to many opinions I don’t think that SG-1 was cheesy,or poorly written.It had really great group of characters,but it didn’t depend just just on them and their chemistry,like SGA.I happen to think SG-1 was actually very creative and very well written,regarding both;specific,individual episodes and long arcs..regardless of the characters.Better even than SGU that as you say had the writting on it’s side,but lacked the character chemistry up untill the very end.
    SG-1 had it all.Great writting/story,great acting,great team spirit,drama,humor,intrigue and action/adventure.

  • The writing in SGU was full of plot holes and contrivances. It was some of the worse stuff I had seen in sometime. What I saw of Season 2 (limited) was an improvement.

    SGA: Contrivance, Contrivance, Contrivance and Deus Ex. But it had great and lovable characters.

    SG-1 was cheesey but in a good way. Look at the sets, bad guys always lost good guys always won but it was about the characters. That’s what the last two series failed to create…plot for the characters…

  • @Saquist How can a show be cheesy in a good way.It either is,or isn’t.I don’t think SG1 was cheesey,because the things they did in such a manner,they always did on purpose with a clear intention and a strong sense of self-irony,self parody even at times.Sometimes it was completely direct like always mentioning “great timing”,or “how’s that for a timing” when someone would be saved in a nick of time and O’Neill’s usual sarcastic remarks.Other times it was more subtle.
    Regarding sets,that doesn’t determine whether a show is cheesey,or not..look at the Babylon 5 sets.It has to do with money,budget..besides even those had improved later on in the show.
    And as far as bad guys always losing,well that’s simply a constant in literally every tv show..ever.Even movies have been the same up untill recently.

    Otherwise I agree SG1 did have great,lovable characters and the best team out of all franchise series.

  • Oh and I don’t agree that writing in SGU was full of plot holes.One may think it was good,or bad,but unlike previous two series,where plot holes were oftenly used as a story-telling device,due to their more episodic nature,SGU had by far the least plot holes.It was quite consistent that way,most probably because it was meant to be one long story,largely fundamentaly thought through upfront concerning main elements.

  • Do we really need such contrivances to create a movie? No! Just follow the logical story line. The Wraith that made it to earth more than likly left data or personel back in Pegasus that point the way to Earth.

    The Wraith need food and they are technologically advanced enough to eventually find a way to Earth. Obviously Atlantis would have to be sent back to Pegasus to finish off the threat.

    This time though, Atlantis is fully refurbed with a fully staffed crew. Also Rodney finally figures out how to manufacture there own ZPM’s so that Atlantis is fully operational.

    Other earth battle ships are finished to send off to the battle with Atlantis.

    Sub-plots:

    Wraith that are willing to take the gene therapy – so good Wraith, bad Wraith.

    There are still replicators floating around in space though unlikely to be found they could still be reactivated

  • I like that Atlantis would have been moved out of the San Francisco bay. The San Francisco bay is busy, with cargo ships, and pleasure crafts. I thought parking Atlantis in the bay was so bogus. Having Atlantis moved to the far side of the moon makes sense. Out of the way; out of sight; but still easily accessed with jumpers. I’m actually okay with the self-destruct plot device. Atlantis is a very large city, not fully explored, and has a lot of damage. The self-destruct could have been damaged, and the work done on the city fixed the self-destruct. Not the first time an SGA story dipped into the “Atlantis is a really big city, with a lot of stuff we don’t know about” well of plot devices. But, time travel? Ugh. There’s so much going on in Pegasus in the present, I’m not crazy about the idea of going into the past, or for all I know, the future. Bottom line: I really appreciate Joseph Mallozzi releasing details on what would have been Stargate: Extinction. I hope it is novelized; I’d buy it. I read the first two Fandemonium novels of the Legacy series, and I am over that series of books. Stargate: Extinction as novel would be lovely. I’m ready to pre-order it, time travel or not.

  • @Jim: SGU wasn’t episodic. It was serial.
    Episodic means LOOSELY connected or irregularly consistent.

    Full-of-plot holes, When the characters simply over look Rush’s indiscretion dialing the 9th Chevron instead of a another planet. That’s an inconsistency in behavior. Plothole.

    When Young and Wray decide to simply over look the attempt to take over Destiny. Plothole

    When the ship is under attack by aliens and Chloe decides to investigate someone cutting through the ceiling to get captured. Plothole

    When they say Destiny barely has any shield’s and the next episode they fly through a sun. It’s a bit inconsistent. One would think this would end in peril.

    The BIG ONE:
    Young asphyxiates Telford/Rush body to save him from the mind control and the very next episode he won’t asphyxiate the invasion team because Telford is with them. No sense what’s so ever.

    There were so many character plot holes it was obscene. People doing things that made no sense what-so-ever.[Plothole: is an inconsistency in events or character behavior relevant to the plot that goes on unexplained]

    But what was worse than the character plotholes were the contrivances like Michael Shanks said. It wasn’t simply Deus Ex Contrivances like sci fi is known for. SGU found new ways to get themselves out of plot problems.

    Destiny would save the day (being non sentient)
    The Ice opens up (miraculously)
    Rush just happens to catch a ride back to Destiny.

    I used to have a complete list but for a “realistic drama” (as they called it) SGU took advanatage of alot of the righting style from Atlantis to finish up its stories and even went lower. You can forgive SGA for this but SGU was trying to be different.

  • @Saquist That’s what I said.If you read my sentence more carefully,before you started a lecture about what episodic means,you’d see it.I said that the first two series were more episodic,unlike SGU..which of course was serialised.

    And those examples of yours are more of a deus ex machina type of storytelling than plot holes.
    Plot is similar but not quite the same.It means resolving certain situations by abandoning already established continuity regarding the same type of events.

  • Granted But they are plot holes by definitions.
    Deus Ex is a typically a device that is extremely unlikely. SGI and SGA used various types of Deus Ex from time to time…like the explosion is happening right now but it will take a while for it to get to us so when the shield goes down for the explosion we’ll escape…all of stuff like that. Sci Fi does alot of that in general because it’s sci fi it doesn’t have to hold to current understandings of forces and etc.

  • I for one would have liked to see the series go full circle with both SG1 and SGA and give full closure if this was to be the last. Like many have said it is a weak storyline with not many imaginative ideas. Anyone on here ever thought that all the ideas we have could put together a very good ending to the series?

  • This is just bad. If they want to make a great movie,they should have done a movie based on the Aschen(I know they’re SG1, not SGA, but still…). Remember we gave them an address to a blackhole, which they probably used, I think they would be really mad and want revenge. They are very advanced, probably as advanced as the Tollans, and we know they have spaceships, capable of hyperdrives…so….

  • @Saquist Yeah,that actually is true.And it’s more about convenience;oh lucky us that it happened just when it did.
    And I’m not saying they didn’t use it in SGU as well,just in my opinion less than in previous two..especially SGA..and then especially with Sheppard’s death wish,lol..How many suicide missions did he run and then something had happened at the last second?

  • It sounds like a really great script! I would have loved to have seen it as a movie on SciFi. I wish MGM would consider making it, still, instead of mothballing it, because there are a lot of really major fans of the show, like me, who would love to see it. The guys who wrote the script have been with Stargate from the beginning, so who better than them to continue to tell the story? How about a new series, guys? I’d definitely watch it!

  • I think it’s time for a merger! A movie from each stargate program SG1, Atlantis, and SGU! All ending in the same direction and then spawn a new Series or movie series as one… Or just spawn a series as one giving each an episode to sum things up and allow everything to slam into one big ball of AWESOME!

  • its not about plot holes and time travel or anything like that. its about the relationships between the characters and how they make us think and feel. its about spending time with friends and family to laugh and wonder about what happens, its fun!

  • I have watched Stargate since the original movie, SGA had so much more potential, but was cancelled after 5 seasons. Now they have shelved the movie. They release all kinds of rubbish but the one good thing they have, they shelve. what a surprise

  • Out of all the SG SGA is the best I still watch them on netflix all the time. I am such a big fan I would consider funding the SGA movie.

  • I read through these comments and I remember when someone first told me about Stargate SG-1 and the storyline. I thought it was crazy and I wasn’t going to like it. I watched it and I was hooked. I wasn’t hooked on SGU, but I have bought most of the seasons between SG1 and SGA. I was really looking forward to this movie. I agree with Becky, its about the relationships with the characters. I hope someday it will come out in a movie form because I don’t have time to read a book.

  • Wow! Disappointed! Since years I am annoying the local DVD shop time and time again asking when the movie after SGA will finally arrive. Now (a bit late, granted) I checked the net and learned about the MGM financial difficulties – well, no wonder, if they produce .. like SGU… I absolutely loved SG1 (Richard Dean Anderson is the key to success in there), and while SGA was slightly annoying sometimes, it was still OK (I own all SG1 and SGA)- but when I just saw a few minutes of SGU it immediatley reminded me of the SG1 episode with the communication stones and some bloke released very low quality soaps of the SG1 adventured he “dreamed” in that story – that soap was realy realy bad (and was supposed to be), but SGU was way worse – no wonder MGM went bust with that!
    Still, I would love to buy Stargate Extinction!

  • Listen carefully. If they get the money and they get one shot to make an awesome movie comeback, then the only way this can go is they need to weave Atlantis in with the SG Universe bringing the enemies from both together with the end goal of them finding out what happened to the ancients.


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