266 Responses

  1. bellboy
    December 17, 2010 at 5:23 pm |

    I think the wrestling was probably a critical factor and a lot of potential hits were lost for the sake of a completely different audience. I’m not American but from what I’ve read/heard SyFy is its- and it’s audience’s- own worst enemy.
    (What’s the point of having wrestling on THAT channel anyway? A fake “sport” doesn’t exactly scream science-fiction.)

  2. yesman1701
    December 17, 2010 at 5:29 pm |

    Sorry Darren. All just excuses for a show that wasnt the show we all fell in love with. No RDA, no heroes, no chemistry. As the old saying goes, you dance with what brung ya. They took a gamble and lost.

  3. shelsfc
    December 17, 2010 at 5:40 pm |

    Really good article Darren, nice to have it spelled out a bit, as I’m not too familiar with how the networks work in the States. I agree with ya about SGU, it was a great show in it’s own right with a strong cast and I’m so sorry that, for whatever reasons, it’s not getting the opportunity to go on.

  4. fadetoone
    December 17, 2010 at 5:41 pm |

    If you think about it, wrestling *IS* science fiction. It’s fake, so therefore it’s fiction… that’s easy. But in faking it, they use things like physics, which is a science. So science + fiction = science fiction.

    It’s still stupid that they think it belongs on the channel, mind you.

  5. General Jumper One
    General Jumper One
    December 17, 2010 at 5:48 pm |

    When they kill Sanctuary, I’m gone for good.

  6. iom666
    December 17, 2010 at 6:00 pm |

    I can’t believe ‘some fans’ are rejoicing themselves over this.
    You didn’t want SGU ? So you’ll get nothing guys. There is no new Stargate to come. It’s not SGU going away so something else takes its place. Stargate is over. Thanks a lot for your support.

    I am not angry, just terribly disappointed. I care a lot fort the cast and crew.
    Those folks did an amazing job, they couldn’t have done better. They did not deserve to lose their job over a scheduling and marketing mistake.

    Last but not least, I am terribly thankful to the cast and crew for making themselves so available on Twitter. It was a blast to be able to talk directly with them and get responses just after an episode. It was just a blast to have actors connect directly to the fans in such a manner. It really made you feel part of a family. All my thought and sympathy to them. Hang in there. Surround yourselves with friends and family through those hard and disappointing times and thank you again for the SGU thrills.

  7. general grievous
    general grievous
    December 17, 2010 at 6:02 pm |

    The characters in the show were extremely difficult to like and identify with, let alone look up to. That does make viewers lose interest.

  8. redleader
    December 17, 2010 at 6:05 pm |

    I think its time to give the syfy channel the boot, SGU should do direct to Itunes or digital media distribution and skip the middle man. It’s how Sanctuary got started and it would definitely make MGM some desperately needed money.

  9. zaive
    December 17, 2010 at 6:06 pm |

    Although these things may have contributed to the downfall of SGU, I do not believe they are the reason for low viewership. Lets face it SG:U was not SG:1 or Atlantis. It was a completely different show that just happened to have “Stargate” in the name.

    It didn’t have any of the campy sense of humor of the other two, it didn’t have any real villain, and so on.

    This doesn’t mean that it was a bad show. But, what I’m getting at is a lot of the people who loved the SG universe were completely let down, including myself. I wanted to see a continuation of SG franchise, not a completely new show.

  10. Sylvia
    December 17, 2010 at 6:21 pm |

    I think you got Bingo!
    I’m sorry for all the fans of SGU that the show didn’t make it, but I do think that if it had been a Stargate show that appealed to more of the previous show’s fans, it would have survived. It didn’t. I hope the franchise will carry on in some form, though. The concept is still amazing.

  11. Skiznot
    December 17, 2010 at 6:38 pm |

    In hindsight it would have been wise for MGM to give Atlantis another season or two to run concurrently with SGU. IF SGA fans still had their show they might have been more patient with letting SGU grow. I personally thought Atlantis was in a creative dead end but that’s nothing that a change in the writing approach couldn’t have fixed. SGU got it right in terms of creativity writing and production but the bad blood was already there.

  12. rac80
    December 17, 2010 at 6:57 pm |

    I actually agree with skiznot about running the shows concurrently …but that still would not have endeared sgu to me…just some others might have given it a chance with sga as a lead-in.

  13. gary.j.leadbeater
    December 17, 2010 at 6:58 pm |

    If you think about it, wrestling *IS* science fiction. It’s fake, so therefore it’s fiction… that’s easy. But in faking it, they use things like physics, which is a science. So science + fiction = science fiction.

    Where did you get that load of nonsense from mate, if that was the case then every show ever made would be science fiction there’s physics in everyday life and most shows are fiction.

    And the name change from SCI-FI to SYFY does not give them the rite to say that it warrants putting wrestling on the channel where’s the imagination in a load of oiled up men touching each other its just gay(not that theres anything wrong with been gay). simply put it does not belong on that channel.

    there was plenty of chemistry in the show between all the cast of characters and i love to have RDA back on stargate and he was if i recall he was in 4 or 5 eps of the 1st season not bad considering he retired.

    And there were heroes just not the kind your used to i for 1 enjoyed the change from going through the gate save the day go home emphasis that had been part of stargate for 12 years, i liked the whole its a lot darker vibe and it worked well its just a shame that syfy caused a few disasters that led to the show been canned.

    Anyway thats my 2cents long live universe.

  14. joep
    December 17, 2010 at 6:58 pm |

    I loved SG1 and SGA but only made it 3 episodes into season one and had seen enough. They walked away from what made the first two shows successful. SGU was a poor attempt and a BSG crossover. Until I read that it was canceled I had forgotten all about it.

  15. EryasDax
    December 17, 2010 at 6:58 pm |

    My love for science fiction began while in high school watching the original Star Trek with my boyfriend. While not yet “love” I did like it. The love affair began in earnest shortly after I got married in 1969.

    Loving everything Trek, I gradually branched out to other things sci-fi. I never really thought anything would top my all time favorite of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine; that is until I received a gift of the 1st season of SG-1 on DVD. SG-1 was just beginning the second half of its 5th and final season on Showtime. I was immediately hooked. I purchased all the DVD’s when released and started watching all the Stargate Mondays on SciFi with its four hour block of episodes shown in order. I just couldn’t get enough. I even purchased copies of the first books (although they weren’t very good) and eventually the great books that were originally sold only in England. (Where the shipping cost almost as much as the books!) I even have duplicated many of the books to my Kindle where available. I have purchased the DVD box sets multiple times and gifted them to my children and friends; upgraded to slim line and ultimately to the complete box sets of both SG-1 and SGA. I even have both the DVD and Blu Ray copies of SGU; Continuum; Ark of Truth and the Blu Ray release of SGA.

    So, when I say that the cancellation was a crushing blow to me, I can only imagine how hard it hit the creators and crew; many of which have been employed by the franchise for the better part of 15 years. I know that the actors are also bummed but actors are “gypsies” of sorts and moving on to new projects is all part of the natural order of things in this industry game. But I know that they too will look back at their being part of something very special.

    I want to thank everyone connected with the production of the franchise in general, and SGU in particular, for a wonderful ride. I can only hope that it will return in some form in the near future.

    Thank you also to Darren and David for a wonderful website. Your podcasts are great and I hope that you continue both the site and podcasts in the future and for years to come.

    And to Darren: thanks for a wonderful article which said exactly what I have been thinking all along.

  16. Major_Griff
    December 17, 2010 at 7:01 pm |

    What a shame. SGU is so good. I probably would say at this point it’s my second favorite SG show after SG-1. If any of the haters think this is a justification, remember that some of the best shows of all time were cancelled too soon: Firefly, Arrested Development, Twin Peaks, the list goes on. I wonder if MGM would be allowed to take the show to another channel or if it had the same deal that SG-1 did where it could only air on Sci Fi.

  17. Lord_Shelby
    December 17, 2010 at 7:10 pm |

    I’ll personally blame SyFy for this. I too endured the wait for Sci-Fi’s launch; I’ve lived with the channel like so many, enduring it’s MANY up’s and down’s. And yeah I understand the business aspects – I don’t understand a lot of the television business, but I fully understand and respect the bottom-line.

    What is regrettable in my view, is SyFy’s apparent unwillingness to move with the times, and help move the advertising and television industry with them. To me programming like Smackdown is a joke.Yeah it is a target demographic behemoth – I get it, but instead of finding unique ways to grab your real target audience (Sci-Fi fans and hopeful converts rights?), they went for the money grab.

    Surely a show or script waiting in the wings could tie the hardcore Sci-Fi fan in with the would be fan. Come on SyFy.

    So where does this leave me in regard to Stargate? I’m saddened. Truly. I really, really loved this show – or perhaps the concept more than anything. I loved it as much as I loved SG-1 and Atlantis for entirely different reasons. Like BSG and Caprica to an extent, SG:U gave me the darker, deeper, more cerebral stories I’ve been waiting for from Stargate. I wanted a change, and SG:U was precisely the change I wanted.

    That said, the show was definitely not perfect, but neither were SG-1 and Atlantis – several episodes in each series are unwatchable to me. But that’s okay.

    I’d love to see SG:U go to someone with more money and ability to stretch boundaries.

    For now I am going to avoid SyFy – I am done. I love Eureka, and have some interest in Santuary, but I am now chosing to go where the future of television is going and SyFy isn’t: Off of the DVR and entirely to stream.

  18. jennkup6805
    December 17, 2010 at 7:12 pm |

    I thought I was the only one that remembered that week long placeholder :)

    While I agree with the points made in the article, I think the fact that SGU was Stargate in name only was a major factor in its demise. If you took the actual Stargate out of the show you would never know it was part of the franchise. It was a if someone added that element to an already written, poorly I may add, show.

  19. Fenny
    December 17, 2010 at 7:14 pm |

    I found it just took too long to get going. The first half of S1 was tedious. They took too long to develop characters into people we cared about. I gave up and came back at the end of S1. But it still took the first half of S2 before we finally found out what Destiny’s mission was, what Rush had been working on for all that time.

    I’m finally beginning to think that it’s not that bad, but if we’d seen this last season, I think that viewers might have stuck with it.

  20. gilbak
    December 17, 2010 at 7:14 pm |

    Is it not possible for other networks possibly from another country to fund SGU ?

  21. Zach236
    December 17, 2010 at 7:17 pm |

    Ultimately, I think the downfall of SGU was season 1. Not that there were not any other factors but at the core of the issue was season 1 whether you liked it or not. Season 1 had some terrible episodes, mixed with at least 2 or 3 great ones and a lot that were pure mediocrity to a large enough number of viewers, apparently. That being said I thought the cast did a great job with the material they had and the show was shot well for what it was supposed to be. But the story itself was not very compelling it was too slow. In season 2 they absolutely turned the story around by having episodes with story lines and drama. I would like to have seen a show like what has been done in the 2nd season from the get go, rather than what they had in the 1st season.

  22. The Tenth Doctor
    The Tenth Doctor
    December 17, 2010 at 7:23 pm |

    You can come up with as many reasons as you wish apart from the content and quality, but I’m fairly sure that those were the elements, or rather the lack of in certain people’s opinions that killed Stargate Universe.

    And season one was dreadful.

  23. joep
    December 17, 2010 at 7:29 pm |

    Star trek survived Voyager and Nemesis, Stargate can survive SGU. SyFi didn’t kill SGU the writers did. The writers are the ones that thumbed their nose at the fans. The writers didn’t listen when the fans told them they hated the whiney characters. They are the ones that damaged the brand by trying to copy other shows instead of being true to the franchise. SyFi has its issues; Ghoast Hunters is a big one, but they didn’t do this.

  24. Mrja84
    December 17, 2010 at 7:44 pm |

    Did some of you who bash his article even read it fully? He states that the final reason was purely it did not convert casual to true fans and didn’t hold on to viewers. He’s not making s**t up or sugar coating it.

    Get off being the all-knowing person and just act like a reasonable people. I cant go back and watch shows of SG1 & SGA or even SGU. Why? Cause once I’ve seen it, I’m not able to enjoy it. It’s boring. I much rather have new content, then repeats or dead air.

    I don’t blame other fans. But this is the nature of being on cable. Less casual viewers watch shows outside of the core networks. Sure it’s nice to have support in terms of money, but if a show cannot get people coming back it’s not going to last.

    I’m happy Syfy is airing the rest instead of holding on to them for a year or so like they have done. I personally wished I was able to watch it live but just graduated, moved to a new state, got a new job, and got my first apartment at the end of Nov makes it hard to even have TV service during the in-between times.

    With a cast as wide as this, I hope a, SGU movie is able to get fast tracked before an SG1 or SGA one. But either way, I prefer some Stargate versus no Stargate.

    And while I said I don’t like repeats. I am thinking about getting the seasons. But after not even watching the seasons I already have for other shows, I’m hesitate to spend money in my new living environment.

  25. rambosmurf
    December 17, 2010 at 7:55 pm |

    If you don’t watch live with commercials and also have a Nielsen box, you watching really doesn’t matter.

    I personally believe the show failed due to the incredibly noting-happened first half of the first season. When you have a show which is arc based as this one is you need to hook people from the start, the exiting part should be in season two. The point in the story we are right now should be 3/4 of the first season rather than already midway season 2.

    Or just the way the show was announced, the same week as SGA’s cancelation as to imply SGA got canceled for SGU.

    That along with the stupid things the creators said, like blaming the fans of SGA/SG-1 for its failure or telling that if you don’t watch you ruin any chance for another show. And lately saying it’s a five season arc but saying they can finish the show with one season, which really tells something about the ridiculously slow and non-eventfull storytelling.

    But the long midseason breaks and time-slot shift certainly didn’t help.

    I watched the show, and am fully aware that my viewing didn’t count, but every episode I was like “ok nice episode, nothing exiting, lots of filler, should have moved on quicker”, the constant cliffhangers (which I always see as desperate pleas to watch the next episode) were tedious, and failed to excite me for the next episode but rather irritate me.

    The funny thing is SGA did better in its fifth season than SGU did in its first, some Syfy executives are probably hitting themselves in the face right now.

  26. Shadow Ds
    Shadow Ds
    December 17, 2010 at 7:55 pm |

    As a person who does not watch SGU on Syfy but rather on sights like Hulu etc, I agree and further more think that the Broadcasting reasons for the show played a huge factor. (It’s why it was moved in the first place) I see cable TV as a waste of money and if i can watch the same shows a day later Add free on some sites then hell yes i will watch it.

    With that said, if me getting cable for $50 a month would have saved this show then I would have down it hands down. I was skeptical about the show at first but after following it every week, I loved the show’s development and was eager next installment. The wait for new seasons and episodes were painful and I needed constant reminder that it was returning (and when) but all the same it always comes back to money, and this has been turning me off of SyFy gradually.

    They keep coming out with shows/movies that was down right pitiful to say the least (every now and again you would get one with an ok story but seriouly a black hole in the middle of the U.S.? A Half Shark/Half Croc? Common!)

    Sci Fi shows (the show’s not he network) have been as a whole growing dumber and dumber. There are few shows out there that keep me going any more, most my sci i get from books or games and thats just down right sad now.

    I just hope they cancelled Haven as well because i dunno what the hell that show was supposed to be! After watching all of the episodes, i’m still as lost as i was on episode one!

  27. ToddJPI
    December 17, 2010 at 7:59 pm |

    I remember when Sci-Fi Channel was a great channel. Before Bonnie Hammer led the ranks. I was there every Friday for Stargate, Farscape, and Invisible Man. Then POOF, here comes Hammer. No more Farscape, no more Invisible Man. Letting the whole network get ratings from Stargate SG1, then they got Atlantis, and then they started with the campy crap Saturday movies, wrestling, and reality shows.

    Let SyFy/Sci-Fi die, it’s the M-TV of the genre now.

  28. ShepardRahl
    December 17, 2010 at 8:21 pm |

    Personally I think Smackdown is probably the single biggest reason. I love wrestling. I’ve been watching wrestling since before I can remember. But I also love sci-fi. I didn’t understand at first, and I still kind of don’t, how wrestling relates to science fiction and why it’s going to be on the syfy channel. I don’t understand why they just don’t air it on the USA network with Raw. But anyway, when they moved SGU to Tuesday nights I became a little fearful because it was such an odd and drastic change from Friday nights where Stargate has always been. I thought Season 1 was a little slow. But I was really getting into Season 2. I’m about to the point to where I’m as upset as I was when UPN or CW, I forget which it was called at the time, canceled Star Trek: Enterprise because it didn’t “fit into their demographic”. Now it’s all vampire crap and 90210. Suffice it to say I don’t watch CW anymore. Nothing was worth watching besides Enterprise. I almost kind of feel that way about SGU and syfy. I’ve tried to get into Sanctuary and the other shows but they haven’t really hooked me. So I’m kind of afraid that outside of Smackdown I probably won’t be watching much syfy anymore. So smackdown moving to syfy on Friday nights forcing SGU to Tuesdays is what I think is the biggest reason. If I was the network exec I would have moved Sanctuary to Tuesdays since it was more established and had more seasons and kept SGU on Fridays to give it more time and maybe a third season. In my opinion canceling any show after two seasons isn’t really giving it much of a chance. I could be wrong. Like I said it’s just my opinion.

  29. mindwarped
    December 17, 2010 at 8:50 pm |

    SGU did not have the ratings to warrant a 2nd season (it lost ratings ever episode and ended with a 0.5 rating, no other show in 2009 ended with that bad of a rating and not renewed), you should be thanking SciFi not blaming it. It got crushed on Friday so it was moved to Tuesday where it also got crashed. People seemed to find Σ & W13 on Tuesday with no issues after a long layoff for their Xmas shows. At some point you have to stop blaming others and just face the fact SGU was not liked by many viewers. When you pull a 0.3 – 0.4 in the 18-29 demo you are going to get canned. The Hasselhoffs pulled a 0.3 and got canned after ONE episode.

  30. Lord_Shelby
    December 17, 2010 at 9:06 pm |

    @mindwarped Yes the ratings were in steady decline, but they eventually leveled off. It’s not what SyFy and their source of funding wanted, but I want to see SyFy go old-school cowboy and defy convention. Television on the whole is stagnant – it isn’t just SyFy, but I do blame them. I cannot fault the crew of SG:U for wanting to take a chance and stretch creatively. As I said earlier SG:U clearly wasn’t perfect, but it was unique and it was change. Perhaps that’s the big fault – too many are unwilling to be patient and accept that some change for the better just takes time.

    SG:U was good and getting better this last season. Shame on SyFy for not giving it one more season.

  31. dtguitar
    December 17, 2010 at 9:19 pm |

    Darren, since MGM owns the Stargate franchise, isn’t it possible that it could lease it to another network that might be interested in picking up the show?

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  33. Gaeth
    December 17, 2010 at 9:25 pm |

    @yesman1701: You didn’t dance with the one that brought you. I did.

  34. Imperious
    December 17, 2010 at 9:44 pm |

    Thanks Darren for an excellent article, well thought out and written.
    If Tuesday night is that Important to SyFy, then why not have put Wrestling on that timeslot instead of SGU?. The people that watch that would tune in whatever night it is on, it definitely makes more sense to throw your big guns at the competition instead of something that cannot compete with it, and there was no way SGU was going to survive against “Dancing with the stars” and “NCIS”.
    Stupid management decisions always kills good shows, Firefly being one of the best examples ever, brilliant show with morons controlling it’s destiny.
    Of course we will never know how SGU’s ratings may have faired if left paired up with Sanctuary, possibly may have improved from season one.
    If Stargate is that important to MGM they should be rather infuriated at SyFy’s atrocious management of their franchise.
    They should strip any rights to Stargate off SyFy completely, no more reruns, nothing, they don’t deserve it anymore.
    Then find another network that is willing to to do a final season of SGU to finish the story off.

    Leaving the story unresolved is the worst thing ever in my opinion that can happen. SG1 was all finished, SGA was too rushed in the final half of season 5, but at least the Wraith were just about finished with, just a few loose ends there.
    MGM also will get ever reducing income from Stargate with no new seasons, their income from DVD and BluRay sales will plummet, as well as any income from overseas sales, not that I know exactly how the money works with respect to overseas networks.

    MGM made a point of keeping Stargate as part of their restructuring plan, so let’s hope they act on that.

  35. waveuponwave
    December 17, 2010 at 9:48 pm |

    I get so tired of this wrestling argument. NBC and the WWE have a special relationship. NBC owns Syfy. That is that.

  36. AscendedTauri
    December 17, 2010 at 9:50 pm |

    I blame SyFy’s absolutely horrid marketing department for making yet another poor decision.

    More so, I blame people’s lack of patience and ignorance. Society is too easily fed information. Thanks for waiting people! S.2 brought us what we were looking for, but you couldn’t stick around!

  37. Imperious
    December 17, 2010 at 10:06 pm |

    I think the TV audience in general now days has no patience, and wants too much, too soon, SGU would easily have survived 5 seasons in the 90’s.

    DS9 and Voyager would have had no chance whatsoever in today’s TV market, 7 seasons of 26 episodes to finish the story arc, and a massive amount of slow paced, filler episodes.
    Star Trek TNG barely had any continuing story at all. just Q and Borg story arcs being spread out across 7 seasons.
    Babylon 5 would not have survived season 1, which was extremely slow, and had terrible special effects.
    All these shows ran to completion though, and improved as they went, so for a show as high quality as SGU to get cancelled after 2 seasons likely marks the end of an era for Sci-fi television as we have known it for decades.

    Likely we will be left with mini series and single or short season story arcs only, no point making long story arc shows if they cannot run to completion.

  38. Imperious
    December 17, 2010 at 10:13 pm |

    @yesman1701: What are You talking about, RDA was in a few episodes of SGU, but even He had practically bowed out of SG1 during season 8, then only returned intermittently.

  39. delafe
    December 17, 2010 at 10:18 pm |

    I have mixed feelings. SGU’s second season has been considerably better than the first, but still fell short of what I would expect for the franchise. It was too dark and lacked focus for my taste. There were some great actors and writers with horid direction in my opinion.

    I am saddened to see the franchise come to an end. I think that a shift in direction and focus would have greatly improved the show. I also feel that SyFy tried very hard to make the show fail by their incompetence. The day they changed their name to “SyFy” was the beginning of the end in my opinion. Wrestling and stupid shows of people wandering around abandoned buildings reacting to nothing have no place on a channel that was dedicated to Science Fiction, but, alas, that is the direction the entire world is headed (When is the last time you saw something educational on “The Learning Channel”?)

    I hope that MGM attempts to find a new home for SG:U, I think that with a nudge in the right direction the show would do great. Perhaps make “Universe” a truly “Stargate Universe” show with episode arcs which take place at the SGC/SG1/Milky Way, Atlantis and Destiny?

    Certainly have year round programming with the “different” arcs appearing during mid-season breaks.

    Anyway, I doubt SyFy will take responsibility for their failure and I sincerely hope they either come under new management that slaps them around or that it dies a quick death. (Or at least change the name to something else entirely)


  40. knowles2
    December 17, 2010 at 10:18 pm |

    dtguitar | December 17 @ 9:19 pm

    It could happen by SYFY were bastard when it came to SG1 an blocked any moved from the network.

    I think MGM should use SGU an the Stargate franchise to explore new ways to sell there content directly to the audience, it the way industry moving an in the UK several productions firms are already moving ahead with developing there own distribution channels on new platforms such as Google TV or Youview, basically they are apps that live on these platforms but act channels. The British Film council an Kudos Productions are both working on such project.

  41. Tyrannosaur
    December 17, 2010 at 10:18 pm |

    I look at it like this now… Should I ultimately decide to get rid of TV I don’t have to spend anything for new episodes. It’s one less thing to watch on TV. I can also cut my cable bill in half to local channels and limited basic (dropping SyFy) even though I may miss the Science Channel. SyFy just sucks and it’s a bad network. I am tired of having to see and deal with their shoddy programming and their stupid decisions (Tuesday nights, morons). I personally doubt there’s going to be another Stargate series for a while with the way it stands at the moment and the thing is? I’m fine with that. The fandom’ll survive as it always does and hopefully the movies will come together soon. Yeah, SGU had a rough start trying to find itself with a new formula (which I didn’t like at first, because of how drastic it was), and I admit being a long time SG-1 and Atlantis fan and NOT liking it this season thus far by Mid-Season it was starting to get better (some where even getting that ‘old Stargate feel of adventure’ in the episodes. Heck, truthfully, I didn’t like Atlantis much when it started out and the fourth and fifth seasons was just rocky for me. All in all, thanks for the fine programming SGU. You’ll be missed, and I hope your ‘five year’ mission that was planned can continue on in another licensed and canon format whether it be novel, comic, movie, or mini-series.

  42. Bevarne
    December 17, 2010 at 10:47 pm |

    Hey SGU cast Im really sorry to hear of your cancellation you will truly be missed in AUSTRALIA we love you from downunder……. Common MGM get off your ARSE and find some other Network to run with…

    THANKYOU for 2 Fantastic years…. Sad day for me

  43. charmedstargate
    December 17, 2010 at 11:00 pm |

    I live in Australia and we do not love SGU here. It lasted 2 episodes on channel 10 and was quickly pulled off the air!! It will return early next year on channel 11 after nearly a year absence. But i highly doubt it will make much of an impression since it disappeared only after 2 episodes.
    In Australia we love SGA and SG1!

  44. Saquist
    December 17, 2010 at 11:09 pm |

    I don’t think so Darren.
    SGU was the coach that turned into a pumpkin at mid night. You can blame all you want but I have to say SGU was bringing down SyFi and Stargate all on it’s own. It took too much money and far too much time to justify. It just wasn’t a good product..

    the Mid Season 4 Month Break
    Networks Block Busters
    Not having the right lead into’s

    SGU was dying in it’s Friday spot and died in it’s Tuesday spot. Sanctuary is alive..surviving as you already said even though half the audience leaves. That’s because the show has CHARACTER and people pick up on that.

  45. Kelara
    December 17, 2010 at 11:17 pm |

    Wow, up until reading through to your point 6, I was a bit worried about the balance of this article but in the end, I have to agree. There have been some less than stellar decisions on the network’s part, but still, a really *gripping* (it’s not really about good or bad, just about how many people it draws in regardless of quality) show will sink or swim on it’s own merits.

    Someone print and frame paragraph 2 and 3 of point 6 and send them to anyone hopping onto the blame game wagon.

  46. stargatefan1958
    December 17, 2010 at 11:38 pm |

    well i think syfy is a bunch of crap for doing that th SGU and what does wrestling have to do with syfy any way. I am very upset with syfy and i will wait for all my other shows i watch to go to video syfy you suck

  47. JanoraSongbird
    December 17, 2010 at 11:46 pm |

    I am extremely disappointed that one of my most favorite shows is canceled and disappearing. SGU and all the Stargate shows are 10 times better than Caprica or Sanctuary and 100 times better than WEE smacks! The SyFy execs are idiots, first for moving the best shows from Friday Nights (yay SciFi Fridays!) to any other night, and second, for putting any stupid wrestling shows on a “used-to-be” great TV channel. SyFy has dropped all the greatest shows that they used to have. Not much is left that I’m interested in. Unless they come up with some really great new shows, and continue to rerun the great ones, they are going to lose me as a viewer altogether.
    An Avid SciFi Fan

  48. AnthonyBJr
    December 17, 2010 at 11:47 pm |

    Yeah, Sanctuary sucks… Syfy sucks. No more Sci fi on TV. SGU fans should try the farscape approach to get a way to finish off the series. It’s the only way to go.

  49. Cay
    December 17, 2010 at 11:53 pm |

    REASON 7

    I know that they called it ‘slow’ but I disagree, I think ‘mature’ is better. The fans were too (for lack of a better word) dumb to get it. They would have been happier watching seasons of Wormhole Extreme.

    SG1 and SGA were very cheesy in a sense. SGU was a good solid drama. One that I believe would have done great on a real prime time network. If they had tried to obtain a new fan base. Lost was a huge success and this could have run right along with that. If it was given a real chance, it could have worked.

  50. Cay
    December 17, 2010 at 11:58 pm |

    NBC owns SGU, right?
    Run it on NBC, if they start soon, they can run it for the next 15 weeks, then air season 2.5. It will cost them nothing. At that point, they will know if theres any new fans or not. I think the real problem was that they tried something new with the old fans.

  51. Imperious
    December 18, 2010 at 12:25 am |

    @charmedstargate: Get Your facts right.


    It rated 487000 viewers and stupid Channel 10 (free to air network digital) still shoved it off it’s timeslot.

    It lasted 5 episodes I think, but they probably took it off due to ONE HD becoming more sport focused. Will be interesting to see how it fares on 11 (still the Ten network).

  52. Optional
    December 18, 2010 at 12:30 am |

    I’m done with Network Television. No point in getting into it, it’s always canceled. Too many brain dead people watching Dancing With the Stars or any of that rubbish.

  53. prion
    December 18, 2010 at 12:41 am |

    Part of the problem was that MGM/SyFy seemed to truly expect that all Stargate fans would follow from SG1 and/or SGA into SGU. It did not work that way. I can’t count how many fans turned it on and went “isn’t this Battlestar Galactica??” So those viewers just didn’t come over. Lack of real publicity, switching it here and there, also did not help. And Stargate, face it, was mostly an episodic show which you could watch one episode, miss one, and not get confused. SGU was more serialized, and that turns off some viewers.

    Ironically, though, SGU met the same fate as SGA. Cancelled one day, while Being Human, the next new shiny toy, is announced. SyFy really needs to work on their PR…

  54. Coremae
    December 18, 2010 at 12:43 am |

    Darren Sir, I agree, I’ve been working eleven to twelve hour days these last few days, on a job that’ll only last till christmas, So I was blown away when I saw this just now.
    Sure I didn’t Like Atlantis cancelation, and how SGU replaced it, but SGU has not only grown on me, but have become something to look forward to, even if it came on the unusual Tuesday nights. And Just after it got really interesting. Their programming killed our favorite shows in the past. And it just killed SGU! I LIVE IN THE BAHAMAS, NASSAU BAHAMAS, and I’m a faithful watcher. And a lot of people here that I’ve met, watch Stargate, and they love all the shows. Because not only did we watch our beloved show but we watched your commercials—Dudes kept talking about fallout las vegas during the commercial with SGU. I don’t like wrestling anymore and I don’t like You Syfy, unless of course I have an original idea and ya’ll happen to support it, but other than that …

  55. himmelheaven1
    December 18, 2010 at 12:44 am |

    Ok – I’ve never left a comment anywhere on the internet before, but as a dedicated sci-fi fan I feel I have to.

    “Armchair Producer – Scifi (SyFy) Fan”

    1.) SGU was not a good program, right from the start and I really wanted to like it. Truly. Personally, I prefer strong character driven shows, books etc and there are so few on TV. SGU had the good fortune to have many well developed characters in this series, but nothing ever happened. Unfortunately with a story, something has to happen. I want conflict & resolution – it can be spread out over many shows if not weekly, but not into infinity. I know you can argue that the story progressed, but only as fast as a little old lady in an ancient Corvair driving in a school zone. They lost me in the 1st season by the 3rd episode. The only reason I kept watching was for hope. I miss my Sci-Fi Fridays, which by the way started on Showtime where SG-1 originated with The Outer-Limits.
    2.) In spite of the fact I like character driven stories, I didn’t like any of the characters. I didn’t really have someone to relate to. I suppose it’s more realistic that everyone have a level of as***le in them, but for the sake of story I need a protagonist to get behind 1st before realzing they’re human.
    3.) I hate wrestling – what has that got to do with Sci-Fi? Is it considered Sci-Fi because its a total fantasy, too? I’d rather see re-runs of anything in the genre, but wrestling.
    4.) Sorry I ran on so long and most likely I’ve lost any readers. Sci-Fi or (Syfy) is still my favorite channel and I regret being so critical of a program. I acknowledge the difficulty of producting a story that the public will embrace and it must be further complicated by the expense and imaging challenges TV has to offer. When you read, the imagination fills in – when you watch, it’s all up to a studio to take you there and they are fraught with budgeting, time constraints and the challenge of keeping us on the edge of our seats weekly. Making us believe isn’t easy and they’ve been so good at it – the bar has been raised pretty high.
    5.) My suggestion – new science fiction series: in space, good characters, maybe not quite so dark, less leaning towards 1st season NYPD Blue where David Caruso looks at the camera and asks “how are you feeling?” but actually does something. What about “Firefly”?

    Those are the thoughts of an “Armchair Producer”.

  56. zackwbrandon
    December 18, 2010 at 12:46 am |

    One could also look at the history over at Sci-Fi as a 7th point: they have a habit of buying the failed programming of other networks to be groomed to replace their own. They buy Sliders, then replace it with Farscape, then buy Stargate to replace Farscape, then make BSG… When they were ordered to play Wrestling by their parent (NBC) I knew that was the writing on the wall for anything Stargate.

    I only hope that Sci-Fi gets out from under the sinking ship that is NBC Universal and finds a safe haven with Disney, Warner, or Paramount. The two best scifi/fantasy shows of the moment are on CW.

  57. jimv1983
    December 18, 2010 at 1:08 am |

    Maybe because it was more soap opera than sci-fi.

  58. Coremae
    December 18, 2010 at 1:11 am |

    it was soap opera, but then i remembered i loved bold and beautiful, and that’s back in the day when i was in high school in the early 90’s, when i thought fashion designers got all the girls until i grew older and found out that most fashion designers are gay, and not ridge forrester.

  59. guy321
    December 18, 2010 at 1:21 am |

    The one problem I had w/SGU was the simple fact that there were too many main characters. They spent so much time on trying to develop the background story to each one of those characters that they lost the true sense of adventure which made the Stargate franchise so popular and exciting. Don’t get me wrong — I love highly scripted characters, but there were simply too many characters here, and plot lines began wearing thin and often it was hard to keep track of all the different backstories and subplots going on at once.

  60. FoxTrottrGrl
    December 18, 2010 at 1:41 am |

    I think that all the points that were made were valid – but I think that as far as viewer retention went, you have to face facts – it didn’t retain viewers because it wasn’t the Stargate the fans were used to. The humor wasn’t there that was such a big draw for SG-1 and Atlantis. If the fans had wanted to watch BSG, they watched BSG – not “sort of BSG but we gave them a stargate.”

    As far as I’m concerned though, #4, about technology affecting when people watch it, is what killed Atlantis. Did it have some effect on Universe? No doubt. But it’s not the primary reason it was canceled.

  61. TheDudeDean
    December 18, 2010 at 1:46 am |

  62. Uncle Al
    Uncle Al
    December 18, 2010 at 1:57 am |

    I think the point about wrestling on Friday nights is all wrong. SyFy had to do something quickly to hang onto their advertising dollars when they realized that SGU was not going to pull in viewers. TPTB sold SYFY on the premise that SGU would pull in more viewers in the coveted demographics than the fist two shows did. I’m sure the execs at SyFy knew SGU was not going to deliver after the fist half of season one aired but they were stuck with a two year deal. Bringing in a sure money maker on Friday was a no brainer – SyFy needed to limit their loss on SGU. Bottom line, if SGU delivered as TPTB promised it would still be on Friday nights and wrestling would not. It is really unfathomable that TPTB wasted the fist season on slow boring drama. It sealed its fate. I bet it would have been cancelled after season one if there was not already a two year contract signed. This was the third franchise for them. There are no excuses for them to put out such an unviable product they are seasoned pros. With their experience they should have had no problem delivering a hit. I blame TPTB not SyFy for the cancellation.

  63. Emily
    December 18, 2010 at 2:02 am |

    “Blame…on backlash from fans of the previous series” A thousand view difference.
    You’re acting like SGU is an exception from other shows. All other shows face the difficulty of trying to get viewers to watch live…All shows have people watching it illegally and online.

  64. Browncoat1984
    December 18, 2010 at 2:30 am |

    I think Uncle Al hit the nail on the head. I enjoyed SGU at the same time I’ll have to admit that the first 10 episodes were rather slow. I knew that it would eventually get better due to my experience with similar shows like BSG, B5 and Farscape (which wasn’t perfect in its first season either), but I think Life is really what hurt the series, especially after they went on a 6 month break almost immediately after that episode aired (2 episodes actually). I think that going the serious drama route is definitely a good mood for Stargate, but the drama moved along too slowly. There’s no reason they couldn’t have stuck with the more B5/BSG style serialized nature but it needed to pick up more quickly, it was so slow that people stopped watching and have not even bothered to check back to see that it has in fact improved.

    So as much as I loved SGU and the more character-oriented direction, I’m not blind to the fact that many people were turned off by the slower episodes in the first half. In fact I’ll go as far as to admit that if the series wasn’t attached to Stargate, chances are I wouldn’t have watched it until it got a season 3 greenlight due to the fact that for this very reason I avoid most Sci-fi shows until they’ve proven that they’ll be around long enough to make my investment worthwhile.

    I’m sad that we won’t see a season 3 now though because the show really was improving, characters were becoming more interesting and the plot was moving forward (I don’t know how anybody can say it wasn’t after the last few episodes). I sincerely hope that if there is a fourth Stargate series, whoever makes it tries to find a middle ground between the less serious nature of SG-1 and the more drama oriented nature of SGU. SGU focused TOO heavily on the drama at first.

    That being said, I’m pleased we even got a third series, I fully expected Atlantis to be the end of Stargate on TV and would have been okay with that as long as we got at least a non-cliffhanger ending.

  65. lopo30
    December 18, 2010 at 9:13 am |

    Join the Save SGU Facebook page


    whats the point of the petition ?
    didnt save atlantis why should it save sgu ?
    and btw all the people who will sign for that save sgu are not in US and dont have SYFY channel so there is no point cause raitings will fall like they did anyways…

    make a petition for ending the show without glifhanger …

    if they will make 4’th series in the future then they should make it with humor and adventure with the minimal drama

    most of what i want is to see sga will get a movie to deal with the wraith left overs cause they ended the show with the death to other galaxy…
    sg1 dont need movies but will be good if it get’s and sgu needs something to fix the ending cause it’s just stuped to end a series with glifhanger and then leave it like that

  66. tropolite
    December 18, 2010 at 10:09 am |

    I have to agree with the mid-season breaks griefing viewers out. This seems to be a relatively new concept and it hurts the storytelling arc.
    SGU’s first beginning began slowly which is fine if you have a full season to hook viewers. Admittedly I found it quite difficult coming back after S1 mid break, believing it to be filled with more stone transports that was the main thrust of the show at the time.

    As an example, even though I loved Battlestar Galactica and watched it from the miniseries, when season 4 was split in two parts I found it frustrating to keep track of the arc, only having to watch the season again when both parts came out on DVD.

    I did come back for Season 2 and will miss SGU, as it definitely did ramp up coming into S2, and yet again we are faced with a cliffhanger at the end of this season without closure – another pain in the A**. Something that LOST didn’t do and would like to see more of… closures rather than chops.
    Long live the SG franchise.

  67. Mentat
    December 18, 2010 at 10:28 am |

    So after 2 years of hype and denial of fan sensibilities it all comes down to a bad time slot? I think the real reason was covered in the second post and is worth repeating.

    “Sorry Darren. All just excuses for a show that wasnt the show we all fell in love with. No RDA, no heroes, no chemistry. As the old saying goes, you dance with what brung ya. They took a gamble and lost. yesman1701 | December 17 @ 5:29 pm”

    This wasn’t a science fiction show it was soap. The fans made it quite clear they didn’t want to go in this direction. TPTB paid the price.

  68. sgfan
    December 18, 2010 at 11:34 am |

    You need to re-read Darren’s article. He said these are 6 mitigating factors. They are not exclusively the only reason.

    “SGU had 30 episodes to prove itself to casual viewers and build a strong audience, and it didn’t. Ratings nearly always fall off from a series premiere; but Universe‘s ratings continued to erode from start to finish.”

    And I disagree with your assertions about it being a soap. It was a science fiction show. They just missed the mark and failed to appeal to a larger audience. You know it’s not easy to make show that succeeds in the market. I’m glad they didn’t just try to do a cookie cutter show based on past success. I think they did there best. The production quality was top notch. It wasn’t everyone’s cup of tea. Time to move on.

  69. lopo30
    December 18, 2010 at 12:16 pm |

    it’s titled as action adventure scient fiction
    from the 30 episode there was like 5 episode what actualy had 5min of action in it so that means it is a soap drama …

    what i want from scient fiction
    1. space battles or just space travel trek style stories
    2. new technology and the good/bad thing about it
    the list goes on just rite now am brain dead :D

    what i dont want is

    1. episodes of full of talking and what dont get you anywhere
    2. dont want it to be boring so i must skip or look away
    3. no sex

  70. syffyllys
    December 18, 2010 at 12:38 pm |

    I think people are mistaken to make the conclusion that because fans of SG1 and SGA who didn’t like SGU (and there were many) simply want them to bring SGA back, and it’s their fault SGU got canceled because they didn’t buy into SGU’s re-imagining of Stargate.

    I was looking forward to SGU. I would have been thrilled for a new series to take over from SG1 and SGA and continue the franchise in new and interesting ways, but the fact is, SGU didn’t do that.

    You can in no way consider SGU a continuation of SG1 and SGA because it took nearly all of what made them great, what made many fans love the series, and tossed it out like yesterday’s bathwater. This was bound to be a let down to people who fell in love with Stargate for what it had been, and it was. TPTB should have known this. What made it worse was the reaction from TPTB when fans who were expecting SGU to carry on from its predecessors. Instead they got something that completely side-stepped its history to try on some new clothes, and TPTB basically said “well f*** you if you don’t like it”. They forgot where they came from.

    I highly doubt that any Stargate fan is glad to see Stargate, at least for the foreseeable future, end on this note. Syfy’s treatment of SGU has been somewhat reprehensible, especially considering, it seems, the majority of SGU’s cast and crew had to learn they were not going to renew the show via Twitter and the internet.

    That, however, doesn’t change the fact that This (SGU) wasn’t That (SG1, SGA), and quite a number of the former fanbase for Stargate rejected SGU, not because it wasn’t specifically SGA, but because it was no longer Stargate.

  71. mikeyz
    December 18, 2010 at 2:20 pm |

    This really sucks. Syfy is stupid, and grossly mismanaged.

  72. retiredat44
    December 18, 2010 at 3:35 pm |

    Instead of an eloquent diatribe of how much the sci-fi “syfy” channel sucks… The actors were very good… they did their job, from what they had. Since I am older in my 50’s, maybe I am out of touch. I hate the wrestling, dancing with stars… and sitcoms.. I love sci-fi. I must be dumb, because I thought the SG franchise was paying a good portion of the bills for that network. I guess I was wrong. It is so sad that crap sells…

    I like Sanctuary, Eureka, Wherehouse 13. I am stuck with having to watch it on a channel that makes me angry.

    I just hope the actors don’t think they sunk the show. They did not. I wasn’t a huge fan of early episodes either, but I gave the show time to grow. I think it finally found it’s stride. Maybe in a couple years something good will come out of this. But the damage has been done.

  73. arnoldrimmer
    December 18, 2010 at 4:12 pm |

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  74. JeffRatcliff
    December 18, 2010 at 9:01 pm |

    “MGM owns Stargate and licenses it to Syfy — so Syfy doesn’t see a nickel from iTunes or Amazon or Hulu, or from DVDs or international distribution.”

    I don’t think the relationship is quite that simple. There was a 30 day waiting period between an episode being shown on TV and on Hulu. That policy, however suicidal, is likely to have been a Syfy mandate, not an MGM one.

    As you probably already have figured out, the problem with such a policy for an “arced” show is that if you miss one week’s episode on TV, there’s no legitimate way to catch up. Nobody is going to start watching a show once a month. So the result is that you either switch to illegitimate sources or stop watching all together.

  75. ictus75
    December 18, 2010 at 9:04 pm |

    The Tuesday night slot just didn’t work for SGU or Caprica. Also, the 4 month break in the middle of the season. They would be better off running 10 episodes, take a month of for the holidays, then run the next 10. For me, SGU was the best of the Stargate series. Too bad SYFY fumbled the ball on that one.

    So long SyFy, I won’t stick around for Sanctuary or other original shows because I don’t want to put up with Wrestling or cheaply made Ghosthunter shows…

  76. Disillusioned
    December 18, 2010 at 9:44 pm |

    Canceled for lack of wrestling. To be replaced with Battlestar Galactica Rok-em Sok-em Cylons!

  77. gamoses
    December 18, 2010 at 9:59 pm |

    GREAT article! And I totally agree that the primary problem here was scheduling. Hopefully Syfy will learn fromm these mistakes in the future. I only watched SGU and SGA out of loyalty to SG1, but it’ll be a major bummer to have no Stargate world around anymore.

  78. Joe Friday
    Joe Friday
    December 18, 2010 at 10:35 pm |

    I was surprised that SGU wasn’t canceled after it’s first lackluster season. Now that the experiment with turning Stargate into a “darker” drama has failed, can we get back to a more fun and entertaining version?

  79. emp.bob
    December 18, 2010 at 11:31 pm |

    While I admit, I haven’t been 100% riveted by SGU, I have enjoyed the show, and the Sci-Fi channel since before it came online. I have even kept cable TV, just for the Sci-Fi channel. Unfortunately, with the lack of quality Sci-Fi Programming, and the addition of WTF Wrestling, I’m starting to question why I have cable when 98% of what we DVR is available as OTA programming. I admit that I DVR the show, but I almost always watch it within 24 hours, I also tend to watch it live during the second showing (Why wait til the wife is awake to watch it the first time, when you can just watch it twice?) I truly hope a major network will consider buying the SG franchise from SyFy, and put the network out of their badly mis-managed misery, and give the fans a real show again. I feel for the actors who are going to be out of work due to Syfy’s incompetence. Sorry Guys…

  80. wganubis
    December 19, 2010 at 12:42 am |

    While I agree with your points, you dance around the cold fact that the script writing was for the most part subpar. Granted it had its moments but for the most part alot of the stuff really wasn’t believable, such as:

    Scott’s sudden dumping of his girl friend for Chloe, us learning that he’s a father and everyone seems fine with this (in short, his track record with women and sex isn’t the best). In the real world Scott would be labeled a lame sex hound and Chloe would have been labeled loose or something equally offensive.

    What’s worse, the audience was essentially strong armed to believe that Scott and Chloe’s relationship was genuine with repeated shots of the two typically in bed.

    Another example is the civilian mutiny that took place in the first season. This was equally unbelievable, both for the civilians reasoning (which came off as whiny individuals who just didn’t accept the situation and thought they could strong arm a trained military unit) and the fact that the ring leaders weren’t punished and continued to spread their decent, again without reprimand.

    Finally, in regards to season 1 at least we have Scott, Chloe and Eli all seem to have missed the boat only to conveniently still be in range when destiny’s engine suffered a problem. In short 3 of the main characters are saved but the tired clique of a dues ex machina event (or in this case, the machine god having an issue).

    Season two had similar problems. The season 2 start suggested that the two sides would have to work together (or at least would offer good canon fodder for future episodes as warm bodies fighting off an alien boarding action), instead all but 5 are abandoned on a remote planet and over the course of 5 episodes were see only seconds worth of the LA WALKING AROUND THE SHIP which culminates in the sudden murder of one of the LA officers by the hands of the other while the formers body was being occupied by one of the smartest people on earth.

    What made SG-1 so good was, just like it is with everything else, good writing. You can have an all star cast of the greatest actors ever to live but if the scriptwriting is terrible it’s going to impact the show negatively and it wont bring in the numbers it needs to keep going. If the franchise manages to survive this it needs to go back to the basics and look at what made SG1 so good.

  81. ngreen
    December 19, 2010 at 1:57 am |

    SGU was awful from start to finish with only a few good moments in between.

    A sappy melodrama in space, on a ship seeking evidence of intelligent design. One wonders how exactly you pitch an idea like that….

  82. squab
    December 19, 2010 at 4:03 am |

    Previous comments have been posted by SGU haters…i ask the question…hating on the franchises’ new show isn’t going to bring back SGA or SG-1 or help the movies. Obviously you are all fans after that, checking this website often enough to find this news and comment on it.

    And to all these haters, especially @wganubis, a sappy melodrama in space? Have you actually watched SG-1 or SGA? They virtually resolve around the concept of ‘true’ love between Carter and O’Neill, Shepphard and Ronon. These shows started out towards that point exactly, and may have wandered along the way, but nevertheless it was always visible. And also did you notice how these shows went from startto finish? Hammond’s hardass act at the start of SG-1 that turned to almost fatherly love for O’Neill. No senior officer would ever take that sort of insubordiniation in a top level facility, at least in SGU Young faces his problems realistically, and if you had ever come across problems such as this in real life, you would notice how in the end, not everything ends with a smile. Often it will end with a smile to that who caused you the problem but in the quiet you wonder about what will happen next time you meet. SGU portayed this well, much better than the ‘sappy’ melodrama on earth and atlantis in SGA and SG-1. And no matter what I have said I still love both of these shows. Just SGU portrayed humanity better.

    Such a shame about the show, much was just being revealed, problems were being resolved, control was gained…among other things.

  83. squab
    December 19, 2010 at 4:04 am |

    ***@ngreen not wganubis***

  84. lonix
    December 19, 2010 at 6:23 am |

    Funny, people are complaining about all the cheering about SGU over. The fact that so many are cheering about it means the show was that bad. The entire 1st season had about 2 good episodes and the rest were too slow and rubbish. Season 2 got better but still too slow and shameful endings with nothing to reward the fans. The episode and acting quality was great but it was the story of each episode which was rubbish. They wanted the show to be similar to B5? B5 was a very low budget and every year it was a question of “IF” it would get renewed. The fact it was a low budget sci fi probably saved it. As for SGU, the producers and writers got too arrogant with the show and they learnt the hard way that a simple name “stargate” will not save them. I remember reading an interview and they actually said Stargate could be as big as Star Trek if not bigger. Now if Stargate is gone, so be it, the time slots had nothing to do with it, a good show is watchable any time or date. The show SGU was bad and I was struggling to watch the episodes my self.

  85. lonix
    December 19, 2010 at 6:28 am |

    And if thats it for SG so be it, the people to blame are not the actors or even the station. Its the directors, producers and writers who gave us the core of this show and they let it down and us down.

  86. commorancy
    December 19, 2010 at 7:56 am |

    The main reason this show was cancelled wasn’t the timeslot, it wasn’t wrestling, it wasn’t that the show moved, it wasn’t even an extended story arc issue. After all, what story arc was there to miss? Simply, it was a lack of viewership (which we already knew). Why was there a lack of viewership? As other people have already pointed out, the writing.

    The writers have practically ignored Destiny up to this point. Other than dipping into the sun to fuel up, Destiny has been nothing more than an intergalactic taxi cab. The writers have been so caught up on the people riding in the cab that they forgot that this show is about Stargate and exploration. Yes, the gate is used periodically, but only as a tool to tell more human drama stories or the occasional monster-o-the-week episode.

    If there was a greater story arc at work here, the writers failed to reveal it. Seriously, we’re 1.5 seasons through a series and there is no story arc at work. Human drama, there’s a plethora. But, we don’t watch Stargate to see people having babies or watch simple squabbling between factions of people. Battles yes, squabbling no. The writers failed to make this series rise above the mundane and that’s why it lost viewership. If there was to be a bigger story arc here, the writers took far too long to reveal it.

    I admire the cast and crew for their fortitude, but someone needed to bring the producers and writers to their senses. Since that clearly didn’t happen, SyFy had to do it by cutting their losses. Perhaps the producers will have learned a valuable lesson with SGU (to the detriment of the fans), but perhaps not. Bottom line, with a series like Stargate, stories are everything and SGU writers failed to materialize stories that mattered to the viewers. This is why SGU failed to bring in viewership.

  87. eteasley
    December 19, 2010 at 9:09 am |

    Well this bites, but wasn’t unexpected. SGU was getting better and better and had some real promise but it is managed by SyFy, known and revered for its programming “prowess”…..NOT!

    I want to know from the powers that be at SyFy when did some guy chasing Hollywood memorabilia to turn a buck become SyFy, when did wrestling fall in the same vein along with all it’s variations of “Ghost Hunters”? After this show is gone, I’m done. Sanctuary comes on way to late on a Friday night and Eureka and Warehouse 13 I can catch up online.

    I knew they were heading down hill when they changed it from SciFi to SyFy, I will do everything I can do to run them down. I was just getting into the show.

  88. Ellen Dwayne
    Ellen Dwayne
    December 19, 2010 at 10:10 am |

    I think it is not normal to consider money more important than quality and value… but, what’s normal, now-a-days, anymore?
    Darren, thank you for this analysis… yes, mostly, we, the fans, are to blame for a decision like this…
    So, the solution is simple: people, those who really love this show and this franchise, use your TV-sets and watch the episodes to come! An increasing rating will make the SyFy Channel think twice about canceling it!
    From another point of view, it’s quite normal very many people to watch wrestling… because that much they are capable to understand!
    A show like SGU requires much more to be understood and appreciated…
    No offence meant for those who like both SGU and wrestling…
    As for SGU haters… are you sure you hate the show, or you hate the fact that very many human errors and bad sides of human nature, in which you probably recognize yourselves, are presented in this show?
    Think twice before answering…
    Violent actions, war, battles, unnecessary deaths, this is everything you want to see in a SF show? In this case, why don’t you watch war-movies? Or, better, why don’t you join the Army, to really feel and see what death means?
    You want only superheroes, successfully solving every situation? And is this because you like to believe you are like them, they make you forget your true nature?
    What about human feelings, like friendship, love, regrets, sorrows, a.s.o.? Are you sorry for your feelings? Are you sorry for being who you are?
    What about human errors and misunderstandings? What’s wrong with them?
    Why can’t our heroes be simple heroes, instead of superheroes?
    Think about this…
    As a conclusion, and I think I am not the only who thinks so, a very good show was doomed by some mean money-interests…
    I can’t describe how sad and disappointed I am…

  89. chappai
    December 19, 2010 at 11:50 am |

    I find it interesting that everyone wants to blame the network for scheduling and all the other items mentioned in the above opinion piece. But no one wants to really stick their neck out and talk about laying some of the blame on the producers and writers.

    At the 30 episode mark we have just only found the bridge!

    Good grief, could they have taken any longer to find out something significent about this ship?

    The week the bridge was revealed was my final make it or break it for this series. While there were some outstanding episodes it was not an automatic must watch show every week.

    I’m also growing tired of the continuing arguing between the Colonal Young and Rush. Good lord, knock it off and start working together to get these people home.

    This series never caught and held me in the way that SG-1 or Atlantis did. I can’t say the cancellation news surprises me, but laying all the blame at the feet of the channel and not the production staff is just ignorant.

    When something fails it is not just any one sides fault. The producers had their role in this as well. And its time that the fans recognized this.

    A lot of shows I enjoy have been cancelled, but I’ve been smart enough to see the signs ahead of time. And usually its not the networks alone. The writers and producers did something stupid. Call it JUMPING THE SHARK if you want, but they spent too much time on dull and boring stories and never gave us any real meat until now, and now its too late.

  90. wganubis
    December 19, 2010 at 1:10 pm |

    @ squab – I disagree with you in regards to the shows revolving around romantic relationships. In both shows these were treated as subtle plot devices that enriched the overall storyline and in some instances served as the characters primary reasons for their actions

    SG-1: The “romance” (as it didn’t become more than at best unrequited love due to the rule against fraternization with members of your unit and or lower in rank than you in the military, which is either true in the military or was used in the show to explain why Jack and Sam couldn’t act on their feelings) between O’Neill and Charter didn’t start to show definite signs until around season 3 in the episode 100 days when O’Neill was stranded on the planet which had the meteor shower that buried the stargate, after that episode their relationship was slowly shown more and more.

    Jack and Sams relationship was slowly and subtlety allowed to mature and develop in a realistic progression that went from initial meeting in the pilot episode (in which Carter was decidedly NOT Jack’s type due to being a scientist), development of friendship, later a bit more and eventually became obvious that both had feelings for each other as shown in the episode divide and conquer when both had to admit they had feelings for each other due to the tok’ra lie detector giving off a false positive.

    I should point out that at no point is there a shot of Charter and Jack in bed together and at best the closest thing they got to was 1. When Jack swept her off her feet in the episode Window of Opperatunity (When Jack was taking his “loop breaks” and resigned just long enough to do it) and in an episode in which Sam hallucinates kissing Jack due to a concussion. Both don’t count however as the first Jack would never have done under any other circumstances and Sam was seeing things in the other.

    Also in regards to Hammond, in an interview with Don S. Davis he said he was indeed in the military and had a superior that was exactly like the persona Hammond was to have, so he told the writers to change it or he would walk as he didn’t want to be “that guy” and so it was rapidly changed from a hard ass to a easy going guy over the first few episodes of the series (rewatch them closely if you don’t believe me or find the interview, I believe its somewhere on this site).

    SGA: Relationships in SGA seemed to have been even more subtle and, actually if I remember correctly, had Rodeny at the center most of the time (though these relationships were, at best, one shots). Granted Ronan, as revealed in the episode where he was on his home planet was married, you find out that she died in the initial wraith attack and served as character development. More or less, SGA and romantic relationships were significantly diminished and the show had more of a focus on the relationship between comrades in arms.

    Looking back, I would like to have seen a list of writers for all three shows in an chronological order as well as what those writers contributed to each script to see at what point the writing began to suffer. For an example, who thought having the Scott/Chloe romance start so soon was a good idea when in previous shows such things were kept subtle and allowed to grow.

  91. silurian
    December 19, 2010 at 2:14 pm |


  92. Jim
    December 19, 2010 at 3:23 pm |

    The writers and the producers of SGU are the same that created both SG-1 and SGA.
    All of complaints about the unbelievability of SGU come from people who worship at the altar of SG-1.And that show has made an art of deus ex machina solutions,unbeliavable plots and resolutions,as well as shallow characters and non existent character relations.
    The civilian mutiny on SGU came because that was the show questioning the aspect of the exsistence of a civilian society and the rule of law versus military regime..if Destiny was gonna be their home.And yes BSG already did that,but does that mean that after Galactica no other show can explore those issues anymore.I love BSG,but sometimes I get the feeling it has become the alpha and omega in sci-fi..the life and sci-fi goes on even after BSG..after all it was said there..all of it has happened and will happen again,lol!
    And Scott,Chloe..we all know these kind of things happen in real life,don’t pretend they don’t..so yes if SGU is unbeliavable,than SG-1 truly is a Wormhole Extreme,comparred to it!!
    That being said and after I’ve already said my piece about SyFy,wanting that network quick and painless death..it deserves that much for old times sake,I do admit that the first half of season 1 was too slow,because even if you choose more character driven,drama show..the drama should happen faster and more intense,isn’t that the point of the drama concept..opposite of slow and boring.That was the only,but big enough fault on producers side,that and stooping so low as to actually get involved in cocky arguments with fans over the net.Combined with an absurdly long hiatus after that(SyFy again)..it resulted in the mayor damage being done back then already.If that had been dealt with diferrently,much more of the old viewers would have stuck around and much more new ones would have joined the fandom,regardless of the old ones,discovering the world of Stargate.The show did get better and pick up the paste and I loved it.But the crutial mistake was made way back then,in the very beginning.The aweful missmanegement of SyFy and all of those other things just sealed the show’s faith..

  93. kimmyg
    December 19, 2010 at 4:32 pm |

    What I liked about SGU was the fact that it felt real, with people who aren’t perfect, who carry their failings into their jobs, who make mistakes and learn or try to from them. Hello … that’s drama and makes you think what would you do in that instance if you were that person.

    Science Fiction has long been a thinking person’s genre and well as action adventure … have you ever read any of the old pulp magazine stories or early sci-fi? If I wanted mindless drivel I could watch Scare Tactics or Ghost Hunters – what trash!

    to wganubis: James wasn’t Scott’s girl friend, they had recreational broom closet sex. Young & TJ had an affair … It’s real … this stuff happens at every business or military base.

    I originally thought this isn’t my Stargate after watching the pilot and wondered what the producers were trying to do with the franchise. But I maintained an open mind and it took me until I watched through to Justice several times to become hooked on SGU. You can see the complexities of story arch and character development. Col Young and Greer have become my favorite characters; not to mention love the “boys” (Volker, Brody & Park).

    I am heartily disappointed that SyFy has chosen to end the series. Its really starting to move now but you needed to see those first 10 eps of S1 to make what’s happening now really come home. Yes, I was disappointed that SGA ended somewhat abruptly, but that didn’t close me off to watching the next incarnation. Apparently, if you don’t move at hyper speed rather that FTL or have aliens or gate to X-world of the week; viewers disappear. I see that in impatience in business & college all the time ..

    Yeah I know about ratings and what they mean to the network; I work in the cable industry. I know about return on investment because I have to justify spending money all the time. But I also know you don’t stack the deck against your product (SGU & Caprica) by placing it against the absolute top rated shows (1 – 5) and hope it survives. Sheech people SyFy didn’t even bother to cross advertise it – NBC owns SyFy what would it have hurt to place ads on USA and NBC itself?

    My hope is once SGU producers return from vacation, they can line up another network or convince SyFy that they have a terrific product. Show them the last 10 eps, and see if that can get us at least another 10 eps into S3. I don’t want to see this end when I feel SGU can grow viewers given even half a chance and support.

    If it means they have to pare down the cast … I won’t like it but if SGU is kept on the air for less cost, I’ll still watch. But make it count for something, don’t waste a character; give them a good death. Rielly’s end was phenomenal for it’s impact on Young & Eli.

    Everyone has their ideas about what makes them watch any show … I challenge the naysayers to re-watch S1 beyond the 3 eps that seems common for their rants and look with new eyes and hear what is being said or sometimes what is implied. If you want to watch a video game bang bang shoot’em up go to your PS2.

    I’m not certain what’s more irritating .. the lack of support for a franchise we love or the close-mindedness of “if its not what I say it should be then let’s kill it”. Science fiction is better than that.

  94. wganubis
    December 19, 2010 at 4:47 pm |

    @Kimmys – While I dont doubt that happens, based on James later actions and interactions with Scott I think it would be safe that there was more there. Even if it wasnt and her feelings were one sided it still doesnt change my opinion that the Scott and Cloe romance skipped the whole courtship period and went straight to the bedroom for the audience. Again that also happens plenty of time but for a tv audience its pretty dull.

  95. zainea13
    December 19, 2010 at 5:13 pm |

  96. CmdrJake
    December 19, 2010 at 6:18 pm |

    Hey – Torchwood was picked up by STARZ? Perhaps they might launch a SciFi channel to compete – they certainly could do MUCH better. Not sure I would subscribe just to see Torchwood, but if they added SGU, I WOULD. After all, MGM owns it and they could move it anywhere they want. Hell, maybe even ABC might pick it up to go with ‘V’….

  97. voniak289
    December 19, 2010 at 7:27 pm |

    hey guys!! i hope that you visit this page so we can give support to the show!! we are also discussing ideas on how to maybe save it..



  98. candylyn
    December 19, 2010 at 7:27 pm |

    I repect your opinion however, if what you are saying is true all of Syfy’s shows should be in the same boat. Warehouse 13 and Sanctuary are still doing well and they have been bounced around.

    Moving the show to Tuesday was a bad idea but it was done for a reason; SGU was not pulling the promised numbers on Friday. It was not pulling late season numbers that SG1, SGA or BSG pulled. At the end of the day, this is a business and if they can not pull in the numbers the show will not make money.

    They did not even have critical acclaim to stand on, like Mad Men did. Only a small number of award nominations; not sure if the show won any of them.

    Other cross genre shows like The Walking Dead, action/horror/drama, were well recieved and well written. As much as I love the franchise I was truly disappointed in this show. So much potential, wasted.

  99. ZhaneEndrick
    December 19, 2010 at 7:28 pm |

    I’m one of those that was a huge critic of the show at first. After 10 episodes, I still hated it, but my wife wanted to keep watching it, so we did, online. As season 1 wrapped up, it began to draw me in. I began to see these amazing story threads pulling together. By the time the season was over, I was convinced.
    My wife and I upgraded our cable package so that we could watch season 2 live. We’ve loved it.
    I hated it at first, but now, I’m very upset to see it go. I realize that most haters were upset about the fact that SGU was such a departure from the other shows, but let’s be honest here people: seasons 4 and 5 of Atlantis were an embarrassment. They were an insult to fans. SGU took the franchise in a creative new direction. It had serious flaws that made me hate it at first, but it had such amazing potential, and really started to deliver. It’s truly a sad loss.

  100. rsharpe
    December 19, 2010 at 7:53 pm |

    From Slashdot:

    “When SGU started I don’t think people knew what to expect. The premise of being stuck on a ship traveling the universe, with no control drew comparisons between the original series, Atlantis, BSG and Sliders, with the latter being the most accurate. From the first episode, the show has not been entertaining and there is something to be said for the acting.”

    [snip – visit the original site for the full piece]

    “I’m kind of tired of every episode ending with a near 3 minute music video, once again showing everyone being depressed and feeling hopeless. These are the type of things that should be shown and developed on the show, not implied through sad faces and bad music. Even when the show seems like it could be interesting such as Young leaving Rush on a planet, the show never comes back to it’s just forgotten. It seems the show is trying far to hard to be serious and forgetting it’s roots. It has sacrificed the character dynamics and sense of adventure that contributed to the previous series successes and replaced them with failed attempts to be dramatic and suspenseful. It’s only in it’s second season so it may yet get better, but at present there is a good reason it only has half a million viewers while airing on Tuesdays.”

  101. FC360
    December 19, 2010 at 8:25 pm |

    I stopped watching SGU after Season 1. The entire Season 1 was really boring to me and nothing like SG1 or SGA which is why I stopped watching it. The biggest issue I had is the complete difference between Daniel, O’Neill and Carter in SGU episodes they were in and what they were like in SG1 and SGA. In SGU they act nothing like they did in SG1 or SGA. I hope this leads them to making a direct to DVD film now like they said they would.

  102. lmaceleighton
    December 19, 2010 at 8:52 pm |

    It is truly a loss for the the Sci-fi world. What a great and brave show, that was not afraid to leave the old square jawed heroes behind. Don’t get me wrong I love that sort of thing(used to more), but after so many years of Trek, and SG-1/SGA people really want somthing different, as we have seen things like this thousands of times over now…unless you like you TV to be predictable.

    And who was the person who said “no sex” in their sci-fi!!!??? You must be like 15 right? In case you didn’t notice Capt’ Kirk has been “Getting IT” since before I was born, sheeesh! Maybe not so in your face, but thi is supposed to be heavy, and not for kids too like SG-1/SGA and the old Trek was also for, it was for a broad audience.

    There was nothing wrong with this show except that they put it on Sci-Fi Channel, or what ever they call themselves. They should have put it on right after “V” or somthing where there exist an audience for sci-fi with attitude that is without conformity….we don’t need another formulaic Star Trek. Perhaps a real network will pick it up. But Like I had said it many post, when SGU dies so will Stargate, guess there goes those SG-1 and SGA movies.

  103. caelestes
    December 19, 2010 at 9:11 pm |

    lmaceleighton, wasting the first half of season 1 on pornography was a huge factor in the death of this show. It was almost season 2 before they started to get any kind of plot going. 15 year olds are the ones who are obsessed with sex. Those who have actually matured into adulthood are not focusing their lives on objectifying women as sex objects, but treat them with dignity. Very few adults in this day and age. Those who supported the pornography in season 1, which included the owner of this site and, are guilty of running SGU into the ground. Rather than condemning and censoring those who complained and wished to get the franchise back into order, people at Gateworld should have been working to save SGU. Many of us saw it coming, but we got spit on instead of being listened to.

  104. caelestes
    December 19, 2010 at 9:20 pm |

    Forgot to include with my last post. I thought season 2 was a large improvement over season 1, and would have expected that to continue for season 3. But the damage was done.

  105. matty
    December 19, 2010 at 10:34 pm |

    HI. I think there was a 7th reason.
    joseph malozzi telling them it was a 5 season story.

    I think if he had instead said 3 year story, there would be a slightly better chance of renewal.
    That’s just my two cents.

  106. Browncoat1984
    December 20, 2010 at 1:25 am |

    But he also said that they could finish it in 1 year if they had to, thus giving them the hint “hey guys, if you’re gonna end it give us one more year to finish it and finish it with some dignity.”

  107. bxtr4evr
    December 20, 2010 at 1:54 am |

    I couldn’t stand the tension w/ no comic relief. Yes, Eli was cute and very funny, he was the only one who had a good out look. I also didn’t like the fact that the poor boy liked Chloe, but she only viewed him as a “little brother.” And last but not least I didn’t like all the sexual intercourse. SGU is not a family friendly show. SG1 and Atlantis were great to watch with the family. SGU was just something that could not match the 1st two shows. It’s such a far cry… I’m actually glad that it didn’t last very long, just sad that it lasted as long as it did. Sorry SGU fans.

  108. Cay
    December 20, 2010 at 2:09 am |

    We are working on a formal way of showing our support for SGU. I think the show had great potential. Until a more “legitimate” site arrises, we are talking on facebook at:


    Thus far a few good campaign ideas have arose but we need more input/knowledge/support before we start anything “official”

    So help us help SGU. Wether it is a new network or convincing Syfy to change their mind, lets try to get some support.



  109. lmaceleighton
    December 20, 2010 at 3:54 am |

    You really saw that as Porn? I think you might be being a bit over the top with that description, although it was a bit out of context for what you normally see on TV, however this is what I got from stuff like that: I saw the writers trying to make “Real Character”, and “Real situation”, as much as you can in such settings. Making sure that the characters were not only flawed, but Deeply flawed, much like how Rodney McKay was. McKay was a Jerk, but then he grew. So it seems like with other characters like Rodney is what they were trying to do with a lot of the gritty nature of the show, and the sexual contact, however brief and unrevealing.

    SciFy Channel was the major reason this show didn’t make it. I’ve talked to hundreds of fans outside of Gateworld, and you wouldn’t believe how many didn’t even know another Stargate show was made. Because they started showing things like wrestling on Sci-Fi people stopped going there and totally miss the SGU advertising. If Sci-Fi would have tried to market it other than just on their own channel it would have done better, SG-1 and Atlantis used to have regular advertising spots on USA, as well as another or two that slips my mind(all owned by Sci-fi’s parent company I am sure).
    Also a show that isn’t as episodic as SG-1/SGA doesn’t work with this sort of scheduling, but they gave no care to the storytelling style. I watched all the episodes again over the last couple of days, and it is WAY more entertaining to watch that way, or at least not so spread out. You CANNOT compare this show to Eureka, and Warehouse 13, their shows can stand on their own as long as you know the Characters, if you missed SGU the next episode wouldn’t necessarily work well.

    Honestly we could all go on with all our points on why we think this show failed, or why it was so good, or even why you hated it. Your entitled to your own opinion, but would you ALL like to have Stargate, I mean SG-1 Style? Even the people that like SGU( I know I’m one)would still like to have “the band” back together. We really should support the sites like the ones above and make them bring it back so we can eventually get SG-1 back. No one will bite for something with the Stargate name on it if we don’t.

  110. Pioneering
    December 20, 2010 at 4:32 am |

    To TPTB: Thanks for 3 great shows.
    I have but one question: What now?

  111. Jessie1000
    December 20, 2010 at 6:57 am |

    The reason why SGA and SG1 were big SciFi hits were that they WERE NOT BASED AROUND SEX,, when we first heard about SGU, its story line and the type of characters it was to have, It didnt go across very well as the reason why things like SGA and SG1 were a success is its Lack of sex in the story line. We all warned the producers in the previous threads of the show that we dont want a tiny bopper show and making it worse is the vivid homosexual and hetrosexual sex scenes which only went to repel a lot of viewers,,,, although we are now forced to openly accept different sexual values this doesn’t mean that privately it is tolerated and certainly doesn’t mean that ppl are going to watch a show with it in. Go back to the wonderfully written shows of the original Stargates Atlantis and SG1 where your imaginations are tickled and broadened with fantastically imaginative characters and adventures of a class of ppl that we can only wish to aspire to and imagine we are, we are not interested in watching women having sex with women and men with men nor are we interested in scenes with men and women, this isnt what most of us want in our scifi, we want to escape the daily drudge and imagine our selves in the types of places that SGA and SG1 gave to us with the types of villians that the shows were battling, the characters of both villains and heroes were brilliant and very comical, with a great balance of humour, romantic attraction and heartbreak.

    So those of u writers that cant think of things above the waste lines,, go write for the cruddy tabloids and leave the good writers to the shows that will make you ppl a lot of money and bring you the types of ratings that SG1 and SGA gave to you with good clean family viewing and a wonderfully brilliant cast of actors and story lines!

  112. psw
    December 20, 2010 at 7:50 am |

    Braingate/Squall, the Syfy forum moderator, wrote something interesting:


    “SGU started off to slow. The episodes were slower paced and focused on character drama. We ran a min by min ratings report on the Season 2 premiere, and found out everytime the scene cut to TJ on the planet the episode lost viewers.

    We also took the DVR numbers for “Life”, and it seemed a lot of people who played via DVR did not even finish watching the episode. So yeah, there are more detailed ratings out there that the fans don’t see but the network does.”

    So I think that proves, that one big reason for SGU’s failure are the soapy storylines!

  113. psw
    December 20, 2010 at 8:11 am |

    @ lmaceleighton

    “SciFy Channel was the major reason this show didn’t make it.”

    The channel TEN from Australia cancelled SGU after three weeks because of low ratings. The Universal Channel in Romania stopped showing SGU after a few episodes, too. The ratings also tanked in the UK and Germany. The UK showed SGU on Sky 1 and Germany on RTL2. So do you want to blame all those channels for low ratings, too?

    Even the ratings on the Space channel in Canada, which are praised all the time on this site, went down. The premiere got 565,000 viewers. The season 1 average was slightly over 400,000 viewers. And recently Mallozzi wrote about season 2 ratings, that they were getting 350,000 viewers. So there is even in Canada a downward trend.

    All this shows, that the US Syfy channel isn’t the problem. A lot of people simply didn’t like SGU and stopped watching it.

  114. jonnyb57
    December 20, 2010 at 10:54 am |

    It’s okay!! I’ve just heard about SyFy’s new two shows that continue the franchise! The first is Stargate Eureka, which follows the quirky adventures of a small-town sherrif and his daughter after the accidentally drive into the Cheyenne mountain complex during a storm. The Sherrif uses his homespun wisdom to solve all of the SGC’s problems, despite the fact that everyone else there’s a graduate from MIT and Caltech. Much hilarity ensues.
    The second is Stargate 13. Two mismatched secret service agents are called to the SGC to work in the special secret Stargate warehouse, retrieving Stargate related artefacts, using their quirky homespun wisdom. Much hilarity ensues.

  115. TJ
    December 20, 2010 at 11:00 am |

    You can try to blame all the so called mitigating factors you like, but as others have said, they simply dont hold water. And maybe that’s part of the problem, maybe if the producers got over themselves long enough to stop blaming everyone but themselves, things might have been different. As has been said by others with the guts to tell the brutal truth, ‘ego & vanity’ are what ultimately killed SGU.

    Other shows have survived with long mid-season breaks, had great ratings only 1 week before or after SGU in the same time slot and survived up against network shows. SyFy advertised it like crazy at the start and threw a MASSIVE budget at it, far greater then it’s predacessors. It did no good. It was simply unappealing to a mass audience based on it’s OWN merits.

    I dont think it being different to the previous SG incarnations was a bad thing at all. Shows change and evolve, it keeps the story fresh. If a show is good, it will bring in a new audience & create new fans, as shows like BSG have proved. What matters, as with ANY show, is how well the show is made.

    You can blame ‘bitter SGA’ fans, but TPTB alienated them from the very start and are now eating their words from those early interviews. Remember how often the phrase ‘if you dont like it, dont watch’ was uttered? Well they got what they asked for. And no amount of carrot & stick tactics with the ‘watch SGU, or you dont get SG1/SGA movies’ would have helped that. No one with half an ounce of sense every believed they would happen. SGA was cancelled to make way for SGU, so it was obvious the producers were done with SGA.

    SGU’s story structure and serial nature took a make or break risk with the fact that casual viewers would be hard pressed to join the show mid-season. The producers believed they could make it a success and once they were on that road, there was no turning back. Add that to the dull & slow story telling, which did improve at times… but it was too late, first impressions are what count.

    So GW & the producers can blame the old fans, the network, the long season break, the weather and the fact mercury was in venus and another other poor excuse they like, but the simple truth is SGU’s failed because it was a poor product.

  116. jonnyb57
    December 20, 2010 at 11:52 am |

    3 reasons SGU failed:

    1. SyFy can’t schedule for toffee.
    2. Whilst they can’t be blamed for the entirity of SGU’s problem by any stretch of the imagination, there was an element from some SG fans of cutting off their noses to spite their faces – i.e. it wasn’t “their” Stargate so they weren’t going to even give it a try. Many did watch and hated it. Many watched and liked it. But maybe if some who didn’t even give it a try had done so, they might have liked it and (tiny difference that it might be) it may have tipped the balance.
    3. SGU tried to be too cerebral and failed. As a result, it came over as very dull in places and the characters, whilst realistic and multi-faceted, weren’t engaging enough. The plotting needed to be faster and whilst there was a lot of character development, the actual plot arcs didn’t really get going until well into season 2, by which time all was lost anyway.

    Overall, SGU was a great idea poorly handled all round. Neither network, writers/producers nor, yes, fans can escape at least a portion of the blame.

  117. ppos
    December 20, 2010 at 12:34 pm |

    I am trying to figure out how is this wrestling’s fault someone one has to pay the bills, someone has to earn syfy money so that they can invest in other shows and sorry to burst the bubble for some of the commenters on here but SGU wasn’t the show bringing in the cash.

    What caused SGU cancellation SGU did, if viewers wanted to watch this show they would have found it on tuesday’s night on the second showing of the move, every cable company has a guide. The +7 dvr numbers were decreasing so it wasn’t that people were time shifting and please stop with the everyone is watching online because that can be said for every show on syfy. Besides if I am not mistaken Eureka started on friday’s and moved to tuesday’s and kept their viewers.

    Regardless of how much you loved SGU there just wasn’t that much love out there from other viewers, call them too dumb to enjoy the show if it makes you feel better but the reality is that everyone likes what they like or don’t.

  118. psw
    December 20, 2010 at 1:24 pm |

    “Air, Part 3” was SGU’s best episode ratings wise. It got 2.447 million viewers live + SD and 3 million viewers live + 7. So tons of people gave it a chance. SGU simply couldn’t retain a lot of them.

  119. Janus23
    December 20, 2010 at 2:25 pm |

    I don’t understand why we have to wait 4 months for the second mid season when the serie was cancelled!!! They would have to pass the second mid season in January, but they do what they want! I hate syfy channel!

  120. US06154
    December 20, 2010 at 2:26 pm |

    @jonnyb57: “there was an element from some SG fans of cutting off their noses to spite their faces – i.e. it wasn’t “their” Stargate ”

    But We were told not to watch it by Mr Wright. His exact words were, “If you don’t like it, then don’t watch it”, and went on to say “This is not you Father’s Stargate”, and then “You guys are actually pretty predictable (take no offense, most fan groups are). Unfortunately, you represent a very small portion of the actual viewing audience we need for financial success”. So what you are saying is he actually *wanted* us to watch it??? Wow, my wife can pass better hints at what she wants, when she wants me go through the “Honey-do” list.

  121. Emily
    December 20, 2010 at 4:27 pm |

    Is the midseason break really a nail in the coffin. I recall celebration when it was announced that would have these breaks. That way, season to season breaks are not as long.

  122. Jago77
    December 20, 2010 at 5:36 pm |

    I will post a longer message soon…
    But for now…I just want to see how many people
    agrees with me.

    I remember when gateworld did a interview with
    Brad Wright ; he said that MGM, the SCI FI
    channel & himself agreed that the best way
    to move foward with the SG franchise was to
    end SG-A at 5 seasons
    & to launch a new SG show called SG-Universe

    He should have insisted on getting the deals
    & money for SG Revolution & SG Extinction
    Brad Wright, the SCI FI channel & MGM should have played it very, very safe.
    (to protect the SG franchise & to keep
    the SG/SCI FI channel fans/viewers)
    Both the SG-1 & SG-A sets were still up & both of the movies scripts were already written.

    Now…How many people agrees with me…?

  123. Jago77
    December 20, 2010 at 6:08 pm |

    Really great article Darren.Thanks for the great
    SG website. =)
    SG-Universe will be missed.
    Thanks to all of the actors/writers/producers,
    i wish you all the best in all of your future projects.

    I love slow pace or fast pace SG episodes.
    I love SG-Universe & a lot of people to, but with all of the factors that Darren mention &
    others…(in my Teal’c voice, with Sadness ‘This is a very sad day indeed) =(

  124. Parkie
    December 20, 2010 at 7:20 pm |

    I am truly disgusted with the abysmally short sighted decision of SyFy to cancel Stargate Universe after only two seasons.

    How come a fine show such as this is cancelled when a “sci-fi light” kids show like Sanctuary is renewed? I actually have a bit of a soft spot for Sanctuary, having visited its production in the webisode days, but truth be told – it doesn’t hold a candle to the quality of SGU and is, in my opinion, far more worthy of cancellation than a show of SGUs calibre.

    I truly mourn the passing of “Adult” sci-fi based solely on the inaccurate and biased Nielsen Rating System. Are we going to have to resign ourselves to a diet of bland, ineffectual programming which satisfies the limited palette of the 0.02183% of the total American television households who are in the sample group? Yes – that’s right… your TV show lives or dies based on the viewing habits of 0.02183% of the American TV viewing households, with no reference to the global market share these shows may garner.

    It has now come to the point where I am loathe to watch a new series on Sy-Fy in case I become too attached, only for it to be cancelled before it has gained momentum. I now have to wait for a series to have at least 3 seasons under it’s belt and then go out and buy the DVD box sets… as a result the effect of the rating system is driving me, and others like me, away from commercial television and so depriving the advertisers of the audience the Nielsen system is supposed to reflect.

    I work in the Television Industry in the UK, yet I find it increasingly difficult to muster any enthusiasm for the current crop of broadcast shows – from here or across the pond. I may as well stop paying my Television Licence and purchase a large screen monitor to watch my DVD box sets on, such is the increasing dearth of quality programming. I sometimes wish I’d been born an accountant rather than a creative – at least then it might not hurt so much to see the death of intelligent, adult programming, full of high production values and fine performances, while “lowest-common-denominator” television rises to the fore.

    I would write to the decision makers at Sy-Fi to air my grievances but I know from bitter experience that the “bean counters” seldom listen to the voice of the public they are supposed to be producing for.

    I truly despair.

  125. Laiam
    December 20, 2010 at 8:23 pm |

    Shame… however I was never really interested “syfy” ruined science fiction for me when they messed with stargate atlantis. All the factors listed played a roll in its decline. Die hards hated it, or couldn’t get to the tuesday night viewing. newbies got lost with the huge break and syfy sucks.

  126. Laiam
    December 20, 2010 at 8:46 pm |

    And who was the person who said “no sex” in their sci-fi!!!??? You must be like 15 right? In case you didn’t notice Capt’ Kirk has been “Getting IT” since before I was born, sheeesh! Maybe not so in your face, but thi is supposed to be heavy, and not for kids too like SG-1/SGA and the old Trek was also for, it was for a broad audience.

    So… just because some fans prefer to have a family safe science-fiction show. means their 15 years old? Seriously 15 year olds are the ones who are most for this kind of explicit programing. I recently re-watched all of star trek and no Capt. Kirk was not Getting-It-On. TOS never once showed “The Good Captain” “Getting IT”.

    “..SG-1/SGA and the old Trek was also for, it was for a broad audience.”

    Perhaps that was its single greatest failing. The show specialized in the first season for a certain kind of audience that simply didn’t exist. The 15 yr olds and the immature kind.

    Your comments describe you very well as an immature 15 year old among adults attempting to sound grown up.


  127. Digitalzig
    December 20, 2010 at 8:50 pm |

    Moving stargate to tuesday is one big ratings killer. I think a great way to fix things would be to have them start working on the first have of season 3. Move Stargate to a better night. I think even if you can’t move it back to friday thursday or sunday would be better. See how the second half of season 2 does on a better night and if you still want to cancel Stargate Universe after you see how the rest of season 2 does then have them do a proper ending on the second have of season 3.

  128. Digitalzig
    December 20, 2010 at 8:53 pm |

    Also if they don’t change their minds we should boycott SyFy Channel

  129. rsharpe
    December 21, 2010 at 1:17 am |

    To Jago77: I agree wholeheartedly with you.

  130. dark star
    dark star
    December 21, 2010 at 2:22 am |

    There is one more GOOD reason why the show canceled. . .(Wright & Cooper will always RAWK i my book, but….) SGU was dead boring. Universe was to Stargate what ENTERPRISE was to Star Trek – It coulda been done much much better.

  131. psw
    December 21, 2010 at 8:45 am |

    @ Parkie

    I think Sanctuary isn’t renewed (yet), but there are negotiations for a 4th season going on. Sanctuary had by the way clearly better ratings than SGU. It got most of the times more than 1.4 million viewers live + SD.

  132. mistergroenevingers
    December 21, 2010 at 10:13 am |

    The short short version of 6 reasons why SGU got cancelled…

    1. SyFy sucks.
    2. SyFy sucks.
    3. SyFy sucks.
    4. SyFy sucks.
    5. SyFy sucks.
    6. Not enough viewers liked the show.

  133. MichA
    December 21, 2010 at 12:49 pm |

    I was a little skeptical of SGU at first, but I stuck with it because the franchise is great, and I have to say I started to really get into it. There was some great storytelling left to be done here, and the actors were really good. Given a little more time, and less need for instant gratification on the part of both execs and fans, this show could’ve completely revived the entire franchise and possibly brought movies that made it to the big screen.

    I think it’s time for someone to start a production and distribution company that lets fans watch some shows free on the internet, then lets them download others for a small fee. That way people can get a taste of a new show at their convenience, watch a few free episodes to get into it, then start downloading for a small fee and maybe a bit of advertising exposure. I think real fans of science fiction get their episodes via the internet. I’m not even all that tech-savvy and that’s how I watch. It’s a new era, people. Wake up and stop missing the boat. And the sales.

  134. MichA
    December 21, 2010 at 1:07 pm |

    Also, I don’t understand this push to get SG-1 back. Really? I mean, I LOVED that show. Loved Richard Dean Anderson. But let’s face it–the actors are getting older and would probably like to do something else with their lives for a while. I want some movies, but I don’t expect Stargate to go back to the SG-1 plotline or even to its style. And I don’t necessarily expect all the actors to play big roles. (except David Hewlett–he’d have to come back)

    This is a franchise that could have movies that pull from actors and storylines the various series without a problem. Purist fans would probably gnash their teeth and scream bloody murder at such a suggestion, but it could be done, and done well, with the right director and a good set of writers. There’s a lot of potential still here if someone were willing to just survey the territory, think about what made the most sense in terms of storytelling, and stop chasing useless marketing data. If you craft a good product, people will come.

  135. iratecaller666
    December 21, 2010 at 1:26 pm |

    SGU’s failure, in my opinion was due to the fact that the pilot wasn’t screened to mature stargate fans. You know, the fans that have money, not the teens that can’t decide on buying bread, cable bill, or a stargate dvd.

    If the pilot was screened properly, then SGU would have seen a complete re-write before airing.

    The lesson learned in this expensive mistake called SGU, is that you can’t change an Sci-Fi, Action-Adventure brand like Stargate into something that fans can’t recognize.

    I hope this is a lesson learned to producers, directors, executives and writters that you can’t change a brand without proper market research.

    Just because some producer says something will work, doesn’t mean that it will.

    Please, next time, use a focus group of brand fans, and one of non-fans. Make sure that the existing fans like your changes, and THEN see if the non-fans will be reeled-in by your new changes.

  136. c800957276
    December 21, 2010 at 2:15 pm |

    I started watching SGU without any background Stargate wise. I had never seen or read anything about SG1 or SGA, and to be honest, SGU was my first actual attempt at watching Science fiction on TV. I really liked the show at once, but was very lost on the mythology, so after season 1 wrapped up, I got a hold of all of SG1 and watched it, sometimes 4 episodes a night. Then I moved on to SGA (Still working on this one). Here are my thoughts:
    -SG1 is a fun show to watch, but the writing is very poor, although the actors are good. The stories and villains are silly at times. However, I really liked it and was disappointed to learn that it was cancelled after season 10;
    SGA – Much better show, great actors, better writing. The Wraith make the Goa’uld seem like a halloween costume party. The props and FX are a step forward from SG1. Agains, cancelled after 5 seasons?
    SGU – The best of the three. Acting is superb, actors are great, stories are complex, filmaking is delightful, FX are excellent.. so why the heck did it get only 2 seasons?
    I think I am as unbiased as it gets. I was never a fan of SGU’s predecesors, but liked watching them. I liked SGU and watched the other franchises to understand the mythology.
    Hope the next steps in the franchise include a SGU movie, and what about “Stargate:Ancients”?

  137. kumtrya
    December 21, 2010 at 10:36 pm |

    Well written article. Although, I will say this isn’t the first time a great TV show failed to attract audiences for live viewership. I’m thinking Firefly, S.P.A.C.E. Above and Beyond, Arrested Development, and the list continues (those were all on Fox, funny). In other words, sometimes it really is the network screwing up.

    Most who watched from beginning to now would agree that the show is really developing a strong identity. I don’t think I’ve been as moved by a Stargate show since the Heroes 2 parter of SG-1. Malice was amazing! Anyways, it’s a very sad day as I really think this show had a a lot left to offer.

  138. mistergroenevingers
    December 21, 2010 at 10:59 pm |

    The Goa’uld where far more awesome than the wraith could ever hope to become.

  139. Bofur
    December 22, 2010 at 12:29 am |

    While I was a good fan of SGU, I was not surprised to find out that it had been canceled. Unhappy, but not surprised. Ratings are what they are. I just hope that the show does not end with a cliffhanger.
    If it does end with a cliffhanger, I do hope that a movie is in the works to finish off the series.

  140. barcs
    December 22, 2010 at 2:35 am |

    Let’s be realistic here. The only reason the show was canceled was because it was terrible. 2 seasons and the plot went absolutely nowhere. I’ve been a dedicated Stargate fan since the beginning. SG1 and Atlantis are 2 of my favorite shows of all time, but SGU does not come close. Most of the important plot lines were based on drama that could take place in Nebraska. The “sci-fi” aspect of the show was gone. No aliens, no crazy technology to decifer. I originally was going to quit at the end of season 1, but I decided to give it a second chance and see if the plot actually went somewhere, but I was wrong. I stopped watching 4 or 5 episodes into season 2. Any other sci-fi fan did the same, because it just wasn’t a science fiction show.

  141. barcs
    December 22, 2010 at 2:40 am |

    I was also very disappointed when I found out Atlantis was canceled. That show was simply amazing. The characters all had great chemistry. They should really bring Atlantis back. People will watch as long as you don’t turn it into Atlantis Hills 90210.

  142. Why SGU failed « The Tally Ho
    December 22, 2010 at 4:47 am |

    […] Gateworld, arguably the most famous and popular Stargate related website, put the blame on screening schedule and network agendas. While I do agree with many of the authors voiced opinion, I want to put the focus on the show itself, and not the politics involved. As with a airplanes crashes, almost never are there one reason why the crash happened. There can be plenty, human error and technical error happening at the same time. […]

  143. Atlantimus
    December 22, 2010 at 8:49 am |

    All I can say is that I hope the second half of season2 gets stroneger than the first and we at least are given a concluding feature length movie to tie it up somewhere along the line. Otherwise I beg them to give it one final season.

  144. Atlantimus
    December 22, 2010 at 8:52 am |

    Also if I remember right it has been 14 years since SG-1 came about. I was 14 back then. I have grown up since and yes, we all like a show for one reason or another but it is also refreshing to see a series grow up with its audience. We are all adults now and so why not try a new direction? Ithink they deserve credit for taking the risk even if the initial execution was poor.

  145. cobber123
    December 22, 2010 at 9:10 am |

    Excuse/Reason no 6 is the only one that makes sense to me. SGU being cancelled is neither a surprise nor a disappointment. What is disappointing is that the writers never managed to give some of the fine actors they talked into doing it, a story that would have become worth watching.

    I respect what Wright and Mallozi have done with the Stargate franchise but the odd episode aside they have never really developed a serious slow-moving story arc. Their forte is not character-driven stories.

    Exposing Stargate fans to the pilot could have told them something it has taken them 2 seasons to work out. It had a horrible set of characters, it really wasn’t very interesting and you take a very serious gamble if you don’t bring at least some good portion of that fanbase with you.

  146. Nomdepluman
    December 22, 2010 at 11:53 am |

    SGU was a bit more cerebral than other SG offerings so I can understand why some folks might not care for it…backhand slight intended.

    -begin rant

    If that sounds unkind, your ears are well maintained. There is no need to pull punches with the people who constantly snarked this show because it didn’t fit in with their preconception of what an SG franchise should be. Sci-Fi is justly relegated to the juvenile demographics by programmers because it largely IS juvenile.

    Sci-fi isn’t supposed to be a limiting label. Its a description of the setting only. That means that like Asimov, it could be a noir detective story that just happens to be set in a sci-fi environment, or for you Whedon fans, like Firefly it could be a Western set in a spaceship. The promiscuous crossing of genre bounderies is to me what makes a show interesting. SGU was a drama. Yes it took place in space, but that was just the setting and a necessary one in order to create the fusional conflict that was really the centerpiece of the show.

    You want to know what this show was about and why so many of you don’t get it? Stones. You wanted enemies. You wanted it to be a clear deliniation of bad people vs good people so you could pick who to root for and thats why in Season 2 the writers gave you a little something to latch on to. It was all just a diversion from the real enemy. Stones.

    Here’s the pitch.

    Take a cast of plausible non-heroes and stick them in an implausible place. Instead of allowing them to start life anew in their new insular little world, free to establish new roots and become new, more adaptively heroic people…tether them to their past.

    Did SGU do as good a job of it as it could have? Hell no. Is a big reason for that because of the writers response to the non-stop whining from you whiney babies demanding to be bottle fed your luke warm formulaic Shounen fantasies in SG format? You bet.

    end rant

    – One additional reason I think the show failed.
    They blocked it online. That was insane. I never watch TV on TV. Load it up with as many adds as you want, I will still prefer to watch it when I want to watch it and not when the network deigns to show it.

  147. Sylvia
    December 22, 2010 at 1:44 pm |

    I don’t think there was any one thing or even several major things that led to the cancellation. It was like Death by a Thousand Cuts – I have read so many different reasons why people didn’t watch, they all added up to not enough.
    If you put together all the people who didn’t watch live because:
    1. Mad at TPTB for canceling SGA and would never watch anyway
    2. Didn’t like the characterization of women or minorities
    3. Mad because TPTB supposedly insulted them
    4. Didn’t like the characters because they were not heroic or “good” people
    5. Thought the story was slow
    6. Didn’t like the lesbians
    7. Didn’t like the sex
    8. Didn’t like the shaky cam
    9. Didn’t think there was “eye candy”
    10. Only watch shows where you can “slash” the male leads
    11. Didn’t think there were enough space battles or aliens
    12. Thought the “mission” was too esoteric
    13. Couldn’t watch on Tuesdays
    14. Wasn’t enough advertising of the change of days or of the show itself
    15. People are in a depressed state in RL and want to see uplifting, escapist shows
    16. The show has Canadian sensibilities, not American ones
    17. The first season took too long to get the plot and action established
    18. No real villain
    19. Chloe
    20. Some of the actors didn’t quite work
    21. Interviews with the cast gave the impression they didn’t always understand sci-fi and its’ audience
    22. Not casual viewer friendly and many people don’t like sci-fi anyways
    23. Not episodic, you would get lost if you didn’t watch each one and then Hulu wouldn’t let you catch up any more with the 30 day delay
    24. Bad writing, these writers weren’t up to this kind of drama
    25 – DVR, torrents, modern tech savvy fans.
    26. and so on and so on

    These are all reasons I have seen. And there are more. Each person that stopped watching for one of them contributed to the demise of the show.

  148. mistergroenevingers
    December 22, 2010 at 3:29 pm |

    Good list Sylvia.
    You left out some important ones though.
    27 – From the first episode the show didn’t seem to fit into the overall Stargate saga.
    28 – The Stargate fanbase is huge worldwide but most of the fanbase doesn’t even have access to live tv broadcasts of the show.

  149. Sylvia
    December 22, 2010 at 3:33 pm |

    I just read another one:
    29. Some were upset with the portrayal of the military on SGU.
    and how could I have forgotten:
    30. Perceived lack of humor on the show.

  150. Sylvia
    December 22, 2010 at 3:48 pm |

    more (sorry):
    31: Some saw the show as a Soap Opera and were turned off by the drama
    32. The split seasons led to people forgetting about the show

  151. Sylvia
    December 22, 2010 at 4:27 pm |

    33. Should have ran last season of SGA along with SGU to keep those fans
    34. Should have had better lead-in, lead out
    35. A few people boycotted Syfy altogether bec of the cancellation of Caprica

  152. peteym5
    December 22, 2010 at 5:16 pm |

    I wonder if Gateworld will start up a Save Stargate Universe campaign and come up with a way to persuade Syfy to continue the show. This is a strong possibility that this is the last Stargate TV series for a long time. Star Trek Enterprise was canceled 6 years ago and CBS has no plans to start up a new series. Stargate is going down the same path right now. We know they may wrap up the series with a direct to DVD title.

  153. psw
    December 22, 2010 at 6:13 pm |

    @ Nomdepluman

    “- One additional reason I think the show failed.
    They blocked it online. That was insane. I never watch TV on TV. Load it up with as many adds as you want, I will still prefer to watch it when I want to watch it and not when the network deigns to show it.”

    Then why are you complaining about its cancellation? It sounds like you could have watched SGU live on the Syfy channel, but the show wasn’t important enough for you to do it. The live + SD ratings are what is important for Syfy. If enough people with a Nielsen box thought like you, it may have contributed to SGU’s cancellation. So you should have also blamed people like you in your rant!

  154. psw
    December 22, 2010 at 6:21 pm |

    @ peteym5

    I think there will be a new Star Trek series after the movie trilogy is finished. My guess is that a new series will start in 2016 or 2017.

  155. mistergroenevingers
    December 22, 2010 at 7:22 pm |

    I’m hoping for a new Star Trek series. It’s been too long.

  156. Athena28
    December 22, 2010 at 9:18 pm |

    Took quite a while for me to get into it, but now that I am…they cancel it.

    The main problem I had was the long breaks. By the time it came back, I’d forgotten what had gone on months before.

    Go back to putting your new shows on in the summer, Syfy. Then you’re pretty much up against reality shows.

  157. saxgod
    December 22, 2010 at 10:35 pm |

    MGM is almost gone or limping along. They sold ALL their sets for SG1 and Atlantis. They may have greenlit a third SG1 movie and the first Atlantis movie with scripts done, but it WILL NOT be made probably EVER. So rejoice in the death of SGU, but also realize that’s it. Really think about it. Star Trek had movies behind it before, not direct to dvd either. Stargate doesn’t have any of that. You have one movie that spawned tv shows. The best we will all hope for is that in a decade or two someone restarts the entire thing.

    I can’t believe some of you are actually glad it’s gone. If you didn’t like it fine, but if you wanted more Stargate in the form of a movie from other shows then you should have supported it. Now we ALL LOSE. Unless DirecTV picks the show up that’s all she wrote folks.

    Mr. Sumner you may want to slowly start shutting the site down because all you will be writing about are DVD releases and upcoming conventions. MGM has no money and they were HAPPY to be getting the money they did from SyFy. I bet the show was barely making enough as it is. This is how bad MGMs situation is, they can’t make or release another Bond movie and those were VERY successful especially the new ones.

    So everyone who’s happy and thinking ok now we will get another one developed and they will put it on air….Don’t hold your breath. SyFy is moving on too. They are replacing it with a bad version of Being Human and another show that maybe interesting, but that’s it guys. So enjoy this Spring because after that 20th episode the only Stargate will be in rerun form or on your BluRay or DVD player.

    This went from a really awesome Christmas to a CRAPPY one. Caprica got cancelled but they got another show. Stargate got cancelled and the series died.

    What angers me about SyFy though they tried selling us a bill of goods saying well we don’t have the money to make Atlantis and Universe so we will just do Universe because it will be cheaper. I have a sad feeling they were looking for a way to kill the entire series and the writers were BETTING ON US to help get the show back in good favor. WE FAILED the series. SO STOP SAYING GOOD OR YOU’RE GLAD BECAUSE IT’S OVER. RIP Stargate Franchise 12-16-2010

    All of you who are happy should be ashamed and realize what just happened.

  158. Nomdepluman
    December 22, 2010 at 11:35 pm |

    @ psw

    Guess what! I actually DID have a neilson box sent to our family for a week during season 1. Sadly, as I have twin 2 year olds, the Sprout Channel got far more juice than it should even though Nina from the goodnight show is fapworthy.

    Anyway, I DID enter in SGU and I DID get my vote out. So there! :P

    Also tagged in on Castle, Human Target, and because I thought it was hillarious, an entire day’s worth of Faulty Towers when BBC-A had it on marathon.

  159. Ancient1
    December 22, 2010 at 11:45 pm |

    I suppose the decision makers haven’t heard of DVR. Scifi used to offer the viewer great, quality, intriguing programming that allowed many without as much imagination to see the dreams. This new team of owners of Syfy has missed the mark entirely. It isn’t the quantity of viewer it’s the quality. Learn from these mistakes or watch your network slowly fade away… SGU and Caprica were just getting started and both had the makings of epic storylines. I am surprised that you think Sanctuary is doing so well. Although a great series, it has no where near the storyline of SGU or Caprica. WWE is mind-numbing and only those who muse easliy will flock to it. Most of us that enjoy intellectually stimulating programming will use the seek command on our controllers for a network offering something of value. Pay close attention to this one: it’s not your advertisers that pay your salaries. It’s ultimately the viewers who buy their products and if we’re not watching, who’s buying? It has become very obvious what market is targeted by the ads within the programming. G-4, step it up guys. We’re waiting for a real Scifi channel to take us in…

  160. Overmind One
    Overmind One
    December 23, 2010 at 12:25 am |

    @ saxgod

    Your entire post makes NO sense whatsoever. It makes no sense to support a horrible soap opera so that “later on” we get movies. Just LOL! What needed to happen HAS happened. The soap opera imposter calling itself Stargate has been cancelled.

    MGM owns the Stargate license, and its valuable. They will make a new movie or use it in a new TV show or something. They will NOT shelve it, because it makes no sense to do so. I really have little respect for people who will compromise their principles and standards just to get something. I have been a Stargate fan for 15 years, but I hated Stargate Universe and am very glad it has been canceled. Now, perhaps we can get a REAL Stargate show in the near future.

  161. saxgod
    December 23, 2010 at 1:52 am |

    @ Overmind One

    I’m going to assume you don’t know how the entertainment business works. When a company puts something out and it slowly erodes and then they come out with new stuff but it isn’t as popular and then the last thing they come out with it isn’t close to the second product then it will be CANCELLED. They will either go back to the drawing board or move on and do something else till it becomes popular again. I loved all the shows. The thing about Universe was they were trying to make it more serious more realistic and they accomplished that. I’m sorry you didn’t like that, but they did say this isn’t SG1 or Atlantis. The reason they did that was because the SG1 and Atlantis formula was failing hence why SyFy gave the people in charge an ultimatium. Cancel Atlantis now and change direction with Universe or go year to year with Atlantis and more then likely have it cancelled after a year.

    The benefit of filming in Canada went away during the Recession and actually became expensive so the cost of Atlantis skyrocketed. So yes people had to support Universe if they wanted more Stargate. You are right they may do another movie, but it will be a reboot. The series you love and I love and others is DEAD. So enjoy the last 10 episodes because that’s it.

  162. nell
    December 23, 2010 at 5:27 am |

    First off, good article. it was very interesting read.

    I’m going to admit right up front I was not an SGU fan. I gave it almost the entire first season to hook me, despite my misgivings, but i just found I could not enjoy it.

    Below is just my opinion, if any of you disagree, please feel free to speak your mind, just please keep your comments directed at the topic and not at me. (meaning leave the name calling for the play ground, calling me a hater or any of the other colorful phrases that have cropped up will just make me ignore you.)

    While I do agree that Syfy did play a part in SGU’s cancellation, I feel there are much larger factors that played a more significant part. So much so, in my opinion, that things like schedule changes were just the final pebbles among many that finally tipped the scale.

    SGU had an uphill battle right from the start. The first blow to the series was when TPTB cancelled SGA for SGU, this ticked off a LOT of fans. (myself included, though I tried my best not to let it color my judgement) SGU needed those fans to get off the ground. TPTB would have been better off to have run SGA alongside of SGU for at least one more season. This would have made the path for SGU much smoother. Much like SG1 eased the way for SGA. It would have also allowed TPTB to give SGA the send off it deserved. Rather than throwing together some quick ending and then yammering on about some possible movie that might, maybe get made if the moon and planets align just right, sometime in the possible future. Say after the world ends in 2012. (yeah, I’ll I’m a bit bitter about the movies, and I have little faith they’ll ever be made.)

    TPTB also didn’t help things by insulting the fans that voiced their negative opinion about the show. Were some of those vocal fans rude, over the line, and wrong in how they presented their opinions? Absolutely! But here’s the catch, fans can afford to be rude and obnoxious they have nothing to really lose. Producers, directors and writers on the other hand…not so much. Why? Fans are in essence, customers. I have worked in the world of customer service for nearly 12 years and one thing I’ve learned is, the customer is always right even when they’re not. So when a customer is rude, I bite my tongue and either apologize for what the customer is upset about, or I politely try to turn the situation around and help them to see the good points. Or I even *gasp* LISTEN to their suggestions and take them into consideration for possible improvement. I don’t tell them, “Well, if you don’t like it then don’t buy it.” That’s a quick way to lose business. This is exactly what TPTB did. When fans started vocalizing what they thought of as negative aspects of the show, TPTB got all puffed up and arrogantly said, “Well, if you don’t like it, don’t watch it” So the fans didn’t and now SGU and the fans it does have are paying the price.

    So right from the start SGU already had several hits against it. Then we finally get the show on the air and it got another series of marks against it again. They started the series’ ongoing story out so slowly it was like watching frozen molasses. The characters were unimpressive if not down right unlikeable for many fans, including myself. Many fans were left without a character to stand behind and cheer for because none of them had any kind of redeeming qualities. They were all out for themselves and to heck with everyone else. For a show to be a success you have to give the fans characters they want to cheer on, not people they wish would go jump off a cliff. Contrary to what Hollywood seems to believe these days, people still want a hero to come and save the day, nor do we want everything and everyone to be completely realistic. It’s okay for characters to have flaws, in fact its good for each character to have at least a few. But if the characters have no redeeming qualities at all they just become unlikeable and even boring. Just like if someone was just to good to be true, that would be boring and as unsatisfying well. Then to add onto insult to injury, they bogged everything down with over the top drama and very little action, which to a Sci-fi fan is akin to torture. We don’t mind a bit of drama here and there, but for the most part we want spaceships, aliens, space battles, and large explosions, with the occasional hot dude or dudette thrown in. ;-) If we want drama we’ll watch Grey’s Anatomy or something.

    Another factor that hurt SGU was that TPB took their new path TOO far away from what made Stargate, well, Stargate. reaching out for a new and fresh outlook on a franchise can be a good thing, but if you want to succeed you need to keep the key factors that make the franchise what it is. Take the Star Trek Reboot movie for instance. JJ Abrams took Star Trek and made it something fresh, exciting and even new, but he still kept all of the things that are key to Star Trek being Star Trek. As a result the reboot was a huge success despite many nay sayers that were vocal both before and after the movie was released. And many of those nay sayers ate their words in the end. And JJ isn’t even a fan of Star Trek. You would think that Stargate’s PTB, who are supposedly fans of the franchise, would have been able to do the same if not better. Sadly TPTB seemed to want to run as far away from what made Stargate what it is that SGU did not feel like a part of the franchise at all. Except for in name only. So when many of the original fans came back to watch this new “stargate” show, they walked away with a bad taste in their mouth and they may have even felt slighted and even a little betrayed.

    So sadly SGU didn’t have a real good chance of success from the start. I’m sorry for the fans of the show though. it sucks when a show you like gets pulled from the air. Just because i didn’t like it doesn’t mean i wanted it taken off the air. It truthfully made never no mind to me since i wasn’t watching. But I will admit that a small part of me is going “You should have listened to us, PTB, you should have listened to us.”

  163. cobber123
    December 23, 2010 at 8:09 am |


    Why do people continue to trot out the “You’re too stupid to get it”. It wasn’t art house or anything cerebral. It wasn’t even terribly watchable. It was just a TV show trying to make money hoping to exploit an existing franchise fanbase.

    If it was so clever they were looking in the wrong place. They went after a younger audience. That almost certainly pulled them into the teen fanboi market. That’s not a market necessarily known for its critical insights nor its tolerance of anything perceived to be dull.
    Much of the Stargate fanbase is a lot older. They didn’t keep enough of them while appearing to promise more Stargate.

    It was a potentially interesting idea, very badly-realised, that very clearly and cynically(IMO) exploited the tenuous link to the Stargate franchise. It gave up virtually nothing interesting for almost a whole season apart from Robert Carlyle’s cryptic intro voiceover.

    Audiences have certain expectations and good shows can get the “cerebral” and the rest of us to watch. Give them enough of what they want and they will stay watching, Ignore them and a show is doomed to failure.

  164. mistergroenevingers
    December 23, 2010 at 9:04 am |

    Good post Nell, I agree with most of what you said there.
    And it indeed sucks when you like a show and it get’s canned.
    I was just starting to appreciate SGU for what it is, after initially having been frustrated with it for reasons you stated in your post.
    Other shows I liked that got cancelled…
    Firefly, Threshold, Rubicon and Caprica. (and ofcourse SG-1 and SG-A)

  165. mythos
    December 23, 2010 at 2:34 pm |

    @saxgod – It was the producers of Stargate who killed SGA, not anyone else. They didn’t want to do 2 shows at one time again. The cost of the shows aren’t relevant to each other. And SGA was getting very solid ratings, particularly with it’s key demographics. And was actually experiencing rising ratings at times. It was the Stargate powers that be that cancelled SGA in favor of SGU, which they touted as a would-be big-ratings success. They failed. They failed to create a show that people liked. They failed to hold onto the ratings they had. They failed the fans that had been with the show since the beginning.

    We don’t know the status of any future SG1 or SGA movies. It is a valuable property that MGM still owns and so something may come out of it or something may not. My concern would be that they would try to do to them what they did with SGU. In which case, I say the world is better off without them. They’d need a 20-hour long movie to tell a single story with SGU’s format. So if that’s what they have planned, then it would be best to let those plans die with SGU. The fans have spoken and it’s not just the Stargate name that means something to them but rather the Stargate concepts that they built up with SG1 and SGA that they want.

    The masses just couldn’t identify with SGU because there was nothing real about it to them. Reality is just the illusion that you choose to accept as the truth. Most people’s reality just doesn’t include the dripping drama, excessive whining and weak characters that SGU indulged in.

    Ultimately, the only reason why I’m sorry to see SGU go is because the most recent episodes showed promise and I didn’t think it was too late for them to turn the show around. But, apparently just as the stargate production powers that be were wrong in thinking that they knew how to make a better Stargate show, I was wrong in thinking that there was still time to turn the show around. Hopefully they won’t do too much damage to the franchise with the remaining episodes so that there are pieces to be picked up should someone decide to try to do so.

  166. merlinof2
    December 24, 2010 at 2:23 am |

    Hmmm, guess we’re supposed to watch cookie cutter versions of the same show. Yet, if anyone here had been in the military, they’d tell you anyone who acted like either of the leads in SG1 or SGA would wind up in the brig post haste. I’m so bloody tired of having to live my live, tailor my TV viewing, and other things according to the lowest common denominator. Wrestling watchers, windows users, and people who drive in the rain without their headlights on. So sorry we made you think with a show that wasn’t sitcom like. Ever wonder why Nascar, wrestling, or “how i met your mother” has great ratings… drop your IQ about 100 points and it will become crystal clear. I’ve started a website for folks to sign up and set a date to terminate their scifi subscriptions. Maybe ending any and all cash flow will get them to start decent programming practices.

  167. mythos
    December 24, 2010 at 11:19 am |

    @merlinof2 – I know several people in the military that act very much like the military people in SG1 and SGA. One’s a retired admiral who reminds me a lot of Jack. Had dinner with him the other day. He was cracking jokes left and right in between war stories. The public face of the military command is rarely true to the character of the person behind the uniform. And the shows covered their reasoning for the leeway given to those involved. Did they sometimes push it a little farther than would be likely acceptable? Sure. But then they’re dealing with alien invasion forces from other worlds. If you don’t think that would change the rules then you just don’t understand people.

    What’s unrealistic is that any of the military people in SGU were ever fit for duty and would be involved in a mission of such a level. It’s laughable, really. Most of them would have been in the brig if in the military at all. And they certainly wouldn’t have been on Icarus. The psuedo-realistic BS that SGU brought to the table is actually the lowest common denominator. That’s why it failed. This soap-opera form of scifi is wrestling, just aimed at a different audience. SGU was relying on the idea that most people were weak and whiny and could identify with characters of the same ilk. They’ve been shown that they were wrong.

  168. merlinof2
    December 24, 2010 at 1:19 pm |

    @mythos, good drugs. My dad is a retired Colonel. Battalion commander for the 101st Airborne. Trust me, none of the military on SG1 or SGA would make it in a real military. As for SGU, did you not watch the show? They weren’t a military force on a mission, they were a group of scientists, with a support staff, that were forced into an escape that resulted in them winding up on the ship. ??? Pay attention, and have at least realistic ideas of plausible and not plausible.

  169. mythos
    December 24, 2010 at 4:08 pm |

    @merlinof2 – Your dad is one man. Amazingly, different people have different personalities. And I also know 2 colonels whom are a lot more like Sheppard than they are like Young. Regarding SGU – I’m not talking about the scientists. I’m talking about the colonels and officers whom were assigned to protect one of the greatest secrets in the world. We’re not talking about scientists, we’re talking about military officers. Ones which would never have reached that level with the way they act. I highly doubt your dad was a psychotic alcoholic if he was a colonel in the 101st Airborne. And we’re talking about officers protecting something that would have required the very best of the best. Bottom line is that not one of the military people on SGU were fit for duty, yet alone for that assignment. Not a single one. Even TJ had an affair with a married commanding officer. Conduct unbefitting. Plain and simple.

  170. snapnhiss
    December 25, 2010 at 8:42 am |

    Loved the original Stargate movie that started this off, enjoyed the first 5 – 6 years of SG1 and absolutely LOVED SGA (Joe Flanagan, you handsome devil). So when I heard SGA was being cancelled and apparently replaced with SGU, I wasn’t too pleased with the news but I watched anyway because I’m a fan of Robert Carlyle. That first season was abysmally bad, even worse than Dollhouse’s first season. But I continued to watch even after yelling at Chloe’s stupidity for standing directly under a breeched hull and I grew to enjoy the show in the second season… as I did the second season of Dollhouse. My point in comparing these two shows is that the Dollhouse writers knew they were being cancelled soon enough that they were allowed to tie up some story arcs in a satisfying way, and I hope the crew for SGU are allowed to do the same. And to the person hoping syfy cancels Haven… how dare you. Here you are lamenting the early demise of a show you like and then you hypocritically say that? ARGH!

  171. nzsyfylova
    December 25, 2010 at 8:00 pm |

    This sucks! SGU is a great series and it is such a shame for it to be canceled. I hope they are able to rap it up in a DVD movie or two.

  172. SurphNinja
    December 26, 2010 at 6:57 am |

    The show was canceled because it’s not very good, plain and simple. Thankfully it got a lot better in more recent episodes. The first season lacked engaging and exciting stories, none of the characters were likable for a long time (how long were we stuck with stories about shallow chloe, voyeurist eli, incompetent everett, and meathead matthew scott?). The only saving grace of this show has been Nicholas Rush. He’s the only reason I kept watching, and I regret that I won’t get to see more of him.

    Fans were very clear about what they didn’t like in Stargate Universe from the very beginning. Instead of taking good advice and making a show people wanted to see, the producers turned a deaf ear to legitimate criticisms and lashed out at fans (such as: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/08/stargate-universe-producer-brad-wright-talks-back-to-critics-talks-smack-about-abcs-v/32966).

    This cancellation is long overdue. True, the episodes were starting to get better, but not by much. This show was just sullying the good name of a solid franchise. I’m glad the producers were willing to try a different style, but the execution was just a horrible mish-mash of borrowed elements from other shows. Tips for next attempt, stargate crew: you’re not very good at writing like other people, so just write like yourselves and stop trying to rip off other shows. Empower women and never again try to shamelessly sell sex like you did in SGU. Write characters we like. Write interesting and engaging stories, whether they be action or drama. Most of all, learn to respect your fans- listen to their feedback and give them something worth watching. And don’t try to write fans into the show, like you did with Eli. Eli was nothing but an insult. Is that what you think of Stargate fans? That they’re nothing but fat, voyeuristic, socially awkward, emotionally immature nerds? Thanks for that.

    Cut your losses with SGU. Make the SG1 and Atlantis movies.

  173. thebaby
    December 26, 2010 at 12:43 pm |

    Really really disappointed :( Just finished watching my 5th season of Atlantis after finishing SE 02 of SGU, now I’ve found out that Atlantis is canned too and “Stargate Extinction” -the movie ain’t coming out. What will I do for my weekly SG hit?

    Suppose I could watch Caprica or something….

  174. MaxHeadroom
    December 27, 2010 at 7:16 am |

    SciFi has degraded to SyFy…(what the heck is that anyway?) and seems to have less and less science fiction on it these days.(Wrestling? Crappy “reality” shows?)

    The executives of stations like these are not keeping up with the times…
    they are grabbing at whats left of the old way of doing things, and that is going to sink them.

    Sanctuary is a good example of how things are changing.. this show STARTED as an internet show and got picked up for tv.
    So, this show had ZERO ratings if rated the same way as SGU.

    As for SGU:
    I got so annoyed with the 1/2 season breaks and the “next week on SGU” spoilers.
    I ended up checking to see if I could re watch the previous 1/2 season as a refresher just before the next 1/2 season started.

    I tried the station network website, netflix and hulu.(I refuse to use Itunes but I checked and they don’t have it anyway)
    Because I am in Canada, 2 of them just flat out deny connection and canadian netflix did not have the liscensing for SGU.

    So, I finally clicked on one of the “illegal” sites.

    Sad to say, I was surprised at how this site works way better than netflix or the other official ways.
    No commercials, no denials because I’m in Canada, no hassles, watch at whatever time I want, HD quality, spoilers cut out and finally, “free”. (why exactly should I pay for tv ?)
    I would prefer to pay a reasonable fee for an official outlet and therefore in a small way show my support for the shows I like. But the Networks make this difficult.

    Some interesting numbers from this “illegal” site I am now using (thanks in part to syfy being the “last straw” that pushed me there.)

    SGU season 1 has 300,000 downloads/viewings
    60,000 more than SG-1
    110,000 more than SG Atlantis
    75,000 more than 90210 (new version)
    80,000 more than Eureka
    10,000 less than Mythbusters

    200,000 more than warehouse 13, “V” and NCIS Los Angeles

    in the upper scale:
    Heroes has 400,000
    House MD has about 700,000
    big bang theory has 2 million (going to have to look into this show.. never heard of it)

    in the bottom scale:
    ghost hunters has 6,000 (is this the show that syfy is keeping instead of SGU?!?)
    Paradox has 7,000
    life after people has 9,500

    This from one illegal site… how many of these sites are out there?

  175. blackhawlk
    December 28, 2010 at 9:26 am |

    The ONLY reason SGU failed was because it didnt appeal to enough people. It’s becoming laughable now with all the rediculous excuses. SGU got the same chance that every show gets.

    In fact most shows don’t get 2 seasons to try and woo their audience. Over 2 million viewers gave this show a chance and I million stopped watching. I wonder why. The notion that this show is more like real life is nonsence.

    Tptb decided to hone in on the nastier side of human nature and try and tell us that this is more real than portraying good decent human beings. Well there are plenty of good decent people out there who don’t turn into scum bags when they find themselves in dire situations. I have friends who have lost family members in the military and they gave their lives to save others. Don’t tell me that idiots like Young are more real then good decent men and women who die to protect otheres.

    There was nothing real about SGU. It just highlighted the weaker side of human nature. It seems the audience wasn’t interested in characters with no redeeming qualities. The channel, time slot, wrestling, and any other lame excuse had nothing to do with the failure of SGU, it failed because it was a slow. boring depressing show that viewers were not interested in.

  176. blackhawlk
    December 28, 2010 at 9:40 am |

    What is the point of comparing recent SGU downloads to SGA and SG1 when both shows have no new episodes. Why would shows that ended years ago be getting the same downloads as a show that is currently running. Maybe you should get figures for 7 years ago and see the downloaded figures for SGA. SGA was always the hightest downloaded show in its entire run. Downloading hasn’t changed drastically in the last few years. If you added all the downloaded figures of SGA during its run then you could say that their viewership was also much higher.
    And even if other shows are being dowloaded less, all it confirms is that more viewers are watching them live, usually millions more.

  177. sguftwyey
    December 28, 2010 at 1:26 pm |

    I think SGU appealed much more to people who are not socially inept than SGA and SG1. I’ll bet a lot more people that didn’t watch SG1 and SGA would have started watching SGU if they had not been scared off by watching an SGA or SG1 episode in the past.

    My wife thought I had lost my mind when I told her she might enjoy the new series when I first started watching it(sgu) ~time ep 3 came out for season 1. This is b/c of the bad taste she got from watching a few SG1 episodes a while back. She ended up loving the new series. Its one of her favorite shows now.

    I think SGU has the potential to appeal to a much wider audience than currently view it. I also think it would appeal to a broader group previous 2 tv series if people were more willing to give it a shot and watch an episode.

  178. pmoss75
    December 28, 2010 at 5:54 pm |

    First, I am tired of people saying rasslin’ is fake. Its fake in the same way Stargate is fake. Its scripted. I’d wager that most of the actors on smackdown are more athletic than the athletes we watch on the NFL or whhatever sport you’re interested in. I say this and I’m not even a fan.

    I hated SGU at first. Instatnly when season 2 started I became a huge fan. I feel that this is one of the best science fiction shows ever! I am done with SYFY. I’ll buy the shows on ituens or whatever I need to do to support the show but I will not watch this channel any more. I hope Stargate moves networks when it starts again (one day). This franchise help establish this network!I cant believe they did this to their fans that have been with them so long. They can show rasslin’ or tennis or reruns of South Park of whatever I don’t care. I’ll be going out of my way not to watch them.

  179. MaxHeadroom
    December 28, 2010 at 6:23 pm |


    Those were the all time totals that the site lists.
    Most of the shows I listed there are current.
    But since this is Gateworld, I included the other SG show numbers aswell.

    I think a lot more people are downloading and/or streaming compared to only a few years ago.
    I think that is reflected in those download numbers.
    (one big factor that would skew those numbers is how long that site has been up and running.. at least a couple of years for sure but i don’t know).

  180. eidos
    December 29, 2010 at 3:31 am |

    Much as I don’t belong in this war, I am compelled to make an observation or two. I guess what really bothers me is the lack of trust in our writers. SG1 and SGA were great and the decision to include other viewers, new fans was a good one. Why not take the opportunity to educate the non science fiction crowd? Why not bring in a new group of people and teach them something new in a non-threatening way? When I was introduced to SG1, I was an avid fan of The West Wing, which dealt as much with politics as it dealt with morality/religion. Once I saw the depth offered by SG1 and Atlantis, I couldn’t deny my eyes. So, this brings me to a better question: why so exclusive? Why not take the opportunity to inspire those who might just be open to a little bit of inspiration?

  181. valerius
    December 29, 2010 at 6:01 am |

    Or maybe Season 1 was just incredibly boring while impossible to follow if you didn’t watch it every week. That might be a reason. They chased away viewers like me who are in for an hour of fun and action and failed to attract new ones by making it just another CHARACTER! DRAMA! for 13 year old girls. Yet, those won’t watch anything with sci fi written on it and honestly have a lot to choose from anyway.

    I hope the SG franchise will come back one day. It’s been fun and I will enjoy my SG1 and SGA DVDs for many years to come.

  182. eidos
    December 30, 2010 at 3:43 am |

    A day late and a dollar short…story of my life..lol

  183. mythos
    December 30, 2010 at 12:39 pm |

    New viewers is good. SGA was pulling in new viewers. It’s ratings were rising. SGU’s pilot pulled in new viewers and they immediately started going away. And more and more went away as time went on because both the new viewers and the old fans were leaving in droves. What’s it called when you do something that causes a negative result? Oh yeah! A mistake.

  184. Jim
    December 31, 2010 at 8:36 am |

    I just wanted to inpute the military voice reg previous discussion,because I am in the service.
    First of all I have to say I find it very funny that people who don’t know what to say always mentione 101-st Airborne..lol!!
    Secondly,while I was a fan of SGU I have to say that military portrayal on that show really was poor to say the least To whoever said that characters on SG-1,or SGA would never make it in the real service,I’ll just say it’s a fricking tv-show..something’s gotta give..
    But the point is those characters would nevertheless make it in those kind of circumstances and would have found themselves in them,in the first place more so than the military characters on SGU.Don’t forget that Army.Navy and especially Air-Force strongly supported SG-1 and SGA.
    Not saying that military support makes the show,or the movie better,it’s oftenly quite opposite in the sense of artistic freedom,but it is still telling about the discussion you had.
    And personally I think none of the military personel on SGU were fit to wear the uniform..there’s realism for ya’!
    Just think about it,or maybe you don’t now,but what would a fresh out of the Academy,whiny Lt.without any military experience whatsoever,who never fired a gun in battle,not to mentione lead men,because it’s not just a Colonel’s job,especially not directly in the field to lead men..what would he be doing in such a highly covert and important op,such as Icarus was??

  185. michael_dex
    January 1, 2011 at 7:28 am |

    I have to say that I was disappointed with SGU. I had been a long time fan of Stargate, and enjoyed it mostly because I could watch it with my kids. Like most, I was saddened to see SGA wrap up and looked forward to the coming of SGU. However, it was a departure from what it had been. The story had gone from a solid story line to a saturday night b-movie flick filled with sex and discontent. It was like watching a show about a dysfunctional family getting stranded during a holiday get together; way too blue to watch as a family. When you try to increase your fan base, don’t throw out your loyal longstanding fans for 18-25 year olds that seem to be addicted to porn.

  186. Trep
    January 2, 2011 at 11:03 pm |

    Here is my 22 cents – inflation. If we look back to what could be argued the beginning of modern sci-fi shows, the original Star Trek, and analyze the structure of each episode we can see a formula at work there. Each episode pretty much found the Enterprise crew facing a life or death event with complex, puzzle solving a main plot line that was wrapped up in one episode. Most plot lines were self contained stories played out completely in one hour. Next week brought a new, fresh story that was always balanced by the underlining whole series of going where no man has gone before, seeking out new life etc etc. It was always the foundation of the show as a whole.

    You could miss weeks and weeks of shows and go back and pick up the following show with out having to worry that you’ve missed so much of the underlining plot that you get frustrated cause you did not partake of all the major and mini plots tied into each other episode after episode leaving you scratching your head to what the hell they are talking, doing, or romanticizing about! it quickly becomes basically a space soap opera!

    Go back to a show with a simple foundation and stories that stuff a complete understandable episode that any one can watch in any sequence knowing you didn’t have to take notes to understand what he/she did 4 or 5 episodes ago. If they would do this I guarantee the would not lose so many viewers or have problems keeping people coming back week after week.

  187. bear300z
    January 3, 2011 at 4:38 pm |

    Since NBC owns SYFY and MGM owns the Stargate franchise, isn’t it possible that MGM could buy the syfy channel and use its cash cow (Stargate) to bring the channel back to what it was ment to be (and use the name SCI-FI). There were so many good SCI-FI shows that were cancelled, for no good reason, I think MGM could make it work. It also might be a good channel for other studios to try out new sci-fi shows.

    As far as Stargate goes, I loved it and wish it could go on. I feel there are still many of unanswered questions that could make instresting story lines.

  188. Jim
    January 4, 2011 at 3:34 am |

    It is just sad that we’ve been left without not just Stargate,but sci-fi shows all together.
    There isn’t any out there left,nothing..it has gone beyond the question of good or bad sci-fi shows,because there’s simply none of them left!
    Within a period of less than two years,all of the remaining shows just dissapeared..since the beginning of 2009:Stargate Atlantis,Battlestar Galactica,Lost,Terminator:Sarah Connor Chronicles,Dollhouse,Heroes(although that’s not strictly sci-fi),Caprica,Stargate Universe..
    Doesn’t really matter what you thought of all of those shows,certainly no one liked all of them the same and most people didn’t like all of them at all,but it is very indicative that one by one we have been left without a single sci-fi show..except for the Event that I can’t get into,because I have a problem with the characters there that many people had with the SGU characters..I just can’t care about them.
    The other is Doctor Who,that I also cannot take seriously..sorry,don’t mean to offend anyone,because I didn’t see much of it,but from the little I could stand to watch,it seems like a kid’s show.I can take Power Rangers more seriously than Doctor Who.
    So basically,this is a very sad time for sci-fi on tv and consequently for all sci-fi fans.
    Sy-Fy Channel has nothing to do with sience fiction anymore.
    We had two really good decades and now everything is gone!

  189. kingdomoflegends
    January 4, 2011 at 7:40 am |

    I’m sad to read that SGU and the movies has been dropped :( I am a HUGE SG1 and SGA fan!! I may not have been a huge SGU fan but I’ve watched it every time for the sake of the franchise and there were some good episodes.

  190. mythos
    January 4, 2011 at 11:33 am |

    @bear300z – Cash cow? Stargate? Seriously?

    Love them or hate them, none of the Stargate shows were ever a cash cow. And while the movie did ok, it didn’t really shatter any box office windows.

    As for Syfy, it’s current state mirrors that of Stargate. It started out with the simple concept of trying to capture the very lucrative science fiction market (NCIS may get the viewers, but you don’t see people travel across countries to line up at conventions and buy the dvd’s before they hit the shelves). SciFi fans will spend their money on the genre and that’s what made them attractive. Then, just as with Stargate, the powers that be started thinking more and more that it was about them rather than the fans. Sci-Fi started to feel that it was more their place to tell people what they liked and became SyFy just as Stargate’s producers started to feel that they knew better than the fans and decided to make SGU. Now Sci-Fi and SGU are both gone.

  191. mythos
    January 4, 2011 at 11:58 am |

    @Jim – I wouldn’t really call Lost, Dollhouse or Heroes science fiction. I’m not even sure I’d call BSG science fiction. Caprica, while not my cup of tea, from what little I saw, seemed to walk the line a bit more than BSG did – though I saw very little of it so it may have fallen more on one side or the other as time went on. I think there needs to be a new term for dramas that have a futuristic tinge but aren’t really science fiction. I think it would help calm the intra-genre relationships that get riled up. It’s pretty clear that references to them being soap opera-like aren’t appreciated even though arguably technically accurate. Maybe something like ‘dramience’ or ‘future drama’. Something that would make the distinction of the show more clear. I think the problem is that people assign the term science-fiction to any story that involves scenarios beyond our current technology even if there’s no focus at all on the tech elements.

    As for Doctor Who, I don’t know that anyone could really argue that it is true science fiction. I do actually like the show (though I liked David Tennant more than Matt Smith). It really is largely in a class of it’s own as it’s not really a drama or science fiction or comedy. It has elements of all 3 but no clear focus on any of them. I think it’s really best defined as fantasy or even just fiction. But it largely isn’t meant to be taken ‘seriously’. Overall, it is meant to be a ‘feel-good’ show. Even in the ‘darker’ episodes, it’s about rising above the situation and overcoming obstacles. I can like it for what it is because it never claimed to be anything else.

    I also like Eureka. And Warehouse 13 is growing on me for the same reason. The former I would classify as sci-fi, the latter I would not. In Eureka, there is a lot of focus on the tech. In Warehouse 13, the technical details are largely glossed over. But it’s still entertaining and while I like to thumb my nose at ‘SyFy’ as much as anyone else here, as long as those 2 shows are still around, I wouldn’t cancel SyFy even if I could (it’s part of my cable package so couldn’t cancel just it even if I wanted to). I can partially blame SyFy for cancelling SGA (They share the blame with the producers. SyFy wanted SGU now because of the promise of big ratings and the producers didn’t want to do 2 shows at the same time again and didn’t want to share the power by finding someone to take over the reigns on SGA while they moved on to SGU). But there really is no one to blame for SGU getting cancelled. They are a business and the show’s ratings were abysmal. And while some think that moving it to Tuesday was Syfy killing it, I actually think it was Syfy giving it a chance. No one expected ‘big’ ratings for it on a Tuesday night. But if it could hold adequate numbers and key demographics, it would have continued. If it had delivered as promised in the first season, it wouldn’t have been moved in the first place. But ultimately, the ratings were too abysmal to keep it going. I thought that with MGM restructuring, it may have made the deal sweeter for Syfy to continue the show at least one more season, but apparently not (though part of me does wonder if they didn’t cancel it as part of an attempt to renegotiate with MGM). In the end, though, I can’t blame Syfy for SGU getting bad ratings. The interest just wasn’t there. It never was.

  192. Jim
    January 5, 2011 at 6:45 am |

    @mythos Yeah,you’re right,I forgot about Eureka..I also love it for what it is,Warehouse 13,well no but for my own reasons,I just cant stand the mail lead..doesn’t matter.
    But reg sci-fi,I agree a lot of stuff is being put into that bag and I did it as well,although it doesn’t neccessarily belong there..like superhero shows,but I don’t agree that a focus of the story needs to be on tech in order for it to be called sci-fi,there’s always been balancing there between science and fantasy..in the end,most of all,sci-fi has always been an instrument,in fact a medium of telling a human story in a what if situation,where a what if situation wasn’t limited by the realm of what’s usually percieved as normal,or up to date,or contemporary.
    But,basically I didn’t want to label things at all,my point was,there’s fewer and fewer fantasy shows in general,pure sci-fi included,if you will,while at the same time the CSI/cop/lawyer/doctor stuf..your usual cup of tea,with a special emphasis on the CSI plague is thriving more than ever.That makes me sad!
    About Doctor Who,sorry..I sad I didn’t mean to offend anybody,I obviously don’t know enough about it and I guesss i won’t familiarize myself with it,simply cause I can’t..I just don’t like it enough.
    I absoulutely agree with what you said about the ending of SGA-beginning of SGU and I also wouldn’t be suprised if this cancelation turned out to be a failed attempt at negotiation,especially because I know for a fact that the exact same thing happened with Farscape on a relation Hanson Company and Network..

  193. mythos
    January 5, 2011 at 11:58 am |

    @Jim – I’ve only actually seen a handful of Warehouse 13 episodes so far so I’m no completely sold on it. But it has been growing on me and with dwindling options, I’ll probably pay more attention to it next season.

    As for the sci-fi label, I’m not saying the entire focus needs to be on the tech, more that if the focus is on the tech it leans more towards sci-fi. The further away the focus is from the tech, the more it leans towards something else. My point was just that merely putting people on a spaceship doesn’t make something sci-fi (and I mean this in general, not specific to SGU). There was some talk about the ship and occasionally mention of the tech, but mostly it was glossed over in favor of the mundane details of the personal lives of the characters.

    As for CSI, I watched one season each of the original and CSI: Miami…after which, I realized I never needed to see another episode and would still know what happened in every episode.

    What I liked about the older Stargate shows was that you didn’t know what would happen in every episode. Yeah, obviously the good guys would win in the end, but the same was true for SGU. Killing off a credited character was no more likely to happen in SGU than it was in SGA or SG1. Those decisions were based on the status of contracts just as with any other show. So you still knew the outcome. But the SGA and SG1 characters were likable so you could actually care about what happened to them. At the same time, you didn’t have to watch every single episode. While I tried to, I did occasionally miss an episode because of schedules and DVR technology wasn’t as solid back then, particularly with homebrew type stuff like I had, so it didn’t always work out. But I could miss an episode and not be out of the loop for the rest of the season until it repeated. This was a good thing. I don’t like shows where I feel like if I miss one episode I’ll not know what’s going on. That’s not entertaining to me. The show becomes a chore at that point. That’s why I could never get into shows like ’24’ or ‘Heroes’ or ‘Lost’. I don’t have time to base my life around tv viewing habits. I have the time to keep up with a few select shows and I don’t like feeling like missing a show will mean I may not know what’s going on anymore. I’m not saying that it makes a show bad (24 often got pretty good critical reviews and had a large fanbase), just that it doesn’t really work for me.

    Supernatural is a good example of a show that I feel handled this well in the past. They had a major show arc, a season arc, minor arcs, character focus and a ‘5 year plan’. One that they stuck to despite the promises of a 6th season, mind you. Not only did they fight and struggle to make sure they got to tell their story. But when it was told, they walked away, despite being offered more. Now THAT’s dedication to a story. And now with Season 6, I’m not really liking the direction that they’re going in and find myself less interested in watching it…but I still watch it because of the first 5 seasons and it will probably take a season or two (if it gets another) for me to completely lose interest if it continues going in a direction that I don’t like as well.

    And with Doctor Who, there’s no need to apologize. I definitely don’t think of it as a show that everyone would like and I don’t think you were in any way offensive in what you said about it. I like it because it’s fun even though overall, I would call it less ‘interesting’. You can’t really debate or discuss aspects of Doctor Who in any great detail because they’ve never been particularly concerned with canon. There are plenty of contradicting events which get overlooked because it’s “The Doctor”. But it has never tried to be anything else. If they made a show called Doctor Who and had the doctor turn into a brooding type, I’d stop watching it. It may be more ‘edgy’, but would be far less entertaining.

  194. robbo006
    January 6, 2011 at 12:02 pm |

    So when do we get to see the Furlings now?

  195. Jim
    January 7, 2011 at 2:03 am |

    @mythos Yeah,man,I totally get you..about the old Sg-1 eps and missing an occasional one,with me it was even more than that.I’d actually seen every episode only once the show was over and I bought the DVDs.And there I’m exactly like you in the fact that I don’t have the time to follow such shows you mentioned..especially I haven’t had the time,nor even the opportunity to to so up until a year ago,or so,because I was mostly abroad.So yeah,I’m affraid I didn’t really contribute to the ratings of neither of those shows,lol..Which means,reg that kind of shows I did what I still do,I buy the DVDs and watch them on my own time,without having to think about whether I missed an ep.and how will that affect me being able to follow the story,therefore thinking about whether to commit to something or not,you know what I mean.
    In general I watch very little tv,so trust me when I say I understand you more than you know.
    Anyhow,I have heard how great 24 was,but it is still waiting on my shelf..I’ve got all of the seasons,but haven’t seen any..I will though.And yes that’s a perfect example of a show I never could have watched,I mean followed when it was on the air.In fact,that’s an extreme example of it,because the entire season is one big arc,with everything tying into and connected with everything else.
    And I agree with what you said about those characters on SG-1,that was true,even for the secondary characters,like doctor Fraiser..the two parter “Heroes”,which among other things was a beautiful send off for her,being to this day one of the best pieces of Stargate franchise and what it can be.Just perfect directing.And everyone seemed to have done their best on that one,the entire cast and the team all together.It had everything Stargate was about in it;humor,adventure,team,politics,war,battle,comradeship of the brothers in arms,interpersonal relations,tragedy as well,just about everything..So they were funny,they were sad,but in the end,most of all they were likable and entertaining..and now that I think about it,it actually makes me pop out those old discs and do a rewatch of both SG-1 and Atlantis.

  196. bayonnefrank
    January 7, 2011 at 12:15 pm |

    OW! This is no longer the SyFy I grew to love. I’d actually stay in on Friday nights to watch Sci Fi Friday. Unfotunately, they have little to no programming left that I’m interested in. Such is life.

  197. natedogg
    January 7, 2011 at 7:11 pm |

    I am actually leaving my thoughts about the cancellation of SGU. I have to admit I own every movie or episode relating to the SG franchise. That being said I was bummed but not surprised to see the cancellation of SGU. unlike allot of people I usually went hulu or scifi.com to watch the episodes so the scheduling never really bothered me. What pissed me off was when they made you wait like three weeks to view the previous episode. My absolute biggest surprise was how slow the show could be and that they took almost 2 seasons to get that ironed out. It was a bit to dark and needed way more action. Sci Fi drama aside they sould have done way more in that aspect. Another question is. Why in GODS name did they take so long to introduce the aliens and why didn’t anybody speak up. Regardless I was ready to change the channel anyway if things didn’t pick up. I LOVE STARGATE the franchise it is by far my favorite TV show ever. I would like to ask for MGM to give the show another shot with some more exciting writing. Please MGM give them another shot.

  198. tragedy123
    January 7, 2011 at 9:47 pm |

    I have been a loyal fan of Stargate since the movie premiered in the 90’s. For those individuals who thought us loyal fans expected to see the witty, action packed and sometimes cliche stargate we have come to love u were correct. I can respect what the writers tried to accomplish with SGU but it’s not stargate. If u wanna gamble with a show many of u’s have loved for years don’t drag the franchise through the mud by calling a show that’s supposed to be completely “different” Stargate. SGU was cancelled because it was boring plain & simple. They should of just called the show Destiny or something else. If the show was supposed to be so different as the writers claimed often then why have special guest appearances by the people that made it great: RDA, Amanda Tapping, Michael Shanks?. To say the first season was slow is an understatement, it took halfway through the second season for the show to gain any traction. There was no sense of urgency (threat of constant peril) tho the writers claimed survival was a big issue.

  199. Leonard1993
    January 9, 2011 at 3:06 am |

    At the end of the day SGU was a disapointment from the very begining. I am a avid fan of the concept of Stargate, however these spins offs from the Orginal SG1 are never going to match the real deal. I wished that SGU had been much more successful, but the writers, producers and and directors failed to harness the complexity and intrigue of what the Stargate concept really is. There was far to many boring stories and the actual season plot failed to capture the audiences intrigue with the Outer Space- the whole Alien/human interaction. Bring back the old Sg1 crew i say.

  200. Artemis9991
    January 10, 2011 at 6:06 am |

    Let’s just end this blame-game/hate-war that seems to be going on. In all honesty, the fans got angry and retaliated, and the writers got angry and retaliated in their own way. Let’s just all admit that, both sides were angry and both sides reacted, it doesn’t make one side right or wrong, we are all flawed human beings with feelings and we react when we get hurt. Fans were hurt that the writers wrote a new show, and the writers were hurt that the fans didn’t support them.

    SGU was a different show, and as an avid Stargate fan myself, I too was a bit put-off by this drastic new change they decided to go with, it seemed like to me a mix of Star Trek: Voyager and BSG. SGU is a difficult show to get into, I admit that, it took me a while to get into the swing of the show. I think for the fans, it was this new change into a darker territory instead of the normal fun quirky humorous and adventurous storylines that the fans were used to. I don’t think the concept or idea of SGU was bad, in fact, I do find it intriguing that the show deals with more of the psychological effects rather than going on adventures, and yes this story feels more dark and more adult than Stargate was before with its fun humor. But I just think the change was too sudden and the fans were put off by this new entity they weren’t used to. I think if the writers let the stories run too slowly, that was the main issue, the show was picking up steam way too slowly that the fans couldn’t wait it out any longer to give it one more shot, and of course the long breaks in the between placed by the SyFy network doesn’t really help either.

    Ultimately, SGU failed in the sense that its stories changed so dark and so suddenly that the fans weren’t used to, and its writings were moving along too slowly, and whether we like to admit it or not, the backlash from the fans did hurt the show a lot. It didn’t end the show, but it certainly didn’t help the show survive either.

    I think if SGU had written its stories more along the lines of their recent episodes which has started to gain quite a bit of speed and intensity which I love, the show could have survived better and maybe, just maybe the fans would have came around.

    But really in the end, we the fans and the writers as well, all have a piece in the downfall of SGU. The writers failed to deliver a good first run that grabbed the fans’ attentions, and we the fans were still caught up in our angers to let the new show grow.

    So now Stargate is ending, it’s a disappointment, but it’s something we all just have to live with.

  201. Mitch1995
    January 10, 2011 at 8:00 am |

    wait so because it was cancelled on one network in the us its stopped for us over here in New Zealand can someone clear that up for me please

  202. A Honshuu
    A Honshuu
    January 10, 2011 at 6:34 pm |

    Yeah, wrestling doesn’t belong on Syfy. It’s not science fiction (altho it could be argued that it’s Fantasy…) and they certainly shouldn’t be moving legit scifi to make room for it. However, using that as an excuse as to why SGU failed is pointless.
    In the commentary, it was stated:
    “Blame that on network scheduling, or on backlash from fans of the previous series…” Well, we — the fans of SGA — were labeled as ‘inconsequential’ in the greater scheme of things of BW, who told us we didn’t have enough of a voice to keep SGA on the air. Well, how could they then blame us for getting SGU cancelled? They did it to themselves by creating a show with disagreeable characters (ALL of them, save Eli) and a plot so full of holes as to make it a miniature golf course. And the fact that they “dumbed down the science” was particularly irksome because they not only dumbed down the science but the scientists themselves! If I’d been on that ship, I would’ve spaced Rush with NO hesitation — he was a terrible scientist and had zero redeeming qualities.
    I only wish that Syfy and MGM would get their collective heads out of their nether regions and just bring back SGA.

  203. anthonyfontana
    January 11, 2011 at 11:12 pm |

    First they said “Let’s make a series that appeals to a younger audience!”

    Then they said “This younger audience doesn’t pay for content!”

    You can’t blame digital downloads for the series getting cancelled. Sell a spot for a logo in the corner or put a can of sponsored soda in Eli’s hand. There are plenty of ways to get money for content besides charging your audience.

  204. iawen
    January 12, 2011 at 12:26 am |

    It seems like stargate fans are pretty torn about Universe–some of us love it, some of us hate it. I will say this about the fate of Universe–whether the two decisions had anything to do with each other or not, Universe started out on a bad foot because it came on the heels of Atlantis’ cancellation. You can’t grow a fanbase while alienating the original fans. It almost always fails. If they’d truly wanted Universe to succeed, they should have given Atlantis another season. That’s my opinion anyway.

  205. Sheppard
    January 13, 2011 at 12:28 pm |

    I still preferr Atlantis I am glad it’s cancelled I don’t like way it’s filmed like in Cloverfield you can’t see much action that way.
    Why is Wrestling on sci-fi it’s not sci-fi, sci-fi is all about sci-fi stuff and it’s nothing to do with wrestling

  206. Seaco
    January 13, 2011 at 1:57 pm |

    SG1 E SGA NOW!!!!!

  207. orion7x
    January 13, 2011 at 7:23 pm |

    Its time to boycott the wwfi channel. From now on I will just download the shows I want and never go the that station anymore. Its ,important that we keep brainless tv strong. The people with brains loose out but thats ok. Right wwFi?

  208. barcs
    January 16, 2011 at 2:25 am |

    “Also if I remember right it has been 14 years since SG-1 came about. I was 14 back then. I have grown up since and yes, we all like a show for one reason or another but it is also refreshing to see a series grow up with its audience. We are all adults now and so why not try a new direction? Ithink they deserve credit for taking the risk even if the initial execution was poor.”

    I couldn’t disagree more. The older shows were great, not just because some people were kids at the time. I watched all 3 series while an adult and there’s no question SG-1 and Atlantis were miles better than universe. They didn’t need to turn the show into soap opera. It’s supposed to be SCIENCE FICTION. If I was a middle aged housewife I might enjoy SGU, but unfortunately the writing was terrible and the plot went nowhere and wasn’t even remotely interesting past the first half of season 1.

  209. barcs
    January 16, 2011 at 2:33 am |

    “SGU was a bit more cerebral than other SG offerings so I can understand why some folks might not care for it…backhand slight intended.”

    Cerebral? Do you consider shows like 90210 cerebral as well? The plot was emotionally driven, not sci-fi driven, or logically driven. That is NOT intelligent. It’s drama. If I wanted a soap opera I’d watch daytime TV (the most IQ numbing programming imaginable).

  210. barcs
    January 16, 2011 at 2:46 am |

    They should have never canceled Atlantis. Instead they gambled and went all in on a soap opera. It had nothing to do with the sci-fi network or WWE. They removed the Sci-fi elements from the show and failed to develop any sort of relevant plot. If they kept Atlantis around, at least they could just ditch SGU and keep the show that was way better. SGU was NOT a smart show. Atlantis and SG-1 made you critically think and utilized creative problem solving. In SGU, the problems practically solved themselves with no explanation, and the silly high school drama took the center stage.

  211. barcs
    January 16, 2011 at 3:27 am |

    “I think SGU has the potential to appeal to a much wider audience than currently view it. I also think it would appeal to a broader group previous 2 tv series if people were more willing to give it a shot and watch an episode.”

    Yes, you are correct. All they need to do is take “star gate” out of the title. It would have saved me the headache of trying to follow this show in the first place. “Beverly Hills Universe” would be perfect. Most people in society today are too dumb to understand a show that doesn’t have high school drama and appeal to emotion, so yeah, throw this show on ABC and air it midday for the housewives. This show had nothing do with star gates.

  212. Jim
    January 17, 2011 at 3:01 pm |

    I really don’t see why some people look at the shows that deal with emotions in such a derogatory way.Exploring the emotional state of people stranded so far away from home,with a high possibility of never being able to get back,people who shouldn’t have been there in the first place,because they weren’t prepared for it is completely natural to me.Why should that be looked upon as less worthy?
    Just think about it,if you found yourselves in such conditions,I bet you’d have some serious emotional and psychological issues to deal with.
    Anyone who denies that is lying to themselves.
    It’s your basic exploration of human condition and yes the unfortunate fact is that most people aren’t cut out to be heroes.They whine and bicker and aren’t very pleasent to be arround.That’s realism for ya’.
    Now finding a way to resolve those issues and start working together,evolving as human beings is what it’s all about.
    The only real problem if we talk about the tv show is finding a balance between that and if we’re talking about sci-fi,putting in more dynamic atmosphere with more alien encounters and tech stuff.
    But I don’t agree with dismissing a show just because it has more psychological,or phylosofical approach,dealing with characters that are flawed human beings.Why?Well,we’re all flawed human beings..dealing with it,especially in an extreme situation like finding yourself millions of light years away from home,knowing you’ll probably never come back,doesn’t mean soap..it actually means more realistic perspective to that situation,than your cliched tough guys routine.
    It also gives you more space for your characters to grow and evolve,becoming those guys,hardened due to circumstances.
    The key is balance,something SGU didn’t achieve in the best way,but I think it was getting there.
    Also SGU obviously meant to be the show more about us,exploring our sociological,political,philosophical and pshychological identities,more than military hardened and tech savy hot shots kicking alien ass.Aliens and their presence,I think were there to serve as a plot device to explore those things,more so than anything else.And guess what,I liked that.
    It doesnt mean I wouldn’t like a different approach as well,but my point is why completely dismiss something without even giving it a chance.
    And I’m not talking about people who watched the show and didn’t like some aspects of it,because I didn’t like many aspects of it as well.I’m talking about the negativity of people who never really gave show a chance and thus never really understood what it was all about.
    But that didn’t stop them from constantly nagging and being negative,because it,in their opinion killed the SGA.That’s pure nonsense.
    Finally as I’d said..balance is the key..something SGU really didn’t achieve that well,but had good potential of doing so and in fact was getting there lately.
    So I think it does at least deserve a better ending in fact,it deserves the end,ending,closure..not a cliffhanger as a “conclusion”to the story,that despite the certain failings in it’s execution,was an interesting one.

  213. alumplus
    January 20, 2011 at 1:43 pm |

    I loved SG1 & SGA was not a great fan of SGU because of the character protrayal and devleopment.. dark and hateful. I watched every week hoping that they would explore new worlds with a change of scene from the ship, never happened. I also watch because I needed a Stargate ‘fix’. I am sorry that some other STARGATE program will not take it’s place. I appreciate explaining why the Tuesday night change but moved to Tuesday to continue the watch. The story could have been better they had great actors but why the writers continued to write about a ship going nowhere, crews fighting all the time, and with the photography so dark is beyond me. They had a following and they ruined it with the storyline. However, I will continue to miss STARGATE shows they were my favorite along with MOONLIGHT.

  214. chriskura
    January 22, 2011 at 11:28 pm |

    I was never a real big StarGate fan, I know of it and seen a few shows. Really didn’t like Atlantis but SGU I couldn’t stop watching. I really hate that they would take a wonderful show off the air. I believe WWE should be canceled and SGU reinstated. I am to the point to were Id like to start a movement to boycott SYFY, We cant let them do this it’s an injustice to stop this wonderful show. Are they discussing moving it to another channel?

  215. SciFiFX Podcast #6 | SciFiFX
    January 23, 2011 at 11:56 pm |

    […] SGU – One point of view – This is something that I think we all know/or have said in some way, but did not have a clear way to put to words. https://www.gateworld.net/news/2010/12/six-reasons-sgu-was-cancelled/ […]

  216. coach
    January 28, 2011 at 5:18 pm |

    We were a house divided. I liked the show, my wife hated it and predicted it’s cancellation. She felt it was too dark (both story and production values), too many stupid decisions by those in charge, too much infighting and constant bickering. Bringing in RDA for comic relief was too obvious and failed miserably. She had many more comments about the show, but is mostly content to gloat about her rather spot on cancellation prediction. She said it would be cancelled mid season two, and lo and behold – she was right. She’s going to be hard to live with for a while! ;-) Although I liked the show – the lack of actual aliens and adventure was irksome and the constant heavy drama was unrelenting, slow paced and sometimes just silly. Neither of us feel this is the end of the franchise, it is merely the end of a very bad spin off.

    By the way, my wife ordered Space Channel (here in Canada) 3 months before it actually premiered – so she is a fan of all thing sci-fi. She said from the first this show would not cut it no matter what night it aired, and she (unfortunately) was right. Let’s hope the next incarnation stays a little truer to the original Stargate – lighter, always funnier and adventuresome to the end.

  217. spudz
    January 29, 2011 at 10:59 pm |

    good analysis darren, i posted similar thoughts on another thread, hoping the link between execs and programme makers can be broken by direct online viewing.freeing showmakers from fickle execs would result in better programming.
    by the way, i think it was a good thing that the characters didnt all instantly like each other,i know sc-ifi is not real life, but the idea that scientists would find instant common ground with pure military types is not at all realistic /believable.i found it added to the drama,sci fi programming does need to grow up a bit with its audience, sci fi by numbers where they all band together to fight 2d baddies gets weary after a time. just my opinion.intelligent quality writing wins every time, leave tv viewers or casual viewers to their wrestling, ha!

  218. spudz
    January 29, 2011 at 11:10 pm |

    not previously having read @MAXHEADROOMS post on here i agree with it entirely, FREE US FROM NETWORK OVERLORDS!!! LOL

  219. tom_ato
    February 2, 2011 at 8:44 pm |

    I had to respond, albeit late, to this very good article regarding the sad cancellation of SGU.

    First I’ve seen Sanctuary and I think is sadly overrated. SGA was HORRIBLE and SG1 was very good in its own right but let’s face it, it was a light-hearted episodic series that, in my opinion tended to be very redundant.

    Funny thing is that when X-Files originally launched in the 90’s, I thought “man, this is an excellent show”. It wasn’t really until BSG that I thought “Holy crap, SciFi set the new bar for serious dramatic science fiction!”. Then when SGU came, I was in heaven. I think many have summed it up already: “serious”, “dramatic”, “cerebral”, “mature”, “dark”.
    Its really disheartening to see programming of this caliber get cancelled but thats the sad fact of the more “masses” fanbase of SG1. The ADD culture that loves watching another Will Smith-like Independence Day cheesy, campy, “oh no you didn!” script is what SyFy is patronizing. Everyone thinks that Wrestling is just for the money but understand this..its on SyFy because they know that the type of viewer that loves SG1 is really not far away from the same demographic. If they weren’t, no executive would ever sign such a contract! They go hand in hand unfortunately. So with the exception of Eureka and Warehouse 13, I will not be watching any more SyFy programming; and I’ll likely watch that on Hulu.

  220. Chief YYZ
    Chief YYZ
    February 8, 2011 at 5:11 pm |

    This article simply gives excuses for a very unpopular show. Is it possible it would still be on the air without marketing mistakes? Sure. It does nothing to address the fact that if it was liked by enough people, it would have endured despite such mismanagement.
    If you liked the show, great. I’m sorry a show you liked got cancelled. That does nothing to change the fact not enough people thought it worth watching for it to continue. Simply dismissing the opinions of anyone who didn’t think the show was worth an hour of thier life a week as disgruntled SG1 & SGA fans, people who “didn’t get it,” ADA afflicted children who only want to see explosions, aliens, and single episode resolutions is exactly what got this show cancelled.
    Introducing drama is not a bad thing imho, sacrificing all else for over-the-top high school drama is very off-putting to a lot of real sci-fi fans. Examining the psychology of the situation did not doom the show, focusing on the many faults of everyone constantly is too much for most people. Sure, people make mistakes and everyone is not a hero. Almost everyone contantly making dramatically selfish decisions with little or no regard for their fellow humans is just as far a cry from “realism” as everyone being a hero. Calling the show “cerebral” is just laghable, if you don’t classify the show as largely “emotional,” I’m not sure what show you’ve been watching. Balance was what was missing from SGU.
    Now time for my own personal rant on Rush:
    The guy is a psychopath. No regard for anyone but himself, he has constantly proven beyond any shadow of a doubt he cannot be trusted. Rediculous how everyone else is an idiot compared to him and cannot handle the simplist tasks without him berating them (fairly, of course) for incompetance. Young had Eli spying on him for the whole first season, then when he is unavailable and secretive for episodes at a time no one ever bothers to follow him to the bridge where he spends hours upon hours day after day?
    In summary 90% bad writing and ulikable characters, 10% marketing.

  221. Mes333
    February 16, 2011 at 12:29 pm |

    It is weird but if you look at all 3 stargates and what season they ended in, each progressively only lasted half as long as the one before it…

    SG-1 = 10 Season

    SGA = 5 Season

    SGU = 2 Season

    * Hey it should be 2.5 Season for SGU come on SyFy Give them another 10 episodes into Season 3 to make the half mark!!!!!!

  222. LesPaulLover
    February 17, 2011 at 12:38 am |

    While I agree with basically everything you said, it can NOT be ignored that Stargate: Atlantis was canceled in order to facilitate this series. The promise of an Atlantis movie was NOT delivered on, and they alienated **LOTS** of SG-1 and Atlantis fans as a result. This cannot be ignored.

    Atlantis fans were screaming since the end of season ONE for more character development. The canceling of Atlantis to facilitate a “character-driven” Stargate series was nothing short of a slap-in-the-face to long-time Stargate fans.

  223. lordqaz
    February 17, 2011 at 9:16 pm |

    If you want SGU back the best thing is to watch the next 10 episodes on SyFy when it first airs. If more people watch it there is a greater chance that SyFy will renew it. The show was canceled because it was not getting enough ratings on the first airing (the only one they really look at). Buy the Blu-rays and DVD’s when they come out, or buy it on iTunes, dont illegally download the show. If everyone who downloaded any SGU episode sat down and watched it on TV then the show might not have been cancelled.

  224. stormson
    February 22, 2011 at 2:31 am |

    i thought the show was great. a darker, grittier, slightly more realistic stargate (the aliens look alien and dont speak english). i enjoyed the characters and actors, unlike atlantis. im not surprised at the cancellation, as the mid-season breaks always put me off, however i will be sad to see it go.

    any thoughts about a fan petition to bring it back?

    shame a good show has to fall because the network cant figure out what theyre doing.

  225. sgseries fan
    sgseries fan
    March 1, 2011 at 11:57 pm |

    I stopped watching about five episodes in. The weird humorless melding of sci-fi and soap opera really put me off. I really didn’t like the molasse-slow, dreariness of it all. I kept hollering at the screen, “Would somebody turn on a goddamn light!”

  226. vala.malderan
    March 2, 2011 at 4:14 pm |

    Redleader makes a great point. Why not cut out the middle man and give SGU fans what they want. With technological advances come change. All the factors need to be adjusted in order to keep the show alive. Today’s shows can no longer rely on casual viewers. Do what needs to be done in order to make the show more available to online viewers. You can track how many view YouTube, Hulu, Netflix, and so on. Why should we keep loosing wonderful shows such as Caprica and SGU due to fuddies that cannot grip how technology is moving forward. Personally, we chose online avenues due to the fact that it is so much cheaper. I don’t have time to wait, I am busy and when I have a moment to myself I can watch to my hearts content. I am not your typical nerd. I am a full time mom, student, and long-time girlfriend who cleans house, studies, who relishes in spending quality time with her family.

    Old SG1 fans that hate the show obviously have a hard time with change, but for those of us faithful to the Stargate franchise, who have grown with i,t are thankful for a new realistic look and raw appeal that SGU emanates. I love the complicated story-lines, and characters you love to hate. They are relatable, strong, weak, and are trying to survive As well as gain knowledge in a world so different from our own.

    Thank you for posting this article, and I am very disappointed the show is gone. Let us hope they can wrap it up in ten shows without rushing it like the did in Caprica. What a horrible disapointment that was. SyFy is gaining a rep for ruining perfectly wonderful shows that are original to the core…they were worth watching. These shows are mingled in a sea of typical, formulated, predictable garbage most call entertaining. In my opinion, how is it that this show is even failing? I blame it on those exects that can’t quite step outside the box and see what we, as fans really want!

  227. aprilia1k
    March 3, 2011 at 3:40 pm |

    While knowing the ridiculousness of debate in matters of taste, I think the mean-spirited judgment is a bit over-the-top and argumentative. Early in the series, it seemed clear to me that the earlier success of the uber-dark “Galactica” had been a factor in some of the decisions made around SGU. I, like eryasdax, was a late-adopter and huge fan of SG1 and then SGA, the humor and good-always-triumphs sort of naivete was part of the charm, and while SG1 had some seriously ridiculous (molasses can convey sickening sweetness as well as movement in time) moments, it was fun stuff. Yeah, SGU was a huge change. But, it was excellent Science Fiction, and the acting was pretty high caliber in my opinion. Another SG1 or SGA would have failed even sooner. Times change. Demographics change. Many of those die-hard SG1 fans of yesteryear are no longer the advertiser’s targets. SGU is a great show in it’s own right and while I would personally welcome another Sci-Fi comedy like SG1, the heartwarming, comic-book superhero style is not the only Sci-Fi for me. SGU had great production, story depth, characterization – yes it was still growing halfway through season 2, but it was pretty strong if you gave it a chance (Which SyFy did not imho). Also, an important element I think, the audio production, what do we call it? Music production or whatever – brilliant. The selection and careful editing of music accompaniment during key moments to accentuate and drive home the emotional elements was frickin brilliant. Again, opinion of course. I hope that the numbers are staggeringly high for the final 10. I really think they should be. Let go of the need for more SG1, and give it a chance. The show definitely ended up grabbing me, despite it’s imperfections. I think it’s a shame that it’s been canceled.

  228. Secondtolast
    March 3, 2011 at 6:17 pm |

    I am disappointed in SGU being canceled. I believe that when the show first started, it was a bit slow and sat on the “survival” theme for too many episodes before attempting to create another storyline. That probably drove off a portion of potential viewers.
    However, I do disagree that the series was too dark to be a SG show. If it had the same humor as the first two it would have been called “SG1 on a ship” by many viewers. I liked the idea of an SG show where characters were more flawed.
    Once SGU started telling stories that weren’t survival-related (such as we’re out of water, air, etc.) then the show really picked up. Rush is a fantastic SG character and I was pleasantly surprised at how well Greer’s character has grown. Also, I enjoyed the larger cast where there were many minor characters that had lines rather than just nodding their heads and being fodder when deaths were needed.
    For me, SGU is way better than most of the crap SyFy now peddles. I can’t understand why people watch the ghost shows where week after week they show brief shadows and muffled sounds and play them off as ghosts. I also think SyFy missed the Twilight boat by a few years with Being Human.
    SGU hurt itself with a slow season 1 start, but SyFy could have put more into supporting the show as the story started to take off. I know one less viewer doesn’t matter to SyFy but they can keep their B grade movies, Ghost Hunters, and wrestling. That may be what SyFy is about these days, but its not why I used to watch your network.
    Maybe another network will pick up the rights to SG someday. Good luck to all the actors that were on the show, thanks for your efforts.

  229. edwardg
    March 8, 2011 at 2:31 pm |

    For those of you that are interested in attempting to help the show escape cancellation, join this facebook group!


  230. MFK59
    March 10, 2011 at 8:49 pm |

    No matter how much logic is applied to the reasons why SGU was cancelled, there really is no real logic to it. It’s almost as if SyFy wanted it to die. This appears to be part of a larger problem over at NBC. NBC is in the process of self destructing. Now they’re trying to make SciFi in to another Spike TV or G4. Look what G4 did, it absorbed TechTV and then destroyed all of Tech’s most popular programs. There was no logic in that and there’s no logic in cancelling SGU, FireFly, Caprica, etc. There are too many TV shows out there nowadays for even the most popular shows to garner huge viewer ratings. The bean counters need to understand that success it’s about overall ratings any more. SciFi fans are fanatical about high-tech shows. Horror movies, soap operas and wrestling are going to kill what is already known to be a proven successful TV network format.

  231. drdaviddthornton
    March 20, 2011 at 9:13 pm |

    Darin, It is quite simple actually. The writers deviated drastically from the plot lines that made both SG-1 and SGA hits. These followers were baited into watching SGU only to discover a slow paced, relationship intricate, story line of conspiracy and week to week betrayal. Both SG-1 and SGA centered around a main team of 4 that was then supported by everyone else. SGU had a head swimming weave of convoluted relationships where too many people were getting irrelevant camera time. The main obstacle of SGU was making almost all occur on the ship which could not be controlled. It became quite BORING which resulted in an ever downward spiraling loss of viewers. True SG-1 and SGA fans would NEVER like this show. Even diehard SG fans bailed. The creators attempted to “fix” something that was not “broke” and ended up breaking the bank.

  232. drdaviddthornton
    March 20, 2011 at 9:23 pm |

    Darren, Poster ChrisKura above proves my point perfectly. This person could not watch SG-1 or SGA but loved SGU. This is because it was a different model centering more on conspiracy, betrayal, and confrontation of the characters forced to be in permanent proximity to one another. Other than sharing the theme of a StarGate (which could not be used deliberately) and Ancient technology (which they could not control), the show was drastically different.

  233. booclause
    March 26, 2011 at 11:04 pm |

    Stargate BUILT the network!! Scifi was about showing the sci fi shows no one was showing. Now it is very popular on other networks. I hate to see the network turn its back on the real fans. They want to grab a new audiance but will lose the loyal fans they once had. I will watch FOX for FRINGE, ABC for V and THE CAPE. I will get my sci fi from somewhere ELSE!!!

  234. Milenko
    March 30, 2011 at 10:25 am |

    Why the hell is SGU being cancelled for real. I’ve followed the Stargate Franchise since day one.

  235. harpy
    April 2, 2011 at 7:36 pm |

    It’s too bad really, as I became a regular watcher on this second season. I do agree that they didn’t hook people quickly enough – they lost me part way through the first season although I did return part way through, mainly because of the three young characters, Chloe, Matt and Eli, and secondarily to see what would happen between Rush and the Colonel, and Camille who became more interesting, although neither Rush nor the Colonel were admirable. The power struggle was interesting.That said, I think Rush becomes more sympathetic, especially in his relationship with the scientist Mandy, and the Colonel also, after he euthanizes his crewmember who is unable to be saved and must be left behind. There is depth and complexity in these characters I would like to have seen explored and developed.
    I also like the Lou Diamond character and the terrorist additions – would have liked to see development between TJ and the good-looking terrorist who likes her. I also like the grittiness of SGU and was never an SG1 fan, although I sometimes watched Atlantis (go Rodney!). Agree that SGU not really anything like the other shows, it is more like Battlestar Galactica, which I watched faithfully despite its grimness. Maybe some of us prefer the darker side, although SGU could use some humour to give the audience a break – maybe that would have been the key to keeping an audience? Galactica got away with the relentlessly grim episodes due to amazing writing, casting and special effects. But it doesn’t quite work for SGU, which is not as brilliant. I still think the concept of the ship hurtling across the universe with its load of “accidental tourists” is a fascinating idea. Oh well. I still enjoy Eureka , Warehouse 13 (although Eureka’s campiness is better) and Haven, that wonderfully mysterious paranormal show that seems to cause some viewers mental confusion, LOL. Good luck cast and crew of SGU.

  236. Polantaris
    April 4, 2011 at 9:02 am |

    Honestly, #5 is a huge one for me. The show always continued to gain momentum while I watched, but right when it really hit an interesting point, it was dropped for a Mid-Season Finale. It’s the worst thing you can possibly do, especially to a series that you know isn’t doing so well in the first place. They knew it wasn’t doing well, so purposely end the season half way, so that people lose interest. That’s an amazing idea.

    I agree that SGU isn’t the easiest show to get into, which is a big factor in why the show got cancelled I believe. You needed to watch nearly every episode, because even if the main plot didn’t really matter in the long run, the sub plots had some sort of advancement that mattered throughout the episodes that followed.

    Honestly, I’ve not liked SyFy’s schedules for a while now. They should have left it where they knew it was working, when everyone else wasn’t doing anything. Granted, the other networks have started to show stupidity in those reality shows, but SyFy had established a foothold for a long time. It’s like taking your entire army to attack one fortress. You’re either going to get slaughtered, or you’re going to gain a huge advantage. The problem was that the fortress that SyFy attacked was in the wrong direction, and as a result even if they had won they wouldn’t have gained anything. What’s the point in going after fall lineups? They should have KNOWN they would never be successful. It’s an army of one million versus twelve million. There’s no possibility of victory. It’s like SyFy is a small country, and they attacked the US. They don’t have a chance.

    SyFy is continuing to lose viewship as far as I’ve seen. Shows are being cancelled left and right, and while I was never really a huge fan of Caprica, it did have it’s interesting points and it was more than watchable, which is saying a lot considering the other crap that’s around on the TV now-a-days.

    My point is simple: They continue to venture into grounds that they have no chance of getting anywhere in, and they continue to lose. SGU and Caprica are just the beginning of a large spiral downward.

  237. reasonate
    April 5, 2011 at 12:19 am |

    I think there are a few additional issues at play here. As noted by everyone else, one of the biggest problems is that SGU, although a well-crafted series, is just so different from the other SG shows, that the people who like the other SG shows didn’t like this one, and vehemently disliked it because it was not the way things were usually done with SG shows. So, a lot of the SG fans not only bailed, but tried to take down SGU. That is problem one.

    Problem two is that (not always, but generally) the kind of people who would find SGU appealing, didn’t like the other SG shows, so when yet another SG show came out, those folk didn’t bother to find out that SGU might have been a show they would like. If they thought the other shows were lame, why would they take interest in and start watching another SG show that they assumed would be more of the same.

    So, the problem was, the people who would have really liked the show were biased against it because they didn’t like the other SG shows,and thus never discovered and supported this show. And then the people who loved the way the other SG shows were done felt like it was too different and too subtle/slow for not just the kinds of shows they like, but for what they had come to love in their SG shows.

    So, Syfy needed to market SGU to a different type of fan, the kind of people who DIDN’T like any of the previous Stargates, while maintaining Atlantis or doing a similar style show for the longtime fans of the traditional SG shows.

  238. gafteci
    April 8, 2011 at 7:48 pm |

    I have to say that I really like(d) SGU, a lot!! I’ve watched a few episodes of SG1 and thought it was O.K. But, I never got into either SG1 or SGA.
    The reason I like SGU so much is that it is not campy like SG1. It’s more serious and believable(I know, it’s SyFi). The characters are more developed in the 1 1/2 years it’s been on then the SG1 characters were for the whole series. They act more like real people would than the other 2 SG shows.
    SGU is to SG1 as Star Trek: TNG is to the original Star Trek. Although I loved Star Trek and the campiness of it, TNG was so much better!

  239. Lethedethius
    April 10, 2011 at 3:52 pm |

    I’ve been watching stargate since I was a kid, I think I in part joined the military (although I joined the Army not Air Force) because of SG-1. It’s my belief that SG-1 took Sci Fi to a whole new level, they had new airings of it, and then Fox would re-run it… Atlantis was a great thrill also and I was REALLY looking forward to SGU! I’ve been holding on to every episode waiting for Rush to screw up again and get beat up again by the Colonel! And of course everyone geek (myself included) loves a genius fat gamer who gets involved in top level classified stuff!

    This show will be missed, they should have at least gave it another season so it could wrap up the story line. They get rid of SGU but air snooky and a bunch of divas?? Seriously, shame on the SyFy network, I won’t watch them again, the only other show I liked was Eureka, Thank you HULU!

  240. jack pleasance
    jack pleasance
    April 17, 2011 at 12:35 pm |

    The bitterness of Atlantis fans, while understandable, has contributed to the cancellation of SGU, and has poisoned the SG community, with each faction bickering about which “movie” they want to see, and where the few dwindling SG resources should be allocated. This “crabs in a barrel” approach will sadly result in no SG on TV. As someone who gave SGU a chance and liked the direction (admittedly a course correction) that the second season was going in, it is sad to see. Usually the fan base works together. When it tears itself apart like this, well, I guess maybe it is time to move on. As for SyFy, how can you trust them, while I agree with some of their reasoning, as outlined in the article, the conclusion is clear; time to look for quality programming elsewhere. Game of Thrones anyone?

  241. Ari Ben-Hadar
    Ari Ben-Hadar
    April 21, 2011 at 11:15 pm |

    SGU was a great show. Robert Carlyle is by leaps and bounds the most talented actor on the station. Tough break on being cancelled! It boggles the mind that people actually watch Sanctuary… Amanda Tapping in a wig with an extremely fake accent, with plots as riveting as “Sliders”? LOL. I love Col. Carter and all, but the show wrecks havoc on her cred w/ me as far as what she does down the line from here. Pure comedy.

    No Caprica, no SGU… no reason for me to watch Syfy… wrestling? Good gravy, what smeg do the execs have for brains!? This is even dumber and shows less integrity to the mission statements of the station than the History Channel putting “Ice Road Truckers” out did. Sheesh.

    I have a mind to write SyFy and tell them I have washed my hands clean of their station and laugh mockingly at what programming they have retained in lieu of what was actually descent. Since I am in a sour mood over SGU being cancelled I think I might write the sponsors of WWE and Sanctuary and let them know I boycott their products based upon their involvement in the decimation of quality Science Fiction television.

    LOLOL a WWE commercial is now playing on SyFy during Sarah Connor Chronicles [yet another great show tossed away due to the commonality of stupidity in the world!… why watch scifi when Dancing w/ the Stars is on!! :barf:] — Wrestling fans… nothing like two greased up steroid freaks grappling each other in some “hot man on man action”. If I ran a gay porn company WWE would be my #1 show to run ads on.

  242. tsnocturne
    April 23, 2011 at 8:07 am |

    I just wanted to say that i hated the first season and like the first 7 episodes of the second. Now that phase 2 of season 2 is out im FINAllY liking the show. Nice story arc, aliens, weird time travel etc, Great Scifi stuff. What was it before? Drama Drama Drama mutiny Drama more drama oh and the odd other planet for supplies so they dont die and can have MORE DRAMA. Was not impressed. Ill watch desperate house wives if i want drama, i watch Scifi for a reason, so do other people who watch scifi. *Some* drama,discord, and relationship developement for the crew is fine, just dont forget – its suppose to be scifi. I was seriously hoping every time i watched a boring episode of drama they would cancel it so the movie sequels could get underway, now – just barely – i regret the cancellation. Long and short. Started too slow. way to slow. 1 1/2 seasons of mostly drama is shameful for something with stargate in the name. I understand wanting to to start small, but hey, they could have explored plenty of planets found tons of neat stuff and so on and still had their big master plan for the story. But its over now, at least now there is a chance they will make the movie sequels.

  243. The Barcode Guy
    The Barcode Guy
    April 25, 2011 at 3:51 pm |

    I agree with Ari, by casting it’s net for a wider prime time audience, SyFy is ignoring it’s core audience. It seems that a lot of people are blaming season one for the cancellation, but I see it necessary not only as character development, but also production development. Season two becomes obvious that the writers and actors have settled in and are comfortable with the characters and growing them in the “Universe” they are living in. The unfortunate cancellation of SGU was not a symptom of a show that didn’t have a fan base to support the advertising; I believe it is a symptom that the “SyFy” network no longer wants to cater to science fiction fans. SGU would have done better on the Discovery Science channel where a theoretical physicists like Dr. Micho Kaku can make commentary on the episodes like he does for the Firefly re-runs. Like Firefly, SGU is a good show that was canceled just as the show was finding its legs. Hopefully like Firefly and the other Stargate series, they will create a feature film that will close the story arc elegantly.

  244. jacque
    April 26, 2011 at 1:27 am |

    This show deserves a SECOND chance to prove it self. I hate to say it but we all know that when writers attempt to do something diffrent they never put into consideration of what the people want. Ounce they realized the show was being canceled, they stepped up the action and peaked our interest. Now only 3 episodes left WHAT A SHAME

  245. Finrod Felagund
    Finrod Felagund
    April 26, 2011 at 9:37 am |

    There is one more reason for it, which is nevertheless very significant: SyFy can’t cope with the global world. They decided to officially ignore us, viewers in the EU (and we are many) and they didn’t offer us any alternative, than Rapidshare. Distributing the episodes with 2 years delay and with ridiculous dubbing I don’t call an alternative. How many viewers are there in other first world countries, such as Japan, Taiwan, Australia or New Zealand? The world doesn’t consist of the US and Canada only, you should understand this. If anyone offered me to download or stream legally SGU at the same time it’s available in the US for, let’s say, 2-3 € without ads within the show, I would have accepted that, and I truly believe I would not be the only one! You simply need to change your business model to be more global. We are people too, even if not American/Canadian.

  246. Man
    April 28, 2011 at 3:03 pm |

    1st post here…
    Im kinda bummed its going off. It was the weakest of the SG’s IMO, due to weaker character interactions, lack of humor (real life has more humor even in intense situations); but it had its merits & was an INTERESTING plot.
    Oh well…

  247. Dan_Cochran
    April 28, 2011 at 8:44 pm |

    I just took time to make a account here, Just to say that after I see these Last 2 ending SGU episodes comming up, I’m BEEPING Done with this SyFy channel’s Crap ! Not very often I even watch TV, But them Friday Stargate night kinda grew on me over the last many years, then Tuesday Crap started, Tuesday’s are no good with me and TV. But I stayed up-to-date on SGU,so I was still happy. I think US stargate Fan’s are getting Screwed with not even a kiss first ! Like many people on this Page Said “they never put into consideration what the people want” If they Bring back a 3rd and 4th season I might forgive them, But all in all I have talked to ALOT of people that feel the same way. SyFy should really listen to us viewers sometimes.

  248. Karen Cochran
    Karen Cochran
    April 28, 2011 at 9:11 pm |

    I have been a Stargate fan since the beginning with the Stargate movie and Stargate SG-1. We own all of the Stargate seasons so far. I love both SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis.I have to admit that when my husband and I first started watching SG-U I wasn’t really into it, but I stayed watching and don’t want to amagine not being able to watch it all the way through. This season has me hooked. I hope and pray they bring SG-U back. Please bring it back!!!!

  249. rome6910
    April 29, 2011 at 1:13 pm |

    SGU was Stargate with BALLS! It was dark, gritty and REAL! People are complicated and the way things went down in the storyline made it all the more enjoyable for me than the previous 2 shows. In fact, the episode where Col.Young mercy-killed one of his men was the reason I changed my mind about Stargate being pseudo-sci-fi drak in the first place. It made me want to watch THE WHOLE THING just to get caught up to that moment. So that’s what I did. Fifteen Seasons and 3 films later I got to watch a Stagate storyline reach its FULL Human potential as a REAL story with REAL characters and REAL drama. I’m sorry, but that’s what real sci-fi is all about and when I see it done as perfect as this it just makes me sad that anyone would prefer a quip from RDA (he woulda been dismissed from duty a 1000 times over in the real world)over Rush’s cold superior stare. At least I have the satisfaction in knowing my original thoughts about why SG1 & SGA were popular were justified: television viewers, like pop-radio listeners, are only comfortable with something familiar. I’m glad I watched the originals but I hate that their fans ruined the best part of the franchise! LONG LIVE SGU! T’ealc, Ronan and the rest are fun…but Eli, Rush, Scott, Young, TJ, Chloe and Wray were REAL!

  250. mariachi1
    May 2, 2011 at 1:08 am |

    I agree whit Finrod Felagund
    I’m fan but I become one beacons I see the show on internet I don’t have cable or sat for me it don’t make sense. The real thing about the biasness today and me is that the people what something went they want. This is the new world ask apple. I pay all what I can if you give me what I’m want went I’m want. now hulu have my attention and itunes. If MGM going to evolve and take the future I wish SG whit SGU do it too… I’m going to wait, if not I’m continuing to see the old one in my pc and phone.

  251. Eileen Fay
    Eileen Fay
    May 3, 2011 at 11:13 am |

    Excellent article, Darren. I had not thought of so many technical reasons as you did, but you obviously did your research well.
    I had two reasons off the top of my head when I heard SGU was cancelled: the general dumbing down and short attention spans of today’s audiences (especially in the U.S.), and the short-sighted impatience of network executives.

    I have long deplored the excess of cheap, shallow reality shows, yet they seem to be what most Americans watch. I can’t stand them and never watch them. I like a well-written story and real characters, which SGU provides. I find it tragic that the fine cast and apparently intelligent producers and writers have been dumped so callously by SyFy (stupid new name! SciFi was better.)

    And to end the second season on a cliff-hanger is downright cruel to their loyal fans!
    Like another fine dramatic show, “Intelligence,” by the brilliant Chris Haddock, which was cut after only two short seasons by the idiot CBC, good drama goes begging while we get stuck with phony “celebrities” on utter drivel like “The Jersey Shore,” and the innumerable housewives pap goes on and on. Sickening, just sickening.

    I confess I never cared for the first two Stargate series. But SGU hooked me from the start, largely because of the genius Scottish actor, Robert Carlyle. That man could make the phone book riveting. Have you seen his incredible long-form commercial for Johnny Walker? One long take, walking through Scotland while reciting the history. The man is amazing. And I don’t even drink!

    But back to SGU, it is such a pity. Shame on the knuckleheads at Syfy, and shame on fans for not revolting and demanding it finish a 5-year run, at least.

  252. Dianastar
    May 4, 2011 at 2:57 am |

    I love alot shows, most are syfy. Sometimes it takes a loooong time before I become connected to the actors. But in this show I found it was SOOO well written, that I loved some and hated some almost the first show, which I thought I was going to hate. I was under the impression that I wouldnt like it because of the original stargate……NOT the case…….it had a little of everything in it for the true syfy fan!!!! This show had ENDLESS possibilities…..thats what I loved most about. Again I will say it was impossibly WELL written. As a true syfy fan to the end, I am so devastated that SGU is no longer going to air, when its gone so will space be gone off of my sat. I will never watch it again……and I am probly going to cry my eyes out with the last ep. of SGU……….alllllll because of ratetings….STUPID MOVE to get rid of this show…….ok, said my peace, will miss you SGU,awesome actors,and incredible writers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!……:(

  253. Ragozy
    May 9, 2011 at 8:22 am |

    Yes, I remember the still star picture as the SciFi channel began it’s life and through the years have often wondered, “Just what are they doing?”

    In the beginning, it was fun to see the old shows. You ended up with a good feeling and a smile watching Will and Dr. Smith; jumping with the Time Tunnel and sliding with the Sliders. And let’s not forget Sam – Dean Stockwell was and is a treasure! My younger years have become, “…those easier times.” The Stargate franchise – all three of them – were good and gathered in slices of the population. SG-1 was geared towards the characters. Who didn’t love Jack? Who didn’t want Daniel to find happiness? The weekly “adventures” were fun and easy to understand. Good show. I watch the reruns every chance I get. SG-Atlantis. Great idea, worked out the kinks and made it plausable. The character were still growing and getting their own followings, but sadly we lost the show. SGU – wonderful, mature, and still adventuresome. The characters are precisely what I think the writers wanted. Gritty, hard, confused, and hoping for the best. Loved every episode.

    Yep, Friday night with the SciFi channel was a sure thing. Until…

    Wrestling? How does that work out? Now, I accepted Saturday’s “monster” films. It’s a shame really, to have enough money to make a film specifically for SciFi and decide on snakes, dragons and bugs. To me, it seems the directors have talent, they just need to broaden the subject matter. I like to think that SciFi is still a young channel, but nah, that won’t do. I think that for the title of the station – they’ve hired unimaginative people to run it…

  254. wandererxman
    May 9, 2011 at 7:28 pm |

    Sick and tired of them canceling all the good programs worth watching. The only reason they are canceling SGU is because is is cheaper to have a couple of people jumping around in tights pretending to beat each other up. Once SGU is canceled I have no reason to watch SYFY any further as they have completely dropped anything related to science and have completely given up an programming integrity as far as I am concerned.

  255. Ragozy
    May 10, 2011 at 8:09 am |

    Wandererxman – I don’t entirely agree with you on that point. There are some decent original Sci-Fi shows running. I like Sanctuary, Eureka and Warehouse 13. I think because they are on the edge of the real world that I live in – it’s easier to make, design or make-up plausible explanations for why what happens and how. I wasn’t a BG fan, nor Capria – although I did like most of the actors. For some reason it didn’t appeal to me from the first show. Maybe I didn’t get it enough time with it (*shrugs*). But what that means is now, with SGU gone – I move away even more from SCIFI – and that’s a shame. There was a time when it was a staple, not a last choice. No idea how things get done in that business, I wonder has the parent lost faith in what the Sci-Fi channel could be and left off assigning creative people to it? As earlier said, there is money at the channel, but no motivation to push that envelope. I’m sure all of us readers have ideas, but when I go to the site, its complainers, kids and jokers. There isn’t a thread for serious discussion – perhaps because they don’t want it.

  256. besen85
    May 11, 2011 at 3:18 pm |

    I used to watch the sci-fi channel all the time till they got wrestling on it I just dont understand the logic behind it and now that stargate universe is gone there is no reason to even watch it at all guess they should have moved stargate universe to a better time slot and had more airings as this long wait between seasons was just bad the same with eureka that was one of the best shows ever but the long wait between seasons is unreal .
    its sad a station that susposed to deal with sci-fi shows has shows that are anything but sci-fi .
    Well Sci-fi this is GOOD BYE .

    email me when you pull your head out of your [email protected]([email protected] and get it stright

  257. surf2679
    May 14, 2011 at 10:28 pm |

    I am so dissapointed in the cancellation of this amazing and gorgeous show. I don’t even watch much tv and I found this on netflix and am so blown away by the acting, the visuals and the raw nature of the stories. This show should be the flagship of the station, and should set the standard for tv. The writing needed some time to really hit it’s peak, but it was solid. I am really surprised that more people did not find their way to this show. Thank you for the insight, great article.

  258. huyt34
    August 23, 2011 at 5:41 am |

    I know I’m really late but I didn’t have time to watch the show on syfy I had to catch it on Hulu. Im very disapointed it was cancled. Now we have nothing. Don’t get me wrong, Sanctuary is a decent show to pass the time, but its no SGU. I can’t believe we’re losing SGU over Sanctuary… I liked SGU, and they would have had so much more to grow up with. It took a little to warm up to, but now I wish they would go on for as many seasons as possible. I feel slightly responsible as a fan who didn’t directly support it in some way. I watch plenty of commercials watching it on hulu and rewinding back and forth between commercial points…

  259. walid852001
    September 18, 2011 at 3:45 am |

    i believe after Stargate makes a movie or find another network > Syfy will come crying to have it back, i have faith stargate will go on ( come on SG-1 gone for 10 seasons) and i think SGU has a good potentials for a lot of seasons , yes season 1 has some episodes in the middle that wasn’t good enough but season 2 was amazing .. by the way i never heard about syfy until SGU was started , and of course syfy takes all blames for the cancellation after moving SGU from Friday to Tuesday by the money of the wrestling , but for me i will keep watching stargate even if it was displayed on bathroom papers

  260. walid852001
    September 18, 2011 at 4:30 am |

    made a lot of my friends watching the show and they liked the idea a lot and started to watch SG1 and SGA as well .. and now Universe is cancelled .. in Egypt the last man was addicted to wrestling STOPPED 4 years ago cause it became hoks and without a style … etc , and what da [email protected]&* wrestling is doing in Sci-fi channel , Actually i like the characters too much cause it’s a way of making a group of Starring role not only one or two or three .. as some people is saying about being confused who’s the hero … one last thing (since 94 StarGate is still most of time number *1*) and the only competition it’s having is from Eureka

  261. Wilber
    October 9, 2011 at 10:28 pm |

    I guess I need to log on more often, this is a total surprise to me. I’ve been waiting to hear when they were going to start this up again. Of course my wife will be thrilled as she thinks that SyFi is a program that make no sense at all. Anyway now we will never know if he fixed the last sleep booth and if the crew wakes up in 5 yrs or a 1000 yrs. I just wonder if this entire thing is just a marketing ploy to see how loud everyone will scream and the show comes back with a vengence. Really I thouht it was one of the best thought out and most realistic shows of its type that has been brought to air since the last incarnation of Star Trek. Well one can hope that someone will have the guts to pull the Friday Night Smack down grabage off the air. Really think it is worse that the soaps.

  262. Katahu
    October 12, 2011 at 9:01 pm |

    I for one am glad Stargate is no longer a part of SyFy. Don’t get me wrong, I loved the Stargate franchise from beginning to end. The character development, the story arcs, the emotional attachment one gains from watching the series. It’s just the network that I hate. It no longer deserved the right to air a great science-fiction series after all the B.S. the network put the show through. I had more enjoyment watching all episodes of SG1, SGA, and SGU on either DVD, Itunes or Netflix. SyFy has fallen from grace so hard it’s not even funny. I just hope SGU comes back in another network rather in SyFy.

  263. KittyK
    January 2, 2012 at 9:04 pm |

    I was really disappointed to read these comments. For years I have watched sci-fi, somewhere between a cheerfully supportive wife and a semi-mutinous grump. I have, however, been surprised at how much I have enjoyed some shows. I particularly looked forward to Stargate, admittedly as much for its proclivity to cast exceptionally attractive male actors (playing – relatively- smart men) as much as the witty and self-aware repertoire. Yes, often the storyline was engaging, if lacking in depth. I shrugged and nodded when my husband, and lately my son (getting old!) asked to press play on the latest DVD. Then along came SGU. At first I was gutted. What, no Col Cameron? No Daniel Jackson? No Sheppard? No Dex? Just a bunch of older, less attractive men and a few pretty boys? My hand almost involuntarily moves towards the remote, my nearest and dearest look aghast… But, despite my cynicism (and my shameful penchant for rugged SG-types), I found myself completely drawn in to season 1. It was darker, but so much cleverer, than previous SG incarnations.
    Don’t you see how much better it is? How smarter the storyline; planting idea seeds for future episodes and delving into more stimulating meta-physical dilemmas? Real characters portrayed by better actors? Slow moving??? My god, most science fiction barely moves at all compared to the concepts and scenarios that Season 1 raised.
    I have just tonight finished watching Season 2. It was not as good. Dumbed down, I thought, to be honest. More predictable sci-fi material. We sat there making comments such as ‘oh they did this in ST TNG/ Farscape/ BG’, ‘the Cylons are back’ and of course ‘well he’s been a red shirt all episode’. (and see what a buff I have become despite myself).
    But that doesn’t take from the fact that it is far better than anything (sci-fi) I have seen (through whatever form of inducement) for a long time. It is not just that I have been seduced by the darker, grittier modality – influenced by Battlestar Galactica – although I admit I have been. It has been so entertaining that I don’t need my eye-candy to get me through another alien encounter where there is little hope and much prediction of doom (but miraculously all key characters survive almost unscathed).
    In short, I liked it. And I hate the thought of that poor child Eli left indefinitely saving the day while everyone else gets some shut eye. It is not over, the fat lady had not sung. Please bring it back and finish the story.

  264. ApplePotato
    May 15, 2012 at 9:49 pm |

    To be honest, thinking back to SG-1 and SGA they both have pretty stiff acting, boring sometimes repetitive story lines. It is like a garbage daytime soap with some crappy CGI and a fancy set. That kind of stuff would have never attracted new fans to the series now days and the writers knew that. They try to copy the Lost formula but failed because they went with the wrong network. To be honest which 18 to 25 year old would stay home on Friday night just to watch TV. Also watching Star Trek or Stargate or any sic-fi TV Shows aren’t cool anymore. I guess it is just hard for Syfy to get younger demographics. And WWE? The execs at Syfy are just too out of touch with reality.

    SGU has a long arc and suspense approach which is very similar to Lost and Prison Break. And the audiences that likes these kind of shows are on Fox , ABC or CBS not on Syfy. The producer should have pitched the show to other networks instead of Syfy.

  265. rtrm
    November 30, 2012 at 3:42 pm |

    What killed SGU for me, was how they opened the door for something brilliant, but failed to execute it. I kept watching hoping for it to be opened up, which it didn’t. I mean, they’re on a ship so far away from the milky way, and pegasus, yet they spent the majority of their time on the ship, and in the off chance of going to another planet, there was always NOTHING there. Where as SG1 and SGA: there were civilizations and lots of people who spoke english. Yet in SGU, there’s nobody but the same dreadful characters that were annoying all the way through. Aside from that, I also didn’t like how there were always stupid little scenes that just seemed like a time filler as apposed to contributing to the show. I mean, the whole hallucinations of Scott marrying Chloe? wtf was up with that? there’s other ones that leave me tossing my hands up going “what was the point of that?”

    Overall, the whole SGU series had the potential concept to be exciting and great, but instead moved like a slow boring movie (IE Twilight) with lots of filler scenes that did nothing for it.

    The above, is why SGU died. It was just too lame.

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