85 Responses

  1. GateRider
    September 28, 2009 at 9:16 pm |

    Great. Another way to get more money out of us.

    First post though! :P

  2. Denise
    September 28, 2009 at 9:50 pm |

    Like wow, so they join the ‘let’s screw you out of as much money as possible’ brigade huh?

    Because I sincerely doubt each of these sets will be half the price.

    I hate shows that do this. It’s like the ice cream companies that now sell you 1.5 quarts for the same price they used to sell you two quarts. Or the boxes of cereal that now sell you 8oz for how much they used to sell you 12 for.

    Nothing but a backhanded way to charge you more for less.

    And, anyone want to make bets on when the super expensive blu ray version will come out? That, of course, they won’t tell you about until they’ve sold enough of the regular versions.

  3. spencerschleicher
    September 28, 2009 at 10:00 pm |

    If it does get released like that, I don’t care how great it is, I won’t buy it.

  4. Colonel Sharp
    Colonel Sharp
    September 28, 2009 at 10:13 pm |

    Are you kidding me?

    I’m in complete agreement with what Denise has said, unless they’re putting each half season at half the PRICE of a season, they’re pulling a BSG and just trying to scrape as much dough out of the fans.

    I know this is a ‘new show’ and not ‘old stargate’, but that doesn’t mean you should start charging for DVDs even more than you already are.


    PS: Probably wouldn’t have bought it if it came in one box, but now the chances of me buying two seperate boxes for a season is slim to none.

  5. SciFiForLife
    September 28, 2009 at 10:51 pm |

    My policy with the BSG dvd’s is to just wait until they release the version that has all of the episodes. Not only do I not want to pay twice the money for the series but I don’t like having the two separate boxes.

    If all the sg-1 and sga were two per season that would be thirty different boxes I have to store. That = stupid.

  6. Xenomorph
    September 28, 2009 at 11:29 pm |

    This pisses me off. I can’t believe it. Greedy bastards!

  7. Sylvia
    September 28, 2009 at 11:45 pm |

    and then they’ll probably use the lower sales of the DVD’s to justify not making the SG1 and SGA movies…

  8. naonak77
    September 28, 2009 at 11:45 pm |

    I hate shows that pull this crap! They aren’t gettin my money.

  9. davey1983
    September 28, 2009 at 11:51 pm |

    I still haven’t purchased the Battlestar Galactica dvd’s for this very reason! If this is true, then this is MGM screwing over their customers! Sorry, I might love the show, but consider this one less customer that will buy the Stargate: Universe dvds.

  10. Emily
    September 29, 2009 at 12:14 am |

    I wasn’t planning on buying your DVDs now I wont for sure. If the pilot is 20 bucks, part 1 is 20 and part 2 is 20, thats 60 bucks. When you can buy usually a season for 20 in SGA and SG1 on ebay.

  11. the_big_bad
    September 29, 2009 at 12:19 am |

    Wow. Not one positive reply…..and this will be no different.

    This is complete horse-turd. Why release in two parts?? That is EXACTLY why I refuse to buy Battlestar Galactica on DVD. This show has the potential to soar or tank…we’ll all have to wait and see…but regardless of it’s success or failure, I will not be contributing to MGM sales in a two-part season box set. As a giant ‘screw-you’ to the fools who thought this was a grand idea, I might burn the discs off my less-than-frugal-with-cash brother, but either way the will not get a cent from me in this obvious money grab. Thanks a lot MGM; what a great way to backhand all your loyal Gate fans in one effortless slap.




  12. Alan Wake
    Alan Wake
    September 29, 2009 at 12:57 am |

    I agree with everything said here so far. I hate the idea of the DVDs being split up into two. This is just a greedy tactic to get more money from the fans. Nobody wants this, as you can see here… so why backslap the loyal fans in the face with this?

  13. Konrad
    September 29, 2009 at 2:39 am |

    Whatever. After SG1, I no longer buy the DVD’s until the full series is released in a set.

  14. DarkElfa
    September 29, 2009 at 3:00 am |

    Well David, I suggest since you have a report with these people, you pass it along that if this is indeed the way they intend to do it, they can stick it where the sun don’t shine.

    Hollywood has entered an unparalleled age of greed and it has to be stopped. There is simply a difference between making money and taking advantage of your fan base. Are they that incredibly daft that they think we don’t realize what they’re doing?!

  15. anubis lives
    anubis lives
    September 29, 2009 at 3:22 am |

    OK. People are forgetting that EVERY season of Stargate has been split into small volumes. Go check your DVD box sets, it has which volume it is on the disc. So dont just accuse SGU of this.

    Now, as long as they bring out season 1 together I dont mind.

  16. katikatnik
    September 29, 2009 at 3:29 am |

    @anubis lives: Yes, every season was split into three cases (5 discs), but only in the UK were they sold separately. In the US, they were sold in one box set. As far as I know, that is. They were never advertised as S1.0 and S1.5 or whatever.

    And I agree with all the previous posts. No split seasons for me. I still haven’t bought Eureka’s S3 for that very reason. Waiting for a whole season box set.

  17. Billz
    September 29, 2009 at 3:33 am |

    As if being a loyal fanbase wasn’t enough for these people in the first place!

    You can gurantee that the result of this will be 3 things:
    1. iTunes download
    2. Wait until full season 1 set is on DVD
    3. YouTube

    I don’t want MGM to loase money and go under, but doing seperate releases like this for Universe is not good, meaing the average responsible fan will not waste their money.

  18. Billz
    September 29, 2009 at 3:34 am |

    I don’t want MGM to loose money and go under, but doing seperate releases like this for Universe is not good, meaning the average responsible fan will not waste their money.

  19. anubis lives
    anubis lives
    September 29, 2009 at 4:05 am |

    @katikatnik: Fair enough. I stand corrected. But I still fail to see the outrage. Just wait to buy the full season. No one is forcing you to buy the volumes.

    And just to note, we brits have been having separate volumes released for ages. Never been this much outrage.

  20. Darren
    September 29, 2009 at 4:56 am |

    Gang, I really don’t understand the outrage here. I found the separate releases for BSG a minor annoyance at most, because I didn’t want to pay $50 for 10 episodes. The result is that I simply had to wait. The prices come down, they’re sold used, or they show up at Costco and Sam’s Club a few months later as a deal.

    Just decide how much you are willing to spend on 10 or 20 episodes, and wait until you find the sets for that price. I refused to pay over $25 for half a season of BSG, and just had to wait a bit longer.

    MGM is attempting to improve its DVD profits not only in an increasingly tough market, but at a time when the studio itself is facing bankruptcy. There’s no reason to call them money-grubbing or suggest they are trying to screw over the fans. That’s just a naive way of looking at the DVD sales industry. They’re not here to be your Stargate friend.

  21. biggdogg
    September 29, 2009 at 5:01 am |

    I have always thought that it’s a bit of a ripoff when companies try to sell their series in fractions – I just wait for the whole season to arrive before I part with my paper.
    Agree with anubis lives, they’ve been trying to rip us brits off for years! Lol.

  22. o6untouchable
    September 29, 2009 at 5:21 am |

    Its not so much selling out though as going with “industry standard”. Its also good business sense, and increases the odds of the season being renewed. Why the hell would they stick with the less profitable complete season option, when pretty much all of their competators go with a more lucrative option? That’s a sure-fire way of ensuring your season doesn’t get picked up in favour of something else.

    Often they release a 1.0 and 1.5, followed by a “complete season” anyway. And if you actually exercise this fantastic little invention called ‘patience’ things actually tend to get cheaper. *gasp!*

  23. xiapho
    September 29, 2009 at 6:17 am |

    well I for one do not mind if it comes in 2 dvd sets if it means that they will get more money for the show that way i will be happy to buy 2 dvd sets and they are not the first show to do something like this, and i dont realy understand why people would be so mad about this

  24. captain-bazz
    September 29, 2009 at 6:18 am |

    Well I’ll be waiting till the release the whole season in one box before I buy!

  25. Hetshepsu
    September 29, 2009 at 7:46 am |

    Same, i don’t want two dvd sets for one season, will just wait for a complete season release

  26. Brian
    September 29, 2009 at 8:07 am |

    I agree. Selling each season in First Half and Second Half SUCKS. Why change after 15 seasons? I guess I will wait until the seasons come out in Full Season packages.

  27. MasonC2K
    September 29, 2009 at 8:33 am |

    Do not do this. This was my biggest gripe with the BSG sets. Stargate already has it right. Don’t fix what ain’t broke.

  28. J-Whitt987
    September 29, 2009 at 8:40 am |

    I don’t care what anyone says about, “Be patient. They will release the whole season at the regulaer price soon enough.” I started watching BSG with the premiere of the miniseries and I stuck with it thoroughout the entire first season. I missed a lot after that due to not having time and travelling a alot. When I looked to get the DVDs I couldn’t find the entire second season at a reasonable price. Now after the series is ovwer I have yet to see the entire season for 2 or 3 anywhere. Screw buying two DVD sets per season at double the price. I ain’t doing it if that’s what’s happening.

  29. Ryster
    September 29, 2009 at 9:30 am |

    Selling DVD box sets in two parts is a shameful way of extorting more money from the customer, because naturally the total cost of the two halves is always greater than a whole season box set would be.

    I’ll just wait for a “The Complete First Season” box set after the second half has aired.

    Oh and I trust they’ll be releasing on Blu-Ray as well this time around? To not do so would be criminal. I’ve stopped buying Atlantis DVDs after season 1 and will not buy the rest of the seasons unless they are released on Blu-Ray. I refuse to buy everything once, and then buy them all again when the better blu-ray versions finally do arive.

    Take heed MGM/Sci-Fi

  30. wnelson
    September 29, 2009 at 9:48 am |

    To Darren and David, I understand your need topoint out that this is unconfirmed, however given the way the other distributors are going, it is rather likely.

    Okay, Darren, even IF it is true that the studio itself is in trouble I can’t say that it is a reason to give in to this change in market standard. I understand the idea that this is the way we pay to help them make shows we enjoy get made. The problem is that the reason DVD is such a tough market is because for a consumer, DVD’s are not cost effective.

    Few people like spending money in large amounts and therein lies the problem. The studio have not looked at what would be a suitable price point.

    With SG-1 (in UK at least) they produced box sets of 6 volumes, each with DVD cases and printed covers. This is obviously not cost effective so they sold (in certain regions) the individual volumes as soon as they could. Still this added up to a lot of money.

    With SG-A they made a good move forward with selling both individual volumes (for those that still wanted only certain epidsodes) and wholes seasons, with the change being just one nicely designed case thereby cutting down on the production cost. Their mistake in this case was keeping the same price point (in fact in some outlets around £15 higher).

    The final nail in the coffin that showcases the mistakes made in the production and distribution of SG DVDs is when one compares them to a show such as RED DWARF. Whilst there are only a few shows on each disk (6-10) ALL seasons came with outstanding extras (seriously, after buying RD DVDs that is the GOLD standard for extras) EVERY episode had FULL cast commentary as well as outtakes, bloopers, featurettes and more besides. The price of all of this after 15 years of the show ceasing production was just £12 per season. When compared to £60 per season of SG which has such poor extras and such a wasteful production cycle it comes out by far the worst.

    The proof of the pudding though? Red Dwarf DVD sales re-ignited the fan base and did so with such sucess that we now have had after 21 years a brand new mini season (or 3hr feature). That in turn had a DVD so well put together that it has meant that there are some serious talks about putting together another season.

    The truth is MGM’s DVD sales are poor because they are unable to understand how to create and distribute a GOOD product. This two volumes nonsense (even if it is not true) is concerning as it is yet another incorrect step in it’s decision making.

  31. wnelson
    September 29, 2009 at 9:51 am |

    Sorry, to correct that the RD Back to Earth was a 3-part mini series that should have been shown as a 2 hour feature.

  32. giza1928
    September 29, 2009 at 10:01 am |

    It also means you will get to buy the episodes in dvd format earlier…I welcome this.

  33. nathanieletc
    September 29, 2009 at 10:12 am |

    First off, I know this report is unconfirmed as yet, but that is exactly why we fans need to express our opinion now. I felt so strongly about this that I called into the podcast immediately after seeing the Bartok interview… before it was even a news item.

    I understand that this could be a move to help MGM avoid bankruptcy, but here’s the problem: they’ve lost my sale entirely. And judging from the many posts here, they may have lost many fans’ sales. I am a Stargate fan who downright prefers to buy the DVD’s, but not only do I not appreciate the raised prices, I also do not like the feel and look of the two boxes instead of one on my shelf.

    I don’t know for sure, but judging by packaging I’ve seen lately, it’s likely that if this happens, they will release the half-seasons in those new packages that are the size of a movie DVD case but hold up to four discs. I know it is purely my opinion on this part, but I like my series in slim cases, like the seasons are currently released. If they do the whole season, that would be five discs, and then as far as I know, the best packaging goes back to being the three slim cases, which I like.

    I know that last point is purely my opinion (I’m a packaging nerd if that can even exist), but I hope my other point, about losing my sale entirely, goes through. I truly mean it. It even sucks for me, as I really do enjoy Ivon’s special features. Oh well.

  34. nathanieletc
    September 29, 2009 at 10:19 am |

    One more small thought: some folks have said they’ll wait for the “inevitable” one-volume release of the whole season. If they go ahead and announce in the eventual press release that that version is coming, and that it will be repackaged and not just a bundle of the two, then I’m in. But judging by BSG and some other series I’ve seen (I don’t have a clue how the American Dad! DVD releases are working), that probably won’t occur.

  35. US06154
    September 29, 2009 at 10:21 am |

    Being a Stargate fan can be hazardous to one’s wallet. That’s what they should put on just before Stargate Universe is aired. Call me Naive, call me ignorant, but I am still trying to understand this point. One pays cable or Satellite Bill to watch Stargate on the Telly. Cable company pays affiliate, who pays whoever royalties or whatever, but Finally MGM gets their cut (Please correct me if I am wrong). Then they Release Season 1 part 1 gets some more money from *some* of the people for the DVD’s, Next They Release Season 1 Part 2 gets some more money (this time a premium), and next a box set of Part 1 & 2 Together, and after a respectable time has passed, a bluray edition. And Then Darren Sumner says “There’s no reason to call them money-grubbing or suggest they are trying to screw over the fans”, and They’re not here to be your Stargate friend.” Waaah, I am sooo confused.

  36. Imitation Tofu
    Imitation Tofu
    September 29, 2009 at 10:40 am |

    MGM is really hard up for cash. No way they’re going to make that Atlantis movie now.

  37. Beltalon
    September 29, 2009 at 11:21 am |

    I think it’s a bad idea to copy the split season thing that Battlestar did. It confused the hell out of me didn’t want to risk paying twice for an episode so ended up never purchasing any seasons. they should just stick with 1 set of discs per a season. don’t need the confusion and I think I can wait.

  38. editorguy
    September 29, 2009 at 11:47 am |

    I hate posting on this place because the fans here are unreasonable and easily agitated. Hornets. You’re like frickin hornets.

    Here’s the deal:

    I am the editor of the special features for Stargate and I have to tell you: DVD and Blu-Ray are dying mediums. The vast majority of people don’t want or need to have the box set sitting on their shelf anymore, especially for a show like Stargate. The people here on Gateworld are small small sample of Stargate Fans… ie: the ones who actually think this has anything to do with you.

    Splitting it up makes fiscal sense and it keeps casual fans happy when they can rent or download (or buy? psht!) to catch up when they see a commercial for the next half. This new season is going to be extremely popular and I don’t blame them for trying something that worked extremely well for Battlestar Galactica, despite what any of you have to say about it.

    Battlestar’s complete lack of any real special features also proved that no one cares about extras if it means that a) they have to wait and pay for the DVDs, packaging etc etc and b) they only want to watch the episodes.

    I smell the end coming for sure. DVDs are wasteful and pretty much useless.

    As for the future, in the time it takes you to go down to the store and buy a DVD or Blu-Ray set, you could have downloaded the whole season in High Def for half the price. Until that is the most popular way to own your favourite TV show, expect Fox to try and get as much money as possible. And DO try and remember that this is Fox home Video and not MGM. They sold the rights to this years ago because… well… DVDs don’t make much money.

    If you really want to save Stargate, or own Stargate, buy the damn thing on iTunes. It’s the way of the future.

  39. Ugly Pig
    Ugly Pig
    September 29, 2009 at 11:53 am |

    I don’t understand the anger over this. I don’t like the trend of split seasons any more than any of you, but it’s still fairly trivial. So we may have to pay a little more money for it over a longer period of time. Big deal. There is an upside, though; we’ll get the first ten episodes on DVD much much sooner.

  40. SpyDude
    September 29, 2009 at 1:27 pm |


    I have no idea what you’re talking about regarding BSG DVDs. They’re all PACKED with special feaures (buttload of commentaries, extended episodes, deleted scenes, making-of featurettes). There aren’t many shows that get this kind of treatment on DVD, only Mad Men (2 commentaries per every episode and much more) tops BSG imo.

  41. blackhawlk
    September 29, 2009 at 1:43 pm |

    I guess they need more money to pay for the new exotic sets and for the big names which IMO won’t make the slightest difference to the sucess of SGU. None of this new cast come close to the charisma of RDA and Joe Flanigan. I’ve spent all the money I’m going to on this franchise and have no intention of ever buying Stargate DVD’s again.

  42. Sylvia
    September 29, 2009 at 2:12 pm |

    @editorguy the main reason I buy the DVDs is for the special features and commentaries, as you are right, I can get the episodes themselves online. I bought all the SGA DVDs for this reason. Your dismal prediction for the future of DVDs does not bode well for the SG1 and SGA movies, does it?

  43. davey1983
    September 29, 2009 at 3:07 pm |

    Wow. Let me get this straight– you just insulted your customers by calling them/us hornets and that we need to get with the program with itunes? I really hope you are not actually working for MGM, but that would explain why MGM is now in trouble. IF anybody in my company said that to one of our customers they would be fired on the spot as the company made an apology to the client.

  44. ranlynn
    September 29, 2009 at 3:15 pm |

    “This has become a popular trend for shows that air two chunks per season.”

    Most of which just happens to be shows on networks belonging to NBC Universal Inc.

    That includes but not limited to; NBC, SyFy, Bravo, USA, Oxygin.

    These ‘split’ season sets are just a way for them to get more money, especially since they’re priced almost as high as the fullseason sets.

  45. US06154
    September 29, 2009 at 3:16 pm |

    @editorguy, I’m just saying.. (not that I am condoning it, or actually doing it.) If downloading is going to be the way of the future, well IMHO, on one hand you have a release by the studio or channel, for a cost, then on the other hand, the same download (or a reasonable facsimile) is available for *FREE* off Torrents.. so as they say in the good ol’ US of A, Ya’ll do the math… DVD’s were always purchased for the un-adultrated version of the show + commentaries + additional material. I Wouldn’t want to waste 4.xGb of data off my internet, let alone 25-30Gb for a full season. So yes, I buy the Physical Disks, because I want the whole kit and Kaboodle.

  46. EryasDax
    September 29, 2009 at 3:23 pm |

    The DVD market is shrinking, more now than even a year ago. Profit margins are being cut as more $ are coming out of that purchase price. Anyone happen to notice the writers strike that paralyzed the industry and many support business? (Heavy sarcasm ) They wanted fair compensation for their work as it aired in other ways and rightly so. (Everyone say Internet.) And they are not the only ones. Directors, actors and studios all want their fair share. So, when I say “Internet” I am not just talking about the “black market” downloading of shows commercial free but from iTunes, and Amazon; or with minimal commercial interruptions on hulu. fancast, etc. or “On Demand” on cable or satellite TV. It’s affecting ratings and DVD sales. MGM/FOX and whoever are trying to cover all the bases to try not be left financially behind. Unfortunately, the consumer looses as the recession continues.

  47. EryasDax
    September 29, 2009 at 3:31 pm |

    BTW, did anyone notice the flimsy packaging of the new Children of the Gods DVD? The sides of the case had open slots; as did the SGA blue ray case. Even the cardboard cover was very thing. They screamed cost cutting.

    One more thing….. The reason that I have purchased multiple box sets for myself (including the original SG-1 season 1-8 and slimline (x3) for children, gifts etc., is because Stargate’s DVDs have always been reasonably priced compared with the “cash cow” that was Paramount: Star Trek. The original DVDs of ST: TNG were the most reasonably priced at say Wal Mart – the day they came out at a low, low price of $99.99! (There’s that sarcasm again.) The same with DS9 and the others to follow. (I have to admit that I shelled out over $700 each for TNG & DS9 that were my very favorite TV shows ever. OK, I didn’t have cable and I “discovered” Stargate in the end of season 5. Now Stargate is my #1 with a close DS9 and TNG to follow.) Just now DS9 sets are “down” to $49.99 on Amazon or $30.25 per season download; or TNG at between $46 – $54.99 a season! The Stargate PTB were smarter as they made up in volume what they lacked in price. But I fear that even that is not enough these days. Only time will tell.

  48. DebraDownSth
    September 29, 2009 at 3:45 pm |

    Yeah we know it is to make more money. Sorry I’ll wait til they have it in one package. Heck I might wait til the show is complete and get all at once. Depends on how great it is.

  49. bansidhewail
    September 29, 2009 at 3:50 pm |

    Hornets is a reasonable way to describe your average Internet forum or message board, and the responses to editorguy have in no way proven him wrong in characterizing the posters thusly.

    Do people want the things they enjoy to keep being created and distributed? Then frigging buy them. End of story. I’ll pre-order the first season — *or* half-season set if that’s how they go — the moment I see it available on Amazon. Same way I did with every season of SGA, same way I do with Supernatural, Lost, Smallville, and S1 of Dollhouse.

    There are more than enough whiny, wanky, entitled bitches out there; how about actually acting like a fan if you’re enough of one to be hanging out on a fansite?

  50. shaw214
    September 29, 2009 at 4:21 pm |

    If they do decide to sell half seasons, i will not purchase them as the show is on tv. I will wait until it finishes and buy a boxed set. if this means that they will not have as many seasons so be it.

  51. lahela
    September 29, 2009 at 4:36 pm |

    @ editorguy

    Some of us folks who watch Stargate actually live outside the US, and some of us actually live in countries where we can not buy TV shows from iTunes. Go figure. ;) I buy the discs. If I want to watch the show in reasonable definition without station logos all over it, I have no choice.

    I don’t mind buying half seasons, because it will mean having good quality versions to rewatch in the hiatus, but your generalisations don’t necessarily ring true for everyone. :)

  52. dreadtech
    September 29, 2009 at 4:40 pm |

    I agree it is a rip off, but at the end of the day no one is forcing you to buy it. like other T.V shows that have had a two volume releash it will have a compleate boxset later on in the year.
    My advise is just do not buy it until it comes out as a compleate boxset. That way if no one buy the indervidual volumes then at least season two will not get the same treatment.

  53. vss
    September 29, 2009 at 5:07 pm |

    I think editorguy isn’t telling us the whole story here. Itunes in HD is $54.00. Now I have no idea what SGU will go for in blu-ray (or if it’ll even be sold in HD) but to say a download is half the cost is simply not true. I plan to watch the eps on hulu and buy the DVDs, but I’m sure as hell not going to buy a season pass on itunes.

    And it’s not just SGU. Atlantis eps go for $2.99 even now. While I agree that DVDs are probably going the way of the dinosaur, I am not crying for the studios. The point is- people still will BUY the content. Whether its DVDs, itunes, unbox, whatever…. to say we won’t get more stargate (movies or series) because DVD sales are down is simply disingenuous- because the content is being purchased in a different way.

  54. US06154
    September 29, 2009 at 5:19 pm |

    Sing along with me kids.. “MGM is not our friend, doodah, doodah, MGM is not our friend, oh doodah day..”

  55. o6untouchable
    September 29, 2009 at 5:30 pm |

    wnelson made an interesting point on Page 2; we already get Stargate released as individual volumes – each disc is kicked out individually. If releasing the season in two halves is a replacement for that, then they’re actually making things *cheaper*, not more expensive.

  56. o6untouchable
    September 29, 2009 at 5:36 pm |

    At the end of the day, it doesn’t really bother me how the seasons are presented: just as long as they’re consistant with their packaging. The fact that my Atlantis box sets aren’t of a uniform size bugs me. But then, I’m OCD about things being uniform, having complete sets, etc. :P

  57. lordliverspots
    September 29, 2009 at 7:34 pm |

    This is great news! I would LOVE to spend more on my dvd sets.

  58. editorguy
    September 29, 2009 at 8:00 pm |


    *slaps his head for writing here. again.*

    You know what? You’re right. I was referring to the first couple of seasons of BSG… but yeah. They fixed that in a hurry. My bad.

    Actually, you’ll find that once another season starts to air, iTunes slashes it prices to get as much money as possible from further downloads. So yes, while people in other countries cannot download it from iTunes and have no alternative to the DVDs, if you wait long enough, or at least as ling as it takes for the next season to begin airing, you’ll find the episodes at a significant discount. Just saying.

    THIS website is not an accurate representation of all of the fans of Stargate. Stargate fans are for the most part wonderful people who love to watch a great television show (x3). I have had some wonderful conversations with them, here and in real life.

    However, I also find that tucked safely behind the anonymity of a forum, fans on THIS website can be aggressive and reactionary to almost every detail of the show that is released, and there are times when this, as a person who works hard on the material and genuinely enjoys it, gets extremely frustrating. I’m sorry you are offended, I really am, but I think you just proved my point.

  59. editorguy
    September 29, 2009 at 8:07 pm |

    Also. Yes. Please buy the DVDs and Blu-Rays if you want them.

    All I was trying to say was that the market for these items is shrinking, and although there will always be die-hard fans like yourselves that will want to buy them, that doesn’t mean it will always be the most fiscally viable way to deliver the content to the people.

  60. vss
    September 29, 2009 at 8:35 pm |

    Okay editorguy, thank you for the information on itunes. But you didn’t address my second paragraph. DVDs may be on their way out, and for those of us who like special features, that will be a loss. But as long as the studios figure out a way to deliver the content in a fiscally viable way, as you said, then the studios still make money, and we’ll still get our TV shows and movies, right?

  61. editorguy
    September 29, 2009 at 8:42 pm |


  62. flmatthew
    September 29, 2009 at 9:51 pm |

    Remember everyone, there is no market for DVD movies and thats why no ATLANTIS movie is being made. Prove them right and don’t buy this. Don’t buy anything gate until they give us the movies they promised.

  63. flmatthew
    September 29, 2009 at 9:55 pm |

    I don’t understand you Darren. You speak like a P.R. Agent for MGM-Universal. They are here to be our friend because without us they can say good bye. We just don’t watch and buy Gate but all other things this company puts out. There is always someone else to produce product when a studio goes under. Let me be the first to say good-bye.

  64. jermdavid
    September 30, 2009 at 4:45 am |

    That is freaking stupid. That maybe a trend, but that is why I stopped buying Battlestar Galactica. When they released Season 2.0 and 2.5 volumes for the same price as a full season of another show I was done.

  65. Darren
    September 30, 2009 at 6:55 am |

    @flmatthew – I calls ’em like I sees ’em. Not sure I can put it better. Maybe my perspective comes from having worked in the same industry for several years and being on the other side of the table.

    Businesses exist to profit. Most folks won’t refuse to buy a show they love, out of spite. They’ll just wait till the price drops to what they are willing to pay. What many here are really complaining about is that the DVDs will (likely) be too expensive to pick up RIGHT AWAY. If that’s the case, MGM will (and should) feel it in their sales numbers.

    FWIW, I will disagree with editorguy (Thanks for stopping by). I don’t think the End of DVDs and Blu-ray is quite so Nigh. The average consumer wants to watch media on her television set, and doesn’t yet have a way to download digital content and do that. We’re still all waiting for “convergence,” which I’m told will happen by the year 2000.

    The market may be shrinking, but until something like VOD+ownership really takes hold I don’t see home entertainment media going anywhere.

  66. Imitation Tofu
    Imitation Tofu
    September 30, 2009 at 9:25 am |

    “There are more than enough whiny, wanky, entitled bitches out there; how about actually acting like a fan if you’re enough of one to be hanging out on a fansite?”

    That’s right, people. If you want to be a True Fan, complete with little halo and imaginary sense of superiority, you need to take whatever the studio is dishing out no matter how blatant a cash grab it is. True Fans bend over and get gouged with a smile.

  67. nathanieletc
    September 30, 2009 at 9:48 am |

    Darren and editorguy, thanks for chiming in. That year 2000 comment was hilarious!

    I am sorry about the tone of some of these comments. I am strongly in the “one set please” camp, but I am trying to be as mature and polite as possible with my feedback.

    I would like to make it clear that I absolutely LOVE the special features on the DVD’s since Ivon took over, and that’s one of the main reasons I want to be able to buy them! However, I am the guy who waits for each season to get down to $20 (which they consistently do), then I grab them. I am a proud owner of seasons 1-10 of SG-1, and I have seasons 2 and 3 of Atlantis, but I’m trying to decide whether to grab the rest or buy the complete series box. My problem now is I can’t see each volume of SGU ever making it down to $10 each, and in fact, I’m guessing the lowest I’ll ever see half a season for is the former low point of $20. This is why I would prefer a complete season release or an eventual repackaging as one box.

    I would like to stress once again that I absolutely love the DVD releases. Editorguy, thank you for what you do. This is only about how I’d prefer to purchase your work, not about you.

  68. starburst
    September 30, 2009 at 10:31 am |

    Most US shows seem to do that, the CSI franchise have done it for years.

    My question would be will this be the norm for all regions or will us non American DVD buyers get different DVD releases (and will they have different content) or the same as Region 1?

  69. DarkElfa
    September 30, 2009 at 10:53 am |

    While I understand the argument that Editor guy makes, I’m sure he’s been had himself by the ol’ “Let’s release the regular edition now and the special later so we can sell it twice” formula that Hollywood now uses to operate which is why we get the standard LotR this Christmas and the Extended Edition later. Or when they split the last Potter film in two to grab that extra payday. We’re being picked clean by the HW vultures and they keep wondering why piracy is flourishing. Its because people don’t feel bad about ripping off those who have ripped them off for decades. You companies need to start learning to live with smaller profit margins and give us more bang for our buck. start actually making pirates feel bad for piracy instead of justified.

  70. editorguy
    September 30, 2009 at 1:16 pm |

    I appreciate the sentiments from some of the fans here overnight and this AM. I love making what I do for you guys. Come on by my profile to chat about stuff anytime (I don’t do spoilers ;P).

    BTW. You are all gonna love Universe. TV. DVD. Blu-Ray. Whatever it is that floats your boat. It’s awesome. :)

  71. Negev
    September 30, 2009 at 4:34 pm |

    Ladies and gentlemen….and humanity bring-ith thee power of downloading: That’s why us humans invented MIRC and utorrent. Good day! [win]

  72. davey1983
    September 30, 2009 at 9:50 pm |

    I was not offended by your statement. I just couldn’t believe that someone would be openly hostel to some of his customers. What I said is true– if I had said something like that to one of my companies clients I would not have a job right now.

    I absolutely agree that people can (and do) overreact to every detail released– but they are still your customers. Without them you would not have a job. For the record, I enjoy your product and I believe you do good quality work- but I feel very strongly (especially as a business person) that employees need to keep their criticisms of their clients away from the actual clients. I also don’t see how I proved your point– I just pointed out what a huge mistake it is to tell any segment of your customers that you don’t appreciate their business, and I believe that any business that allows such behavior will go out of business soon (and I think that MGM’s current situation strengthens my argument).

    With that being said, I appreciate that you came here to give your opinion/insight into the situation, I believe you could have said it much better, however.

  73. vernon
    October 1, 2009 at 9:14 am |

    iTunes? that’s a joke, just liek Blu-Ray and splitting the season into two dvd packages!

    Download a season of a show only to have the harddrive crash? No thanks! DVD’s don’t crash, can drop them in water and they’ll still work fine. Bring back HD-DVDs for people who want HD.

  74. ranlynn
    October 1, 2009 at 1:32 pm |


    mass downloading will only work if the internet providors don’t start charging for bandwidth usage like the phone company charge for phonecalls.

    And a few providers ARE ‘testing’ those waters in some states.

  75. paulschapman
    October 2, 2009 at 4:14 am |

    I’m just waiting to see if we get a blu-ray copy when it comes out on DVD – in the UK my Stargate sets are entirely made of the individual boxes (except S1 of Atlantis) so it really does not bother me (although it is annoying we usually get US Seasons in one group)

  76. Web Of Hair
    Web Of Hair
    October 2, 2009 at 8:28 pm |

    I do not think it’s a bad idea at all to release two parts for a whole season. Now the price is the main thing that will be the deciding factor if it’s going to sell. Much like Bluray some are priced beyond rediculous compaired to the DVD price. Think of it this way. How much more some of us paid for the complete SG1 sets VS the price of the complete series. I have held off on Atlantis for the complete series, which I am shocked it hasn’t come out yet. Either way I’ll be watching it on my DVDR until a complete series comes out.

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  78. bbailey861
    October 3, 2009 at 11:22 am |

    I will not be gouged. If this comes to pass I will not be buying these sets. Period.

  79. mistergroenevingers
    October 3, 2009 at 4:29 pm |

    i don’t want a split up dvd-box in my collection
    and i’m sure as hell not gonna pay more for two separate boxes as i would for one
    by the way i live in europe and i have to wait forever till they release dvd-boxes around here anyway which is highly annoying as well
    they just released season 5 of atlantis around here, go figure
    they’re trying to sell it for more than usual as well
    dudes, i’ve seen those episodes like a year ago, get real!
    why don’t they release the dvd-boxes right away like they do with the (direct-to-dvd) movies? so i don’t have to wait till they air on a tv network that is not available around here anyway and download it.

  80. talyn2k1
    October 3, 2009 at 5:37 pm |

    I hate companies that do this!

    I bought Razor.

    I held off buying the first part of S4 because I just knew at some point they would release the whole set. Then I saw that they had labelled it as 2 separate seasons: Season 4 and ‘The Final Season’, so I caved in and bought the first S4 set. Imagine my annoyance to discover that Razor constituted the first 2 eps of S4 and was therefore in the set.

    Then I grudgingly bought S5.

    As much as I hate companies doing this, and as much as I may hold out for the full set, being the collector I am, I know I won’t be able to wait and will end up giving in and buying both.

    And I will probably hate myself for it afterwards!

  81. Mystik
    October 4, 2009 at 6:17 am |

    I have loved Stargate since the movie, eagerly waited 6 months for the series. Watched it since then and Atlantis. Been reading GW since I found out about it. I own S1-10 SG1 and 1-4 of SGA. Never once have I commented here until now…


    Most people have a house with a 30-year mortgage, 2 jobs or more to pay the bills, 2 cars, maybe a 2 week vacation a year, if they are lucky they can go somewhere beyond 20 miles from home!

    We see the execs at MGM with a huge paid-for home, vacation properties, cars, boats and all that nice cash! Let’s talk about Coop & Wright and the actors/actresses are they so hurting for cash?

    Is it fair that that the fans keep paying for their high lifestyles? I for one don’t think so. If we have to do with less *they* have to do with less! It is a fact of life! But wait the silver spoons don’t wanna.

    MGM bought and paid for the Stargate brand years ago. They own it. They front the cash to make the series (Investment), The Production team gets the money and makes the series. SciFi and others pays MGM a set amount of cash for each episode of the season. If the cost of the show exceeds the return (First runs and syndication) then I would think someone needs to explain high school economics to MGM.

    Several people here talk about the Digital Convergence. I have 3 HD TV’s, 3 popcorn hour’s (Video Convergence Device) one on each. I am ripping all my DVD’s so I can watch any episode without having to find the DVD or change them all the time.

    I started using my DVR to record SG1 & SGA, so I could skip those annoying commercials and so I could have a copy on DVD that I could watch until the season came out on DVD. Since I did not want to pay the HD Tax (Huge InSucks or Cr*pCast Fee) and a HD DVR Tax to boot I got a AppleTV. Oh wow what a P.O.S.! Pay $60.00 for 1 season of the Low Quality 720p encodes Apple does. Can I take it with me? oh, only if I have a AppleTV, a computer or my iPhone. All the DRM (Digital Rights Management) annoyed me. I could not do what I wanted with what I was *Paying* for. So off to BitTorrent I went. I now get HD releases same day as the show airs, No Commercials and I can use it across *any* device I have. I don’t have to waste weeks ripping and encoding from DVD (Like I am doing now with SG1).

    The reality is that no one in the wood has a clue. Digital is here, Convergence is here, it is all a reality from my popcorn hours to my iPhone to my computer. The days of overinflated pricing to cover luxury lifestyles is gone. Here is what you all need to learn.

    1) Stop protecting DVD’s and BD’s by keeping Digital pricing high, It will only serve to aggravate the people who want to go digital and push them like it did me to search for an alternative.

    2) Remove useless DRM, really get a clue, it doesn’t do anything to stop people from putting the content out there at all. It only hurts people who want to pay, but don’t want all the BS restrictions.

    If I could get DRM-free, reasonably priced HD Digital content I would buy it NOW! With each passing day more and more people turn to BitTorrent or some other place to fetch content and the longer it takes the less likely it will be to get them to pay for it again!

    3) Live within your means! Lose the expensive execs and all the other perks and BS before all you have is a company bleed dry by greed. If a show costs more than what you make for it cut the costs of the show down! if you are expecting the kinda returns you see from a feature film (Like a 18M cost to get 400M at the box office no DVD or other returns included) you are living in fantasyland. Let’s remove that silver spoon now before it is too late.

    When you don’t play by the same rules as everyone else has to people get upset. Look at the replies in here! Keep pushing and people will just find a new way and then we all lose. Don’t go into this diatribe about hornets and how we should support the show, this is about supporting the greedy while many people cannot even pay their bills!, Supporting old business models which are no longer relevant, while people are losing their jobs!, and Trying to stop the unstoppable while people are losing their homes!


  82. Jimmylad89
    October 7, 2009 at 6:59 am |

    in the uk they ve released all 5 atlantis seasons and the last couple of Sg1 seasons on 5 discs per season. they charge 20 quid each dvd, so thats 100 quid for just one season, its not till a month later they release the full dvd boxset at 40 quid,

    so if they did this for the uk market it would save uk first time buyers possible 40 quid if they charge 30 quid per SGU boxset.

  83. swordzman
    June 6, 2010 at 1:06 am |

    I have always been a Stargate fan. I subscribed to Showtime many years ago ONLY to get Stargate SG1! I didn’t like Atlantis quite as much at first, but it really grew on me and I was very sad to see it end.

    But let’s get real folks, DVD sales for SGU?

    The only thing worse than sitting thru an episode of Stargate Universe is having to do it AGAIN!

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