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Why was Stargate Atlantis cancelled?

Saturday - January 10, 2009
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The second Stargate series has taken its final bow in the United States, with the finale airing Friday night on the SCI FI Channel. But why was the show cancelled? And what is next for Stargate?

Since many viewers who don’t frequent GateWorld or other Stargate sites may be looking for answers today, we’ll do our best to answer these questions here.

There is a bit of debate on just why the show was ended when it was. MGM and SCI FI Channel jointly announced in late August that the current fifth season would be Atlantis‘s last, as the show moved to the world of TV and DVD movies. Some 48 hours later, they also announced that a new series, Stargate Universe, would premiere this summer.

Low Ratings?
The debate over the show’s cancellation has to do with how great the ratings were a factor. The show’s Nielsen numbers have fallen dramatically over the last five years. In Season One ratings were well over the 2.0 mark; today ratings of 1.2 (Live + Same Day) are typical. Like the rest of television, much of this is attributable to the rise of TiVo and other digital video recorders. More people are “time-shifting” their television viewing, and the industry is still struggling to properly measure the viewers of a television show (and its commercials, which pay the bills).

Though the raw ratings numbers are down, viewership for Atlantis has been inching upward for the past couple of years. When DVR-delayed viewers are accounted for (though they may be skipping past commercials), Atlantis hasn’t lost all that much of its U.S. audience.

DVD Movies? Or Stargate Universe?
Instead of ratings, many fans point to the fact that the studio and network are replacing the show with the third series, Stargate Universe. Was one cancelled for the other (since the producers don’t want to do two series simultaneously again, as well as SG-1 movies)?

According to series co-creator Brad Wright, the matter seems to be more complex than that. The producers, MGM (the studio that owns the franchise), and SCI FI executives sat down in the summer of 2008 to strategize what they felt is in the best interests of the entire franchise over the long term. Add to this mix the typical life cycle for a television show and the importance of full-length movies to the show’s creators, and a picture begins to emerge: In order to make Atlantis DVD movies successful (among an audience much broader than the fan base), they should be made before general interest in Atlantis has waned. If the TV show runs long enough to be cancelled due to low viewership, in other words, the studio won’t be eager to pour millions of dollars into making a Stargate Atlantis movie.

At the same time, Universe was in development and had been pitched to the network the previous fall (and received well). Launching a new series always draws new attention to a network and a franchise, and plans are to make the third series a bit different from its predecessors. (More on that later.)

According to Wright, the three parties mutually decided to end Atlantis and make movies, and then launch Stargate Universe. This would allow the SG-1, Atlantis, and Universe “legs” of the franchise to continue to run together, hopefully far into the future.

Make of all that what you will. The short of it is that Stargate Atlantis was not cancelled due to low ratings — though as Wright recently hinted, significantly higher ratings would certainly have changed the discussion. Rather, when a studio like MGM has found such success in the DVD market (especially with last year’s SG-1 releases, The Ark of Truth and Continuum), the nature of what “cancellation” means has changed. With DVD movies now a major part of this franchise, Atlantis has in some ways been a “victim” of Stargate’s success.

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  • Thanks for the information. In a way it’s good to know that falling ratings were not the reason Atlantis was cancelled.

    Sorry, I’m still not interested in Universe and I don’t plan on watching. But I find it quite fascinating the way suddenly, some new, “older” characters are being added to quell the 90210 comments. But whatever, I”m not buying it. This is a show aimed at a new, younger demographic. The oldies are just tokens.

  • In all fairness, this Season averaged around a 1.6 HH rating and 5 years ago was like a 1.8 to 1.9 HH rating. Not only has time-shifting changed, but the entire network has dipped. Even shows like Eureka don’t get those 2.0+ stellar ratings anymore. People are going to argue and call it spin, but they don’t understand how it works.

    In all respect to Brad, no show on SCI FI pulls what SGA/SG-1/Eureka/ECW/BSG used to do. I think the highest rating was a 1.9 for Ghost Hunters. How can they expect epic ratings from a channel that is entirely down. But are ratings really down? No, you cannot compare a rating point from one year to the next especially 5 years ago. They are always changing. It is the viewer totals that are what is important.

    People don’t understand because the amount of houses that get SCI FI increased it changes the ratings denominator. A 1.5 now was like a 1.8 three years ago.

  • I feel betrayed.
    I keep watching, being a loyal fan and all and what do they do with my favourite show? They cancel it.

    Good job, Sci-Fi/MGM.

    P.S.
    Universe is gonna suck…

  • Well, I do feel what they did will benefit the overall franchise. It will definitely expand it and make it greater..

    and jasong, if you’ve read the character details, (new ones) and the storyline, this show has the potential to be amazingly great.. You will be missing out but it’s no loss to me..

  • Seems like they’ve never heard the saying “If it aint broke don’t fix it”

    Now the fate of the Stargate franchise lies in a new untested show Stargate Universe, which if it fails will most likely be the final nail in the coffin for the Stargate franchise.

    While I’m going to take a wait and see approach on Stargate Universe and cross my fingers that it turns out to be really good, if they really want broaden their market spot wasting time making direct to DVD movies and go all out on a big budget movie that can be released at cinemas instead.

  • Ok so can we bury the hatchett that it was not ratings that got the show canned? Even if you scratch out DVR the show is still getting a 1.3 HH rating which is enough for the top 5, even 3 most weeks for the network

  • Insaneboy, why are you betrayed? they ended it with the approval of the creators, are you the kind of person who goes. “how dare they end a 2 season show that had a very specific storyline and wouldn’t have made it past 2 seasons!”

    Firstly they are making movies, which while not the show are still the same characters with the same actors playing them.

    Universe is the logical step, why would you make another show that has all of there actors in their mid to late 30′s? what it does is mean you have a time limit on how long you can have realistic damage being done to them, they can’t get shot in season 5 or 6 cause that could very well kill them a lot quicker than say i don’t know. a 24 year old.

    There were always going to be older cast members in Universe, its just that everyone leapt on the casting call that wasn’t official and never mentioned the full cast.

    My one concern is how many people will be on the ship with them, cause how can they have characters die if there is only 50 or so people…. I suppose it will be like Voyager, where the number of crew always change and no one really knows how many people are left.

    People suck it up, if you don’t like Universe don’t watch it, but don’t judge it before you’ve seen at least the first episode. I’ve judged many things on the Pilot, and Pilots are so raw.

  • I myself am getting excited about SGU. We will have more SG-1 and SGA along with a new series. I just have been trying to prove a point that it was not SGA’s performance that led to it’s end. I think a lot of folks see that now.

  • I think Universe has great potential, especially with Cooper and Wright at the helm. What they did in seasons 9 and 10 of SG-1 was pretty amazing. Personally, I think Atlantis started to go downhill when they left as show runners and let it get decidedly darker in tone. Unfortunately–and this is what has got me worried–is that they are going after the “darker in tone” approach to storytelling. One of the great things about SG-1 was that it stayed optimistic and avoided Battlestar’s “everybody is a scumbag” approach to its characters. So, if they can keep it family-friendly then I think it has a good shot. Regardless, I will definitely be watching it this summer.

  • Lets cut to the chase. Atlantis finale not so good. First we could never get back then we could get back then we move the whole thing to Earth. Dumb as dumb gets. Can’t wait for the new series but what will they do with Atlantis on Earth? And as far as spending money on movies let us face the other reality that its more like a movie of the week than a feature film. Bleed us for the DVD but go cheap on the production. As for ratings, maybe if sci-fi would put it on at a decent hour it would have done better and if sci-fi maintained a regular schedule, (where is Eureka and Who and Torchwood?) maybe we’d be able to tune in. I really wish some geeks with money would go into competition with Sci-Fi. Hey, Sci-Fi wrestling anyone? Give me a break!!

  • When Universe fails can they realize they made a mistake and restart production of Atlantis?

  • The ratings may have stayed the same but the production costs have been going up. The US dollar has tanked compared to Canadian. Atlantis had to get much better ratings than it was to stay profitable. It didnt so it got the axe. Brad Wright talks to the people who made the decision. I’ll believe him before I believe anyone here who thinks they know what happened.

  • honestly, and I know that there are people out there that are going to disagree, but I think it was more than time that the show ended. It did not end the way it should have. The writing has gone down hill for a long time now and there have been nothing but problems with fully integrating the main characters into a believable team unit – even as far back as rainbow sun franks.

  • if the writing has been goin down hill for atlantis wouldnt that mean when univers starts the writing will suck to begin with

  • After what the writers/directors/producers have done with SG1 and SGA, I have only confidence in what they’re capable of and, I really look forward to SGU.
    As for SGA, while I’ve liked that series (though never even nearly as much as SG1, though that’s a personal opinion, of course), it always seemed to lack some cohesiveness or camaraderie between its characters that SG1 always had and had easily without even trying- One of the most glaring differences was in how relationships and characters always seemed to work well in SG1, and how there was always a strong interconnecting between them – amazingly, this continued, even after SG1 introduced new characters late in the series – Somehow, the characters in that series and how they worked together always seemed natural, whereas, unfortunately, at least in my opinion, both the characters and their relationships often seemed forced and somehow a bit awkward in SGA. I think the writers and creative persons involved recognized this immediately but didn’t know how to ‘fix’ that.
    Worse, instead of working to somehow resolve this, they thought maybe there was something about the character that wouldn’t ever easily work and so, it began to seem that every year another major character would go off on some weird tangent and was then ultimately jettisoned from the series. Perhaps because of this, or perhaps additionally, while I thought that there were a few great storylines, I also thought that (just as some of the characters and how they related seemed forced) many of the stories and whole storylines also seemed really forced (and, as a result, unbelievable) as well.
    The fact that so many main characters were so unexpectedly abandoned after having substantial roles only seemed to point out that the producers and writers must themesleves have had continued difficulty making those characters work and thought it was easier to get rid of them rather than to try anything else. I was disappointed with how they ‘dismissed’ all those that they did through the last four years – and none more than what really was the essentially ‘killing off’ of Elizabeth Weir who had been the most believable character and the most cohesive ‘holding-together’ force in the show. I still think that was a real mistake, though oddly enough, and ironically, her character gained more credibility, clarity and respect because of the horror she had to endure at the end. (Though, I think that was just somehow an accidental consequence of that decision to remove that character).
    My point overall is that I think one of the reasons SGA met an unexpected early demise was that for whatever reasons, the writers, and creative persons involved had problems with making the characters interact comfortably, creating credible storylines and all that such involved – problems they never had with SG1. And, I think that, correctly, they believed they wouldn’t have that sort of problem with any SGA films; and better to end SGA now before another year went by and all those same bits of awkwardness only became more and more exacerbated. (When they did somehow find some storyline that seemed to work (e.g. Michael) it sometimes seemed they were so glad to find something that worked that they almost drove it to an extreme death. And, when one didn’t work, for example, introducing Dr. Keller as Rodney’s love interest … well, in this case, having the series end also saved having to resolve that storyline… most probably. That such a situation just didn’t work was no fault of either actor. (I liked the Dr. Keller character except for the interreaction with Rodney, and I think again, it was easier for the writers to write something that was new than to find stories for characters that they obviously somehow just couldn’t develop as they’d originally expected). Again, my opinion only, and perhaps everyone reading will disagree).
    Despite the above thoughts, I did enjoy SGA, it had a great last episode and there were a few I’ll remember – not as many as SG1 where I can watch almost any episode I’ve already seen over and over, but, I’m glad that SGA have a chance to continue and I certainly look forward, hopefully, to many more SGA adventures and I hope, even more SG1 as well.

  • dave howe summed things up fairly well. scifi wanted a replacement for battlestar galactica

  • To the comment made by someone who said “But I find it quite fascinating the way suddenly, some new, “older” characters are being added to quell the 90210 comments.” Your flipping riddiculous. They claimed that they wanted an older lead, which makes sense. General Hammond and Colonel O’Neil were the older leads of SG-1. When SG-1 first started Amanda Tapping was 31, Christopher Judge was 32 and Michael Shanks was TWENTY SIX. In essence these three were a young cast and the aim of SGU is aiming for somewhere around TWENTY SIX. So enough already. It’s not going to turn into a fracking drama of who slept with who every week. Another thing that there giving us is more character development which is what was lacking in SGA.

  • I hate to say it, but I for one hope that SGU fails.

    I know that many will disagree, but SGA wasn’t finished by a long shot. The only reason why I accepted SG1′s fate was because of SGA (had a couple of seasons to establish itself before SG1 was cancelled – SGU won’t have this luxury).

    The executives need to learn if it ain’t broke, don’t try and fix it. It isn’t time for SGU yet or should I say Stargate: Voyager.

  • All I am going to say is I am glad Atlantis is not gone, I hope it goes to big screen at some point…and go SGU!

  • I’m sorry but I’m still not excited about SGU. I loved SG-1 and I adored SGA (even though in S5, they stripped it of almost all the things that I loved about the show, team-ness and the bickering between John and Rodney, and they crammed romance down our throat with a shovel) but SGU seems too riddled with cliches for me, from the characters (a spoiled party girl, really?) to the premise (ST: Voyager, anyone?). The cancellation of SGA left a bad taste in my mouth, just like the execs idea that fans are like sheep: throw them enough fodder of a similar nature and they will baah contently. I’m looking forward to the SG-1 and SGA movies (even though the apparent lack of enthusiasm for the movies the writers show is appalling) but I’m not sure if I will follow the new show.

  • To comments above that the team never jelled in Atlantis, that’s patently ridiculous. The strenght of the series is the fantastic team dynamic and I’m really going to miss it. Roll on the movies.

  • I am sorry I would rather have had Atlantis continue as a series rather then hoping that each time they actually make a movie for it that my favorite charter/actor will be on it. I am not interested in a SGA movie or even another SG1 movie if the ALL the cast members I love are on it still.

    They could have had that with the tv show continuing but they can’t promise that with a movie every one or two years, if we even get that. They seem to think that the actors won’t have other jobs and are maybe to busy to come and make a movie with them.

    I don’t only blame Sci Fi and MGM for the bad decisions of late regarding Stargate. From all I have been reading and hearing I have to say a lot of the blame also belongs to Brad Wright and company.

  • Stargate SG-1 & Stargate Atlantis Was Two Of The Best Shows On TV & They Are Cancelled The New Stargate Show Is Going To Be Awesome I Know & You Know It But Stargate SG-1 & Stargate Atlantis Should Not Be Cancelled

  • Well i think that any star gate fan should atleast watch the pilot even if they dont like the intial plot or whatever.

    And i aslo dont see why peaple feel betrayed it not the end of atlantis, they made this so hopefully the show and the franchise would live LONGER!!, and a TRUE STAR GATE FAn WOULD SUPPORT UNIVERSE FOR THE SAKE OF THE FRANSCHISE, i mean the same creator gave us SG-1 and atlantis why would unvivers be so much worse? have same faith

  • I think TPTB are taking a big risk with Universe. The show will carry the Stargate name yet they are looking for a different audience with their “darker, grittier” show. If the older audience doesn’t like it, and this new audience doesn’t tune in, the show (and the franchise) could crash and burn. The worse thing they did was cancel Atlantis and then right away announce Universe. It created a great deal of animosity among the Atlantis diehards.

    I will watch the pilot and probably the first 2 or 3 episodes. However, I have very low hopes for Universe. I just haven’t heard one thing about the show that even remotely sparks my interest.

  • I’d still rather have 20 episodes per season than probably 1 dvd movie per year (but I’m really hoping for more). There were some great episodes throughout Atlantis’s run with some really good character development. Sheppard and Mackay worked brilliantly together. But overall I’m going to miss watching John Sheppard every week. As for Stargate Universe. Think I’ll give it a miss.

  • I’ll be frank – I never liked SGA as much as SG-1, mostly because, as others have mentioned, the cast never seemed to truly jell, and the Weir character was absolutely terrible and weak. I didn’t like the character when she was introduced in SG-1 as a blonde, either – they never seemed to find the right actress to play the part. I appreciated what they were trying to do with the character; I just think they kept missing the boat with it.

    I liked all the other characters, they had all the elements, but somehow it just didn’t work. I hoped that getting rid of Weir would help, but there were too many changes in leadership too quickly with no time for any jelling to occur. But that’s all under the bridge now.

    I will most likely watch SGU, because the SciFi channel is a desert and makes a mockery of its name with ‘reality’ shows and wrestling, and I’ll gravitate to anything that vaguely resembles science fiction. I’m not going to put expectations on it other than, if it wants to keep me, it’d better have compelling stories and a believable cast.

    Here’s a thought: it occurs to me that the SciFi Channel has a low opinion of its viewers’ attention span, so it only lets us watch one or two good shows at a time…

  • I think TPTB are taking a big risk. I was never a fan of SG-1, and soon gave up watching.

    I have adored Atlantis from the first episode, and although they have promised a movie, I’ll believe that when it happens. I would much rather have had the 20 episodes that I know would be made, if the series had been renewed.

    As for SGU, I won’t watch it – for one thing I don’t like Robert Carlyle, and the other reason; it so obvious that Atlantis was cancelled to make way for it.

  • Atlantis could have lasted another couple of years, they still had stories to tell. Network execs only look for ways to make more money. I’ve been watching since the start and have everything but SGA season 5 on dvd (will get it when it comes out) – but not even going to watch SGU. I’m not going to support stupid decisions (MGM and Sci-fi), Cooper and Wright are doing everything they can to keep Stargate going for us. MGM and Sci-fi need to realize that younger viewers have better things to do Friday nights!

  • don’t blame ratings or Tivo.don’t think that making a SGA Movie is going to compensate for the cancellation of the show.you DECIDED that SGA would be better off in a movie franchise,not US!!!TPTB could still have had SGA series and movies runnning parallel y.SGA was doing well during it’s first and second season because of the great storyline(s).somewhere along there,brad wright had a dream:stargate universe.so what he did? he decided to ditch SGA and started focusing on another SG series.from then onwards SGA went downhill because everyone was busy mooning over SGU and nobody was writing good scripts anymore.so you see now why SGA’s ratings dropped tremendously??if you could do a complete 360 degrees on SGA,who is to say the same thing won’t happen to SGU? did you love SGU more than SGA or did you realize late than SGA was a mistake and decide to cancel it? either way,i’m not buying the reasons given above.you created SGA.you created a loyal fanbase.you created fans of the show.you made us die hard SGA fans disappointed and crushed.

  • My perspective. My opinion.

    The Sci-Fi channel is a mismanaged channel. It has been for years. Why should their decisions make any more sense in 2008 than they ever have? I would be watching this channel every chance I got if they actually offered up Science Fiction type programming. Sci-Fi plays monster movies every weekend. This is the genius that is running this station. So I don’t think it is a big surprise that any of their shows get very low ratings. Personally, I haven’t watched the channel since they pulled Farscape. I’ve enjoyed my Stargate on DVD where I can have a season marathon every year.

    Atlantis was a mediocre show. My opinion. The first season was spectacular. From then on the writing and stories were crap. Not all of them, but a good majority of them. Season 2 was so/so, but season 3 was just painful to watch. Most of the episodes were rip offs of past Stargate shows. Very frustrating for a fan of Stargate. Badly written. And I’ve voiced it a million times along with others – that show needed a whole new writing staff ala Enterprise 4th season.

    To make even more friends the addition of Ronon Dex was a horrible decision in my eyes. I’m sorry Jason Momoa, but you can’t act. Yes you have big muscles and are eye candy, but watching scenes where he had dialogue was also painful. And what they did to a wonderful actress like Torri Higginson was ridiculous. I don’t normally care about the politics behind a show as long as it’s a good show, but how they treated this actress was so blatantly wrong it does indeed give a bit of disdain in my eyes when watching the show. It taints it.

    As far as Universe. Have fun with it. I’ll pass just because of Stargate’s track record the past couple years. I have Heroes, a 9th season of Smallville, and Sarah Connor to keep my sci-fi fix going and thank god none of those shows are on the Sci-Fi Channel. HMMM. Science Fiction on the Sci-Fi Channel. HMMMM. What a concept. NAH! That will never work.

  • I think that loyalty is an interesting concept to consider in any business-to-customer relationship. Any “loyalty” the showmakers may have to their customers (us) and to one of their products (SGA) seems irrelevant when they’re making business decisions about an entire franchise. Yes, it’s in their best interest to please millions of customers. But they have to balance the few (and often conflicting) voices they hear with actual sales (ratings, ad revenue). And they have to attract new customers as well.

    Of course, *our* choices about television are *personal* — and just as self-serving. Any “loyalty” I have to any showmaker amounts to “I may try your new product because I loved your old one”. And the attention and time I give to the new product is directly related to my experience with whoever made it. Joss Whedon? I will try any new “product” and give it every chance to show how brilliant it can be. J.J. Abrams? I will try a new product if it sounds interesting, and then it has about three weeks to show that it’s worth my while.

    Cooper/Wright’s new product may get one week.

    Of course, I am not in their target audience, anyway. I am a 40+ female, who is neither a brand new fan, nor a fan of the franchise as a whole.

    I loved *one* product. It was far from perfect, but I loved many of the characters and every bright, shining moment that the whole team created, from Atlantis rising to Beer on the Pier. I love what the actors brought to it and I love what the fans have made from it.

    The new product does not have characters or actors that I already love. It does not have characters or a premise that sound interesting to me. The way that some of the showmakers have lately spoken about the process of creating television does not appeal to me, and I can see these views expressed in the aspects of Season 5 that I did not enjoy, and in the way this transition was handled. Finally, as much as I love SGA, the overall quality of the writing was not high enough for me to buy a new product that already has strikes against it, and no goodwill going for it — perhaps loyalty has business considerations after all.

    I get that Stargate is Cooper/Wright’s world to do with as they please. And I get that this was a business decision, I really do. I can’t even say that it was a bad business decision. But ultimately, each of us (and everyone with a television) will make a personal choice about their business decision. And then we’ll know ;)

  • when is MGM going to realize its SCI FI thats hurting the ratings. i didnt watch the show on TV. i downloaded it from itunes for a fee to watch. when you put wrestling on a Science fiction based network then there has to be a problem. im hoping the new series wont be hurt from this network. and the reason i stopped watchin SCI FI they keep putting shows on and then pulling them for a couple of months and the non-stop commercials are unbelievable

  • Universe may be the final nail in the stargate franchise. It all depends on if tptb are truly out of creativity. Atlantis suffered from a lack of imagination. Universe may follow.

  • Face it, the franchise is dying. Writing has been horrible for a few years, Atlantis and SG-1 are surviving on movies. They are hit or miss. One bad movie (or should I say one more bad movie after Ark of Truth’s turd) will kill what is left. SGU is not going to survive. It could be the greatest idea in the world but they just are not writing good stories anymore.

    Atlantis was canceled because of money. MGM, Sci-fi and the Stargate creators are all after more money. Atlantis had some horrible stories these past few years which resulted in less money. I hope we can still get a few good SG-1 and Atlantis stories but I’m not counting on it.

    Stargate franchise, I’ll miss you!

  • Nice to know that they cancelled Atlantis for no real reason other than….. well I can’t even call that a reason so yeah no real reason. At least the cast is protesting ( you can tell by how bad the last two episodes were)

  • I just don’t know, and the jury will continue to be out until I see the first episode of SU. I didn’t watch SG1 until it hit Sci-Fi channel (just didn’t want to pay for prem channels!), but I was a faithful viewer after I discovered it! Love SGA as well. The characters have come so far and pulled together well. There were still some rough edges, but they were working. The last episode? Was a bit too much hearts and flowers, and there was a LOT of action that was left out! Granted it was only an hour show, but it could have been so much better as a longer ep.

    Just my opinion.

  • I do plan on watching SU for a while, just to see if the characters gel and what the writers will do. But as a 40-something person who has watched for a long time, I’m just not sure of the character descriptions. A “party girl?” A “slacker”? Isn’t there enough trash on television? If I’m going to invest my time, it better be worth it, or there won’t be any more “investment” on my end.

  • Frankly, I’d have preferred they went on for one more season to properly wrap up the series like they tried to do with SG-1/season 8. I suppose the economic climate just isn’t supporting two Stargates at once this time.

    Unrelated: I also suspect that Universe is going to make extensive use of green-room/CG sets (a la Sanctuary) to reduce cost.

  • I can’t belive that they cancelled Atlantis. It was an amazing show with an incredible cast! I thought the relationships between the characters were amazing and that all of the main characters in the series were very well develouped. I’m glad that they are at least going to make movies, but I’d rather have the show continue instead.
    From what I saw of the SG-1 movies they weren’t as good as the series and I am afraid that the same thing will happen to the Atlantis movies. My problem with the SG-1 movies was that it felt like the writes were making a long TV episode instead of a movie. I don’t know if other people agree with that though, and it is just my personal opinion.

    I will give Stargate Universe a chance, but I do not believe that it will be able to replace what Atlantis had by a long shot. To other people’s points it seems like the show is based on Star Trek: Voyager, but maybe the writers will be able to bring something fresh to the story.

    I still wish that they were continuing Atlantis though. It was honestly my favorite show ever.

  • I think what tptb don’t realize is that we eagerly bought up the SG1 movies to tell them that we wanted more of SG1. Then they double whammied us by canceling SGA. I, for one, am not interested in getting to like another show just for them to do the same thing to us again. Burned once shame on you, burned twice shame on me…………NOT AGAIN!!!

  • Despite the problems I’ve had with SGA and my dismay at its cancellation, I could have gotten over it and become excited about Universe. But now, on top of the previously announced character stereotypes, they’ve announced two more character stereotypes, one possibly recurring: a 50-60 year old man who’s a respected senator and the doting dad to stunningly sexy Ivy League party-girl series regular Chloe, and 30-50 year old accountant who’s the highest ranking IOC member stranded aboard the ship and who has “a false sense of importance and superiority” and “a stubborn way of asserting it,” and who is — no doubt coincidentally (that was my sarcastic voice) — female.

    How sick am I of this kind of thing? VERY. VERY VERY. They couldn’t manage Elizabeth so they killed her off, they couldn’t manage Sam in a command position so they moved her out, Teyla’s been pushed further and further aside despite her demonstrable awesomeness, and Keller, who started off as an interesting character with huge potential, has been turned into a cardboard cutout love interest. I still like her because when I look at her, I can only see Jewel or Kaylee — and that’s not Jewel’s fault, she’s terrific. It’s that the writers can’t seem to figure out what or who she is besides someone for Rodney to hook up with, and worse, they don’t seem to care.

    And now Stargate: 90210 gives us yet another woman who’s got an inflated sense of her own skills and importance and aggressively makes sure that everyone knows it. RAWR.

    The odds of me giving this show the slightest chance have just dropped to “not if they paid me.”

  • There’s something that’s been bothering me for quite some time. They say they want a younger audience, Yet, here I am at 23 and wondering how much younger are they wanting?

    I’ve been having this love affair with Stargate for going 4 years now, I know that’s not as long as other here, but, that aside, I love the shows.

    SG-1 will forever be my favorite and Atlantis will always have that special allure of the unknown.

    What do they hope to accomplish by turning their backs on the hardcore superfans they already have? I don’t get it. It doesn’t make any sense. It’s like going to a resturant you know and love. You have a regular table, the “usual” food you eat, you’re friends with the people that work there–it’s comfortable. And then all of a sudden, you come in one day, and they’ve replaced all the familar faces you know and love with a younger group of people fresh out of diapers and frankly aren’t that friendly, because, face it, younger people these days arent as respectful as they should be.

    As you sit there in your regular table, with your “usual” food you eat and wonder “wtf?”

    All of a sudden, the food’s just not that good anymore and the table sucks.

  • Some of us knew it was really not about the ratings. Some feel betrayed because the creators went along with or were the reason they decided to cancel.

    I agree if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

    I will not ever watch SGU. I like SGA.

  • I loved the original Stargate movie with James Spader so I tuned into the Showtime series SG-1 back in the day to see if I would like it. I did not – for various reasons. However, when SGA came to the Sci-Fi channel with a new set of characters and plotline, I gave it a try and was hooked.

    I loved the chemistry between John and Rodney (think of a bantering Bob Hope and Bing Crosby). Add a cool sci-fi element and I was glued to my TV set. But in the last year with the addition of Dr. Keller (I love Jewel, hate the character of Keller), I have not been watching SGA as much. The show in my estimation gave us four good years of great writing and one bad year — 5th season — of craptastic writing and producing.

    Now, I am happy SGA got its required 5 years to do syndication deals, which means MGM will get money out of the back-end of the show, hopefully enough to produce SGA movies. I would enjoy SGA movies.

    But I wouldn’t enjoy SGA movies if they continued in the vein of the 5th season. SGA lost its appeal to me when it turned into Melrose Place in Space this past season by pushing Keller/McKay relationship down the viewer’s throats instead of just being a *science fiction* show about the good guys trying to defeat the bad guys in another universe. Really, I am just here for the guns, kick-ass aliens and explosions, guys. *g*

    As for Stargate Universe, (i.e. 90210/Voyager). I did not like ST: Voyager and see no reason why I would enjoy another incarnation of the same idea. Sorry, but even the talents of the actor from The Full Monty isn’t going to pull me in.

    The Stargate franchise ended with Atlantis for me and even if I had been willing to give Universe a chance with all the negative comments Brad Wright, Martin Gero and Joe Mallozzi had been posting about SGA fans and our opinions as of late, that has turned me off the entire frnachise so much they will be lucky if I purchase 5th season on DVD.

  • I hate the way Stargate Atlantis ended, but I am not going to judge Stargate Universe before I have seen the first couple of episodes.

    I thought Sanctuary started slow, but I am now hooked on Amanada Tapping’s new show.

    And as for SCIFI wanting a replacement for BSG – why would that be SGU, when Caprica – the prequel to BSG is in the works?

    I am going to wait until I see the pilot and a few episodes of SGU before I make any comment.

  • All SciFi does is cancel good shows and replace them with their own B/C rated movies. Nielsen use to send me the book to rate shows and I did and sent it back, but they have not sent me one in years. Who are they asking? So far from what Im hearing I dont like the plot of Universe. Well see.

  • The SCI FI channel also would just put reruns on to and people like me don’t want to see reruns they will just watch the new ones on a different channel and if you wanted to watch it in HD you had to watch it on another channel any way i just hope the realized that. If they wanted high ratings they should of started the new seasons first then every one would watch on their channel

  • i really dont believe half of what was said in this article. In my opinion, SGA was cancel because of the producers were tired of 40 episodes a year ( i belive that’s the reason why SG1 was cancel), they just prefer to keep the new show SGU instead of SGA. And because they wanted to save money… everything is about money these days. Why do you thing they are reinventing the Franchise with a darker Stargate with a younger cast?? money money money…

  • I havent decided if i’m gonna watch SGU… i’ve read good and bad things about it. The logical course of action for me is to at the very least, watch the pilot.

    However, i’ve watched the pilot of Sanctuary and i hated it, it was a pile of crap. But, i’ve also seen, by accident, and random episode of it, and i really liked it.

    My point is: the pilot of SGU could be very bad and it will force me to ignor the whole series altogether. Or the pilot could be very good and the rest of the series bad.
    Which makes my decision of wathing SGU hard

  • I think that Brad Wright has made a total hash of public relations with regards to SGU, and his arrogance as evidenced by the way he answered fan questions on Mallozzi’s blog totally turned me off.

    I hope we get the SGA movie we were promised, but I have no faith anymore in the Stargate PTB. Nor do I have the least interest in SGU. They wanted a ‘grittier’ show with a younger target audience, and they can certainly have both without my viewership.

    So long, Stargate. I loved you for many years, and I’ll miss you.

  • Puppets on a string, that’s what we are. It was good for the producers (Pockets that is), to put out Direct-to-DVD movies. So instead of giving us 45 minutes each week, they’ll give us ~2 hours every 6-8 months, and charge us $24.99 for that? Whatever!!! I’ll LMAO when the sales numbers come out. Remember we DO NOT have to be faithfull fans, and listen to Empty Promises.

  • If SGU is good, watch it. If SGU is rubbish, don’t watch it. Anyone saying “I won’t watch SGU” before it’s gone into production just because someone took their ball away by cancelling SGA is just a moron. It’s a TV show; get over it.

  • jonnyb57,

    Calling people ‘morons’ is hardly a conducive way to express your point of view. People have the right to choose whether or not they wish to watch a television show or movie based on their own personal preferences. Insults and name calling isn’t going to convince anyone to change their minds.

  • name calling isnt the way to go, in a agreement there. Just give SGU a chance. if i recall everyone was upset SG1 was ending and people were saying im not watching SGA. look how the tides of turned now everyone is downing SGU before even the whole cast has been selected. Give SGU a chance. i would hate to see the stargate franchise go down. Brad Wright needs to start listening to the public, we are the reason he has a job

  • I just think with them coming out with Universe there are just trying to milk as much as they can fro Starate. Just bring back Atlantis. Cause without SG-1 or Atlantis what show is there really to watch on Sc-Fi. I certainly don’t know of any. And about having 2 shows and on at the same time plus movies is crap. Just stop Universe and bring back Atlantis.

  • Of course Stargate Universe will be one of the biggest failures ever in television history. Both Stagate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis had great characters, villains, storylines and CGI. Stargate SG-1 was the best show in Sci-Fi ever, closely followed by SGA. Stargate Universe will only have great CGI. Who´s interested in immature brats in their early 20´s travelling the universe? This will prove to be an ill-fated move by everyone in powermaking position.

  • It really is unbelievable how they are canceling Atlantis now! I mean the series finale was so good! the show seemed to finally being coming into its own and being a successful standalone without relying on SG-1 for tie-ins as much. These exec’s really need to see that we love Atlantis just as much as SG-1 and taking it away is just going to disappoint the very people they rely on ratings for!! I know we are getting movies but keeping the series would have been better…. I am really mad they canceled it….

  • I have to agree with “missingShep”… when SGU fails they will realize they made a mistake by taking SGA off the air. They cannot keep pulling shows that have loyal followings and good ratings just to keep replacing it with another series….

  • There were some things in this article that hot my goat. First, the whole “branded by early critics” thing, it’s not like the show was branded before any info was released about it. It picked up those names when it was said that the main cast would be young, beautiful, and it further earned the title when the early character ideas were posted. A “doctor” who has little more than paramedic training. A guy who sound like a partying all the time stoner, for want of a better term, and worst of all, the politicians daughter who is only there because she whined about it? WTF is that? And they wonder why it’s being called those names?

    And sgu is going to be darker and different than the first two shows… it’s that light hearted-ish, slightly comedic feel to Atlantis and SG that people like. No one wants to watch a show where bad crap happens all the time. the occasional overcoming adversity episode is great! But to have that every single week… that would get very old very fast!

    And it sounds like they’re calling it stargate universe just because people have been hearing the word stargate for the last several years. Like the title is just there to draw in the fans of the franchise even though we clearly don’t matter anymore. They don’t want us… but yet they don’t want us moving to another show either.

    And third, I must know what is so bad about being a basic cable series with a loyal fanbase? Especially when that loyal fanbase is all over the world and has more members than most people can count without a calculator! That whole phrase “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” should be applied here. Aside from a few not so great episodes (brain storm was terrible!!) this season, the last five years of Atlantis were awesome!
    Why change the whole idea of the SG franchise? it’s doing well where it is… what needs to be done is we need to have a rating system that counts Tivo’d episodes and episodes watched in other means.
    This is upsetting and I for one won’t be tuning into universe.

    One last thing… I suppose they’re keeping the friday night spot. Have they stopped to realize that the audience they’re shooting for aren’t sitting in front of a TV on Friday nights? That is the age where parties, clubs and friends mean a heck of alot more than a tv show. If Tivo isn’t counted… they’ll have a rating of maybe 5%… if that many of the current fans tune in.

    Then TPTB will be asking the question we’ve been asking since we got word of sgu… “That is what they’re cancelling SGA for!?”

  • I agree whole heartly with the comments made by Zamiel. Ive said all along they should have run the 2 show tohether, to allow us to get to used to it. I was gutted when SG1 ended but at least I now had SGA watch. This whole thing is a betrayal of fans, and its just £ & $ dollar signs. With all due respect I dont care about USA ratings as I live in the UK so what about the world wide ratings?? take it, that they dont have ANY bearing on things.

    I know some poeple wont agree but I have no interest whats so ever of giving SGU chance its simple, I feel let down by Cooper/Wright yes their brillant with what they have done so far.

    BUT this has just been done WRONG!!!!. I enjoy watching SGA weekly not waiting for a DVD movie now again, which as usual means that FANS have to dig in their pockets and buy which we will, so again back to the £ & $ thats what this all comes down in my opinion.

    Oh and by the way I’m an oldie (43) so SGU isnt aimed at me and Ive seen the story line of SGU in a old show called Space 1999, lets see moon blasted from orbit they are stuck on moon base alpha unable to get back to earth, unable to change the route and if they get off they only have a limited time as the moon passes by.

    SGU HAS been done BEFORE Space 1999 meets Voyager with a touch teen crap thrown in for good measure. I have really come to love SGA dare I say more than SG1 and as silly as it sounds I’m SO UPSET that its been stopped. But nothing we as fans say is gonna make a bloody bit of diffence, so I just have to accept the fact that “R I P Stargate” an look forward to any SGA an SG1 movies and lets hope for more SGA books the new story books are great but it would also be nice for books based on the episodes as a book can take time to go into more detail but thats a whole other story. We get to see the last ep tonight in the UK so its actually a sad day :-(

  • It’s pretty stupid to take a show like Stargate Atlantis which has nowhere to go but up to Stargate 90210 aka SGU which has nowhere to go but down. There is an intrinsic basic non understanding of Stargate fans; they are loyal, dependable, family oriented folks who have welcomed the Atlantis actors into their homes, and the storyline has become integrated into the family atmospheres. The stupidity comes in when you treat these millions of loyal SGA fans as if they were attention deficit disordered entertainment prostitutes that can be herded at a corporate whim like a pack of lemmings. The SG1 or SGA fans dont CARE about seeing a brand new crew; they _care_ about the *existing* Atlantis actors and crew, and are willing to fight for them; a willingness, I might add, that was completely nonexistent in Brad Wright’s actions with MGM and his responses to the Atlantis/SG1 fanbase. Where was the fight to preserve the Atlantis actors jobs? The Atlantis crew’s jobs? Where was the fight and concern for the welfare of the Atlantis fanbase? Answer: there wasn’t any. BW is touted as a leader of the franchise? With leaders like that, who needs enemies?

  • With all the years Stargate has been on SciFi, and with all the fans telling you that you made a mistake. I don’t understand why you canceled the series. Don’t the fans mean anything to your company?

  • Money talks (in this case quite loud). Remember, it’s important for the producers to to come up with Feature Length shows at least once in their miserable lives. (and it’s good for their pockets). So damn with the weekly shows and make shows like Young People F!@#$, oh wait, probably that was where the idea for Stargate Universe was born.

  • I’m a newer fan of the Stargate World. I only watch SGA because my husband got me into it and I love it! I tried watching SG1 real late in the season’s but it to me was nothing like what I love about SGA. I’m really going to miss the show and my favorite characters. The interesting and exciting story lines and battles with the Wraith. I’m going to give SGU a chance, but if it’s too different then I probably won’t like it, but we’ll see. I think it was too soon to pull the plug on such a great cast. This better not be the end to SGA, I expect to see some movies.

  • Hey I love Startgate Atlantis so much it’s way better. if the world not watch it much not need canlled it. Just keep going and thinking of half of world feeling. it’s like u not care about our feeling.

  • I have DVD all of them Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis as well. I will keeping buying each time new come. I want see stargate never end just keep going.

  • Makes me so sad.. I loved the show and it’s like the only good SciFi show that was still getting new episodes..
    Now just silly things like Ghost Hunters etc, which I just find plain boring..

    I loved Stargate SG-1.. Till Denmark screwed up the sending hours, moving it from 20:00 in the evening, till 05:00 in the night in the end.. I still kept watching it at the point though, but when Richard Dean Anderson left the show I kinda lost interest in it.

    Didnt watch Stargate Atlantis for a long while after it got out, mostly due to the fact that Denmark + SciFi = Fail.. But when I finally started watching it I was hooked, loved the show!
    Going to miss it sooo much.. It had so much potential left in it, for seasons to come!

    I loved the show, was my light in the dark looking forward to the next episode.

    Meh, words cant describe how I feel.. I’m just sad..

    The movies will come, but meh… Aint the same.. Unless they come out on montly basics.

  • I cant beleive how many people are unhappy with the concept of SGU and the cancelation of SGA “OH YES I CAN ACTUALLY”

    Its because SGU idea sucks and cancelling of SGA SUCKS!!!!!!

    I said this before and I’ll say it again they should have run both shows back to back!!!!!!!!!

    I’m sure when SG1 was cancelled there was a lot of protest, I was not aware of GateWorld and have only recently started using mainly because I found out through a friend they had stopped SGA and I still cant beleive how gutted I am, maybe I should go out an get a life but the fact of the matter is I LIKE SCI FI.

    Finding Gateworld has at least let me voice my utter disgust at what they have done to the Stargate Franchise. I was alway looking forward to SGA as we knew about the Search for Atlantis through SG1, so it was welcomed when it finally came, again the same point I keep making is that I still had SG1 to watch. Why couldnt we have had SGA/SGU and still had SG1/SGA movies there was more than enough scope with good wrirting. If you just look at some of the SGA paper backs Mirror Mirror and Blood Ties what great story lines for a movies or Eps, Im still reading through the 12 books. If you were running out of ideas or good writters then go look at the paper backs or even some of the fan fiction.

    The sci fi channel in the UK is awlful an I realy watch it coz its not science fiction anymore, SGA/SG1 dont even get shown on this channel we have the shows on Sky1. Whereas the Sci Fi channel just shows films like Robin Hood Prince of bloody theives and shows like Eli Stone WTF have these got to do with Sci FI your guess is as good mine!!!!!

    I would rather watch constant reruns of SG1/SGA that ever give SGU a chance. If I wanted to watch BSG I would, I loved ST Voyager and still watch old shows on Virgin. I saw the final SGA last nite it was good I enjoyed it but why could they have at least given us a 2 hour ep again SCREW the SGA fans “a” Brad/Cooper!!!!

    I really dont know where this leaves the fanchise, I for one WONT be watching SGU and dont even care if turns out to be a great show a ” HIT”, its a matter of principle now, you cant treat fans like this and expect them to go ” oh ok” well maybe if your kiddies watching then I guess its a whole differnt ball game.

    But just to make a point my nephew is 10 and he has just started to discover and SG1/SGA and guess what? loves it, HES 10 is that young enough for Sci Fi/MGM/ Brad/wright!!!! cronnies.

    He dosent need to see cheer leader party girl type, no as he is sensible enough to think “hey this is good” as it as. Yes maybe some of the plot lines go over his head a little. BUT its a whole new generation of a fan. Frankly I would rather let my 10 year nephew write a script for SGU as I think he’s do a better job.

    Its just be done SO Badly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • First of all, great article it was interesting. I will be happy to admit I always DVR Stargate and any show because commericals are getting out of hand. Which is one of the reasons they don’t know how to measure shows that are recorded because if they tell their sponsers hey, 3 million people are watching but 2.5 million of them are recording the show so they don’t have to watch the commericals will result in losing sponers.

  • I still don’t know about this new show…even when all the jokes are done I get worried when they talk about bringing in a new audience. Shows have tried that in the past in the process they alienate their core audience. Like you said, when people see Stargate they pretty much have made up their mind after 12 years if they are going to watch it or not…regardless of what title is listed after Stargate.

  • Yes those are reasons, or you could spell out the truth.

    The show was cancelled because it sucked. You can try and cover that fact with as many reasons as you like, but thats the truth. Deal with it.

  • I will always miss sga and im not going to watch sgu i just read the new character break downs and some spoilers i guess thats what they sounded like and honestly it sounds like stargate gossip girl what they hell are they starting to create a show and use reclycled plots. oh dear that is all i have to say and good luck to sgu.

  • Im Super pissed about The Atlantis Cancellation. I hope the movies are full of action and humor, no romance s##t. I hope someday scifi and mgm would realize that they had made a mistake. I never watch or seen SG-1. But Atlantis caught my eyes and thats how I became Fan. And now what the hell am I going to watch..

  • I think SGU is gonna have a long, hard haul. SGA had SG-1 as a lead-in for 2 years before the reins were passed to them. SGU won’t have that. I, personally, will only give them the first couple episodes and if it doesn’t pull me in… Sorry, but I’m having a really hard time NOT feeling angry over the cancellation of SGA.

    Now, as for their excuses for why it was “a good time to cancel”… How can they think it would be best for selling SGA movies to cancel the show while it’s doing so well when the SG-1 movies did so well, even after having been cancelled for a few years? Makes no sense.

    I just hope that — should SGU tank — they’re smart enough to bring back ATLANTIS.

  • Stargate Atlantis hadn’t scratched the surface
    of shows they could have done and never left the city.
    They could have found more high tech stuff then you and I could imagine.
    O well, I guess all people want now is crap to watch.
    Car chases people being killed in mass.

  • I try to always be even-handed and read this article with interest. Ratings have changed and the 2.0+ of the “good old days” have gone; likewise, moving to movies (as SG-1 has done) will allow SG1, Atlantis, et al, to spend the money they would like to on effects and “big” stories they couldn’t tell in 40mins per week. I liked the SG1 movies and I’m sure the Atlantis ones will be popular as well.
    It’s the timing of the execution (no pun intended)that is the problem; it would have been far better to run Atlantis for Season 6 so it overlapped with Universe starting on a high-note, the cancellation of Atlantis would have been much better received had this been done with the emphasis on Atlantis moving to movies “but you’ve still got a series to watch” in Atlantis Season 6 or even 7.
    David Howe, Brad Wright et al claimed that a) Altantis wasn’t cancelled to make way for Universe, b) that Sci-fi series only run for 5 years anyway and c) that they were aiming for a younger demographic – a trio of catastrophic statements to make.
    It is up to the individual to decide if they believe a)or not. My opinion may be inferred; but b) was disastrous for Universe before it even gets started. MGM/Sci-fi were like a bank that promoted a wonderful product to us – and it was great. We were loyal (and profitable) for 5 years then Mr Howe essentially admits the accountants fled to Rio with the money, but no matter, because there’s another great product called Universe, which will do great – except its “policy” to cancel a show after 5 years, regardless of how great its doing…would you invest in that same bank that wanted you to devote another 5 years of your time to a product whilst pre-emptively admitting the accountant was going to flee to Rio in 2014?! Me neither. It may be only “an hour a week” but its all time the viewer will never get back and that they could spend with their spouse, kids, and friends. Why invest your time, energy and support in getting into and behind a show you love if no matter how well it does it will be cancelled in 5 years?
    The most foolish thing was the “younger demographic” – as an “only 35″ yr old fan of Stargate from SG1 Season 1 episode 1, I find that personally insulting, and I bet many others do too. The thing is, “the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world”. It is we, the loyal, long time fans Mr Howe and Mr Wright are so eager to cast off, that inform the younger generation – our younger siblings, children, students, etc., are the ones who take notice of what we say, what we do – and what we watch. They begin to watch certain shows because they see us enjoying them. How many of these “younger viewers” do you think are going to be encouraged to watch Stargate Universe by slightly older friends/family right now? Yes, exactly.
    I shall watch Stargate Universe and give it a fair crack of the whip – to do anything else would be churlish, but I certainly won’t be “recommending” the show to anyone any more; the “reimagined Battlestar” is technically brilliant and emotionally soulless – in terms of hope and encouragement and the unity of humanity in adversity, the “cheesy original” wipes the floor with it. I fear the “darker” Universe will be more of the same unpleasantness, and I certainly hope to see many more Sg-1 and Atlantis movies, because unhappily I suspect that is where the real Stargate universe will exist from now on.

  • I loved Atlantis, I dont see why it should have been cancelled all to be honest, it was a great show =( I have high hope for Universe tho, if it’s anything like SG-1 and Atlantis, then it should be good.

  • Brad Wright said, “…significantly higher ratings would certainly have changed the discussion,” but, as they are not measuring ratings accurately in this modern age of DVRs and internet viewing, the idiots probably had more than enough ratings for at least another season, so I’m not buying their excuses…! :(

  • Atlantis was cut WAAAAAAAAAY before it’s time. I find it stupid that Brad Wright cut it off to concentrate on his new toy. I want it back.

  • You know sth, it’s just digusting how this all panned-out since SG-1 (sans R.D. Anderson) The original series was good enough that it still held together even after he left and most people knew the series was closing off this chapter. Then came SGA, and it had a similar feel as SG-1 but the acting and many of the stories were unbelievable even for Sci-fi! -as if everyone was laughing about the story except the actors that take themselves and their roles so seriously. But what the series reall-y needed all along was better writing/scripts I was so Stargate deprived that I watched each show week after week, but was disappointed that I only saw mild improvement and then enter Amanda Tapping (whom I love as Sam Carter!) and I was a little excited again, but she was hardly on the show long before they replaced her and introduced the new commander of SGA all in one episode WTF?
    It is mind-boggling how you can screw a show up like this one when the characters hadn’t even explored 1/25 of Atlantis AND had the ability to go “off-world” like with SG-1; even the ability to walk back on the old SG1 sets through some clever writing. Still the plots were laborious as I fought to stay interested and the-n.. Eureka! The last episode cliff-hanger when “new” aliens are introduced they bust into SGA and take what they want effortlessly and Michael Shanks even assists in the 2 episodes. THAT was the quality I had grown to expect from the SG series and it gave me hope -may-be it was back, interesting writing, good plots and then? F’in nuthin! WTF?

    Now it’s SGU? Are you kidding? You go from a giant frakin city with access to most anywhere else to trapping a bunch of “un-equipped people” on a “dying” Ancient ship not designed for occupants?? Oooh Wow. The only character that even resembles someone in the previous SG series is the chubby, computer geek. Everyone else feels like the actors that didn’t make it onto the BSG series. You’ve got the untrustable smart guy, and the leader of the ship and couple loyal soldiers and the one soldier that did sth bad that the writers always leave as a mystery (as if I’m so dying to know about his crime *sigh* *yawwwn*)

    I feel cheated, really I’ve gone from being disappointed to being more disappointed. With SGU I feel like the powers that be have dumped their audience out into the tail-end of the entire SG series and the only credit I can give the writers is that they explored a link of the Ancients that hadn’t been explored yet with the ship that is supposed to deposit stargates on various worlds and how this series somewhat ended-up as a prequel.Umm, question this is what the entire show is based on??? I never watched SG to see f’in people’s detailed relationships, WTF? Just think how many depressed, fat, Sci-fi geeks you have now that the writers entered an emotional conflict between the studdly soldier who got the only young good-looking chick that the computer geek was all hot for. And now what will they do, switch it like a soap-opera and make “chubby” get the girl in the end? heh.. this isn’t SG… I’m sorry I feel heavy from watching all this cheap drama. you know already what the first 20 episodes are going to be like, if not the whole series “will they die, or will they live?” “to be continued” ooooh-ahhhh ..barf -I’m watching this crap, but I gotta tell you, besides throwing us a bone with some of the original SG members I’m hating this new format..just thinking out loud but, I-I thought you watch Sci-fi to ESCAPE reality.

  • People, people, people, are you listening to yourselves. Most of you praise Atlantis and what fan site has people writing in to say they don’t like it as they are doing here? I would swear these ‘not liking’ people are just new to viewing and if the series continued they would change their minds like we all have at one point or another. The cancellation was of not because of lack of interest but because of lack of kids or younger viewers having access to higher charged cable channels. Usually the parents are the ones who decide if the U.S. ‘SCI-FI’ IS PAID FOR. In Canada we have the ‘SPACE CHANNEL’ and it is an easy pick in the Tier1, 2 or 3 package (still higher priced than basic cable but not much). I am talking Shaw cable, I appoligize to satellite subscribers. Canadians have to pay for something called ‘Movie Central’ to get upto date Atlantis season 5 as it was broadcasted. ‘Movie Central’ consists of 3 channels for $9 or $10 a month or $120 a year which consists of 20% of recently big screened movies and some U.S. shows such as Star Gate Atlantis. There was as much as a year to year and half delay between seasons on the ‘Space Channel’ and this tries the patience of the most die hard fans and loses interest in the casual viewers. Year and a half of random repeat episodes also loses the seasons story line and only the die hard fan can follow where to pick up what the show was trying to put down. Strangely enough they only did this exclusive U.S. first for a year ‘thing’ for season 4 and 5 of Atlantis. That is why the big wigs who juggle production numbers are trying to get the interest of older people because they pay the bills and no one else. If successful, then the writers can be again deliteful with their whitty banter between characters and fast paced science of imagination like they used to. Young minds need to be in a whirl wind of splendid spark and sizzle to be entertained. The SG Universe is full of wonder but by it’s slow pace just seems to drag on and on ie: 2 episodes to find water or 2 more to find power. There also seems to be a lot of loose ends that never seem to tie together ie: what was that thing that came off the ship in the first or second episode or how did the time paradox get resolved when they could not find an antidote to the virus in episode 7 or 8. I appoligize for not really knowing the episode titles or numbers. To be honest I’ll watch the show but I miss solutions explainations made by Samatha Carter or Rodney McKay. That really sent your mind away to another universe. In conclusion and if I may be so bold, if the big three such as NBC, CBS or ABC picked up and started producing any of these shows you would see a big viewer fan base like the days of “The Six Million Dollar Man” or dare I say it, “Star Trek-TNG”. Wow, wouldn’t that be sweet!!!!

  • I still dont understand why atlantis didnt have good viewing. We had to sign up on the net to be able to watch it from america cause there was alaways the bloody six month wait for it to be aired in britain. I love the american scifi shows. best thing on TV. It would be great if it could end properly and not leave it on a cliff hanger. if it a movie fair play but another season would be better. definatly would be better than that universe rubbish!

  • We are two very disappointed UK fans of Stargate Atlantis & SG 1, how could you finish a brilliant series as Atlantis!!! We have watched the new series of Stargate Universe and try as we might we could not connect with it – dreary comes to mind, would it not have made sense to ask fans what their thoughts were about cancelling shows, rather than be driven by pure commercial financial gain in the short term.

  • Focusing more on the characters means focusing less on the plot and on science. Science fiction is mainly about science and plot – if you want a show primarily about characters then go watch a soap opera or a chick flick. Instead of Dr McKay hooking his laptop into an Ancient control panel via fiber optics and manipulating physics in another dimension, we have a motley collection of military grunts and college drop outs looking for lime to hook into a carbon dioxide scrubber. Its not quite the same, is it? It lacks a certain pizazz. I know this is meant to be an ancient Ancient ship, but really – a carbon dioxide scrubber based on passing the air through a canister of goop rather than some kind of miraculous direct molecular manipulation – who are they kidding? If they want to to do Stargate Dallas, put it on a different channel. The only good thing about this series so far has been the few brief sightings of a badly underutilised Lou Diamond Philips.

  • I know someone probably addressed this already in the many posts that have been added over the past year. But I am a newbie to Stargate TV. I remember seeing the original Roland Emmerich movie, but never caught on to the tv shows because I was too busy. Now I am catching up with Atlantis.

    It seems to be a good call to cancel, because with so many story lines playing out simultaneously the brand might start eating itself and becoming less profitable therefore less sustainable over the long term.

    And I would like to see some more Feature Films.

    It appears that they have a lot of life in this idea.

  • So it’s 2013. I just watched the last episode of Season 5 of my box set again. I reflected back to 2008. I was DISGUSTED with the Scifi channel killing Farscape. I had just gotten into Atlantis as a worthy replacement. I really enjoyed the cast and the chemistry. AND WHAT DO THEY DO??? THEY KILL IT, TOO! BRAVO, to the MORONS of the SCIFI channel. “Universe” sucked! I wish they’d bring Atlantis back. Contrary to the many of these opinions, I thought the cast had great chemistry; I felt the writing was fantastic! I think David Hewlett is one of the best actors I ever saw on television. What a loss to us all. Kill the great shows, and put on D grade, kill-me-now-theyre-so-stupid movies.


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