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Atlantis movie shelved ‘indefinitely’

Sunday - December 26, 2010

Flanigan admits he feels there was never a "serious level of intent" in making an Atlantis-based film.

With news coming in last week that MGM (the studio that owns the Stargate TV franchise) has completed its bankruptcy restructuring and securing $500 million in new financing (story), the next big question is just which of Stargate‘s three series will get attention first — and in what medium.

In a new Q&A with fans on his blog, executive producer Joseph Mallozzi offers his take on where things currently stand for the future of Stargate Universe, the Atlantis movie, and beyond.

Mallozzi was clear that the end of SGU does not mean that time and money has now been freed up to put the Atlantis film into production.  Mallozzi co-wrote the script for Stargate: Extinction with Paul Mullie after the movie was first announced following SGA‘s cancellation in 2008.

“I’m sorry to say but the cancellation puts the brakes on whatever progress the SGA movie had made in the past month, shelving it indefinitely,” he said. “… Contrary to what some may think, the cancellation of SGU is very bad news for those looking forward to an Atlantis movie.”

Mallozzi didn’t speak to the next planned movie for the SG-1 team, tentatively titled Stargate: Revolution.  Executive producer Brad Wright had reportedly been working on securing the go-ahead for that film before MGM entered bankruptcy this fall.

He also said that a fourth television series in the franchise is not on the table at this point.  “A new Stargate series isn’t even being considered,” he said.  “… There are no plans to create or move forward on a new series.  We love the one we have now.”

The producers of SGU hope that Destiny's mission is not over yet.

That, of course, means that the producers still hope to find a way to finish SGU‘s storyline.  Mallozzi echoed Wright’s sentiments on this point (story).  “All options are being considered at this point, but a third season would be ideal,” Mallozzi said.  “We’re investigating all possible avenues.”

The Destiny sets will remain standing until all avenues have been exhausted, he said.

He said that, while the show’s ratings this season haven’t been good, the cancellation decision was surprising in its abruptness.  “Those early Season Two ratings were admittedly a downer.  The move to Tuesday night was not good for us (and, speaking to the franchise as a whole, the move from summer to fall did us no favors either) and I firmly believe that time-shifted viewing and internet downloads have bled off a significant portion of our younger, tech-savvy audience.

“Still, we held out hope and, as production continued on Season Two, positive word from various places gave us hope that the show would come back for, at the very least, a third and final season (much the same way Battlestar did).  Many of us were shocked by the abruptness of the cancellation decision.”

Read the full Q&A at Joseph Mallozzi’s blogStargate Universe returns with its final 10 episodes on Syfy this spring.




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  • I kept saying it over and over again cause I knew this would be the case. SG:U was a big revenue flow for the producers and for MGM. Now, without that revenue, the ability to try and make all those Stargate movies is going down the drain. Who knows now if there’s even the possibility of making the SG-1 movie now but I wouldn’t be surprised if it never seens the light of day. I would, however be extremely sad and disappointed as I am now…just not at all surprised.

  • Thats how it sounded to me as well. A very sad day for Stargate. 16 years of history.

  • THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE CANCELED ATLANTIS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!! Look what you have done now. Atlantis was a much better show, had an established fan base, cheaper to make and had better ratings than SGU! Now because of their abysmal decision we are left with nothing.

  • I don’t think that either Mallozzi or Wright ever had any intention of making either movie. Now that their “baby” is dead, all they’re interested in is revenge. So, they’re taking all their toys and going home so that no one can play with them.

  • And now the Atlantis fanatics who were boycotting SGU get a taste of their own medicine. Well done boys.

  • I’ve watched Stargate from the very start and loved every minute of it. Stargate Universe was very different from the other two, but still a great show. Whilst it would be great to get the two scheduled films AND the third season of SGU, I’ll take whatever we can get at this point. If we can get even one of the films or some form of closure for Stargate Universe, then I’ll be happy!

  • @kvasirdor
    For the majority of SG1 and SGA fans, the franchise ended with SGA’s cancellation. Why should we watch a show that we don’t like and has none of the qualities of the previous shows that made us want to tune each week. Would you watch a show you didn’t like? Stop blaming us for stargate’s downfall. Blame TPTB for making the wrong decisions!!

  • It was already clear before SGU even started, that a SGA movie would never be made. So nothing really changed.

    I also don’t believe that there will be a SG1 movie. Too much time has past. It is too late for it.

    And SGU won’t get a 3rd season or a movie, because it was a huge failure. From a business point of view it just doesn’t make any sense to invest in a failed series. The ratings were simply horrible.

    So in short, I think SG1, SGA and SGU are dead. We won’t see anymore of them on TV.

    I just hope that the Stargate franchise will be revived sometime in the future with new PTB with fresh ideas.

  • SG1 was great, Atlantis may have been better. SGU was/is terrible. I only watched it out of loyalty to the franchise. But it’s like they can’t take a hint, these guys. Everyone wants to know where the SGA movie is. They don’t want more SGU. Take a hint!

  • I just don’t understand why you people are too aggressive to each other. Well i’ve been a fan of the franchise since 1998 and i like all its incarnations, it’s not fair to pull down all of it just because don’t like a particular series or movie.
    SG1 and SGA are good series, but also SGU. If you are a true Fan you must support the franchise, why? Because of the franchise is successful the chances of getting the movies done is much much greater.

  • The camaraderie, humor, playful sense of adventure, general optimism, patriotism, clever and often subtle industry self satire, good production values, decent character development of people with laudable characters, the really impressive capacity to switch from satire to “seriousness” (in the context of the show) that made Stargate SG1 such a pleasure, was, sadly, lacking in it’s descendent “SG Universe” ; may I suggest the original show be reconstituted ?
    I have read that the principals, the producers / writers, wanted to attempt something more serious; if I wanted depressive verisimilitude I would re-read Sartre or Dostoevsky; no thanks; I’m too old for that stuff. Worse, SGU was poor soap opera, full of unpleasant people doing unlikable things.
    Clearly the writers of SG1 know their movie culture; might I suggest they re-watch “Sullivan’s Travels” ?
    They had mastered Space Opera, and in the process brought to it social consciousnesses (the anti-slavery theme) and smart writing on religion, science, pop-culture, politics and sociology; all done in a way that gave depth to good old-fashioned escapism. And that’s what I’d like more of .
    SG1, with as much of the original cast as you can, again. Please.

  • SG1 was the best, SGA was very good but not quite as good because of some of the plot lines, SGU since the back half of season 1 and most of season 2 has been good.

    The simple fact of the matter is that nobody has made wrong decisions, the audience has simply not been enough to justify a t.v. show for stargate. The ratings for both later SGA and SGU were not at all good.

    I highly doubt we will see any movie as the sets no longer exist. SGU does not have the audience it would need to get any sort of closure.

    Most likely Stargate is gone from the air until a reboot many years in the future.

  • If anything, we are going to see a SG-1 movie before Atlantis or even a SGU movie now. SG-1 has been around the longest and is the most popular among the fans. SGA and SGU were both canceled due to poor ratings, SG-1 has a full 10 seasons and ended when the producers ended the show rather than having it pulled do to poor ratings.

  • It’s funny, I can’t remember if David or Darren said it in a podcast awhile back, but someone said the fan base can’t survive another rift (ala Jonas). Sadly, I think that is just what has happened and it’s the fault of TPTB unfortunately. At least Jonas is still liked as a character overall, but SGU is almost universally loathed (or loved by a small faction who seem to hate the old shows).

    I don’t hate SGU, as I haven’t watched enough of it (I quite after the pilot), but it’s funny to watch the fall out.

  • I love it. The Atlantis fanatics dish out all the hatred and venom against TPTB and the franchise because of SGU, and now that everyone is mutually screwed from seeing a Stargate future, they continue to bash everyone but themselves. Way to be classy folks!

    Look, I’ve said it before, and I’m saying it now– I LOVED SG-1 pre-season 9 the best, but I continued watching because in spite of the changes it was a great plot and show. I watched and loved Atlantis for the same reason. It was different and yet the same. The last season of Atlantis was incredibly rushed, and you can see it clearly if you take off the rose-colored glasses and accept reality. The ratings were falling off and was destined for cancellation as well if they hadn’t wrapped things up somehow.

    Now, I watched SGU because it was different, and in spite of it’s lack of similarity and a lot of inconsistencies, I still enjoyed it and where it seemed to be heading. I think the show could still be salvaged if they’d pick up the pace and added some action/comedy back into it. It doesn’t have to be SG1/SGA, but something a little closer would go a long way.

    However, the bigger picture point here is that those of you spewing venom against TPTB and the fans with dissenting opinions is disgraceful. You really need to learn to be respectful and constructive with your criticism.

  • (See how this works, folks? I say I enjoy the show but wish TPTB would make some changes to improve the show. I leave open the possibility of being more specific in future posts, but I do so without biting the hands that feed me.)

  • I’ve said before that I am not that big of an SGA fan myself (SG-1 all the way), but the way TPTB handled the whole situation with SGA and SGU (from the beginning) is reprehensible and inexcusable. The main venom being spewed has always been from TPTB themselves when they would trash talk their own fanbase and try to devalue them. Then they went on to say that it was the fans’ obligation to support the franchise regardless of whether they liked what was being produced or not. I think they have gotten what’s coming to them.

    If it’s the end of Stargate, it’s been a good run.

  • GT2L, I respect your position, but you have to understand that TPTB will never ever listen to what you have to say because they don’t care what the fans think. If they did, the franchise would be in a very different (better) place today. It’s sad to say, but it’s true unfortunately.

    No offense meant, but I think the whole COTG: Final Cut sums up the direction of the franchise quite nicely. It was something that didn’t need to be fixed or changed, but money that could have been put into another SG project was thrown at that for vanities sake.

    I see that as what has happened to the franchise in general. Ego and vanity has totally taken over, and TPTB think all their own ideas are brilliant. Sadly, the gate has pretty much already closed.

  • I’m a Stargate fan. I’ve watched all three shows. I’ve seen how the SGU haters have actively pushed for the cancellation of SGU. I’ve seen how some fans hoped that SGU would be cancelled in the deluded belief that their beloved SGA would be resurrected. Well folks here you go. I’ve said it many times in these comment sections. If you’re fan of Stargate support it. Don’t actively try to tear it down. Maybe you got what you wanted. Hope you’re happy. I’m sure some of you are. Fine you didn’t like SGU. I can deal with that but the constant whining from certain SGA fans has gotten beyond old. SGA was a good show. It had a good five years. Guess what though it wasn’t doing great in the ratings and was on the road to cancellation regardless. The producers decided to try something new and yes it was not a success for many reasons. You can QQ about it all you want but that doesn’t change the fact that all Stargate fans will be losing out if SGU does not continue in some form.

    If you want to see Stargate continue. Go buy SGU DVDs, SGA DVDs, and SG1 DVDs. Buy them for yourself. Give them as gifts to friends. Download from iTunes. If MGM sees there’s still money to made then Stargate will live on.

  • I just wish they come up with a way to finish of the SGU storyline properly. I’d hate if the entire series was left unresolved.

  • Who’s he kidding? We’ve all known for a very long time that the movies would never be made, especially the Atlantis movie, no matter what happened with SGU. Trying to link the two is just Malozzi’s way of getting another little dig in at the fans he has such ill-disguised contempt for. SGU was tedious at best and I couldn’t even make it through the first season; those of you who wag a finger at us and cluck that we should have been loyal little Stargate groupies and watched it anyway have way too much time on your hands. It’s a TV show, not a cult.

  • DONT BLAME THE OLD FANS BLAME THE WRITERS !!!

    sgu main failure was the first 10 episodes of pure slow soap drama and thats the main part where you collect viewers

    if you take a book to read , do you finnisht the book if the first 20 pages of it is all depressive and so on ? it is the same thing with tv show’s

    i dont count in the raitings cause i dont live in US where the channel is and is viewable so dont blame the old fans and so on if the show was on the channel what wanted it do be canceled in the first place … it’s a limited access channel and u need to have some device that counts your viewing and the channel made choices like moving it to fall and then to competition with other verry popular shows with the tuesday night

    the writers dont care about the show either … otherwise they would have ended the SGA show with a movie and made the ending what show deserved like sg1 got 2 movies to end the story … now they have 2 shows without proper ending

  • LOL, Mallozzi is funny. Reading his words, you get the feeling that the SGA movie was doing so much progress – it’s been shelved for two years now, so what changed? Exactly nothing. I’m a huge SGA fan but, honestly, I stopped expecting to see the movie made around summer 2009.

    And I love the “We love the show we have now” thing. All he had to add was a huff and some feet stomping. Seriously, that’s the difference between SG and BSG’s TPTB. Caprica got canceled -> TPTB immediately came up with an alternative. SGU got canceled -> TPTB refuse to even consider moving on. It’s their own ego what’s killing the franchise.

  • charmedstargate | December 26 @ 11:28 pm – I totally agree with you…

    Still, I am hoping for at least one of the movies to be made, SG-1 or SGA… Until they kill the idea completely, I will kepp on hoping :)

  • @sgfan: Please, before you start talking about ratings and about how SGA was headed towards cancellation anyway, please, check your facts. You’re talking nonsense. Based on what you’re saying, SGU would have to have been canned before S2.0 even started because SGU’s S1.5 was on par with SGA’s S5.1.

  • You know, I’m starting to understand how Briangate feels, repeating the same thing over and over again without being heard.

    SGA WAS NOT CANCELED BECAUSE OF POOR RATINGS, sheesh on a pogo stick!

    Before you start talking ratings, check the numbers! I follow them avidly and it drives me up the wall when people mangle them!

  • First of all, I think it is quite logical. It is nothing to do with revenge. Simply SGA momentum has faded, and with proper TV series in the air it is hard to release just DVD movies. To not to give wrong impression – I loved SG-1 and SGA for what it was – happy going adventure fun (altough last SGA seasons were dark indeed), and I love SGU cause of being what it is – human drama with very long story arcs. And I would like to have SGA proper wrapup in a form of movie.

    However, at this moment is is quite clear that producers want to finish SGU story. Before crying foul, I would remind that it is the same producers/writers who brought you SG-1/SGA. Again, I like all shows – and I love SGU just because it is so different from SG-1 and SGA. So I’m guilty now because I like it (with other aprox. 2 mil. people)? Ideally I would like to have both SGA and SGU on air. But it was impossible.

    I just try to understand all the hate going around SGU. Didn’t you get your 10 years fix of happy ending adventure?

  • @katikatnik is there rating numbers for SGA last season? Honestly, I just wanna check.

    SGA was canceled because SyFy didn’t want two expensive shows from outside. They already did BSG in-house.

    As for producers decision going on with SGU instead of SGA, well, it was difficult one, but in second season of SGU it makes sense now. SGA ratings would decline for sure. I’m ready to bet that they would struggle with live ratings on Tuesdays too.

  • Stargate is over, for now. All great franchises stall after a while. Even mightier ones like Star trek and Dr Who. You are only as good as your current series and SGU isnt very good. Its too slow, and the drama isnt good enough to compensate for the pacing. Adult drama that is good, works, SGU just doesnt.

    Let the franchise rest for a while and bring it back. Lets just hope it doesn’t die in obscurity in the meanwhile.

  • @danjack
    There is not some pot of money somewhere ringfenced for sg projects, each is approved based on its own merits. Cotg final cut will have had absolutely no bearing on the other sg movies as its cost was probably a drop in the water compared to the cost of making a new sg film from scratch.
    If anything, it would prove that there is still money to be made from sg. If people will buy a re engineered version of the pilot, there is a good chance there will buy a new film.

  • I liked all three shows, but SGU is my favourite.
    It was kind of a mix of Stargate and BattlestarGallactica.
    SG-1 and to some extent Atlantis were getting a little tedious with the same formula every week, but the writers managed to squeak a little something new into each episode(most of the time) to keep things interesting.
    I am (I guess it is going to be “was” now) enjoying the long story arcs and the more gritty realistic characters. The first few episodes had me hooked as the people tried explore and make life livable aboard Destiny.
    Then we had a few episodes that were a bit to soapy and destiny almost forgotten… then we got back to some serious story telling in season 2 and things were looking up…. until now.
    Overall, I liked that it was a different feel of the stargate world and not another “lets milk the same thing over and over” as so many spin offs of good shows do.
    It was much easier to picture yourself being stuck on Destiny and what would you do, how would you react,etc.
    With SG-1 and SGA there was no room for that kind of “feel”. you were just a spectator.

    I think some of the SG Atlantis fans hate SGU just because they have the impression that Atlantis got canned in favour of SGU.
    That impression was entirely TPTB fault.
    Chopping a show into 1/2 seasons does not help either (specially one with long story arcs) as many shows are starting to do.
    Many fans are less inclined to invest time and emotion into something that you get the feel might canned at any time.
    Next time, TPTB should have a guarantee that they will give a series closure with a proper ending if they are going to cancel.
    At least that way a fan base may stay loyal or even increase if they KNOW they will get a complete story, no matter what.

  • @katikatnik
    I don’t see why people distrust Joe so much. Sgu was brad and Rob’s baby, extinction is his and I’m sure he will not rest in his attempts to get it made until it is clear that there is no hope.
    And as far as caprica goes, blood and Chrome was already in the works as a backdoor pilot before caprica’s cancellation. So it is not a reaction, merely a safety net.
    I think it says a lot about ptb’s integrity in that they want to continue with a show they believe in rather than just throw a load of different shows at the wall and see which one sticks.

  • @katikatnik For what I see – it is true that SGA S5 ratings are practically the same as SGU S1? You are guys quick to compare S2 with SGA, forgetting that move on Tuesdays busiest hour was harsh step and it would require to whole season to sink in and get people to watch it live on new schedule.

  • @talyn2k1: AFAIK, BSG’s TPTB came up with the idea of B&C as a web series when Caprica started tanking in the ratings. When it became obvious, that Caprica will be dumped, they remade it for a backdoor pilot. All SG’s execs are doing is insist on SGU or nothing, no backup plan. For them, it’s SGU or the death of the whole franchise. Way to go.

  • Speaking for myself, and im sure for alot of other people out there, SGU is the first bit of Stargate that I’ve had any interest in watching(next to the original movie when i was a little kid). I mean no disrespect to anyone but I got pulled into SGU because of the visual quality and the acting. I have to say that there are so many sci-fi shows(on the actual channel and not on the channel) that have putrid horrific acting. SGU had some great actors on there. Part of its appeal to me was it had a good balance of sci-fi and real life problems as far as human interaction(drama). What sucks is im certain that the rating were low because the rating dont include people who watch it period. It includes people who watch on certain platforms and on certain conditions because advertisers wanna know that people are seeing their commercials. If it included all forms of viewership im sure the rating would be triple whats stated. I know im not inccluded in the rating cause i watch it online on some independent site cause thats the only way i could find it. WHY??? Cause its never on the syfy channel and trust me I was constantly looking for it on syfy until i said Eff it im going online. But now, because of SGU im reading into the whole franchise and seeing how passionate people are about Atlantis and SG-1 that im most likely going to try and get into that. A whole nother fan has been born because of SGU… me. and I’m sure there are many many more as well. Thats all i wanted to say.

  • I see that many of you are still claiming that poor ratings of poor writing are to blame for the cancellation of SGU. Yesterday I wrote a comment for the article ” MGM reboot complete, financing secured for new productions ” in which I described my perspective on the cancellation and why I believe it’s not the ratings but the system that creates them that is to blame. I left links to two articles I found that describes in great detail how the Nielsen ratings system works and why this system has failed to provide even remotely accurate ratings statistics. I gather from the comments dated Dec 27 within this and other articles in GateWorld that people have not read these articles yet. I urge you to do so. So many are saying that there weren’t enough viewers for SGU. The rating for Resurgence that SYFY got from Nielsen was just over 1 million and yet this statistic is based on a mere sampling of 25,000 households out of 100 million plus. Do the math: that’s one representative household for every 4000+ households in America. That’s ridiculous. Again, please read the linked articles, reproduced here [...] http://gigaom.com/video/what-to-read-this-weekend-how-nielsen-works/ [...], [...] http://io9.com/5636210/ [...]

    One other thing I would like to mention for all those SGA fans who lamented the end of of that series after season five: ARE YOU UNGRATEFUL? Five complete (20 ep) seasons was a bloody miracle given the treatment so many sci-fi shows have received over the last 10 years. I have only to look over at my DVD shelf to understand this. Here’s a list to give you some perspective. Threshold (CBS, 13 eps), Invasion (ABC, 22 eps), Surface (NBC, 15 eps), Firefly (FOX, 15 eps), The Invisible Man (SyFy, 2 seasons, 24 and 22 eps), Blade the Series (Spike TV, 12 eps), Moonlight (CBS, 16 eps), Bionic Woman (NBC, 8 eps), Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (FOX, 2 seasons, 9 and 22 eps), Defying Gravity (ABC, 13 eps), Caprica (SyFy, 18 eps). And let us not forget Farscape. This series was ended on one of the biggest season ending cliffhangers EVER. Only because Brian Henson heard the fans crying out for some kind of resolution and acquired the rights to Farscape on his own did we at least get the Peacekeeper Wars to tie up some of the loose threads.

    Were all of these shows super fantastic with unparalleled writing and direction? No, but they were all interesting in their own ways. Some were original concepts, some rode the coattails of a preexisting franchise and others were re-imaginings of older shows.

    So, when any of you out there whine and cry about the end of SG-1 or SGA, stop and think and be grateful that these shows lasted as long as they did because SO MANY OTHERS were not nearly so fortunate.

  • SGU was a a series not a huge failure. =/

    From a business point it was because of the low ratings and the move to Tuesday did not really help but it has millions of fans spread over the world.

    But people like me who do not live in America mostly do not have Syfy which results in people not being able to watch it live which results in lower ratings.

    (Note I also think this is only a SMALL part of the total picture)

  • talyn2k1 is right imo, malloz and wright are simply psyched about SGU and they sort of go ‘we do what we like even if (almost) nobody else likes it’.

  • So it’s shelved indefinitely now. Which is different from the last year how? The only time we ever heard of something that seemed like a pretty solid date was when it sounded like there might be a movie within a year after the show ended, but that obviously wasn’t happening.

  • Cancelling SG1 was a the downfall of Stargate the only thing to fix this mess they done is to make a serie that includes SG1 and SGA and little bit of SGU to finish it up.
    Stargate should be about Adventure, Action and Mystery no one cares about shows like Caprica or SGU.

  • @Pecisk: My comment with a link is still awaiting moderation, don’t ask me why ::shrugs:: So, just a few numbers:

    SGA, season 5 average: 1.610 million viewers
    SGU, season 1 average: 1.684 million viewers

    Not a big difference, is it? But where SGA went from low to high, SGU went from high to low. So, contrary to a popular belief, SGA was going up in the ratings (SGA’s lowest point was in S4, Tabula Rasa, which went against the presidential debate and bounced back big time the week after that) whereas SGU is going down and bounce back effect in sight.

    But that has nothing to do with the movies, unfortunately. But from my POV, nothing changed from 6 months or a year ago – the movie was and is shelved.

    Though I find it funny that some time ago, Mallozzi was saying that SGU and the movies were two completely separate entities. The success of SGU didn’t mean that the movies would go into production. But the failure of SGU means they won’t. A-ha.

  • I cannot say I’m surprised by this news… The producers are choosing to focus their time and resources on trying to save the current TV series. Is that so wrong?? SGA has been off the air for a while now, whilst SGU is still, for at least the next ten episodes, on air. I am a fan of SGU, I would like to see this story concluded in a manner which pays off for those Stargate fans that have followed it from the start. Let’s face it, if there’s no SGU season three, there probably won’t be any SG-1 or SGA movies in the short-medium term future.

  • I wish I could blame anyone but Mallozzi or Wright. I feel like they used us as lab rats and experimented with this “drama” called SGU and it failed. It had some good moments but ultimately the boring ones were all people will remember.

  • wow, zero to revenge conspiracy theories in point 5 seconds, that didn’t take long at all :D

    Really, how could anyone NOT expect this? It’s not like it hasn’t been warned about enough – If SGU gets cancelled, everything else is likely to go with it. That anyone continues to be surprised/shocked/outraged over this is just mind-boggling.

  • You can all argue about how SGA shouldn’t have been canceled or how SGU started too slow and was too soapy. The one thing this article should help you realize is that IF you’re a STARGATE fan and you would like to see MORE STARGATE then you should support the FRANCHISE. Fans can start by not tearing down each other and stop blaming others. Things are where they are now. Hopefully something can be salvaged or we may never see Stargate again or at the very least for years to come. I for one would rather see SGU continue if for no other reason than it will have a positive impact on other Stargate related projects. It would be ideal if the franchise could go out gracefully: One more year of SGU; Two Stargate Movies would wrap things up nicely. Then they can then put the franchise into hibernation for a few years. Ultimately I’d like to see Stargate go back to Theaters in big budget movies even with a reboot and new cast. Then again Star Trek had to crash and burn to make room for the new. So what do I know? But where did that leave the DS9 fans, the voyager fans, and TNG fans?

  • Hey guys! Do not blame SGU for it dramatic style! It is obvious that writers can not keep one style forever, because in the end scenario will start repeating again and again. As far the story goes, so hard to find something new and interesting inside the limits of the story… World is changeable, whether it is just world… or Gateworld

  • @talyn2k,

    I wasn’t trying to imply that if COTGFC hadn’t been made a movie would be. My point is that BW has become so full of himself that he thought he would do a George Lucas on COTG when nothing needed to be fixed. From his interviews regarding this, it seemed pretty clear that this was a vanity project from day 1. TPTB continued attitude is what has almost completely turned me off of the franchise. He essentially spit in the face of fans, said he didn’t need SG fans to support the series, and didn’t care what the fans though, yet he thought the fans would blindly support anything with the Stargate name on it.

    To paraphrase Jacob Carter, You can’t just slap a Stargate sticker on a series and expect fans to come running. Audiences have to be earned.

  • back when we had just SG-1 and SGA running together, I never in my dreams saw a future beyond those two shows – I saw the final season and then being content with two great sci-fi series. I didn’t believe we’d get two SG-1 movies after 10 years and (maybe) more, nor did I dream that we’d get more Atlantis movies. And a third Stargate series (even if, YES, it IS different)? That concept was beyond my wildest dreams. To me Stargate was never Star Trek. Star Trek is a powerhouse and one of the most recognizable franchises around. EVERYONE knows who Kirk and Spock are, what the Enterprise is and even there’s more recognition of who Picard is than who Jack

  • Brad kept telling us that if we keep watching SGU we’ll get an SGA movie. Thats the line the ptb have been feeding us now for 2 years and still no sign of one. But fortunately people are not sheep and don’t blindy tune into something that they don’t like because they’ve been told there will be some payout if they do.

    JM changes his story every 5 minutes. One moment he’s stating that SGU has nothing to do with the movies and now everything rests on SGU. Why would the movies have anything to do with SGU. MGM owns the franchise and have received 500m to produce new projects and make the company profitable again. Why would they continue to put money into something that is failing. They gave SGU the greenlight because they were told it was going to be the best Stargate so far and do so much better than SGA. But this didn’t happen, it did worse and it didn’t find a new audience or even keep the old one.

    But I’m sure MGM don’t consider this the end of the franchise because one part of it has failed. SGU was a failed experiment and most likely losing money for MGM but still Brad wants to fight for it yet he’s not interested in fighting for something that actually worked. What kind of sense does that make unless Brad doesn’t want an SGA movie and even now is only interested in SGU despite the fact that its plumetted in the ratings.

    Why can’t they accept that their experiment failed instead of blaming everything except the show itself. The wrong day, the wrong channel, the wrong time slot, the Neilson ratings, the SGA fans, everything but the fact that the show just didn’t appeal to enough viewers.
    How about Brad and Co accept that it didn’t work and go forward with something that did. How about taking responsibility for a decision that didn’t pan out and move on to something that did, and if he feels that he’s had enough of the old style Stargate then hand it over to new leadership.

  • I’m sick fed up with people blaming ALL the SGA fans…my favourite out the franchise is Atlantis, BUT I did like SGU, quiet a lot. Yes, it was immature for the group of people who delibrately tried to get Universe cancelled (which anybody sayin there was no such group – which the majority of which WERE angry Atlantis fans – are kidding themselves).
    Atlantis was only meant to go on for 5 seasons…which it did, and the writers wanted to make movies…wasnt their fault that that didn’t happen.
    Atlantis had the help of having intro episodes in SG-1, Universe didn’t have that luxury. It needed advertising that Atlantis didn’t need cause of this luxury, but Syfy didn’t compensate. They moved it to Tuesday night, Atlantis didn’t have to deal with that kind of competition. So yeah, if you want to blame anyone, blame the people who delibrately wanted it cancelled cause they were sore about ‘losing’ Atlantis, or the people at Syfy that didn’t give it a chance.
    Universe would’ve worked well, maybe even better than Atlantis – which is coming from someone who liked Atlantis more than Universe. So be realistic, and fair, don’t generalise against ALL SGA fans.

    Realistically; I don’t think Atlantis movie is ever coming. Part of me can’t see the SG-1 movie being created either. Which is a shame, but I’m not immature enough to blame the writers.

  • I have to agree with some and disagree with others here.
    1. SGA was a good series, I enjoyed it a lot. However, S4-5 was about the same caliber as SG1 S9-10. And I believe SGA’s S1-3′s momentum was held as SG1 S9-10 was aired back to back…then left SGA S3 to hold its own. After that, it went up against BSG and it was a hard fight for its last two seasons.

    2. SGA cancellation was no fault of the fans or its viewers. Blame the TPTB on this one. TPTB wanted to compete with the new-hip BSG-type format and used any excuse to drop/cancel SGA to rush SGU into production.IMO, having two separate SG series going at the same time of two different calibers wasn’t going to work as it did for SG1&SGA. So bye bye SGA.

    3.SGU, is a decent series, however I feel it was too rushed into production and airing it along the same time as the BSG series. We all have heard and read the reviews comparing SGU to BSG & STVoy. Had SGA been given a couple more years, and hindsight is 20/20, BSG ran its course, introducing SGU around this year and/or next year – it could have survived.

    4. SGU demise was surely the move to Tuesday. I honestly believe this was SyFy’s motive all along…I think the higherup’s at SyFy was growing tiresome of the SG franchise. They new the viewers would not be able to support or view with a heavy load on NBC, CBS or ABC.

    5. SG1: Revolution… I just do not seeing this movie getting made anytime in the next two years. With MGM’s bankruptcy and the franchise splitting away from SyFy. I do not see how the finances are going to come through to further green-light the project. Even though 3/4 of the cast are literally available…too much time is going to pass, the notion of getting it made will fade away.

    6. SGA: Extinction…this movie will be harder to get made than SG1:Rev, with Momoa on the Conan track, and Joe F.starting to premiere on a new tv series…the commitment & availability of these actors will be extremely difficult. plus, I think all along that the TPTB really are not to interested in making this movie…I would not be surprised if the script goes into a graphic novel format or one of the novel series.

    7. This is truly the death of the SG series and franchise. Much like the Star Trek series (TNG, DS9, Voy, Ent)…I think the franchise has ran its course and needs to hibernate for a decade or so – before being reboot.

  • colin15watt,

    There is nothing immature about blaming the writers. It would be one thing if you could just blame SciFi, but they are (for once) not to blame.

    From the beginning, TPTB have set themselves up against the fans by essentially apologizing for everything Stargate ever was, and promising that SGU would be different and better. Most people obviously do not agree.

    Also, TPTB fully admitted that they chose to end SGA, so they would not have to work on two series at once. Many people seem to forget that fact, but knowing this makes it a bit easier to understand where the anger is coming from.

    I am not even much of an SGA fan, but I can see why things have turned out the way they have.

  • Starscapesg1,

    If that is the case then so be it. Better to have the fans put the franchise to death on their terms, than to let TPTB butcher the franchise little by little until it is unrecgnizable. Also, as others have stated, TPTB have already said that the success of SGU had no bearing on the films, so it has nothing to do with that.

  • What other avenues for the show are there? I very much doubt SyFy would sell there rights to the show to another network and judging by how abruptly syfy cancelled the show, it’s unlikely that they’ll support a DVD movie.

    Ether way, at this point i really don’t give a damn. I’m just so disgusted with the way syfy and TPTB are handling the franchise that i really don’t care what fate SGU has. TPTB spat in are face when they cancelled SGA for no reason, they bent us over when the 2 promised sg1 and sga movies never came to light. And now we get the shaft by cancelling SGU and telling us an SGA movie will likely never happen. I’m done..

  • I get the frustration fans of SGA display, as it FELT like SGA was cancelled to make a place for SGU and SGA fans were thrown a bone with talk of a movie. With the cancellation of SGA coming soon after better ratings than previous seasons and a people’s choice award, you can see why it seemed like a blow out of nowhere.

    However, while I was not a fan of SGU (not because of SGA, but because it just wasn’t my thing – I did try to watch it), I would never wish cancellation on the show. I had hopes that it would do well and help build interest in the franchise. As I have felt the pain of the cancellation of a favorite show, I feel nothing but sympathy and compassion for those that enjoyed SGU and have now lost one of their shows.

    I am not surprised that there will not be an SGA movie, I believed that to be the case early on. But I am disappointed as I would have liked to have had some closure. I do hope that SGU fans get their last season or something so that the stories can be finished.

  • The move to Tuesday wasn’t the reason SGU failed. It was already loosing viewers on Friday. I’m sure Syfy pay licencing fees for their shows and then deliberately try to sabotage them so they’ll lose money!.

    They moved SGU to Tuesday to try and save the show as it has a bigger audience. Warehouse13 and Eureka managed to double SGU’s rating in the very same time slot. SGU still didn’t improve even when the Tuesday slot was airing re-runs. Maybe they should have aired it on a day when there was no competition and did a survey to ascertain what would be the best night.
    How many more years should viewers have forced themselves to watch a show they didn’t like on the off chance that they would get something they did like. Whether SGU failed or suceeded wouldn’t have mattered. There was no way the movies were ever going to be made. The sets had been pulled down and the cast moved on.

    Not once were any of them approached about the possibility of an SGA movie happening. So I doubt many SGA fans believed that if they continued to watch SGU, it would bring them an SGA movie. Brad Wright only dangled this carrot when he saw that SGU wasn’t doing well.

    If MGM decide to put the franchise on hold I’ve no problem with that, it died 2 years ago for me. I never believed for one moment that we would get an SGA movie as the ptb are clearly only interested in SGU.

  • I honestly believe the franchise is on indefinite hold…MGM has to many obstacles ahead of them in regards to restructuring their assets and beginning to prioritizing their main titles for profiting to get back into the “green” – and with Spyglass involved now – they may look at the SG franchise as too much of a risk financially to go forward right now with much of anything.

  • @blackhawlk

    “The move to Tuesday wasn’t the reason SGU failed. It was already loosing viewers on Friday. I’m sure Syfy pay licencing fees for their shows and then deliberately try to sabotage them so they’ll lose money!.”

    SGU first season was loosing viewers (in second part of first season, after whooping 4 months hiatus) – and still ratings were equal with SGA last season. So I’m quite sure that SGA would struggle with ratings on Tuesdays too. Would it far better – that’s open to debate but we will never know.

    There are many reasons why Eureka and Warehouse 13 are totally different animals. They are episode based, more light hearted. SGU and Caprica required serious watching. No one watches material so heavy in the middle of the week. SGU and Caprica had a chance on Fridays. Even moving to Sundays would work. Also fans and casual viewers were given only two months to find and reschedule time so they can watch SGU live. Also Eureka runs summer/winter cycle, avoiding heavy weight shows. Also summer is better for sci-fi.

  • @ talyn2k1

    “I don’t see why people distrust Joe so much. Sgu was brad and Rob’s baby, extinction is his and I’m sure he will not rest in his attempts to get it made until it is clear that there is no hope.”

    Months ago Mallozzi wrote on his blog, that Wright is still fighting for the SG1 movie. There was no mention of the SGA movie. So naturally people asked him, why Wright isn’t fighting for it and Mallozzi also said, that the SGA movie isn’t Wright’s movie and that Mallozzi and someone else are the writers/producers. I think you can already guess, what question followed. Mallozzi was asked, why he isn’t fighting for the SGA movie. His answer was, that it doesn’t make any sense. It was obvious, that he thought it would be a waste of time, because there was no hope for a SGA movie. This was sometime in the summer, before SGU’s 2nd season started, before it was more than clear, that SGU would get cancelled.

    But now Mallozzi gives the impression, like there was a chance for the SGA movie before SGU’s cancellation. That is just dishonest of him. In reality there was never any “progress” in regards to the SGA movie to begin with. The SGA actors already said in 2009, that it looks very bleak for the SGA movie and that they don’t think, it will ever be made. So I think Mallozzi invented that “progress” to get some kind of “revenge”.

  • As it seems there are still some questions in regards to SGU and SGA ratings, a few more information:

    Live + SD Ratings

    SGU, season 1 average: 1.684 million viewers
    SGU, 1. half average: 1.949 million viewers
    SGU, 2. half average: 1.445 million viewers
    SGU, season 2 average: 1.078 million viewers (ep. 21 – 30)

    In comparison to SGA’s live + SD numbers:

    SGA, season 5 average: 1.610 million viewers
    SGA, 2. half of season 5 average : 1.68 million viewers

    Live + 7 Ratings

    SGU, season 1 average: 2.29 million viewers (not including episode 18 and 19)
    SGU, 1. half average: 2.54 million viewers
    SGU, 2. half average: 2.01 million viewers (not including episode 18 and 19)
    SGU, season 2 average: 1.561 million viewers (ep. 21 – 29)

    In comparison to SGA’s live + 7 numbers:

    SGA season 1: 2.8 million viewers
    SGA season 2: 2.2 million viewers
    SGA season 3: 1.9 million viewers
    SGA season 4: 2.0 million viewers
    SGA season 5: 2.103 million viewers

  • This is for all the fans who think that with the cancellation of SGU we will get the Atlantis movie!!!

  • Ah HA! See all you haters who said screw anything but SGA just screwed yourselves by not watching SGU. Once again I say, “Thank you for nothing.”

  • Wow finally some good frank opinions on this website. If they listened to the fans at the time the idea was first floated we wouldn’t be at the point we are now. Why won’t there be a SGU #200? Because the fans didn’t want that type of a show. You know, a depressing show in a depression. It has nothing to do with the PVR ratings Joe.

  • To be fair the picture on the SGA movie has been glum for a quite while. At this point even if an SGA movie got a green light it seems a lot of the people from SGA have gone forward on other projects. I would agree that this really is not new news, just the first word from one of the former producers essentially calling the movie dead. It would be nice if they could eventually get around to finishing off one of these series.

  • How stupit is it to blam haters if a show gets cancelled everyone has the free will to watch what ever they want.

  • What kills me is that the creators canceled Atlantis FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE of creating movies. They got tired of making TV and wanted to deal with movies and big-budgets; reading their comments from the time makes this extremely clear. And what’s the outcome? Not a SINGLE gosh-darn Atlantis movie, leaving one great series (SGA) and one very meh series (SGU) without any ending at all. Two wiiiide open unresolved stories. Because they decided to break the mold.

    It happens time and time and time again. Creators have the mentality that, if strong viewership drops off, they need to CHANGE things to get more people. It always ends in a bloody train wreck. What they need to do, instead of a 180 degree turn, is just CONCENTRATE the essence of what mde the show great in the first place.

    But seriously, do the terrrrible monster-of-the-week movies Syfy pays for really draw in more money than a good SGA movie? Seriously?

  • I know they did not want to losing the show but it sound like they trying to get at the fans becuase they did not watch the show. CRAZY Stargae will die with these people at the helm

  • Sad that we won’t get sga movie any time soon.
    :( I think the only way to save sg is to watch the 2nd half of sgu season 2. If you watch the show you can see how they’re killing the depressiion. It’s true sgu’s 1st season was too slow and dark. You’re all right. But now I see improvement, and if we watch it live syfy will recognize that sg have a hellofa fan base. I see you say that “we don’t watch what we don’t like” okay. but it’ll kill stargate. And we’ll get nothing. Let’s show syfy and MGM that stargate IS awesome, sgu season 3 is better that nothing. I’m quite confident that if stargate continues they will make those movies. Sadly without sgu there’ll be no movies. or stargate. , we need to save the franchize by watching it. LIVE!

  • I attended the Stargate convention in April in Vancouver. I was aware then that something was very, very wrong when members hung on every word the SG-1 and SGA actors said but a huge group walked out whenever anyone from SGU was on stage. The autograph lines for the SGU actors was pitiful as well. I guess we’ll see who the guests are for the upcoming conventions. I spent lot of money attending this convention, including bidding for and winning, a meet and greet with Joe Flanigan, the nicest actor anyone could hope to meet who was wonderful with the fans. Plus, he and David Hewlett brought the house down when they were on stage together. I just can’t see anything like that happening with the SGU actors.

  • Sorry but this is exactly what we told the SGU haters for the past year and a half. Now they try and say it wouldn’t have mattered anyways. They refused to understand that not supporting one part of the franchise would hurt another part and now they have shot themselves in the foot.

    To me this is the most poetic justice in the history of fandom. I loved SGA personally and while this saddens me, after the monolithic crap the SGU hate base spewed since it’s inception, after their little hate forum where they called out the SGU fans by name and insulted us in their little dark corner and finally after they turned this site into a battleground where they split StarGate fandom in half over the SGA red light/SGU green light, it is by their own actions they have doomed SGA’s return.

    Poetic. Justice.

  • the thing about sgu when it was in the start … writers sed that it’s all new show what got’s nothing to do with sg1 or sga and gate get’s one more chevron
    but the show didnt start as a new gate show
    they should have made it as a new start new beginning… no1 from sg1 or sga … no communication stones and so on .. like they made the first stargate movie before sg1 then the show would have been good and new like the writers first say’d us it will be new show with nothing related to sg1 or sga

  • This absolutely sucks. One of the greatest francises to come in existence, now could be history. Does MGM take into consideration that the fan bas outside North America is huge

  • @rsharpe so sad, because what I saw in that Innerspace tv show, they seem like cracking up, having fun all the time, including Robbie.

    You don’t that happening because you frankly don’t wanna see that happening. Case closed.

  • I watched stargate seens the first movie but if they can’t came up with new crative stuff then please let stargate rest in peace i won’t support butchering a good show.

    SG1 Cancelled
    SGA Cancelled
    SGU Cancelled

    Thats the way to do a franchize.
    They should had sticked to SG1 and fresh it up like all the reall good fans had said.

  • How about a new series. Not one that is entirely fresh. SGU’s cancellation is proof that didn’t help the franchise. How about a combination: Stargate SG1AU? You get me? Combine them together in one beautifully written,well-thought out, series.

    Maybe? Anyone?

  • @Pecisk

    Don’t be sad for me!!! I had the time of my life meeting all the SG-1 and SGA fans, getting to meet Joe Flanigan (in private!), David Hewlett, Rchel Luttrell, Christopher Heyerdahl, Andee Frizell, “Bam-Bam”, getting their autographs and always a polite and personal word or two from each of them. They were all a class act. Who is Robbie and what is Innerspace? Must be a Universe thing as I went out eating, drinking and partying during those appearances.

  • I’m still very confused as to what both Mallozzi and Wright said about all us evil SG-1 and SGA fans: First, we (or at least our demographic) didn’t matter them Second: we were directly responsible for the cancellation. Uh, which is it, guys?

  • It’s a childish attitude to blame the viewers for not liking a new show. Did they really expect fans to watch SGU if they didn’t enjoy the show? Brand loyalty will only take you so far. They made a conscious decision to take the franchise in a new direction, and attempt to bring in new viewers at the expense of established franchise fans. And their decision was a failure. Their new direction didn’t attract new viewers and it alienated old viewers. The big screen Star Trek reboot proved that you can go in a new direction while still respecting and bringing along your core fan base. It’s a shame that Stargate’s producers didn’t show fans the same respect.

  • @sgfan

    It doesn’t work that way. I’m not just a mindless fan helping them make tons of money.
    If they make something I like I’ll support that, if they don’t make something I like I most assuredly won’t.
    I wouldn’t but an SGU episode if i got a 99% discount on 1 dollar.

    @katikatnik
    “SGA WAS NOT CANCELED BECAUSE OF POOR RATINGS, sheesh on a pogo stick!”

    Mallozzi just said it was – are you saying he is misinformed? :)

    @slayme
    People who understand math and demographics say that you can extrapoplate what large groups of people are going to feel about a certain subject. The advertising industry has been researching that for most of the last century.

  • @ rsharpe

    I read similar things about other cons. It seems that SGU isn’t as popular as SG1/SGA among con goers. Panels of SG1/SGA actors were better attended, more people wanted autographs/photos of them, and so on.

    But I guess con goers aren’t representative of all Stargate fans. I think the majority of them are women. The male/female viewer ratio was more equal with SG1/SGA than SGU. SGU is heavily skewing male. Briangate wrote for example, that the first episode of season 2 got a 83/17 male/female viewer ratio. I guess that is one reason, why SGU isn’t so popular at cons.

  • While the 2 SG-1 movies were good, IMHO they were not great. I mean, I own them both, but don’t rewatch them as the stories are just not that memorable. An SGA movies? I think that idea was just a dream that died ages ago. The actors have all moved on to other things now. Same with SG-1.

    Personally, I’d much rather have a 3rd season of SGU than any SG-1 or SGA movie. I’d also rather have any future Stargate series/films on a different network than SyFy.

  • @DanJack – I think you’re a bit short-sighted in saying: “but SGU is almost universally loathed (or loved by a small faction who seem to hate the old shows).”

    It really seems like it depends on what iteration of the Mayan Stela we’re in, on what the overwhelming opinion is on who favors what. I personally felt SGU a worthy entry for reasons not bound to SG-1/A; I love them both dearly, and really sunk my teeth into SGU this season. Yes I said “this season”; the pacing was a bit pedantic at first, but for me it lent well to what I got from season two. SGU wasn’t perfect but for me it was getting there.

    I revel in change – even when it hurts, but I don’t like change just for the sake of change. Did they have to change the SG formula? Maybe, maybe not – for my tastes it could have gone either way, but I was seeking something edgier, darker, more character driven and with a deeply developed mythos and I got it. Almost.

    I beg that the sweeping generalizations about what everyone likes or doesn’t like stop, for none of us know the truth.

  • @psw

    I certainly can’t speak to the ratio of women to men at the con I attended, but I did notice there were more men there than I had expected. I spoke to several men who were seated near me and was surprised that they had traveled so far to attend. A couple of guys were from Australia, one from England, one from New Zealand and, of course, a lot were from Canada.
    I felt quite comfortable at the age differences as well. I met people anywhere from their twenties to my age group (59). I had such a great time that I’m planning to attend another con and the one in Vancouver looks promising with both Joe Flanigan and David Hewett as guests.

  • The most logical and probable outcome would be a combined mini-series with an arc component.

    Somewhat like the Dune series played out.

    It needs a common foundation, so I think it will begin in the future from a Narrative perspective.. perhaps with Cassandra retelling how all of the scattered threads eventually came together and required some retooling from the inheritors of the SG legacy… its logical since its the only thread emebedded and left untouched by all three story lines.

    I’d hope the first thread revisited the SGU line to finish it up.. perhaps a two night or three night mini-series, very doable considering the closeness to the end of that series.. followed by an SGA mini-series since that one exists concurrently and brings us back to Earth (and perhaps the Destiny).. followed and SG1 concluding mini-series which reconnect with the world Cassandra is from and leaves the franchise is slightly better shape than Enterprise left Star Trek.. or BSG was left.

    No prequeles, no stunt casting, no bitter after taste.

    As each would probabably cost a bit more due to sts and gathering the scattered acting crew.. it could build on the previous wrap ups success.

  • Beyond the SG legacy series.. if there were another series.. or direction for the franchise.

    I would hope they would latch on to the most successful aspects of SG1 and SGA which even SGU eventually tackled.

    That is of the Ancients relationship to us and the mystery that surrounds that. They’ve been somewhat absent minded parents in a sense ony recently called into account for their deeds and behaviors.. and what they’re up to left up to the imagination of the viewer.

    Only now that the curtain has been peeled back and we seem to be crossing paths more and more.. it seems at some point they have to acknowledge us and “adjust” their Prime Directive for a culture that is no longer “emerging” but “merging” with their own.

    So enough with the pseduo prequels and history lessons.. move on and bring on the Guardians of the Galaxy.. the omniscient ones who are not omniscient.. those who sat in judgement only to be judged themeselves.

    The seem to have more than a slight problem with their own memories afterall and could use a bit of grounding.. somewhat like the Aschen or Thor’s race.

    They may shake the pillars of heaven, but have they moved planets, stars? Are they really so much more terrible than a bad rendition of Olympus?

  • @ nobycane
    “3.SGU, is a decent series, however I feel it was too rushed into production and airing it along the same time as the BSG series.”

    Check the air dates: BSG final ep Mar 20/09, SGU first ep Oct 2/09. That’s over 6 months separation, not “along the same time”.

    @ GateHunter
    “People who understand math and demographics say that you can extrapolate what large groups of people are going to feel about a certain subject. The advertising industry has been researching that for most of the last century.”

    While this is true, the accuracy of any statistical analysis is dependant upon the size and accuracy of the sample. Unfortunately, accuracy is dependant upon people being 100% honest and conscientious in their use of the Nielsen box in their home, and the sample size is 0.025% or less of the total number of viewing households in the US. If you haven’t read the articles I left links to in my Dec 27 @ 6:30am comment, here’s a clip talking about the accuracy of the system:

    “A fairly eloquent critique comes from analyst Arash Amel, research director for digital media with Screen Digest. Amel tells us:

    There has never been a proven method of actually measuring how many people are watching, for how long and what [they're watching]. It’s all a shorthand that was created from a panel of several thousand homes, who were supposed to be indicative of 100 million television households, and to create some kind of a common ground so you could sell advertising… It’s just an immense amount of guesswork, that’s carried out from a very small percentage, no matter how accurately you can say that each panel member is indicative of a certain amount of a demographic, no matter how closely you can vet that panel, you still don’t know… This is just [designed] for linear broadcasting, when you used to have three channels. Now take that, multiply it by a thousand — or how many cable channels you receive — then throw in a DVR… All of this guesswork, over the past few decades, has basically been standardized as fact. But it’s not.”

    Just wondering if you read the entirety of the linked articles?

  • I tried to watch SGU but it just didn’t appeal to me. The reason I love SGA is because I love the characters, the same reason I like BSG. While the premise of SGU sounded seriously promising to me (I love dark sci fi elements)because of its similarities to BSG and its relationship with SGA, the characters on SGU didn’t interest me. I gave up because I kept daydreaming about the characters from SGA in roles on SGU. I have heard it got better, though and I’m kind of thinking about giving it another try.

    As a fan of SGA, I can’t say that SGU’s cancellation sounds good for the future of the franchise. Even if I didn’t follow SGU, the cancellation sounds foreboding for any subsequent series or movies in the works.

    Maybe they should do a crossover movie and then they’ll have Atlantis is the SanFran bay and the Destiny hovering over the Gulf Coast.

  • DanJack,
    “I’m sorry to say but the cancellation puts the brakes on whatever progress the SGA movie had made in the past month, shelving it indefinitely,” he said. “… Contrary to what some may think, the cancellation of SGU is very bad news for those looking forward to an Atlantis movie.”

    I dont know this for a fact but i believe they base certain things like the movies on how well the franchise is doing as a whole and since no one was watching the new SGU’s why would they make more Stargate that no one is going to watch? Thats there line of thinking it think. Get what im saying?

  • I’ve seen every episodes of every SG series many, many times(my business allows me to). I own every sg1 dvd, sga dvd, and sgu dvd out there, including the movie. I even bought the HD versions on itunes of SGU. SG-U was my favorite show. The acting was movie quality. I felt like I was getting a movie every week. I mean they had Lou Diamond Phillips, Lou F, Ming Na, and Robert Carlyle, Robert Efing Carlyle. Sure there were some slow parts, but the first time I see an episode, most of the time, I would be watching the show in awe. This show os great.

    Seriously, what else is there got sg-1 to do? The Gould are gone, The Ancients are gone, the Ori are gone, the Asgards are gone, The only thing left are the nox, which the pacifists thet are, wouldn’t make for great TV, and the hunt for the furlings. That’s is stuff that I really don’t want to watch, and the hunt for the furlings.

    Atlantis season 5 had fewat episodes, but had some bad, filler episodes, and the good episodes felt rushed. If tptb really thought it was going to be cancelled, they could have gotten rid of some of the filler and really finished it. I’d love to see the movie. SGU was my favorite overall.

    There has got to be a way to air the 3rd and final season. How much money has been given to the government of canada in taxes for them from this franchise? How much publicity has the US military been given from this Franchise in terms of publicity and recruits? Maybe it is time for them to pony up to help finish the story. It’s only fair.

  • Oh, yeah. We already know what is thought of, the Lucian Alliance, seems to not be a formidable enemy. The wraith were dying out. Maybe the gate being exposed to the world? That would include drama, and we know how much the sgu haters hate drama. So the way I look at it is, is that SGU is the only way to go.

  • (…and I firmly believe that time-shifted viewing and internet downloads have bled off a significant portion of our younger, tech-savvy audience.)”
    One thing the industry is gonna HAVE to look at is possibly releasing Torrent files WITH regionally targeted ads in them. I know that sounds ‘out-there’, but remember when ‘per-song’ download was made available on iTunes?? That whole concept was thought absurd at the time. Yes, I know you can BUY episodes from places like iTunes, but this is film/TV…. MUCH Higher costs and the 5 bucks per d/l just doesn’t cut it… SOMEONE has to put the idea of ‘Adtorrents’ to practice to see if this is feasible, thus generating a few more bucks through ads, as desired…

    One More Thing -> WHERE is a good site to actually get Torrent file statistics? In Particular, getting a somewhat accurate number of Torrent file downloads for SGU? This would HAVE to count for something…..I would think…
    Just a Thought… ;-)

  • @GateHunter: “Mallozzi just said it was – are you saying he is misinformed? :)”

    It really, really wasn’t. Wright said so and even Mallozzi said so, some times back. And I’m kinda getting tired of him twisting his words this way and that way the way it suits him at the moment.

    SyFy was ready to negotiate SGA’s S6 and the ratings were on the uprise. It was cited many times that it was a “creative decision” ::snorts:: Basically, TPTB were tired of the show. They offered SyFy SGU and they refused to do both, SGU and SGA, and SyFy agreed to end it – but! They immediately bought the rights to air the SGA movie, which never happened in the end. Even the VP of SyFy’s programming said that they wanted to keep SGA on SyFy in any way possible, it was during Comic Con in 2008 – you’ll probably find the vid somewhere on the net.

  • @Pecisk: “SGU first season was loosing viewers (…) and still ratings were equal with SGA last season. So I’m quite sure that SGA would struggle with ratings on Tuesdays too. Would it far better – that’s open to debate but we will never know.”

    But you forget one thing: SGU? Downward trend. SGA? Upward trend. That’s quite a difference. I’m not saying that SGA on Tuesday would’ve been a hit, but contrary to popular belief, SGA was actually gaining back viewers, not bleeding them in masses like SGU.

    “There are many reasons why Eureka and Warehouse 13 are totally different animals. They are episode based, more light hearted. SGU and Caprica required serious watching.”

    And now you’re contradicting yourself. SGA was episode based and more light hearted – that’s why “serious” SGU fans call it immature as compared to the “maturity” of SGU – so why couldn’t it have succeed where W13 and Eureka did?

  • This does not seem to make a lot of sense that the cancellation of SGU would kill an SGA movie. As the people writing here know it is not so black and white as to say that since both shows are of the same franchise the cancellation of one affects the other. Assuming the people at MGM are at least somewhat intelligent. They probably see the first two series were on the whole, more successful than SGU to this point and were very different programs. With MGM trying to come out of a financial crisis they probably would want to produce shows or movies with good track records. Based upon Mallozzi’s history of comment making I would not be entirely surprised if he just said that the cancellation of SGU hurt an SGA movie to irritate SGA fans that dismissed SGU and openly shared their views. Just saying its within the realm of possibility.

  • @DarkElfa: That’s not poetic justice. That’s simply logic. BW and JM dangled the movie carrot in front of our collective noses for two years. How long EXACTLY should we’ve been fawning over a show we don’t like with a possible maybe-treat in some distant future? When you read these comments and various forums, you realize that most SGA fans lost their faith that the movies would be ever done months and months ago. So yeah, not poetic justice, simply the truth finally getting to the surface ::shrugs::

  • Well that is sad news. Can’t say I’m surprised though. I’m glad SGU is getting priority for the moment.
    My fingers are still crossed.

  • All what I read in this article (no offense, Darren) is the same then in the blog-entry. That means: No word from MGM or SyFy. Sorry to say that but I’m not trusting Mallozzi from a very long time now. And before the two real decision-makers (MGM and SyFy) don’t say anything this are only bitter words from a bitter man who will hurt the fans he treated for more then two years. Anyone noticed that SGU was cancelled and therefore the whole cast and crew, including TPTB, lost their jobs? Stargate was never owned by Wright, Cooper, Mallozzi or one of the other producers/developers (anyone remember Glassner?). So they are not in the position to take any decision about the franchise now. It’s in MGM’s hands and maybe in SyFys interest to keep the movies, shows and any future-projects alive.

  • What I find amusing is that you hear SGU haters complain that TPTB blame everyone else but themselves for the cancellation of Stargate, and then they themselves stick their fingers in their ears and refuse to admit that go around actively spewing hate towards SGU might hurt the franchise in the long run.

    If you don’t like it, then don’t watch it, sure, that’s your prerogative, and I don’t blame you for anything that happens to the series (or praise you for that matter), but once you start actively campaigning against the series, bad things that happen are partly your fault. Grow up, and admit your culpability. Spamming posts that reference or review SGU with how ‘dire’ the series is (because you view it as replacing SGA), skewing polls, and the like, do make a difference, because it biases any newcomers against watching it and giving the series (and the franchise as a whole), a go.

  • @DarkElfa:
    Did you even read any of the posts in this thread. What poetic justice. Most SGA fans NEVER expected an SGA movie because we realised 2 years ago that Brad and Co had no intention of making one, whether SGU suceeded or failed. As usual SGU fans and even the ptb are quick to put the blame on everything except the show itself.

    SGU failed because it was a boring depressing show badly executed. Do you think that SGA fans had to the power to stop 1 million viewers from watching, are you serious.

    Viewers stoped watching in their droves in EVERY country SGU was aired in and that includes Canada because they didn’t like what they were watching. If it was such an amazing show more viewers would have tuned in and those that gave it a try would have kept watching. As for downloads every show is downloaded and SGA was always the most downloaded show in his run but downloads have no impact on investers or whether a show gets renewed.

    Brad Wright and Joe M don’t own the franchise, MGM do and it’s up to them to make a decision whether the franchise is dead or not. With this takeover I’m pretty sure that all their past projects will be scrutinized and why would they want to put more money into a failed show. But MGM are aware that the franchise WAS a successful venture for them for many years and time will tell whether they’re prepared to go back to what actually made them money, now that would be poetic justice.

  • Funny they still will not admit, SGU failed because it was not good enough (FACT).

    SGA went down hill because half the episodes were not good enough come the last two seasons.
    Season 1 and 2 were brilliant and original of Atlantis.

    Season 1 for SGU was frankly pathetic, too much character development and Season 2 was still not up to scratch. Sooner they realise thats why the shows ended the better.

    SG1 season 9 and 10 shouldnt of been made. So far the pattern is SG top guys became too over confident and left away from originality to too much sci fi, space scenes and always had too much of something.

    If this means SG is gone, then frankly so be it. I recently went and watched all of SGA/SG1 and SGU and you really can tell whats good and whats not good. And the newest episodes of it all were NOT good and I wont be watching again.

  • I can’t say I’m surprised by this so-called news. News? Not really, IMO. The SGA movie was never going to happen and the success or failure of SGU has got nothing to do with it – at least that’s what Mallozzi said when SGU was greenlit. They’re two different entities, he said. I also don’t see what the DVD market has to do with any potential SG moves per se. I mean SyFy was going to pay a fee to show any SGA or SG1 movie. So, surely the dvd market’s situation was and is not as relevent as it was for SG1′s first two movies which were originally direct to dvd movies only.

    I do wish some people would stop blaming other people for SGU’s cancellation or the no show for SG movies. The ‘See what you’ve done!! By not watching SGU now you don’t get SG1/SGA movies!! It’s all your fault!!! You get what you deserve… etc.. ‘

    Perleeze!!! A few online fans make that much difference to ratings? Riiiight. If you really believe that, well you’re being not only unrealistic but also very egocentric. Online fans have little impact on anything. TPTB have said that themselves on many occasions.

    As for Joe Mallozzi? Well, experience has shown me to take everything he says with a grain of salt. He has told half-truths, stirred up fans, and not been candid on several occasions that I know of. He tries to spin stuff to support his viewpoint like most people can do.

  • Oops, meant relevant, not relevent! Why is there no edit option here? Lol!!!

  • @ Slayme
    When I say ratings, I mean the problems with the ratings. Because there are many problems with it. That means my theory and hope that Showtime picks up SGU or another premium channel b/c they don’t care above live ratings only how many subscribers there are.

  • After they decided not to make it immediately after the series, as had been originally intended: Did anyone actually believe that it would ever be made?

  • this is extreamly disopointing, I can’t beleive their cannceling SGU when I just started likeing it, season 1 was way to dark but season 2 was more like atlantis and SG1, and I realy thought it would probably end up being as good as it’s predecesors but now their canneling it so early that it hasn’t even been given a chance! And even after I found out SGU was cannceled I still hoped their would be an atlantis film, how can you leave a seires that good unfinished – the wrathe are still a thret, one movie would have fixed that! I like a seires to end finished like Andromeda (every things perfect at the end of that) but they could do what they did with sg1 and made a movie to sort out the cliff hanger! SG has loads of fans, and maybe I’m just very nieve, but I don’t understand how that can’t mean a lot of money! :(

  • @psw
    Do you really think that Joe would invent progress just to piss people off? The comments made by the SGA actors were back in 09, what Joe has said seems to indicate that some progress was made fairly recently.
    Progress doesn’t necessarily mean a lot of progress and it doesn’t necessarily mean a definite commitment from Syfy or MGM. They may have just been speaking to some individuals to try and garner support for doing
    Extinction. Then the cancellation comes along, thus destroying any possibility of it happening.
    Now before someone comes along and accuses me of swallowing whatever PTB says, I am not a sheep and tend to take with salt quite a lot of what I am told. But when people are saying that something is a lie, I must look at the person who is allegedly telling the lie and determine what reasons they could have for lying.
    In respect of the Extinction progress, I can just see no reason for Joe to lie. Most level-headed reasonable fans have already accepted that the film will never happen. Why bother stirring the hornet’s nest? I don’t think Joe or any of PTB are stupid or petty enough to lie for the sake of angering the fandom and I would hope they are above petty revenge.

    On a slightly different note, I have no issue with fans who didn’t like SGU, whether they gave it a chance or not. I can see why SGU just isn’t some peoples’ cup of tea. But what really makes me sick is individuals trolling on both these comment sections and on the forum, slating SGU on a weekly basis (it strikes me as odd that they are watching it even though they claim to hate everything it stands for) and then, when it is canceled, they come out and blame everyone they possibly can and some, not all, saying that its their fault for experimenting, they deserve it for canceling SGA, etc, etc, etc.
    Many shows I like have been canceled before their time, and I would never wish being canceled prematurely on any show. Those who do need to grow up and accept that SGA is gone and just because SGU isn’t their thing, doesn’t mean it isn’t Stargate and it doesn’t mean that it deserves to be canceled.

    In short, can’t we all just get along!?

  • How tragically unsurprising. Only the Atlantis movie. Uh huh. That makes complete sense. *insert eye-roll here*

    Its a sad day when people that so blatantly mismanage a multi-million dollar franchise don’t get fired for it.

    As for the “fanatic/its YOUR fault!” comments. I’ll be blunt. Back off. Stop blaming other fans for TPTB’s blunders. I don’t say I represent all Atlantis fans, but people like me gave U a chance. It failed to capture me on it’s own lack of merits. But don’t blame me or people like me, because apparently enough mainstream viewers agreed with that assessment and the show was canceled. Don’t turn around and shoot the messenger for delivering a message you didn’t want to hear.

    Ripping into people who have a different opinion is childish and ridiculous and only scream insecurity in one’s own opinions and viewpoints.

  • @ blistna
    It would be great if another network picked SGU up, however we in Canada don’t get Showtime.

    How about a public broadcaster that’s seen in Canada and US? I was thinking of WTVS Detroit. This was the broadcaster that enabled me to watch the entire original Doctor Who series (the first 7 Doctors) during the 80′s. It was commercial free broadcasting which was great as the average length of those old Doctor Who eps was 90 minutes.

    WTVS used yearly on air pledge drives that lasted a week or so, so that the viewers could support the broadcaster and get the shows that the viewers wanted to see.

  • The average length of those old Doctor Who eps were 90 minutes WITHOUT commercials!

  • @ lin21
    No editing after submission unfortunately, however if you have Google toolbar on your browser there is a handy spell checker that works in the comment window. :)

  • Re SGA fans getting SGU canceled, if 5000 separate fans came here and made supportive comments you’d be so very impressed by the intense interest in the series, but in the end all those people wouldn’t even make a teeny tiny dent in the ratings. It was the casual viewers tuning out that doomed the show, not online fans of any stripe.

  • … I’m not sure what I’m more infuriated by:
    -Being accused of boycotting Universe (I’m a devout Atlantis fan who is lacking a job and thus HAVEN’T EVEN FINISHED MY ATLANTIS COLLECTION.)
    -The Atlantis movie being postponed indefinitely.
    -The arrogant assumption that lack of viewing and monetary support equates a boycott. Has it not occurred to anyone else that perhaps it has to do with the economic decline?
    Now, I’ve not seen Universe yet. I can’t comment on its merit. I do think it’s foolish to cancel the popular series’ movie rather than admit that the series that dropped viewers did badly because… maybe… it was bad!

    And unfortunately, that leads me to this determination: I have recently come into a job. Yes, in a couple of short months I will have money to spend. I have every intention of completing my SG-1 and Atlantis collections, but now, I think I’ll wait until the Atlantis movie is completed and released to purchase the Universe series.

    To recap: yes, I was going to buy the complete Universe series on DVD, but now BECAUSE the Atlantis movie has been canceled, I WILL boycott Universe. But thanks for the completely useless and ultimately backfiring attempt to get me to watch the filming faux pas that is Stargate Universe. I’ll be sure to inform my fellow Atlantians who rely on me for news in the fandom. ^^

  • There was never going to be an SG1 or SGA movie. Why sell the sets, props and everything else only to have to rebuilt everything anew for the movie. I know TPTB think lowly of the SG1 and SGA fans but we are not THAT dumb to believe that SGA’s hopes of a movie died with the SGU. They never existed.

  • Just remember folks that MGM owns the rights to Stargate, not SyFy. The Stargate franchise as a whole is worth quite a bit and can still be profitable. It wouldn’t surprise me if the producers/creators of the franchise find a way to move it to another network. Its entirely possible that ABC, CBS, or FOX could pick it up. SGU was the only partial failure but its salvageable and SyFy didn’t want to face that option nor give the producers an opportunity to correct the issues that the fans were having with the series. There is a magnificent formula that Joe and Brad have used with SG:1 and SG:A and perhaps that needs to be revisited in order to bring the Stargate franchise back online. I wish them nothing but incredible luck because they certainly have thousands of fans waiting for the next step.

  • Agreeing with many comments here. The Actors of SGA have moved on. Getting everyone back to do a movie after everything that’s happened would be quite a feat. I have felt for a couple years that those in charge never had any intention of bringing us a movie. So really other than the initial disappointment with having my suspicions confirmed- sad but I’m really not surprised.

  • @DanJack

    Just a quick note: if you want to compare Daniel wars with SGU wars, please do so in appropriate timeframe. Either wait 8 years for fandom to calm down re SGU or compare current state of affair to the peak of Jonas’ hate in 2002-03. If you do so, you’ll notice that current situation isn’t much worse. In fact I’d say that rabid Jonas haters were worse than SGU haters. Jonas is rather liked nowadays, true, but it took fandom 8 years to get to this point – and there are still some haters. I’m sure that in 8 years SGU will be equally liked :)

    @colin15watt

    Thanks for posting. Sure there are some really great, tolerant, open-minded SGA fans out there, but you guys get shouted down by the vocal minority. Speak up! :)

  • Oh, I forgot to ask: why do some SGA fans keep blaming BW for lack of movie when the guy has had nothing to do with SGA – bar odd writing gig, that coincidentally brought SGA some much needed critical acclaim – since 2007? This is very puzzling…

  • @Petra,

    The thing about Jonas is he wasn’t hated by most people. What was hated was that Daniel was gone, and some chose to take it out on Jonas. In the case of SGU, it seems more people hate it then don’t, and only a few seem to like it.

  • I believe that BW fully intended for their to be SGA movies. It’s just unfortunate that the DVD market tanked at the same time MGM had financial troubles. Honestly, don’t you think they would want to make the money off the movies? Some of you act like the creators of the show wanted to destroy it intentionally. At the end of the day they’re in business and I think business decisions were made. Same reason SGU is now canceled.

  • hrm, I didnt like SGA at all, I found it far too generic but I still think it should of had a 6th season to finish it. I think SGU was just finding its ground and it’s quality was very hit or miss for me but again feel it should of had another season. I think Stargate is dead though. At least for now.

    A few years ago I wrote up a massive concept of my own show which I called “Edge of heaven” – and with other fans help it could be turned into a fan-series that looks/feels professional, however I somehow doubt it would get the support or people needed to make it happen. People seem willing to complain but rarely sadly want to do anything about it themselves, and sometimes DIY -is- the only way forward.

  • I would just like to say that I am not surprised that SGU didn’t last the distance . It was a self indulgent dark take on the Stargtae story. Team work and cameraderie are the key elements to Stargates success and although I am an SG1 fan , this was still very much part of Atlantis. SGU just lost the place and annoyed people rather than attracted them .
    I do think that there is mileage in merging what you can of the three series and finishing the journey for the fans. A series that brings all the key characters and elements together in some way , I feel , would be very satisfying for fans .
    What about the SG1 Movie ????
    Just hopeful , I guess.
    Jean from Scotland.

  • For me the Stargate franchise started in 2004 with Atlantis and ended in 2009 with Atlantis. I don’t like neither the original movie nor SG-1. And I never watched SGU, not even a single trailer.
    The franchise has been dead for me for almost two years, and I never believed that TPTB ever wanted to make an SGA movie. IMO, SGA has always been the unwanted step child in the franchise. I wouldn’t want to see an SGA movie made by these writers/producers either. They’ve made an awful job in most of season 5, no need to keep destroying the characters any further than that.
    I’ll continue supporting the SGA actors in their next shows/movies. I’ve stopped supporting the Stargate franchise when the producers decided they were tired of Atlantis in 2009. The only reason I come to this site is to chat in the forum with fellow SGA fans in my favorite SGA character/actor thread.

  • I find it a bit rich to blame Stargate viewers for the apparent demise of SGU, and consequently the indefinite delay of an SGA movie. If those that didn’t like it SGU pretended they like it, the producers would think they are on to a good thing and just dish up more of the same. What would that have achieved? I’m a loyal Stargate fan and I have watched every episode of SGU, even if I did find the first series quite dreary. The second series has improved, but not to the extent that I actually look forward to watching it the way I did with SG-1 and SGA. It was said the that the SGA movie was initially delayed because the producers wanted viewers to adapt to the new style Stargate (SGU), without reminders of the more traditional variety of Stargate which an SGA movie would have been. Fair comment perhaps, but SGU got it’s chance and it has generally failed. Lessons need to be learned from that failure, but lets move on. Stargate can adapt, I’m sure.

  • I agree with most of the people here. Stargate is dead since 2009. There is not news here. SGU was a terrible mistake and too bad is too late to cry out now. Never liked SGU and I wish SGA didn´t finish that way, but as some say, have a taste now of your own poison. MGM lost the big thing, they didn´t know how to use the TPTB and that is all. It took too long for them to find out. I wish luck for the actors. Let´s see what the future will bring. I sincerely don´t believe in stories. Fear not. TPTB can change, there is always hope. Please, if someone really cares, read what the fans are saying all over the word.
    We are the ones rating the thing. So, give to us what we want to see and don´t think about what producers or writers want. They only exist because we allow them to exist. Someone forgot that, and now, it is too late.

  • What I find interesting about many of the comments here is that the make it clear that many fans — especially those hoping for more SG1 or SGA — just have no idea how the economics of television work. Shows become more expensive over time as all those involved expect to get raises and sweeter deals. That means that an 11th season of SG1 would be much more expensive than a first season of SGA — just like a sixth season of SGA would be more expensive than a first season of SGU.

    That is why these ideas for continuing with SG1 or SGA — or, even more preposterous, some super combo of the two with everyone’s favorite actors — are just complete la-la-land fantasy. They wouldn’t have worked EVEN AT THE END OF THE RESPECTIVE SERIES!! It is that greater cost that limits the chances of later movies, especially considering how the Direct-to-DVD market has collapsed.

    That is why the end of SGU is a terrible event for every SG fan even if you hated SGU — it’s already expensive and difficult to do movies for the old shows and having the current show fail is hardly going to help matters!

    Besides, SG1 got TEN SEASONS!!! Do people realize how amazing that was compared to TV as a whole? SGA got FIVE Seasons! Do you know how many fans of Firefly, Farscape, or even Battlestar would have killed for that many shows? Both SG1 and SGA had full and prosperous lives on TV. Anyone who thinks that it was somehow unfair either got “cancelled before their time” is just not being realistic. Instead of complaining you should be thanking your lucky stars you got so many shows!

  • It sounds an awful lot like the producers are punishing SGA fans for the failure of SGU at this point. Whatever the cause of the SGU failure, it would be tragic if the fans walk away from the franchise knowing the SGA movie is on hold because of angers towards the anti-SGU fans. It would do more damage to the franchise than five websites hating on SGU.

  • @Ranillon, relative costs aside (which I don’t think you actually know either) since SGU is canceled it doesn’t matter how much it cost, its’ profit is pretty much zilch.

  • saw that coming when they put Todds coat up for auction. those wraith coats were exspencive to make.

  • I did’nt care if the show had Stargate in its title, if its a bad I would’nt watch it sgu.

  • @Ranillon: As it was posted in SyFy’s forum, because SGU S1 cost 1 mil. more than SGA S1, SGU S2 was already more expensive than SGA S6 would’ve been. I don’t have the link handy, but it was posted and discussed in SyFy’s forum.

    Robert Carlyle said that 1 ep of SGU cost 2+ mil. dollars – in its 1st season! That’s 40-50 mil. per 20 eps! Now the additional costs of S2 – as you say, the shows get progressively more expensive…

    As BW said, SGA’s ratings pretty much warrented S6. He didn’t know if the show would get S7 after that, that’s why they canned it and came up with SGU, because they wanted more “longevity”.

    As you said, to make movies is always problematic. The funny thing is that BW went with SGU only after MGM guaranteed him a bigger budget. Nobody bothered to secure a budget for the SGA movie(s), which were to main purpose of its cancellation, first.

  • Now you know how I felt when they canceled Star Trek(Yes Im that old). Outbreaker, RyianaT,Pecisk, Rsharpe and bjj8383, all hit the nail on the head. When you deal with space or the unknown, most fans want action/adventure, aliens, new planets and cool ships.Shows like SG1, SGA, Warehouse13, Eureka and Sanctury will always have more fans, they want somthing new every week not these long arc’s soap opera’s like sgu and caprica. I didnt like caprica and battlestar.g after the pilot, mostly because of my age but also they were to earthy not spacey. I grew up with Star Trek and the first Battlestar.G. I didnt like the new Battlestar.G.because it was to earthy. aside being humans they should have nothing incommon with earth ( wearing ties and suites)and the cylons/charactores were changed to much for my taste, and there”s nothing more uglyer then a woman smoking a cigar,GROSS. Caprica turned out to be nothing but a mobster soap opera,again earthy, nothing should resemble earths culture, a shame they had a good idea there then ruin it with (Mobsters in space)!At least I still have the fun and talanted cast of Sanctuary to watch.I never hated sgu and I never care either and I did try to watch it and all this back and forth banter is all in fun, right poeple?

  • Ranillon:
    Its common knowlegde that SGU was a very expensive show. Robert Cooper was interviewed stating how EXPENSIVE SGU was going to be but he didnt want to do it unless he was allowed to do it with the budget he wanted. SGU’s huge cast including bigger name actors, expensive locations and CGI, all surpassed the cost of previous shows. But the ratings were the lowest of the franchise, so how does the enonomics of Tv work for you in this case. SGU ratings didn’t cover its cost. Why would any show continue if it’s not living up to its projected cost implications. Why do you think Syfy didn’t renew it or would you have liked them to continue losing money.

    SGU ending is not a terrible event for every SG fan. It’s a chance that the franchise can still recover after this failed experiment. How could a failing show be good for the franchise. If 2m could be allocated to each episode of SGU how is it not possible to make one movie.

    MGM are out of their financial difficulties. If they were able to fund another year of SGU they can afford to fund the movies, the question is now will they want to after the failure of SGU.

    We were told that part of the reason for not getting an SGA movie was the collapse of the DVD market and JM still used this reason only 2 days ago on this blog. But yet Brad is fighting to continue SGU, either on another channel or a direct to DVD movie. How come the state of the DVD market doesn’t affect SGU!!. The reason is that Brad even at this stage has no interest in SGA and his only concern is SGU.

    This is why SGA ended. Not because it wasn’t popular or had run its course. It had plenty of life left in it but sadly it was left in the care of producers who weren’t up to the task. But Brad said he was bored and wanted to move on and do something different and SGA had to end in order for him to do the show he wanted. So please don’t tell me how grateful I should be that SGA got 5 years, or about the enconomics of the TV world.

  • @ katikatnik
    As I suggested in my December 28 11:34am (posted above) move the franchise to a public broadcaster. Imagine how much revenue could be raised if SG fans could pledge directly in support of Stargate.

    Let’s say that there are 5 million SG fans between US and Canada (I think we can all agree that I’m being very conservative with that number). Then let’s say that each of them pledges $20. That’s $100 million for new Stargate programming. Imagine more fans, pledging more money. Everybody could get what they want: moer seasons of SGU, more SG-1/SGA movies.

    It’s time and past time to scrap the old advertising based system, get rid of all the dross that floods the channels these days and pay for the shows we REALLY want to watch!!!

  • @ blackhawlk
    Just wondering if you’ve read this article
    [...]http://io9.com/5636210/[...].
    If you had you would stop bringing up the ratings as if they were canon. They’re not. To reiterate my earlier posting, “the accuracy of any statistical analysis is dependant upon the size and accuracy of the sample. Unfortunately, accuracy is dependant upon people being 100% honest and conscientious in their use of the Nielsen box in their home, and the sample size is 0.025% or less of the total number of viewing households in the US”. To sum up, the ratings are in a word, fabrications.

  • I HOPE SOMEONE FROM MGM OR A STARGATE EXECUTIVE READS THIS! FIND STARGATE UNIVERSE A NEW NETWORK! I THINK IT WOULD IT WOULD DO WELL ON TNT. OR DO SOMETHING THAT’S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE RELEASE HALF SEASONS ON DVD. STRAIGHT TO DVD NO NETWORK HASSEL JUST STRAIGHT TO DVD AND BLU RAY ALSO ON NETFLIX HULU ON DEMAND XBOX LIVE PLAYSTATION NETWORK! REACH OUT TO YOUR TECH SAVY AUDIENCE AS YOU CALL US AND CONTINUE STARGATE UNIVERSE MILLIONS WILL PAY TO WATCH IT AND WE CAN KEEP THE STORY AND THE FRANCHISE ALIVE! PLEASE AS A STARGATE FAN I BEG YOU TO AT LEAST TRY THIS OR SOMETHING JUST DON’T SAY YOUR EXPLORING ALL POSSIBILITIES AND NOTHING COMES OF IT. I BEG YOU TO TAKE A RISK ON THIS OR A LEAP OF FAITH! IF ITS UNSUCCESSFUL FINE YOU LOOSE SOME MONEY BUT AT LEAST YOU CAN FINISH THE STORY WITH ONE FINAL SEASON. BUT IF SUCCESSFUL YOU COULD OPEN THE DOOR TO A NEW LINE OF ENTERTAINMENT ONE THAT CUTS OUT THE MIDDLE MAN AND IS ALL ABOUT THE SHOW AND THE FANS THAT LOVE IT!

  • I’am agree with Starscapesg1, The show should move to another network!!! It will be very sad if the Stargate Franchise die!!! I love SGU and i would like to see at least a season more with a final for the serie!

  • Please Darren Summer if you have anyway to get in contact with anyone involved in Stargate please send them my previous message

  • Please everyone that loves SGU send my message to other websites if you agree with me hell copy and paste it I don’t care just spread the word! The word to save SGU!

  • “SG1 was great, Atlantis may have been better. SGU was/is terrible. I only watched it out of loyalty to the franchise. But it’s like they can’t take a hint, these guys. Everyone wants to know where the SGA movie is. They don’t want more SGU. Take a hint!”

    Don’t speak for everyone. I’d rather see more SGU than Atlantis. Of the 3 it’s my least favourite.

  • Yes lol a networke will take a show that has lower viewers that a 3 time chepper show.

  • @Slayme: Ah, here we go again! Show is successful, Nielsen is right. Show flops, Nielsen is wrong. Got it.

  • @Starscapesg1: Chain mails are deleted without reading. It was stated many times. 20 e-mails with the same text are spam, not a show of support. You want to support the show? Write them a personal e-mail – and without capslock, please.

  • SGU failed because the of slow pace and the stones, it was slow as hell, but SG-1 was too, the difference, syfy programming.
    Said that.
    I would love to see SGU back… but fixed.

  • katikatnik,
    Do you know where I could find a personal email address to someone on the show so that I can send them my message?

  • You know, for a lot of people this may come as a surprise, but I’m one of the people that wacthed EVERY SG-1, SGA, and now SGU episode MANY times without getting sick of any of it.

    But I am getting sick of people who keep insistiting tha SG-1 was much better than SGA, or that SGA was much better than SGU, I mean come on! People always think a sequel is worse than the original, believem e I know, in the first place a few years ago I thought the whole Atlantis story was a rip-off, until I saw it and was sold instantly.

    My point is actually, if you love a series, especially if you love a franchise, HOW can you say that the one is better than the other? I might be weird in thinking this but, I’m of the opinion that if you’re a fan of a franchise that wants to broaden it’s horizon, you’re not going to instantly decide that it was the worst mistake ever, and just because SGA was cancelled you won’t watch SGU or instantly decide that you’ll hate that show, that’s just not fair! I’ve always been of the opinion that just like with “Star Wars” or “Star Trek” you can’t say one of the movies or one of the different series is better than the other, they’re just different, ant that’s the point! If you were making a series you’d want to change a few things after so many years too, I’m sure of it.

    And one more thing, the people who keep yammering about how bad the dramatic effect of SGu is, think deep, because the whole damn real life is dramatic! It sucks! People die, parents die, fathers die suddenly without any warning… SGU just shows it, it just shows how damn hard life can be, how even worse it can be out there, somewhere on the edge of the universe, if you can’t see that, you probably can’t see how hard life is either and how you have to fight on through as best as you can with that too.

    I’ll love the entire Stargate franchise forever, and even though I was looking forward to the SGA movie, I rather have them finishing the SGU story in a good way first, it would be a shame for the franchise to have a series that ended on a cliffhanger and was never answered and/or concluded.

  • Franchises never die completely. Stargate will go into hibernation for several years, but it will return again. Look at how many times Star Trek was brought back from death’s door. Who knows, we will probably see a big screen Stargate theatrical reboot in a few years!

  • @ katikatnik
    You clearly haven’t understood what I’ve been saying nor what this article [...] http://io9.com/5636210/ [...] makes very plain. It’s not that the Nielsen ratings are right or wrong, it’s that the system that is used to generate them is incapable of being remotely accurate.

    Have you even read the article?

  • Slayne:
    All the shows use the same system. Why is the Neilson ratings system suddenly a problem when the ratings go down, but you’d have no problem if the numbers had been higher. Every show out there uses the same system. If SGU had gotten more viewers the ratings would have reflected this, just as they did for other shows that got higher ratings.
    It doesn’t really matter if some liked one show more than the other, or if some liked all of them, what matters is that NOT ENOUGH viewers liked SGU for whatever reason, and I think we’ve seem many of those reasons listed here and on other boards.

    Heero:
    I think everyone is aware how hard life can be. What has that got to do with SGU. SGU doesn’t educate me on life or how to handle difficult situations. How can a bunch of misfits like those on Destiny tell me anything about life. These people act like criminals and I’m meant to believe that they were chosen for the Stargate Programme. Please !!
    I’m aware there are selfish self absorbed people out there who only care about themselves, but there are also selfless decent people out there who don’t fall to pieces in a crisis, who don’t sleep with their subordinates and cheat on their wives, who don’t bicker and backstab and kill people for their own means.

    I know that there are psychos out there but I don’t expect to see a load of them in charge of one of the most important discoveries of our time.
    Young isn’t fit to command. How did he get to be full bird Colonel. How did Rush ever pass any psyche test. Do the military really kidnap computer geeks and wisk them into Space for figuring out a game, what does that say for all the scientists of the world. Do politicians take their children to secret government locations. Nothing about SGU is realistic, it just highlights all the worst traits of human nature.

  • The Tenth Doctor,
    You obviously have no appreciation or passion for the Stargate franchise anymore. You have given up and that’s fine that’s your choice. But please don’t get on here for the sole purpose of putting people down. Some of us wanna save SGU so unless you got something constructive or helpful to say please don’t say anything.

  • @Starscapesg1 But this particular article is about the Atlantis movie, of course you are going to have people who are not pleased by SGU or the state of the franchise posting here.

    PS – Darkness and reality on SGU? Not a single major character has died in almost 2 seasons. What happened to the “everybody is in jeopardy”? They are safer than the SGA or SG1 characters were.

  • to heero:
    sga didnt end with the line “to be continued” as a gliffhanger but it ended without any proper ending where all the things were left unsolved like they took atlantis back in our galaxy to save earth and then left the other galaxy to die off with the last of the wraith and michael greations .. sg1 and sga have always being to end with good guys win and so on if they made something wrong they fixed it but with that ending they just left other galaxy to die

    so what that sgu will end with a gliffhanger makes no differance on that point cause they did same with atlantis and didnt care about it anymore and gived hope for a movie what was in the start to know that this is only a great dream for the fans what will never happen

    i liked sg1 and when they started atlantis i was all hands in for it cause in sg1 they didnt continue with exploring the atlantis after season 8
    if they started to talk about the sgu i gived it a try and i have watched the show till today and it has got better but still the show didnt have a good start cause all was to slow and to much of pointless episodes with the stone device and so on what actually killed the series cause it was hard to get on the hook with the start

    i know that sg1 and sga was based on gate trawel series and sgu is based on the chip and less gate trawel but they have not discovered enough cool stuff in the chip sofar and they have like only 10 rooms with the drama
    it’s still sad that they didnt make it with this show

    the main thing about scient fiction shows is the positive future and all the tech fantasy with stories what have you hooked in front of tv but if the stories are slow and with as little story u get out of the episode then it does not get you hooked
    i like the sgu story but it took full one season to the point where it started to get interesting and now when it is interesting all the viewers are lost already cause the show was not that interesting in the start

  • @ Sylvia – The actors for the main cast probably wouldn’t have signed if they weren’t promised a certain amount of episodes/seasons where they had a steady pay check and from a production, writing, etc stand point it doesn’t make much sense to invest the respective efforts into a character and then to abruptly kill them off, its better to leave their fate ending in a question mark like what they did with Rush and Telford. Killing off a character and then subiquently bringing them back with a weak reasoning (something like, I don’t know, killing a doctor in an explosion and bringing him back as a clone….) tends to leave a bad taste in the viewers mouths.

    Everything else:

    In regards to the SGA movie, I think it is a good thing they shelve it. Being shelved isn’t the same as it being out right canceled (though some would contend it’s the same or worse), it just means that for the foreseeable future it wont be worked on. I personally don’t care one way or the other as I felt the finale was pretty bad but that’s just my two cents.

    Finally when it comes to a possible 4th series, the worst thing they could do is try to get a new one off the ground as quickly as possible. As we saw with SGU, it just is a bad idea to do that. What they need to do is take a step back, look closely at what they did wrong with SGA and SGU, what worked in the past three shows and then most importantly take a long hard look at the writers they have on staff and decide who gets to stay and who has to get the hell out. If that means a year or so without hearing about a new SG show but good writing, acting and so forth comes from it then so be it, the fans who value such things will tune in and maybe MGM might pick up a few more of em.

  • Sylvia,
    The whole point of this article is about how SGU affects the whole Stargate franchise which some people just arent getting!

  • Starscapesg1 – No, YOU obviously have no idea what you are talking about. I have plenty of passion for the Stargate franchise, and I admire your passion for SGU, but I rather think that your potential efforts will very much be in vain. Ain’t gonna happen, kid. And I am sorry for that. Constructive enough for ya?

  • @Starscapesg1: The easiest way would be through Twitter, to be honest. MGM is there, SyFy is there. Or at least ask MGM over there for a correct e-mail addy if the one on their web’s not working :)

  • @Slayme: Yes, I read the article. And I understand the flaws of Nielsen: small sample, internet viewing etc.

    But fact also is that all shows on TV are measured by the same system. If SGU’s ratings are downsized, then so are everybody else’s. And people with Nielsen boxes are chosen carefully, their names aren’t simply pulled out of a hat, and statistics is still a science that calculates in errors.

    Also, if you look at SGU’s ratings in different countries – that do not use Nielsen – they basically copy the US. A large group of people sampled it and it went downhill from there.

    Also internet viewing is all nice and dandy – but Hulu or iTunes do not bring money to SyFy anyway, only to MGM and to Hulu and iTunes. So, as long as TV shows are aired on networks, online viewing will be be of little consequence for them – they need people to watch it on TV.

    And even now, SyFy is measuring its web hits, overall and the unique ones and when there is something to report, they do, oftentimes through PR releases that can be found on TVbythenumbers.com.

    So yes, Nielsen is flawed but right now, there is nothing else there. And the representatives of the broader public obviously prefer to watch W13 to SGU on their TV.

  • @blackhawlk: “Young isn’t fit to command. How did he get to be full bird Colonel. How did Rush ever pass any psyche test. Do the military really kidnap computer geeks and wisk them into Space for figuring out a game, what does that say for all the scientists of the world. Do politicians take their children to secret government locations. Nothing about SGU is realistic, it just highlights all the worst traits of human nature.”

    This exactly.

    I always wondered how anybody of them passed their psych evaluation. I mean I can take a bad apple or two – see Kavanagh on SGA or McKay on SG-1 – but not a full cart of them. These people had absolutely no place on an alien outpost. The writers took “the wrong people in the wrong place” so far that they made it ridiculous. Those people weren’t scooped up on the street – except for Eli – they should’ve been the best of the best, that’s what SGC has always been about. But SGU made a farce out of it!

  • I’m not at all surprised. SGA was more entertaining and maybe a little too perfect and progressive, but it was good. SGU has little humor, and VERY little progression. Also, SGU is also dark and grim, somewhat depressing.

    maybe they should revive SGA, SG1, or a mixture of both if they want to continue the series. maybe they should invent a stargate that dials other realities (not just other earths), but radically different universes, whatever. The stargate still has massive potential; if the producers can’t see that, then they’re not using enough of their imagination. then again, i understand all this requires lots upon lots of money.

    i miss the characters: Mckay, Col. Sheppard, Daniel, Mitchell, Teal’c, i would say Vala but she’s hardly ever serious. Amanda Tapping’s moved on.

    as for cancelling the other Stargate series, all i have to say is TYPICAL and exactly the thing i expected.

  • Oh fercrissakes! Can we just get a single thread for all the “I told you so’ers”?

    How many of you people even work in the entertainment business? Must be a bunch judging by all the genius posts. So many ex studio bosses! Sheesh!

    SG-1 episode ‘Window of Opportunity’. Imagine you are the PTB or the cast and you are told that SG is your career. That’s what the fans want so you have no choice.

    Can you see what’s wrong with this? You just get to a point of creative burnout.

    SG-1 had closure in both variations.

    Atlantis is home.

    Let’s get a finish to SG-U and hope for a new, more lighthearted series in the future. That is the strength of Stargate.

    Thanks to everyone for the SG experience. Good job!

    Now quityerbitchin and enjoy the ride. Life’s too short.

  • Is anyone surprised by this news? None of the SGA fans appear to be. They gave up on the movie long ago when Mallozzi pretended that there was a glimmer of hope while keeping the SGA actors in the dark.

    The only people who are propping this up as new information are posters who want to try and shame SGA fans into taking responsibility for SGU’s utter and complete failure. Give it up guys, SGU ruined the franchise because no one wanted to watch it.

  • Yeah…. So why does Joseph Mallozzi get to decide what is made and isn’t?? MGM owns the rights to the Stargate Franchise. It’s their call what is made… Joseph Mallozzi is nothing more than a person employed to write Stargate for them… They could always bring in new writers to replace the current writers if they see fit.

  • What has been said here should not be a surprise to no one. It was evident from the start they wanted to push this flawed SGU show. The show failed because no one wanted the drama.
    All i can say is reshoot the S2 final. Make the Planet builders pull them home. With an excuse that the human race should not be there yet. Not yet.

  • Make a mini-series and give Universe a proper end, then move on to either another series or more SG-1 movies. I’d personally love a series centered around the Tok’ra, perhaps before they meet the Tau’ri.

  • Well, I can say with utter certainty that the Failure of SGU was due to the gay content. I no longer watch SGU or any new Stargate because of that. I will not allow my family to view such depravity and Moral Decay. Thanks, but, no thanks!

  • @skadi
    The Tok’ra before meeting SG1. Oh thats a good idea!! I’d watch that! I do miss the Goa’uld.

  • When your livelihood is based on the whims of fans, it is your job to be on the pulse of those fans’ whims and to give them what they want. Plain and simple. I work in a client-oriented industry and we have to give the clients what they want or they will go away. No matter what I would like to do. They failed to give the people what they wanted and the fans essentially fired them. This is the way any client-oriented industry works. SGU was a failure by all measurable means and now it is cancelled. If they finish it in a movie and the movie actually does even a semi-descent job of resolving the series, then they prove that they were moving much too slow. Otherwise the movie ruins it even further. It is for the best, though. The producers spat on the long-standing fans and then expected them to rally to the rescue when they need them. And now they have the attitude that if we don’t give them what they want, they’ll take their toys and go home. Well, let them. I initially thought Joe Flanigan was being a bit bitter in his comments about the egos taking over the show, but now it’s become pretty clear that he was just telling it how it was. Well, I hope their egos keep them company while they’re cleaning out the Stargate offices.

  • @DanJack

    “The thing about Jonas is he wasn’t hated by most people. What was hated was that Daniel was gone, and some chose to take it out on Jonas. ”

    Sorry buddy, but if you really believe that Jonas wasn’t hated then you clearly weren’t around at the time. I was. Take my word for it, there was plenty of hate, including hate websites and death threats. And I’m done with this topic.

    I guess there’s also no point in hanging around the thread if nobody is willing to explain why BW is blamed for destroying SGA out of boredom post season 5 when he had in fact left the show 2 years earlier. I guess it’s better to just ignore facts, huh?

    Cheers

  • This blows. First my excitement for a stargate MMO went down in flames, then my hopes for an Atlantis movie burned up in the atmosphere, and now my love for the stargate franchise as a whole is dwindling. I can’t believe all of Stargate might actually be over…….forever.

  • I can’t say I’m sorry for SGU though. Stargate was known for its light-hearted nature. Atlantis and SG-1 pulled that off perfectly. SGU is a Stargate soap opera and I believe it was the death of Stargate; a huge mistake.

    The premise of SGU would have been awesome had they just stuck to the original feel of the stargate series’. The dramatic nonsense and lack of action in the series really hampered my desire to watch it. I stopped watching SGU and really haven’t bothered to catch up because I just don’t quite care enough to.

    A star trek voyager-style stargate series isn’t a bad idea. I liked the idea of hurtling through the universe in an unknown ship and exploring things nobody ever dreamed of. If only I could stand to watch it.

  • @Petra: Go and read what was posted in the SGU cancellation thread. Links and quotes and all that. No need to repeat it again here.

  • @katikatnik – Thanks for that link. There are links to various interviews there that, after reading again, makes it really clear that SGU was doomed from the beginning. It should never have been a Stargate show. The producers didn’t want to do Stargate anymore. They just thought that slapping the Stargate name on it would make it work. Instead, the herd stampeded and now the handlers have lost the whole thing. If they were losing interest, they should have been trying to find people whom were interested to take over the reigns. After seeing this as being their ‘vision’, I think their careers are better suited for early afternoon serials rather than sci-fi. Their brand of show fell by the wayside long ago. There is no place for ‘Dallas’ in space.

  • I can’t say I’m surprised. Although I had high hopes for a third SG1 movie, and a 1st SGA movie, it just never seemed to develop. Perhaps it was a number of factors that played into this. The consistently low ratings of SGU, the MGM bankruptcy, and perhaps even the fact that SyFy/Sci-Fi channel has repeatedly shown that they are not, indeed (to borrow Teal’C’s popular single word phrase), at all Science Fiction oriented, and finally it may be the lack of what made the first two series great which was a plot-driven storyline rather than character-driven. Add to that the problem of making a “Sci-Fi” Soap Opera. Yes, that is what SGU was pure and simple. No one can deny that there was just a lot more drama than we cared to watch. I mean, when I am watching ANY science fiction series, be it SG1, SGA, or even Star Trek for that matter, I’m expecting to be entertained, not shown something that happens already in real life, which to me is dull and rather depressing.

    For what it’s worth, I hope that the new MGM, Mallozzi and Mullie, Brad Wright, and Bob Cooper can strategically find a way to get the fans what they want, which is an SGA movie! I could care less if they ever make another SG movie after that at all, I just want to see some conclusions, even if they are loose conclusions. Sadly, until they feel they can rake in the dough (money), there will never be an SGA movie, and nor will there be any attempts to find another outlet. We might as well face facts. The Stargate franchise is, for all intents and purposes, DEAD!

  • @katikatnik

    INDEED…I was flaberghasted at the words in this blog. The BSG Powers definitely moved on and accepted their mistake. These Stargate Producers seem to be the most OBSTINATE and hard headed people I’ve ever seen.

    I HOPE SGA would continued after this cancellation that they would see the light but clearly I underestimated the shear arrogance and hatred these men have toward Stargate Atlantis. This was a personal statement…These aren’t exes and producers contemplating their financial children these are frat boys. They’re plot and scheming to get their way.

    This is it for me. I’m done following Stargate. These people CLEARLY don’t give a lick about the viewer even when they tell them enmass that the product quality is poor. I think I’m done here.

  • I think the reason SyFy is doing this is that they are trying to steer away from the scifi genre because they are not getting the numbers they want

  • Well, I saw this coming from a mile away. Not surprised in the least.

    Though, I have to admit the tone of what Mallozzi said seems a bit “You guys didn’t like my show so I’m taking my toys and going home…so there”

    In a way this is a relief, because even though I had major major doubts the movie would ever happen, a small part of me was hoping. Now I don’t have even a little bit of hope, so I can move on to other things and leave Stargate in the past as a fond memory, which in truth is what it has been for me for quite a while now.

    Sadly, Mallozzi and the rest of TPTB are missing a good chance to mend some bridges. But then I don’t get the feeling they really want to. It’s sad because it’s going to cost them the franchise.

    Anyways, not sure I’ll be back to gateworld after this, as possible news of the movies was the only thing that was really bringing me back. So to Darren and the rest of the gang, thanks for keeping us all informed and for putting up with all of our B.S. :) Your hard work was much appreciated.

  • The one main thing I have noticed about the franchise is that it has had the ability to create such divisions in its fan base and I think only a great franchise could have accomplished that

  • @Petra,

    I was around during the Jonas era, I was even part of the Save Daniel Jackson campaign. I even donated money for all the stupid little key chains and other junk sent to MGM, and the worst of that has nothing on the hate and vitriol most feel for SGU. It’s not just one character that some feel betrayed another one in the show, it’s an entire series loathed by the fans, and put on the spit because it utterly fails and tries to apologize for all the things that made the franchise great in the first place.

    Stepping back from it, I have to laugh to see one of the most loyal fan bases for any series revolt and ultimately help destroy the franchise they supported.

    I guess ultimately a series lives and dies by its viewers and the viewers are what killed SGU.

  • First off i would just like to say hello to everyone as i have been visiting this site for many years but until now never joined in.

    Ok well bad news about the atlantis movie as shocking as turkey at christmas but still bad. I would just like to say to those who are blaming the SGU boycotters that this is the death of stargate. To many SG1 SGA fans stargate died some time ago with the cacellation of atlantis in order to let the producers make an expensive imitation BSG clone. Well if you want to do that dont highjack the stargate franchise name and try to shove it down the throats of the established fanbase. They will voice their opinions with viewing numbers and as they have shown they did not like what they saw. As for my self i have given SGU a fair chance and have watched every episode yet i have failed to get engaged with the story the plot and i use that term loosely or any characters. With the exeption of 4 or 5 episodes you could be forgiven for not knowing you were watching anything to do with the stargate universe. That said a break for a few years, time to get new crew in place new producers may be just what the franchise needs and to learn an inportant lesson create what you want but if you dont give fans, established fan bases more than any other what they want then your creation will not live long.

  • I’m constantly surprised by the number of people who suggest that SGA fans hoped somehow that by the cancellation of SGU, their favorite show would come back into production.

    Um, no. At least not for this fan. My anger toward TPTB had do to with their enormous hubris in the *manner* in which they dissed SGA (and its fans) in the promotion of SGU. Lest we forget, these are the same people who stated loudly that they did not need the previous fan base, that their show was going to be so fantastic that it would stand on its own and that it was strong enough to stand up to a fall lineup instead of starting in the summer as usual for a Stargate series.

    How can we be both the negligible demographic and the powerhouse that brought SGU down? This is just backpedaling and respinning as done by TPTB to save face when it comes time to lobby for their next projects. They keep changing their story left and right: cancellation of SGU will not bring you an SGA movie. Right. Got it. Wait a minute, cancellation of SGU has caused SGA movie to be canceled? Don’t make me laugh. YOU WERE NEVER MAKING IT. They are even denying now that SGU was guaranteed 2 seasons by making the decision to not run s1 of SGU with s5 of SGA. They seem to forget that the *internet* forgets nothing…

    Expecting me to watch a show I find boring and dreary with no likable characters simply because I’m a ‘fan of the franchise’? Let me tell you–if the show was really as good as TPTB seemed to think it was then even the most die-hard hater would have watched it. Why? Because they wouldn’t want to be left out of the party. Near as I could tell, if a party did exist, it wasn’t large enough to bring in the needed revenue.

    TPTB are blaming the ‘false’ ratings numbers on the fact that the show was DVR’d and that their ‘younger, more tech-savvy audience was watching it through other methods. Well, I hate to break it to them, but that’s an industry wide problem and not special to SGU. Yes, a long hiatus and screwy schedules hurt the show, but it was in trouble before it moved to Tuesday nights. And you know what? WH-13 did just *fine* on Tuesdays.

    These rabid SGA fans who boycotted the show and hurt its ratings? Were they also among the ones who tuned in for the first couple (or ten) episodes and then never came back after the first hiatus?

    What killed SGU was SGU itself. It didn’t carry the numbers. And you know what? I don’t *want* to see a SGA movie made by the same people.

  • one of the main reasons why sga was doing so well was because it had sg1 as a lead in for 2 season. SGA was a very bad show on many levels. Alot of the episodes were to close to sg1 stories. The characters were horrible except the big 2 and the wraith were an awesome enemy were turned into clowns.The acients couldnt defeat the wraith but in 2 yrs on limited resources the wraith were turned into nothing come on.I liked sga because it was Stargate and there are a few episodes i really really loved but overall it was terrible.I dont think it should have been cancelled. Sgu had better actors,acting,and sotry arcs. Sgus main problem was that there wasnt enough “lore” or tech in each episode. Both will be missed.

  • Sga’s were not great in season 3,4,5 and thats a same because season 4 1/2 and 5 were the shows best season. Sgu had a ton of potential and i was really looking foward to seeing were the brought the story but its dead.

  • I have been following Stargate franchise from the original movie way back when. Loved SG1-It took me a while to SGA, but it finally won me over. It is disappointing to hear we may never see a proper conclusion to this series. Much like SGU may likely face. Which would be unfortunate, as this series was a refreshing change to the other incarnations and to other shows out there at the moment.

    Just because something is different to what other incarnations are doesn’t mean it cannot be part of the franchise. Take Star Trek as an example- DS9 was vastly different to other incarnations but it is still part of that franchise. That show made me love the franchise more because they were not afraid to do something different and not use the same story ideas. I do not want to be mistaken, I do enjoy all incarnations of both franchises and believe that each series of both did have their own problems.

    To conlude, IMO I see a lot of what has been happening to dramatic/arc sci-fi/genre shows (SGU, Caprica, Defying Gravity, cancellations) will be the way of the future. They will not be given the chance to grow their audience and show us what what the medium can really do if only given the chance, wonderful arcing stories about characters you can grow to enjoy and care about.

  • I’ve been a Stargate fan ever since the 1st movie. I didn’t know if I’d like Atlantis, but I watched it anyways, and I loved it. It quickly became my favorite above SG1. I started buying the Stargate magazine because of SGA, and I own all of SGA on DVD. I don’t even own all of SG1 – I have about 3 seasons that I bought used. I bought each season of SGA new the week it was released. Because I’m a Stargate fan and SGU was a Stargate product, I tried to give it a chance, but I found it boring and the characters hard to like. I like several of the actors involved (LDP, RC, and MN) – but even their involvement couldn’t keep my interest. Having more well-known actors on cast doesn’t automatically make the show good. I don’t even know half the character’s names, nor did I find myself caring enough about them or the storyline to make an effort to find out. Aside from the eps where they went off ship to a planet, the sets are dark and makes it hard to see the action. I cared more about the characters on SG1 and SGA and they were portrayed (except for RDA) by relatively unknown actors at the time, but I fell in love with the characters they portrayed and the relationships they created on their shows. That didn’t happen for me with SGU. I still try to watch it if I remember, but I find myself multi-tasking while it’s on. It doesn’t keep my full attention like even the re-runs of SG1 and SGA do. It is a lot different from SG1 and SGA. I’m not a BSG or Caprica fan, and maybe SGU tried to hard to be like those shows. All I know is it doesn’t appeal to me. If you like the first 2 it doesn’t automatically mean you will like SGU, nor do I get this mentality that because I am a “Stargate” fan that I should like any and all projects within the Stargate realm. If MGM decides that SG1 and SGA were more profitable and deserve more movies, great. If they don’t, well, I have my memories and my dvd’s.

  • Sigh… I think the franchises 38 minutes has passed. Too late for SG-1 and SGA continuations or movies and SGU is not getting renewed, no way. SG-1 was great, they couldn’t have continued it any longer. SGA was great, and had potential to continue, but s5 just didn’t quite cut it and TPTB moved to plan SGU, so they strangled SGA to make way for their spoiled brat. SGU varies in quality. Some eps are good, some are bad, s1 mostly bad, but s2 started warming up. To you universe lovers: Say what you say, but since Air, part 1 I had a feeling that the series wouldn’t last. I struggled through season 1 and knew that it was doomed. The creators didn’t get it to their skulls that after 12 years, it’s just too late to switch from optimism laced with humour and action to teen drama covered by pessimism and depression. If I wanted depressing, I wouldn’t watch SG in the first place would I? While I do agree that the story is good and it would have been stupid to just add another enemy to threaten Earth(especially since it would have made the characters efforts in SG-1 and SGA in vain) and the “we have to get home” focus is good,it’s hard to like a show when the only character I really like is Eli and some of the side characters like Brody, Volker and Park. But I knew from the start that this shows new directions were a mistake. What TPTB didn’t realize, that having long-running fanbase is good, because you can count on them to support you, if you continue to please them. But apparently they think that the fans should support their every decision, and after 12 years any newcomers are hard-pressed to understand the concepts. Well, I’m not mad, just frustrated. It was an error on their part, but the thing is that it kinda killed my favorite franchise. And if you are thinking about answering me and saying “You didn’t support SGU enough.” then … Being a fan doesn’t make you their slave. You like what you like and support that. It’s the basic carrot-stick thing, that’s used in anything from training animals to training soldiers. And I can’t even really support this franchise much, since I live in Finland, Europe, and our only channel showing SG reruns cancelled SG-1 after season 6. Sux.

  • OK, children… Enough is ENOUGH, dammit.

    It’s time to get the SG fan family back on a more mature track again. So forgive me if I rant…

    I’ve been coming to Darren’s site waaaay back, at a time when we had this lovable sci-fi show airing on a pay-cable service in the US (Showtime). I’ve been able to enjoy my SG through cast changes, tone changes, galaxy changes, etc., for all these past years spanning almost a decade and a half.

    I loved SG-1, I loved SGA, and I loved SGU. “Change is good”, to coin an old saw.

    On this last experiment: To me, SGU was no different, in that I was getting used to changes in the direction of the franchise as a whole. Now, that’s not to say I didn’t have any reservations at some of the tangents those same ‘changes’ took along the way; but I’d always give Joe, Brad, et al, the benefit of the doubt during those changes, since they’ve always proven themselves throughout the franchise’s run that they knew what the SG fans will ultimately enjoy and accept.

    They came up short this time, people.

    And we have to be mature enough to accept that.

    Now, before some of my fellow pro-SGU posters start to pout and stamp their wee little feet in unbridled anger at my last statement, let me say that I hold some of your own feelings that others in our SG fan base (most notably, some SGA fans) did go a bit above and beyond in their protestations at the early termination of the must-beloved Atlantis. That much is TRUE.

    That said, I’ve been just as embarrassed at some of the pro-SGU posters here– who should’ve been properly representing *me* in those pro-SGU arguments on this site– going on, and on, and *ON*, about how those loud SGA fans were the ones who got Syfy to cancel SGU.

    I say that those same SGU fans- who continue to vent this particular rubbish- need to put down that angry red crayon they accuse the SGA fans of using themselves.

    Those posters here in the know- briangate and the like- can tell you that, even if the anti-SGU fans on this site became an organizational force to be reckoned with, they would not be enough to sway Nielsen box holders, who are very *un*-likely to be going to all the sites of the various shows they’re “monitoring” and recording into their Nielsen logbooks, let alone staying at those sites in order to engage in battles with some of the fans of those shows they’re monitoring as well…

    No, our trusty show runners- whom we trusted to maintain the franchise through changes large and small- are the ones who must burden themselves with this failure. I was not critical of the direction of the SG franchise- far from it, as a matter of fact; but I cringed quite often and were critical at the *execution* of those directions. Eps like “Earth” and “Life” had its moments, but overall those particular eps seemed to be executed in a very unnatural manner– even in the pocket universe that is sci-fi and “Stargate” itself.

    Like a parent of a child that had great support, endless potential, and talents to envied by all, I would greet the execution of most episodes in S1 with head-shaking disappointment, but at the same time with a warmth of love that “it is still a Stargate show, and they (the PTB) will right the flow in the next eps to follow, as they always have in years past”. But with a few rare S1 exceptions like “Water” and “Time”, they whiffed… very badly, I might add.

    Now for those of us with parent-protection-mode SGU-love, we we still willing to wait for our show runners to make creation better, and to get it RIGHT. But by that time, anti-SGU Gatefans,- as well as non-aligned Nielsen voters-, had given up on this show, and DID NOT COME BACK. And for the minute few Nielsen voters that also happened to be long-time SG viewers iffy at the direction of the franchise, they were then told by Joe M and company- in so many words- that they were not bright enough to see the glorious direction they were sending Stargate into. *Ouch*. Oh, there were many more blunders than this; but this was just a microcosm of the missteps our beloved Holders of the Stargate Franchise took; in effect, people, they began to get too full of themselves.

    The rest, as they say, is history.

    We SGU fans just cannot keep blaming the other fans of SG1/SGA because they voiced their opposition to this show; SGU had to stand, or fall, on its own accord, via the producers and writers whom always seemed to have a gauge on the correct way to tell these stories in Stargate versions past. When it showed that they did NOT this time around, the old fans left; the newer viewers never did take hold; and Syfy just could not justify keeping on a low-rated show such as SGU, where other shows– and other incarnations of SG lore itself– succeeded.

    The SG1 and SGA fan base- loudly obnoxious or otherwise- is still a proud part of our greater SG family. So, to some of my fellow pro-SGU posters here (and you know who the hell you are), I ask you to stop this damned nonsense.

    Sorry to go over my time limit.

  • I hope that SGU comes back as well as the SG1 and SGA movies. Although the main people that we should blam in SYFY for moving the show to Tuesday Night. As well as showing the new episodes when the main networks are doing the same thing. Otherwise they should move it back to Friday Nights or move it to BBC America. Since that is were the new episodes of Doctor Who can be found.

  • its not the fact that they cancelled sga (sg1 had a great run, and entertained us for many years) its the fact that with out us (the fans) they would of had nothing, we spent our money buying stargate dvds and sg1 dvds bought the sg1 movies also, and when we finally ask for something in return (sga movie) after all the years of fan devotion we get ignored, pushed to the side, we dont know whats best, well im sorry we do, we supported sg1 sga for good reason, we didnt support sgu for an even better reason, listen to us (fans) we know what we want its why we watched in the first place and stopped watching now.

  • @medegno51

    I’m with you. I think its sad to see such hostilities and lack of support for Stargate as a whole amongst the fans.

    Maybe SGU won’t create quite the same nostalgia I have for SG1 or even Atlantis, but SGU is Stargate. Now, I can’t speak for the shows creators but I’m pretty sure the Universe name was chosen not only to allude to Destiny’s mission, but to re-enforce that fact. They may not be running off towards adventure in-tune with a catchy theme song every week, but its still very much a part of the all encompassing universe of Stargate.

  • You can bet that Mollozzi is being vindictive with that statement about the SGA movie. He also blames the SGA fans for the failure of SGU. SGU was an alright show, it came nowhere close to the qaulity of SG-1 and SGA. If he somehow gets SGU ressurrected i guarntee his so called story will be altered from his current vision. I doubt the resurrection will happen. They will take the SGA movie budget to do a SGU wrap up. Mr Mollozzi still doesnt see that a stargate knockoff of syfy’s battlestar galatica was a bad idea. So stargate dies. to be shelved until they can reboot it for another generation. Sounds familiar doesnt it. I wonder if they will get Chris Pine to play Jack Oneill in the reboot.

  • @robdog84:
    Believe it or not, I’m one of the SGU fans here that totally agrees with your sentiment.

    While I wanted SGU itself to succeed, I was really taken aback by Joe and Brad’s treatment of you SG1/SGA fans (and it was *their* own words, not disgruntled SG bloggers and the like).

    Another example: Mo Ryan can be a bit too dismissive about shows she happens to be reviewing sometimes, but she was dead on about the pacing and execution of the first eps in the SGU universe; but, my, the way Brad emptied his soul on Mo for her critiques of certain elements of the SGU eps she received- albeit incomplete ones, granted- was very un-Brad-like (from previous seasons of seeing/hearing his opinions, that is), very unprofessional, and petty (ironically, the same word he used to describe Maureen). It was at that time I began to get a sickening feeling in my gut, that this particular SG enterprise maybe was headed for trouble. In hindsight, it seems that a lot of people were right.

    Biting the hand that feeds you is never a good way to maintain a steady stream of sustenance…

  • @gatefan2486:

    Yes, I agree the move to Tuesdays was the final blow here, but SGU was already circling the drain– ratings-wise, execution-wise, and to an even larger extent, fandom-wise.

    Now, it is *true* that the stories being aired just prior to that move were infinitely much better than the front half of S1, the damage was already done to casual viewers, Nielsen voters, and much of our home SG fan base. THAT, my friend, is purely the responsibility of our guys in the show-runners’ offices.

  • Although most of the negative comments about SGU are tough to argue with BUT….I cannot argue with the thought that SyFy’s abrupt cancellation may have been pre-mature.

    I make 2 points

    1. They abruptly canceled Caprica. At the time I thought, no big deal that show was not very good. Than I continued to watch the final 5 episodes online. I have to tell you if you have not seen them yet you will love them. The final 5 episodes may have saved that series.

    2. Often in television the ratings are direct reflections of the prior episode. Usually a really good episode is followed by good ratings. I have to say the last 2 SGU episodes were great. They left me wanting to see what happens next. SGU’s big mistake was not introducing the larger story sooner. I was sick of character development and ready for a good arching story. As soon as one comes to light SyFy cancels the series. I’m betting just like Caprica the final SGU episodes will leave Stargate fans wanting more.

  • I watched Stargate SG-1 from the very start including repeats. Same for Stargate Atlantis. I tried to watch Stargate Universe but it was so very slow in unfolding plots and even basic story lines that I found it rather boring compared to SG-1 and Atlantis. It tries to be a little more cerebral but it really isn’t. I was very surprised that Universe got a second series. It is such a shame that the focus changed from the movies to Universe. That said, universe was a well acted show and well crafted, it just didn’t have the interesting mix of characters that SG-1 and Atlantis had. It didn’t ‘grab my attention’. I just hope this doesn’t mean the complete extinction of the franchise.

  • @bum783
    I totally agree with you I watched Caprica from the start and I liked it but i wasn’t surprised when they canceled it then I bought season 1.5 and watched the last five episodes and I found my knees bouncing up and down like they did when battlestar was on. SGU was slow to start out but they definitely canceled it right when it was getting good and like Caprica SGU is gonna end with us wanting more. I hope they save it some how!

  • I have been a fan of SG since I watched the first movie in theaters. To know that the studio has dropped SGU and has shelved the movies. Is This howthey treat the loyal fans who mak their ratings and buy their products. I say give us our shows and our movies that we deserve..

  • I think that a 3rd Season of SGU should be made because it’s not as if there wasn’t enough Seasons of SG-1 and they didn’t leave a Cliffhanger at the end of SGA, the most important thing needed is another season of SGU :)

  • @ngreen

    Of course they are related 2 Series Cancelations out of the last 3 seasons in the Stargate Franchise. The Final season of SGA was its worse and now there are 2 failed seasons in SGU. Although that does not exactly mean that fans have lost interest in Stargate all together, BUT it is a huge statistic that would be tough for MGM to overlook.

    Making a Stargate DVD now would be like betting on the Detroit Lions. It dont mean you are sure to lose, but seriously would you do it?

  • I’d Just like to say thanks to all the SGA fans that said that they wouldn’t watch SGU and have slagged it off for two seasons, you have now shot yourselves in the foot. Its because of you SGU got cancelled and you have even now managed to get SGA movie cancelled as well and you call yourself fans. And because of this there will probably never be another stargate. And even now sga fans are saying” well i knew they wouldn’t make a sga film” – they were going to until you screwed it up. SGU was fantastic and i would have watched it all the way. Stargate isn’t always about how they bring down the Goa’uld or wraith in 45 minutes, there are other stories as well and i think that the cast and stories we top quality. By people saying how much it sucked how many of you watch every episode before you came up with you conclusion of the show. Its a shame that so called fans spoilt it for the rest of us? I bet you all love galactica, now thats a show that sucks and i have watched 95% of the episodes so i can say that. Well thats my rant over but out of sga, sg-1 and SGU if any of them return i would choose SGU anyday. Shame the dicks at SCI FY actually listen to you small minded people. Get over the fact SGA is gone and let and new series take a shot.

    Peace!

  • @bum783 SGA was NOT cancelled. Syfy was completely willing to air a season 6 if it had been offered by MGM. The movie should not be shelved because of the failure of SGU to capture an audience.

  • You have to learn from the mistakes/lessons from
    days past.

    Before getting to Stargate, let’s talk a little about the SCI FI world; let’s Take Joss Whedon for example…

    Buffy started with a very small budget & as it
    built a audience, it got bigger & bigger; smart
    move, lesson learned(or should have been) by
    Josh Whedon & all the SCI FI world.

    Then he launch Firefly with a very BIG budget; bad move, as a SCI FI series is slowly building a audience(& momentum) you just can’t spend around 2 Millions a episodes.Firefly get
    cancel.

    You have to learn from the mistakes/lessons from
    days past.

    Joss Whedon gets another chance.
    Don’t spend to much money this time; don’t dare
    spend over 25 millions for your Serenity movie; if you got a very big story, better to split it in two & make two movies than to cram it all in one & overspend, if you don’t want it to be the tombstone of the Firefly/Serenity franchise.

    Serenity cost around 40 millions.
    Serenity barely got back the money they spend making it.Serenity is the Tombstone of the Firefly/Serenity Franchise.
    Let’s hope the very talented Joss Whedon learned is lesson this time.

    You have to learn from the mistakes/lessons from
    days past.

    Let’s start at the beginning(one beginning at least) of the SG-1 series; when they decided to
    continue SG-1 after season 8 ; Brad Wright said(in the SG Magazine)
    that he push very hard to have it named Stargate
    Command but Ultimately MGM wanted it to be SG-1; he said that it would give the series more chances
    to last longer than just a couple of years.

    He added that Ultimately it didn’t matter,well …YES & NO; if you are starting a new series with season 1 salary’s then the future looks bright.
    But if you continue SG-1 while paying
    the actors/writers/producers,etc…a season 9
    salary you are basically signaling the end of your show.

    So they should have continue SG-1(to keep their world record) while giving
    the actors/writers/producers approximately a season 6 salary ; let’s face it the people who work on stargate always say that it’s like being
    part of a family & beside, they don’t seem greedy.They should have at least made them the offer.I believe that they would have all accepted it & SG-1 would have made it to their
    250 episodes.Maybe after season 10, continue with 12 episodes a year + a movie.
    I think what i just said could have save SG-1.

    You have to learn from the mistakes/lessons from
    days past.

    Lesson learned; you have to be very careful money wise with Stargate because it is a niche
    franchise(no manner how much you want it to be mainstream, it won’t, that’s why you can’t air it at the same time as all of the BIG channel Heavy hitters); spending to much of it signal the end of your Stargate show.(especially if it is spent in the first season)

  • You have to learn from the mistakes/lessons from
    days past.

    I remember when the cancellation of SG-A was announced, they were producing season 5 episodes
    18 Identity & i think that the last two episodes were already written.
    They didn’t really have the time/resources to produce a very good/satisfying ending.

    You have to learn from the mistakes/lessons from
    days past.

    You can’t have the entire season already done by the time they air the first episode(SG-U case) or be finishing the entire season when they are announcing the cancellation/renewal.
    That’s way to fast people.

    Unfortunately in SG-Universe case, both happen.
    For season one, the entire first season was already produced as the pilot was airing.
    That’s way to fast people.

    That’s why Brad Wright said in a interview that
    when they heard what the SG fans were criticizing, it was to late, they couldn’t go back & changed things.Sure they changed things
    in season 2, but the damage was done.

    They should have had the pilot viewed by a focus group made up of SG-1 & SG-A fans &
    never, never have been this fast in producing SG-Universe episodes(especially – Life)

    Braingate/Squall, the Syfy forum moderator, wrote something interesting:
    We also took the DVR numbers for “Life”, and it seemed a lot of people who played via DVR did not even finish watching the episode.

    They didn’t learn from the mistakes/lessons from
    days past for the first season of SG-Universe.
    Let’s see if they do for the second season…

    SG-Universe just got cancel & the last episode of the second season was produce(& end in a cliffhanger) before the renewal/cancellation decision was made/annonce.

    For the love of God, why don’t anyone ever learn from the mistakes/lessons from
    days past !?

  • I remember when Gateworld did a interview with
    Brad Wright ; he said that MGM, the SCI FI
    channel & himself agreed that the best way
    to move foward with the SG franchise was to
    end SG-A at 5 seasons
    & to launch a new SG show called SG-Universe.

    He should have insisted on getting the deals
    & money for SG Revolution & SG Extinction
    instead.
    Brad Wright, the SCI FI channel & MGM should have played it very, very safe.
    (to protect the SG franchise & to keep
    the SG/SCI FI channel fans/viewers)
    Both the SG-1 & SG-A sets were still up & both of the movies scripts were already written.

    Now…How many people agrees with my last
    3 posts ?

  • Personally SG-1 went downhill rather quickly when Richard Dean Anderson left, and the addition of Vala (Claudia Blacks’ character), but you could see it before then as well a lot of the mid season story lines where real bad and seemed more of a filler than anything else.
    In short poor scripts and storylines killed SG-1.

    SGA was good to a point but then the departure of Torri Higginson left the base and the show more or less rudderless and again the story lines and the scripts where poor, Richard Woolsleys as a character was real bad – yes he popped up in SG-1 and the character he played there was functional, but to be next posted to command Atlantis – poor poor storyline.
    Additionaly when we see Atlantis comming in to land on earth the “radar” shows it landing mid-atlantic, cue the next shot when they are in the San Fransisco bay area – an example of bad scripts and lack of continuity. And to be honest Rachel Lutterals character really got up my nose as did the character Ronan played by Jason ?

    As for SGU, this was a very fresh idea, the first couple of episodes could have been condensed in to one though as food, water, power would all have been essential and the first things you would have looked to see about – so a bit of poor scripting there. But overall I was liking SGU emensly it had a dark brooding atmosphere, there was no chance of e.g. the Deadalus popping up to help them out, at best they had the communication stones. Characters died, people got left behind, there was a lot less of the last minute “saving the universe” we where regularly fed on SG-1 and SGA another thing that didn’t happen on SGU that happened all too often on SG-1 and at least once on SGA was time travel and manipulating the passing of time. Yes it’s a SiFi show, but whilst most people will suspend their belief in many things due to “advanced alien technology” dabbeling with time is always a big no no as far as I am concered in any SiFi show or movie, none do it well with the exception of Dr. Who.

    having said all that I still did enjoy the SG shows and will mourn their respective passings.

  • I agree that they should have aired the pilot to a focus group and got feedback, and that they began to change things at the end of the second half of season 2.

    I still wonder if SyFy jumped the gun by canceling it before the first few episodes of the 2nd half air.

    Here is a better question when did SG jump the shark and is it too late for the franchise.

    I think that SG jumped the shark when they introduced the Ori. That story really personified the Ancients. They became less mysterious, and the universe became a smaller place. The only way to save the franchise in my opinion is to make a more mysterious and ancient ideology. Maybe that is what the second half of the season will do.

  • I can’t for the life of me figure out what people don’t like about SGU. I understand why it had bad ratings but everyone hating on it doesn’t make sense to me. I’ll admit the first half of season one was pretty dull but so was the first seasons of SG-1 and SGA. Universe finally gave us a show like the last three seasons of SG-1 where there was actualy a story line and true fans who watched every week were rewarded. Plus Universe was going to give all us true science fiction fans what we all loved the most about stargate, information about the Ancients. Information about the ancients from when they were much closer to us in evolution. I for one was glad to see a stargate show that wasnt so campy and have the cheesy jokes every ten minutes. Stargate needed to become more serious to get back to the feel of the original movie. I hope MGM finds some way to finish off the series. I for one would gladly prepay now for a DVD of season three. It just better get finished and not leave us hanging like with Atlantis

  • i agree with those who say SG1 was better pre season 9. I wasnt impressed with the lack of Jack in seasons 9 and 10. and I havent seen to many episodes of SGA or SGU but I think the people that are die hards for 1 series or another shouldnt bash the other 2 just because it isnt the same crew, or the story is different. Thats the whole point of it being called something different. and i dont think too much time has passed for another SG1 movie, things need to be tied up and happily ever afters and what-nots. I havent started watching SGA yet so I dont know if there needs to be a movie, and if there are loose ends from SGU, well either give us another season or a movie to tie it up. The only thing I hate worse than a surprise cancellation is a surprise cancellation with loose ends. and its already been stated that there are going to be loose ends so humor those of us who hate that with a passion and tie them up

  • Just so you guys know that if I hit mega millions tonight or tomorrow im paying for the next 3 seasons of SGU and for the SG1 and Atlantis movies!

  • I’ve been a fan of the Stargate franchise from it’s beginnings more than a decade ago on the SHOWTIME network. I was skeptical about this new spinoff series called Universe from the git-go. But in the ‘short’ run I rather enjoyed the series, but it never captured what made viewers care about of the franchises original offerings. In some ways I can understand and even respect how some folks could consider that a positive. But how can that be said about Stargate Universe? It never generated the numbers and audience Atlantis received. Even with it’s established and respectable cast and dark(edgy) storyline it failed to draw in viewers or bring back other Stargate fans. I remember reading this same site as folks ridiculed Atlantis ratings all those months ago. But Universe never bested it. Not once. Different or not, if it ain’t broke why fix it? Other than Eli, no one cared about any of the characters offered on Universe. None of them.

  • I agree with philly spartan I think they could have made the series almost exactly the same way, BUT made the characters a little more likeable. The characters could have drama and disagreements without going to the extreme of killing eachother.

    SGU keeps being compared to BSG, so going with that comparison BSG was dramatic, dark, and edgy, but they made the characters likeable.

  • By the way what did people think of the final 5 episodes of Caprica? Do you think SyFy jumped the gun canceling that show?

    I was not upset when they canceled Caprica, BUT after seeing the last 5 episodes it made me want to see more. Now I wish they did not cancel it.

    If you agree with me do you also think that the 2nd half of SGU could go the same way? Is it possible SyFy has just made the same mistake twice? Or do you disagree and think the last 5 episodes of Caprica were just as crappy as the rest?

    (I do not think this is a change of topic as I am discussing if SyFy is being hasty with their descision making.

  • I agree with Jago77 re: securing a budget for the movies. Even though MGM was in a financial crisis, Brad Wright managed to get the money for the re-release of Children of the Gods – completely unnecessary, IMHO – AND a huge budget for SGU. It was written on this very site that from the get-go he presented SGU as the most expensive SG series so far and he wasn’t willing to go forward with it until he had the money for it secure. Funny, he didn’t insist on securing the money for the SGA movie first when movies were purposely the reason for SGA’s cancellation. But then, as Mallozzi said, the SGA movie wasn’t BW’s film, so why should he bother, right? He got SGU, after all. And these are the people at the helm – they don’t care about the future of the franchise, just about the thing they have right now which is very unfortunate.

  • I just have to say that I wish Atlantis had continued instead of going to Universe. Maybe if they continued to work on Atlantis then they wouldn’t have to worry about Universe or even an Atlantis movie. I just didn’t like Universe at all. No comedy, nobody you can ultimately trust, and way too much sex! SG1 and SGA were good family shows with exactly what SGU were missing. But hopefully they will make an SGA movie before and SG1 movie. Mainly cause ppl want an SGA conclusion. Then maybe an SG1 movie. I do miss those guys.

  • One thing I will say about SGU is that if they had less sex and the characters more likable then it might have been a better series. SG is not always about humor, but SG1 and SGA always had humor somewhere in it. I do agree with scrap that SGU was a fresh idea. I wont repeat everything he said. I think that I would have liked it a whole lot more without the sex and everyone hating each other.

  • @Les_Geddon:

    Couldn’t have said it better myself.

    I liked each incarnation of SG on its own merits and style, and I didn’t go about dissing the hardened fans of each individual series because they didn’t happen to like one or the other amongst the three…

    And then this blaming the SGA fans for the downfall of SGU (see recent post of “Thanks SGA fans” for people’s exhibit #902) leaves me *just* as pissed off; as I’ve stated before, SGU fell on its own faults that’s already been listed here on this forum ad infinitum.

  • @medegno51
    You said: “We SGU fans just cannot keep blaming the other fans of SG1/SGA because they voiced their opposition to this show; SGU had to stand, or fall, on its own accord, via the producers and writers whom always seemed to have a gauge on the correct way to tell these stories in Stargate versions past. When it showed that they did NOT this time around, the old fans left; the newer viewers never did take hold; and Syfy just could not justify keeping on a low-rated show such as SGU, where other shows– and other incarnations of SG lore itself– succeeded.”

    THIS. Yes! Thank you for your succinct and clear statement of the problem.

  • I find it amusing every time I see an SGU fan blaming SGA fans for the demise of SGU when there simply weren’t enough SGU fans to matter. SGU fans were simply statistically insignificant. There just weren’t enough of them to matter.

    As for the SGA movie, it would be the producer’s responsibility to fight for such things. They’re too busy trying to save their ‘baby’ to care about what the fans want. So let them be unemployed for a while. They may find that coming off of a tremendous flop will have more of an affect on their careers than they would have hoped and maybe they’ll learn a lesson.

  • Noooooooooooooo

    Wait for get the movie just bring back the TV show now that universe is dead… kinda like how futarama came back from the dead after years off the air.

  • Starscapesg1 re: lol; i never buy lottery tickets, but your idea is a good one sir; i will start to &
    do the same as you if i win.
    What do say all SG fans & writers/producer,etc…
    Let’s all do that….To bad there’s isn’t a HUGE SG fan who’s rich & would be willing to invest =(

  • It’s obvious that a lot of people
    feel the same as i do.
    The success of the SG franchise as a lot to do money.

    First – launching Stargate Command(first season) instead of a SG-1 season 9 would have almost 100% guaranted that it would have lasted more then two years.

    Second – Producing SG extinction & SG Revolution
    instead of SG-Universe would have cost
    less(The scripts were already written &
    all of the sets were already created)

    Going with both of those ideas would have brought more money/fans to MGM & to the SCI FI
    channel.

  • It’s obvious that ratings & money are the most important things to keep the SG franchise healthy.

    Maybe kvasirdor is right
    “I highly doubt there will be an SGA movie or miniseries. Why? It’s simple, most props/sets have either been destroyed or sold (Atlantis gate in pieces I think). Don’t forget that the SGC set was dismantled and bits were re-used for Icarus base.

    Not to mention the fact that most if not all SGA actors are “busy” filming other shows/films. SGA had it’s time. Just as SG1.

    So katikatnik & all SG-1/SG-A fans, not only
    did Brad Wright should have insisted on getting the deals
    & money for SG Revolution & SG Extinction
    instead of launching SG-U so that we could all
    have Amazing movies/endings, but that decision
    brought the SG Franchise to the brink of death
    (current status)

    (Why did he have to had a guess spot in the SGA
    episode Vegas; that part embedded him with the gambling temptation…Arrrrrggggggggggggg)

  • Obviously a SGA DVD-movie would have made money. So the question is – why did these people decide to cancel a project that would have made a profit for them ?

    I can only assume that it is because the people involved (the senion execs) have a deep seated hatred of genuined Sci Fi.

    Why else would they cancel a project that would have made them $millions ? We all know Stargate makes a fortune in re-runs on various cable TV channels, and has a huge following, so you have to ask yourself why they cancelled a project that would have made them money ?

  • @gozzak – Nothing Stargate has ever made a ‘fortune’, unfortunately. Why do you think there’s never been another Stargate big-screen movie? It’s a niche market show. It had a loyal following up through SGA that kept it somewhat profitable, but it never made a fortune. And now that SGU has failed so badly, it has put the entire franchise in jeopardy. An SGU movie isn’t likely to do very well but is likely the last chance for anything even remotely close to closure for it. And they still have the sets and access to the actors. So the SGU movie will likely be Stargate’s swan song for now, if they even get that.

    And after the way the SGA actors were treated, it would be costly to get them back for a movie. Particularly since most of them have moved on to other projects (some big, some small). And the producers knew this. They knew all along that an SGA movie wasn’t likely because they didn’t want to do it right away so they could focus on SGU. And once a show like that goes off the air, the talent tends to spread out quickly. They don’t get the pay grades and notoriety of a CSI or NCIS, so they actually do have to seek out work. Jason Momoa is doing Conan, Joe Flanigan has a pilot on Fox, David Hewlett has done several movies, Rachel Luttrell is releasing an album..I mean, seriously, did people really think that it was just up to the producers if there was an SGA movie made at this point? It would be only slightly easier to get an SG1 movie going at this point.

    Ultimately, Stargate is basically at the end of it’s run for now no matter how you look at it. A dvd movie isn’t going to be able to properly end SGU’s storyline. It could end those character’s story properly, yes, but not the storyline. You can’t solve the mysteries of the universe in what amounts to 2 episodes worth of air time. Not well, at least. The very best thing they could do is to pull off an SGU movie (they have the sets and the cast is still available) in which it’s just about the SGU characters getting home. Then that leaves the door open for another Stargate show, hopefully sooner than later, that takes up the torch. Maybe, just maybe, it would be possible to get some of the characters that we all knew and loved on board for it. I know it won’t happen, but there’s nothing wrong with hope (something that SGU never seemed to understand).

  • This “progress” he mentioned was a lie. He’s just trying to make the people who didn’t like SGU feel guilty. That kind of comment only serves to widen the rift in the fragmented Stargate community; the community around the shows HE’S worked on. He could have just kept that comment to himself if even one iota of it were true, but he’s angry and eager to lash out and place blame. Too bad he’s blaming the fans. HIS fans, even, instead of any of the many things he could have plausibly blamed for the show’s failure to stay on the air.

    “… There are no plans to create or move forward on a new series. We love the one we have now.”

    Man, where was this sentiment a few years ago? Things could have been so much better.

  • My last comment was to lighten the mood.
    Getting back to serious now…

    Being realistic in the present, i think that we all have to realize that SG-1 & SG-A aren’t coming back.

    The creators/writers,etc…of SG-Universe did
    some things right on that show(having guess apperance of some of the SG-1 team members,great camera work a la Firefly,etc…); they listen to
    the fans & injected some of those demands into SG-Universe second season.

    Sure it was to late in a way(they should have never produce the entire first season before airing the pilot), but…oh yeah they also
    brought some of the Sg-A team members in the second season, so it would seems that they did
    learn some lessons(not all of them; read my last 5 posts) from days past.

    Now, were to go from here, i think mythos
    is right – “The very best thing they could do is to pull off an SGU movie (they have the sets and the cast is still available).”
    But at the same time inject all of the things
    that SG-1/SG-A fans were asking for.

    That would be a great way to start what they said they would do – Launch a series of straight to DVD SG movies –
    Of course, these days straight to DVD movies
    isn’t a good idea, it would have to be straight to Blu Rays SG movies.(forget the DVD market as it won’t be profitable for MGM)

    As for a Big Screen SG movie well…i think Roland Emmerich 2012 hit big & brought in a lot of money(four time what it cost) so maybe it would be the perfect time for him to united with Brad Wright & Joe for
    a big screen SG movie.(Featuring RDA of course).

  • @mythos:

    Very well said, my friend… and, at the same time, very, very sad.

    But, even *before* the halt to SGA, some of our favorite actors were treated very shabbily by way of our SGA writers’ laziness (my opinion) and/or by TPTB concerning their futures on the show itself.

    Personally, I’ll never forgive them for the way Torri was handled… nor for the way they tried to jettison Paul off as well (which took both the fans AND the network to turn that mistake around, mind you). Also, from what I’ve heard around that time, I think Rainbow’s situation was handled a bit better than the above examples, in that the series got a much better character replacement by way of Ronin Dex.

    [rant: ON]

    Don’t even get me, or the wife, started on the potentially cosmic Keller/Ronin relationship that could’ve been every female SG fan’s greatest love arc since the live-actioned “Beauty and the Beast” on CBS many years ago. Instead, the writers gave way to sci-fi-nerd-boy fantasy by pairing up… holding down my anger here.. Keller and MCKAY??

    Ronin: Mr. Dirt-Under-His-Fingernails-Übermensch-Warrior, trying to protect his vulnerable medical profession lady love, ultimately losing that war in the process… and along comes another vulnerable medical profession lady in Keller (scared of her own shadow, stationed on the other side of the universe, needing protection whether she would admit it or not), whom he sees as carbon-copy replacement to the love he’s just lost…

    …And our talented SGA writers choose Rodney: Mr. Scared-of-Germs-and-All-Things-Creeping-In-Corners as the sure-fire ‘ship to get our SG female fans’ hearts all a-flutter?? *Ri-i-i-ight*.

    [rant: OFF]

    We all know, also, that Amanda had to be inserted for obvious contract issues, but there had to be a better way to handle Torri in this situation, writing-wise; if they would’ve handled it right, she could’ve came back in S5 after the failed ‘Carter-in-command’ scenario of S4.

    Picardo was *still* a good choice for leader after both of the above women did not work out to everyone’s satisfaction. Finally, I feel the way the rest of the SGA actors were handled as SGU came to be TPTB’s shiny new object of desire was very upsetting, and showed those same actors what TPTB really felt about their worth to the franchise and to us fans as well (may germs in an autoclave have better luck).

    Yes, we got a good new SG show out of all that for a little while (again, my opinion), but at what the cost..?
    Answer: Stargate EXTINCTION.

  • How is this story “news”? The Atlantis movie was never going to happen…nevermind the third SG-1 movie. SGU is their baby, and if we as fans don’t like it, I think TPTB have made it quite clear where to take our complaints. Bye-bye Stargate franchise…you will be missed:(

  • We can speculate all we want, but the facts are that SGU just didn’t stand on its own, and couldn’t. I gave SGU a fair chance, but I felt more like I was watching a Sci-Fi soap opera than a SCIENCE FICTION show. Unfortunately, many SGA/SG1 fans felt the same way as I read one opinion article after another expressing the same disinterest. I had hopes though. I had high hopes that maybe it was the exception rather than the rule, but upon reading the articles about failing viewer numbers, and even worse were the low ratings, I knew this was inevitable. There are two reasons to support this:

    1) TPTB gave us the promise (in not-so-many words) that an SGA movie would be in the works, but there was a catch. We, the fans, had to blindly support and have faith in SGU in order for this to happen. We all knew that this meant giving up our beloved show and the characters we had come to know and love for the sake of another show that may or may not be better. We gambled, and so did TPTB. They lost, and we did too.

    2) Week after week, month after month, I read the horrifying opinion articles, news of SGU’s ratings and viewer numbers, despite my hopes that maybe SGU would have more of a fanbase than SGA/SG1 put together, and maybe that would get the ball rolling on fulfilling the promise to fans. I joined in signing petitions to save SGA, to get SGA a movie of its own, but it felt like no matter what message was sent by fans (positive or negative) to TPTB, it went on unanswered, or worse, crapped on by TPTB! It was like we (the fans) were being snubbed at for not supporting a show blindly, even though after reading comment after comment that attempts were made to give it a fair chance.

    This is, indeed, a betrayal to the fans by TPTB! We were given the proverbial carrot of an SGA movie if we followed in line to go faithfully watch a show that the fans felt was shoved down our throats with very little warning, but because we didn’t have much choice, and couldn’t be “tricked” into watching it, the show got cancelled, and any hope for an SGA movie has been all but extinguished. Sure, JM and PM might pull a rabbit out their ass and maybe give fans a tease, but that’s all we will ever get. Let’s face it, we’ve been effed from the beginning for the past 2 years. We’ve been stroked along and had, but I have to look at other reasons for this demise.

    MGM was in a financial crisis. Okay, I’ll give them THAT! Syfy has repeatedly shown that “science fiction” isn’t part of their mantra of programming. Paranoidal paranormal activity shows and wrestling followed by the crappy B movie of the week are now part of Syfy’s endeavors. I did make one attempt to watch such B movie that had Michael Shanks in it (I believe it was called “The Lost Treasure of the Grand Canyon”) and it was “alright”. I wouldn’t call up every one of my friends and say “WOW! Did you see that movie yet? It was EFFIN awesome!” about it.

    Then being told by TPTB that fans “have to watch the show as it aired” and not by DVR, or Hulu, even though some fans (like myself) have no other choice because of our decision to drop cable for financial reasons, yet we’re “supposed to” watch a show as it airs, but we cannot for various other reasons. That put a bad taste in our mouths right away. We’re SUPPOSED to watch a show as it is aired? WTF is that?

    Lastly, the show itself. Has anyone truly tried to watch SGU? I mean really really tried? For the longest time, fans of SGA/SG1 were given glimpses into how the military handles things, but does occasionally show that it’s not above reason or reproach. We were, in a way, shown the brighter side of the military. Now with SGU, we’re shown the more darker side of things, and expected to now side with one of three factions, and that just didn’t seem to sit well with me. I’m one who likes to see all sides of things, but not when it leads to “backstabbing” actions. That immediately turned me off to SGU half way through S1 (on Netflix).

    In fairness, I think some fans didn’t do SGA justice by blindly boycotting a show, but on the flip side, I think TPTB didn’t do the fans justice by requiring our blind loyalty in exchange for an SGA movie that eventually turned out to be a double cross anyway. Face it, we’ve screwed each other out of an SGA movie, both the fans and TPTB! WE ALL DID THIS! And now that nobody wants to play in the sandbox again, I offer this as a compromise.

    TPTB, if you are listening, this is FOR YOU! Fans can pitch in their comments as well.

    If this is to be the franchise’s true end, I propose that fans of all three series get what they want. An ALL-inclusive movie. SG1/SGA/SGU all in ONE 2-2 1/2 hour movie (TRUE two hour movie, not that 90-minute TV movie crap either). There should be a movie that encompasses all series, all characters, and finally give fans some type of resolution to their respective favorites. Death, marriage, life, more death, etc etc.

    If we’re gonna get screwed (SGA/SG1 and SGU fans a-like), we should at least get something out of it afterward, don’t you think?

  • stargate atlantis should defnitley not be shelved but sg1 movie should be shelved for now coz sga story line is more intresteing and exciiting now that atlantis is on earth and the wormhole drive story

  • @halfblind79:

    “If this is to be the franchise’s true end, I propose that fans of all three series get what they want. An ALL-inclusive movie. SG1/SGA/SGU all in ONE 2-2 1/2 hour movie (TRUE two hour movie, not that 90-minute TV movie crap either). There should be a movie that encompasses all series, all characters, and finally give fans some type of resolution to their respective favorites. Death, marriage, life, more death, etc etc.”

    This is a great example of thinking outside of the box here, halfblind79. Instead of our franchise keepers sitting in the corner of the playground punting, they should stand up and join the battle anew to prevent Stargate from entering an even deeper hole of irrelevance.

    They should do something akin to what you just proposed: make a 2 hour movie— maybe even a three (four?)-part mini-series event that would tie up all of the last three series’ arcs with a more satisfying end to the entire franchise before it fades to black (not *forever*, mind you… but for just a little while, so that our Stargate franchise can get its energy back).

    This would bring the fans of all three series back together for the first in years, and would give the showrunners and the writers a chance to take the proper bow they truly deserve after a decade and a half (despite the fact they allowed themselves, as of late, to go a little off-message to their very own customers…)

    I really like this line of thinking. Thanks.

  • I haven’t read this interminably long forum so I don’t know if anyone has thought of this already, but isn’t it just possible the Devlin and Emmerich are about to get their movie franchise back?

  • It was time for SG to die. The people in charge lost touch with what the show was about.

    Just like Star Trek being on hiatus, it is time for SG to follow that course. Star Trek obviously holds a better chance at resurrection – but SG will at least be a heavy influence on someone who comes up with something new and develops a passionate team to create an awesome show in the future.

    Hopefully if Star Gate does come back, MGM will have the sense to clean house and find a creative team with new interesting ideas people actually want, instead of what has been made lately.

    If SG never does comeback, I’m fine with that. At least we have two really good series to look back on fondly.

    Something new and exciting will come along soon enough to help us move on / forget, but Star Gate deserved a much more graceful exit than SGU provided.

  • @bum783

    The simple point I made in my earlier comment – which curiously seems to have been deleted – is that the Atlantis movie had already been on hold indefinitely for several years prior to Universe’s cancellation.

    So this attempt to connect SGU’s cancellation to a lack of progress on the Atlantis movie is nothing short of absurd.

  • @ngreen I’ve had alot of my comments deleted. This site is really censored to only pro sgu stuff basicly.

  • BobS re: Yes, i did.

    As for a Big Screen SG movie well…i think Roland Emmerich 2012 hit big & brought in a lot of money(four time what it cost) so maybe it would be the perfect time for him to unite with Brad Wright/Rob & Joe for a big screen SG movie.

    It seem like, coming off a very successful Big screen movie, MGM would look favorably on a Roland Emmerich/Brad Wright stargate movie.
    It seems like a now or never kind of situation.
    (I don’t want to wait 10 years for SG to be relaunched)

    What plan could be better than to relaunch Stargate in a big way with a Big screen SG movie
    (by reconstructing the SG-1 sets like they did with Serenity, only this time, not make the same mistakes like not having well known/famous/big names actors/producers in it’s movie)

    SG Revolution probably could be made with a straight to Blu Ray movie budget, so by not making some of the mistakes Serenity did by spending to much money on it’s production, i think a big budget(but not to big) SG Revolution
    movie could be very profitable & relaunch the SG
    franchise in a big way.

    P.S. SG Revolution would have Roland Emmerich
    and RDA & let’s face it; they’re pretty
    well known.

  • halfblind79 “TPTB, if you are listening…”
    I think that the TPTB realize that one of the major reason why SGU was cancel
    was because they didn’t listen to what the SG-1/SG-A fans wanted/were saying, so i think
    that from now on they will listen to what SG fans are posting on website like this one.
    Besides, Darren can always slip your good idea in it’s next interview…

    But before continuing the stargate franchise, it’s seems like TPTB has to understand the reasons why a lot of peoples weren’t watching.

    On that note Sylvia made a list, here it is

  • I don’t think there was any one thing or even several major things that led to the cancellation. It was like Death by a Thousand Cuts – I have read so many different reasons why people didn’t watch, they all added up to not enough.
    If you put together all the people who didn’t watch live because:

    1. Mad at TPTB for canceling SGA and would never watch anyway
    2. Didn’t like the characterization of women or minorities
    3. Mad because TPTB supposedly insulted them
    4. Didn’t like the characters because they were not heroic or “good” people
    5. Thought the story was slow
    6. Didn’t like the lesbians
    7. Didn’t like the sex
    8. Didn’t like the shaky cam
    9. Didn’t think there was “eye candy”
    10. Only watch shows where you can “slash” the male leads
    11. Didn’t think there were enough space battles or aliens
    12. Thought the “mission” was too esoteric
    13. Couldn’t watch on Tuesdays
    14. Wasn’t enough advertising of the change of days or of the show itself
    15. People are in a depressed state in RL and want to see uplifting, escapist shows
    16. The show has Canadian sensibilities, not American ones
    17. The first season took too long to get the plot and action established
    18. No real villain
    19. Chloe
    20. Some of the actors didn’t quite work
    21. Interviews with the cast gave the impression they didn’t always understand sci-fi and its’ audience
    22. Not casual viewer friendly and many people don’t like sci-fi anyways
    23. Not episodic, you would get lost if you didn’t watch each one and then Hulu wouldn’t let you catch up any more with the 30 day delay
    24. Bad writing, these writers weren’t up to this kind of drama
    25 – DVR, torrents, modern tech savvy fans.
    27 – From the first episode the show didn’t seem to fit into the overall Stargate saga.
    28 – The Stargate fan base is huge worldwide but most of the fan base doesn’t even have access to live tv broadcasts of the show.
    29. Some were upset with the portrayal of the military on SGU.
    30. Perceived lack of humor on the show.
    31: Some saw the show as a Soap Opera and were turned off by the drama
    32. The split seasons led to people forgetting about the show
    33. Should have ran last season of SGA along with SGU to keep those fans
    34. Should have had better lead-in, lead out
    35. A few people boycotted Syfy altogether becose of the cancellation of Caprica

    These are all reasons I have seen. And there are more. Each person that stopped watching for one of them contributed to the demise of the show.

  • @Jago77 – Very well said, but I have to wonder if Darren will be doing any more interviews at all. I mean, Brad Wright, and Rob Cooper alongside Joe Mallozzi and Paul Mullie seem to have alienated fans all over. I doubt that they would submit to that kind of interview question without looking like jack-a**es to their audience. Not that they already have done that.

  • @jago77

    I wish you were right about TPTB but unfortunately I think you’re horribly wrong and this very story we’re responding to is proof of that.

    TPTB deliberately set out to create an entirely different kind of show with Universe. And if you read comments from TPTB even before the pilot aired there were clear indications they knew that many SG fans wouldn’t like it.

    And rather than acknowledge genuine problems with the show that contributed to it’s less than spectacular performance they have done the unthinkable.

    They’ve repeatedly blamed fans – specifically “fan backlash” for the show’s failure.

    And here they are with a spiteful “You hated Universe so now the Atlantis movie is on hold indefinitely. So there!”…. even though it had already been on hold indefinitely for several years.

    I think Wright, Cooper, Mallozzi etc. all did really great work on SG1 and SGA. But SGU was a totally different kind of show which they had no experience with, and the simple fact of the matter is that they fumbled it.

  • I have to agree with ngreen, I didn’t care for SGU to dark and to much like a soap opera, it should of been put on daytime tv.

  • Stargate Universe is over? What a shame. I was actually liking the general idea of the plot.

  • blackcat124gt re:

    Yes me to, Joe Mallozzi got ask a question on his blog “What can us fans do to ensure SGU gets another season/movie and that SG-1/SGA gets their movies?

    & his answer was “Watch the show, pay for your downloads, and purchase the DVD’s if you’re so inclined…letters and emails are nice and all but, at the end of the day, the studio is more likely to look at things like iTune and DVD sales when making a decision”

  • Also –

    Gary Barber and Roger Birnbaum, new Co-Chairmen and Chief Executive Officers of MGM quote – “and aggressively pursuing, developing and exploiting new digital entertainment platforms.”

    Yes, i think that is a good idea.
    Some people are still hoping that SYFY will fight for SG-Universe(Since they already helped launching it, they might as well fight for it)& others have their own suggestions
    about what could be done to save SG-Universe.

    redleade quote “SGU should go directly to ITunes or digital media distribution and skip the middle man.”

    gilbak quote “Is it not possible for other networks possibly from another country to fund SGU ?”

    dtguitar quote “since MGM owns the Stargate franchise, isn’t it possible that it could lease it to another network that might be interested in picking up the show?”

    knowles2 quote “I think MGM should use SGU and the Stargate franchise to explore new ways to sell there content directly to the audience, it’s the way the industry is moving, in the UK several productions firms are already moving ahead with developing their own distribution channels on new platforms such as Google TV or Youview, basically they are apps that live on these platforms but act as channels. The British Film council an Kudos Productions are both working on such project.”

    AnthonyBJr quote “should try the farscape approach to get a way to finish off the series. It’s the only way to go.”

    Cay quote “NBC owns SYFY, right?
    Run it on NBC, if they start soon, they can run it for the next 15 weeks, then air season 2.5. It will cost them nothing. At that point, they will know if there’s any new fans or not.”

    P.S. If anyone have any other suggestions to save or bring back any SG shows, feel free to post them…

  • @ Jago77

    How about a public broadcaster that’s seen in Canada and US? I was thinking of WTVS Detroit or a similar broadcaster. This was the broadcaster that enabled me to watch the entire original Doctor Who series (the first 7 Doctors) during the 80′s. It was commercial free broadcasting which was great as the average length of those old Doctor Who eps was 90 minutes WITHOUT commercials!

    Let’s say that there are 5 million StarGate fans between US and Canada (I think we can all agree that I’m being conservative with that number). Then let’s say that each of them pledges $20 a year. That’s $100 million for new Stargate programming. Imagine more fans, pledging more money. Everybody could get what they want: more seasons of SGU, more SG-1/SGA movies.

    It’s time and past time to scrap the old advertising based system, get rid of all the dross that floods the channels these days and pay for the shows we REALLY want to watch!!!

  • ngreen re: First i think that a lot of SG fans were very disrespectful towards TPTB, so they might have responded in a certain way because of it.

    Joe Mallozzi said “The move to Tuesday night was not good for us (and, speaking to the franchise as a whole, the move from summer to fall did us no favors either) and I firmly believe that time-shifted viewing and internet downloads have bled off a significant portion of our younger, tech-savvy audience.”
    he his right about that so he isn’t shifting the blame…

    The SYFY channel made mistakes(putting SGU against the other network heavy hitters,splitting up a arc-based series like SGU in two,etc…)

    The fans made mistakes(boycotting SG-A when SG-1 was cancel, boycotting SGU when SG-A was cancel, not watching the show live,etc…)

    TPTB plans was to create a new SG show(give SG-1 & SG-A fans something that they would like, bring a lot of money to SYFY & MGM, mainstream appeal,
    have the SG franchise going very strong; so that
    it would be very easy to get SG revolution & SG Extinction going,etc…)

    But like you said, they fumble it; they didn’t listen to the fans from day one(not because they don’t care about us, well the none disrespectful ones at least, but because they were 100 % sure/overconfidant that we were going to like it(even given the reaction at the time, i think that they taught that THEY knew better…), & that the mainstream would go crazy for it)

    I think someone mention that TPTB said that SGU had no effect on getting a SG-1 or SG-A movie;
    now THAT IS a big mistake !

    But what you seem to say is that they did see & recognize some of the reasons why SGU got cancel but don’t see the ones they are more directly responsible for; not listening to SG fans from day one(they wanted heroes,more adventures,more aliens,etc…),show SGU pilot
    to a SG-1/SG-A fans focus group before airing it,etc…

    I have faith that they will see their own mistakes very soon(& apologize to their fans if need be) & turn the franchise around.

  • Jago77
    I hate to say it, but I think you are wrong about them seeing their own mistakes. They got to see the reaction for season one of SGU before they finished writing season two, and they did not fix it so I just don’t think so. Maybe a few years of them not having a steady gig will help them see what they had, and why they should have held on to it.

  • In my opinion TPTB need to take the franchise away from MGM. Seems to me that MGM has lost faith in the Stargate franchise. There has to be a company out there that would take over such as fox. And take it away from the Syfy channel. Take it to fox or ABC. As for the SGU show. I didnt much care for the first season but in the second season it started to become better. To me it was a little bit better than its counterparts. SG1 and SGA because to me in both of them you knew what was going to happen on the next episode. Someone was going to get shot, a world was going to get attacked by the guaold or the Wraith or the replicators. Or a planet was going to get destroyed and species going to get aniahalated. With SGU it was diffrent we didnt know what was going to happen next. We didnt know if anyone was going to die. It was suspensful. I think that the reason why most people didnt like SGU is because it wasnt like the other two. There wasnt a prime antagonist. or a good guy vs bad guy. It was what it was. Alot of people dont like change and thats exsactly what SGU was it was a change from the original SG1 and SGA to something else entirely. As for the SGA or SG1 movies. Someone said on here that its been too long since the last one or since the last episode. How i see it is look at George Lucas and Star Wars. Jedi came out in 1983 and Lucas didnt come out with Phantom Menace until 1999. Thats 16 years. SG1 episodes ended in 2007 the last SG1 movie was made in 2008. I am pretty sure that if Star Wars can do it then Stargate can do it. Also look at Star Trek. The last episode of Generation was in 1994 and then Nemesis came out in 2002. If that don’t help at all look at the original Star Trek with captain Kirk. The last episode of that series was in 69 and still they are making movies of that series. Look at the most recent star trek movie that is about captain kirk. I doubt that this is going to be the end of the Stargate franchise. Just a little break from it.

  • now i am almost 100% certain it will not happen but they need to re-launch Stargate Atlantis

  • I gave up Cable TV. Too expensive! Lots of ppl R. What is SyFy’s strategy 2 deal w/ this? Ans.: They don’t have one yet.

    Sometimes a franchise needs to be handed off. The “Terminator” franchise has done very well in the post James Cameron era. Terminator Salvation is a better movie than you might think and did very well overseas.

    I only say this because I sense that the current producers aren’t interested in making the kind of Stargate series that will generate maximum interest and viewership. The SG1 format may have been comic-bookish and cheesy in the mind of an old Sci-Fi salt, but it worked and I guess I like my Sci-Fi cheesy, with mustache twisting, over-the-top villians and larger-than-life, too-good-to-be-true heroes.

  • @jago

    1) That’s no excuse. There’s always going to be someone who doesn’t like your product. Responding by indiscriminately insulting and blaming your fanbase is just plain stupid.

    And really, so what if some fans express their dislike? If the show really is good then people would have watched it anyway. It doesn’t matter what other people say about a show. It only costs someone an hour to watch an episode and judge it for themselves.

    2) There may be a grain of truth in those excuses but the fact is that even ignoring all of those factors, SGU’s ratings were never on par with either BSG or Atlantis or SG1 – because SGU wasn’t as good as any of them.

    So those things just made already not great ratings a bit worse.

    3) That was not the original plan re SGU and the SG1 and SGA movies. The first two SG1 DVD movies sold really well so they were drooling over the potential profits of two more.

    But SGA was cancelled during the GFC and MGM were experiencing serious financial difficulties. So they kept telling us they wanted to make these movies, but right now they wouldn’t be as profitable as they’d like.

    What you say makes no sense at all – unless you assume that they seriously expected a massive jump in SGU’s ratings by the end of series 2, instead of it being cancelled.

    And that doesn’t happen. Ratings follow a fairly predictable pattern and for most shows (especially of this nature) they continue to drop over time. SGU was never in a position to help fund anything.

    Ergo there could have been no expectation of SGU bringing in more money for SG1 or SGA movies ergo trying to connect the SGA movie not being made to SGU’s cancellation is silly.

    And besides, they made it clear in several interviews that their priority was the third SG1 movie anyway.

  • I’ve said it numerously on these SGU news updates and now hearing the death knell, Internationally SGU was a flop, that it is if we actuallt got to watch it.
    If you were looking for ratings, you lost your international one’s. There’s more to the world than the North American continent.

    Ironically a new free-to-air channel has been launched in Australia recently, and tonight they’re “launching” SGU here after it was cancelled following 3 episodes on another channel.

    Too bad Australia is only just seeing season 1 SGU and cannot effective;y contribute to the overall viewership worldwide.

    Distribution of SGU was lacking. We’ve even got the 1st season on DVD before it’s been launched “properly” here. Those DVD’s will be sitting idle on the shelf for a while then.

  • Maby they did came way to soon afther SGA was canceled with this new SGU series. maby they should have waited a year or 2, and then bring SGU on tv.Maby that would have been better,but bringing SGU on tv so soon afther SGA well I think it lost his strenght by doing that.
    I hope they make a good end on SGU and do not bring a 4th Stargate series back on tv. At least not now.The chance it would be succesful is almost zero now SGU is canceled.SGA should not have been canceled in the first place, and it should have continued for a year or 2 longer.And fans were so pissed about the caceling of SGA as well,and bringing back so soon a new Stargate series on tv didn’t make that good I guess.I watched SGU and in the beginning I didn’t like it,but with episode 18 season 1 I thought now were doing good.But then it went back to what it was in the first episodes and that was like nooooo!!!But I did becan to grow on SGU and defetly SGU is something I would want to see further.I bought the first season dvd box and will also buy the 2nd if it comes out.But its not the best Sargate series I’ve seen. What I would love to see is the 3rd Stargate movie with jack and the SGA movie as promised. If they would have done those 2 first it would have been so much better.But thats my humble opinion about it. Now we see how they are going to make a good end on the series.

  • BRIDGE CONTRACT: Heavy machines are smashing the Stargate Atlantis TV series’ set in Bridge Studios’ 40,000-square-foot effects stage. That’s the largest of eight movie-shooting facilities in almost constant use on the six-hectare complex at Boundary-off-Second Avenue, Burnaby. The studio’s website claims it’s the largest in North America.

    But Bridge Studios general manager Ron Hryniuk — say Her-nik — isn’t sorry to say goodbye to a show that produced some 100 episodes on six of his sound stages, as well as twice that number for the predecessor Stargate SG-1 series. That’s because the SCI FI Channel and MGM Television recently announced the launch of a new “science faction” series called Stargate Universe.

    “Its great news. Fantastic,” Hryniuk said of a show that will premiere as a two-hour movie on SCI FI and become a weekly one-hour series next summer.

    In a press release Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis co-creators Brad Wright and Robert Cooper said Stargate Universe “will break new ground in relationships between mostly young and desperate explorers, thrust together and far from home.”

    http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/business/story.html?id=abec6209-6c7b-42e1-be65-2ea36946819d

    Proof that the atlantis movie wasn’t shelved due to sgu getting canceled

    And good luck on the new sg1 movie cuz of this

    http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/may-3-2009-transforming-stage-5-from-stargate-command-to-icarus-base/

  • http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/…ates-and-cake/
    I spent a couple of early hours on set this morning to watch Director Andy Mikita work his magic on Awakening (Day #3 of production). A lot of jumping around in this one which resulted in our block-shooting a number of successive scenes. Producer John G. Lenic swung by to inform me that we were pulling up a big scene from tomorrow’s schedule in order to give Andy time to shoot in that impressive new set in Stage 6.

  • It took ten years to shift from the cancellation of Star Trek to get to its first feature film, and fourteen years to see a new series of ‘Doctor Who’ (considering the McGann pilot failed), so considering this, there is always hope for a new film or TV serial in the future.

    The U.S. economy is in the toilet, and sadly, science-fiction just doesn’t sell to the average TV audience orientated sponsor. That’s why ‘SyFy’ has pro-wrestling and other amazingly off-topic programmes, and doesn’t air even classic science fiction serials of films anymore.

    Their executives killed the stuff that was popular, hoping to remix it and sell it to a younger audience that doesn’t watch live TV. It’s a common mistake They didn’t actually assess the situation of this decade to approximate the results, they just hoped for the best and made bad decisions at each turning point.

    Honestly, I don’t know what’s left to tell in the SG-1 storyline. The Goa’uld are dead, the Replicators are toast, the ‘Lucian Alliance’ is boring as heck, and the Asgard are no more; What’s left, ‘Stargate SG-1: Furling Revolt’ or ‘SG-1: Jack Goes Fishing’?

    ‘Atlantis’ had potential but fell into the ratings trap, partly due to the then ‘SciFi’ network’s mismanagement of the programme, and I’m not holding my breath for anything in that direction this decade.

    A new film would have to encompass new ideas that link the three show story-lines together, so ‘Stargate: Ascension’ could be a productive idea, as long as the main cast isn’t getting into pissing matches and arguing over who’s the cutest of them all.

    Anyhow, I’m still waiting for ‘Ghostbusters 3′, so I can wait a long time for the SG revival, if it ever happens in my lifetime. There were originally supposed to be three ‘Stargate’ films and no TV series at all so, I guess we’re lucky in the end.

  • Thanks Slayme for your input, i’ll add it to the list of ideas that can help save the SG franchise

    First – I truly believe that the Stargate franchise will never die if all of the people responsible for it’s success(MGM,Brad Wright, Joe Mallozzi,fans,etc…work hard & support it)

    With 15 seasons & 2 movies TPTB have accomplish
    a legendary work of art, let’s hope that they find the strength & will to continue one of the best SCI FI work of art ever created on this planet.

    Also, have faith on the MGM side.

    Gary Barber and Roger Birnbaum, new Co-Chairmen and Chief Executive Officers of MGM, said in a press release. “We are honored and inspired at the opportunity of leading one of Hollywood’s most iconic studios into its next generation of unforgettable film making, global television production…”

    Great news for the Stargate franchise & all
    of the Stargate fans.
    I remember in a interview Brad Wright saying
    that the Stargate Franchise is the second most
    important/profitable franchise for MGM ; James Bond being the first one.
    So, if Gary Barber and Roger Birnbaum are serious & honest that means the Stargate franchise is going to go on in a very strong way.

    P.S. re: fwupow – I agree with what you said
    in your post “The SG1 format may have been comic-bookish…”
    I loved that format to…beside, theirs a reason why comic books have been around forever; they just sell very well & have a lot a readers/fans
    Isn’t that what MGM & TPTB want out of the SG franchise…?

  • First, i think i should re post this

    Joe Mallozzi got ask a question on his blog “What can us fans do to ensure SGU gets another season/movie and that SG-1/SGA gets their movies?

    & his answer was “Watch the show, pay for your downloads, and purchase the DVD’s if you’re so inclined…letters and emails are nice and all but, at the end of the day, the studio is more likely to look at things like iTune and DVD sales when making a decision”

  • Now, here’s a list of ideas that can save the SG franchise

    Gary Barber and Roger Birnbaum, new Co-Chairmen and Chief Executive Officers of MGM quote – “and aggressively pursuing, developing and exploiting new digital entertainment platforms.”

    Yes, i think that is a good idea.
    Some people are still hoping that SYFY will fight for SG-Universe(Since they already helped launching it, they might as well fight for it)& others have their own suggestions
    about what could be done to save SG-Universe.

    redleade quote “SGU should go directly to ITunes or digital media distribution and skip the middle man.”

    gilbak quote “Is it not possible for other networks possibly from another country to fund SGU ?”

    dtguitar quote “since MGM owns the Stargate franchise, isn’t it possible that it could lease it to another network that might be interested in picking up the show?”

    knowles2 quote “I think MGM should use SGU and the Stargate franchise to explore new ways to sell there content directly to the audience, it’s the way the industry is moving, in the UK several productions firms are already moving ahead with developing their own distribution channels on new platforms such as Google TV or Youview, basically they are apps that live on these platforms but act as channels. The British Film council an Kudos Productions are both working on such project.”

    Slayme quote”
    How about a public broadcaster that’s seen in Canada and US? I was thinking of WTVS Detroit or a similar broadcaster. This was the broadcaster that enabled me to watch the entire original Doctor Who series (the first 7 Doctors) during the 80′s. It was commercial free broadcasting which was great as the average length of those old Doctor Who eps was 90 minutes WITHOUT commercials!

    Let’s say that there are 5 million StarGate fans between US and Canada (I think we can all agree that I’m being conservative with that number). Then let’s say that each of them pledges $20 a year. That’s $100 million for new Stargate programming. Imagine more fans, pledging more money. Everybody could get what they want: more seasons of SGU, more SG-1/SGA movies.

    It’s time and past time to scrap the old advertising based system, get rid of all the dross that floods the channels these days and pay for the shows we REALLY want to watch!!!”

    AnthonyBJr quote “should try the farscape approach to get a way to finish off the series. It’s the only way to go.”

    Cay quote “NBC owns SYFY, right?
    Run it on NBC, if they start soon, they can run it for the next 15 weeks, then air season 2.5. It will cost them nothing. At that point, they will know if there’s any new fans or not.”

    P.S. If anyone have any other suggestions to save or bring back any SG shows, feel free to post them…

  • I would love one more movie that had all serial combined some how. That would be a awesome way to end stargate. SG-1, SGA, & SGU with the two biggest mysteries. meeting the Ancients and the Destinies purpose. That would be a great way for stargate to fade away. Oh please don’t decide to make a cartoon stargate. I’ve seen stargate infinite, that almost killed it for me.

  • I say bugger having two separate Stargate movies. Since Atlantis is on earth now, just combine the the two movies and have one big massive movie to send SG-1 and Atlantis off with a bang. Imagine having the crews from S-1 and Atlantis working together to fight off a huge threat.

    I don’t know who the enemy/enemies would be but maybe finish of the Wraith and the Replicators lead by Replicator Weir.

  • @alphadark4

    Nothing is ever really ended in sci-fi.

    Weir is still floating around in space. That doesn’t kill Asuran replicators – it just shuts them off.

    There’s nothing stopping the Atlantis expedition, or even some random, passing spacefarers from thawing her out.

    In fact, given their rabid desire to end the Wraith and their willingness to do so at any cost, the Pegasus Asgard might be happy to thaw them out and flip the Wraith kill switch back on.

    Would be deliciously ironic too given their Ida galaxy cousins’ history with replicators.

  • If we don’t revisit SGU later down the track, I wouldn’t mind a movie that ends the SGA/SGU storyline.

    Maybe if the SGU team encounter Replicators in one of the galaxies they drop into, but that would merely copy Ark of Truth too much.

    Ideally I would like to see the SGA team as well as SG1 use Atlantis to catch-up with the Destiny and save them before the blue alien armada capture the Destiny. But in the process the Destiny would have to be destroyed else letting the mysterious Ancient ship fall into the hands of the nefarious blue aliens who might use it to seed life (invasion) across the universe.

  • @ngreen
    I like your way of thinking but this comes from the creators mouth :/

  • I totally agree SGA was such a blessing. It was a wonderful show.
    SGA promoted teamwork and brought out the best of each character and not like the ‘everyday cry’ and ‘everyone is working against each other’ ‘whining’ SGU series.

    I only watched SGU to get even small bits out of what is left of the Stargate spirit.

    But I have a solution:

    Why not sell all the Stargate rights (SG1,SGA,SGU) to Paramount Pictures?
    -> financing problem solved ;

    Aveo Amacuse

  • I would like to see SGU also meet up with SGA it would make a much better show with the cast of SG1,SGA and SGU. I just bought all seasons of SG1 and SGA and the movies. I can’t get into SGU yet and not understanding some of it. I starting watching SGA first and now am hooked on SG1 and have to watch all the episodes. It helps when the actors are close like SG1 and SGA. I hope somehow Stargate will continue even if by movies. Thanks

  • ngreen reply –

    I didn’t mean when the show had the lowest rating of it’s run.
    I meant before the pilot aired.

    I think that TPTB plans with SGU (beside launching a almost entirely new SG show & refresh the SG franchise) was to go mainstream(with all of it’s implications; more viewers, more money for MGM/SYFY & the SG franchise,get the money to have SG Revolution & SG Extinction made,etc…)

    Sure, they knew that some SG-1/SG-A fans weren’t gonna like it, but i still think that they thought that not only the mainstream were going to go crazy for it but also that a lot of SG-1/SG-A fans were gonna do the same
    (& they probably thought that they could change
    the minds of the others along the way; you know the “if we tell good stories they will watch”
    statement).

    Like i said before ngreen; they were over confidant (I think that is the reason why they didn’t listen to the SG fans, in the beginning, that were saying that they wound’t like it)

  • halfblind79 reply -

    Call me a enthusiast & a optimist(which i am)
    but i think that TPTB have the will & the strenghts to continue the SG adventure/franchise & that they are not afraid to explain themselves & face hard hitting interviews.

  • halfblind79 quote –

    “If this is to be the franchise’s true end, I propose that fans of all three series get what they want. An ALL-inclusive movie. SG1/SGA/SGU all in ONE 2-2 1/2 hour movie (TRUE two hour movie). There should be a movie that encompasses all series, all characters, and finally give fans some type of resolution to their respective favorites. Death, marriage, life, more death, etc etc.

    Dan quote -

    “I say bugger having two separate Stargate movies. Since Atlantis is on earth now, just combine the the two movies and have one big massive movie to send SG-1 and Atlantis off with a bang. Imagine having the crews from SG-1 and Atlantis working together to fight off a huge threat.”

    Those are both good ideas, but what wound be the huge threat & what are some of the conclusions that you would like the most to be resolve ?

  • ngreen quote -

    “Weir is still floating around in space. That doesn’t kill Asuran replicators – it just shuts them off.

    There’s nothing stopping the Atlantis expedition, or even some random, passing spacefarers from thawing her out.

    In fact, given their rabid desire to end the Wraith and their willingness to do so at any cost, the Pegasus Asgard might be happy to thaw them out and flip the Wraith kill switch back on.

    Would be deliciously ironic too given their Ida galaxy cousins’ history with replicators.”

    =)…Yes it would, that’s a great idea, but since it would take too much time to resolve(more than a movie), it’s probably not doable unless TPTB, MGM & the SYFY channel are thinking about re-launching SG-A as a series.
    (still…it would be a great idea to move the SG-A series foward)

    I think Joe Mallozzi had a story for a SG-A season 6 episode(call vengeance) in which the
    Pegasus Asgard came back at the lost city with a vengeance…
    Now ! That’s a great idea for a SG-1/SG-A team movie that all fans of those shows would like to see…

  • Well i’ve spent £100′s on building up the dvd collection of all the series and films and now i find it’ll be incomplete always. SHAMBOLIC to say the least. There are no other series based in the final frontier anymore, yet MGM can’t see this. If i want to see real life i look out the window. I feel sad that this has come to this, but more than that i feel betrayed due to the support and money i have invested in this concept only to be told in a word TOUGH T*TTY. Maybe shows like this should set a set amount of series to tell their story and leave it at that, spin offs the same. But to gamble on how far you can take it when fans are spending their hard earned cash is typical and very selfish. Are MGM prepared to reimburse me for an incomplete story, i think not. To the casts of the various series i wish you luck and thankyou for your work, for the Powers that be, hold your heads in shame, but being the insensitive, greedy, parasites that you are i’m sure you won’t be doing anything of the sort.

  • I call BS
    Any plans for a SGA or SG1 movie stopped when they brought Atlantis to earth. Only 1 gate can be used on a single planet and as Atlantis is far superior to Cheyenne mountain it would become the home to SGC and the home base to SG1. Two movies wont work. This is a pathetic attempt to guilt trip SGA fans into trying to save SGU. If SGU is the future it the franchise then the franchise is not worth saving.

  • Personaly i am happy that SGU is cancled and i don’t care if that means no more movies i am content with the ending to SGA that we have now if it means that TPTB will stop butchering the good name of stargate with a wores than bad sop-opera in space. sure there has been drama in SGA and SG1 but it was NOT the driving factor of the show it was used to add more depth to it, the driving factors of the stargate series are action and adventure.
    drama can’t sucsesfuly be made into a scyfi show.

  • I want to tell all those that said I didn’t know what I was talking about when SGU was cancelled and I said that’s it folks the series is over people freaked out and said that’s not true that won’t happen. And then those that said SGU sucked and thank god it was cancelled so they can make better Stargate shows well when the powers that be want to make this show and then it’s cancelled well then those people who put everything they have in it realize maybe it’s time to end the series.

    So I will be accepting the apologies from all those folks that slammed me and claimed I didn’t know what I was talking about. And for those saying well you shouldn’t have cancelled Atlantis you don’t remember first the stories were getting a little repetitive and two SyFy wanted to kill it anyway and said well you can kill it now and start a new series or let it go one more season and thats it.

    They gave the guys a new series and two seasons but ****** on here who were angry about Atlantis needed to realize Atlantis was done with or without SGU. You guys didn’t give a show a chance because you THOUGHT it was the reason Atlantis was cancelled. So like I said before to all those angry and who boycotted SGU because they were mad about Atlantis congrats you KILLED the franchise. So if I could I’d cancel your fan membership but you can’t being a fan is like a thought you can’t kill a thought, but all you people who were happy should be ashamed of yourselves and hope and pray they can find another home for SGU especially if you want more movies.

  • sorry
    @saxgod
    SGA was not geting repetative it was getting beter and better and personaly i am glad the franchise is dead beacuse any true fan would not let them butcher the series like they did in SGU cuse if SGU is good and frofitable they might make another SG-drama and ruin the essance of SG evan more

  • SGA was not getting repetitive it was getting better and better and personalty i am glad the franchise is dead because any true fan would not let them butcher the series like they did in SGU cause if SGU is good and profitable they might make another SG-drama and ruin the essence of SG even more.

    Couldn’t resist

  • @saxgod: Fans crying online and not watching a show doesn’t cancel it, it’s those damn Nielsen ratings. STOP TURNING THE FANS INTO SKAPEGOATS! A series must stand and fall on it’s own.

  • I love SGU. Right from the start though every episode felt like i was being ripped off. It was like watching half an episode then waiting to see the other half for a week. They really needed to pack more into an episode or lengthen them. The other series SG1 and Atlantis always seemed to give that satisfaction of having got somewhere in 1 episode. I really believe that was a huge problem for SGU.

  • I agree with saxgod on the winging fan thing. I have found a lot of syfy fans a wingy little *******!! We are most of us quite intelligent people and somehow this translates into picking everything apart because we know how to do everything better…NOT. For all you complaining analytical geeks out there, sometimes it’s better to switch that part of your brain of and just enjoy the show. Stop complaining and relax.

  • @Jago77 –

    Maybe, just brainstorming here, not saying it’s good (and believe me, my ideas are rather um… corny, to put it mildly), but perhaps get a resolution on Col. Mitchell’s “blue wire” thing (in the episode “Ripple Effect”), or maybe an Atlantis return to Pegasus (or staying on Earth, though that would be kind of selfish of us humans on Earth, wouldn’t it?), just throwing that out there. Maybe even a resolution on the whole “Dr. Weir” thing. Does she remain neutralized or does she become akin to Dr. Jackson’s “Ascension” or the replicator-equivalent of ascension? Um… again, just thinkin’ out loud here, maybe a final scene that includes the Stargate program becoming public knowledge (for real) only for it to turn out as maybe a dream one of the characters had (Again, I know, I’m corny! LOL)

    Just brainstormin’ ya know. Not saying any of it would be good. I’m sure if movies were made, they’d be in far better hands in terms of writing, directing, and producing than I am ever capable of. :)

    Just sayin’.

  • @jago77

    I’m not particularly sure what the huge threat might be, and not really sure if any conclusions would suit fans, but ANYTHING at this point would be better than being “left in the dark” so to speak. Although I’m not sorry that SGU has been canceled, I think it really did in the end of the franchise as we know it.

    Personally, I think it really stinks that fans got the shaft from the get-go. There was no movie in the works, just smoke and mirrors to get us fans to watch anything TPTB produced hoping to get more $$$ out of us any way they could. And when fans rejected their new work, it was sort of a “SCREW YOU GUYS, I’M GOING HOME” message if you ask me.

    So at this point, I’m content just watching SG1/SGA on my DVDs (I’m up to Season 8, by the way), and I hope TPTB get the message from fans (hopefully sooner rather than later) that it was bad business to screw us with no lube. I doubt it, but I’m still hopeful.

  • SGU was Voyager with less likeable characters. What is depressing is that some critics saw it as an improvement on what had gone before. Selfish, boring, self-absorbed characters doing things that were tedious and pointless. Reliant on the awful stones to get dramatic development. The stones are up there with the awfulness of timetravel in Enterprise and all those frikkin holodeck episodes in Voyager.

  • I was an original Trek fan in the 1960s at the age of 10-12. And I loved the original Star Gate movie in the 1990s. But I only turned on to SG-1 and SG-A a year ago via Netflix. Some perspectives:

    1. All TV audience sizes are shrinking. For instance, network TV news has lost over half its combined audience since 1980.

    2. We’re on the edge of ‘Net Direct To TV. That is, over half of US/Canadian homes will soon be able to surf on the big screen HDTV. When this happens all audiences will fragment into millions of particles. You’ll never get them back together in a single spot. TV and print news executives are staring at this frozen, just like deer in the headlights of an approaching semi.

    Back in 1992 Johnny Carson told a joke in the last days of his 30 year run on the Tonight Show. He observed that Earth’s population had increased by about 2 billion during his time as host, and then cracked “soon half of those will have their own late night TV show”. What was a joke in 1992 is near reality in 2012.

    3. MGM has just emerged from Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Not returning to bankruptcy court is their top corporate priority. This means maximizing their cash flow from their portfolio of existing media properties. Star Gate with a total of 354 TV episodes, 2 direct to DVD movies, one theatrical release and a fan base that is still alive and not senile ranks VERY high on this list.

    Any new SG material is likely to be direct-to-Hulu or direct-to-Netflix. Since MGM owns Star Gate it will not be possible to take it away. The alternate is bring in fresh creative blood to renew the franchise.

    SGU. How is it possible to travel 3-4 billion light years into the universe and then see so little of it? And even though “Seeder Ships” have planted many tens of thousands of Star Gates ahead of you? And how can Destiny itself be so damaged when Seeder Ships have such advanced portable manufacturing capabilities? The blue water Navy has long used repair ships for major at-sea repairs. They even carry on-board foundries and machine shops to cast and machine repair parts on the spot.

    SGU was killed by its poverty of plot lines. These were mainly two: first was the personality conflict between Rush and Young. This was good for 5-6 episodes. It got boring after 10. The second is figuring out when Eli gets a steady lay.

  • @saxgod
    I hate to tell you this, but most of the SGA fans never believed that the movie was going to get made anyway no matter what happen with SGU. TPTB for the show stopped caring about it a long time ago that is why the fans want other producers and writers for the show. They don’t believe in Brad and Company anymore. It was not the network that canceled SGA it was the showrunners. So why would most of us expect a movie from showrunners who cancel their own show, and put it down whenever they can.

  • Remember what ENTERPRISE was to the Trek franchise? Well, same-same SGU to the Stargate franchise. SGU, from Day One, was a HORRIBLE show. Better to call it “Stargate Soap Opera” because it was just that – Pure Dreck! Personally I’m glad it was canceled. As for the SGA movie. . .it was never gonna happen anyway. And TPTB know it.

  • I’ve been a sci-fi fan since the 1950′s, and have found that a successful series requires five primary things:
    1. Comraderie-A group of individuals who work well together.
    2. A Sense of Adventure-(excuse the blatant theme) “Going where no one has gone before.”
    3. A Purpose-Why in the heck are they…?
    4. A Sense of WONDER-the “WOW!” effect on the audience
    5. A Sense of Joy-”That was fun! Let’s do it again” effect.

    As to the Stargate franchise, the original movie, SG1, and SGA have all of those, and with the exception of a few episodes, maintained them throughout each series’ life.

    SGU, unfortunateley, went about attempting to go against every single one of those primary things:
    1. Comraderie-You’ve got Scientists fighting the Military-no comraderie even possible.
    2. A Sense of Adventure-they’re on a wreck of a ship, traveling through space, and have barely explored the ship or any of the barren worlds they’ve encountered
    3. A Purpose-they haven’t tried to explore Destiny, learn to control Destiny to get back home, or even considered gating their way back to earth, they’re simply content to stay prisoners in a small section of a runaway ship
    4. A Sense of WONDER-Destiny is a beatup hunk-a-junk ship that stops at barren worlds-wow
    5. A Sense of Joy-let’s watch the next episode to see who goes bonkers next!

    As to the series’ movies, the two SG1 movies continued plots from the series, but I’m curious as to their future. As to SGA movies, most of the loose ends were tied up, but the possibilities are there for endless stories.

    As far as the future of the franchise, IMHO, SGA has the most options since Atlantis is a giant (Destiny) ship which can travel to other galaxies, and therefore can explore further and much more than the other series could.

  • it,s been over a month why is there still a descusion on this. i mean in one month people are still saying the same things and in the end it don’t matter because there isn’t going to be a sga movie sgu still sucks and the staregate franchies is probable dead and no matter what you post that isn’t going to change, so what is there to disscuse or is it that you all just what to have the last word or are you guys so arragant to think that anyone that can do something acctualy reads this?

  • @Rowen
    We are still posting after 30+ days because even this is more interesting than SGU ever was. Are you so arrogant to think that the discussion ends just because you say it does?

  • @joep –

    Ouch, bro! Just OUCH! But I have to agree, this conversation about SG: Atlantis NOT getting its own movie is much more interesting than SGU ever was. Personally, I don’t know what’s worse. Losing a show forever, or having a show that is just so boring and uninteresting that I would rather watch “The View” 24/7 for 3 weeks straight than watch SGU. Yes, that’s right. I’d rather watch a show full of hackling hens talk rhetoric for hours on end about stuff that is quite meaningless than to watch a meaningless show. LOL That’s bad, I know.

    @Rowen – Um… who put you in charge of dictating when a discussion is over? More importantly, WHY does it matter to you when a discussion ends?

    To everyone else. LONG LIVE STARGATE!! Except for SGU! May it die quickly, painlessly, and ultimately get lost in time.

  • After buying all the box sets, spending a lot of hard earnt cash, I feel cheated that we arent even going to be given a one off episode just to wrap the story up for the fans that made these people rich and famous. It was a shame when SG1 finished but they did a great job of the story and movies, I cant say the same for Atlantis. As someone mentioned before a 3D movie in the cinema would be awesome, I fail to say how that wouldnt make a tidy profit.

  • I have to say I’m somewhat new to the Stargate franchise, having only recently watched all 5 seasons of Atlantis on DVD and Season 1 of Stargate SGU.

    I have to say that Atlantis was wildly entertaining, and when I was able to build up the will power to peel my eyes off of Rachel Luttrell, Jewel Staite (I’ve been an admirer since Firefly) got thrown in the mix and I was in love all over again!

    I’m now going to start watching all 10 seasons of SG1 (probably should have done that first).

    On a sour note, I was somewhat shocked at the abrupt and somewhat lackluster ending of Atlantis. I hope they pick it up again because I think the story needs to be further told.

    However, I was impressed with SGU, as it had an air of Battlestar Galactica to it and was quite different in nature than Atlantis. It seemed to be much more in tune with the darker side of human nature, as opposed to the always positive “can do” attitude of the Atlantis expedition team. The constant power struggle between Colonel Young and Dr. Rush is epic, as well!

    All in all, this is the absolute best sci-fi series ever created (in my humble opinion, anyway), and to not work on it some more would be a shame and a disappointment to the many fans of Stargate.

  • @halfblind79: Not The View, you need to Calm down and step away from the remote…. Life isnt that bad.

    @Rowen – Still posting….

  • @joep – you do realize that it was a jest comparison, right? LOL Besides, SGU was showing life in a science fiction view, and quite frankly, that’s just damned depressing. At least “The View” is comical at best. Not that I watch “The View”. GAWD forbid! LMAO

  • SG-1 I loved, SGA I loved up until Tapping came and episodes seemed to be predictable(dayum shame), SGU is the only show I ever liked as much as SG1. Atlantis I was hoping was going in a direction that SGU is (far from home, on their own), but it just turned into a another SG-1 in a different galaxy(don’t get me wrong – I liked the actors).SGU is about understanding what drives the characters, not watching @#$% blow up and stupid jokes every 5 seconds. Sometimes I wonder if some of you even care about the story, or if you just care about @#$% going boom and Shep poking at Rodney. SGU lived up to its promise of being a darker Stargate, and it will be the only series that I actually buy the DVDs of. Beyond that, SGA at least got an ending, if it felt like the story should have continued before it ended. SGU deserves no less. The people behind all the series put their heart into doing their jobs, SGU’s cast is no different. Be respectful to them at least.

    My two cents.

  • Greetings from the UK!

    Believe it or not I have only registered to Gateworld so that I can make a comment about the above mentioned topic. My favourite SG show was Atlantis, I loved the camaraderie of the team, it reminded me Star Trek especially the original series. I was very disappointed that they cancelled SGA but was willing to give SGU a try. SGU didn’t engage me the way that SGA or even SG1 did, but my partner loves them and is always watching them and I have to say I am getting intrigued, but too late as there will be no more.

    I did not think much about the Atlantis finale, for example Ronin should have stayed dead. In the final season episode where Michael was dealt with I think Teyla should have had the honour of kicking his butt, not just treading on his toes and watching him fall to his death, who knows he might have swam back on board Atlantis and hid until his strength had been regained, perhaps Atlantis brought home a Wraith after all). As for MacKay and Dr Keller, I don’t think its going to work, a very mismatched pairing.

    A trend I have noticed in SG1 and SGA is an inability to write interesting female characters. Dr Weir was the most interesting and she was killed off, but I really enjoyed the episode where Weir and Shepherd were taken over by alien entities who wanted to annihlate each other, I think one of them was called Phoebis or something. Torri Higginson reminded me of Sigourney Weaver in the Aliens movies and would have liked to have seen more of this situations for Weir where she has to kick butt. Also in the first season of Atlantis where that security guy doesn’t trust Teyla because he thinks that she is tipping off the Wraith, Teyla gets very upset about this to the point of physical violence, why couldn’t we have seen a more fiery Teyla instead of the space cleric we were given instead.

    Finally, I think there could be a way to resolve Atlantis fans need for more. I know that there are novels written based on Stargate and the characters, what would be even cooler would be graphic novels, or even better, an animated series.

    Thank you


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