Shanks: Give SGU a chance

Michael Shanks tells GateWorld about the early fan reaction he has seen toward Stargate Universe.

The Stargate fan base is nothing if not fruitfully diverse, and Michael Shanks (“Dr. Daniel Jackson”) has been one of several actors at the epicenter for over a decade.

The franchise’s third incarnation, Stargate Universe, is due to hit the airwaves this fall. The established fandom is once again reaching out with its diversity of opinions, and battle lines are being drawn.

Shanks has seen this firsthand, both in online message boards and at the Creation 2009 Chicago convention where we had the chance to catch up with him.

“I’ve never seen so many knives being sharpened for a show being aired, especially by the fans of the franchise, as I’ve seen over this past year when it came to Universe,” Shanks told GateWorld’s Chad Colvin. “I’ve also seen a lot of love for it. … But I’m just kind of surprised at the waiting-in-the-wings tension that is almost desirous for this thing to fall on its face. And I think that’s a mistake.”

Shanks has already filmed two guest spots for Universe, including the pilot episode for the series in which he makes a cameo. But it’s enough for him to draw some conclusions from the scripts he has read and the professionalism he has seen on set.

“The shows, at the end of each episode, they don’t wrap up nicely in a nice little bow,” Shanks said. “They’re not bottle shows. It’s very much an arc driven series. The interplay between the characters bleeds into the next one and the next one. The tensions and the relationships … So it’s very arc driven. By missing an episode of SG-1, eh, no big deal. Missing an episode of this might be a bit confusing for the viewers.

“I think that one of things that people should respect about this show is that what they’ve always felt about the Stargate universe is that they love the characters. They want to know the characters more. This show is going to allow you to do that. More so than we had the opportunities in doing it in our series. If that is what people always loved about it, this is the show that’s going to give [it to them].

“Is it going to have as much humor in it? I don’t know. I haven’t seen it. I doubt it. But there’s certainly going to be a lot more character driven drama, angst, conflict and relationship interaction than ever in a Stargate show.”

Many fans of SG-1 and Atlantis have already made up their minds about whether or not they will give SGU a chance. Shanks suggests that we reserve judgment and risk a couple of hours on the pilot.

“I think the most important thing is watch the show,” he said. “Judge from what you see. I didn’t think much about it until I watched the trailer that they had done for the pilot and I went ‘Wow! This looks cool!’ And I know from interacting with that cast, they’ve got a great group there. They have some amazing actors led by the profoundly amazing Robert Carlyle, who I couldn’t say enough about. I think it’s worth a look. I think you’re going to be pleasantly surprised.”

One thing is certain: Universe will give birth to many brand new Stargate fans who will be watching to see if we are a group worth joining. Those of us already aboard the franchise will have to make room.

Watch GateWorld for the exclusive interview with Michael Shanks in the weeks to come! Stargate Universe premieres October 2 on SyFy in the United States.

108 Responses

  1. US06154
    September 1, 2009 at 4:45 pm |

    Heh heh, Dr. Michael (Huggy Bear) Jackson, Pimp Daddy extraordinaire, in a heart rending new role, where he begs viewers to wach SGU :)

  2. Mrja84
    September 1, 2009 at 4:54 pm |

    Like Atlantis before it, I don’t see any point in condemning a show before I get a chance to watch it. People that read the spoilers are only going to see the facts and not the context with how the show deals with stuff.

    I avoid spoilers at all costs, which is why I don’t bother to go to the GateWorld forums until after both SG-1 & Atlantis were over.

    Besides, having seen TPTB run Atlantis into the ground, I’m more patient to see the whole path of a season before I say what’s good or bad.

    SG-1 had a cast that just clicked, but Atlantis just had the McKay & Sheppard show at the expense of other characters

  3. Imitation Tofu
    Imitation Tofu
    September 1, 2009 at 4:58 pm |

    It smells like desperation when actors from an original show start pleading with the fandom to watch a spinoff. Not much confidence there, huh? If Universe is so awesome then a little online schadenfreude should be no obstacle at all, right? At least TPTB will be all set to play the blame game if Universe does bomb, pointing their fingers at those SG-1 and Atlantis fans who never gave their precious new show a chance, those big meanies!

  4. EvilSpaceAlien
    September 1, 2009 at 5:12 pm |

    Mr. Shamks has a good poit. It’s important to actually watch the show before you voice your opinion of it, otherwise you will just look stupid.

  5. EvilSpaceAlien
    September 1, 2009 at 5:13 pm |

    I made a stupid typo. I wrote Shamks, instead of Shanks. Silly me! :p

  6. axcel1
    September 1, 2009 at 5:15 pm |

    So, even when one of the Gods of Stargate, Michael Shanks, asks you to give SGU a chance, you won’t do it. Look, I hate that both SG1 & SA were canceled just as much as everyone else, but, Spify did not want to pay the higher budget for a sixth season of SA, it was cheaper to start another spin-off show, end of story. Can we all move on now? Oh, we can’t, I didn’t think so. One month to go.

  7. kzap333
    September 1, 2009 at 5:36 pm |

    The show is going to be, darker and character based.
    And I don’t like that type of show.
    I don’t doubt it will be a very high quality show but if it didn’t have the name Stargate on I wouldn’t even still be reading about it.
    As it is, I will watch the first episode but until then, give me one reason (other than the fact it is Stargate) why I should assume I will like it.
    I don’t like dark, character based shows, that’s my personal preference,
    I can’t change my what I like.
    And so far I don’t like anything that has been said about the show, it’s not my fault I don’t like it, I just don’t.
    I will give it a chance (I never said I wouldn’t) but nothing will stop me assuming the worst and posting about it.
    So long as I have freedom of speech I will express my opinion.
    If I do like the show it will be the FIRST of this type of show that I like and that is unlikely.
    Don’t judge me just because I refuse to praise anything with the name Stargate on.

  8. cynical1
    September 1, 2009 at 5:37 pm |

    Well, I’d say the MGM and Syfy PR folks should take a look at this! For Michael to say he sees so much negativity is pretty amazing. That is, it’s not biased fans hyping the amount of negativity; it’s widespread. Anyway I applaud Michael for defending the show, and I think he’s being sincere. He doesn’t have much to gain — he already got paid for his appearances. :)

  9. solista
    September 1, 2009 at 5:47 pm |

    Hmmm…I have to wonder if the PTBs “suggested” that Mr. Shanks make some sort of statement. Could it be that they are worried about their precious new show?
    Doesn’t really matter. Like everyone else, I have the right to my own opinion and the right to watch (or not watch) whatever I choose. And I choose NOT to watch SGU. Ever.

  10. dtheories
    September 1, 2009 at 5:47 pm |

    Truthfully, I found there was very little of the characters’ personalities on display in the trailers. Hard to build anticipation from folks rolling around on the ground looking wide-eyed, but I’ll take HIS word for it and watch with an open mind. Um. Don’t suppose you can post the audio from this interview? :-D

  11. Alan
    September 1, 2009 at 5:53 pm |

    I completely support Michael Shanks with what he says because I’ve been saying the same thing! We’re both totally on the same wavelength about “Stargate: Universe”.

    I sincerely urge people to follow Mr. Shanks’ advice. What he says is true and, at the end of the day, just common sense.

  12. /rra|<is
    September 1, 2009 at 6:01 pm |

    I think a lot of the animosity comes from the way the other 2 series were ended (and perhaps other shows as well). I for one am not apprehensive that the show will be phenomenal, I am apprehensive that the show will only air for a few seasons (say 5, or god forbid go the Firefly route, and only ever have a handful of episodes), only to be canceled by a network that needs the viewership.

    I guess what I’m saying is; I don’t think the fan base worries about the show as a show. They worry about the (now) SYFY channel pulling its normal business practices. I think fans would be a lot more secure, and excited if the show was being aired on one of the other network cable outlets.

  13. flmatthew
    September 1, 2009 at 6:05 pm |

    I am very passionate about good sci-fi and get p.o’d at Universal/NBC/SYFY all the time for their “forget the fans” attitude and lies about the economy. However, I will watch SGU to see if it’s good or not. I never thought I would watch more than one episode of BSG and I just loved it. Now Caprica I know I will not like because of the DVD movie. SUX. SGU has no such advance device so I am looking forward to the 1st episode. Only a month to go.

  14. Spaceballs
    September 1, 2009 at 6:40 pm |

    Well I guess I must fall into the narrow minded group, because I think this is going to suck big time an NOT WATCHING, just dont want to. It so not interesting, wont even bother with the pilot, pointless exercise.

  15. Sylvia
    September 1, 2009 at 6:49 pm |

    While I admit to still being upset over the cancellation of SGA, the reason I will not be tuning in is that I have watched the trailers, read the character descriptions, tweets, articles, etc., and it does not appeal to me in the least.
    The WAY in which SGA’s cancellation was handled does nothing but add to my disinterest, but did not create it.

  16. Chris1
    September 1, 2009 at 6:49 pm |

    I am looking forward to it cause there is absolutely nothing else of value on TV without 24, Prison Break or Heroes on.

    It’s a shame it couldn’t of started in June, would of been a nice distraction from the absolute torture of being a Mets fan.

  17. Crystal
    September 1, 2009 at 6:50 pm |

    I like Michael an I love the character Daniel I really do, but the whole of SG1 an SGA combined could not make me watch this travesty of a show. Dark angst an edgy drama with a reality twist it not what I like. I disliked BSG did not like Firefly can not stand Lost an any of those types of show an really loath solely charactor driven plots. Add that to the fact this is not going to be a family friendly show an that is it a done deal. This is one very ex Stargate fan.

  18. shepsgirl4ever
    September 1, 2009 at 6:57 pm |

    Me I am still SO angry about SGA being stopped, that it does have an effect on how I feel about SGU. If it didnt I would just think SGU was a bad idea but with the way SGA was handled its plain terrible IMO. Thats why I wont be watching Michael, life to short to waste on watching crap.

  19. /rra|<is
    September 1, 2009 at 6:58 pm |

    wait…. so am I understanding this correctly? There are actually Stargate fans that won’t even watch the pilot episode? I mean I understand watching a few episodes, and making a decision. But you’ve seen enough in a few promo shots, and some spoilers that have made the decision for you without ever experiencing it?

    Let me ask this then… I have some land it’s BEAUTIFUL… now I know you’ve never seen it, but seriously I’ll sell it to you for a steal. You’ll make 100% profit easily… interested?

  20. Sprinkles
    September 1, 2009 at 7:03 pm |

    I always intended to give the show a chance (especially to see Robert Carlyle take on the franchise)and am still more than willing, it basically comes to this, I like to watch good TV, I only know if a show is good TV for me if I give it a chance, the rest is up to the show.

  21. Sylvia
    September 1, 2009 at 7:12 pm |

    You know, if I had tons of good feelings surrounding the SG franchise, I MIGHT have tuned into this latest venture, despite the fact that it doesn’t look like anything that would interest me. I mean, I bought the two SG1 movies just cause I wanted to support the franchise, and I have never watched them. I thought it would help in some small way to keep Atlantis on the air, more fool I…
    But since I am still bitter about SGA, there is absolutely nothing driving me to tune in.
    There are hundreds of shows out there that I have never watched, never will and have no desire to, simply because I know what I like and what I don’t. SGU now falls into that category.

  22. rangerflecha
    September 1, 2009 at 7:13 pm |

    Nothing new, this has happened before. The best example is Star Trek; every spinoff had its detractors before release, for no special reason. And I think Star Trek is the perfect example for Stargate, because since the first one science fiction tv series based most of its success in a cast of characters that fitted perfectly as a group.

    No Star Trek spinoff was -or could- be so good as the original, and the same happens with Starget, of course. SGU won’t be a bad series, but no one can pretend it to be as good as SG1; its just the law of diminishing returns.

    Finally I’d like to add that Star Trek: Deep Space 9 was a complete ripp-off of Babylon 5, and not as good, but I liked it a lot more because instead of the serious-to-boredness alines of B5 it had the pulp-y and ever-funny aliens of Star Trek. It was funnier. SGU will be a ripp-off of Galactica, likely not so good, but… it will be in the Stargate universe, it will have the gates… and that’ll make it FAR more FUNNIER than Galactica… Almost for gaters, methinks. ;)

  23. majorsal
    September 1, 2009 at 7:36 pm |

    i ‘will’ give sgu a chance, when i tune in to watch my favorite character, sam carter, in the premier. if the show doesn’t grab me then…

    for the years that i’ve been in fandom, i’ve never seen the fans feeling as low as they do now. i’m feeling this too… :/

  24. Atlantis Rocks
    Atlantis Rocks
    September 1, 2009 at 7:39 pm |

    Yes there are Stargate fans out here, who are not watching the pilot, go figure A :-)

    You see trailers are supposed to entice you in, make you want to have a look, THAT’S WHAT THERE SUPPOSED TO DO, but when they leave you cold an uninterested, it kinda says something. For me they are awful, the cast doesn’t appeal either, oh an there are so many other things I’ve read that doesn’t appeal, like BW/RC Expanding Universe interview an countless more interviews, that do nothing to encourage me in. So why on earth would I want to watch the pilot. There are load of shows where the trailers did nothing for me an I never watched them, why is SGU any different. I liked SGA that’s my show, that’s the type of thing I enjoyed, SGA format not SG1, not the original movie but SGA, the other 2 were ok BUT SGA was great. SGU sorry just plain not interested no desire to watch, not against it just not interested, an I really still miss Atlantis.

  25. mickjsg
    September 1, 2009 at 7:53 pm |

    I’ll certainly give the show a chance, but I’m not the only one who has doubts about how good the show will be.

    It sounds like they’re trying to distance Stargate from scifi, turning it into a drama.

    We’ll see how long it lasts, though i’d rather have more Atlantis than another spin off.

  26. Clemontine
    September 1, 2009 at 8:07 pm |

    Of course I’ll watch it. I would never judge a show that I havent seen unless its a genre or subject I am entirely not interested in. But its Stargate! Of course I’ll wait and see. I’m extremely worried about its direction, but I’ll wait and see. I thought SGA was a bit of a drop from SG-1, but now I just really wish I could have SGA back.

  27. Buddybear
    September 1, 2009 at 8:21 pm |

    So Mr. Shanks is actually begging SG1 & SGA fans to watch the TPTB’s new baby !!

    First of all Mr. Shanks you had a long run with SG-1 it went for 10 seasons plus you have movies that have been completed you had quest rolls on both SGA and SGU.

    You did not get cancelled after 5 seasons right when the show was getting great, dropped only to be replaced by the new soap opera in the sky, oh sorry “Universe” then promised movies and then strung along with the hope of a movie and then to tell us loyal fans of SGA “SORRY” we don’t have the money to make the movie.

    I will not watch that show and it upsets me that Shanks actually asks the fans to just forget how we where treated much less the actors of SGA it was like a kick in the throat to them and then to keep telling the fans we are going to make the movie we will yea right.

    It seems that they are worried LOL how does it feel I only hope it falls flat.

    But wait I bet within the next few weeks or at least right before SGU airs they will come up with enough money to make the SGA movie or at least tell us they are going to start filming soon” we promise just watch SGU”.

  28. Luthien
    September 1, 2009 at 8:41 pm |

    I’d just like to start out by saying, i LOVE SG-1 and SGA, but some of the spoilers about SGU are making me uneasy… however, I do admit that I have been wrong about some spoilers before…

    Therefore, I’ll probably watch the pilot ep, but there’s no guarantee I’ll do any more than that.

    Where, oh where has my old Stargate gone??? *sigh* If I want old-fashioned SG I guess I’ll just have to watch the movies…

  29. sgfan
    September 1, 2009 at 9:22 pm |

    /agree with Michael. Everyone sing along, “All we are saying is give SGU a chance…All we are saying is give SGU a chance” – song to the tune of Give Peace a Chance…

  30. DarkElfa
    September 1, 2009 at 9:23 pm |

    As far as I’m concerned, the fans being lost are the ones we don’t need, so good riddance.

  31. atlantis4ever
    September 1, 2009 at 9:28 pm |

    No, sorry. I’m not giving SGU a chance. I have the same interest in SGU as I have in SG-1: none.
    I’m an Atlantis fan. I couldn’t care less about the rest of the franchise. For me, no SGA means no Stargate. The franchise starts and ends with SGA for me. I’ll follow the SGA actors, especially Joe Flanigan, to their next projects and that’s it. If there’s an Atlantis movie, I’ll support it. Other than that, the franchise is dead for me.

  32. sgfan
    September 1, 2009 at 10:29 pm |

    I sincerely hope that SGU is a great success. If it’s good television I will watch it.

  33. Buddybear
    September 1, 2009 at 10:34 pm |

    DarkElfa your comment “the fans being lost are the ones we don’t need, so good riddance.” makes no sense I ‘m not lost I know exactly where I am LOL it’s TPTB that has lost alot of fans and now they are begging us to come back no thanks SGU.

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  35. Dr. Love
    Dr. Love
    September 2, 2009 at 1:04 am |

    I signed up just to say this:

    No. I will not watch this new show. Atlantis was one of my favorite shows. I had no real impactful way to make my opinion known about how displeased I was over the cancellation. Now, I do.

    I will not be watching this show because I will not reward bad decisions. If you make an Atlantis movie, I will buy it. If by some miracle you resume making Atlantis episodes, I will watch them.

    I will not watch Universe, I will not give it a chance, simply because it is the only impactful way I can make my displeasure known.

    And I intend to. Additionally, I’ve stopped watching Sci-fi (or whatever they call themselves) for the same reason.

  36. Dankriss
    September 2, 2009 at 2:06 am |

    I really can’t understand how people can pre-judge a show that they have never seen…being a Star Trek fan I was so surprised when TNG was first announced and the people who said they wouldn’t watch….I have always said and will always say never judge a show until you have seen it. How can you have a view if you have not seen it? If you have seen it and don’t like it then fair enough.

    Must have to admit that I didn’t watch BSG simply because I loved the original….when they said that Starbuck was going to be female and they were redoing it rather than continuing it…I said sorry I can’t watch BUT that is not to say that the show is good….have serveral friends who love it but as I have not seen it I can’t say how good or bad it is.

    Kriss :-)

  37. kzap333
    September 2, 2009 at 2:50 am |

    I’m not pre-judging it more than any other show.
    Let me give you an example, I love Warcraft, so when I heard a new Warcraft game was coming out I was excited.
    Then I heard it would be an MMORPG and I was no longer excited, because I don’t like MMORPs, now World Of Warcraft has turned out to be the best, most popular MMORPG ever, I still don’t like that type of game!
    The same with Stargate, I don’t like open ended shows, I don’t like dark shows and I don’t like character based shows.
    Unless everything the produces have said up to this point has been a blatant lie then I won’t like the show.
    I’m sure it will be well acted and high quality, it’s just not my cup of tea.
    I reckon the majority of fans will like SGU but the ones who don’t have a right to post (and they just happen to post the most).

    With ANY show there will be people who know they won’t like it before they see it (it’s a fact).
    This is no different, there are people who KNOW they don’t like this type of show and they are upset that they won’t be able to see a type of show they do like because has been replaced with something they don’t.

  38. kzap333
    September 2, 2009 at 2:56 am |

    My feelings are perfectly summed up by Crystal on the first page, although I liked Firefly (that was light hearted and family friendly-ish).
    I think it’s unreasonable for the producers to change so much about the show and still expect all people to assume it’s good, I just don’t like this type of show! Not everybody likes everything and not all Stargate fans like everything Stargate no mater how well produced it is.

  39. Gaia
    September 2, 2009 at 3:04 am |

    I will definitely give SGU a chance, but I must say that the current description of the show is not very fun-promising.
    Dark, character-driven?
    Are there be characters like O’Neill, Daniel, McKay? With their sometimes black and ironic humour? I want that, because that’s was what made those shows special and me a big fan of everything SG…

  40. Chad Colvin
    September 2, 2009 at 3:20 am |

    ***Ok, guys…this is Chad Colvin, the one who sat down for the interview with Michael in Chicago about 2 weeks ago. First, yes, there is audio and we will be posting it at some point in the future, just like with any other interview. Second, I’ve interviewed Michael more times in the last two years than anyone on GW’s staff. We’re on a first name basis. I know the difference between studio-fed propaganda and honesty. And what I got from Michael was honesty. Will this be the new age of Stargate? I doubt it. Will watching erase the pain of losing SGA? Absolutely not. But TV shows are just like people. Sometimes they pass on before they were meant to. Whether it was intentional or not. You grieve, you get angry but eventually the pain does lessen. I asked Michael his thoughts on SGU specifically because I knew it would fire up more discussion. And I’ve been a fan of Stargate for a very long time. I’ve seen it at its best and at its worst. If I didn’t truly love this franchise, I wouldn’t be working for GW. That being said…so that you know I’m not gettin paid by ANYONE when I say this….I’m “cautiously optimistic” about SGU. Do I see nuggets of promise? Yes. But am I completely on the bandwagon? No. Ask me again in November when a few episodes have aired and I’ll be much more candid then.

  41. Joycelm2
    September 2, 2009 at 4:09 am |

    Well sorry depsite all the assurances about SGu being good, I just dont think it will an I was ONLY in2 SGA, thats whats got me, I’m with atlantis4ever here, the franchise is nothing to me. I dont care who tells me to watch or give it a go, the fanchise to me is STARGATE ATLANTIS thats its Sheppard & co. I’ll support SGA an the actors, but why watch a show I KNOW I wont like, I havent liked a single thing so far to come out about SGU NOT ONE SINGLE ITEM.
    Anyway it dont matter in the great scheme of things if we dont watch, they want new people to come an see it, so those that leave an move on will just be replaced by the new fans, I thought thats what the wanted, cant see why MS or anyone come to that sees it as a problem, they started this by changing EVERYTHING what did they expect!

  42. fwupow
    September 2, 2009 at 5:36 am |

    Sure I’ll give SGU a chance. After all, I don’t want to make the good folks at MGM, Siffy, ACME/SHARK and Bridge go to bed crying.

    Just because they gave all us SG-1 fans reason to cry doesn’t mean we should return in kind. That wouldn’t be Christian now would it?

    I tell you what. Let’s make a deal. We’ll watch SGU and then you put SG-1 back on the air!

  43. Tig
    September 2, 2009 at 7:44 am |

    Just registered so I could say my bit, been reading stuff here for a while and have had serious doubts about SGU for a long time now but this, all I can say is thanks to Mr Shanks all my worse fears an doubts fully confirmed in this interview.

    And the comments “By missing an episode of SG-1, eh, no big deal. Missing an episode of this might be a bit confusing for the viewers.”

    That’s supposed to make me want to watch WHY?

    Same as “Is it going to have as much humour in it? I don’t know. I haven’t seen it. I doubt it. But there’s certainly going to be a lot more character driven drama, angst, conflict and relationship interaction than ever in a Stargate show”

    Again WHY would that make this sound worthy of checking it out! I liked SG1 SGA characters, what makes this sound like its any good, going by the characters on there own they are not a nice group of people, you need to like the characters involved well at least some of them or you dont give a crap about what happens to them.

    My mind is now made up an I will give it a miss, good luck to the show though,it isnt the knives thing or wanting the show to be bad or do badly, its just not looking forward or even remotely liking anything about SGU thus far.

  44. Gateman2000
    September 2, 2009 at 8:47 am |

    I agree with Shanks…People needs to give it a chance and stop crying. If they don’t like it after the pilot, then they can continue. Until then..hush!

  45. Sue_Jackson
    September 2, 2009 at 9:01 am |

    It does sound a bit like Battlestar Galactica. I will give it a chance. Michael is right. We should watch the show before making judgments. Michael wouldn’t endorse something he doesn’t believe in. And…I trust his judgement. I will give the show a chance.

  46. Imitation Tofu
    Imitation Tofu
    September 2, 2009 at 9:12 am |

    “So, even when one of the Gods of Stargate, Michael Shanks, asks you to give SGU a chance, you won’t do it.”

    Nope. I can make my own decisions and I don’t need to lockstep just because an actor says so or because the show has “Stargate” in the title.

    “wait…. so am I understanding this correctly? There are actually Stargate fans that won’t even watch the pilot episode? I mean I understand watching a few episodes, and making a decision. But you’ve seen enough in a few promo shots, and some spoilers that have made the decision for you without ever experiencing it?”

    I’m sure you also make decisions to skip movies and TV shows based on their trailers and rumors. Don’t be a hypocrite.

    “As far as I’m concerned, the fans being lost are the ones we don’t need, so good riddance.”

    LOL, you and TPTB will be crying a different tune when the ratings start to drop.

  47. cmuty
    September 2, 2009 at 11:06 am |

    Personally I don’t think the show runners care about those fans of the older series’ that won’t even give Universe a chance. They are a small (yet vocal) minority of a fan base that already has shown that there are not enough of us out there to give the show ratings support.

    Look at the original shows on USA network (a sister station to scyfy). They triple or better the ratings that SG-1 or Atlantis gets. As unfair as all of the fans outside the US think it is, it is the SCYFY ratings that bring in the lions share of dollars to fund producing this show. Without good numbers the show will not be produced. I am sure MGM and SCYFY are hoping to bring in a larger viewership than the other shows have had. I would think they want to retain as many Stargate franchise fans as possible, but they know they need millions more to be sucessfull

  48. Space and Time
    Space and Time
    September 2, 2009 at 12:25 pm |

    Alright. This is the end.

    First of all, I would like to say something to all those hypocrite folks roaming around here. The statement “If you don’t watch the show, you can’t judge it” is quite stupid. Of course I can judge something without seeing it. The trailers didn’t impress me. The info about the show failed. The cast, especially the young ones, are full of fail. Nothing about this show appeal to me. Why should I give a chance to something, that doesn’t appeal to me? That’s like saying to Americans that “Give Osama a chance, perhaps he didn’t mean it!”. I can imagine what kind of reaction that “plea” would get in return.

    Second. If an actor from SG-1 and/or SGA actually has to make a plea to the people to *watch* the show, that’s hilarious. TPTB already showed us, that they care nothing about the fanbase. They just want to make money. There’s nothing wrong with making money per se, but it’s the fans who will actually support the show. Speak about it to their friends and relatives. They do half of the advertising if they’re pleased. The arrogant attitude of TPTB doesn’t help this situation either.

    Also, ripping off successful show, in this case Battlestar Galactica, and adding a label of “Stargate” to it is silly. No. It is actually stupid. BSG was a good show, because the writers knew what they were doing. But SGU? Writers who ripoff, ignore fanbase and “suggest” to old actors to make a plea to the fans? Come on… We’re living 2009, not 1989.

    Also to Chad. It’s a great thing that you didn’t see through Michael Shanks’ “honesty”. You do still know that he is an actor, right? Did it ever cross your mind, that he might as well be using you because studio execs told him to “appeal for the SGU”? I know, this may sound “unbelievable” to you, but Shanks and TPTB are in this business to make some money. I know, I sound pessimistic, let’s hope that I’m wrong about this one. But there’s one thing worth mentioning, if SGU gets green-lit for several seasons, that will mean that Shanks will probably be involved in some episodes. He will make money then. Thus you can add 1 to 1 and sum will be 2.

  49. Sylvia
    September 2, 2009 at 12:52 pm |

    Re the above post, there appears to be a concerted campaign to win over viewers for the new show. Joe Mallozzi has launched a Leave No Fan Behind campaign on his blog, we have seen the trailers and vids online and in theatre, and there are a large number of people on Twitter extolling the virtues of Universe.
    It’s publicity in the new age of online communication. But it is what it is publicity.
    While I am not going to be tuning into SGU, for whatever reason, I see nothing wrong with everyone connected to the show trying to promote it to the hilt, they’d be negligent and bad at their jobs if they didn’t.
    Producers, actors, writers, studios always “use” writers to get out their message and “pimp” their product, that is how the game is played and both sides know it.
    I just wish they hadn’t seen fit to (initially anyway) dismiss the SGA and SG1 fans as old news. That is what annoyed me, the perception that was fostered, that the previous shows and those fans were “less than” the new shiny.

  50. Gateman2000
    September 2, 2009 at 1:12 pm |

    If people aren’t going to give a show a chance, then they should shut it and move on. They are not bringing back SG1 or SGA. So people should just move on.

  51. blackhawlk
    September 2, 2009 at 1:32 pm |

    I have no intention watching SGU for several reasons. Tpb didnt care less about SGA fans when they decided to cancel it for SGU. They didnt seemt to think that they needed us and were going to be appealing to the mainstream audience out there. They don’t care where their audience comes from and are only out to satisfy their own agendas. Now suddenly they are panicking because their new wonderful show is not being well received, so they resort to begging the SGA fans to support it. Suddenly JM decides to reward fans with pictures of Atlantis when we have had nothing but SGU shoved in our faces for the last six months. They wouldnt give 2 hoots about SGA fans if SGU was getting a better reception.
    Would Michael Shanks be begging SG1 fans to watch SGA if SG1 was cancelled for it, would he be begging fans to support SGU if he wasnt starring in it and most likely will get more episodes in the future. Maybe Mr Shanks should realise that fans are not sheep and are quite capable of deciding what they like and what they don’t.
    I wouldnt watch anything these guys produce ever again because they may get fed up with SGU in a couple of years and cancel it for another of their whims.
    But my main reason for not watching is simply because it doesnt appeal. It couldnt be more unappealing and not one of the characters interests me. Drama based angsty shows with emphasis on relationships may appeal if I liked the characters but when the characters have no appeal what could be more boring.

  52. sheenabeena123
    September 2, 2009 at 1:36 pm |

    I so love that pic. :D

    I, personally, can’t wait for SG: U. Worst case scenario, it sucks and I have several other new shows and new seasons to look forward to anyway. Best case scenario, it rocks and I have a new show to be addicted to. :)

  53. junebug
    September 2, 2009 at 1:38 pm |

    Arc driven series… Hmm. That has promise! Usually I prefer those to bottle shows. Well, if Shanks thinks it deserves a chance, then it deserves a chance. I hadn’t really made up my mind on it yet anyway.

  54. DarkElfa
    September 2, 2009 at 4:45 pm |

    If you haven’t seen it, you’re pre-judging it, which is everyone.

  55. WillKatt
    September 2, 2009 at 4:52 pm |

    Sad is the thing when something supposedly artistic/creative is ruled in its existence by business considerations only, but that’s the world we live in and so R.I.P. SGA. Anyway they got into a direction I didn’t like in the last season like making McKay a babe and turning Sheppard into a looser, while it was his diamond optimistic attitude that caught me in the show in the first place and people with such attitude are always winners. SG1 had a decent ending with the two movies, now if they don’t make the Atlantis closure with a movie that will be a spit in the face of all fans but we still have hope so far.

    The SGU though does not appeal to me because: 1) there are no handsome guys to enjoy! although they say this Carlyle’s charismatic, well, we’ll see; 2) while good dramatic underlay was something I always missed in SG1 & SGU, I don’t like edgy and angsty, I prefer the “brothers in arms” attitude that was present in SGA & SG1 even if not sufficiently grounded or uncovered; and I can’t for the world imagine how the same people who could never even shoot a decent love scene are going to do that dramatic thing, but well, we will see.

    Thus I will most certainly watch the pilot of SGU but like many people said, I know with 99% probability by the advertisements so far I won’t like it, but just for the sake of Stargate and to give it a chance I will do that one and then we’ll see for sure. Nobody’s going to actually watch something they don’t enjoy for the sake of a name and the makers knew they are loosing part of the audience when they decided to change direction to attract new audience, so THAT was clear from the beginning. It’s their commercial choice.

    And about Shanks, I don’t think speculations about his honesty or personal interest are very relevant: first of all we must understand that since he is involved in doing things and for this reason they look differently to him than they may look for us. It’s not necessarily that people who enjoyed making a show would watch it for a viewer’s gratification if someone else did it.

  56. lostarkeo
    September 2, 2009 at 5:02 pm |

    Why does everyone think that TPTB nudged MS to say something about the show? If MS has something to say about it, I believe he did it out of his own volition because he is a major part of the franchise himself.

    His name will forever be attached to Stargate and not only that, but he’s guest appearing in SGU. So it only seems right that he promotes it.

    As for SG1 and SGA being cancelled…I’ve been with SG1 since I was 10 and SGA when it first premiered. You can say I was quite bitter about the decision made on both shows. But it’s time to move on and I think it’s a great idea that they’re starting anew with SGU.

    I’m not going to sulk in a corner and pout because SG1 and SGA were cancelled and deny a show that hasn’t even started the chance it deserves.

    All in all, I’m all for it! Let’s go SGU! Make your forefathers proud! :)

  57. Kate Carter
    Kate Carter
    September 2, 2009 at 5:08 pm |

    I think SGU looks like it’s a ripoff of BSG, and since I never cared to watch BSG, I’m not really interested in it. That said, I will watch the first few episodes of SGU and reserve judgement – however, what enticed me to watch SG1 and SGA was the fact that both had a lot of humor (and that’s a trend with all the shows I like…I don’t like CSI but I LOVE NCIS because of the humor). This doesn’t look like it’s going to be the same way.

  58. Natasha
    September 2, 2009 at 5:18 pm |

    I am going to at least watch the first few episodes before deciding whether or not to continue watching. I guess I am still a little skeptical as what I love about Stargate (and what makes SG1 may favourite show even after its been finished for 2+ years) is the humour and the ‘brothers in arms attitude’ as WillKatt above stated. However while I may not like it as much as SG1 or Atlantis it may still be good and worth tuning in for each week.

  59. xiphar
    September 2, 2009 at 6:14 pm |

    Long time lurker, first time poster. I just felt compelled to give my two cents worth.

    I hate to see the fan base divided like this. It sucks. Personally, I’m going to give it a chance. I can think of a lot of shows (not necessarily just sci-fi shows) that I gave a chance and didn’t find appealing so I quit watching them. There’s nothing wrong with that. But what is wrong is judging it before seeing it.

    I love Stargate. I have loved it ever since I saw my first episode of SG-1. I used to be a diehard Trekkie, and Stargate eventually won the top spot in my heart. As someone who has seen one franchise die, let me say that it is time TPTB try something new. Stargate is dying. The last two seasons of Atlantis were, quite frankly, garbage. I’ll admit I watched it only because it was Stargate (just as I watched Enterprise only because it was Star Trek). I actually rejoiced when Atlantis was cancelled. It was becoming a train wreck. (Don’t get me wrong, there was I time I loved Atlantis just as much as I loved SG-1. The first three seasons of Atlantis were some of Stargate’s best.)

    So, I, for one, look forward to this new arc driven format. It is time to try something new, different, and hopefully exciting. I salute TPTB for having the courage to do so.

  60. aeneas
    September 2, 2009 at 7:13 pm |

    Personally i can’t wait until the show airs, i’m really looking forward to seeing a new take on the franchise. I was a big fan of both SG1 and SGA but i felt that their structure was too similar. I think an arc driven series could work much better than the bottle shows of SG1 and SGA and would give more incentive to tune in every week. From what i’ve seen and heard so far SGU looks exciting, visually stunning and has a great cast(i’m a big fan of Robert Carlyle). I think TPTB are onto something great and i hope i feel that way after watching a few episodes.

  61. jbp60
    September 2, 2009 at 8:35 pm |

    It sounds too dark for my taste. The humour was one of the main reasons I watched SG1 for so many years. It was big part of why we loved the characters. I’ll watch to see M.Shanks, but I don’t think it will hold my attention.

  62. kthomassg1
    September 2, 2009 at 8:59 pm |

    Seems to me that if we want more SG-1 movies and to get an Atlantis movie made then we need to support the franchise, and to do that we need to watch Universe. At least give it a chance and keep an open mind. If you go in with a negative attitude there is really no way you will like it at all.

  63. Slinky
    September 2, 2009 at 11:58 pm |

    I will do as the Shanks commands and watch the pilot.

  64. Atlantis Rocks
    Atlantis Rocks
    September 3, 2009 at 4:10 am |

    Actually having been browsing an also making a few comments lately an SGU stuff an actually been looking at SGU related stuff but this is the last one, wont be doing this again. Because I just realised that I personally now no longer don’t give s stuff about SG or SGU anymore an I sure as hell don’t give stuff about the franchise as I was only here, as a fan because I LOVED SGA an kinda liked SG1ish.

    This whole thing has so turned me off, “this is the straw” that breaks the camels back. I’m sick of seeing people bitching/being snarky an insulting each other ON BOTH SIDES of the argument, I’m sick of TPTB slagging off ANY fans, I‘m sick of JM blog full snaky remarks, I’m sick of the actor’s being trotted out an trying to get fans to watch, EXCUSES ME but it’s a indivual choice as to what appeals an what you like or don’t like or whether your into dark an edgy or light an fluffy or somewhere in between, despite whether you choose to watch the pilot or not, nobodies wrong an nobodies right, people like what they like for WHATEVER reason. It makes no difference whether its got Stargate in the title or that you liked one or both of the pervious shows or even neither, you judge on what has been presented so far by the creators, people know what they like an don’t like.

    Bluntly I guess now I’m just sick of the bloody lot. This whole situation is a just a JOKE!!! Didn’t start out to have a rant sorry but I’m personally so pissed off an frustrated at how things have turned out, I never thought fandom was like this, maybe that’s my fault for being naïve as I manged the last 13 years or so without forums an all that jazz an JUST enjoyed being a SG fan an enjoying a TV series all on my little lonesome.

    This is just a TV show an TV is for enjoyment, or it used to be, this fiasco has stopped SG being enjoyable for me anyways. An its just not worth the effort of bothering anymore. If this is what SGU v SGA/SG1 breeds than NO THANK YOU very much, I’ll pass an move on, as someone else said above, we wont be missed, because obviously I’m not a true fan because I liked one particular TV show an those characters, FINE you know what I can live that I hope those that are looking forward SGU do really enjoy it an.

  65. Nutamu
    September 3, 2009 at 4:40 am |

    The fans were messed with. They took away Atlantis and they did it badly. They did it to cart this SGU out in front us thinking we’d pounce on anything labelled with a Stargate on it if we couldn’t have what we wanted.

    But the fans aren’t stupid. This isn’t trading your 5 year old car for a newer model. This is trading away something that was 5 years in the making, 5 years in getting to know characters we grew to love. Maybe some of us don’t want to start over, get used to a whole new set of characters. Maybe because some of us miss the ones we already loved.

    From what I’ve seen of previews it seems they’re trying everything to get people to watch this. Steamy previews do not entice me to watch a show. I see it as a sign of not having enough quality to draw in viewers through regular means like good stories and characters. At least Atlantis had the maturity to not have to resort to that.

    Now in a few years I might have watched this, might have loved it. But not at the price the fans seem to have to pay in losing Atlantis. I’ll watch the first episode like I do any new series but I won’t be watching the series as a whole. I won’t buy the dvd’s.
    If they ever get around to making the Atlantis movie I’ll be right there in line to buy it.
    But not this. This could of been handled differently, SGU could of waited a few years to let Atlantis finish in it’s own time. The fans were messed with. Why shouldn’t they do a little messing back?
    It may be all about the bottom dollar to TPTB but where do those dollars come from in the end?

  66. katikatnik
    September 3, 2009 at 5:18 am |

    I won’t watch SGU simply because it doesn’t appeal to me, trailers, spoilers, interviews, nothing of it. Great special effects, that’s for sure, but the rest? As people before me said, I love adventurous TEAM shows with friendship, bickering and banter, humor and hope, I love to watch characters have fun doing what they do. I don’t like to wallow in despair, pick at questionable morals etc. It’s just not my cup of tea. I miss the old-school fun, Star Trek and SG-1/SGA. Everything has to be “gut-wrenching” these days. Sure, but without me. I will go watch NCIS for my dose of team-ness.

  67. blackhawlk
    September 3, 2009 at 5:37 am |

    Strange how Warehouse 13 is doing so well and its all about adventure and humour so everyone is not desperate to wallow in the angst and realisim. I find nothing appealing about a lead who has questionable morals and is motivated by his own selfish needs. SGU is all about darker grimmer side of life which I’m perfectly aware of but have no interest in seeing it on Stargate. I’ve loved previous statgate incarnations because of the wonderful casts and the brothers in arm vibe. This new cast just totally leaves me cold and I couldnt muster up any interest in any of their present or past disturbing lives.

  68. US06154
    September 3, 2009 at 9:07 am |

    Shanks is an actor (whom I still like) and he’s there to make money, By whatever means. Very few Actors (like Torri Higginson and perhaps a few others) have Integrity & enough guts to ask the TBTB to go [email protected]#$ themselves. So yes, I wouldn’t be surprised if more “familiar” faces appear asking people to watch SGU. Darkelfa and Gateman2000, Yes we have every right to be mad, because I personaly watched all 10 seasons of SG1 and 5 Seasons of Atlantis, even after moving from Country to Country. So don’t give me that crap about not being a loyal fan.

    People keep telling us that we, the “SGU haters” are few, that’s another whole bunch of BS. We are there is enough numbers to make a few people cringe. Take a look at SGU’s original premise, and what it is now. yes we can make waves, rock the boat, make sure the shite hits the fan, etc., etc., Dammit,if I wasn’t a fan of the SG Franchise I would not have cared.. But we will be heard, loud and clear. If The TPTB were willing to cut us off at the knees, AND then diss us, yes we will do whatever we can, to make you see that was mistake.

  69. dolphin
    September 3, 2009 at 10:38 am |

    Well I can’t wait to see SGU … I’ve got it marked on my calendar and I’m counting down the days until the pilot episode. I see no reason not to watch it! The cast looks great, the trailers look interesting and at the end of the day I’m a stargate fan!
    I was never as big a fan of Atlantis as SG1 – I loved the first 2 seasons, started to go off it a bit in season 3 and actually didn’t watch most of season 4 because I totally lost interest, although I did watch again in season 5. Typical that just as I get back into it they cancel it :o)
    Give the show a chance, it might just surprise you. And if it doesn’t then fine, don’t watch it anymore. Simple as that!

  70. cmuty
    September 3, 2009 at 1:05 pm |

    I can’t wait for SGU to pull in consistantly higher rating numbers than SGA did. Won’t that just show all the malcontents what a small portion of SG fandom, let alone science fiction television watching fans, they are.

  71. Imitation Tofu
    Imitation Tofu
    September 3, 2009 at 2:17 pm |

    Keep on waiting, cmuty. Atlantis had strong ratings in the early seasons because it was well advertised and paired with popular shows SG-1 and Battlestar Galactica. Universe has none of those advantages. I’ll be sure to give you a dose of your own smugness when those lower ratings come in!

  72. /rra|<is
    September 3, 2009 at 7:37 pm |

    I would love one of you Atlantis only ‘screwballs’ to explain to me, how exactly MGM canceled the show?

    Let me help you out, THEY DIDN’T!

    If you’re mad about shows being canceled that’s fine, I am too. BUT SERIOUSLY; THINK before you speak (and your mothers collectively fail for not teaching you this at a much younger age).

    MGM doesn’t cancel their shows, they want them to run as long as they can make money from them. THE SCI-FI CHANNEL cancels shows.

    “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” – Albert Einstein

  73. US06154
    September 3, 2009 at 9:45 pm |

    Higher ratings for SGU than SGA? I wonder if they’ll use a new (Modified) yard stick for that. Live+14+webdownloads+Hula+Ninjavideo ??

  74. dauntless1
    September 3, 2009 at 10:09 pm |

    I’m against SGU for now because of what I’ve seen and heard so far. It’s supposed to be “darker” and going for a younger audience with a main story on a ship where they fight for survival.

    That’s BSG folks.

    I don’t mind going a little darker with the stories, as long as the classic subtle comedic elements are there. I also don’t mind the story of survival, like what SGA season 1 was about. But this show seems too dark and there really is no comedy involved. SGA’s trailers had Shepard saying “This is cool.” That drew me in because I knew he’d be one of the witty ones. But with the trailers, I don’t get that with anyone on this cast.
    That’s another thing that turns me off: the casting. Eli Wallace looks like he could have been in Superbad and does not fit in my book. Lt. Scott doesn’t seem like a leader and the other “higher up” military types don’t seem to have the same persona that O’Neill, Sheppard, or even Mitchell had. Which brings me to the fact SGU has too many main characters.
    There’s the main doctor/scientist, the 2 military honchos, 4 other military people, the senator’s daughter, the slacker, and the IOA member. That’s like 10 characters. Stargate is known for having a focus on the Core4 members, the base leader, and the base doctor. Anything beyond that isn’t important enough to be a main member (although Major Lorne is the exception). With 10 characters, character development will suffer and we’ll get long stretches where some characters don’t show up for no apparent reason.
    And THATS why I’m not as adamant about watching SGU as I was about SG1 or Atlantis. I’ll give it a few episodes to prove me wrong, but I am just not impressed by SGU. Although I really would rather see the SG1 and Atlantis movies.

  75. Sylvia
    September 4, 2009 at 1:57 am |

    I saw the 5minute “trailer” that got leaked yesterday. It actually looked pretty good, other than the fact that every female looks like a model but not one of the guys has that same “hawt” factor. If I wasn’t so soured by this whole SGA/SGU controversy I might have actually liked it, sad to say.

  76. Mish
    September 4, 2009 at 6:46 am |

    Im not going to give this show a chance, what happens when we all buy the DVD for example, and MGM decides 5 seasons in….hm NEW IDEA!!, let make Stargate Dimension, and make Universe into low cost direct to dvd movies.

    All of you who were fans of atlantis, have probably just gotten over it and loving universe. YOU sold Atlantis out, including the actors and actresses of the great show.

  77. US06154
    September 4, 2009 at 8:54 am |

    @mish, I feel your pain, but hopefully you are referring to Dr. Jackson (the Character) and not Mr. Shanks, the actor :)

  78. Imitation Tofu
    Imitation Tofu
    September 4, 2009 at 9:22 am |

    @/rra|<is, do you work for MGM? If not then you have no idea what really happened, do you. Bite your tongue before blabbing about the stupidity of making assumptions.

    @US06154, lol!

  79. /rra|<is
    September 4, 2009 at 1:25 pm |

    @Imitation Tofu: No I don’t work for MGM, but I am a business owner, and I can tell you with EXTREME certainty that NO business out to make money, would discontinue a product mid production in favor of another, that may or may not do as well. It’s bad business.

    Also if you bothered to use your head at all, you would know that the backlash after the SCI-FI channel canceled SG-1 was tremendous, and that is more likely the reason that MGM and the SCI-FI channel ‘jointly’ announced the Atlantis cancellation. So as to deflect some of that wrath off of the ‘Medium’ they were hoping to use for their next series (this is what we call good for business).

    Seriously… I don’t care if you hate the new show, but to say you aren’t even going to give it a chance? That’s just foolish.

    In all honesty, I have yet to make up my mind, but I’ve been a Stargate fan since the Movie, I’ve always loved the concept. So at the very least, I’m going to watch 3-4 episodes, see how it goes. If it doesn’t hit home with me after that then I will stop watching, but it will at least get a chance.

    I do however agree with all of the frustration over the other shows cancellations. Therefore I will not be watching anything else on the now SY-FY network. You see I don’t disagree that you have a right to be p.o.’d about it. I’m just here to tell you it’s completely misdirected. Networks cancel shows, not Studios.

  80. cmuty
    September 4, 2009 at 2:17 pm |

    Again @imitation tofu. I think beating a 1.3 (being generous) rating that SGA established won’t be so hard.

    Look that is the same rating that SG-1 was getting in it’s final seasons. If there were SG-1 only fans and SGA only fans, they were approximately the same number. If that was not the case then one or the other’s rating numbers would have far exceeded the other. The producers would probably consider a 1.3 rating for SGU an abject failure. Hell ghost hunters beats that out. I will come on and do a mea culpa if I am wrong, just be as ready to come back and eat crow when I am right.

  81. cmuty
    September 4, 2009 at 2:19 pm |

    @mish. So what your saying is that if you like a show it should never, ever end? Not all shows are Dr. Who (lol thank god)

  82. Imitation Tofu
    Imitation Tofu
    September 4, 2009 at 2:38 pm |

    @/rra|<is: No, I didn't think you worked for MGM or the sci fi channel. You can talk all you want about real life experience, but unless you were actually there you're still making assumptions. Continuing to sneer at others who are also making assumptions makes you a hypocrite.

    @cmuty: What? Atlantis started at 3.0 and sat comfortably in the high 2s for several seasons. You're trying to compare series premiere ratings to ratings for a show that was 5 seasons in and winding down. It's a dishonest comparison. Atlantis topped the network when it started. If Universe is so strong as everyone here claims, it should have no problem constantly pulling in 2.5-3.0 like the current top show, Warehouse 13.

  83. blackhawlk
    September 5, 2009 at 1:22 pm |

    Atlantis achieved a 3.2 for its premier so its ridiculous comparing ratings during its 5th season. I’m sure SGU will achieve decent ratings for its premier and maybe for the first season, but I don’t see it doing any better than SGA in its 5th year if it makes it that far, so should the ptb cancel a show every few years just to get good ratings for the first few months or first year ??.

  84. /rra|<is
    September 5, 2009 at 1:48 pm |

    @Imitation Tofu: Did you just say that Real Life experience = Wild accusation? Heh… well there’s no arguing with that logic now is there? haha

  85. Stargate-Franchise erh
    September 5, 2009 at 5:15 pm |

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  86. oldgatefan
    September 5, 2009 at 11:21 pm |

    The comments on this have been very interesting. I find myself agreeing with people on both sides of this debate.

    I do plan to watch the pilot, and certainly will watch the episodes with MS and RDA.

    But, I do not like “dark, gritty, angsty” programs. I agree with one comment that the humor was what drew me to SG-1 and SGA.

    For me personally, the big turnoff happened in the last two seasons of SG-1 and the last season of SGA, where the programs turned into “Shippy-fests” that made me nauseous.

    So, to recap, I want humor, adventure, and no, I don’t want excessive ship. If I did, I would watch soap operas.

    Just my 2 cents.

  87. Imitation Tofu
    Imitation Tofu
    September 6, 2009 at 9:26 am |

    “Did you just say that Real Life experience = Wild accusation?”

    Nope, that’s just you twisted my words in a desperate attempt to feel smug. Not all that surprising considering your other posts around here.

  88. /rra|<is
    September 6, 2009 at 6:35 pm |

    @Imitation Tofu: “You can talk all you want about real life experience, but unless you were actually there you’re still making assumptions. Continuing to sneer at others who are also making assumptions”

    Paraphrase that so it doesn’t say “Real Life experience = Wild accusation”, and yes changing the word ‘accusation’ to ‘assumption’ would have the same connotation.

    I have no interest in feeling smug, only in people using their heads. A goal which has been completely obvious through all my posts. In fact you are the only one, who hasn’t actually picked up on that, it would seem. I don’t know whether to congratulate you, or feel sorry for you, but I suspect the latter is more appropriate.

  89. shepsgirl4ever
    September 7, 2009 at 4:37 am |

    Well I’m not watching full stop an now I have just read this article on The Media Pundit

    These are just snippets but the whole article does make and the whole does make a interesting read:

    “People who will not like this show are people who do not like this style of show. It almost doesn’t matter what your personal relationship is to Stargate in general, it’s not the Stargate factor that will put you off or suck you in forever, it’s that this is not a family action show pretending to be science fiction like its predecessors were.”

    That is not happening with SGU. If anything, the first three episodes are a little too slow, but that’s fine — if you can enjoy a show that takes its time. Something to keep in mind is that the first three episodes are a single story, and will not be representative of the pacing of everything that comes after, not by a long shot. And that’s not even addressing the comedy moments we’ve all come to love and expect from Stargate.

    “Forget it, they are gone. This is a real drama now, if you don’t like real dramas, that’s what’s going to seal it for you.”

    The whole article just confirms that I was right for not being interested in the first place, so MS can beg all he likes, its a no an I wont be missing anything!

    This is not what Stargate is to me.

  90. amconway
    September 7, 2009 at 5:06 am |

    Wow. This is overwrought. No wonder non-fans think fans are nuts, whacko, fruitcakes. We’re kind of acting like it.
    (3 pts. if you can identify the episodes paraphrased here in a heartfelt fashion)

  91. amconway
    September 7, 2009 at 5:08 am |

    Er, that means the sentiment behind the paraphrase is heartfelt, not that they should be identified that way…

  92. biggdogg
    September 7, 2009 at 5:39 am |

    All you SGU haters have less than a month before you’ll be proven wrong (or right) on the QUALITY of the new show.
    I’m going to watch the first episode on Sky and will see how it goes as there’s not a lot of SciFi on at the moment – Warehouse 13 starts tomorrow in the UK.
    I am a big stargate fan and have all of the season’s of SG1 and SGA (except season 5) plus the three SG films (yes, I’m including the original movie).
    However, I am watching the first episode through curiosity rather than allegiance to the SG brand. I really hope it keeps me hooked – only time will tell.

  93. Mish
    September 7, 2009 at 8:04 am |

    Hey guys, i dont hate michaels shanks, i dont like how they put him in all the stargates….
    Atlantis was a spin off but yes….they were including parts of Stargate command.

    It was good to see teal’c, samantha, oneil and daniel, but not soooo much.

    I love all the actors and actresses. And whoever asked if i wanted the show to last as long as doctor who…

    Im not saying that. If not 10, as thats asking too much BUT at least SEVEN. The normal number

  94. /rra|<is
    September 7, 2009 at 2:48 pm |

    meh… the argument is just not worth it anymore, people can’t see the trees for the forest it seems. As I said, I will watch, and hope that it will be good. If it isn’t I will stop watching. It’s that simple.

  95. DarkElfa
    September 8, 2009 at 4:37 pm |

    Oh my god, I’m sick of hearing about SGA’s cancellation. It was a poor copy of the poor show that SG-1 became in its later years and I’m happy they canceled it before it further embarrassed itself or the SG name. Science Fiction fans are a fickle and judgmental bunch and whine far too much. You romanticize everything and chastise TPTB when your every fanfic wish isn’t fulfilled. I’ve heard too many of you say that SGU is a copy of BSG and personally, I hope it is. BSG was a great and engaging show and actually garnered viewers. The fact is that SG needs to go in a new direction or it faces the kind of dying audience that Star Trek faced before it died on TV. SG was become formulaic and tired and it needs change the way that this fanbase needs change, from jilted retardation to intelligent enlightenment. If you don’t want to watch SGU then go back to your DVD’s of SG-1 and SGA and be gone, we’re better off without all the “shipper” loons and bi-polar sycophants anyways.

  96. serenitypoi
    September 10, 2009 at 7:11 am |

    Hi DarkElfa, comments like yours do not help the matter and certainly do not persuade others into changing their minds! I am bitter about SGA’s cancellation and but I was willing to check out the trailers, they left me cold for the same reasons that many others have stated, it’s not like SG-1 and SGA, yes I knew that it was going to be different cos the ptb informed us of this. I am not going to watch SGU or buy it when it comes out on DVD for the reasons I stated and I am bored and fed up with fans trying to get me and others to watch something we have no feel for, yes I go by my feelings and not just the look of the show’s trailer. Surely we are all entitled to choose what we do just like you and others have decided to watch the show. I know that in a forum everyone gives their opinions and thank god for this but why can’t you all accept our decision to not watch the show, the comments are getting too personal and angry. It isn’t anyone’s business what you or I decide to do, we are all fans of the shows in question and do not deserve such ridicule because we do not agree with you! I am a shipper and proud of it but I don’t expect there to be romance every episode etc but I love this kind of show (in moderation) I don’t expect tptb to fulfil my every wish, that’s what fanfiction is about! One day tptb will look back and wish they had treated us fans with more respect, I’m not even going to answer your other insults cos anyone reading these comments will make up their own mind about people who make these comments an issue like yourself and others. Anyway, I am happy with my decision and the way I am, about my choices in entertainment but I also have no problems with your opinions as we are all entitled to put them out there, just realise we are not your enemy! Thank you and bye!!!

  97. Atlantis Rocks
    Atlantis Rocks
    September 10, 2009 at 7:18 am |

    @ serenitypoi

    nicely said, ITA

  98. amconway
    September 12, 2009 at 12:50 pm |

    There’s no disrespect in wanting to do something a little bit different after more than a decade of doing basically the same thing. The fans, on the other hand, have treated the writers and producers with an astonishing level of disrespect and venom. They didn’t sell us their souls, they just made TV shows.

  99. serenitypoi
    September 12, 2009 at 3:47 pm |

    Hi amconway, you are correct, in my opinion, however for a lot of us the show has meant more to us and we felt that we were not shown respect, if you look at some of the comments made by the ptb you will find that we were dismissed as old hat and they want new viewers, this upsets me because I have been ‘loyal’to the franchise for over 12 years! What hasn’t helped, besides the ptb’s attitude is some of the fans ridiculing us for having these feelings and deciding not to watch the new show, just as you have just done. Are we not allowed to have our own opinions or do we have to follow everyone else? I respect other people’s resolve to either watch the show or not, that’s all that we want, certainly not be targets for nasty comments, as I stated above we are not your enemy. Even though I respect your right to your opinion, I disagree with the way you put it, thanks and bye.

    P.S. Thank you very much Atlantis Rocks!

  100. amconway
    September 13, 2009 at 3:14 am |

    You thought that was nasty ridicule? Really? Well, no wonder you think you’ve been insulted by TPTB.

  101. serenitypoi
    September 13, 2009 at 6:23 am |

    I was being polite but your remark is what I was referring to, chill out and let others make up there own minds up without the ‘nasty ridicule’ lol, getting bored again!

  102. rsharpe
    September 14, 2009 at 12:02 am |

    I feel sorry for Michael Shanks, having to pimp a show that’s so bad they’re recruiting help for it.

  103. amconway
    September 15, 2009 at 1:37 am |

    Well, yeah, I guessed that. That was my point. you see insult where there is none.

  104. maryellen05
    September 15, 2009 at 9:59 am |

    I loved the SG1. The fact that they didn’t take themselves serious. The hummor. SGA had some of this but the story line was great and I enjoyed it very much. SGU seems to be a take off of BSG which I hated. Always felt like it was a evening “soap opera”. Even in the most serious of situations, even in real life, there is always comic relief. If SGU follows the set of Battle Star, I feel it will be unrealistic, over dramatic and boring at best. I am such a SG fan that I am considering buying the new up-comming comics. I will watch the pilot of SGU, in hopes that I am wrong, but I hate the thought that such a great consept could be turned into fodder. If they can’t compete with the original, they are wasteing their time and ours.

  105. serenitypoi
    September 15, 2009 at 8:43 pm |

    I guess we can beg to differ! You have to admit the way some comments are worded change the meaning for different people, I may say something that someone may be offended by but others may not be! That’s life and that’s people (me or you) for ya, lol! Anyway, let’s just end this now cos we both made valid points and carrying on any further just makes us petty, and while my inner child loves that I am too old for that lol! Take care and bye! That means everyone who does not want to watch SGU and all that do!

  106. rsharpe
    September 18, 2009 at 10:27 pm |

    Michael Shanks is going to appear at a con I’m attending. I hope someone asks him if his comments were made of his own free will or if he was just honoring his contract.

  107. phronsie
    September 25, 2009 at 10:53 pm |

    Since tptb have made it pretty clear that, as I am older WOMAN, I am not the demographic they care about, I don’t really feel inclined to care about their new show. Which, I’m sure, doesn’t bother them. Whether SGA had to be cancelled or not ultimately doesn’t matter, especially at this point, since nothing can bring it back. I don’t think many fans actually believe there will ever be a movie for it. But, wow, did the producers et al do a spectacular job of alienating a good portion of their franchise audience! A little less hubris, a little more sensitivity to their old fans, and they could have smoothed over some of these “moving” pains. Just think what an excellent bridge it would have been if they had kept SGA around even one more year, using the established show to ease viewers into the new one. But even failing that, they could have handled the cancelling of SGA and the promotion of their new show much more sagely and sauvely, and not with such a dismissive attitude. From what I’ve heard, BW claimed that all he had to do was put a stargate in a show and his viewers would watch! Yeah, that’s an example of the arrogance and insensitivity directed towards his fanbase that pretty much leaves me cold to this new project. Not to mention, SG-Uw just doesn’t come across as very appealing.

  108. siouxiesue
    October 14, 2009 at 9:12 pm |

    I have incredible respect for Robert Carlisle. A sublime actor, totally mesmerising. And yet I feel totally cold when I watch the new SGU.
    Maybe because I came late to the Stargate world, started watching SG1 even as it was ending. Began to enjoy SGA even as the PTB were sigining its execution papers. But I’m sorry. I’ve seen a few comments made by the ones who really hold the power. Maybe they could be taken in jest, but still there has been an edge, there seems to have been a real hard edge directed agains the actors in the Stargate Atlantis series. Comments made on the same stage as the actors about how now the “actions figures” are available there is no need to have actual actors any more. That now they can do whateve they like. there seems to me to be a real devide between the talent that createsa the series and the talent that brings it to life.
    Now as a person who watches the show. As a fan, to me there is no great divide. It is a toally symbiotic realtionship. One is wholey dependant on the other. Treat one part of the whole with contempt and the other suffers too. But I see signs that others don’t believe this. witness he first parts of SGU. the way the characters came flying through the hole,the actors were flung haphazardly and randomly through. Maybe it was just a plot divice but it felt like more.

    I’ve given it a chance, though. Watched three episodes I was prepared to be beguiled, Robert Carlisle is all that. But it’s like that attitude of not caring about the actors, it kind of worked too well, because I felt it too, I really didn’t much care what happened to them either.

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