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Piernik
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Totally awesome!

Rsanchez1
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Tonight will be good. They should just let Rush kill Simeon. What will Homeworld Security do, give them a tongue lashing?

Kellx
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so siked

Kosh
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Sounds like Simeon kills Rush’s gf and that’s what sends him on his violent rampage. Since Rush’s gf is also in Eli’s gf’s body (ugh..I hate those stones), I hope this isn’t true because then she would be dead too. And I just don’t want to have to watch Eli turn into just another severely depressed character. So hopefully that red head doesn’t die.

Kosh
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Sorry- meant “vengeful mission” instead of “violent rampage” ^^

Zainea13
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sorry for the off topic post, but there was a misspelling that was so gross, I choked on my pepsi… @kellx it is spelled “psyched” like “psyche” or “psycho”

Horcrux
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This episode looks awsome….man i really feel bad for Eli if he looses Gin i really hope that by the end she comes back, would hate to see Eli depressed for the rest of the season.

Morrolan
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I’m really confused at how they will pull off this episode. If Simeon killed Perry/Ginn, wouldn’t both Eli and Rush be out for blood? I have a sneaking suspicion that Perry dies and Ginn lives. But how?

Pecisk
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Huge Disclaimer: as David Blue said, don’t read too much into trailers. They are aimed to cause interest, but sometimes very mislead. morrolan: as far as I seen info bits, both Ginn and Pery dies. I have some doubts about Perry, because Earth people could see signs in time and disconnect her. I really doubt that Ginn survives. She will reappear, but when and how… and will it be really she…Remains to be seen. It is sci-fi and these series have rich background and possibilities to return characters. More about your point – yes, both Eli and Rush would want… Read more »

Mythos
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The shock alone would likely kill Perry in the process with her condition. So I doubt she’ll survive it (and for those saying that she didn’t because Rush goes after Simeon, we don’t know the timeframe yet so he could go after Simeon without knowing for certain whether Perry survived or not and we don’t know why for certain he goes after Simeon). Also, Rush, while very smart, wouldn’t be any match in the hunt against trained military. Considering the details given, if Ginn does die, I’m guessing Eli will go Jack Ruby on Simeon and off him when they… Read more »

Pecisk
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mythos: why it is suddenly “forced drama”? Eli goes trough series of changes, and it is quite clear that he will become more grown up. However, I really doubt that he will loose his geeky sense of humor. It will be with more irony and sarcasm. It is exactly the same thing happened to me after tragic events in my life. It is not always road downhill.

Ok, it becomes more offtopic disscussion. Let’s see what happens in episode itself :) Cheers.

Dread
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Personally I hope Ginn survives because I was just really starting to like her character and the actress how plays her. I also like the actress who plays Perry, I am just not keen on the whole body swap aspect of this show and hope to see less of it in the future.
As for Simeon, I fully expected hes character to be killed I just thought it would be at the end of season 2, we are not even quite halfway though the season yet.

Secretorigin
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From the teaser showing Gin’s body lying there with her eyes open but vacant it seems pretty clear that she’s dead. Which really sucks because when you kill off a character that soon after her creation, it feels like she was only created to be killed. Is it dramatic to have Eli lose this girl just as they were getting started, sure but it could have been done so much better. The story potential in letting Eli have a lengthy relationship that eventually goes bad by death or betrayal is so much better than the shock value of killing her… Read more »

Mr muad
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agreed, even in battlestar, folks were at least allowed to be happy for a few episode before it was ripped away from them.

Jim
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I don’t like the way they start relatonships on this show.That’s what had happened with Matt and Chloe,without any real development..all of a sudden,out of blue! But even them did have some development and certain intimate moments..subtle signs pointing toward that before they’d become a couple. With Eli and Gin..I just do not understand..he meets her one afternoon,they work together for a few hours and the next day it just happens between them with the emotional intensity,as if they’ve been in love for weeks,at least! I mean,if they are taking the time and taking the slower paste with so many… Read more »

Michael Sacal
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What if Perry dies in Gin’s body but Gin lives on in Perry’s body?

That would be awesome.

Rchristai
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If SG keep up on killing my lovely characters, I will stop watching it!

HillshireFarm
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Do the writers and creators not understand that if they keep killing off the characters that people like such as Riley and Ginn that not only will they run out of characters at the rate their going, but they are also going to loose fans and precious viewers. I know I don’t want to watch anything where my favorite people keep dying off.

Captain-Bazz
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Forced Drama? It’s a scripted television show, everything is forced! What is forced about Eli and Rush s loved ones being killed and them both wanting revenge. Sounds human to me.
It was terrible to see Riley go and I was suprised that they killed Ginn so quickly. But it is refreshing to see characters in danger and not know that at the end they’ll have a nice pat on the back scene in the infirmary over a pot of jello.
This episode was AMAZING. Fingers crossed for season 3.

Mythos
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@Pecisk – By forced drama, I was referring to the fact that they give him Ginn only to take her away 2 episodes later. And they give Rush Perry only to take her away too. 2 deaths without even paying the second actress for time appearing in the episode. It was a BOGO (Buy One Get One free for those that live places where the term isn’t used.) That is forced drama. And they’re allowing the drama elements to be more important than watching for plot and character holes. Simeon would have been watched more closely than that. Much more… Read more »

Mythos
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@secretorigin – How about the story potential in just letting Eli be happy? He and Ginn could have just had a regular, normal relationship throughout the run of the show. All relationships have ups and downs, but not all of them end in tragedy or misery. It amazes me that the assumed alternative to killing her off soon is killing her off later or having a betrayal. Is this doom and gloom really all that SGU fans are looking for? @HillshireFarm – Bad ratings means less money. Less money means smaller cast. It’s likely they’re going to axe more and… Read more »

Kyle Nin
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“The first proximity mine took a long time to go off with Rush right there, yet the others went off quickly.”

Proximity? I thought that was a timed mine. It was spiraling down (beeping going faster), right? If it was by proximity, wouldn’t it have gone off before Rush even got there? Dr. Park was literally right next to it.

AndrewDebbie
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@mythos >>From where Simeon was when Rush went through the gate, he could have easily taken Rush out.<<

Yes he could have. Leaving Rush to disarm the device bought Simeon some time.

AndrewDebbie
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>>Bad ratings means less money.
Yes but I don’t think the ratings now have much if anything to do with the season 2 budget. They’ve nearly finished shooting S2.

Mythos
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@Kyle Nin – He removed the ‘proximity sensor’. There’d be no reason to do that unless it was a proximity mine. @AndrewDebbie – Killing Rush would have given Simeon far more time. Simeon running further from the gate would have given him even more time. He stopped and waited and watched Rush, all pointless acts. And the ratings have been bad for SGU since a few episodes into Season 1. And they wouldn’t have finished all of the work on season 2 yet, likely. People keep forgetting that SGU was supposed to be a big ratings draw. Big enough to… Read more »

Kenny
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This is the “FIRST” episode that I was actually impressed by. It was like classic sg1 (almost) A good mission, lots of action, and folks actually got along with each other for the first time “EVER.”

Scale from 1-10, this ep is a ‘9’ But, I don’t expect that kind id classic SG stuff to continue. Next week it will be back to bickering and back-stabbing and still no heros.

Mythos
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@kenny – SG1 didn’t have so many plot holes.

Eagalis
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New York, New York – April 1, 2010 – Syfy’s acclaimed series, Stargate Universe has cast famed actors, Robert Knepper (Heroes, Prison Break) and Julie McNiven (Supernatural, Mad Men) as guest stars to the second season of the hit series. Knepper joins the cast for a six-episode arc and will portray Simeon, a member of the Lucian Alliance. McNiven will also join the cast for a five-episode arc, portraying Ginn, a member of the Lucian Alliance. Season two of Stargate Universe premieres on Syfy fall 2010. What happened to their episode arc? thats a big sign that they had to… Read more »

Katikatnik
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@Eaglis: IIRC, Brad Wright talked about it, when he was asked if that was the last time people have seen Ginn, but his response was slightly spoilery and thus not for these comments.

Ib1117
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@Eaglis:”What happened to their episode arcs?” Both actors completed their arcs, Knepper was in episodes 1-4,7&8, McNiven, was in episodes 1-3, 6&7.

Ib1117
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Knepper had really small parts building up to last nights eposode.

Eagalis
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lol they must have been some small parts cuz they were 1-2 min roles per 42 min Episode. How exciting!!!!

Ib1117
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The parts were used to build up to last nights episode, which was exciting.

Katikatnik
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Ratings: 1.025 mil., 0.4 demo

Eagalis
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The Ratings went down then Greater good 1.074 mil. Even with the “high suspense”.

Jim
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I agree with everything that @mythos said. This ep. instead of being an SG-1 type of episode for whatever that meant,good or bad..doesn’t matter..ended up being one big plothole,especially with the military stuff and the military tactics behaviour.I’m talking about the military trained man,Simeon of course. Plus all of the other stuff that had been mentioned by mythos,so I don’t want to repeat them..in short another ep.that could have been great eneded up as a big disappointment in my book!Which is a shame,cause that seems to be a constant thing wizh this show..great potential,great concept and in the end poor… Read more »

Jim
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of course I have to say all the props to the actors,they are a talented bunch and I’m sure they’ll succeed in having great careers..but the showrunners,at this point seem to me to have lost their way.Tehy tried one thing,saw it wasn’t working,tried another and now really seem lost,with no idea where to go with the show.
My opinion is that they at least should have stayed consistent..either do the show for the fans,or experiment with their own creative ways of expression.,but choose one,or the other and stick with it..this is just going nowhere!

Mentat
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Wasn’t the whole point of going to New Mexico to shoot an episode in order to give the ratings a big boost?

Eagalis
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@mentat Dun know but their eppy with “action” wasn’t all that great at this point you’d have known all the characters in sg1 or sga without all this deep character development they did is this show.

Eagalis
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*they did in this show*

Kosh
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Ugh. I wish they put as much thought/time/effort into the action and science as they did into the drama, histories, conflicts, etc of each character. Right from the pilot it was lacking in that area, like a couple of Ha’Taks vs a new earth battleship commanded by Carter should have been target practice. Why didn’t they beam out the pilots before they jumped away from the planet? Plot holes and missing information along those lines have been as consistent as the crying and drama :/ I really really REALLY miss those little bits of fun quircky sci-fi where we get… Read more »

Ocdtrekkie
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I personally found both The Greater Good and Malice to be HUGE steps up for SGU in terms of quality, but I’ve come to the decision… they simply should have done things FASTER. Rush shoulda been on the bridge most of Season one, Lucian Alliance should’ve been the Season one midseason two-parter. And the season one finale should’ve been essentially The Greater Good. So that all this stuff setting up the series’ purpose, more or less, was done within one season. Because when you look, most of the stuff between those episodes mentioned above… are throwaways. All that Water and… Read more »

Eagalis
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@ocdtrekkie Thats the Problem people like the drama…. they tried making it character driven show so speeding things up doesn’t help “getting to know the characters” and we are the people who are to blame for the show doing so badly on ratings according to Brad Wright and Joe

Jim
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It seems to me that as of lately most of us agree on this one thing;All that had happened and had started tohappen at this point should have been reached sooner..as ocdtrekkie’d said so much unneccessary throwaways! I’m positive if things had happen the way we’re all in agreement about obviously,the show would have been a success and we’d be discussing the future of things far away from now.Instead we’re talking about whether it’s gonna be canceled,or not and even that is turning into a discussion whether they’re going to give us an appropriate ending of the whole story by… Read more »

Jan Vetulani
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I liked both Malice and The Greater Good a lot! They had a nice pace to them, saw some “redshirts” shot too. And all the talk about Simeon not being logical… I thought it was pretty clear his character was all about administering pain in the form of psychological trauma. He worked on people’s emotions, that’s why Park didn’t blow up sky high, because he knew they won’t go through the gate till it’s either disarmed or she’s in bits which gave him a bit more time. He also didn’t kill Rush after he saw he’ll try and save Park… Read more »

Jim
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I liked Greater Good much better,Malice was a bit of a dissapointment,but als on the right track overall..we just should have been here sooner,that’s still my major complaint. I thought Simeon didn’t kill Rush,although he had him in sight and intended to,because at the time he was about to pull the trigger,the gate opened and a kino came through..so I don’t think he wanted to play with Rush later,he just didn’t want to draw attention to himself at the time the gate’d opened.He knew that if he fired a shot adn killed Rush,he could and probably would heve disclosed his… Read more »