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  1. kzap333
    July 20, 2009 at 5:00 pm |

    Meh, seems like it’s worth a rent, shame they cut the cliff hanger ending, that will muck up continuity.

  2. darsfog
    July 20, 2009 at 5:15 pm |

    I probably will get it… but i will have to convenience myself a little to do it.

    Tho i would like to see Heroes pt1&2 together… That is an awesome and one of my favorite episode(s)

  3. kzap333
    July 20, 2009 at 5:23 pm |

    The only other and I mean ONLY other episodes I would like to see a ‘final cut’ of is Lost City, just so they can add in all the shots o Mitchel and maybe shot some more.
    Apart from that I don’t think they should do any more re-cutting of episodes also am I the only one who prefers the silver gate puddle from the earlier seasons???
    The newer SciFi seasons are good but nowhere near as good as 1, 2 and 3 in my opinion.
    But the I will defiantly rent the DVD and probably buy it when the price goes under £5 ($7).

  4. Trekky
    July 20, 2009 at 5:30 pm |

    Its only $18 at my local Target. Cheapest place I could find.

  5. talyn2k1
    July 20, 2009 at 5:40 pm |

    The effects look like a massive improvement and I’m glad they decided to tackle some of those nasty canon-violating errors and just plain oddities in the episode.
    Yeah, I wish they’d left the final Kawalsky scenes in, but I understand why they’ve removed them so I won’t be worrying too much about that.
    Will definitely be buying this when it comes out in the UK.

  6. Mrja84
    July 20, 2009 at 5:43 pm |

    I liked SG-1 a LOT more back when it was less silly and cliche. So while some changes seem worthy, I’m a bit turned off by the mentioning of Brad having a final victory over the fights from 12 years ago.

  7. NorwegianFan
    July 20, 2009 at 6:13 pm |

    Great review! Interesting to hear about some of the changes that have been made, and I’m looking forward to watching the DVD.

    But I’m surprised that you didn’t mention the improved picture quality with one word. At least I assume it looks much better than it used to – based on the new screenshots and Brad’s previous comments.

    Earlier DVD releases of COTG (and the early seasons) suffered from heavy grain, so better picture quality is probably the number one thing I’m looking forward to with the recut version (along with RDA’s commentary).

  8. Gilder
    July 20, 2009 at 6:47 pm |

    By cutting the “sexual organs” line, they’ve lost the setup for the joke in “Birthright”, where O’Neill reverses the line’s genders.

  9. Donsta
    July 20, 2009 at 7:47 pm |

    I guess they have to do a final cut version of “Birthight” now

  10. Trak90
    July 20, 2009 at 8:04 pm |

    im definitely getting this! i dont care how much it costs!

  11. Clemontine
    July 21, 2009 at 1:01 am |

    This sounds great. I heard some bad reviews but I dont see any changes mentioned that I have a problem with, and I actually like them all. And I dont think this is meant to replace the original pilot. Its more like a companion for the fans. There is no need to worry about missed references.

  12. zack
    July 21, 2009 at 1:47 am |

    Your review is excellent; and while I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the version of Children of the Gods that has aired until now, you’ve made me want to see the re-cut version. I think the changes (deletions, modifications and additions) you discussed all seem really appropriate and – rarely am I EVER this enthusiastic about a review – but now I’m really anxious to get this new working of that episode. Thanks! :)

  13. Winnebagel1
    July 21, 2009 at 10:35 am |

    Nice review Darren. Thanks for taking the time to write this.

    Having said that, I think I will be skipping this until it is down to bargain bin pricing. I don’t think I can stomach a Brad Wright vanity project.

    I appreciate all of his efforts over the years, but it seems like Brad has once again ignored the fans, and has just done what he wants. SG-1: COTG has done just fine over the years in its original format and has become a part of established lore. It might seem nice to Brad to excise the “reproductive organ” line, but it then messes up lines in several episodes. Then by cutting out the scene where Kowalski is taken by the Goa’uld it prevents the new version from fitting with the next episode.

    Why didn’t they take the money it cost on this and put it towards making another new SG-1 movie? Maybe make one with the Aschen, Jonas Quinn, Crystal Skull aliens, or something else the fans have requested for years, and yet been ignored. I just don’t see why they would butcher a classic ep that didn’t need to be changed.

    To each their own, but I just don’t see the point.

  14. knowles2
    July 21, 2009 at 11:25 am |

    Sound like just one ego, money making venture to me, and thus I will not be providing them with my money.

    I actually prefer the previous version of the implantation of the sybiot.

    Also the fight sequence at end was actually better in the original, I prefer the old one of the kind ship that Apophis use. And it certainly did not need changing.

    The organ joke I actual thought it was funny and earned her respect in the room.

    The only thing which could compel me to spend money on this would of been a massive special features lists, with stuff from universe, snoopers from the last 12 years and the two versions of the film, one with all the new digital remastering done to it by left all the scenes intact. The ego enhancing one we got now.
    Just look a tru blood and the original and best STCOTG got nothing on the nudity front.

  15. Winnebagel1
    July 21, 2009 at 2:46 pm |

    That’s a fair point about Enemy Within Darren, but it is still a scene that seems silly to take out. It just added to the portent of what was to come.

    As far as Carter’s line, it has become famous in its own right, and has been referenced many times. Off hand I can recall after effects in 200, Morbius, and Birthright. Removing this will then impact all of those episodes and leave new fans in the dark when they watch those shows.

    I beg to differ regarding Brad. Wasn’t it him who said, in an interview on Gateworld, that he wanted a new version to include in new sets and in eventual HD format(i.e. Blu Ray, etc.), and he was always ashamed because there were naughty bits showing in the pilot? I thought he said he wanted a new version to effectively do away with the original cut. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that is essentially what he said.

    I still think the whole project is a redundency, and is not anything the fans ever asked for.

  16. arrakis44
    July 21, 2009 at 3:08 pm |

    I personally didn’t miss the ‘organs’ line. I did miss the MacGyver line, I thought that was one of the best lines in the episode when I first saw it years ago and I found that it was really startling when it wasn’t there.

  17. Winnebagel1
    July 21, 2009 at 3:41 pm |

    @ Darren,

    Okay. I stand corrected on what he said. Brad Wright was correct about the fact that many fans (including myself) are mad that he has decided to play with it, though. I think it is unnecessary and ultimately a waste of time IMHO. ;)

  18. ZhaneEndrick
    July 21, 2009 at 4:03 pm |

    People are whining about how removing Sam’s ridiculous ‘reproductive’ line ruins jokes in later episodes. Okay, I’ll concede that. For example, it does ruin the little joke in Moebius that referenced this line. It’s really fortunate then that Moebius was a terrible episode (perhaps the worst of the entire series) that can be completely skipped without throwing off any continuity (thanks to Threads being such a fantastic conclusion.)

  19. mehteh
    July 21, 2009 at 5:04 pm |

    Original is best. Too many cut scenes

  20. genjacksgrl90
    July 21, 2009 at 5:11 pm |

    I was just reading this and I got really bummed out. Why are you going to take one of the best lines in that whole episode out? That was Sam Carter’s biggest line in the whole movie, that line there told everyone watching that Sam Carter is a no BS kind of person, and she wants to be treated like a solider and not a woman who can’t do anything that the men can do. And that is how she was through the whole series she was a no BS kind of solider.

  21. klsmith
    July 21, 2009 at 8:16 pm |

    I am heartbroke. I just read that the “MacGyver” line was left out of the new version of “Children of The Gods”. I absolutely love Richard Dean Anderson and I watch anything and everything he is in. I am torn between buying the new movie or not. I replayed that scene just to hear Carter utter those magic words “We had to MacGyver it” and see the look on O’Neill’s face afterwards. Like it was an inside joke. I loved it. I will miss that in the new version. They say there is no improving perfection, and this is a perfect example.

  22. SG-93
    July 21, 2009 at 8:56 pm |

    I bought this earlier today, and I have watched it. In it’s entirety, I loved it, but it seemed odd to take out Sams two funniest lines. The extra animation was quite well done, I felt as though it was a new episode. The entire opening sequence was better than I could’ve thought, with the title appearing and then zooming into Cheyenne mountain. Well worth 17 dollars.

  23. digitalred93
    July 21, 2009 at 9:09 pm |

    Very well worth the 17 bucks. Just the remastering alone made it worth twice its price. I wish they could go back and remaster the first 4 seasons to look this good. It really is startlingly and gives you a whole new appreciation for the series’ crew’s efforts.

    An absolute treat to see the added scenes and extra pieces put in that really do make this more a film and less a clunky pilot. Best treat of all, listening to RDA and Brad Wright chatter in the commentary. I applaud them both for being big believers in showing versus telling (hence the reason for the recut).

    My only complaint (silly as it may sound) is while I appreciate the removal of the sex organ line (which has made me cringe since I first watched the pilot), I wish they could have kept in the line about Sam playing with dolls – specifically astronaut dolls. That set up so much for the early Jacob/Sam scenes in season 2 and was a great way of showing that Sam has had big dreams since she was a child.

    FX are spectacular and I agree with what RDA says in the commentary: if only they’d had the level of FX technology back then that they have today. Oh and… Chris Judge’s revoicing is so well done that its a wonder it didn’t bother me the first time I watched the original pilot.

    I’m grateful to have bought the thing (it’s at Amazon.com for $16.99). I concur with others. It would be great to see this done with a few more of the best big episodes. Serpent’s Grasp/Lair, Heroes and Lost City would be amazing if redone. Heck, I’d even like to see Mobius redone this way.

  24. aethre
    July 21, 2009 at 10:06 pm |

    Wow, I must say… I’m surprised to see the outcry against the removal of the reproductive organs line. That was actually the entire reason why I bought the dvd (well, other than the commentary track).

    I do miss the MacGyver joke and the Major Matt Mason exchange, though.

  25. Hajhaabotbea
    July 22, 2009 at 2:47 am |

    “Stargate would quickly establish itself as a family show, and I have to agree with Wright — the nudity just didn’t belong there. Whether or not you think Americans are prudish, that’s the culture of North America, and Stargate fans should be able to watch the first episode with their kids.”

    I think the nudity belonged there. I think all the SG-1 team should be nude too. It makes sense, they’re saving the world so they shouldn’t have to adhere to society’s delusions and closed-mindedness.

    Yes, the retarded culture of the US (I live in the US by the way) and the less retarded culture of Europe. I think the US people should watch the nudity with their kids, any age of kids: zero to whatever age you think isn’t a kid anymore. It’d be good for the children and the parents to see the nudity together. I mean, family shows should have nudity in them. Basically, no nudity = not a family show. Once we can stop subscribing to meaningless rituals such as these we can then continue on evolving to be one mind and become the universe to create our universe.

  26. frellwit
    July 23, 2009 at 6:08 am |

    I knew I should’ve saved some birthday money. :(

  27. cmuty
    July 23, 2009 at 12:26 pm |

    I don’t want to make too big a deal of this, because I do not care the nudity is gone. However, the review said that the scene was “gratuitous nudity for a 10 p.m. premium cable show”. Surely they must be kidding? The woman was nude, what is the big deal? This was a SHOWTIME show, not a SCIFI(or SCYFY) show at the time. Many, many of their shows had as much or more nudity at the time. I realize that the show morphed into being a “family friendly”, but my gosh, why the prudish depiction of what was actually on the screen?

    Again, I am perfectly content with Brad Wright removing the scene, even saying he was forced to put it their in the first place. To cast it in the light that it was “porn light” however is being melodramatic.

  28. CJ
    July 25, 2009 at 8:57 pm |

    I had to view CotG for/with my (then) young son, and what I had to try to explain to him was not the nudity, but the taking over by by the goa’uld. That was the more violent and disturbing act/issue at the time. He commented then about about Share being nude, but he was taught at an early age not to be embarrased about nudity. In fact, the nudity added to the scene, as it WAS a violent act to begin with.

    As for the Sam parts, I never liked the “reproductive” comments, but it grew on me, and I’ve always liked the MacGyver quip. C’est la vie…

    I’m going to watch both eps at the same time, side-by-side, and see how much was changed around.

    Oh, by the way, it’s to $14.99US at WalMart.

  29. Shanksfan
    July 27, 2009 at 1:54 pm |

    I bought it, I enjoyed it. HOWEVER… Seems a bit odd to run a “director’s cut” of the pilot ep of a series when one could be focusing on the future rather than the past. I suppose, if this has bothered Brad so much over the years it’s one thing, but to look back on something in embarrassment and say, “I didn’t get to do it my way, so now I’m re-doing it” is a bit weird, no? How many chances do we all get to do something over again?

    Although I thought some of the changes were excellent, I liked the briefing room scene, I liked seeing more of dinner on Abydos, and I loved Chris Judge’s looping of his lines, I miss some things. I really hate that they made Sam’s character into the perfect person with no flaws whatsoever. She didn’t say anything out of line, she wasn’t the least bit confused about whether to call herself “Captain” or “Doctor” – which set up her character’s interaction with Daniel throughout the series – and she didn’t want to hurl when she went through the Stargate for the first time. This seemed to be more about making Sam look good than actually doing a thing to give the pilot more “flow” or “suspense”. Nope. Jack is snide, and Daniel is flaky, and Teal’c is odd, but Sam is perfect. Weird if you ask me.

  30. cynatnite
    August 1, 2009 at 12:21 am |

    I thought they butchered it. They replaced scenes with ones that should’ve been left on the cutting room floor, they omitted lines, and left out portions of a plot setup for the next episode.

    Visually, it was good. That’s the only positive thing I can say about this.

    Glad I didn’t have to waste my money on this.

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  33. kumtrya
    August 5, 2009 at 2:34 am |

    I actually quite enjoyed this new version. They removed a lot of the dialogue and shots that always seemed cheezy to me (except the Macgiver line. I miss that now). This version is actually felt emotionally at times, particularly when Jackson says goodbye to Abydos. I enjoyed the new score too, but I will say that they didn’t need to remove some of the themes from the Stargate movie that carried into this episode originally.

    Oh yah, and I also liked the old event horizon look better, not to mention the wormhole graphics too.

  34. Ztype3
    August 5, 2009 at 9:27 am |

    I am so glad this episode was edited. It was the only episode my family never watched again (because of the nudity scene)

  35. flmatthew
    August 7, 2009 at 9:24 pm |

    I’m sorry I spent the money. Although the story does flow better let us face the fact that this is episode 1 of a series, it is not a stand alone movie. Cutting out the cliff hanger was just stupid. Continuity? The hell with it I guess. Let us not forget that the actual STARGATE movie was the genesis for the series, not the other way around. For this to be a stand alone movie it would have to tell the story from the beginning. Are we just to imagine that the Original Movie did not exist? Then how would we know about the Gate, it’s discovery, the bomb, etc. Again, cuts made it a better episode but lets not go any further than that.

  36. nsalan
    August 15, 2009 at 4:37 am |

    I love the new cut of Children of the Gods – it is generally a big improvement on the original. It looks better, sounds better and the story holds together more coherently. The characters are still clearly drawn, and Carter’s introduction doesn’t, IMHO, take anything away, in fact it adds to her professionalism and the sense of competency she brings. I did really miss the McGyver line and think that might be the only real loss in the “Final Cut”. Love Gateworld, and all things Stargate!

  37. mrb_50k
    August 15, 2009 at 3:47 pm |

    I was not impressed with the remake. I am a huge fan and found that removing content isn’t the way to remake an episode that started it all. I might have had better quality picture and some new content but I choose the original over the remake with out question. Next time I hope they add content and improve quality not delete history.

  38. Talaska
    August 16, 2009 at 6:27 pm |

    Having for years only seen the episode on Canadian tv, I was a bit shocked when I bought the DVD collection and watched the pilot. What Darren is describing for the “new” cut version of the abduction/implantation scenes is exactly what we have been watching up here all along. No nudity, no harem, no difference. Nothing prudish about it, tv here is more liberal than the states. The nudity adds nothing to the scene and really doesn’t fit in with episode or the rest of the show. I am sorry to hear the McGyver comment is gone, but I will buy the DVD at some point.

  39. Play of the Pencil
    Play of the Pencil
    August 21, 2009 at 2:10 pm |

    I think Brad did the right thing, taking the nudity out. To everyone who doesn’t think so, hey, you can still watch the original version. I’m glad to finally have the option of watching the whole thing through without having the remote handy.

  40. treknutt
    August 25, 2009 at 1:35 am |

    Let me preface this with. I am a huge SG-1 fan. I cannot believe how they butchered, Children of the Gods. They took out Sam’s McGyver reference. Jack’s comment about Sam puking and where said a comment about her having a “big lunch”. Conversation between Jack and Kawolski where Kawolski said he didn’t know (Jack) had a son. Took out the nudity. Waste of 15 bucks. I wish I could get my money back.

  41. phlyer
    August 27, 2009 at 5:47 pm |

    Just got done watching the “new” version of this and want to sum up this way.

    The good – The episode itself seems to flow much better. That’s about it.

    The not so good – Although I think the original was very clunky and at times slow and hard to watch in spots it did what a pilot for a TV show should do; set the story and premise for the future.

    O’neill and Jackson already had character development from the actual movie. This cut although as I said, makes for a more enjoyable watch it seems to come up short on character development for Sam in particular. The cuts to her character’s development seem to keep it in line with Sam in the last few years of the series however, not so much with the first few seasons. Her character woman battling for her place among the men didn’t just appear only for the pilot, in fact it was only a few episodes into the series and she was fighting male warriors and freeing the women from their traditional place in that society. Again, I do think it fights with the later seasons, just not with the early seasons/episodes so it seems a bit out of place.

    Visual effects – Before watching I did not read anything or find out what was new/added/deleted/re-done and CotG’s isn’t exactly an episode I watch with any regularity. The attack ships at the end were a nice touch, pyramid was nice, but I didn’t even notice it was different than the original. The oddest thing I noticed visually is at one scene Teal’c’s armor seemed to have a purple/yellow/red hue to it much like if you were watching a 3-D movie at a theater but didn’t have your special glasses (it wasn’t that bad, but was noticeable). I didn’t think much of it, till reading what was changed and realizing that it was the scene that he re-looped.

    I have mentioned it several times but to me, this re-edit does not seem to work as well with the character development of the early seasons, yes the “sex organs on the inside” joke made me cringe every time I heard watched it, but in a way, that was her character those season, a bit awkward trying to fit in and prove herself to the men. The McGyver joke didn’t need to get removed, thought it set the tone for a theme in the show of that sort of humor.

    On that note, if you are a stargate junkie and must watch everything, I’d recommend you just rent this one.

  42. cutecat93
    August 28, 2009 at 5:33 am |

    They shouldn’t have cut the Sam scenes in the briefing room. I miss the one with the Captain/Doctor, the dolls one too. And I really miss the reproductive organs one! Also, I miss the one with: “-Don’t worry, Sir. I won’t dissapoint you.-I was going to say <>” And the MacGyver one too! I mean, come on! Jury-rig? Boring! I don’t know, it just doesn’t set the basis of her character so well. I like the first one better. Altough it is good they cut the nudity scene. I mean, it’s a Sci-Fi after all, if you wanna see naked women, buy Playboy or something like that! (This wasn’t intended as a commercial)

  43. fwupow
    August 28, 2009 at 7:47 pm |

    One important improvement not mentioned is the restoration process which noticeably improved the video quality. The video was also given a warmer tone to the color.

    I don’t know that it was particularly brilliant for MGM to “cheap out” on this DVD. There’s basically no added value and so, little incentive for anyone to buy it. It would be much more attractive, if there were multiple versions and alternate endings etc.

    I think most everyone approves of the new score since the original was painfully bombastic in several scenes, but nobody agrees with ALL of the cuts. Therefore, a DVD with multiple versions would have been more attractive.

  44. Giantsfan
    August 31, 2009 at 6:31 pm |

    Just Finish watching it and have to say…they took out some good line like….carters reproductive organs and MacGyvering a system together….but added some good lines and screen shots to better explain the series. i give it a 7.5/10…….

    P.S- some one check out the bit when Kawalsky wakes up and another sg-2 member ask if they should leave and that it feels like hell has frozen over. Kawalsky say’s that their not leaving and walks off the sg member looks at another team mate……(I SWEAR ITS Daniel CRAIG). But i Cant find it on IMDB or anywhere it might say. please could some find out who this man is…


  45. Mish
    September 1, 2009 at 12:28 am |

    I borrowed the Children of the Gods 2.0 from Blockbuster Video, and MY GOD….i dont see the difference.

    All there was,….nicer locations. For example you see the city on Chulak, etc.

    They removed the nude scenes. What was wrong with that? Im not saying i look for the nude stuff, but this show isnt a kids to young teenager show.

    But now its going that way, after seeing what they are doing with Stargate Universe.

    I liked Stargate mainly because of the Egyptian Mythology, but fell in LOVE with Stargate ALANTIS. I bought every DVD, as i got told it supports the show’s lifetime.

    Atlantis had high ratings, even when Stargate SG1 went down hill when they brought in a powerful NEW enemy known as the ORI….who do the EXACTLY the same thing.

    Convert or Die.

    i just find it funny how they used the base of Christianity. Follow the path, or burn in the fires of eternal damnation.

    Straight out from the bible.


    back to the point, I was one of many true supporters of Stargate Atlantis, and what do the producers do? End at season 5.

    NOW. i will never buy a Stargate DVD, unless it Stargate Atlantis…….and not a money making edited episode like Children of the GODS 2.0.

    OH and to SYFY, and MGM and producers…

    You say you cant afford to make the Atlantis MOVIES because of the economy, and you even said you will make it.

    Then here you are going and spending SO MUCH MORE MONEY…….on Stargate Universe.

    You kicked our Elizabeth Weir……and the show went downhill.
    Im not saying Samantha did bad, but come on…..Atlantis had a new story….WHYYY DID YOU HAVE TO BRING SG1 CHARACTERS IN.

    You then brought Daniel Jackson in multiple times, Teal’c once, O’Neil.

    Have to admit the Return Part 1 & 2 were awesome episodes.

    Start making Atlantis movies, or you will lose more viewers OR better yet, spend less on the episodes, and give the viewers to more seasons OR Ten seasons.


    To the Stargate Atlantis Fans, you say how bad Universe is going to be, and blah blah blah. Who knows it may be good, and even better than SG1 and Atlantis put together.

    BUT, i stand my ground. I might watch Universe, But i take this oath. I will nevery by a Stargate DVD again.

    The Producers know the views will argue about atlantis, then calm down and just face the fact the UNIVERSE is coming out, and they will forget about Atlantis.

    Viewers: Dont make this mistake.


    To the wonderful actors & actresses, ALL OF THEM in Stargate Atlantis….my heart goes out to all of you. Im from Melbourne, Australia and i loved all of you in the show, and i wish you the greatest success.

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