209 Responses

  1. Ryster
    April 17, 2011 at 3:34 pm |

    I have only one emotion to convey right now…


  2. puddlejumper_1
    April 17, 2011 at 3:35 pm |

    All of this is bad news. This is just horrible, I think I’m going to cry

  3. Browncoat1984
    April 17, 2011 at 3:46 pm |

    It wouldn’t be so bad if we had some kind of conclusion, even Enterprise had a finale! I would be perfectly happy if we got one more SG-1, Atlantis and SGU movie and maybe his proposed combination film to conclude the franchise for a while. I always felt SGU would be the last Stargate series for a while no matter what state it ended in, but this…I’m so angry right now at how things have turned out…

    Just when Star Trek gets cool again, Stargate dies. Great. Now I’m back at the emotional state I was when Enterprise ended (yes, I know its just a TV show but it was still sad to see something that’s a big part of your life go away for a while).

  4. Gaia
    April 17, 2011 at 3:50 pm |

    The worst news in a long time…. I’ve been hoping for some good ones finally, but then this :(

    It looks like it really is over, despite Wright’s words…. Goodybe Stargate :(

  5. tomaso88
    April 17, 2011 at 3:55 pm |

    I must say it isn’t really much of a surprise considering how things have been with it all lately though this is really sad to hear though Hopefully like he said some one will pick up stargate again one day could be a continuation or a complete remake who knows.

  6. Browncoat1984
    April 17, 2011 at 4:00 pm |

    Yeah, I take Wright’s comment of “it will continue in some form” with a grain of salt. He’s burned us out so many times with his comments of hope. “Atlantis and SG-1 movies” “working on a continuation of SGU in some form” “working on something that will please fans of all Stargate series.”

    Dear Mr. Wright, I’d rather have no hope than false hope only to have that false hope diminished. So if nothing is coming, say nothing is coming until it actually comes. Don’t play politician with us, tell it to use as it is.

  7. Tekrelm
    April 17, 2011 at 4:07 pm |

    Brad said nothing new here, but it’s still sad to see the franchise die, especially on such a sour note.

    But Brad is right; it’ll come back one day.

  8. Thunderbird 2
    Thunderbird 2
    April 17, 2011 at 4:07 pm |

    I am actually quite pleased about this.

    Don’t get me wrong – it IS sad,and I am disappointed re the SG1 and SGA movies, however a franchise can only go so far with the same people at the top. Star Trek itself is proof of this. Gene Roddenberry, Harve Bennett, Rick Berman, and currently JJ Abrahms. Different head people with all with different ideas. – Stargate is just too profitable to be left on the shelf.

    Star Trek The Motion Picture was only the start of really big things for the Trek franchise after a ten year gap. – Perhaps Gate will get that chance too?

    In the meantime, I take solace in that Ark Of Truth neatly bookends SG1 as a series. I know that will come as no consolation to SGA and SGU fans, and I am sorry they have been left with those stories open ended. Esp SGA.

    Erm – what will this development mean for Gateworld? That’s the bit that DOES worry me! – Darren, David, Chad?

  9. jonah1956
    April 17, 2011 at 4:17 pm |

    It’s lovely that the decided to risk trying SGU, now see where it’s got us! With nothing! I’m happy that SGU is completely gone, but SG-1 and Atlantis! That is sad! :'(

    With SG-1 and Atlnatis there was steady viwers, so I don’t understand why they decided to change things up at all? After the first season the number were very decreased, why did they continue a show that they knew would continue to pull bad numbers and not please viwers?

  10. captain-bazz
    April 17, 2011 at 4:17 pm |

    I never thought the ending of a show could make me so sad. But there ya go. Wow. Goodbye Stargate, you will be missed. I can’t imagine how they would reboot it, if they do I dare say it will be several years from now. But without Brad and all I would worry about what would be done with it. : (

  11. Billz
    April 17, 2011 at 4:17 pm |

    The rest of my inner child just died after reading this article.


  12. jonah1956
    April 17, 2011 at 4:19 pm |

    @ Browncoat1984, AGREED!!!!

  13. The Tenth Doctor
    The Tenth Doctor
    April 17, 2011 at 4:28 pm |

    You brought this upon yourselves. All of you.

    Stargate, the brilliant show with a fantastic run but a fandom which revolted against change.

  14. wiseowl777
    April 17, 2011 at 4:32 pm |

    started watching in 1997 when i was 13, and now im 27. what more can i say, but thank you.

  15. liamdaly
    April 17, 2011 at 4:46 pm |

    Sounds like a polite way to say the franchise is official dead :(

  16. James
    April 17, 2011 at 4:47 pm |

    MGM should have sold Stargate if they are just going to shelve the whole franchise!

  17. JDeus01
    April 17, 2011 at 4:56 pm |

    a great way to finish an awful week

  18. dr_pants
    April 17, 2011 at 4:59 pm |

    “…And that’s the story of the day I forgot how to smile.”

    “Your stories are stupid, grandad.”

  19. nobycane
    April 17, 2011 at 5:12 pm |

    Thanks SG for 17 years of wonderful adventures… see you on the other side of the galaxy! Looks like the last Chevron has been dial for for the last time… :(

  20. nobycane
    April 17, 2011 at 5:17 pm |

    The saddest part of this is that we will NEVER see those three movies or even a conclusion to the SG: Universe story-line. More than likely – the series will be rebooted in a decade or so…by then SG will be another classic show for the history books.

  21. Gaia
    April 17, 2011 at 5:24 pm |

    Reading you comments, I think about what would it be like if SG even got rebooted in the far future… Definitely not the same! Without RDA, Amanda, David, Jason, Joe, Paul….there is no SG without them – for me, at least…

  22. majorsal
    April 17, 2011 at 5:29 pm |

    this is insane! there’s still *so* many fans for stargate, it’s just that they’re more interested in SG1 and Atlantis!! so SGU failed, by why have the entire franchise be shelved, just because *one* aspect of it didn’t go over well!?

    i couldn’t give a damn about a new and improved stargate series coming down the road, it’s the SG1 and Atlantis casts that i like, that i love!

    MGM: you don’t have to look deep to find these fans. WE’RE RIGHT HERE. we’re waiting. we don’t want a new series, we want sg1/atlantis. we don’t want to wait 5 years for a new group of writers to come along and revive the franchise, we want sg1/atlantis movies.

    the franchise isn’t worn out, the fans aren’t worn out, it’s the writers!!

    i’ve just sat back and watched everything get worse and worse, starting with season 10 of sg1 and the change in style. and it’s went downhill from there, culminating with sgu.

    what about Jonathan Glassner or Michael Greenburg? bring these guys in and let them work their magic!!

  23. lukicc
    April 17, 2011 at 5:44 pm |

    It’s been a long road, one through which many fans have driven their emotions and thoughts. We saw the gate being uncovered in 1995, we saw Atlantis raise from the abyss in 2004, and we’ve reached the farthest reaches of space with the Ancient Starship Destiny. We all feel sad at the end of all things… But think about all we leave behind. A whole world full of possibility. And as long as we remember it, it will be with us forever. Who knows, maybe in time someone will feel the same way we do and will take the reigns of the old Gate and catapult us to the other side, once more. But until then… we shall linger in darkness, waiting for a shine of light.

    My fellow fans, Shal’kek nem’ron.

  24. Angel
    April 17, 2011 at 5:48 pm |

    This is very disheartening. The Stargate franchise is what brought me to the network, and has largely been what has kept me there. I really don’t understand. The fan base is HUGE, there are profits to be made.

    And as far as the big screen, what is wrong with MGM? This franchise is a goldmine. So many story lines that have never even been touched upon, or gone deeper into, even way back to SG1.

    I am shocked. This franchise is what Science Fiction is all about. So much for me watching the SyFy Channel. The only other show I watch there is Sanctuary and that I will just buy the DVD’s season by season.

    I hope someone is smart enough to breathe some new life into this!

  25. mindeexas
    April 17, 2011 at 5:58 pm |

    Sheppard would say now:OH crap.

  26. Natasha
    April 17, 2011 at 6:01 pm |

    Sad news. The franchise isn’t even going out on a high what with SGU’s poor ratings. The SG1 and SGA movies should be made. With the success of AOT and Continuum we know there is an audience for SG1 still and the SGA fans have been very vocal for their movie. That would be be a much better note to end on. The writers took a BIG risk in making SGU so different to the other two series (at times hardly recognisable as Stargate) and unfortunately lost. I have watched all of SG1 and SGA and loved them. I have watched all of SGU as well to give it a chance. While I feel bad for the SGU fans losing their show i’m personally not dissapointed. SGU was missing something that SG1 and SGA had. Come on MGM there is so much more Stargate can do. Do the SG1/SGA movies. Us fans are still here waiting and have been since it was anounced there were scripts written. SGU failed but us SG1 and Atlantis fans are still here.

  27. Inkblots
    April 17, 2011 at 6:20 pm |

    What a terrible ending for a fantastic franchise. It’s as bad as – or possibly even worse – than all those series, like Firefly, that never got a chance. Stargate, big as it is, should have gone out with a bang, instead, it feels like it’s just died over the course of the last few years until somebody finally snuffed out the little flame that was left. The fans and the people who have worked on this show – both the newcomers, and those who have put nearly 2 decades of their lives into it – deserve better, and to have that taken away…

    When SGU was cancelled, I had the feeling that this would be a permanent end to Stargate, and with this news… short of a miraculous and Star Trek -esque comeback in 10, 15, god knows how many years, I just don’t see it happening, and that is tragic.

  28. blackhawlk
    April 17, 2011 at 6:23 pm |

    Shame the entire franchise has to end because of the failure of SGU. Brad Wright and Robert Cooper killed the franchise the moment they sacrificed SGA for SGU.
    I knew SGU would fail after the pilot episode. It didn’t have any of the magic that SG1 and SGA had and now its brought the entire franchise down with it. Yet the only thing Brad ever tried to save was SGU. We were told that the SGA movie couldnt be made because of ratings and the declining DVD market, but yet those reasons didn’t stop Brad from trying to get an SGU movie, even though the show failed!!

    The only good thing to come out of this is that Brad Wright will have nothing to do with the franchise again and hopefully someone creative and imaginative who recogises what made the franchise successful will get it back on track again. The audience is still out there, Brad just chose to ignore them.

  29. ocdtrekkie
    April 17, 2011 at 6:27 pm |

    It’d be nice if they’d toss us a bone and release the SG-1 and Atlantis movie scripts.

  30. flynnser
    April 17, 2011 at 6:39 pm |

    Really heartbroken about this but i guess we all knew it was coming. SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis Cancelled, SGW & SGR cancelled and now SGU along with any other proposed movies or continuations cancelled. . . Will always remember the stargate franchise as a big part of my teenage years :( R.I.P Stargate!

  31. flynnser
    April 17, 2011 at 6:41 pm |

    But i agree with ocdtrekkie, the movie scripts would be brilliant to have! At least we could find out what happens with the lucian alliance & with atlantis being on earth etc. . . kind of massive cliffhangers never to be answered there. . .

  32. Yxelione
    April 17, 2011 at 6:43 pm |

    Just shows the pointlessness of fandom… Kinda learned that from Star Trek. Which, after many years, got a stupid reboot that takes the franchise into an alternate timeline and drops a truckload of poo on any serious fan. Guess what’s gonna happen with Stargate? Well. The damn same thing and none of us can’t do anything! Shame. Moving on.

  33. kellx
    April 17, 2011 at 6:51 pm |

    So sad… Way to ruin my week… I cant beleive they are not getting any sort of end for any part of the franchise… That just seems wrong

  34. lonix
    April 17, 2011 at 6:52 pm |

    Teach him to be far too arrogant with the show. I will always remember that one quote where he compared the show to star trek and said it could be as successful if not better…. Never a good thing when you compare to some legends.

  35. hewittor
    April 17, 2011 at 7:00 pm |

    This sucks…I hate MGM

  36. Duneknight
    April 17, 2011 at 7:07 pm |

    a reboot??? I think Emmerich wants his sequel still. one that would totally obliterate all that was done on tv. what made MGM change their minds i wonder?

  37. ELQ
    April 17, 2011 at 7:13 pm |

    Could someone ask Wright at the convention if a book deal is in the works? I mean, if we can’t movies, I wouldn’t mind 2-3 books to conclude the SGU story.

    But I definitely need a conclusion.

  38. Duneknight
    April 17, 2011 at 7:13 pm |

    a true fan would have supported SGU even if he didnt like it because that would in return have helped SGA and SG-1.

  39. candylyn
    April 17, 2011 at 7:17 pm |

    In no more than 5 years the entire Stargate Universe will be launched. None of the past players will be involved. I am surprised anyone thought there would be SG1 or SGA movies as they auctioned off everything; yet say they have little in the way of funding. You sell it all so you can shell out money to rebuild? As for SGU, sorry the size of the sudience did not warrent it. Out of the 1 million who watch in the US maybe 10% would buy the DVD. RIP SG1, I got the box sets and fan fiction to keep me warm.

  40. Duneknight
    April 17, 2011 at 7:21 pm |

    and the ratings for the mckay episode really showed the value of the stargate franchise.

  41. knowles2
    April 17, 2011 at 7:25 pm |

    I am sad we will not get a ending for SGU.

    At least Atlantis and SG1 had a ending an frankly I after seeing what the writers and the universe were capable of delivering in SGU I have fallen a bit out of love with the other two series.

    I hope we will get a book or two to wrap up SGU in the near future.

  42. Duneknight
    April 17, 2011 at 7:27 pm |

    i like the positive spin the title of the article has. brad’s words actually mean its over…forever. no one believes anyone will pick it up. The franchise is history, stargate buried again.

  43. captain-bazz
    April 17, 2011 at 8:01 pm |

    I think it is easier to reboot a series like Star Trek because you just set it in a different time or on a different ship. Since Stargate is supposed to be the here and now I can’t see how they could move on with the show without rehashing what has already been done or completely changing the feel and/or time frame of the show.
    I personally would be open to this, but with the way fandom reacted to SGU I can’t see it going down very well. However, a new series wouldn’t have the anger of the Atlantis cancellation hanging over it.
    Oh well, here is hoping for some Stargate in the future.

    My Stargate DVD marathon starts tomorrow!!!

  44. darsfog
    April 17, 2011 at 8:05 pm |

    Comic form!!! Common let IDW create a comic to keep the series going… It worked for Buffy and Angel.

  45. Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
    April 17, 2011 at 8:14 pm |

    This only confirms what I feared would happen ever since SGU ratings started going down. It would die and take the Franchise with it.

    This really pisses me off, not so much the death of SGU, I can live with that, but the decision not to greenlight the movies because SGU has done badly. SGU is NOTHING like SG1 and Atlantis, if people don’t like SGU fine, but you can’t base a decision about the SGA/SG1 movies based on SGU’s performance. Do they remember that the SG1 movies were successful for them?

  46. rac80
    April 17, 2011 at 8:14 pm |

    Can’t say I am sad;actually i am rather pelased. Hopefully now MGM will hire some fresh faces with new ideas and reboot Stargate. The sci-fi soap idea never worked for me!

    @duneknight- maybe you enjoy torturing yourself over a horrible show so that other small minds won’t call you a traitor, but MY time is too valuable to waste on a terrible show. I really could careless what anyone else’s opinion is of my televison habits. So you liked it- good for you! Call me a traitor all you wish, I simply prefer my taste in good television to yours! ;)

    here’s to the next incarnation of GOOD stargate- until then 15 seasons of SG1 and SGA will entertain me very well. =D

  47. Sylvia
    April 17, 2011 at 8:14 pm |


  48. darkthunder
    April 17, 2011 at 8:16 pm |

    The first mistake that MGM/Syfy/Brad Wright did, was to cancel SGA -first-, and later have SGU start out fresh as a newcomer. SGA benefitted greatly from being simulcast alongside SG-1 for seasons 8-10. Had they continued producing SGA alongside SGU, the ratings would likely have been higher, and we’d probably see a shift in SGA style to be more in line with SGU’s style.

  49. em84
    April 17, 2011 at 8:19 pm |

    For many months now all i`ve seen is it`s sga fan`s fault it`s sci fi`s fault etc etc for sgu being cancelled yeah point the finger get angry i felt the same way when sga got cancelled i`d love nothing more than to see what happen`s to atlantis but it isnt going to happen maybe in the future we might find out.So why bitch and moan and slag people off.I mean your a traitor if you don`t watch sgu sorry but wtf is that all about. You don`t like something you are not going to watch it.I know what you mean as it`s part of the franchise but personally sgu didnt do anythng for me but it did others.and it dosn`t mean i wanted to see it fail cause i didn`t and everyone`s entitled to their own opion`s just don`t let them get the better of you.Here`s hope to the future of all three stargates.

  50. zainea13
    April 17, 2011 at 8:24 pm |

    @Browncoat1984 There is a difference between false hope and hope that doesn’t work out. False hope is when someone tells you to believe is something even when they know it can never happen.

    What happened here is he was hopeful as we were. Then things didn’t work out, so the hope just didn’t turn out the way we wanted it to.

  51. sixampfuze
    April 17, 2011 at 8:26 pm |

    All of those who are blaming SGU for the “death or shelving” of the stargate franchise are fools! Fans started leaving the franchise in sg1 season 8  sga season 3. Sga had episodes in the .9 area. I’ve watched SG since it launched back on showtime and I will miss the franchise as a whole. All 3 shows had flaws and we all can argue back and fourth about the pros and cos of each but that won’t solve the fact that stargate got stale. I want more sg on tv and I was quite happy with sgu . I just hope if there is a a next sg show that it combines a little from each show and isn’t just a sga or sg1 clone.

    I’d like to thank gateworld ,mr wright , Cooper, the actors , directors and crews of the stargate franchise for bringing me many years of enjoyment. I live u stargate and I will miss you.

  52. Old_Warhorse
    April 17, 2011 at 8:38 pm |

    I agree with Sylvia above; if SGA hadn’t been canceled out of hand, SGU would have had it as a lead in or follow on and would more likely have taken off on its own after two or three years of running with SGA and bringing the fanbase with it. As it happened, the premature cancellation of SGA alienated a large portion of the Stargate fanbase and SGU never gained a sufficient fanbase on its own to compensate for the ratings drop.

    Personally, I miss both SG-1 and SGA terribly, but there are some truly excellent fan authors out there, so those series are not entirely dead as long as we have fan fiction. As for a reboot in the future, we’ll just have to wait and hope that good things will happen when someone decides to go through the Stargate again.

  53. Stargate80
    April 17, 2011 at 9:47 pm |

    We still have re runs, or boxsets.No movies, man that sucks.I wonder how long we will have too wait for another series?, or if they even make another stargate series, who knows time will tell i suppose, sigh!

  54. iom666
    April 17, 2011 at 9:50 pm |

    My heart bleeds again…

  55. The Admiral
    The Admiral
    April 17, 2011 at 10:10 pm |

    As Mr Broody said in Twin Destinies; “its not any one thing, its the accumulation”. There is no single explanation for the fall of Stargate, its merely a perfect storm of multiple causes that has effectively killed the franchise. Going back a ways, one of the biggest and not actually well known in the fan base was the recession. One of the casualties of the recession was the direct to DVD market, which as we all know was the medium for the SG1 movies; and they cut it close with the releases (Continuum being summer 2008, right before everything failed). This eventually ties in with another reason for the death of Stargate, MGM’s financial troubles. Quantum of Solace netted MGM enough money to keep going during the beginning of the recession, but finally gave out in 2010 right when SGU’s future was in doubt. Their emergence from bankruptcy gave them around 500 million in cash to finance projects, most of which is funneled straight into Bond 23 because at the end of the day, James Bond simply makes more money then Stargate. MGM is throwing all they have into their feature movies, because there is no market for direct to DVD anymore; fan support just isn’t nearly enough to recover the shooting costs. This is primarily why we don’t have an Atlantis or another SG1 movie, MGM is afraid its a big waste of money they can’t afford to fool around with.

    Second, is obviously what is happening with the SyFy channel and their programing strategies that not only damaged Stargate Universe, but killed Caprica as well. The executives have had a history of flip flopping with their programing for the sake of making more money; case in point SyFy’s VP of original programing Erika Kennair. Through Joseph Mallozi’s blog, I know she is a very big fan of the Stargate franchise, SGU in particular. Through SyFy, I know that not only was she instrumental in bringing WWE to SyFy, is that she also oversee it as well; which means she called the shots on its time slot. As we all know, SGU was bumped in favor of WWE, as Sanctuary was deemed impossible to change time slots, and I’ll explain why that is later on. SGU as we know has been up against network heavyweights on Tuesday night such as NCIS: LA, and Dancing with the Stars. Personally,at the time, I chose SGU over NCIS: LA because of my personal belief that NCIS: LA was a dull show, and I thought SGU was better. The fact is NCIS: LA and the rest on that Tuesday night time slot were popular, and I’m sure there were plenty of fans of both shows who chose their network shows over SGU. The time slot change was a direct result of SyFy’s desire for a format change, shows like Sanctuary, Haven and Being Human are simply not of the scifi genera. Sanctuary fit into SyFy’s vision for more fantasy and reality TV, and less scifi, and therefore got to keep its time slot; where as SGU, a show part of a franchise that had earned its time slot, was bumped to make room for the preferred WWE. Both sides blame the fan base for destroying the franchise through either supporting or hating SGU depending on the side of the argument. But in reality only one fan as done something to harm the franchise, and that fan’s name is Erika Kennair; stop blaming each other and blame the one fan who actually did harm to both SGU and the franchise.

    Another problem ties in with SGU’s time slot moves, and that is of course the Nielsen media research system. At the moment, it is woefully archaic, and yet every channel uses it to measure viewership. There are only 25,000 Nielsen families in America, and the info from these 25,000 is fed into a mathematical formula that has the total estimated television households in America; this is where a ratings number comes from. Unless you have a Nielsen box hooked up, you have no say in viewership as the Nielsen company decides if you watched a show or not in the grand scheme of things. DVR, iTunes, and Hulu aren’t counted because in those mediums you don’t watch the commercials. Advertisement is the lifeblood of a network, and since Nielsen is the only one that measures, and I use the term measure lightly, live viewing when we are likely to sit through commercials. A minority of Americans have the say in this convoluted system, and if you have a brain then you know this minority can’t possibly speak for the majority of American television households in reality; all our tastes are different.

    Now I’m not doing this to solely defend SGU, I’m doing it for the franchise as a whole, which at the moment is really SGU as there is no other Stargate show on. Despite this, I believe that SGU has problems, but nothing on the scale that the SGU haters like to promote. As it was said in the SG1 episode 200; “Science fiction is an existential metaphor that allows us to tell stories about the human condition. Isaac Asimov once said, “Individual science fiction stories may seem as trivial as ever to the blinded critics and philosophers of today, but the core of science fiction, its essence, has become crucial to our salvation, if we are to be saved at all.”” Having a show with people stranded on a ship halfway across the universe with a crew that struggles with personal and social issues is science fiction. Its not anti-stargate, and its not a BSG ripoff just because they have a shaky cam and character drama; making that comparison like the SGU haters like to is complete fantasy with no hard facts or basis in reality to back it up. SGU wasn’t without its flaws though, and where I believe they went a little too far with the character drama was the Young/TJ affair, but I understand that it had to be done to cover up Actress Alaina Huffman’s pregnancy. There were other ways to explore those characters drama and development, but the producers choose to go the way of an affair between the two for reasons beyond their control. It was either that, or fire Alaina Huffman and kill off TJ; that personally is where I think the producers and writers went wrong with the show.

    A lot of fans blame the showrunners for the failure of SGU, and by extension the franchise, through their change of the format with SGU. The SGU haters like to say Atlantis was better, but the fact of the matter is Atlantis in its final season was terrible; and the classic format of a fixed team going offworld on adventures was getting stale after 12 years of it. The only positive aspects of the final season was the addition of Woolsey, and the episode The Daedalus Variations. Atlantis the city was fast becoming more like the SGC, and less like the amazing city of he ancients. It was blown up, and then miraculously restored; life signs detectors replaced by commercial hand held computers and tablet PCs. The writers started big plotlines, but also ended others indicating some foreknowledge of possible cancellation. Vegas was an utterly terrible tie in to Enemy at the Gate because the parallel universe was never fully established or developed. Enemy at the Gate was extremely rushed and retooled from the real season finale, and was filled with deus ex machinas. Before you SGU haters go bashing SGU with Atlantis’ “superiority”, why don’t you try explaining the wormhole drive fiasco first? SGU isn’t an example of the showrunners turning on the fanbase, turning the franchise into a animated show on Cartoon Network is turning on the fanbase.

    Do I think the show runners were to blame with the death of Stargate? They made mistakes with Atlantis and SGU, but they can’t be faulted for wanting to try something new since the old ways were becoming stale. Do I think the fans were to blame? Aside from Erika Kennair’s direct actions, I believe some of the fan base is to blame in name only with their vocal hate. There’s nothing us, the fans, could have done to hate or save Stargate. I think us fans only hurt ourselves and hurt the feelings of the cast and crew with the vocal dissent and sites such as SGUS. I believe a lot of fans had it in their heads that if they hated on SGU, it would fail and Atlantis would magically come back. They didn’t realize what I and a lot of other level heads saw, and it was this very scenario; the franchise is dead. We needed SGU to succeed, and we needed people to like it if there was gonna be hope for the future whether or not it rested in a fourth series of SG1/SGA/SGU movies. The SGU haters in the fan base didn’t cancel the series and kill the franchise, but they weren’t helping it by letting hate cloud judgment that might have let them see this very outcome in advance.

    And now we’re stuck with this uncertain future for our beloved franchise, and I don’t know about you but I don’t see a real continuation in other mediums. Books are simply too often discounted as non canon by the general franchise runners, so we could essentially have multiple conclusions to all three series in written form. Fanfiction isn’t reliable either, as good writers are far and few between, and 90% of all TV show fanfiction is slash. Do I believe there will be a Star Trek-style rebirth ten years down the road? I can honestly say no, as Stargate just isn’t one of those franchises that can pull it off. It was different in that it took realms like Star Trek and Star Wars into modern times, and pitted modern Earth against all these aliens and future technologies to see how we might handle these things if it was all dumped on our laps. I believe a significant off-air gap will cause Stargate to loose that formula that has made up the whole franchise, as it will be out of touch with the evolving modern human mentality. Stargate will go down in history as having dies quietly after a decline, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t still enjoy all that it has done, and continue to hold out hope for the future of the franchise, and for the modern human condition it has explored for over 15 years.

  56. brianbga
    April 17, 2011 at 10:15 pm |

    Stargate Universe was the most intelligent, well written, well acted science fiction show in a long time. I never connected with the other SG shows like I did with Universe.

    As TV becomes overcrowded with cooking shows and reality TV, a Science Fiction fan has to wonder, is storytelling for the sake of igniting the human imagination dead thanks to television marketing departments?
    Probably so

  57. shermacidal
    April 17, 2011 at 10:31 pm |

    What a horrible way to end a great show like stargate. Im sure there will eventually be a reboot but it wont be for a while.In the meantime they should release a stargate ps3 game, that would be awesome and they can finish some of the story that way.

  58. cleveret
    April 17, 2011 at 10:33 pm |

    Let the big wigs at MGM know how you feel. Just make sure you keep it clean and nice, otherwise you will get ignored.

    Gary Barber – [email protected]
    Roger Birnbaum – [email protected]
    John Bryan – [email protected]
    Charles Cohen – [email protected]

    Jonathan Glickman – [email protected]
    Steve Hendry – [email protected]
    Gary Marenzi – [email protected]
    Scott Packman – [email protected]
    Bruce Tuchman – [email protected]
    Ken Schapiro – [email protected]
    Michael Vollman – [email protected]

  59. Pioneering
    April 17, 2011 at 10:37 pm |

    This is not unexpected but nevertheless so sad. And it is so unnecessary. But in a way, this may open the door for better leadership of the Stargate franchise. Mssrs. Glassner, Greenburg, and Anderson, now is the time to step up, re-take Stargate and return it to its former glory.

  60. DustoMan
    April 17, 2011 at 10:56 pm |

    @The Admiral – Well said.

  61. Slayme
    April 17, 2011 at 11:03 pm |

    @ The Admiral

    Well said.

    However I would like to mention one other cause that you didn’t mention. A cause that has been the original cancer, responsible I think, for the slow demise of many shows in many genres: O.J. Simpson. The sheer spectacle of his almost endless trial showed broadcasters and advertisers that there was a ton of money to be made showing off other people making spectacle’s of themselves. Though it wasn’t termed as such at the time, the O.J. Simpson trial was the first Reality TV Show.

    The rest is history.

  62. kat.c.stevens
    April 17, 2011 at 11:10 pm |

    How very sad! I’ve signed the petitions, e-mailed people, and joined FB groups, and yet I feel totally powerless as my favorite show dies. It will never be right, no matter how much time passes. :(

  63. cermanic
    April 17, 2011 at 11:46 pm |

    I’ve been a dedicated fan for almost 10 years now – Stargate got me through some of the best and worst years of my life, and I’ll always remember that.

  64. Renji9031
    April 18, 2011 at 12:18 am |

    Try to look at it this way guys.

    Stargate Universe is to Stargate as the long proposed Episodes VII, VIII, and IX are to Star Wars.

    Like Star Wars was all about Anakin Skywalker’s fall and redemption, Stargate was for me all about the return of Atlantis to Earth and, by extension, the fall and redemption of the Ancients.

    Star Wars didn’t need another trilogy to tell the story, and Stargate didn’t need Universe to tell it. While it was a welcome continuation to the Stargate franchise, I consider it to be Extended Universe canon, just like all the Star Wars books and video games. It’s not part of the main story, but it’s still canon.

    I guess what I’m trying to say is that I don’t need another movie or season anymore. Watching Star Wars has put things in perspective. So much perspective that I had to make an account to share that perspective with all of you.

  65. patchz666
    April 18, 2011 at 12:58 am |

    Well I guess it was bound to happen but man what a sad sad day this is, I have loved stargate since the orignal movie althrough sg1, atlanstis and now universe.

    I still stand by the fact that they should never have got rid of atlantis that was the dumbest idea, they could have gotten a good 8 season or more out of that for sure.

    But it hadppend sg1 and atlantis were taken away and then we get 2 movies and the promise of a atlantis movie and we get strung along until now.

    Its over they will never make those movies the actors will have moved on if the haven’t already and that’ll be that.

    The stargate franchise was amazing i loved all of it sad to see it just die like this, you think of all the crap that’s on tv atm and good show’s like this just dissapear its not right for shame.

  66. meo3000
    April 18, 2011 at 1:04 am |

    Ever since the writer strike of 2007-2008, every single show and TV in general has suffered. While there was nothing good on TV, the viewers did something else with their free time. And when “quality” TV came back, the viewers thought: screw that, we found other activities to do, but dont worry, we’ll DVR and watch later. Meaning the live ratings arent what they used to be, which means less profits through advertisement, which means serialized shows automatically suffers and get canned quicker.

    They will never admit it, but the strike is what really killed the TV industry today. They fought for more compensations, bravo, but now they cant keep their job long enough, they all get cancel too soon. Oh the irony. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

    When did SGA started to suck? Oh yeah 2008, even though they say the strike didnt affect the SGA production , i found it hard to believe its just a coincidence.

  67. blistna
    April 18, 2011 at 1:13 am |

    All I can say is I hope Stargate comes back in some form. I love Stargate and SGU. This is not good.

  68. kcsguniverse
    April 18, 2011 at 1:39 am |

    One thing to say, well theres more but I’ll just say this. Books!

  69. QuinnMallory
    April 18, 2011 at 2:18 am |

    Sad news but not all that unexpected.

    I’m pretty certain that the Stargate franchise will get another life at some point in the relatively near future (<5 years) but it would probably be a reboot/reimagination.

    I sure hope that the stories of the shelved SG-1 and SGA movies will be released to the fans at some point.

  70. BeckyK
    April 18, 2011 at 2:21 am |

    I have been watching the Stargate franchise for over half my life now. The thought of it not coming back is absolutely dreadful.

  71. blackhawlk
    April 18, 2011 at 2:26 am |

    SGU was cancelled because it didn’t appeal to enough viewers worldwide and that is the fault of the show and not the channel who aired it or any other reason. If SGU fans really want someone to blame then blame the producers and the writers who made SGU. Blame the slow boring plots and the unlikeable characters they created that the audience couldnt care less about. Blame the same stale writers who wrote Atlantis into the ground but thought they were up to the task of writing a multi layered character based drama, that ultimately turned into a soap opera.

    SGU is dead because it was unpopular with the general audience. SGA fans were not the reason for its demise, Syfy were not the reason as it tanked in every country it aired in. It didn’t fail because it wasn’t like the other shows, it failed on its own merits and was unappealing to any audience.

    Despite the lack of interest by the writers for most of the characters in SGA, or the inconsistant writing, SGA was still a popular show and achieved almost double the ratings in its 5th season that SGU achieved in its 2nd. SGA had plenty of life left in it as did the franchise, but those in charge were stale and should have stepped down when they admitted they were bored with the franchise.

    But instead they took everything that was great about it away and then destroyed the franchise even further with SGU. It’s sad that MGM are basing the future of the franchise on one failed leg of it, one that the fans never wanted. SGA was successful, SG1 and the movies were successful but because of the failure of SGU everyone has to suffer the consequenses.

  72. professorhenryjonesjr
    April 18, 2011 at 3:28 am |

    The admiral sums it up fairly well, and this should surprise precisely no-one – least of all Brad Wright. The only possible way to release anything Stargate related now that had any chance of making money would be a new SG-1 film with a limited theatrical release; and my view is it would be too expensive. They couldn’t make a decent stab at it for any less than $15m + marketing, and realistically they’re not going to recoup that. Continuum didn’t even make that in sales.

    As far as I am concerned, SGU didn’t exist; Stargate ended for me with Continuum, and it was a noble end. If Wright had waited another year we wouldn’t have got that much, so we can be grateful we saw one last adventure with the original cast.

    As for reboots, no, I don’t think there’ll be a reboot. In fact, SGU *was* the reboot – and we all know how that turned out.

    Everything comes to an end, people. Even Atlantis was very much the red-headed stepchild, the “Voyager” of the SG franchise. Ultimately, the true end came with Jack, Sam, Daniel and Teal’C fishing at the end of Moebius, just as with the poker game at the end of “All good things…”. Everything else since has been a death rattle, the protracted last dying gasps of the franchise. Better to remember it as it was.

  73. puddlejumper_1
    April 18, 2011 at 3:49 am |

    This isn’t the ending we all wanted. We were all promised so much more. Like WTH happened to Atlantis? What is SG1 up too? Are Sam and Jack gonna stop beating around the bush and get married? And will the public ever learn of the Stargate program? This is all we want, a proper ending to a 17 year old great franchise. But instead we’re left with “what if?” Just seems like the only network who gives a rats a** about their shows is CW, becase just about every one of their shows got an ending. Thank God Smallville isn’t part of syfy because they would have destroyed that show

  74. crazy zotje
    crazy zotje
    April 18, 2011 at 4:10 am |

    why……… why does it need to end now i’m now 14 years old when i was 5 month old the series startet on tv and i was always with my dad watching to sg-1 when stagate atlantis came out i recorded evry episoede and watcht it for like 5 times in a row and now you say its over i’m so sad you guys made evry episode the best becos of stargate i love to do fisica i just love the hole stargate series i hope that it is true that brad whriht sad that its happening this very moment that we have a stargate of the ancients but yeah i love evrybody who workt on this series and i hope there will be more in the near future

  75. Stargate80
    April 18, 2011 at 4:14 am |

    I just hope to god they don’t finish the story lines by way of ‘COMIC BOOKS’.That would totally suck in my opinion.I will miss Stargate, all of them!
    I know alot of use hated SGU, but i liked it and thought the cast was amazing.It’s a shame we don’t get to see what happens to destiny, or have any movies, SG1, SGA, SGU.R.I.P. Stargate thanks for the memories.

  76. peajay66
    April 18, 2011 at 4:29 am |

    An earlier note compared Stargate’s longevity with Star Trek’s. Both lasted for a decade or more under the leadership of one creative mind/team before running out of gas. But compare them with the two decades of Doctor Who. For many years, Doctor Who thrived by welcoming new creative leadership every three to five years. Barry Letts gave way to Phillip Hinchcliffe who gave way to Graham Williams. It brought in new ideas and a fresh perspective. One could wish something similar had happened for Stargate.

    What would have happened if Brad Wright had brought in a new production team to handle Atlantis while he moved on to Universe? What possibilities would have been there if the two shows had been able to coexist like Doctor Who and Torchwood do today?

    John Nathan-Turner lasted through too many years at the end of the original run of Doctor Who. So by the 26th season, Doctor Who was running out of ideas and limped out of production for many years. Yet, during those years the fans kept the ideas alive, and fan creativity can keep Stargate alive.

  77. sauron256
    April 18, 2011 at 4:48 am |

    Can only post what David Blue posted on Facebook an hour ago:

    Actively campaigning against a franchise doesn’t lead to a reboot. Anybody who thinks otherwise doesn’t:

    1) understand fandom
    2) understand the way the industry works
    3) have any common sense

    Anybody involved in these kind of campaigns is the worst kind of fan. The “ignorant non-fan”. Educate yourselves. Ignorance has no excuse.

    So thanks to all those who whinged about SG:U because you didn’t have the patience to let its complex storyline unfold. You’ve actively killed the franchise. I’m gutted.

  78. Victor9098
    April 18, 2011 at 4:55 am |

    I have watched Stargate since I saw the movie in the cinema as a teenager, and it will be strange not having a new season to look forward too. Stargate’s strength is the community and size of the franchise, MGM know its there and they can wait some time before Stargate returns. A lot could change in the world of stargate over a presidental term or two, a show coming back after 2016 could be a very different place. I live in hope…

  79. zainy
    April 18, 2011 at 5:09 am |

    @ blackhawlk well said.

  80. Jim
    April 18, 2011 at 5:22 am |

    @puddlejumper_1 As it’s become a tradition already,I agree with you,lol!

    @The Admiral THANK YOU for writing that post.I absolutely agree with everything in it..in fact I’ve been saying the same thing in bits over the course of these events unfolding.Now you’ve put it all in one place,basically everything I too was pointing out.So while reading your post I got that “magical” feeling you get when you read a book and author’s thoughts seem as your own,so there is a moment of recognition and connection with the author.Unfortunately the subject we agree on here is not very cheerful,to say the least.But,anyway,just wanted to say..very well written and said!!
    The thing you have to realize though is that many ppl still won’t understand what you wanted to say.

    On a subject of Stargate’s “death”…what can I say,very sad,but totally not unexpected.It’s like when you know someone’s sick and dying..you know it will happen,but when it does,although it isn’t a shock,it still gets to you.

  81. zainy
    April 18, 2011 at 5:27 am |

    i’m just so devastated.

  82. lin21
    April 18, 2011 at 5:29 am |

    I can’t say I’m surprised by this news. Did anyone seriously think a dvd movie could be made and make a profit when a show has such poor ratings and poor dvd sales? SGU has had these problems, and MGM needs to make a profit.

    I feel very sad for fans of SGU; I understand the desire for a conclusion. I also feel sad for fans of SG1 and SGA, though I personally doubted the SGA movie would ever happen. I did think the SG1 movie was a strong possibility though.

    I do think, however, that in this fandom some people really think we’re more important than we are. Yes, we’re important to buy merchandise and when it comes to conventions. But as a viewing audience? We’re a minority. So, this blame game? It’s ridiculous! The reason SGU was cancelled was because it didn’t find a big enough general audience. I’ve heard it bandied around that they got good viewing figures to start with and that the viewers just left. Well, yes, viewers left, but I never felt that the audience at the start of SGU was big enough. A 1.7 or 1.8 HH rating just wasn’t good enough for such an expensive show, certainly not when shows like Warehouse 13 and Eureka were getting of 2.0 or much higher. Interest should have been higher when SGU premiered and yet it was quite poor considering the publiclicity SGU got and the higher profile actors in the show.

    My conclusion? SGU was an experiment that didn’t work; it tried to win critical acclaim and unfortunately just seemed to bore a lot of viewers – and this is a worldwide phenomenon, judging from viewing figures around the world. It was a gamble, and I understand the producers desire to try it, that didn’t pay off.

    I’m sorry to see the Stargate Franchise end. I felt there were more stories to tell, but I have to be honest here, only with a new writing team.

  83. GCook
    April 18, 2011 at 6:02 am |

    Well that’s it, it’s all over. Gotta say it’ll be weird not having any new stargate to watch, and although a cross over film might have been cool it was a long shot at best. I’m glad they’re not trying to reboot the franchise with another series, frankly stargate needs to be left along for a while and have time to refresh. I have no doubt that in 10 years time they’ll be a remake to whatever fashion of storytelling and cinematography/editing is popular at that time. I’d just like to say that i think SGU was bold move, and frankly a much needed one. I’ll admit that propbably less than half the episodes actually leave you with a sense of satisfaction, but i think it showed a certain amoutn of courage to try and shake up the franchise. You should ask yourself the question that if SGA had not been cancelled and continued, would the franchise still be going today? I thought it should have ended 1 season earlier, and although i loved that series as i do SG1, i just wish that the acting, sets and writing had at times been more mature and serious, despite family viewer theme. Obiously Brad Wright and co thought the same thing by the end of SGA. Anyway i’m rambled on quit enough, but i’ll end by saying it is very saddening to see the end of a brilliant franchise, and presumably the end of Gateworld also.

  84. AbstractAlien
    April 18, 2011 at 6:16 am |

    @The Admiral –

    Thats the best post I’ve ever read on this site – objective, honest and above all – TRUE in all counts. Sadly, a lot of the fanbase simply doesnt understand many of the things you explained. Especially your point about fans haviing it in their heads that if they hated on SGU, it would fail and Atlantis would return – which amazes me in it’s utter stupidity.

    I agree with Jim though, most people wont get what you say with that post. As someone that works in the TV industry – I think Stargate is permenantly dead. I’d love to be proven wrong, but I think if it came back it would just be a dumbed-down reboot made to appeal to the lowest common denominator, cheap and hungry for ratings above quality and good story-telling just like ST 2009 or dr who’s comeback. (IMO of course)

  85. grif
    April 18, 2011 at 6:55 am |

    this is what filler episodes gets us. atlantis season 4 and 5 were filled with em. and most of them were bad. that show could have ended. sgu could have been ended with one movie. thats all we need. one movie to tie it up. buy the season 2 set when it comes out folks. its our one shot.

  86. Sealurk
    April 18, 2011 at 7:28 am |

    If we see new Stargate on television again, I fully expect it to be a complete franchise reboot several years down the line. It would take a minor miracle to revive the current continuity.

    More likely, I’d think Dean Devlin would finally get to make the sequels to the original film, completely sidelining the TV continuity.

    SGU was perhaps a good idea badly executed. Right from the beginning, it strayed just a little too far from the formula established by SG-1 and SGA, alienating a lot of fans and causing a rift in the fandom. Which is a shame – it could have been a superb new development.

    It’s very sad Stargate is for all intents and purposes dead now, but not entirely unexpected.

  87. JoshuaJSlone
    April 18, 2011 at 8:42 am |

    @Browncoat1984: “It wouldn’t be so bad if we had some kind of conclusion, even Enterprise had a finale!” Oh man, I’ve never heard a better argument AGAINST rushed finales!

  88. The Admiral
    The Admiral
    April 18, 2011 at 10:11 am |

    @ AbstractAlien, Jim

    My post was really to convey the facts as I saw them, because too often I saw the fans blaming the show runners. I didn’t have one single message other then to spread some common sense and try to put out the fires of hate the SGU haters have been fanning. I suppose to summarize what I said is that don’t blame the show runners, as the movies and ultimate fate of the series were the result of forces beyond our control. The part about SGU haters motivation was what I truly believed, as no SGU hater has ever been able to present a concrete plan of what would happen after SGU; I think they ignored the truth and thought a scenario like this wasn’t possible. The fan base was so preoccupied fighting the SGU haters, the SGU supporters, and the show runners that they didn’t see the writing on the wall. My post was to convey the fact that there is very little in the way of blame for the showrunners, as SGU and the franchise’s fall were the result of bigger issues going on at SyFy, MGM, and the economy that made for a perfect storm that Stargate couldn’t weather. I realize all the fans need someone specific to blame, but its not the show runners; blame Erika Kennair. Because at the end of the day she is the only Stargate fan who hurt the franchise, the general fanbase couldn’t have done anything to hurt or save SGU in the end, because we have no power.

  89. medegno51
    April 18, 2011 at 10:23 am |

    Well said, Admiral. Your words left me little reason to add anything to yours, so that’s good…

    My last and only wish, for the present, is for the vocal (but minor) few here on this site to stop blaming our fellow SG1/SGA fans for both SGU’s and the franchise’s demise.

    By the above logic, then SGU fans like myself were also complicit in the show’s/franchise’s demise by our critiques and nits with the flow of SGU from the very start.

    SGU went belly-up because Wright’s creative team failed us. “Us” being the fans; “us” being the wider, non-SG audience (such as my niece and ex-wife, who came to enjoy SG through me); and “us” being the lower-tier show runners, the hard-working actors, and the fabulous work crew. Herr Captain Wright has to be the one held responsible for his last command, even after many successful journeys of *not* running his ship aground before this one.

    That is why it’s always good to bring on board a new skipper. (Unfortunately, the new skipper will have to wait until a new Stargate vessel is commissioned, since the current one has been deemed non-repairable in its current state.) And while I am deeply saddened by this news as of today, I know that change -and fresh blood- can be a good thing in the long run for anything gone stale.

    Here’s hoping that Darren and this site remains a fresh venue for all of our opinions and fond memories of 17 years of Stargate entertainment in our lives.

  90. lin21
    April 18, 2011 at 12:35 pm |


    If the fate of SGU is the fault of SyFy, MGM and the economy, how do you explain SGU’s ratings being so poor in so many countries? I mean, just look at the Sky One ratings in the UK, for example. Stargate has always done reasonably well there, yet SGU, which started out well just flopped in the end with the lowest viewing figures of ANY Stargate show ever. This has been mirrored in other countries as well. Surely the logical conclusion from this is that the show didn’t hold its audience worldwide?

    SGU did have a lot of advertising in the UK. Robert Carlyle appeared on UK daytime shows and in the printed press such a lot in the run-up to SGU’s premiere and that’s more that I’ve ever seen for a Stargate show before. SGA, for example, got little advertisment in the UK and SG1 had hardly any either by comparison. Yet, despite this, its viewing figures tanked. Surely that says that SGU didn’t deliver what the viewing public wanted? And, at the end of the day, that’s what it’s all about, isn’t it? Eyes on the tv screen – watching the commercials.

  91. The Admiral
    The Admiral
    April 18, 2011 at 1:00 pm |

    @ lin21, if you were to read my original post (which is the longest one here), you’ll see that I also explain the rating problem in the US. At the end of the day, international raitings figures have absolutly no bearing on whether a show is renewed or not; thus your point is moot.

  92. lin21
    April 18, 2011 at 1:03 pm |

    @Admiral. My point is not moot. The ratings tanked everywhere which obviously suggests the problem wasn’t with the network or advertising or indeed the economy but with the show itself. Enough said. :)

  93. blackhawlk
    April 18, 2011 at 1:19 pm |

    Her point is not moot. You are trying to put the blame on everything but the show itself. Viewers stopped watching because they didn’t like the show, plain and simple. Every show out there is subject to the same ratings system and they don’t come up with a barrage of excuses to explain why the audience didn’t like what they offered.

    A handful of internet fans have no bearing on the overall viewing numbers. The majority of viewers don’t get involved in fandom and will watch a show if they like it, if they don’t then they will tune out. How are a few vocal fans responsible for the loss of over one million viewers. How is it the fault of the channel if half the original audience stopped watching. Why did they stop watching or do you constantly want to ignore that reason.

    It’s utter nonsense to suggest that anything but the show itself is what caused viewers to stop watching. Of course the ptb are responsible. They created SGU and the characters. Characters that viewers didn’t like or had no interest in. Why should viewers continue to watch something they don’t like!!. The show runners wanted to do something different so they sacrificed a succesful show to start SGU – and they failed to appeal to the vast majority of the audience – in every country it aired it. How is that the fault of the audience or a handful of forum fans.

  94. lin21
    April 18, 2011 at 1:20 pm |

    Forgot to add in my last post that BW and JM have both said that international ratings are very important to SGU as a whole, as far as MGM is concerned. :)

  95. mythos
    April 18, 2011 at 1:28 pm |

    There wasn’t much chance of this turning out any other way, really. SGU just didn’t have the numbers. As for whether or not Stargate will continue at some point, only time will really tell. Could it be done? Of course. With the right talent both behind and in front of the camera, it could definitely be done. Whether it will be or not depends on what secret fan of the concept there may be out there that in 10 years will turn out to be someone whom can make it happen.

  96. howwow
    April 18, 2011 at 1:54 pm |

    I am a huge Stargate fan from Singapore; And over here we are already being given limited exposure to Stargate shows… “Lucky” we still have SyFy Asia, yes the very parent SyFy that cancelled SGU, that allow me to watch SGU, and I own all the rest of the SG in DVDs… Hooray.

    I am too very sad as many fans have been feeling, and reeling… for the longest time now, when SGU finally shows its last episode “pretty soon”, there will be no more weekly new fresh episode.

    But I really like Brad’s optimism, yes the franchise is NOT DEAD yet. And yes MGM execs etc open your eyes and realize this is a good show, a good series, a good movie.

    I very much would like to think Stargate is bit like Star Trek. ST Enterprise too was a great series but didn’t survive past 4 seasons… unlike all the other 7-season series. Then Star Trek went away for a long while, almost became so quiet and then “bang”, J J Abrams brought Star Trek to the movies in 2009.

    So I am hoping Stargate gets to take a good break, but not too long, and come back stronger and better.

    I want those gates spinning again, and locking those chevrons…!

  97. professorhenryjonesjr
    April 18, 2011 at 2:20 pm |

    I have to state that, while Admiral makes many good points, the bottom line is that the show itself shoulders the ultimate responsibility. And David Blue’s comments don’t help – to suggest that people sabotaged the show because they ‘weren’t able to put in the investment to watch the long term story as it unfolded’ is incredibly arrogant. The show was poor, simple as that, and I DIDNT CARE about the characters; so why on earth would I want to watch a five season arc about characters I don’t care about?

    That’s not to say my not caring is David Blue’s fault, because it isn’t. But I am not an ADD riddled teenager; had Brad Wright made a decent show, I would have invested in it. Brad Wright failed to keep his end of the bargain.

  98. The Admiral
    The Admiral
    April 18, 2011 at 2:27 pm |

    My original post was about the end of the entire franchise, not SGU specifically although I did touch base on it as SGU is part of the franchise. I apologize if it seemed like I was soley defending SGU as it was not my intention. As for the international ratings discussion, what I meant is that since SyFy is Stargate’s flagship station, how it does on there is how the decision whether or not to renew; Sky1 and BBC 3 and French TV raitings don’t matter in that decision, lin21’s merely sounded like it did matter.

  99. Duneknight
    April 18, 2011 at 2:30 pm |

    let me be clear, I called the people who kept on bashing the show on the net before it even aired as “traitors” I didnt mean to imply that all who didnt like SGU were as such. Lots of stargate fans went out of their way to try to being SGU down at least in the eyes of many. the casual viewers were discouraged from giving SGU a chance because of the stench of fanbase hatred that came with it.

  100. Paul_Boland
    April 18, 2011 at 2:32 pm |

    VERY DISAPPOINTED to hear this. I was at least hoping that SGU would be given a proper ending. The series has just returned to televisions here in Ireland/UK on SkyOne and it’s been fantastic having it back. I look forward to watching out the end of season 2 but this is a horrific end to a great series.

  101. Whinemoancomplain
    April 18, 2011 at 2:46 pm |


  102. lin21
    April 18, 2011 at 2:48 pm |


    Casual viewers of SGU wouldn’t even look online and wouldn’t be interested/know about/care about any problems in the Stargate fandom. As a casual viewer of a show would you look online at the fandom of a show to see what was going on? I’m net savvy and I wouldn’t, so why would the casual viewing public?? Why would anyone’s online views influence them? Especially on websites such as GW? Who’d know to even look there?

    As I said previously, the fandom is such a minority of the viewing population that any views held by certain sections of the Stargate fandom couldn’t possibly influence casual viewers. How many active GW fans are there? How many viewers watched SGU, even at its lowest? Do the math.

  103. Joe Friday
    Joe Friday
    April 18, 2011 at 3:03 pm |

    Farscape’s storyline has been continued for several years now in a comic book series, written by the show’s creator. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Stargate comic series pop up sooner or later. The freedom of graphic novels would allow for some fantastic crossover stories with characters from all 3 shows.

  104. Pioneering
    April 18, 2011 at 3:11 pm |

    @The Admiral: You are so wrong about so many things that it would take me too long and generate a post about as long as yours to explain it all.

    Just one question. Who are you? Really.

  105. Duneknight
    April 18, 2011 at 3:22 pm |

    @lin21, i get it, but i just cant comprehend why people didn’t give it a chance not even on a cult following level. im not saying it was perfect in fact it suffered alot from bad plotlines, still it shouldve garnered more interest especially since there was virtually no competition from its genre.

  106. Steve B
    Steve B
    April 18, 2011 at 3:41 pm |

    I was sad after reading that. However, something bothers me. Why were they so in a hurry for a SGU movie when people have been waiting for the Atlantis/SG-1 movies. The scripts (if I read correctly) were already written. Why even bother with an SGU movie if they couldn’t even do the other two???? To me, time has been wasted.

  107. lin21
    April 18, 2011 at 4:08 pm |

    I believe a significant part of the SG fandom did give SGU a chance – but, as I said, how big is that fandom? In terms of millions of general or casual viewers? Well, it’s most likely a few thousand, isn’t it? So, it’s insignificant really, less than 2% of the audience, maybe? Obviously some weren’t prepared to watch SGU. That was their prerogative, of course. Why watch something you don’t want to or aren’t interested in? Some also decided to be negative about SGU even though they didn’t watch the show – not what I’d do, but each to his/her own.

    But how many actually actively did this? Surely that was a minority? Maybe, what, a few hundred fans?

    Personally, I watched SGU and gave it more of a chance than I would ANY other scifi show. I gave it that chance BECAUSE I was a fan of SG1 and SGA and felt a loyalty to the franchise, also, I wanted to enjoy and embrace a new science fiction tv show. I REALLY wanted to love SGU. Had I not been a fan of the franchise? I’d have stopped watching after the pilot. I watched 7 episodes. Then I watched some more and then tried again. I simply didn’t like the characters and that’s just one of those things – believe me, I wanted to love and embrace the show. For me, characters are the most important thing, followed by the stories. It’s a personal and subjective thing. SGU didn’t work for me. Maybe because I was such a fan of SG1 and SGA? Maybe not. I don’t know. With Stargate in the title, I expected certain things. When I didn’t get them I was disappointed and stopped watching. I can’t speak for other SG fans; I have no idea why they have watched, haven’t watched, gave up or refused to even try the show. The bottom line is this: you can’t make people watch a show. People watch a show on tv because it entertains them, if it doesn’t, they vote with their remote. It’s the same for all shows.

    I’m very sad Stargate is no more. I’ve made some wonderful friends through Gateworld and have loved the whole Stargate fandom thing, on the whole. I’ll always be grateful for that :( SGU ending won’t change that. I didn’t really expect movies either, so nothing’s changed there either.

  108. Duneknight
    April 18, 2011 at 4:09 pm |

    because SG-1 and SGA already ended??? seriously?

  109. Duneknight
    April 18, 2011 at 4:15 pm |

    @lin21, you gave it a chance but cant you honestly say you had already made up your mind before you watched it? And I find SGU to be similar in SG-1 and SGA in its second season, something that whilst made the show better but at the risk of not giving us anything new to explore. Really it was just the same as SG-1 but with a different veil on it.

  110. mcshepness
    April 18, 2011 at 4:32 pm |

    I don’t want a reboot of my series. The new Star Trek movie was all flash and no soul. I’d rather movies like the Wrath of Khan and the Search for Spock than some souless reboot directed by a from LOST with a fondness for car chase sequences and Starfleet High School. Boo.

  111. Skiznot
    April 18, 2011 at 4:40 pm |

    On the one hand of course I’m upset but I would rather have 2 seasons of SGU than to never have experience Stargate at it’s best. SGU was a gift to science fiction fans. It’s just a shame that there are so few of us that we can’t keep a quality show like SGU going.

  112. mcshepness
    April 18, 2011 at 4:45 pm |

    This was sad news. His comments about watching the actors grow in their roles was very touching. I love the pier scene, too, and thought it was one of Flanigan’s strongest moments in the entire series. I’ll hold out hope that the franchise pulls through.

  113. Duneknight
    April 18, 2011 at 4:58 pm |

    it cant end in a cliffhanger, cant they add something to the end of last episode, like a last shot of the stargate or space and fade to black slowly? because stargate cliffhangers are the worst, they really dont give you a chance to “imagine” a conclusion and have it open ended.

  114. Skiznot
    April 18, 2011 at 5:04 pm |

    A network is a heartless beast that will always pick quantity of viewers over quality of programming. I put the blame in three places.

    1) Not overlapping SGA and SGU for two or more seasons. This would allowed people to try something new while still having their comfort food.

    2)Alternative means are much more prevalent. I saw the whole first season between Hulu and Itunes and I know many others that did.

    3) SGU was just too sci-fi for many of the public. Exploring space and ideas like the CMB are hard for people to wrap their minds around. Having a big bad alien trying to kill us all is much easier for the general public to understand.

  115. mythos
    April 18, 2011 at 5:21 pm |

    SGU ‘too sci-fi’? Now I’ve heard everything.

  116. Duneknight
    April 18, 2011 at 5:35 pm |

    SGU IS too sci-fi. and it actually has the right sci-fi tone; dark and mysterious universe.

  117. majorsal
    April 18, 2011 at 6:11 pm |

    does mgm think that putting the franchise in a stasis pod for a while is going to be *good* for the franchise, *good* for the fans? i think NOT!

    you own a restaurant, with chocolate ice cream being your only dessert. it’s very popular and successful. after some time, you add vanilla ice cream. time passes, and you decide to drop chocolate, keep the vanilla, but think about adding key lime later down the line.

    you bring chocolate back for special occasions. successful.

    you decide to drop vanilla, thinking of having it back for special occasions only, but also decide that key lime is the way to go now. this will be your one and only ice cream.

    time passes, and customers aren’t loving the key lime ice cream. it started off, ‘wow, something new, let’s try it!’, but over time, more and more ppl realized they didn’t like it.

    customers really started missing chocolate and vanilla. they were waiting for those special occasions.

    key lime isn’t doing well, to the point that the restaurant owners are afraid it’ll have to be dropped.

    then the restaurant owner’s bosses come in and say they’re going to drop the key lime.

    the restaurant owners want to continue the key lime, and also want to continue with the chocolate/vanilla special occasion treats.

    the bosses say no.

    the restaurant owners decide to try for all three flavors being special occasion treats.

    the bosses say no.

    the bosses say they want ALL the flavors cancelled now.

    the restaurant owners mourn.

    the restaurant customers want their ice cream! they say, why cancel ALL the flavors, when only the key lime was the one not popular???

    bring back the chocolate and vanilla ice cream, the customers say!!

    ~wishes for sg1 and atlantis movies~

  118. Duneknight
    April 18, 2011 at 6:48 pm |

    @majorsa — they did try to preserve it and give it new life with SGU, so you cant fault them really. it failed, why should they do the same thing again and expect a different outcome??

  119. medegno51
    April 18, 2011 at 7:12 pm |

    “SGU IS too sci-fi. and it actually has the right sci-fi tone; dark and mysterious universe.”

    Ugh, Duneknight. I’m on SGU’s side and even *I* don’t buy that guff…

  120. Duneknight
    April 18, 2011 at 7:56 pm |

    what part of dark and mysterious dont you like? SG-1 was more about “lets go kick some ass while learning some cool stuff on the way”, SGU is more “its a scary place out here and why is this happening to us?”. Personally i wouldve liked for it to be more horror movie like Aliens or Event Horizon or even Supernova and not standalone as it is now with only the last three episodes of the season that matter.

  121. medegno51
    April 18, 2011 at 8:23 pm |

    “what part of dark and mysterious dont you like?”

    ???? I like “dark and mysterious”, Duneknight. Your “too sci-fi” and “right sci-fi tone” comments for SGU made for a great Pepto-Bismol moment, though…

    (‘Supernova and ‘Event Horizon’..? Seriously?)

  122. peajay66
    April 18, 2011 at 8:58 pm |

    On giving SGU a chance: it took something like three or four viewings of “air” to get caught up in the episode. But after those repeated tries at watching it, I began to get the idea of what it was about.

    Our public library got SGU 1.5 (but not 1.0), and I watched the supplemental interview with the creators. I don’t remember the exact quote, but it sounded like TPTB were getting tired of writing shows where the characters always made the right choice. So now I understood why they’d be attracted to a story where the colonel leaves the scientist stranded on a desolate world. (I’m sure Shepherd felt like doing that to Rodney more than once…) But that’s a high risk storyline, because it doesn’t really give the viewer a point of entry into the story: do I identify with the callous colonel or the insufferable scientist?

    I can appreciate the Stargate show runners wanting to explore the new material. But they should have seen the warning signs when Ron Moore didn’t get his fifth season for Battlestar. Selling this kind of darker character piece to the viewing public is a very tall order.

    That said, I would be interested in seeing some of the plotlines for seasons three and following get aired in some format… even if it’s just a producers round table special feature for the complete SGU DVD set.

  123. ZhaneEndrick
    April 18, 2011 at 9:16 pm |

    Ten years ago, my girlfriend introduced me to Stargate SG-1. I immediately fell in love with it. One year later we were married and we immediately caught up with SG-1 and followed it weekly. We laughed and cried with the characters as they became a part of our lives. We waited with anticipation for Atlantis, and grew to deeply love that cast as well. While I wasn’t a fan of the last two seasons of Atlantis, I was still sad to see it go, but hopeful for the new series. SGU premiered and left me perplexed. I enjoyed the beginning, and saw great potential in the series, but felt there were far too many flaws. However, as season 1 wrapped up, I gained a whole new appreciation for SGU as well. I understand that SGU was not the ‘family Stargate’ that so many had hoped for, but in spite of it’s more mature theme and it’s many flaws, it was still a fantastic show. Now, as this franchise draws to a close, I can’t help but thank the cast and crew on every series for inviting me into these strange worlds to experience such wonderful adventures. For me, it has been an amazing decade. Thanks for feeding my imagination. And thank you GateWorld for feeding my addiction to anything StarGate related! Here’s hoping we all ‘see’ each other again someday on the other side of the wormhole!

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  125. liln2020
    April 18, 2011 at 10:00 pm |

    This sucks. I wish they would do just one last movie. Even if it’s with SG-1, SGA, and SGU combined. I just really want a good ending. I think we deserve that much, don’t you??

  126. CmdrJake
    April 18, 2011 at 10:09 pm |

    All the data that MGM and all the fans base their ratings, advertising and go/nogo for any series or movie, is fundamentally flawed. A sample base of only 25,000 families? I was the head of a neilsen family for over a year, and let me tell you, when STARGATE or ENTERPRISE was on, we ALL watched. Did it help? We were ONE of 25,000 familys – do the math. A miniscule drop in the bucket, but we WERE counted. There is no way of knowing the true numbers, unless a nearly 100% feedback system is put into place, and that is technologically unachievable for the near term. The same can be said for the overseas markets, though Great Britain, with its smaller population, can be sampled with somewhat better accuracy with only 25,000. We were told that the ‘average’ Neilsen household was between 4 and 6 people (thats the max number the equipment can sample) but you can have ‘guests’. AGE is VERY important to their calculations.
    Besides that, I cant help but wonder about other SF TV shows that have been canceled. CRUSADE was canceled after 13 episodes, Daniel Dae Kim went on to LOST, and now HAWAII 5-0. Firefly was canceled after a season, Morena Bacarin went to SG1 and now V, with Nathan Fillion going to CASTLE. MOONLIGHT was canceled and Alex O’Loughlin also moves to HAWAII 5-0, (with Grace Park of BSG too!) Television is an evolving mass, some might call it cancerous, others say it has a life of its own. But it is evolving, and we can only hope conditions for future SF shows improve and ‘REALITY’ shows will finally meet their doom. After all, soaps that have been around for decades are finally getting canceled right and left, what is there to replace them? Sit back and DON’T CHANGE THAT DIAL!

  127. CmdrJake
    April 18, 2011 at 10:12 pm |

    Almost forgot – THANK YOU MGM, and to the actors, actresses, crews, writers, directors, producers, and anyone who put these shows on the box for us to watch a couple of dozen times a year. I mean it.

  128. buddyglenn
    April 18, 2011 at 10:16 pm |

    I’m sad hearing that the “Stargate” franchise is coming to an end …in this current chapter.

    Even if MGM brings back the project in a new movie or series years for now, it won’t be with the current people, casts and crew. Their fingerprints will no longer be involved. We won’t get a real SG-1 or SGA adventure (like the movies we were promised).

    Any new continuation of the franchise will be with other people.

    Thank you to everyone involved with the real “Stargate” shows we all fell in love with. You did a fantastic job!

  129. Uncle Al
    Uncle Al
    April 18, 2011 at 10:41 pm |

    This is actually good news for the franchise. Hearing that TPTB are finally cleaning out their drawers and leaving will finally open up an opportunity for some proper Stargate in the future. After the staleness that we had in some SG1 and SGA episodes we needed some fresh talent to keep thing going. Instead they were left at the reigns and were allowed to put out SGU. These guys should have been shown the door when they got tired of making Stargate the fans wanted so we wouldn’t have gaps of no Stargate at all.

  130. eteasley
    April 18, 2011 at 11:26 pm |

    I am disappointed but not surprised. All the SG series grew in both performances and complexity but the viewing public at large doesn’t. Case in point, any reality series. The general public wants mindless blabber about some relative unknowns life, all the Stargate shows was above it.

    In a small way, I think SyFy (what a joke!) is getting it’s just desserts. They’ve canned pretty [email protected] good shows to shower us with the drivel they have on (a LOT of “reality” programming) and terrible, not even worthy of the B grade label, movies. This will come back to haunt both SyFy and MGM. It will take a couple of years but it will happen, especially with SGU really beginning to develop and come in to its own.

  131. Matthew486DX
    April 19, 2011 at 12:42 am |

    “It’s over Jack. No extensions, no reversals. No new hearings. The Stargate will be buried, literally and figuratively.”

  132. thedarkapprentice
    April 19, 2011 at 12:44 am |

    Here’s an idea…write to Wright, Cooper, and some of the actors and ask if they’d be willing to do a 2-3 hour direct-to-DVD, or even a theatrical release movie that sufficiently ties up loose ends and brings closure to all three series if, and only if, the fans can generate sufficient revenue to produce it. For the sake of the franchise, politely ask if all those involved would be willing to work for a little less money than they’d normally make.

    The plan to accomplish this would be for somebody, or a group of people to set up an LLC, or similar entity and ask that every Stargate fan give at least $25. Some would and could give more; some less. Let’s say there are a million fans willing to do this. That’s $25mil right there. I could afford $25, but if I couldn’t, I’d bring my own lunch to work for a week, or 5 times a month instead of eating out some place. Or give up Starbucks for a while, or something else similar.

    If the fandom is truly engaged and truly wants closure, in a way that satisfies fans of all 3 series, this could do it if the money were there. The LLC is to prevent the producers and actors from being screwed and also those who donated. By-laws could be written to state that if the goal were not achieved, or the movie not produced by a certain time, all those who gave money get their money back.

    So many people here have many so many good points, but the fact of the matter is the face of television is changing and it is the consumers driving that change. The networks are slow to react, but if the sole reason they can’t do it is money, then make the money appear.

    It takes a lot of money to make a quality product and when you can’t rely on ad revenue, there are other means. A lot of us, giving just a little, can raise the kind of money needed.

    How many of us bought the box sets and DVDs? Stargate merchandise? How many of us would buy or have bought books set in the franchise? It’s all about volume. Hell, I bought the first 5-6 webisodes of Sanctuary before it got picked up by siffy as a series. And I wasn’t sorry I did.

    I’ve often said that I’ve got over 300 channels and there’s rarely anything on worth watching…if I could just pay for what I liked and leave out the crap (reality shows, I’m talking about you) I’d gladly do it. Instead I’m considering dropping cable altogether and going the Netflix/Hulu+ route.

    It’s a vicious catch-22. But I still think a lot of fans, buying/donating just a little, with safeguards in place to ensure the money is used for one thing, and one thing only, could get us the closure we desire.

  133. Browncoat1984
    April 19, 2011 at 12:51 am |

    SGU has been great lately and I’ll be sad to not see the conclusion. At the same time, I’ll be excited to see a fresh take on Stargate hopefully for someone who has as much passion and respect for it as we do.

  134. cheyenne67
    April 19, 2011 at 12:54 am |

    If I was at MGM or Syfy after reading this page except, The Admiral’s comment and sauron256’s comment of what David Blue was saying and maybe 1 or 2 others, I would honestly be thinking holy crap close this franchise as quickly as we can and get out of here because nothing we do will ever please these people.

    I am truly devestated Stargate is over, but I have no doubt alot of so called Stargate fans of all types ruined for ourselves. SG1, SGA, SGU who really cares we were Stargate fans and should have supported the franchise to the hilt.
    It was really was that simple!
    If you don’t like 1 of the show’s then fair enough but keep your negative views to yourself. If can’t support 1 of the shows then shhh just go away and wait for something better to come along i.e a movie or something, but to start slagging the franchise off like that, you deserve what you get and that’s nothing!

    Thanks to all the cast, the crew, producers and all the folks connected to making the Stargate franchise what it was, it’s been an awesome ride and will be sorely missed.

  135. sgcduffman
    April 19, 2011 at 12:57 am |

    I remember seeing SG1 the first night it aired all thouse years ago. I’ve been a loyal fan loving every part of the SG franchise INCLUDING SGU which I thought was a great breath for fresh air in the series, plus what a great development has happened with that crew in 2 years.
    It’s a shame that SciFi died and the crappy syfy of wwe, reality shows, and werewolfs killed True Scifi like SG. If a Stargate gets picked back up I’ll watch it and buy every dvd/blu ray, as far as SyFy goes in three weeks I will never watch that channel again unless a new stargate is on it.

  136. Excalibur5
    April 19, 2011 at 1:16 am |


    Ron Moore never intended for BSG to have a fifth season. The writers planned a 4 season story. I’m pretty sure Sci Fi (as it was called then) requested a fifth season, and Ron Moore refused. I only wish this was something the writers of SGU had done. If only they had one more season. It’d tie up loose ends and give the franchise some closure.

    I’m certainly hoping his might go the way of Firefly. Although it isn’t in nearly the same league as Firefly (possibly the best Sci Fi I have ever seen), I do hope we might see future fans asking for a conclusion with a movie (like Serenity).

    And a word to those who keep passing blame. Can’t we just stop blaming people? Who cares whose responsible. Arguing about it will achieve absolutely nothing. Also, Joe Mallozzi said in a blog post that ratings had absolutely no influence upon the future of the series following its cancellation, so can we stop discussing that? The issue is irrelevant.

    A while back, I heard about Dean Devlin potentially bring Stargate to television, based on his own backstory. It wasn’t going to follow the preexisting lore (the Brad Wright and Rob Cooper lore), so it was essentially going to be a reboot. I’m not sure what happened to it.

    And finally, I can’t say I’m too surprised. I’m certainly disappointed, but not surprised by any means. I mean, many of the actors are attached to other projects already. For instance, look up Echoes. It has much of the crew, and several of the actors attached (I believe the ever popular Mike Dopud has a major role).

    So if you want your fix of Space Opera, I suggest we all wait for Blood & Chrome, the newest BSG iteration. Hopefully we’ll finally get some real Sci Fi back on this supposed Sci Fi channel.

  137. maxrpg
    April 19, 2011 at 2:08 am |

    I think my heart just literally stopped..either that or my entire insides have been twisted. OMG I cant believe MGM they need money so they should be profiting from their most popular films/shows..now what could one of the top ones be?!?..OH I know “STARGATE” it doesnt stay on the air for over 10 years for nothing. Make the movies and get them on DVD and make some money!.

    I now having nothing to watch and nothing to look forward to every week im like most of you ive been watching it for over 10 years its been a HUGE part of my life and to hear that its gone is heart breaking and its made worse by the fact that we dont even get a proper goodbye because the entire SG franchise is ending on a cliffhanger with no conclusion..atleast not for many years into the future is what it sounds like. I would like to thank the actors/producers and everyone who brought us SG over the years..apart from the boss people at MGM who obviously dont care about the show because if they did they would give their fans/loyal viewers supporters a dvd movie at least..so we have a proper send off.

    as for syfy I can honestly say they have just lost a viewer because SG was the only thing I watch on that channel and I would LMFAO if syfys ratings suddenly dropped like a brick due to the loss of its SG viewers going elsewere.

    I also wonder what Gateworld will do now? :'( …what will any of us do!.

  138. lin21
    April 19, 2011 at 2:45 am |

    “@lin21, you gave it a chance but can you honestly say you had already made up your mind before you watched it?”

    Did I honestly give SGU a chance? Er, yes! I said so! Had I made up my mind before I watched SGU? Er, no! Lol! I really liked the look of the trailer and was pleasantly surprised and excited before SGU aired! I really wanted a new scifi show to embrace. After all, I had a huge void to fill.

    I realise it might be hard for you to comprehend, but some people just didn’t enjoy SGU very much! I didn’t hate it or think it was terrible, it just didn’t entertain me enough for me to watch long term – I just felt ‘meh’ when watching it.

    Yes, I understood what SGU was trying to get across. No, I’m not intellectually inferior or someone who enjoys only light-hearted tv. I just didn’t paticularly like SGU. As I said in a previous post, I tried it MORE than I would any other show BECAUSE I felt a loyalty to the Stargate Franchise. It may well be that now the show is much better, but, for me, it’s too late. I expected MORE from SGU after all the hype from the producers, and felt I didn’t get it. Lessons hadn’t been learned, in my opinion, from the other shows and I felt frustrated.

    The characters didn’t gel with me, I found the acting too over-the-top and melodramatic, the pace of the show far too slow and the writing really poor in places. I certainly think SG1 and SGA had their flaws as well, many of them the same as the flaws I felt SGU had, however SGU just wasn’t my cup of tea.

    I do understand from people I know, that in their opinion SGU has become more like the original Stargate in certain areas and that, in their opinions, the show has really improved since season 1, but I’m no longer interested. I moved on from it and just decided SGU wasn’t for me. I’m not bitter about it or do I feel annoyed. It happens. Spin-offs don’t always work out for me. That’s life. I don’t expect anyone to cater for my tastes specifically. However, if I don’t enjoy a show enough for it to keep my attention, I don’t watch. That doesn’t mean I want that show to be cancelled or that I don’t follow what’s going on in that show generally though. I feel a great fondness for the Stargate Franchise and always will. I want movies to be made and am disappointed they won’t be. :(

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  141. mythos
    April 19, 2011 at 10:12 am |

    It’s amusing to see all of the posts by people who think that anyone up the chain really cares what the fans think. Sure, they’d rather people liked the show but the ‘bean counters’ couldn’t care less who says what. Even if all of the publicity was bad, they wouldn’t care, as long as the ratings were good. As popular as Gateworld is, it doesn’t wield anywhere near enough power to control the fate of a show. And all of the so-called ‘haters’ combined couldn’t wield enough power in the matter to matter…unless they happened to be in a Nielsen family. In which case, their opinion matters more than yours.

    The thing is, ALL television shows in the US use this same system. It’s been established for quite a while now. Everyone in the TV industry knows how it works and is provided with the same information. Is it a perfect system? Of course not. Does it work? Yes. Why? Because there’s no other option. It works because it’s defined as working. All of the griping and complaints mean nothing. Your opinion really doesn’t matter unless you’re a Nielsen family member. And clearly there aren’t a lot of Nielsen families with any desire to watch SGU. But whose fault is that? Of course everyone has their opinions on the matter. But it is the people whom are at the helm of the show that ultimately make the decisions that decide a show’s fate. And these people failed. This is why I say and have said that it’s Brad Wright’s fault. He knows how the business works. He knows Syfy makes money on the commercials and that how much they make is determined by the Nielsen ratings. These are all concepts he’s very familiar with. Networks like HBO, Showtime and the like make their money from subscribers. They don’t rely on commercials and so aren’t bound to that world. So SGU may have been able to make it on such a network. But SGU couldn’t survive the Nielsen system. And they should have known that because it’s their job to know that. They’ve been at this far too long to make such a mistake. And yes, they’ll point their fingers at this, that and the other thing as to where the blame belongs, but ultimately it falls to them. Brad Wright and company sunk Stargate by not understanding the people that they KNEW they needed to understand. They made the show THEY wanted while knowing it would be measured relative to the number of those people who watched. And those people spoke and sent a clear message.

    Of course, since I turned out to be right, I could claim that I knew that this would be the outcome, but really that’s not true. I don’t have access to the information that the producers do about the Nielsen families. So while I thought it would fail, I didn’t know it. I just turned out to be right but could have just as easily turned out to be wrong. But my opinion doesn’t really matter. The Nielsen family opinions do. And again, the producers know this. I can completely understand them wanting to go in a new direction creatively, but they put their desires before the needs of the franchise. They could have kept SGA going and shopped SGU to one of the pay networks. Or SGU may have even been better-received if paired with SGA. Or they could have stepped aside, moved onto other projects that better met their creative needs and let Stargate continue under fresh eyes with people who liked it as it was. Or they could have just done their jobs, like so many people do, and left well enough alone as far as the formula. These were all options open to them. But they made their choice and this is the consequence. I don’t hate Brad Wright as that’s a little harsh over a tv show but I do blame him. He made the choices that lead to this conclusion. He is responsible for it. He is also to blame for the movies as it was ultimately his responsibility to get them made. Now he will be removed from the equation and, in time, Stargate could find new life. Or it may simply disappear, not to be heard from again. Either way, I do think this is what was best for the franchise because clearly the people running it lost the ability to do so. Not because they made SGU but because they thought SGU would do so well on Syfy and were clearly very wrong.

  142. Excalibur5
    April 19, 2011 at 11:00 am |

    The Nielsen rating system is broken. They use a sample of less than a million viewers ad expand it to fit the entire country’s population. Now that Digital cable is legally mandated, shouldn’t Nielsen be collecting data from everyone?

  143. mythos
    April 19, 2011 at 11:46 am |

    @Excalibur5 – Digital cable is not legally mandated, digital transmission is. You can have digital tv without cable (or satellite). It’s also required that these systems don’t transmit information back because of privacy concerns. So there are actually regulations preventing what you’re describing from being possible even with cable systems. So again, broken or not, Nielsen Ratings are the rules that they all play by and they all know it.

  144. rcr
    April 19, 2011 at 12:53 pm |

    As a fan who grew up with Stargate I feel so sad, the failing of one part of the Frachise – SGU does not warrant such draconian punishment for the entire series, my feeling is Malozzi and Wright are being punished – “fired” for bringing down the franchise, maybe whena new team of producers makes a reboot that we can have a new SG franchise ……hoping

  145. SGU-A ASSIS
    April 19, 2011 at 1:37 pm |

    If you fell unhappy with this decision like me please sign this petitions
    Maybe all together we can change this situation!!!!???

    pass the word to your friends


  146. Duneknight
    April 19, 2011 at 1:45 pm |

    the neilson system doesnt seem to be broken for burn notice or bones or hopefully Transporter. Its only broken with unpopular shows, geez I wonder why?

  147. Seaco
    April 19, 2011 at 2:18 pm |

    when it was contained SG1 and SGA, of course would be impossible only one serie to substitute the two, and the intelligence of the fans! it was good while they made SG1 and SGA, but SGU was a ****! thank you for the good that you did, when you wanted!

  148. Skiznot
    April 19, 2011 at 2:49 pm |

    I stand by my “too sci-fi” statement. Most people watching TV don’t have any interest in gas giants, binary pulsars, the cosmic microwave back ground etc. Many can’t relate to the tension of trying to navigate in a space suit with no gravity. People have walked in forests and visited other human cultures so those kinds of stories may be easier for the general viewing public to relate to. I remember someone once told me they had trouble watching BSG because it was too claustrophobic for him. So some people don’t feel that wonder of exploration with SGU, they instead feel the trapped and isolated part and miss sunshine and all that. So yes, it is a show about exploring space which is something few can relate to and it takes a leap of imagination. I’m talking about the general public not the science fiction fan that decided they didn’t like the chapter story style. SGU was a big hit for people interested in astronomy so it was more wonder and exploration than an action show about a war. It’s much easier for people to understand a big scary trying to kill us vs a show about unlocking the mysteries of the universe.

  149. halfblind79
    April 19, 2011 at 3:47 pm |

    It’s a sad day for Stargate fans!! Sad, very sad day indeed. :( At least I have my DVDs for comfort.

  150. captain-bazz
    April 19, 2011 at 5:05 pm |

    To hell with it! I’m going to make my own Stargate Franchise! With Black Jack and Hookers!!! :D

  151. medegno51
    April 19, 2011 at 7:57 pm |


    Come on down off of that high horse you’re on, and smell deeply the manure that same high horse of yours is a’layin’ down.

    I happen to like astronomy, Q-mechanics, a little paleontology, and a lot of political history myself… but even SGU/sci-fi fans like me didn’t like the avenue SGU (‘s writers) was venturing down. And as others here on this site have said: If they didn’t want to bore themselves continuously writing for the current Stargate mythos, then those same writers and runners should’ve stepped aside for someone who would’ve brought a fresh set of eyes and ideas to the 15+ year franchise.

    But, for you to now insinuate that the general public’s rejection of SGU is because of their diminished brain capacity- as opposed to you and other sci-fi fans of your ilk- sounds a tad too snooty-ish to this poster, if you ask me. I’m willing to bet that those same low-brow viewers were tuning in to shows like ’Lost’, and the popular ‘BSG’— you know, that *other* show that “adult” sci-fi fans speak oh-so-wistfully about…

    My goodness.

  152. mythos
    April 19, 2011 at 8:20 pm |

    @Skiznot – If SGU had started off as a show about unlocking the mysteries of the universe, it would still be on the air. But it was a show about a bunch of screw-ups that somehow got attached to one of the biggest and most important military and scientific missions in the universe that only recently decided to start being about finding the mysteries of the universe. It’s starting to get closer to sci-fi, but hasn’t really made it there yet. And with just a few episodes left, it’s not likely to really get there.

  153. worgel
    April 19, 2011 at 9:50 pm |

    It just plain sucks! My world is a little emptier now. With no more outer space shows to watch I will be canceling my cable subscription. Goodbye bull crap Lord of the Rings rip off shows and to Hawaii-50, you can go bleep yourself. That is all

  154. Browncoat1984
    April 19, 2011 at 11:45 pm |

    Ugh, again with the “its not sci-fi” crap. I’m sick of this argument. Sci-fi is a broad genre and just because you don’t like a show means its not sci-fi. They’re on a ship, in outerspace, something which generally doesn’t happen in our world.

    That being said, while I have loved SGU from the beginning I believe you were right in your assessment. SGU was not what I expected (and yes, I did like it) and had they focused more on the mysteries of the universe and less on whose sleeping with who it might have done better.

    That being said, its pretty much a moot point to argue it since its done and will be gone soon.

  155. ross613
    April 19, 2011 at 11:50 pm |

    After watching “Common Descent” (S02E17) this evening, I can’t imagine what MGM would be thinking cancelling SG:U. Contrasting it with other sci-fi programs out there (on SyFy and elsewhere) these days, it should have been at the very bottom of the list when it came time to decide what to cancel.

    Perhaps MGM will ultimately do the right thing and, given its own financial woes, sell the SG franchise to a producer that can give it the attention and financing it deserves. (Of course, that’ll never happen for a list of reasons that come to mind, but those of us into sci-fi are nothing if not dreamers first, right?)

  156. rsharpe
    April 20, 2011 at 12:26 am |

    As Joe Flanigan said recently on a short twitter movie as he was about to throw himself down a 12,000 foot mountain, even with his bad shoulder, “Peace. Out.”

  157. robert.sandwith
    April 20, 2011 at 5:25 am |

    I feel that if the stargate fans had embraced SGU as another opportunity instead of an obstacle to SGA continuation, Mellossi/Wright may have (on the back of a successful series) been in better position to get the SGA SG1 FILMS Commissioned and would not have gone cap in hand to beg visionless bean counting disloyal idiots with nothing but a failed series. MGM may have been saved but not for us, they needed a reason to risk commissioning the films and some of you gave them the excuse to not.

  158. robert.sandwith
    April 20, 2011 at 5:39 am |

    Anybody else think that Wright was trying to soften the blow and that the speculation that stargate may be back someday has more to do with wishfull thinking than any impression that the MGM exec’s gave him.

  159. Alex
    April 20, 2011 at 6:43 am |

    Admittedly, SGU first season was awful to a point we dread what’s coming up each week, and it is not SG1 or SGA we are comparing against. Not a good way to convince fans and new viewers it’s a show worth watching.

    I believe our opinions were understood, and SGU finally blossoms into quite a good series from season 2.5. It is sad to see such a show terminated when it finally becomes a highlight of the week. There is so much potential for the series…

    While movies and tv episodes may be too expensive to make, could we be indulged by things as simple as a story book? At least for the sake of continunity!

  160. cheyenne67
    April 20, 2011 at 10:13 am |

    @Skiznot Brilliant comment. Ignore the usuall nae sayers.

  161. davepelle
    April 20, 2011 at 12:09 pm |

    The end to Stargate is a real shame for all of us intelligent people out there that still dream about the universe and what mysteries it holds. Perhaps people in general have become too dumbed down for a show like Stargate “Stargate Fans Excluded of course”. It was the best, most intelligent show on TV…EVER. It was all about “The meaning of life stuff” as Daniel Jackson would say. But I’m sure some stupid reality show will attract more viewers for all the money hungry executives and the lesser enlightened of us. At least they could have created an awesome ending to an awesome 3 series, 2 movies and 17 seasons. I don’t believe for a second that only a million viewers watched SGU recently. Those of us that know Stargate well realize that Destiny’s mission could have been the most awe inspiring of any sci fi story ever imagined. It WAS going to answer the biggest question of all…Who created the universe? In one episode of SGU they discovered an artificially created planet and sun, if you remember. The Stargate series in general was totally based on our true history as humans on this planet anyway. The genius writers tackled all of the sci fi scenarios possible and always came up with original material. It will never be topped by any other sci fi show…period. Wake up people, don’t you see they are taking the smart stuff from us to keep us from dreaming, learning the truth and being happy. For now the only way to send a message is to not watch anything else they try to promote and stand firm about bringing Stargate back. There are still books out there. Turn off the TV and read. If you need a Stargate fix watch your favorite episode on DVD. There will be no commercials flashing subliminal messages into your brain and disrupting your consciousness either. Let’s try to bring Stargate back. You brought Dr. Beckett back! If we fail, I guess we will all have to learn how to ascend…which may be possible.

  162. Sylvia
    April 20, 2011 at 12:48 pm |

    Saw transcript of part of BW’s talk, he says: “So, there’s only one other thing that I want to get off my chest. Now that I’m here, and now that I no longer have a show on SyFy, I just want you guys to know, because I still get letters, I did not cancel Atlantis. I would not cancel. I was making a lot of money off that show and it was something Robert and I were very proud of, and we would have loved it to go on for years. But, when a network cancels one of your shows and wants to do something else with you, it’s very difficult not to do what they say. What they asked me to do, and what MGM asked me to do, was to say was, it was all of our idea. We all decided to cancel the show. So, some of my statements were couched in that context. And what I really wanted to say was, No! They cancelled my show! Anyway, off my chest. “

  163. Jim
    April 20, 2011 at 1:43 pm |

    Sometimes people forget that not all sci-fi..actually tv sci-fi fans are one and the same.They cannot all be put in the same basket.I was a huge trekkie till I saw B5.It had so much more richness of character and well thought story with things fitting in after three years of seeds being planted.So I cared a lot more about what happened to those characters and how.Sorry trekkies,I’m still a fan,but I cannot care as much about a story where everything is always resolved by the end of the ep and it’s always the same old;something’s wrong with the ship,we gotta fix the ship..it’s been cought in a crap flux,so we’ve got to recalibrate the anti-mater coils,or the core’ll explode..bla,bla!
    I fell in love with Stargate for the same reasons as in the case of B5!All of Stargate!The latest installment had more of a character introspective arc,then others and it took longer to warm up to fans.But it did.
    The mistake was on the part of network exescs and their programming schedule,leaving the old summer-winter MO..etc,etc,it’s all been said.
    And as JMS had shown us way back then,besides the fact that tv sci-fi can have interesting characters and good story telling,it can not go on such long arcs and have such long hiatuses.Also it cannot be so expensive.
    Why,cause most viewers want cheap,cheezy kick ass fun!That’s why what’s wrong with the ship,we gotta fix the ship franchise always had 3-4 times bigger budget,than intricate story B5,or great characters and “too many” threads Stargate.Well that’s till 2,5 mill per ep & half a year hiatus,but long arc SGU.
    The thing is it seems that in the case of the final sg chapter all of the most unpleasant elements came together at the same time in the same place.

  164. Jim
    April 20, 2011 at 1:58 pm |

    @Sylvia Their official statement was..the producers came to us,said we don’t wanna do SGA anymore,we’ve been working on this other project.We wanna continue SG-1 and SGA with straight to DVDs and do this other,different thing on tv,so we said yes,gave them money and greenlit their project.I’m parafrazing,of course..but that was the meat of the story!!In fact I can totally see network suits rubbing their hands together and going for something that would,should keep the old fans,plus broaden the audience with new ones..wanting more $$ of course!

  165. mythos
    April 20, 2011 at 2:25 pm |

    @Sylvia – Interesting that he would say that. But he was pushing for SGU to be greenlit…and it’s well documented that he wasn’t happy working on 2 series at the same time…so something seems amiss. We probably will never ultimately know the whole truth of the story.

  166. Jim
    April 20, 2011 at 2:42 pm |

    Brad Wright wasn’t the JMS of Stargate.JMS who wrote almost three seasons of B5 completely alone and without whom B5 wouldn’t have been possible at all,cause that was his tv novel,so to say.SGA could have continued with BW working on just one project,there was a whole team of people there.If someone else hadn’t decided to cancel it and we know who cancels,or approves projects.

  167. c4xp
    April 20, 2011 at 2:52 pm |

    It’s over you can go out and play now ;) (Atomic Bomberman)
    It’s time to put the things learned from the movie in practice.

  168. blackhawlk
    April 20, 2011 at 3:32 pm |

    Is Brad Wright seriously now trying to tell us that MGM and Syfy told him to lie about what happened to SGA! Is he serious. What reason would MGM have to want Brad Wright to lie. What reason would MGM OR Syfy have to come to Brad Wright and tell him they want him to cancel a successful show that is making everyone money and take the franchise in some untested new direction that the fans never wanted.

    Syfy have said many times that they were happy for SGA to continue. Why would they want something else when the ratings were increasing for SGA. They were always happy to air SGA and have said they did not cancel SGA. Are they liars as well as MGM.

    Are we to believe that Brad and Robert were in fact never bored with SGA. Robert Cooper has made it very clear for years that he has wanted a darker BSG style Stargate, or was that part of MGM’s farbrication as well. It was obvious Brad and Co had lost interest in SGA from their lacklustre writing and lack of interest in more than half the SGA cast, but suddenly none of that is true and Brad wanted SGA to continue all along and not SGU. Well I don’t believe this for one moment.

    Every interview Brad and Robert have given has stated how they wanted to do something different and that THEY pitched the idea of SGU to MGM and didn’t want to do two shows and how it was all a joint decision and they wouldnt have a movie deal in place for SGA if they had not all agreed.

    But poor Brad and Robert were just spouting what MGM and Syfy wanted them to say and in reality they were forced to cancel SGA, oh please!!. I guess MGM also made Brad diss SGA fans and announce that the SGU cast was the best cast yet and that their favourite time on Stargate was with the SGU cast – and call SGA a comic bubble gum show.. Just when I think Brad Wright can’t surprise me anymore I get proved wrong.

  169. The Tenth Doctor
    The Tenth Doctor
    April 20, 2011 at 6:16 pm |


    No, they’re not fans, you’re right.

    And they loved every minute of reading your post. =/

  170. Alimoo1971
    April 20, 2011 at 9:48 pm |

    That sucks big time about the moives. How could MGM do that to all stargate fans. Us fans have been surporting SG1 since the beginning and now this.

    Us fans will never know what going to happen with the three shows. there are so many unanswered questions that i know Fans would like to know the answers to like how are the Iscarus crew going to return back to earth and what going to happen to Atlantis now that on earth and what going to happen to SG1 and with Jack and Sam will they or won’t they get together? Fans are hoping that they will get together and so do i.

    it a shame that Brad and Robert can’t get any sponcers for the three moives like what happen to Bay watch…. they could contact David Hasslehoff to get ideas from him after all bay watch was cancel after the first season and they manage to get sponers and now they did ten seasons and what two bay watch moives. If it works for Bay watch why not for Stargate.

  171. lin21
    April 21, 2011 at 3:32 am |


    I have to say, I’m with you here. I remember reading an interview with SG director Andy Mikita shortly after SGA’s cancelation and SGU’s greenlighting, in SFX magazine. In it, Mikita stated that Brad Wright felt they’d run out of stories in SGA and that they’d struggle to find stories for another sixth season and that he felt SGA had run its course. Andy Mikita said he agreed with Brad on that. I can see no reason that Mikita would lie about that and clearly he’d discussed with Brad Wright the situation or he wouldn’t have talked about it in an interview.

    Also, David Howe from SyFy stated, in black and white ‘hey, don’t blame us, we didn’t cancel Stargate Atlantis, the producers did for creative reasons’. Why would Howe say that if it wasn’t true? If SyFy has pushed for SGU and weren’t happy with Atlantis’ ratings etc, surely they’d have said that? SyFy wanted a Stargate show and actually wanted to renew SGA but were also happy to go with SGU. SyFy certainly didn’ deny they’d canceled SG1, did they?

    So, I’m a little perplexed here by Brad’s comments. Let me make one thing clear though, Mallozzi definitely wanted Atlantis to be renewed. I know because I spoke to him directly about it, face to face. He was not happy when it was canceled.

    Let me also say, I felt SGA had run out of stories too and I loved the show! It needed an injection of fresh writers, IMO, to continue.

    I do understand the desire to try and reinvent the franchise and to try something new. But at the same timeI feel it’s somewhat disingenuous of Wright to say how proud he was of SGA etc and to say really nice things now, when in interviews he’s said many times how much better SGU would be, how they had the budget and actors they could never get/afford for SGA, how he could never make SGA how he wanted, could make SGU the show he always wanted to put out, as well as being rather unkind about SG1, RDA and his acting style. . . . Very unfortunate words, IMO, and one’s which make me doubt his sincerity now. I can only judge Wright on what he’s said in interviews, as I don’t know him personally. Certainly I don’t feel he’s been particularly generous of full of praise for either SG1 or SGA when promoting SGU in recent years.

    At the end of the day, what does it matter? Wright and Cooper and MGM’s experiment failed and the whole franchise has stalled. Might have happened anyway, who knows? All I know is SGU certainly hasn’t done anything positive for the franchise as a whole, or moved it forward successfully, as it’s neither achieved the critical acclaim of, BSG, for example, or received the ratings of its older siblings.

  172. jonmuse
    April 21, 2011 at 9:48 am |

    I believe that that Stargate will make a return to the big screen within a few years. MGM has 17 seasons worth of DVDs they want to keep selling and a successful feature would spike those sales dramatically. Let’s just hope they don’t wipe out the SG-1/SGA/SGU history as we know it.

  173. Rayder
    April 21, 2011 at 11:54 am |

    This is one of the sadist days of my life too hear that there will be no SGA movie :(

  174. Adiós a los Stargate — TVlia
    April 21, 2011 at 1:45 pm |

    […] Fue en 1994 cuando la película Stargate de Roland Emmerich se estrenó. Nadie imaginaba que a partir de esa aventura nacería una saga que dio lugar a tres series: Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis y Stargate Universe. También existe Stargate: Infinity, una serie animada. Han pasado 17 años, y durante ese tiempo hemos podido disfrutar de las historias de los Stargate de manera casi ininterrumpida. Sin embargo la cancelación de Stargate Universe tras su segunda temporada significará el final de esta saga ya que no tendremos más historias del universo Stargate. […]

  175. Slayme
    April 21, 2011 at 6:09 pm |

    @ Darren

    What happened to my somewhat humorous continuation post?

  176. medegno51
    April 21, 2011 at 10:02 pm |


    As a fellow SGU fan like yourself- and one that seems to actually disagree with you more often than not- I really have to shake your hand in agreement for your last analysis about SGU’s runner-in-chief, Brad Wright.

    I know Darren and David are not ones to rain on a good acquaintance’s feelings at that same person’s time of grief, but they could’ve really taken Wright to task these last eighteen plus months for being all over the map with his comments about Stargate, its fans, and his dealings with both MGM and SyFy.

    I’ve learned one BIG lesson in my forty-plus years on this planet: Actions and results will *always* trump any words made by the individual in question. That philosophy may not always be 100% fool-proof , but it is always very close to it. And Brad’s actions over these past couple of years have not always mirrored his statements in the issues stated in the above.

    Many posters- both SGU fans and the so-called ‘haters’ (so labeled by those equally as closed-minded)- have long listed their misgivings and distrust of Brad’s stances on things he was supposedly in control of within the franchise (writing, direction, longevity, etc.) and, to a large measure, they were shown to be correct in their assessment of him as a spokeman for our little Stargate world in the corner of a bigger entertainment universe..

    Did you really think that Wright was going to change his M.O. this late into (and out of) the game? Sure, Jim, we can continue to disagree on SGU’s standing among the pantheons of sci-fi greats long and gone, but I really appreciate your honesty about Brad’s current lay of words to all us fans…

    Brad: “They made me lie to you all!! Long Live SGA!! Even though it’s my favorite, I’ll be a good SyFy soldier and take one for the team!!”

    Gimme a break, here…

  177. SpaceGypsies » Blog Archive » Stargate is Stalled Out
    April 21, 2011 at 10:35 pm |

    […] took the stage to give fans an update on the state of the franchise. The news, as reported by GateWorld.net, is far from what fans want to […]

  178. medegno51
    April 22, 2011 at 6:52 am |

    @lin21 and blackhawlk:

    Thank you, too, for both your comments here. I think the petals on that behind-the-scenes flower is a-startin’ to open up about now.

    Many people- from Mo Ryan to ol’ briangate- seemed to be ahead of the game way back then when they began commenting on these same personalities who started showing themselves who they really were at that time…

  179. tely
    April 22, 2011 at 1:30 pm |

    I loved all of the Star Gate series and movies, and am very sad to see SGU go. How much does a typical Star Gate episode cost to make anyway? Seems like if there were a million fans willing to pay $1 per episode, you might be able to pay for a series that way. I know I’d spend a buck or two each week to see Destiny continue it’s mission.

  180. apc
    April 23, 2011 at 1:47 am |

    all over money. art, creativity, and freedom – crushed in the name of profit. money corrupts everything it touches.

  181. HolyAngelQueenSG-1
    April 23, 2011 at 2:45 am |

    Brad, Oh come on… you do it inroge to Tbtp. Please forever for Stargate is good Tv series. I wish my idea is New Stargate: Legend. there is new stargate Gold Solid and Vothex wormhole gold and Chevons light color from Movie Sg-1 and SGA. No SGU. New member SGL-1 Family from SG-1 and other new two Solider women and New Jaffa six mark animals Legend and Different new planets. This Seriously… You are good story is Stargate. Thank you… *crying*

  182. mytimeistoday
    April 26, 2011 at 11:22 am |

    The problem I saw w/ SGU is that S/F did not give the series a chance to develop. they dropped it in favor of the WWF…okay we all know how “real” wrestling is; but i don’t think it qualifies as science fiction!!! i think Brad & Robert should’ve looked into other networks picking up the series. At the least, SGU should’ve had some type of conclusion to wrap up its story lines. SG-1 & SGA were great shows and had decent runs, tho’ i agree SGA could’ve gone a few more years; tho’ as SG-1 proved, you can’t have the same villians all the time. In season 8, it was a good time to switch to the Ori.

  183. ash182ava
    April 26, 2011 at 2:07 pm |

    Lets just pretend SG1 (Jack, Sam, Carter and Tealc) are just stuck on a planet trying to get home and the same for the Atlantis team in Pegasus. Both gates on both planets are both broken and SG1 and the Atlantis team are just trying to evade the Goauld and Wraith. SG1 are waiting for the Tokra to come get them but its going to take a couple of years and the Atlantis team are waiting for Weir to senda rescue but again it takes a couple of years. Are heroes are going to be fine, we need to be here to open the gate for them after they get rescued.

    See you in the gate room.

    Come on guys

  184. mojo247
    April 28, 2011 at 10:57 am |

    Well, I’ve jsut spent the last 3-4 months watching 10 seasons of SG1, back to back, and it was a great ride, although Jack seemed to age right before my very eyes! I’ve also enjoyed SGU and it’s a shame it will not continue. It was just starting to find itself! Let’s all hope someone sees the light and starts is all going again! Mojo UK

  185. shn_sllrs
    May 2, 2011 at 2:26 pm |

    this is a sad day i and want to thank all of the people for keeping stargate going forall these grate years :( :(

  186. ahodson2606
    May 5, 2011 at 8:31 am |

    i just was woundering if anyone knows how many seasons SGU has and all the die hard fans out there do u honestly think that stargate is finished forever cheers

  187. alpsirus
    May 6, 2011 at 8:22 am |

    i dont want them 2 end the stargate fran, i been a fan since i was little. i love it n for it 2 end like this,i dont thinkk so there is 2 many of us fans for it 2 end…i personally loved all of them but atlantis is my favorite…now sgu is not that bad its just we were so dam mad when atlantis was cancelld by sifi that we took a break, but if we gave it a chance n viewin hits were enogh we would have had a atlantis movie or even posably a come back who knows..but wat can we do now???

  188. aredute
    May 7, 2011 at 1:52 am |

    I didn’t like SGU at first either (true fan of SG-1 and SGA)… but after i gave it a continuous chance, I kind of warmed up to it. Mainly because SGU has really starter to get on the “right” SG track.. And now when it’s just started to get better, to cancel it in a middle like that… that’s just plain DISRESPECTFUL. No Stargate deserves that!!!!!!!!!!! Very disappointed….

  189. aredute
    May 7, 2011 at 2:01 am |

    As many of us, I need closure …preferably with no casualties :-D
    Book(-s) shouldn’t be a problem, now should it?
    They owe us at least that… ’cause waiting for a “revival” is just not an option. I don’t think I will ever be able to accept any Frankenstein of any Stargate series…EVER!

  190. leschwartz
    May 8, 2011 at 5:02 pm |

    Seventeen years is a VERY good run, but as a science fiction fan, I hope the fiasco over SGA and SGU will not serve to permanently kill the Star Gate franchise.

    You have to wonder, did SGU writers and producers forget story writing 101, characters have to be well liked or really hated to keep the audience’s interest? In SGU it was not any of the actor’s fault, it was the scripts, and the way the vision for the series was worked that doomed the series to a smaller audience.

    As a science fiction fan myself, I am 100% open to ambiguous endings, dark themes, everything not working out perfectly at the end, but SGU had much larger problems that those sorts of issues.

    Even still I liked the series, but I realize it will not appeal to everyone given it’s dark themes and ambiguity over the goodness/evil or inherent dramatic worth of the characters placed in the drama. I saw it’s potential even if SyFy and the “show runners” did not.

    And the franchise producers ignoring the fan base, as in the cancellation of SGA – that was a HUGE, excuse me, I mean a COLOSSAL mistake. They should have refreshed the writing and producing staff.

    And SyFy programmers taking science fiction fans for granted?

    As a science fiction fan I am absolutely NOT INTERESTED in variations on “Lord of the Rings” type (e.g., Thor/Conan/etc.) and Comic Super Hero type dramas, not interested at all. I will have no more of an interest in that sort of program than I would have an interest in a medical/crime drama.

    I will read a book or listen to music instead.

    Those are huge mistakes the SyFy network continues to make.

    Regarding lowering production costs, it seems Sanctuary has introduced some ways to do that, and I also believe it’s been proven, that a science fiction audience will stay with a show if it is good, even if the effects and production values are a bit compromised from the highest possible megabucks level.

    Therefore I think its wrong to say direct to DVD production is impossible at this point.

    The only way the Star Gate franchise is dead today, will be if the “show runners” make the presumption it’s dead, and if SyFy thinks it can get and keep science fiction fans in any case with reality TV, WWF and fantasy – violence type fare.

    I still have a little hope yet in that I have read somewhere, RDA and Johnathan Frakes may get together to produce something new.

    Let’s all hope so and support it if it happens.

  191. Fargocalle2
    May 9, 2011 at 11:57 pm |

    Man…how many people were watching the finale tonight. The best finale I’ve ever seen for a series or season ever in my life. How can you cancel a show for ratings when they screwed the show in the first place by playing hop scotch with its view day. You always put it on friday always and you get good ratings or even on Saturday. Sanctuary probably be getting cancelled soon because they are doing the same thing with the show. It was nice to see Eli though grow through the series. I just wish they would bring the show back within the next 2 years and do away with this reality tv show ****. Its not good television, please someone adopt this series and pick up where it stopped. BBC America Picked up Battlestar Galatica like a year after its been off the air. Come on please restart this show it was the only thing i had to look forward to on Monday Nights and Friday Nights.

  192. mojo
    May 10, 2011 at 5:35 pm |

    It seems like a lot of people didn’t like SGU but I thought it was excellent, and I am a fan of SG-1 and Atlantis too.

    I’m at the point where I dare not watch new shows on SyFy any more because the pain of them being cancelled when I am really into them is just too much. It isn’t just SyFy mind you, most of the other networks seem to be just as bad.

    Until the day when Stargate returns SyFy is dead to me.

  193. VincentDV
    May 10, 2011 at 9:48 pm |

    I find it wierd people dislike SGU when they did like Atlantis. The story behind the Destiny, the problems, the acting, everything is so much better then Atlantis.

    Universe shows us that you do not need terrifying aliens or cataclysmic events to create a good show.
    Gather food, a failing kidney, power and air supplies. Realistic problems that are presented and performed in a believeable manner.
    I have not liked a show as much as I like SGU since Pokemon when I was 7 years old. I am bound to my tv every week waiting as excited as can be.

    I like the actors, the story, the reality of this particular stargate series that it would be a shame if you took such a quality show away from us. There is nothing you can give me in return for SGU until the story reaches a reasonable ending.

    I quoted Mojo, posted right above me,
    “Until the day when Stargate returns SyFy is dead to me.”

  194. VincentDV
    May 10, 2011 at 10:21 pm |

    You know, in the end, I think the drop of viewers and the huge increase of torrent users killed it.
    I myself can be home when the episodes are on but many people can’t. And that means they will download it which means one less viewer. But he did see it. And he did like it.

    Perhaps people at mgm need to start working at how to deal with people using torrents instead of simply canceling a show. Doctor Who for example is now aired at 19:00 every saterday. And it’s viewer rates are off the chart.

    But had it been an hour earlier or the typical 20:30 there would be a lot less viewers but all those people would simply watch it over the internet. I do not control my job, I can’t be home whenever I want, I am just in luck with SGU and Doctor Who right now.
    That said, I know how to use torrents, and if I can’t be home at said time, I will still see that episode. But to mgm that is not a viewer. I don’t use my telly so I don’t see the commercials.
    Is that really how it works these days?

  195. emailbenn
    May 12, 2011 at 9:09 pm |

    I will never watch the SyFy channel again. Ghosts? Wrestling? A cooking show? I am done, there is no science fiction anymore. I heard next season they plan to run the shake weight infomercial 24/7.

  196. jayg699
    May 13, 2011 at 10:44 am |

    did anyone else notice that sky in the uk was cutting pieces, sometimes really important pieces, from all the shows, sg1 sga and universe, and that they are nearly always at least 2 shows behind america. in the uk we are only after being shown episode 15, yet you guys have seen all of the show. i personally downloaded all the stargate shows, sg1 sga and universe, so i could watch them without cuts, and without advertisements ruining the very well thought out episodes. and what about the months of mid season breaks. loyal fans waiting on the shows for ages couldn’t help ratings, or the amount of adverts that were crammed in through the episode. SKY tv put nearly 20 mins of adverts in through the show. boring. i record them on my sky box so i can see the show in HD, and watch them at least 20 mins after they start so i can fast forward the ads and get 42 mins of nearly uninterupted shows, even though they are cut so they fit with whatever ads sky want to show, as i do with nearly all shows now including w 13, eureka and sanctuary.
    as for universe not being good enough! WHAT!!! did any of you so called stargate fans not notice the great acting from david blue, robert carlyle, lou diamond, ming na etc etc. world famous actors. the amazing story, which was getting more and more exciting through the whole of the 2 seasons it ran for.
    i have been a massive fan of all the stargate franchise, i own every single one of the dvds for sg1 and atlantis, no cutting and no ad breaks, lol. and i will be buying sgu on blu ray as soon as the price drops a little from £45 per season.
    i am now 35 and i will sorely miss stargate.
    also did anyone miss the comedy from richard d anderson in sg1, the ratings dropped when ben browder took over, it just wasn’t the same. sgu might have done a lot better if d hewlett and joe flanigan had been put on the show. or even rick andersons humour could have helped the comedy factor. sgu was a more serious look at the universe, people have problems, the show had to get into the many problems with the human condition in order to introduce us to the characters, or why would anyone care about them and watch the show. scifi shows cant be all about giant space battles etc. it wouldn’t be interesting without the characters. simple.
    i personally will be awaiting the return of stargate. scyfy channel? what do they put on now that is actually scifi? sanctuary is really good, so is warehouse 13 and eureka. but none of them compare to stargate, any of them.
    is there no way to check the weekly downloading of these shows and add the numbers up for all of these shows. thousands of people watch via the internet. i would gladly pay to watch all my fav shows streamed live over the internet instead of paying sky a small fortune every month to watch american shows that are weeks behind. the british shows cant compare, ie doctor who is more for kids now.

    anyhoo, just my ten cents. thanks to all the actors, writers, producers for what was a brilliant 15 years or so of an amazing franchise. surely mgm or who ever can see that they have made a great big boo boo in cancelling all the shows that matter to us scifi fans.

    yours sadly
    jay g.

  197. flattery
    May 15, 2011 at 8:52 pm |

    This is the worst news ever for my cable company and myself alike. Since this is about the only reason I have cable, I will be cancelling soon after SGU is cancelled.

    What kind of idiot would cancel there best show and movies?

  198. JSL
    May 20, 2011 at 10:06 am |

    Not a surprise. Networks always promise a TV movie to squeeze that last bit of ratings out of their fan-base. The argument goes something like this: “Hey guys, we know we’ve cancelled the show unexpectedly and have no resolution at all for you. As a result, you may feel a bit JERKED AROUND and not up for watching the final 10 episodes. But don’t fret! We’ll resolve the plot with a few TV movies!” As if the network would EVER consider making a TV movie, much less a few of them, for a failing franchise. But promises cost nothing, so they wait until the show’s over, then say: “Sorry! The window closed!” What a crock. For more on this phenomenon see Carnivale, Deadwood, Rome, etc. They’ll keep promising until we stop believing them.

  199. davew
    June 12, 2011 at 5:22 pm |

    sell it to the british channel 4! be well appreciated

  200. kenna
    June 13, 2011 at 10:37 am |

    “We just couldn’t get it together in time, and the window has closed.”

    What?!? Really, Brad Wright?!? What do you mean ‘we couldn’t get it together in time’??? Aren’t you used to writing stories on the fly? Isn’t that the nature of writing for television? Don’t you have the story’s end for SGU already in mind? Ugh.

    On one hand, I applaud you. I love the Stargate franchise, have seen every episode of every show, loved the recent dvd movies. What’s more, I think Stargate Universe is the finest of all the shows. It has the best acting by far, a great cast with terrific chemistry, amazing production value, brilliant music, gorgeous special effects, and a wonderful concept all around. It’s the best lost-in-space story ever put to film and you should be proud of that.

    *BUT* I still don’t understand how this happened. Despite the poor ratings, you should have been able to secure a finale movie for this remarkable production. The powers that be at Syfy are complete idiots for dropping this. I don’t blame you for that. They should have at least given you a third and final season with the understanding that ‘that’s it’. But if there was any chance to secure a proper ending for this tale, and you let that go, that is just so sad. It breaks my heart.

    I am a loyal but very frustrated fan. Pardon my venting. But it’s so hard to accept that a chance to save this story from oblivion might have been squandered. SG-1 and SGA are less important when it comes to closure. I can live with what we got. But SGU was the best show on television since Lost. It deserves redemption. Please don’t let this go. Figure it out, fight for it and fix it.

    With respect and sadness,


  201. bala123
    June 15, 2011 at 5:23 pm |

    i will miss sgu -.-

    all other series i had see, but this was a new serie with good ideas und a good story.

  202. heapfrog
    November 3, 2011 at 7:25 pm |

    Please make at least one more season of SGU, and the movies that were planned. Please, please, please!!! Pretty please :)) I loved all of them, and the ending isn’t really there for them as it stands.

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  204. Coremae
    January 19, 2012 at 7:24 pm |

    the day the dream died, and even now I’m still in shock,what a world.

  205. Tom2T SG-2
    Tom2T SG-2
    January 27, 2012 at 4:37 am |

    mad mad mad maybe mgm should sell there rights to the greatest shows of all time. their not going anywhere with it and i as a fan will not watch anything mgm makes till stargate 1 A or U have something new thats finale

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  207. dbyte
    February 16, 2012 at 1:30 pm |

    I canceled my cable soon after the last episode of SGU .. Nothing else has really appealed to me since to make me want to hook up again. What happened to Sci-Fi? All I see today are these aweful reality shows. Bring back Sci-Fi .. bring back SGU

  208. jdodd
    January 9, 2013 at 12:41 pm |

    Ok how much is needed. I would pay to have a finish to SGA or SGU and I am sure many more would.

  209. mabdullah
    October 5, 2013 at 12:02 pm |

    a long time has passed and there has been no new update i would also be happy to put money foreword to help complete the series if enough people do maybe we can get something going

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