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Can A Movie Reboot Save Stargate?

Monday - September 16, 2013
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It was 1994 when Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich’s Stargate finally hit the big screen. It was an ambitious science fiction film with a modest budget (just $55 million), and it wasn’t a summer blockbuster by any means. But for an off-season, October release, Stargate did remarkably well with its $71 million gross domestic earnings and nearly $200 million worldwide.

The team’s production studio had found third-party financiers, and signed over the rights to MGM only after the film had been made — reportedly to secure a wide distribution in the U.S.  Along with that deal went the pair’s rights to the intellectual property, and in the years following MGM would opt for making a TV series for Showtime — Stargate SG-1 — instead of letting Devlin and Emmerich move forward with their intended sequels.

Until now.

Flash forward to 2013, and Stargate is off the air after three television series and a hugely successful, 14-year run.  The production team at The Bridge Studios in Vancouver have moved out and on to other things. MGM has passed through the fires of bankruptcy and is under new management.  And Devlin and Emmerich are back at MGM’s Los Angeles offices to pitch their trilogy once again — or, rather, a “reboot” of the Stargate concept for the big screen.

So is this the best thing for Stargate?  And is it the only way for Stargate to make a comeback?

Reckoning (SG-1 816) - Jack and Jacob

For many fans, the TV incarnation simply is Stargate. (From “Reckoning”)

Now this is just my opinion, as someone who has been following Stargate from the beginning — nearly 20 years now.  And I recognize that for millions of other Stargate fans around the world … well, “your mileage may vary,” as they say.  So I hope you’ll consider what I have to say, and then sound off in the comments section below.

I think the feature film reboot could be a very, very good thing for Stargate.  It’s not the version of Stargate that I want the most right now, but it’s the version that has the best chance of bringing the franchise back to life.

There are two things you have to know about me to understand why I’m looking at the potential reboot trilogy this way. First, I’m what you might call a grim realist.  I understand a little bit about the way that the film and television industry works, and I know what it takes for studios to get behind a project and put up the cash to get it made.

It has next to nothing to do with satisfying a vocal online fan base (which usually makes up a tiny fraction of viewers or ticket holders).

It has next to nothing to do with fulfilling “promises” made by past regimes of executives (who lost their jobs, it might be argued, as a result of their mismanagement of a bankrupt studio).

And it certainly has nothing to do with the creative need to tie up loose plot threads or resolve cliffhangers.

It has everything to do with the latest pitch’s potential profitability.  For a company with shareholders, like MGM, that’s doubly true.

No, if the writers of Stargate SG-1, Atlantis, and Universe were the ones holding the purse strings and calling the shots, they would go in for all of those other reasons.  But Stargate is no longer in their control; it’s in the hands of executives who only know that (a) Stargate has a strong fan base, (b) Stargate has made MGM a lot of money over the years, but (c) Stargate on television seems to have been run into the ground and cancelled by its broadcaster due to steadily decreasing viewership over a 6-year period.

What was once MGM’s most lucrative franchise second only to James Bond is now consigned to the vast archive of past generations (think the Raiders of the Lost Ark ending).

Gauntlet (SGU 220) - Observation Deck

Destiny sails away on its mission. (From “Gauntlet”)

That, I think, is the studio’s point of view on the franchise circa 2013.  That means that the odds of MGM bringing back any of those three series and their casts, of tying up their storylines, even of making a one-off DVD movie, is hovering somewhere around zero.

Is that what I want? NO. I want to know the rest of the SGU story. I want SG-1 and Atlantis back in the form of reasonably-budgeted movies every couple of years.  But that ain’t going to happen.  I’m a grim realist about it all.

So Stargate either reinvents itself, or goes away for good.

Second, you need to know that I am a “franchise fan.”  There are different ways to love a multi-show, multi-media franchise like Stargate, you see.  I understand that my way is not everyone’s way. And that’s cool.  Many people aren’t fans of the concept so much as they are fans of SG-1, or Atlantis, or Universe, of Richard Dean Anderson and Michael Shanks, Joe Flanigan and Torri Higginson, of the characters and villains and great one-liners that have made up the fabric of those 14 years.  If those shows are never coming back, some fans will stick with their DVDs and won’t come back, either.  And that’s totally fine.

I, however, am first a fan of the Stargate concept.  I’m very interested in anything that takes place in this universe, making use of gate travel to explore other worlds, meet alien species and displaced human cultures, and get into trouble along the way.  So the idea of a big-budget, big-screen trilogy of Stargate movies is incredibly exciting to me.

Not because I don’t want SG-1, or Atlantis, or Universe back.

Not because I’m even all that big a fan of Devlin and Emmerich’s other work.

Because it’s Stargate. And it’s the best damn chance of ever seeing any Stargate again.

Stargate the Movie - Jack and Daniel

Going back to the beginning may be the franchise’s best hope for moving forward. (From “Stargate” the Movie)

The Stargate franchise is at a crossroads. The shows that we love are over — but we’ll always have them, on DVD and Blu-ray, to love. We’ll always have each other to talk to and to relive old memories, whether online or at conventions around the world.  But at this crossroads, the Stargate concept either becomes something new or it dies.

One of my favorite shows of the 1990s was Babylon 5. Creator J. Michael Straczynski tried the DVD movie route a few years ago with The Lost Tales, but it went no where. JMS recently made a comment that I haven’t been able to get out of my head: he said that, because the show isn’t airing in repeats anywhere (at least in the U.S.), it can’t draw any new fans. A handful of people may find it in the DVD bargain bin, or while cruising Netflix or Hulu, or on a recommendation from a friend — sure.  But since it’s not very “discoverable” its fan base is simply going to grow older and shrink through attrition. And Warner Bros. has little motivation to ever make anything B5-related again … unless the fans demand it.

The same is true for any property, including Stargate.  The more attention it draws, and the more people who join its fan base, the more likely it is that more and more stuff will get made.  Movies. New TV shows. Comics. Video games.  Toys. All those things you think Stargate needs more of — well, it first needs the viewership to justify it.

Not to the MGM who made SG-1 and rode the wave of Stargate‘s international success for more than a decade.  Not the MGM that cashed the cheques that the current fan base already wrote.  No, we’re talking about the new MGM for whom Stargate looks, on paper, less like a sure-thing and more like a potential liability.

That’s not an MGM that owes us anything. It’s an MGM that needs to be convinced that Stargate can be a major property again.

The Bottom Line: A rebooted film trilogy, helmed by established names and given a significant budget, would be a huge injection of life into Stargate‘s dying embers.  It won’t be the same as SG-1, Atlantis, or SGU, no.  But it will be Stargate, and it will bring millions of new people into the broader world of our fandom.

That way, in 10 years, we’ll be watching new Stargate, anticipating the next TV series, playing the video games, hunting for the toys, and grabbing tickets to the next convention … and not just remembering how fun it all was while it lasted.

Read more about Devlin and Emmerich’s hopes for a new Stargate trilogy — which has NOT yet been given the go-ahead by MGM — here.

Darren created GateWorld in 1999, and today is the owner and managing editor. He lives in the Seattle area with his wife and three children.

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  • darren, you just broke my heart. i AM one of those fans that love the characters as much, if not more, than the actual idea of stargate.

    i didn’t like the movie. i enjoyed it, but when they went through the gate and it looked like just an every day desert, i lost some interest. i found the movie ‘alright’… so when i found out a new series was going to be made based on that movie, i was meh.

    and then i tried it (because it was on before or after my then favorite show), and was very quickly brought into it. by the 4th episode of the series, every aspect of what i loved about the series and characters was already set.

    so the idea of continuing stargate, but without the characters i love, the storylines i love, the mythology i love… it’ll just be a knock-off of stargate for me. a definite downgrade!

    joe mallozzi’s idea is to have another stargate series, but incorporating new (characters, storylines, etc) with older characters guest spots. it’s the best of both worlds, still respecting the mythology, but adding new and invigorating aspects.

    i, personally, did not like sgu. i gave it a 10 episode try, but i didn’t like the characters, and found it was a lot of style over substance. i’ve been told it got better, but i didn’t care. so for me, sgu wasn’t an evolution of stargate, but just a try at another flavor that just didn’t pan out.

    but in no means, does that mean that the tv franchise of stargate is dried up and not worth exploring.

    bring in some new writers if need be, but… i don’t believe that the tv franchise was run into the ground… i think the writers bit off too much to chew (at the same time), and…

    i think, with the right writers, with producers that love and respect the tv version of stargate, it can be brought back and SUCCEED.

    mgm, give the tv franchise another chance!

  • How can someone be a “franchise fan”? Just slap a “Stargate” name on something and it’s supposed to be good?

    I absolutely loathed and hate-watched Stargate Universe for a season and half because I hated the characters and didn’t care a bit whether they lived or died (I started to come around towards the end of the show).

    What difference does it make if the characters and plot of a story invoke no emotional connection to the viewer? If they’re going to produce a bunch of crappy movies with no connection to anything that has been done previously and with a completely different tone, etc., what’s the point? Let the franchise stay dead instead of treating it as another moneymaking venture like Star Wars.

  • A reboot is the lazy way forward.

    I would much rather see new theatrical movies that acknowledge the past content and take it further (even without any returning characters) instead of restarting from the beginning. There’s not much from an effects stand point that “needs” to be redone. The original movie and the TV shows are still fairly impressive in that regard.

    There should be a mandatory 40 year ban on any reboot of a popular franchise.

  • I’m not a franchise fan (very much disliked what they did with SGU) but a huge fan of SGA, Sheppard and McKay in particular. Without them back, even if just in supporting roles, I have zero interest in seeing anything further from this concept. My DVD’s and Fanfic will have to be my happy place. (no fan of the Legacy books either)

  • Let me just add to my previous comment.

    I would prefer a TV show over a theatrical movie. A TV season is nearly always better than a theatrical movie from a story telling point of view. But if a theatrical movie is all the studio is interested in, let it integrate with the previous story lines. Don’t attempt a reboot.

  • So I agree with you a little bit, but mostly a lot. I think trying to do a sequel to (wrap things up) would be a financial mistake. It would limit the potential audience only to those who watched the show. However, attempting to do a reboot based solely on the movie would be a huge mistake. While the Stargate movie wasn’t a financial flop, there’s a reason no one was itching for Stagate II. The Stargate phenomenon didn’t take off until SG-1 struck it big. When I first saw, the Stargate movie, I thought it was “pretty good.” It was enough to intrigue me when I found out there was a TV show airing based on it. SG-1 flushed out the premise and took it to a whole new level.

    What would probaly be best for the franchise is something new based on Stargate as a complete work, but doesn’t rely on existing knowledge of Stargate. A reboot if it must be, but I don’t think that’s the only option. What ever it does, the creator needs to go back and take a long hard look at what worked before in Stargate, shake off the rest and start building from there.

  • I don’t understand with all these negative vibes from so-called Stargate fans. You guys reject everything which aren’t another season of SG1/SGA. Keep up this attitude, and Stargate franchise will be DEAD FOREVER….

    I’m very excited about the new movie. Needless to say, a blockbuster movie will b much more enjoyable than tv series production. Reboot? Bring it on!

  • Darren, while I came to love the TV series, primarily SG-1 & Atlantis, I have to agree with you. MGM will look at what Paramount did with “Star Trek” and they want to do it, too. “Reboot” is what Hollywood is doing these days. Ask Spiderman. Sadly, I wish it was the TV version with the cast.

  • I wholeheartedly agree after considering reading this opinion article. Doctor Who has only had such phenomenal success through its various reincarnations. Star Trek has been the same way. So maybe we do need a reboot, and to stop living in the past. We all loved SG-1, Atlantis, and to some degree Universe. But they’re gone now and we have to look forward for future generations to become fans and to immerse themselves in the culture and history that is Stargate no matter its version. I just hope Jar Jar Abrams doesn’t get a hand in it. He’s already ruined Star Trek, I can’t fathom what he’ll do to Star Wars.

  • I pretty much entirely agree with the article. The franchise is dead right now: SG-1, Atlantis, and even Universe aren’t going to be coming back, so if a reboot is what it’ll take to get the gate spinning again, I’m all for it.

    Yeah, I hated Universe, so I’m not going to automatically love anything with a Stargate in it–the reboot could be really terrible for all I know, but I’d rather they make it than have the franchise disappear forever. After they learned what not to do with the franchise in SGU, there’s a great chance a reboot would make sure to go back to being a fun, action-filled adventure with likable characters. And that’s all I really need.

    Like I’m sure most of you agree, I think that Stargate belongs on TV and is best served in that format. Now, I think The Powers That Be know that the franchise has been successful on TV, too, so they’re probably going to make sure that the reboot’s story will allow for a new TV show to be made if the movie (or trilogy) does well enough. The possibility that it can return to TV is really what I’m most excited for, to be honest.

  • If not now, Stargate will be rebooted in some form sooner than later (possibly in the distant future when no one really remember the details of the original movies nor the TV shows) given that’s basically how Hollywood works.

    Ideally, I still hope that TPTB of the series can use Kickstarter or something to fund some DVD movies (basically have the fans prepaid for the new movie).

    Without that, I’m fine with a reboot, but perhaps Stargate need fresher eyes to successfully reboot it as a franchise. I don’t exactly have high hope for the proposed reboot from little of what I had read over the years about Emmerich’s original vision (basically he executed that in Independence Day).

  • My questions is this, If it was such a ‘failure’ on tv why are they bringing it back? I would much prefer an atlantis continuation or sgu continuation or wrap-up. It’s like you have a car and you know the battery is bad. Well, we should replace the whole engine just to be sure. Why reinvent the wheel? So as fans we can either except nothing, or a completely different stargate which will be more comparable to the original movies but won’t even have the same actors from either. Not much of a choice if you ask me. Despite all this I will give it a chance, but I will predict right now it won’t do well or won’t do well enough. I really don’t get in a way the lazy writers just doing endless reboots of everything…

    I wish we could look at an alternate timeline where they let atlantis run a few more years and then did sgu, I think stargate would still be going strong.

  • I’d also like to say shows have been resurrected in one form or another in worse situations than this (as far as renewal chances), so to say it has zero chance of return, BS!: Arrested development, Firefly, Sliders, Red Dwarf, Star trek (the original and a good example of the neilsens not knowing what they’re talking about!), jericho, Family Guy, Futurama beg to differ!

  • First of all it’s great that you made this little article which sparks some interesting discussion.

    First of all, I call myself also a franchise fan, which means that I like the movie and the series, with the exception being SGU. Being a franchise fan I didn’t like it, because it felt OUT of the franchise, it didn’t feel connected to it enough, that’s why I dislike it and that’s why I dislike the idea of a reboot.

    Look at Star Trek. Abrams made hugely successful reboot movies (while they technically are sequels, they ARE reboots in many ways). And the long time Star Trek fans HATE it. Abrams took this gigantic franchise and twisted it in a way it doesn’t look like Star Trek anymore.

    And you trust Emmerich, whose current track record is…frightening, to do a better job, especially considering that he openly said he disliked the shows?

    Emmerich made the first movie, yes, but if you’re honest to yourself REALLY compare the first movie and the series and tell me what those two share. Staffweapons, gliders, a few characters. But what of the narrative structure? The wealth of races and background?

    There’s no Jaffa, no Tok’ra, no asgard, no goa’uld…that came all with the show.

    Another thing about the movie is the fact that it totally seals the fate of sg1 and sga.

    If the movie is a success the old canon will be buried forever, especially if they make a new show after the movie(s).

    If the movie will turn out bad it basically kills of the franchise and it will be ‘deader’ than it is even now.

    For me there’s not a real win situation here. I think the best we can expect is a good movie trilogy, that kills of our beloved canon. And then? We got only 3 new movies, was that worth it?

  • Darren

    @hansolo, I would love to be proven wrong on that count. How fantastic would it be if SGU or SGA came back, even if just for a Netflix season or a DVD movie. But on my analysis of the situation, I think with those shows you are comparing apples to batteries.

    Some of those shows were canceled by a broadcast network when they had ratings that a niche cable channel would kill for — then they were picked up to successful continuations by a niche cable channel (Sliders, Futurama, Arrested Development in a sense). That’s already happened to Stargate SG-1. Family Guy was resurrected on the wave of the TV-on-DVD phenomenon, because it was making FOX some serious bank.

    But I can’t think of any precedent for a franchise dipping below sustainable numbers on a niche cable channel and then finding life elsewhere. It’s a different formula. Firefly was axed when it had millions of viewers.

    Jericho may be the closest comparison, but CBS and Syfy are worlds apart. It’s tough to watch that network’s behavior (including what led to SGU‘s cancellation) and think an SGA or SGU revival has any hope there. If not there, then where?

    In the current television climate a one-season Netflix revival of SGU seems to be the only possible scenario — and we’re still talking very remote possibility. So, if the numbers theoretically could work, let’s turn our attention to the behind-the-scenes. MGM has the choice of producing another season of a low-rated show for Netflix and making a few million fans very, very happy … or the choice of making a big movie that could make hundreds of millions of dollars and bring millions more people back to the franchise.

  • Darren

    @Jaqarll: Would Emmerich’s reboot movie be any good? That’s a very good question. It’s also beyond the scope of what I’m on about in this article.

    Many fans are prejudging Emmerich and deciding that they’d rather have no Stargate than his Stargate. Fair enough. I, on the other hand, would rather have some Stargate and then judge it based on how it turns out. I might love it, like I loved 2009’s Star Trek. Or I may find it soulless and lacking in everything that made the franchise great, like I thought of 2013’s Star Trek Into Darkness.

    But I’d rather see it and decide if I like it. (And yes, I loved the 1994 movie … and he managed to make that.)

  • I totally understand your point and before Into Darkness I think I would have agreed to everything you said in your nice article.

    The point I see is that with all the buzz around current high profile TV shows it seems rather random to reboot the Stargate franchise as a movie trilogy. I also really like the first movie, but when I think of it I really like it in combination with the show. If it was just that one movie I’d only consider it ok.

    My problem is: a new Stargate show is unlikely, yes, but NOT an impossibility.

    With the new trilogy it becomes a pure impossibility. If the movies are good for the masses (like with the new Treks) all coming stargate would be based around the new canon, whether we like that canon or not.

    If it’s bad the franchise will be buried for the next decade, if not forever.

    One thing that really bugs me though is the question if something that long term can even stay good? Would new sg1 and sga movies still be good? CAN they be good after so many stories?

    I’d say yes and as proof that it’s possible I would direct to Enterprise. The first 2 seasons were ok, basically what you expect from the third spin off of a series. But with season 4 they made drastic changes concerning the guys handling it and Season 4 of Enterprise is among the best Star Trek seasons out there. It’s totally fresh, while picking up SO many issues and stories that belong to the series. It’s new, but totally canon.

  • Darren,

    I must say that comparisons with the Star Trek reboot aren’t really entirely appropriate; that does still take place in the same universe. It’s a parallel timeline, but it still does tie in on some level. Enterprise still happened in the ST 2009 universe. An Emmerich reboot of Stargate would overwrite our canon completely.

    I know you realise this stuff already, but it is really important to remember how different SG1 was to the original movie. Like Jaqarll says, the Jaffa, the Asgard, DHDs, GDOs, the Goa’uld themselves, the Tok’ra, the Ancients, Teal’c, Carter, pretty much everything about Stargate came from SG1. The movie had no mythology behind the gate. It was just a thing we dug up in Egypt that took us to a planet. Everything about it and its function came in the show. Any reboot of the universe of the original movie would not be a return to the Stargate universe. It’d be something else, reusing the name of the franchise we love, and making any continuation of the universe we love impossible forever. For comparison, do you think a continuation of the TNG-era Star Trek is likely right now, given the success of the Trek reboot? And like I said, that kind of is the same universe. This wouldn’t be. The canons are completely incompatible, which they’re not in Trek.

    I’m a franchise fan to some extent. I would watch anything new in the SG1/SGA/SGU canon, even a new show or film with new characters. Sure, I want my continuations of those shows, but I’ll settle for anything that just develops that canon. But Emmerich’s movies won’t do that, they’ll bury it, drive it into the obscurity JMS wants to rescue B5 from. It won’t make Stargate big. It’ll kill Stargate forever, and replace it with an action trilogy with no science fiction in it, that just happens to be called ‘Stargate’.

    As much as this piece is interesting, I’d really like to see something on Gateworld that celebrates the canon we love more. A new podcast on some of the unanswered mythology for example… what do we all think happened to the Free Jaffa Nation? The left over Priors and warriors from the Ori invasion? Or maybe some podcasts or articles on specific characters. What SG fans really need to do now is re-enforce our fandom and love for the SG1 canon. I’m worried that this article basically plays into the hands of those who’d like to take Stargate away from sci-fi fans, as has happened to Trek, but to a much greater extent than even that.

    Let’s not give up yet. Even if these movies do happen, I won’t stop pushing for more true Stargate, in any form that exists within this universe that we all know and love.

  • I would love to see a reboot, but as most people here have said, it has to be in the same universe as the show. That’s what making me sad with this reboot, it won’t have the same base.

    If they absolutely have to do something with stargate, call the movie something else and just use the stargate as a device in it and nothing more, it would be alright. Then he wouldn’t erase the series.

  • I agree totally with Darren’s assessment. I am into the concept, which presents infinite possibilities in its execution. I would be intrigued by a different approach to Stargate. A different approach is going to be required to draw in viewers and money. Without the potential of broad public interest nobody is going to touch the franchise with a ten-foot pole.

  • They aren’t talking about rebooting the franchise, they are talking about rebooting the movie. What we get will not have Jaffa, Gou’ald, Sam Carter, Atlantis, Ancients, Tok’Ra, or any of the things that the TV series have given us over the years

    We will get Jack O’Neil, Daniel Jackson, and the gate. Nothing else from the franchise that we all love and enjoy.

    Emerich has made it quite clear that he doesn’t hold the tv series as canon.

    Emerich wants to stand on the shoulders of the cast and crew that came after his movie to build his new franchise. If it weren’t for the TV series, dose anyone think they would be considering rebooting a movie that was barely a one hit wonder 20 years ago?

    The TV series made the franchise what it is, and to ignore that is very stupid on a staggering level.

    Move forward, not back. Build on what exists. Don’t alienate the fans that have kept the franchise going for years. Include them, cater to them, and attempt to get new fans onboard at the same time. It’s difficult, but possible.

    The Star Trek reboot has been mildly successful, but it won’t last. I am a life long Trek fan, but these new movies sit in some sort of gray zone for me; I both like them and don’t like them at the same time. Frankly, I would rather have seen the movie reboots fail so we could get a new TV series.

    Long ramble over.

  • they really cant do anything that hasnt been done already, or if they can then it is cgi filled s***… bring real stargate back

  • The movie never really meant anything to me. It was a so-so sci-fi movie, like many others. I had forgotten all about it when I found SG-1, and I didn’t even remember much of it when I watched the beginning of the show. To me, Stargate IS the tv shows. The movie means little to me. To be honest, I am not interested in something that continues/reboots the original movie universe. What I love in Stargate are: Tok’ra, Goa’uld, and team – in that order.

  • The original Stargate was not like SG-1. They only carried over Ra and Skaara, and the names of O’Neill and Daniel, both of whom became much better characters than Kurt Russel and James Spader could portray. I watch Stargate SG-1/Atlantis/Universe episodes all the time. I watch the SG-1 movies every once in a while. I can’t remember the last time I sat through all of the original Stargate movie.

    I think the only reason we’re into the concept of a stargate is because the TV show made it so good. If we go back to a trilogy based on the original stargate… with a cowardly alien using children as his guards instead of Jaffa or Kull Warriors, I’m not interested.

  • Seeing all the comments on SGU… Stargate could have been saved if they weren’t experimenting with Stargate in SGU’s first season. Season 2 SGU got back to Stargate roots while keeping what’s unique about SGU. Season 2’s Blockade is a great example of Stargate, but came too late unfortunately.

    What is not a good example of Stargate, is the actual Stargate movie. As SG-1 shows time and time again, loyalty to a spinning ring is foolish. Loyalty to a team will carry you forward, and ignoring the TV show will sink a Stargate reboot.

  • “…Stargate is no longer in their control; it’s in the hands of executives who only know that (a) Stargate has a strong fan base, (b) Stargate has made MGM a lot of money over the years, but (c) Stargate on television seems to have been run into the ground and cancelled by its broadcaster due to steadily decreasing viewership over a 6-year period”

    Stargate has a strong fan base because the fans are fans of the TV show not the movie and the reason MGM made so much money from the franchise is because of loyal viewers of the TV show and I believe the ONLY reason all the TV shows lost their ratings and were eventually cancelled is because Sci-Fi moved the show from it’s perfect Friday night slot.

    If they made a whole new movie trilogy in sense a reboot of the whole story then they immediately lose all the fans of the TV show. Personally like most other fans who have grown up with Stargate I will go see the movies purely because it has the word “Stargate” in the title but if the movies don’t follow the TV show storyline then it will just feel like a Stargate rip-off and quite frankly be an insult to the TV show.

    MGM will earn and in fact save more money by investing in the TV show rather than movies. They should make 2-3 TV movies that wraps up SG1, SGA and SGU stories but at the end leaves an opening for a whole new Stargate series to kick off for the next generation (and us existing fans of course lol).

    Movies NO. TV yes.

  • I will never understand the SGU hate machine. The show had real drama, real tension and fantastic acting, especially by Robert Carlyle. I really can’t understand why people don’t like SGU. It boggles my mind. I love the quirky antics of O’Neill, Jackson, Sheppard & McKay as much as anyone. But it had been done, over and over again. SGU was a refreshing take on the franchise. Why not give the sci fi element a little realism? Why not have aliens on a show that don’t speak english for a change? Why not break away from the SG-1/SGA mold and do something other than away teams going on missions to visit other humans (in pacific northwestern-like forests)? And why not do it light years away for once? Seriously you guys. I can barely wrap my head around the distance of “several billion light years” from Earth. It’s just fantastic. I love all things Stargate. As bummed as I was to see SGA get canceled, SGU became my favorite of the three series. But all that said, I agree with Darren. A rebooted Stargate is better than no Stargate ever again. I just wish it was going to be on the Destiny.

  • @Darren – A grim realist indeed. I unfortunately have to agree with you.

    I have no interest in a Stargate reboot myself. I am an SG1 fan. I like Atlantis. However this is not about fandom, itas about making money. The James Bond reboot worked. The Batman reboot (Lord knows why) worked. The Star Trek reboot unfortunately, also worked, in all cases in spite of fans not because of them. = All made a ridiculous amount of money and spawned sequels as well as their own fan bases.(Most of the films in question had little to no character development, ropey storylines, repeated ideas and action sequences from the preboot productions,a HUGE media campaign from toys to bus stop posters and were even sold as “popcorn watch and forget” fodder. Only Bond has lived up to its expectations. As awful a thing it is, if Stargate is going to restart as a new production, it will have to restart as a new story. SG1s very strength of being in the here and now, became its own narrative obstruction, or perhaps more so to its sucessors.
    Here’s the non PR Entertainment exec perspective. – SG1 was completed with “Unending.” (Actually via the Ark Of Truth, Thanks to MGM and Bridge St.) It was making money, but getting to expensive to justify. Atlantis had a dreadful ending after wobbly network attitudes, and questions about ratings. Ie, they thought it was not making enough money. Universe never found its mainstream audience. It failed to make ANY money. One out of Three from an executive tv model perspective. Hence the whole production house getting canned. The original film (as banial as it is from a writing perspective) made a massive amount of money, in a much shorter space of time.

    If you want more Stargate, its restart time. Sad awful fact is, as crap as the Develin and Emmerich production model is, the other franchises above have demonstrated it works! Its the safe option for MGM to pursue, with no tv network tie in. Even if D and E are not the ones actually doing it.

    At least we SG1, SGA and UNI fans live in an era where DVD and Blueray give us control so we can watch Jack, Mitchell and Carter, Shep Weir and Beckett, or Eli et all if we choose, when we choose.

    Buck Rogers is finished. The X Files is finished. Babylon 5 is finished.

    Stargate SG1 is now, also finished.

  • I don’t think a reboot is a good idea. It’s not the Spiderman franchise which gets rebooted and nothing really changes. It has the same characters, the same plot lines, the same feeling.
    But the Stargate franchise is not the movie. It is what came after the movie. It’s not the spinning ring. It’s the mythology that Wright, Cooper, Mallozzi and the others have created. Emmerich has almost nothing to do with it.

    If these are the only two choices, I rather want no more Stargate ever. Not because of revenge or anger or something similar. I just don’t want the mythology I love to be thrown forever to the bin.
    A reboot would be like calling it B5, with a random space station, but without the Shadows, the Earth-Minbar war, the Narn-Centauri war, the Psy Corps, Valen, and so on. It would be like placing a horse sticker to a random car, and call it a Ferrari.

    It’s all about the mythology, which didn’t exist in the movie. They had to retcon a dozen things to kickstart the mythology. The movie had a really great concept, but nothing else.
    The show survived many character and plot change because of the one, cohesive, complex mythology. If they would do an alternate universe story, I would be happy. But eliminating the heart of the whole franchise is a big FAIL.

    I understand Darren’s explanation of the current situation in the film industry, but it’s not the right way. It’is the worst way ever. They should do a bigscreen trilogy with spinning circles and puddles inside, and call it Spaceportals. They would get a lot of money, the fans would have the mythology, everyone would be happy.
    Or they should follow the mythology, even with a time jump and/or completely new characters. MGM knows it’s all albout the marketing. If they think, the Stargate fandom is too small to carry a new movie, then they have to spend a lot of money on marketing. But if it’s not that small, the fandom will generate a big buzz on the internet (like SHIELD) and MGM has to spend less money. But if they reboot the whole franchise, they have no other option but to spend a lot to the marketing, if they want a blockbuster.

    So if we speak about Stargate, rebooting is a crime. The mythology has enough potential for even a movie trilogy. Just imagine those space battles we’ve seen on the big screen! With those strong scifi basics from the franchise, it could be a summer blockbuster in the right hands.

  • Gave us the new series episodes like universe atlantis sg1 plenty of story to tell. Or start kickstarter campaing to save this awesome show we will support it!!!

  • Just some food for thought, all this “rage aginst the man” to quote Sheppard is fruitless, and as Weir puts it at the “end of the Day” nothing really changes. One more tidbit of info, i truely believe that Hollywood and other Media Marketing entities are controlled by “Invastion of the Body snathers” in that Sci Fi has been all but uterly destroyed in all venues be that movies or television. And if i did not know have not seen the signs, its as if all science fiction is being eliminated so that the human race is being force feed mindless material to focus there attention away from actually using there minds. Again just some observations i have noticed over the last few years.

  • gene said: “The TV series made the franchise what it is, and to ignore that is very stupid on a staggering level.”

    hell yes!!

  • @kenna Thank you. I’m glad to hear a similar opinion out there. I agree with you on being completely baffled by SGU hate. SG1 is still my favorite but SGU was close behind. I loved the real drama and torment of the SGU crew. I loved that they were involved in something so different, mysterious, and special. SGA in the end was mindless and all of the focus was on Sheppard and McKay. I thought Sheppard was great but McKay was always better on SG1 than SGA. All of the other SGA characters became hollow shells or were written off the show. If I could get more of the old Stargate I would want to wrap up SGU. I know that is not going to happen though.

    In regard to this article I think a complete reboot is also the only option and agree with Darren. The Stargate that was popular for 14 years is gone. Time for something new with the Stargate concept at it’s core to get things going again.

  • I can´t imagine seeing Stargate in the cinema without Teal´c, Sam and some ancient technology going berserk (man, I would go to see Lost City on the big screen any day of the week).

    But as many of you are saying, and I agree, there is no chance that we will ever see SG-1/A/U ever again. But really, if I would have to choose between Stargate II without humor and almost everything that I love about stargate (not even the mountain would be the same) and nothing, I would probably choose nothing.
    Or something with puppets, that almost always works :)

    As for rebooting the franchise. Can anyone imagine seeing somebody other than RDA as Jack O´Neill? Different Samantha Carter? Completely different mythology, universe, rules? Star Trek reboots were mentioned, but those two movies aren´t reboots. Someone just took the name Star Trek, came up with plot, that makes no sense and instead of exploration and peaceful coexistence, they just shoot everything they see and ignore rules and regulations for no reason (cadet-> disgraced cadet-> first officer flagship -> captain flagship -> marooned on the ice planet…). Just ridiculous. And I´m not talking about them being able to travel across the galaxy in minutes, that still amazes the hell out of me, Picard would have been proud. I should probably get back to the point I was trying to make, which was, that if the writers and producers of these movies, that take place in the same universe as Enterprise (if nothing else) can do this to the franchise and it´s universe (and that franchise is stronger and older than stargate), I don´t even want to imagine what would happen with stargate.

    Ok, so I think we should get that Wormhole X-Treme movie now, right ? :)

  • Okay, let’s deal with this challenge.

    1) I’ve drawn up a concept for a new “reboot” Stargate series. Five seasons, telling one underlying story.

    2) I do NOT have the credibility with the major studios to promote this at present.

    3) My past background suggests I may have a way, after the first round of money is raised, to finance the entire series, all 100+ episodes, using new business and economic models (I spent over a decade in finance and created some unique business models to reduce risk in business transactions).

    4) To obtain the credibility in the next couple of years for the story concept I will be launching and promoting a news film series, initially to raise money through Kickstarter for a script and graphic art novel. (Nothing to do with Stargate, just a regular “Alien”-style series of fifteen films.)

    5) Prospective theme of the Stargate series is a kind of “Next Generation” but without glossy teenagers. This is NOT “Stargate High”, or the current rebooted “Star Trek High”. And the spaceships are not glossy white “iShips”(TM). The underlying story is gritty, with that beautiful touch of real-world black humour well-known amongst many in the military. The story unfolds through a mixture of one main storyline and a sequence of more regular adventures.

    6) It is NOT about a new SG-1, there is no attempt to replicate the adventures of the huge DVD box set sat on my shelf just behind me as I write this. :-) These are “the other guys” the SG team you never really hear off, the ones who appear to have the boring jobs and travels to the dull sectors of space… until they discover something terrible, something monstrous, something that they have to keep a secret from the rest of Stargate Command and resolve on their own, with a small army of supporters, to save the world…

    but more of that later.

    If you want to learn more about my current plans and writing let me know.

  • There is no equally successful concept, other than Stargate. It can not be denied. Therefore, all other arguments are meaningless. It is very good that there is no indifferent fans. But the disagreement between us, only harms those who have the ability and desire to continue the franchise. Stay positive.

  • I Loved SG-1. I liked SGA. And I meh/hey this is good/I love this SGU.

    The concept of there being a portal for instant travel to another planet/galaxy, etc… it doesn’t suit being solely a movie or movie franchise. That’s why MGM took it to TV instead.
    And on TV, it broke records. Or one record – it ran longer than the X-Files, while in the same year, just later, Smallville then broke that same record (most episodes).
    and don’t forget, for three years, SG-1 was being produced alongside SG-A… by the same team, I think. going from 22 episodes to produce to forty, almost double, with doing it in pairs? I liked season 8, and loved a lot of season 9 and 10. As for SG-A, well… let me put it this way: every so often, I’ve gone and rewatched a couple episodes of SG-1 here and there, have a marathon when I’ve got a few days going spare. I haven’t done that with SG-A. But I did with SGU… SGU Season 2.

    It has been said that SGU suffered for having experimented in season 1. And when it stabilised in it’s viewership… it got pushed to the tuesday death slot.

    Before going ahead with anything, Executives must look at why the franchise was alongside James Bond as one of MGM’s hottest franchises… and why it failed. And I dont just mean SGU’s experiments, or Shyte-Wrestling changing it’s airing slot.

    On the one hand, the film made its money back plus change, which is a miracle for a niche film, so making a mainstream blockbuster stargate should therefore mean big bucks?

    Here’s the thing: while that’s what happened with Star Trek, it’s a different situation from star Trek. Trek began with a show that was cancelled, Fan reaction got the first movie which was okay, but still star trek, a continuation, and then that got a continuation, (TWOK), which had a cliffhanger to resolve hence the middling third, then fourth, and at that point, the paramount was saying, you know what, we’ll go back to tv show because now it makes sense, but it didn’t make financial sense to make it a Kirk-Crew show. story wise, they could still stay as a movie lot… but to avoid ‘playing in the same pool at the same time’ they made TNG, well, ‘the next generation’ ahead. it made many kinds of sense. and TNG did so well that when the TOS crew were getting, well, too old to play their roles, convincingly/otherwise, it was decided for the D to get a movie.
    Then, while two other shows were made (Star Trek, Deep Babylon Five I mean Deep Space Nine, and Lost In Sp-Voyager I mean, Voyager.) TNG had a good run of movies. I liked First contact, but honestly, loved Insurrection. (yes there’s numerous problems but by god I loved it because it was less the wannabe-blockbuster that FC was and more the trek they used to be… even with the corrupt admiral. Hell as cracked pointed out, most admirals on the show are corrupt/evil). Nemesis came after both of those shows had ended, and how those shows ended pretty much meant that movies on those would be “one or two characters from the show in the movie with all-new cast” shows, which doesn’t make sense for a trek movie as it has never really been about building a crew, but about an *established crew*.

    The reboot… well… it went as I expected after hearing it would be set “in the crew’s academy days”. we know from Red Squad’s appearances, largely by implication, that academy cadets generally did not go on actual starships, as *its crew*. one or two to a ship as a sixth-month hands-on apprenticeship makes sense… but not a crew of cadets as in the film… and we got what I thought it would be. It’s not trek. It’s worse. It’s Mainstream, alongside *transformers* **shudder**.

    The movies worked because they were Star Trek FOR Star Trek. I loved the TOS movies. And here’s the rub: I had never really seen the show. glimpses, clips and stuff from the Encyclopedia CD-Rom (Yes, I have both the book *and* the CD-ROM.) They worked on the two levels where, if you saw the show then *brilliant*, but you didn’t need to to get the general mythos (it was as simple as it gets: we’re in the future exploring space)

    Star Trek died because of one reason. Nemesis.

    the reboot isn’t trek. for one thing, despite the attempt, not many trek fans liked it. And I discount those who say they both liked and hated it, because they just cancelled out their vote. But lots of people did like it – they just aren’t trek fans. That’s because they went mainstream. Yes to me, Star Trek shows and the first nine movies aren’t main stream, the movies were made for fans, because they were made when being into scifi was not ‘cool’.

    and sorry, but the reboot was such a huge success because of those fans who took non-trekkie friends to go watch, and word of mouth…. in the age of twitter, a poster on every bus and bus stop doesn’t cut it. we’re used to seeing posters for movies that are rubbish whichever way you take it, so a poster for a star trek movie being advertised for release in a few weeks in an age where everyone accepts that star trek *is made for trekkies*, wouldn’t get the draw it did. it was all on the few who werent trekkies being dragged along by their trekkie friend, and in 8 times out of ten, having a flipped opinion on how good it was, and telling others. My sister who hates star trek with a passion liked it. She was dragged by a friend to go see it who did like it who likewise had been dragged. Then I saw it. I didn’t like it.

    With Stargate…the managers need to look deeper than just ‘will this make money’, that way, they can be surer about whether or not that path will indeed make money.

    If they want to replicate the success, they must tick the following boxes: Marketing so that those fans of the show who dont follow gateworld will become aware of a coming stargate show. Make it so that those fans, after checking said website, doesn’t get the impression that the reboot will ignore what it’s a reboot of. and in the mind of fans, that ‘of’ is the show. hell, how many fans are there that are fans of the show, dont check here, and never even heard of there being a stargate movie?

    Because lets be frank, how else are they going to draw in the numbers they’d need to make back however much they’ll to have spent on a movie, and its marketing? They need the fans to see it, and in this day and age, I’m not the only one who, ah, ‘tries’ before buying, and I dont mean tries in the form of cinema, the buy is in the form of watching at the cinema. I show appreciation for good movies that way. And only word of mouth gets me to watch one at the cinema without unsaid form of trying. That is me voting with my money, and unfortunately, paying to watch a movie before you even know it is good as a good chunk of moviegoers do, is a big sign to hollywood that x many people liked it. simply seeing the movie picks a tick in the yes column. And when was the last time you got a refund? I walked out from one movie and they wouldn’t give me a refund, because “you paid to see a movie. liking it had nothing to do with it”.

    Bring in the fans, and you’ll start to bring in more people once word comes from the thought-they-were-unfortunate-at-first people who got dragged along that it’s good. Or it’s a flop which, well… yeah.

    huh that ran away from me there.

  • I can understand a movie proposal and moving away from existing characters. I’ve followed Stargate from the beginning. I love the world, the mythology, the characters, really everything about the franchise. As much as I adore the existing characters. I do not agree with a reboot. I believe a movie that expands the existing universe established by the shows, if executed correctly can draw in fresh audiences while maintaining the franchise universe that has been so amazingly developed over the years. Personally, I think its way too soon for a complete reboot, I personally can’t see myself watching a retelling of a franchise so well expanded.

    SGU was not successful in my opinion not because it was a new show with new characters but because the changes the writers did, did not honor the core of the franchise. Stargate has always had a unique tone to it, the characters are engaging,and fun. SGU’s characters did not succeed in attracting audiences. I honestly ended up hating most of them and then wondering at the logic of some of their motivations. Drastic changes that ignore an existing universe will always turn away fans, its the drawback of a franchise.

    I don’t want to see Stargate die off, but there needs to be more forethought on how to handle a movie than simply disregarding existing canon for the sake of a reboot on a franchise that is only about 17 years old. This isn’t Star Wars, or Star Trek which have literally decades of history and have crossed audiences into new generations. In comparison Stargate is very young for a franchise and still has so much more to give in its present canon.

  • I wouldn’t mind seeing Devlin’s original vision come to fruition it’s not going to change the 17 yrs of Stargate everyone loves, that will always be there and I hope someday continued. Just think of this new Stargate as an vastly alternate universe of Stargate SG-1, SGA, SGU. It would be cool if Devlin at least gave a nod to the series…like have his version of O’Neil make a joke about spelling his name with ONE L.

  • tbh, I’m a fan first and foremost of the world created through SG1 and SGA, and not simply the concept of the Stargate device itself. I’m not completely oppossed to a reboot, but I’d rather let the franchise die and RIP than let Devlin/Emmerich get their hands on it again. Their previous work just makes me think the movies will be bad, and it will soil the memory of SG1 (not mine but society’s), and ofc they won’t use any SG1/SGA material.

  • Why are you so angry at Devlin and Emmerich? These people can revive Stargate! We all have ups and downs. But the return of the franchise outweighs any arguments! And you do not give them a chance to prove that they are able to do this? I find it very strange.

  • Darren, I am with you on this reboot thing… up to a point. As I’ve said earlier on another thread dealing with Emmerich, I find the idea of a Stargate reboot/restart quite intriguing.

    I, too, am what you’d call a ‘franchise fan’… but, I have accepted the fact that it is a new era over at MGM, and the new studio bean-counters are only interested in one thing: What Will Make Us Piles of Money. So, I agree with you that a reboot may be the very (and only) thing that pulls Stargate out of a fast-approaching obsolescence.

    That SAID, I still feel that Devlin/Emmerich’s proposed treatment is not the answer, while at the same time I believe that Wright and his SGU (Season 1) partners are too close the near-burn down of the franchise to make themselves worthy of a reboot by themselves.

    As another poster said earlier in this thread: There has to be someone out there (sans the people listed in the above) smart enough and creative enough to take all that has been established in the past 17 years of Stargate (including the original movie!) and meld it into… well, SOMETHING.

    Look: some “smart” person(s) was able to come up with an earlier time in Star Trek history (SF Academy), meld Spock Prime from ‘our’ canon’s timeline with the ‘new’ Spock– without destroying along-established history of Trek fandom– and still made a damned good movie that made lots and lots of cash for Paramount.

    You mean to tell me that such a person (or persons) cannot be found to reboot Stargate in the same vein? Do we really have to start from scratch all over again (or let the original movie guys re-take it over) in order to ‘save’ Stargate..?

  • Darren, your points are valid and certainly make sense from the “grim realism” point of view, but one can also look at it as the final nail in the coffin.

    There’s no way the Stargate reboot would make as much money as the Trek reboot, first of all, and disappointing box office results would eliminate any possibility of a future SG TV series, but even if it is a success, Devlin/Emmerich would disavow everything that ever happened in the series. I suspect they’ve probably never even watched it.

    While the Star Trek reboot was disappointing in the way that it’s flavor is decidedly un-Trek, at least the reboot was done in an innovative way that explains the reboot within the framework of the original series (i.e. creating a new timeline as a result of temporal interference) which allows for the future possibility of some sort of interaction with the original timeline, or at the very least, leaves us interested to learn how the events that are taking place in the new timeline will affect the “generations” to come (sort of like the season 3 TNG episode “Yesterday’s Enterprise”).

    So as much as I would have preferred a new Trek series taking place where Voyager left off, I’m willing to watch the movies and am hopeful for another series further down the line.

    Will I go to see a new Devlin/Emmerich SG film? Probably. But I’m not as enthusiastic about it as Darren and am fairly certain I’ll be one of the obnoxious guys in the theater complaining all the way through.

  • I just hope it will countinue a story,i hope it will not just jump out some new story that cant’t be linked with anything…

  • I think a reboot could be ok…. But not going back to the start. I would suggest a reboot more like Star Trek renegades is doing….going ahead into the future. Maybe a storyline after the stargate was revealed and after some major events had happened….. Or a look back on the history of the stargaze reveal and how the planet dealt with that… Various governments, etc. how did other planets respond….just seems like a mistake to rewrite everything that made the franchise so popular in the first place. Even star trek kept the characters the same in their reboot, just a different spin on them. A continuation of the original movie would tear that apart.

  • It’s true, maybe a new director can give a new fresh look to the concept. In the 1st episode of SGU its painfully to see how they talk about the SG-1 in 5 minutes at superspeed like we already know everything. For me, a fan, its fine, but to engage new people into the series was awfull. I know they wanted to engage new people with a “Lost” style of storytelling but they screw up there.

  • So, a new director, writers etc its needed, ones that are bold enought to do a reebot ala Star-trek and make us like new characters, unknown actors in 30 minutes. I’m thinking Luc besson for example, beautifull scenery, or someone used to sci-fi but that knows how not to bore the average non-geeky person. (althought i love the techical talk, rodney mckay etc. it just doesn’t work on a movie.)

  • canumasu: you said it, they can just start the movie with some intriguing event-change in egypt many years ago that alters the whole timeline, and makes that, for example, the Stargate is not found until, for example, 2050. So now we got a completely different saga, not in the present with new characters in a slightly futuristic world.

  • Remake the original movie, then move the same cast into an epic-scale budget series…MS and RDA should’ve been in the movie… sorry Kurt, we all liked smartass O’neill better than Hardass O’neill… if they do a remake of SG-1, can i play Daniel Jackson? i have a passion for metaphysics and an hyper-analytical adaptivity similar to the one that Daniel has that keeps him fascinated by the grander scope of things.

  • and add in more missions into the series… bring back our favorites for more in depth plot lines featuring the likes of the Goa’uld, the Nox, the SG1 androids and so on, hell we never saw the furlings… also an epic idea that i thought of while watching atlantis was that due to the time space mix ups and newer technologies, there would have been quite alot going on back at the SGU, maybe O’neill hand picked a new SG-1, maybe one of them is a Wraith Scientist? (and why didn’t the ancients ever roll up in their time space ships from the past… that seemed really likely)i was recently watching some special features on an “atlantis” DVD and when Joe Flannigan described “atlantis” as “sexier” in comparison to SG-1, i instantly thought that i’d love to see SG-1 with that “mass effect” style “epic space” element that “atlantis” captured perfectly

  • Darren: Superb, well thought out and right on the money with this article. It’s not about describing what you (or anyone else) *wants* but about how the system works and what is *likely* to happen. There are many sad truths in here, but they are truths. Nice job.

    FWIW, the purpose of making a movie would IMHO have nothing to do with ‘saving’ SG, and everything to do with giving a studio a potential new line of profit.

  • Darren

    Thanks, Laurence — you’re exactly right that, at least for this piece, what I’m on about is not what I would most like to see but about what I think is currently the most realistic path to having Stargate back, in some form.

    But I fully recognize that this particular “form” just won’t be Stargate to a lot of people. And if MGM greenlights the project, it would come with some significant risks with regard to the fan base and long-term stability of the franchise — particularly if the studio has any designs on getting it back onto television.

  • I’ve been reading both this thread and the “Emmerich Still Working Toward Stargate Movie ‘Reboot’ thread and decided to post my thoughts in this thread (hope this is okay – some of my comments draw on the other thread too. Sorry).

    Fortunately, PickTV here in the UK recently showed Stargate Universe (twice) then the entirety of SG-1 (including the two movies) and is now showing Atlantis (all available free as well). Because of this, I’ve been able to catch up with the last two series of SG-1 which I missed when they stopped being on “free” TV here, and the same with Atlantis (and Universe). I’ve been delighted to find the episodes (both those I have seen before and those I missed) great fun, entertaining, varied, full of ideas etc.

    Setting aside studio-politics and so on, it’s not too easy to envisage what would make a successful “reboot”. While, personally, I’d have liked to see a few movies that “wrapped up” “Atlantis” and “Universe” (in the same way SG1 was completed), a reboot suggests, to be anyway, a new incarnation based on the previous material but going in a completely new direction (with new characters, new threats etc). So, a successful reboot would have to achieve the near impossible: stay true to the original, satisfy the fanbase, attract new viewers, work for people who have never seen Stargate, and, obviously, be darn good too and added something new!!! It’s a wonderful challenge for a writer.

    I suppose the easiest solution would be simply to pretend none of the TV episodes had ever happened (perhaps even pretend the original film had never happened) and start all over again with no references to the previous series and the original film.

    The “Star Trek” reboot was a very clever way of getting round the problem. Simply keep popular characters and put them in an alternative time-line. Personally, I wouldn’t like to see this approach with Stargate.

    The “Doctor Who” reboot, which has been such a success, wasn’t really a reboot as such, more a relaunch – better special effects, a change from four or six-parter TV episodes to longer, (generally) self-contained episodes. I’d prefer a completely new Stargate series to a film, but that’s just me!

    If the approach (for new movies) were taken to follow on from SG-1, Atlantis and Universe, then it’s unlikely many of the actors from those incarnations would be available.

    So, to answer the question “Can a movie reboot save Stargate”? Yes, but it would have to be brilliant to satisfy everyone and I find it very difficult to come up with an idea that would do that!

    Off topic, but Darren mentioned Babylon 5 in his piece. No repeats here in the UK either. Disappeared without a trace.

  • My opinion is that if they want to start over they should literately go to the beginning. That being star with the Alterrens deciding to leave the Ori Galaxy and eventually leaving the Milky-way for Pegasus. This would naturally include the construction of the first Stargates and the launch of the Destiny.

    While I accept that this probably will not happen it would not destroy the current cannon and would allow for a new beginning.

    Additionally setting it in the ridiculous future would be an option I could accept. For example It could open with The descendants of the Destiny’s crew who are determined to complete the ship’s mission as they have accepted that as there fate. It could also include the further adventures of a new SG-1 who’s members are comprised of representatives of the worlds that Earth has an alliance with (A UFP if you will). This could also be useful for the fate of the Atlantis as well for an expanded version of the Coalition that was spoken if in SGA season 5. This whole idea in my mind would probably work as a mini-series with at least two episodes dedicated to each.

    Those are at least my thoughts and I accept that neither is likely to happen.

    I would be open to the idea of a new stargate as long as it does not ignore what has been established. I could go with alternate reality like the new Star Treks, however there are many things I have against that Universe the Enterprise Herself is only the beginning of my list. That however is a discussion and rant for another time.

  • Hey Darren,

    I read your entire article and a good amount of the comments. My thoughts are similar to others. I like you and many here like the Stargate in terms of the exploration. But I also love the canon story. My fear is that if Emmerich, who has openly (and on numerous occasions) mentioned his VAST dislike for the tv franchise. And from what he has said if he gets to make new movies he’ll ignore everything we LOVED about the franchise and make a very bad movie (basing this on his recent movies that all sucked IMHO).

    Somebody mentioned that Joseph Mallozzi’s idea to have a new series in canon that might not star anyone we’re familiar with but maybe they would guest star (Like RDA, Amanda Tapping, and Michael Shanks did in SGU and SGA??). I missed Joe’s post about this myself (can anyone link me to it?). But I must say that if I had any say in which option to go for (as MGM) I’d pick the cheaper option (tv show) and the one with the best chance to both hold the long term fans (who have money to spend) AND get new viewers. They tried this with SGU and it didn’t work out. But if they try again paying attention to what has done best on Syfy lately (Stargate SG1 and SGA, Eureka, Warehouse 13) which all have a similar feel in tone, serious drama but they know how to have a sense of humor. This is also why Marvel is having so much success with their Avengers movie series. Emmerich’s last movie (White House Down) was a financial flop, in the studio’s mind they want movies to make profit in the US alone let alone global. It cost 150 million, add on 30-50 million for marketing and its 200 million, then keep in mind the theater gets about 1/3 of the box office and it would have to have made 300 million world wide just to break even. It made just 75 million domestic and 185 million global. It was not successful. Before that he made Anonymous with a budget of 30 million. Globally it made just 15 million. And not to mention that ID Forever is already tracking to do poorly.

    I’m honestly surprised that MGM would even consider giving him money to make a movie with both of his last 2 films being financial flops.

    As I said I’d prefer to see Mallozzi’s idea take shape. but really I’m fine with anything new in Stargate as long as it doesn’t completely negate ALL 314 episodes in the franchise. Keep building upon it. I recently saw that RDA will be appearing at emerald City Comicon in 2014, as soon as I saw his name I bought my ticket because it was thanks to him ad the rest of the actors in the series (plus the writing) that I love the Stargate franchise which remains my favorite scifi tv franchise to date.

    some would say “who cares if they remake or reboot because if its good you have something new to add to your collection and if it sucks you still have the old one to go back to” In the case of movies I tend to agree with that (batman, spider-man, etc). But in the case of a 15 season, 2 movie/14 year run tv franchise, I do not agree.. In the case of something like stargate I agree with others who feel that if the movie sucks and flops it will completely kill the franchise.

    Also, last march at ECCC at the “Through the Stargate” panel with Michael Shanks, Lexa Doig, and Paul McGillion (with a surprise guest being Alexis Cruz) someone asked them what they new of the future of the franchise. They all said that if MGM decided to move forward and make more movies or a new series and wanted them in it that they would do it in a heartbeat. ALSO, Michael pointed out that for now we do get the new video game app, and he mentioned that if it did well that there would most likely be more of it and I seem to remember him saying that there are still talks going on there about how to move forward with the franchise in the best way to make the most profits but also keep the fans happy.

    Sorry for long comment, had a lot to say on this topic.

  • Yes, you’re right. Recent movies from Emmerich is financial failure. What about his first movie Stargate? I’m not going to explore his psychological state. But maybe he decided to return to the beginning? If that’s the case, I would give him a chance.

  • As a studio executive I would have trouble green lighting anything if he was at the helm. When a director has 2 flops in a row it makes it less likely they’ll get to make another movie. Look at what has happened to M Night Shyamalan. He is at the point where if a studio even gives him money they won’t be willing to advertise that he is attached to it, did you see any promos for After Earth mentioning him?? No, because as poor as it performed, it would have done even worse if it had. And after that film it ill be incredibly unlikely that he’ll be given money to make another movie. Look at what has happened to Jerry Bruckheimer, after the flop that was Lone Ranger (personally I actually enjoyed that movie), he and Disney have announced that after Pirates of the Caribbean 5 and National Treasure 3, they will be parting ways. Look at John Carter, It flopped and the studio exec was fired for it. If ID forever fops I think it might be the end of Emmerich’s career. Also of note is that many stargate fans liked the series WAY more then they liked his original film.

  • Nnh— I don’t really know what to feel about this.

    I do think that, regardless of what happens with this reboot talk, Stargate as we know it is dead. It just is not going to get revived— because there are two outcomes here.

    Either, the reboot doesn’t happen, nothing changes, and Stargate sinks further into obscurity—

    —Or, we get a reboot from someone who not only dislikes the series, but has gone out of his way to let us know how distasteful he finds it; he would not only remake the franchise, but do everything he could to distance it from the series.

    And from there we either get: no success, which again leads to a dead franchise, or enough success to continue the franchise in the utterly opposite direction of where this fan base wants it.

    Now this is nothing like Star Trek (though, disclaimer, I am in the apparent minority of actually enjoying the reboot). Yes, it’s very different but the way that universe works was not completely re-written. You still have the Federation, Starfleet, all the various races, etc— all the mythology. Say what you will, but ST Reboot pays a lot of homage to said mythology, and more importantly: even if people don’t enjoy these rebooted movies, it does open the door for more TV series that follow from that mythology.

    So… I don’t know. A rebooted franchise is pretty much going to be nothing but a big spinny ring that goes to another planet, with the possibility of some characters with the same names. (Frankly I’d prefer they drop Jack and Daniel’s characters from the reboot entirely, if it happens.) It’d be like rebooting Star Wars except now it’s set on Earth and it’s a modern day crime drama and the Jedi are actually angels and Luke and Leia end up getting married because screw you they’re not actually related.

    Mostly, I just feel like… they’d be banking on the name-recognition factor and the fact that most of the fan base would probably go see the first reboot in desperate hopes of seeing something familiar…after all, if you see it and hate it, you still purchased a ticket and have contributed to its commercial success.

    I’d have to say… I’d really just prefer to leave the franchise as it is. I’d rather let it fade out than just get lip-service and be expected to like it.

  • Perhaps this is the end, then. No where to go, no one to fight, nothing to see. However, the whole point of Star Gate is that here is always something else out there!!! Perhaps it will never be on TV anwed again, but it lives on in our imaginations!

  • That was incredibly well written darren and like all Stargate fans I sigh at the loss of so many stories untold from a franchise that in my opinion made one big wrong turn when they let they let go of Dr. Weir and Col. Carter. I think about the infinatus thing, was that what Destiny was heading toward?, I wonder how Adria’s evil nature was influenced by K’tesh genetic memories. I wonder if Rhona Metre was a G’auld aboard Destiny waiting to revive. Who were those beings that assisted Destiny? Escaped Ori? Were Dr. Weir and those replicators placed in orbit above Athars world? Did the Ancients use symbiotes to preserve their knowledge while dying off from the Ori plague? Did they indirectly create the G’auld same as the Wraith, Maybe Todd Ascended and came back to give the wraith meaning being who and what they were. What does an ascended Tokra look Like, and is Thor Really dead? Did Jolinars memories and all that downloaded ancient knowledge give replicator Carter the tiniest spark to survive on and return one day to storm the gates of Heaven itself? Did those Ancients really die from the Return to Atlantis? Did the Ori Ascend their followers in the beginning and thus corrupt themselves as surely as many an Ancient Science Experiment gone wrong with as many lasting consequences. Science and Spirituality what’s the right way? Why couldn’t it all have ended with a nice peaceful university in Atlantis with all the new races, a second age of peace like once known between the Nox, Furling, Ancients and Asgard.
    Well weall have our fun fantasies.

    Now you speak of a Devlin reboot Trilogy. Well that’s interesting. Movie execs aren’t incredibly bright people “reboot” and “trilogy” scream Dark Knight and Lord of the Rings $$$ signs. So yes there’s cause for alarm. X-Men was forced into a trilogy by some fool at Fox, and whatever’s is guiding Hobbit into 3 films .I doubt was a decision made lightly by Peter and Fran. Rebooting Batman made sense, the films grew as the character grew, Frank Miller wasn’t thinking Adam West when he came up with the name “Dark Knight” Spider-Man. Why? Cause it’s “the Amazing”? well. ok. But how Warner can POSSIBLY be stalling a JLA or Wonder Woman film after Marvel’s done so much with less familiar characters astounds me. Wanda Maximoff is gonna grace the Silver Screen before Diana Prince WOW. And most frightening of all, are all these $200 million dollar sci fi extra dark disasters Prometheus, Oblivion, AfterEarth, Elysium and if it must be told…Avatar’s story wasn’t what drew everybody into the theater. Alien and Predator are enough to be scared of. And yes, please someone reboot Anne Rice’s Vampire Chronicles, Brad and Tom are going gray. her Mummy tale would make a great one off.

    So where does that leave Stargate? Well Hope exists. Who doesn’t absolutely love the fact that Lou Ferigno is the voice of the Hulk in Avengers? Better yet Spock in both new Trek films? BRILLIANT. Whose to say the enterprise might not happen upon a DS-9 under construction and find Q and Guinan dueling over a chess board in Quarks new lounge, shaking their heads at this brave new reality (maybe they’ll even suggest realities can combine again after pulling apart!) Bryan Singer is healing the X-Men’s disastrous direction with Days of Future Past. Peter Jackson’s gonna show us the Three Elven rings against the Dark Lord’s One in Hobbit, If he does anywhere near as a good a job as he did with Arwen adapting from the Lord of the Rings Appendices that is gonna be something to see. In Stargate terms who didn’t just LIVE for the episode where Jack made a wrong turn down that hallway?

    My point is there are people in Hollywood that get it. That really get it. Peter Jackson, Joss Wheton, JJ Abrams, Del Toro…Kenneth Branagh directing Thor, that was GREAT. I’m more saddened by your comments about B5 on the discount shelf. That is sad. But B5 really ended it when the Vorlons went beyond the rim to play tiddlywinks with the Shadows and Lorien, Once Lyta woke those telepaths up over Mars…it was pretty much over. The TV films a standing ovation for a terrific ground breaking arc based series.

    Stargate Deserves better and I think it will get it. If Singer can promise us a Battlestar Galacitca that will do both series justice. I’m ready and open and believe he will do it. New Stargate films with so much content behind them might be a harder climb to make everyone happy. But it can be done. I hated Stargate Universe but that one moment when Jack made that wrong turn had me tune in for every episode. They’ll give us that at least, or something like that. More to the point they’ll give us what made Stargate so stand out, Sci fi in present day drawing on a mythological past. Star Wars meets Indiana Jones. If they don’t it won’t be Stargate and it won’t make it past movie #1. The new Stars Wars movies, they will help tug those old fart movie execs the right way and put it in the hands of a story teller that enjoyed reading Gateworld as much as watching the show itself.

    thanks for the insight.

    – Michael

  • I miss all of the Stargate shows (except Infinity). I’d be shocked (but very pleased) if Stargate came back in any form outside of a reboot. If that’s what it takes to get back Stargate I will gladly buy a ticket.

  • I think your “grim realism” is indeed a grim fact. I too am a fan of the concept. Yes, I love many of the characters and would love to see them again. Probably isn’t going to happen. But we can have more Stargate adventure if the movie reboot were to come off and be well done. Perhaps a trilogy of Stargate movies would spawn an all new television show. Just think! New characters to love. New adventure in a “universe” we already love. Ahh, the possibilities.

  • I agree with your article. Even though I’m afreid of stargate triology which has no connection to the stargate universe build over the years i’ll reader see any new stargate than none. but i must say if mgm would create any new stargate movie\serial i would have run to watch it.

  • Whilst I agree with Darren’s grim realism here. I Still think if one of us went to mgm and said heres $10 million dollars, chuck some money in and we will co fund a dvd finale.

    All that need to happen is for one of us to win the lottery ;)

  • I miss stargate in every form it was in. i originally wasn’t fust on SGU however since watching it again I have come to enjoy the show and would love more. I would also like as i’m sure other fans would, a movie or series for both sg-1 and sg atlantis. (maybe a cross over movie is the answer)

  • If my name was Bill Gates, I would buy MGM and would make them to continue everything related to Stargate … indefinitely … Even if the viewer will be only me.

  • I am a fan of the original movie and SG-1, SGA, and SGU… however, Continuum and Ark, although good at tying up some loose ends didn’t do much for me. I felt that Ark was especially bad in that it just wanted to put an end to the Ori’s forces so they could move on to something else.

    SG1 deserved better. Atlantis had a weak ending that wasn’t supposed to be the end and SGU, well, you all know.

    I think a reboot would be a hard sale if you wanted to use it as a continuation of the series. It would essentially need to be a complete remake.

    As for the series, I look to Battlestar Galactica for hope – give it a few years and maybe someone will come along and revive it with a complete redo, using the same world. For me, that would be the ultimate.

    New SG-1 without the filler – give me 5 years of go’uld and replicators + some ancient backstory and that would be better than a movie.

  • Another thought just hit me on a SG remake/reboot movie… if they were to roughly redo the first movie, the special effects, which were relatively minimal, would be insanely cheap today.
    They would probably greenscreen many of the desert settings/pyramids/etc and doing that today is also much cheaper.
    I guess my point is that a remake doesn’t have to cost $100 million if done well.

  • I appeal to Mr. William Gates. I beg you to help MGM to make a decision to continue the Stargate. Make them an offer they can not refuse.
    With best regards: Stargate fans.

  • One of the main fears that I see again and again on this thread is the loss of the show’s mythology. Some have mentioned it being buried forever. It won’t be.

    My observation is that mythology is never lost. Canon may be lost, but mythology never is.

    An example of this is the Superman franchise. It was rebooted in the 1980s and again two years ago in the comics. It was rebooted in the Christopher Reeve movies, in Lois & Clark, in the Animated Series, in Smallville, etc. It’s rebooted so often, in one way or another, fans hardly notice anymore.

    But each new incarnation of Superman draws from the past, to varying degrees, EVEN IF THEY DON’T MEAN TO. The 1980s “modern age” comics kept making inadvertent references to the old continuity. Finally, years later, elements from the old “silver age” stories were reintroduced to the continuity. The movies, which start fresh, also draw from the old and new comics mythology.

    How does this translate to Stargate? Well, some here have pointed out that forgetting the old mythology would mean no DHDs, no Carter, no Asgard or Replicators, etc. That may be true, at least at first, but imagine this.

    So the film trilogy succeeds, and in conjunction with the third movie a TV series is released. The new series is completely based on the new movie’s canon. The show succeeds, like SG-1 did, and unlike the movies it has to build a strong mythology to survive.

    To build this mythology, the show’s writers spend a lot of time thinking, reading, etc. Among other things, some of them are aware of elements from the old SG canon (via fan comments if nothing else) and will incorporate a few, unconsciously if nothing else. In one episode, it may be most convenient to write a reference to a DHD (easier than thinking up a new name).

    Over time, if a few more spin-offs appear and writers come and go, they’ll feel more free to draw from the original Stargate mythology. Devlin’s intention right now is irrelevant, just like it’s irrelevant now that the comics creators of Superman in the 80s hoped to forget most of Superman’s mythology (No Supergirl, new version of Krypton, etc). The mythology, if it’s strong, finds ways to seep back in.

    As long as there’s a franchise for it to seep back into.

    Personally, I have grown attached to the mythology they’ve been building all this time and I’d rather not have to start from scratch. However, like Darren, I’m a franchise fan. I like the movie, I like the three series, I even like Infinity (though in a very different way than the other series). I like the concept.

    Stargate has abandoned mythology before. When SG-1 started, a whole developing mythology of comics and novels was abandoned. The mythology introduced in Infinity was also abandoned. It’s bound to happen again — another reboot — except that all the important things in the mythology will eventually come back.

    Therefore, Darren is absolutely right, the reboot is nothing but a good thing. If it gets the gate spinning, that’s all that matters.

  • Oh, and I also feel I should defend SGU a bit. I understand the criticism of it. It is kinda slow at first, and also it is very, VERY different than the other two shows. SGA very closely emulates SG1 in tone and pace, while SGU does not.

    However I happen to think that’s a good thing. I think it’s good that the creators were able to try looking at the Stargate concept in a new way.

    SGU had plenty of good science fiction concepts and was the first series to have a truly cosmological scale. The idea of evidence of artificiality turning up in the Cosmic Microwave Background radiation is great. Being a physics student I find that sort of large-scale cosmological stuff that incorporates real scientific concepts to be really cool.

    SG1 and SGA can be extremely fun in ways that SGU isn’t always. However, sometimes it does feel more like an action show than a sci-fi. The Goa’uld are kind of silly (the flashy eye thing is a bit much) and all too often it looked and felt more like medieval fantasy. I think a lot of that comes from budget constraints at the time, though I’m sure they still would have done some of those shows even with unlimited budget.

    It is a great mythology, with great characters and great races, etc. but I do think it was important when they made SGU to try and make a more realistic Stargate, and I think it still is.

    SGU did new things with Stargate and I think it gave us some really great stories and characters, and a fascinating new corner of that universe. It shows us that the SG Universe is not all evil alien parasites dominating entire galaxies — there’s more going on out there.

  • So I realize I am a little late to this conversation but life is always in the way.

    There are a few points being brought up a lot and discussed but are not actually said in the article or by emmerich.

    Yes Emmerich when discussing the possibility of a new movie trilogy does always say it will have not tie in to the tv universe. That does in no way mean it will not have the same mythology.

    Bare with me. While the movie did not have the story telling time that a 14 year tv run has. The shows mythology is based on what is laid in the movie.

    The use of humans as a host under the guise of being an ancient Egyptian god. Again I understand that they only portray Ra in the movie but we are talking about 2 hours versus hundreds with the shows.

    So the the likely hood of the mythology being there is extremely high. albeit I am sure a bit different.

    I should say that I do love both the original movie as well as sg1 and sga. Probably the shows more so.

    I was not a big fan of SGU but it was not the worst thing I have seen either. I found it to be to much the writers attempt to cash in of the dark sci-fi that battle star was doing so successfully to some.

    As SGA kept most of the same key points that made SG1 successfully but was still waning largely in the rates could possibly be attributed to a similar brand burn out that star trek was starting to suffer near the end of a four show 18 year run of TNG, DS9, voyager and enterprise.

    While I am not a fan of the Star Trek reboot as a Star Trek they are decent science fiction movies. They just lack that feel of Star Trek.

    I think that might be what a large amount of people are afraid of with this reboot. It is not so much about the changes that may be made or the cannon that might be ignored but will it feel like a true stargate. A feel that was lacking in the SGU show.

    I think Emmerich being able to complete the trilogy that he intended in the beginning could be a good thing. I think the biggest mistake that he could make is trying to take the movies in the much darker direction of SGU and so many movies these days.

    The banter and ancient mythology are the big musts to keep that stargate feel.

    If those two things are kept with a half decent story all the people screaming at this idea will love it.

    There is a solid chance that after the trilogy if successfully, a new series is very possible. However not until the brand is once again proven to the new regime. As this reboot looks to be at least another 5 years of so out, the break might be what it needs to help with that exhaustion some felt(I am not one I miss the shows so much).

    Darren was right when he said a wrap up would not work either. While I would love so see a new season or the two planned sga movies they would be complete fan fare. While they likely would not lose money because there is enough fans dying for them, they would not make much money either.

    We do not go to work everyday to break even so we can not expect mgm to either. This may be the only way for both the fans and the studio to be happy. To be fare I think that had they done some real blockbusters with the SG-1 movies with a real budget and a movie director and writers not tv writers and director could have had the same potential. but that time is past.

    While budgets do not mean everything to a movie. Star trek is a good example of this. look at the TNG movies all television writers and directors, and it shows. They feel like hour and a half tv episodes. vs the reboots by JJ Abrams(again still not a fan of them being star trek but they are good sci-fi movies if the trek label is lost).

    The SG-1 movies are tv budgets, writers, and director. That would not hold up on the big screen.

    After ranting for a long time I guess my point is: as long as a lighter feel with the character interaction and banter is kept these could be movies that are even better than the original and might be a great launch point for a new series or more.

  • i firmly believe that if a lot of tv franchise fans got together and let mgm know they were interested in more (like another tv series), mgm would take note.

    but the main problem is that fandom is too apathetic now to do anything. the fans that would have taken part in campaigns and such DID do it in the past, but since nothing happened… they left.

    mgm was going through some super management fallout (including bankruptsy), so they weren’t interested in listening to anyone say anything.

    but that time is over, and yet… the fans won’t fight for getting the stargate tv franchise back up and running.

    not even the former stargate producers/writers will fight anymore… :( x 10

  • Sorry Darren, but with respect we will have to agree to disagree. I would call myself a ‘grimmer’ realist than yourself.

    I think there is an element of MGM Stockholm syndrome at work here. It is ironic that arguments have been just above my post that TV budget movies do not hold up against big screen productions.

    It is a point of fact that in the same year Stargate was released and gathered $71.5 million domestic, finishing 17th over all for the year, Star Trek Generations with it’s very TV-influenced script capped out in 15th place with $75.6 million.

    Your suggestion had some merit, until one word arrived; trilogy.

    I went and saw the original movie. The first act was a fascinating one, as usually is in Emmerich’s movies. The audience gets to peer over the shoulder of geeks as they figure out the big mystery. It is his trademark and I love watching it in all his films.

    Then they step through the gate and it just fell flat. Visually it is painfully obvious he was influenced by Lawrence of Arabia. And that was the movie’s un-doing. Where, one may ask, did these people find plants to gather materials for clothes? Or food? It is just a never ending sea of pretty-for-the-camera sand dunes. Fine for armies on the march, but an oppressed community?

    We then get an hour of what exactly, Spartacus in space? Laser beams and Sandals? The entire idea was ridiculous.

    The idea that this concept would be reboot-green lit for not one, but movies is beyond absurd. It will never, ever happen.

    The TV show saved Stargate from its own embarrassment. The franchise thrives with that balance of fast pacing and humorous quips from lead characters. Neither SGU or the movie had that balance.

  • I really wish those so-called hardcore Stargate fans could stop hurting the thing they claim to love the most. Because of them, Stargate is finished when they boycotted SGU. Now, there’ll be a movie but they still oppose it. Keep protesting, guys, and Stargate will be DEAD for good! There’ll NEVER be another season of SG1 or SGA! Wake up, people!

    A cinema movie will no doubt be grander in scale of awesomeness and special effects than a low-budgeted tv series. I do love the series, but there are many episodes I wish I didn’t watch, like the flashback episodes and conversation-only episodes. Seriously, fans? You prefer to watch those than a cinema version?

    Well, I’m a fan of Stargate and I want to see it keeps LIVING! So I support the movie version!

  • I largely agree with the thrust of the article for one reason: Despite 17 seasons of TV and a feature film, the concept of Stargate, a portal that leads to the unknown featuring contemporary protagonists, is still fascinating and worthy of exploring.

    I really enjoyed the show and the characters (not the Universe Cast with the exceptions of Eli, Greer and Rush) but if some sort of stand alone story emerges that uses only the concepts created by the film and show I think that would be just fine. I do think Devlin and Emmerich are a bad choice because they aren’t interested or capable of making it anything but dumb, but I am willing to let them try.

  • I’m all for a new movie, it has to be better than the universe, that wasn’t stargate.

  • Okay as much as I agree with you I absolutely don’t! I am a fan of every stargate series, Universe is my least favorite but granted there are some good episodes, about 5. In my opinion the Stargate franchise start to die when season eight finished. The series SG-1 was doing great even when it was suppose to end in season fve or when Jonas replaced Daniel in Season 6. What killed SG-1 for most fans was probably 1. Richard Dean Anderson leaving 2. The Goa’uld was gone and now replaced with a new enemy. May these are not the reason why the fabs were so hyped anymore but it was a big change and some people hate change. I was introduced to Stargate by my parents when I was eight. The first episode I watched was Hathor. Over the years I watched the series evolve to new things and I think that everything Stargate SG-1 was, was exactly what fans wanted to see. I am happy with the way Sg-1 ended but I wish San and Jack finally ended up together, whatever. As for Atlantis and Universe that’s a different story. For Atlantis we didn’t see how the wrath were finally gone, I mean who’s to say they won’t find earth now? A new feeding ground known as the milky way? Or that Atlantis now just sits on the waters in San Fransico? What if people of earth find out about the Stargate program finally? So many questions raise to mind one having to do with the Lunar project that Sam was hinting at in Stargate Continuum? Need I remind everyone there was suppose to be a sixth season of Atlantis, movie for Atlantis and a a third movie for SG-1? I know I’m not big on Universe but it literally started to get good just as the show was being cancelled!! I can’t take all this doom and gloom of this never coming back or if it does in the next 10 years. Forget that! I am now declaring that I will somehow band enough people through tumblr, facebook and whatever else to demand a movie where all three series come together and finish off what they started! Even if it’s the last movie they make I’m going to make a way for this to happen!

    On that note I do support this trilogy and I’m interested to see what comes of it.

  • @LizzyMi: i’ll help in any way i can to rally the troops!!

    sg1 & atlantis & sam/jack all the way!! :p :)

  • Okay, actors get old and die. The stargate crew isn’t exactly looking great these days. Science fiction is hot in the theaters right now with mega hits such as Thor opening at 85 million and up for less than a weekend. Stargate reboot would be a wonderful idea. Movies quite often lead to TV Series. MGM should jump on this not only because of the past but because of Thor and Star Trek and all the others in the last four years. With no real science fiction TV channels these days I would jump at the chance to have a movie on the big screen.

  • Okay, somewhat late to the party, but I wanted to add my thoughts to the debate.
    I saw Stargate, with Kurt Russell, at the movies and was totally bored with it. SO bored I didn’t bother to watch SG-1 until a fried showed me a few episodes and was hooked. (I now how the 10 seasons on DVD). When SGA came along I was thrilled, more action adventure and more pretty boys to look at. I was devastated when SGA was cancelled because they hadn’t finished telling its story! I tried SGU, but the was no action, little adventure – in a nutshell it was even more boring than the movie. I persevered for 10 episodes then gave up.
    If all these guys are going to do is remake the original movie, which is what it sounds like, then I definitely won’t bother to go to see it.
    I’ll watch my Blue Ray versions of Stargate Atlantis’ five seasons.

  • grim realist
    sorry dude, these why these type company get away with cancelling good shows because people move on to the next thing no problem, if people had back bone and said no, than alot thing never be cancelled so early.

  • do want more stargate yes would I what reboot and here why, when look new star trek films, I tell u now they destroyed everything that made star trek great. it nothing more than action film for masses not for the fans or one made possible for them have over 40 years of tv, shows and films

  • I might be alone here, but the original movie, to me, IS Stargate. I tried to watch the television shows, but they just seemed lame compared to the film. I was so looking forward to sequels to the film, then the show was made and my dreams were dashed. Devlin and Emmerich made magic with the film. A sequel of sorts would be amazing, but as i understand the show sort of took those reigns. So a reboot is the next best thing, for a feature film, or set of features. What I did see of the show, it lacked the expansiveness a film world creates. To simply keep going from there would be a mistake.
    To be able to have Emmerich and Devlin re-hash their original story, taking into account the plot developments and arc they had planned for the intended sequels, and then to re-work their ideas and explore other options they had with the first film in today’s age of movie making magic would be STUPENDOUS. I greatly anticipate this project.


    That’s right. Better to let Stargate rest in peace than disrespect the whole thing. The stargate movie was pretty good, but SG1 and SGA were better — and DID NOT disrespect the movie.

    However, the SGU series DID disrespect SG1 and SGA, hence its abysmal failure, even with endless SG1/SGA fans who had high hopes (but would rather have had SG1/SGA continue).

    The reason SGU died is because it disrespected SG1/SGA. In the case of SGU it did not literally disrespect the storyline, though it had very little connection to the SG1/SGA storyline at all. No, what SGU disrespected was the whole feeling and sensibility of stargate/SG1/SGA, and tried to convince us “the best and brightest scientists on the planet would behave like a bunch of utterly irresponsible spoiled teenage brats”. SGU was just a soap opera that happened to be set in the spaceship with a stargate.

    A reboot is a VERY BAD IDEA… unless it is essentially compatible with SG1/SGA in facts, in tone, and in sensibility. And if MGM think they can piss off the entire stargate fan base and have a success, they are sorely mistaken. Let them try — they’ll get what they deserve.

    It IS possible to make a reboot of stargate that works, and becomes successful. But it should retain what was good about SG1/SGA, otherwise it will fail. And frankly, though the stargate movie was good, and the basic premise was fantastic, the fact remains that SG1/SGA were miles were vastly superior to the stargate movie and contain the VAST majority of fun ideas, great ideas, and working potential.

    I can live with them not bringing back the SG1/SGA characters, thought they’re totally crazy not to bring back at least Daniel Jackson and/or Rodney McKay (and I do mean the same actors, not just characters with those names).

    Here is the bottom line for MGM and the developers. If you don’t love the Stargate presented in SG1/SGA, go invent some other story.

    The ENTIRE POINT of making a new Stargate rather than some other/new story is — BECAUSE stargate ROCKS (and that means SG1/SGA for the most part).

    To destroy Stargate the way JJA destroyed StarTrek is just another travesty upon good folks and great material. You won’t succeed, but you will anger millions of people who would otherwise have been your greatest fans.

  • Bit late to the party. Just learned about this in a ‘wonder if there’s anything new with Stargate’ google.

    I’m not a fan of reboots in general, definitely not a fan of Emmerich (I’m so not his target audience) and much, much, much more a fan of the TV series which deliberately moved away from the style of the original film.

    So I’m not even slightly excited by this news.

  • Reading a lot of these peoples comments I see a lot of unhappy people. I like the writer of the articles point of view, I am a Stargate lover as well and SOMETHING is better than nothing. This isn’t ‘give me liberty or give me death’, this is get a bread crum and hopefully MGM will warm up to it again. Let’s all pray that Stargate SG-2 will be coming outin the next few years :). Have COL Maypeace using a revived version of Apophis as the new Teal’c :-P, maybe have McKay and Shepherd running a SG-3 Spinoff ;)

  • New to the site, lurked for some time before signing up.

    I will probably watch the movies (if they’re actually made) but tbh I’ve still a somewhat bad taste leftover with how Atlantis, and subsequently, Universe were handled. I wasn’t around back in the days when the fans were being trashed by TPTB.

    Suffice it to say, I’ve been doing a lot of catch up. As for SyFy, I really haven’t watched since they canned Farscape.

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