199 Responses

  1. SGUnite
    January 23, 2011 at 4:29 pm |

    Thanks for linking to us! :).

    I’ve still got hope for a third season. Even if it’s a shorter season, as long as it wraps up the main points, I’ll be happy.

  2. Jauh0
    January 23, 2011 at 4:49 pm |

    I don’t that there’s gonna be a third season. The fanbase is so rifted and SyFy is more in to wrestling, disappointing fans, and getting their shows cancelled these days. I just hope that another channel(preferably one that lives up to its name) takes over broadcasting the show. What we need is a miracle. Nothing less will do.

  3. Jauh0
    January 23, 2011 at 4:54 pm |

    And I don’t think that SyFy(isn’t it combined with NBC or something?) will listen to anything else but $w€€£ old currency. What we need is a gazillion billion dollars.

  4. SGUnite
    January 23, 2011 at 5:01 pm |

    Jauh0, it may only require $15 million as Brian J. Smith pointed out, but I’m not sure if he made that number up or if that’s the actual amount that is needed. Still, that’s a lot.
    Source: http://twitter.com/BrianJacobSmith/status/28753238966673408

  5. GavinR
    January 23, 2011 at 5:36 pm |

    I cannot see a 3 season it not putting the rating and it not even a great show, it has got better in season 2 but the damage was already done and with the “we not making SG:A movies because u did not watch SG:U (i have watch all SGU)” I’ve lost all respect for these people

  6. Ryster
    January 23, 2011 at 5:38 pm |

    No offense, but why did you need a tip from the organiser of the Spread The Stargate Love campaign for you to report on all these efforts? Even the most casual of fan couldn’t have missed all the twitter and facebook activity, as the various websites that have sprung up.

    Shocking then that a site promoting itself as the “complete” Stargate resource either didn’t notice, or couldn’t be bothered to report on it.

  7. TV Junkie
    TV Junkie
    January 23, 2011 at 5:40 pm |

    What we really need is a cable network dedicated to airing science-fiction programs.

  8. rambosmurf
    January 23, 2011 at 5:44 pm |

    Craig Engler (@Syfy on twitter) a senior executive at Syfy has stated many times that such petitions and campaigns simply do not work anymore because every show that gets canceled does this. And in the end, it really doesn’t work as Firefly and Jericho have unfortunately shown. On top of that, for every show that gets canceled people go to Syfy and ask if they are going to pick it up, which they don’t do anymore.

    All the people signing these are the same people who already watch the show and therefor they don’t matter, if you want this show to come back you have to somehow show Syfy that there are a bunch of new people that started watching the show not just the same group of the already to few, that did watch.

  9. possumms
    January 23, 2011 at 6:17 pm |

    I hate Syfy they are just wrong I think people should just defect from them not use them at all

  10. Browncoat1984
    January 23, 2011 at 6:33 pm |

    While I’m not 100% convinced we’ll not see SGU in SOME form next season yet, I’m also not holding my breath that these campaigns will do any good, because the only times I’ve ever seen them work in modern times in any form is with Firefly and Farscape.

    I’m starting to resign myself to the fact that not only will there not be any Stargate on TV next season but that in general there might not be much genre programming on networks at all next season, except for The Walking Dead and Dr. Who and maybe a few shows on SyFy, as my favorite shows continue to perform poorly since they’ve returned from their breaks.

    Lets face is, genre fans look towards other means to watch their favorite SF shows these days, its showing in the ratings and networks are ignoring that fact.

  11. jimv1983
    January 23, 2011 at 6:48 pm |

    I can understand when this happened for SG-1 and Atlantis but I’m surprised that it’s happening for Universe. I’ve been a Stargate fan from the beginning and was upset when SG-1 and Atlantis were cancelled but I haven’t really cared that Universe got cancelled.

  12. wnelson
    January 23, 2011 at 6:56 pm |

    First off, I’d like to pick up the problem with the SGUnite campaign. It’s a death dealer…and obviously people who do not know the way things work. Their tip about contacting any other networks. Even IF (and it’s a big IF) another channel didn’t know SGU is cancelled a simple search would reveal it. Amatuers!

    As for the cancellation and fan response to it. I’d like to make a plee:


    Now, I am a fan of SG:1 SG:A and I actually thought that SG:U was okay. It was by no means great and certainly didn’t live up to the previous shows.

    I don’t think SG:U should be renewed or given a stay of execution. Put simply: it costs too much! Anything that costs as much does not deserve to be produced.

    Right here and right now a show can be put together to the same quality SO much cheaper. There are very successful shows being produced right now for less than $75,000 a season. There is just no excuse (other than the exorbitant cost of actors) that any show should cost as much as SG:U cost to make.

    Apart from the cost SG:U is a mediocre show. It had a shot, it failed. I can’t honestly think of a good reason that SG:U should go on any further. So what if there are questions unanswered? It’s not the first time it happened and it won’t be the last.

    My campaign (if I were to run one) would be called: “Support the cancellation by e-mailing people any letting them know it was the right descision”. It is what I will be doing.

  13. kellx
    January 23, 2011 at 7:13 pm |

    Any new stargate would be great

  14. Donsta
    January 23, 2011 at 7:26 pm |

    I’m hoping that we can at least get a mini-series to wrap up the show. Anything beyond that would be gravy.

  15. ngreen
    January 23, 2011 at 7:39 pm |


    I’m not sad to see SGU go either but…

    Sure it’s possible to make shows on a smaller budget. But if networks can make several million dollars from airing an episode (advertising etc.) then smaller budget shows just mean lower quality viewing for us and more profit for the networks.

    That’s why we’re plagued with so much “reality” television.

    In SGU’s case budget is a big issue because the viewership isn’t big enough to warrant the 2 million they spend on making each episode. SG-1 and SGA had smaller budgets and more viewers so they’ve really gone backwards financially.

    In comparison, I think Sanctuary episodes come in at about 1 million an episode (I saw an interview with Tapping where she said an entire season cost 20 million to produce) and more people watch it.

  16. The Tenth Doctor
    The Tenth Doctor
    January 23, 2011 at 7:40 pm |

    Not a chance, guys. Come on. Enough is enough. SGU is a toxic product, nobody is gonna touch it. I’ll be amused to be proved wrong.

  17. wnelson
    January 23, 2011 at 7:55 pm |


    I actually wasn’t necessarily referring to traditional TV. A lot of good creative stuff is coming out from the edges these days. I could list 9 or 10 good shows that could be made on a tiny budget, but be the same quality that we are used to.

    Sanctuary is one of those. In fact that’s where it started (small budget web-tv show).

    The Guild, Carpool, Anyone but Me, David Michell’s Soapbox, Re-invent the Wheels…there is something for everyone and all good “traditional TV quality”.

    I personally think that web TV shows will become the pilots of the future…the cream of these being transferred (if the creator has that aim).

    The old model of commissioning new shows needs to die quickly. As you point out, it’s why we’ve got reality TV. If shows had a proving ground and were then picked up it makes far more sense.

    I tend to think these small scale shows are much better because time is precious. You can’t afford to waste time on set-up or runners or producers or extra crew, you do the set-up quickly before the actors arrive and shoot and go. No messing about. You have to be quick and efficient. That’s what’s needed in TV now…not hoardes of unnecessary crew, not massive set-up times. Quick, small and cheap. In no curcumstances should an episode of any show require more than 10 crew (including writer, costume, set and props).

    Traditional studios now have too much bloat slim them down and cut the fat.

  18. Gate_Fan
    January 23, 2011 at 8:17 pm |

    They should never have cancelled Atlantis for SGU. I bet they’re feeling dumb now.

  19. Skiznot
    January 23, 2011 at 9:01 pm |

    Some of you may be surprised that there’s a fan base fighting to save SGU just like the SGU fanbase was surprised that gate fans and fans of science fiction in general didn’t give more suport to SGU which was clearly superior to the previous two SG shows. Why would you make a plea for people not to show support their show. Whether it’s futile or not it’s our choice to show our support and let the writers/producers and actors know that they got it right and that science fiction fans appreciate their ground breaking work.

  20. Sparky
    January 23, 2011 at 9:09 pm |

    @wnelson For quality you need people. Just look at few low budget films on “that channel”. Lower the budget and lower the number of people working on something and you’ll inevitably end up with something that people will not watch more than a few minutes of, science fiction is notoriously expensive for quality and in the case of SGU I think worth every penny.

  21. bellboy
    January 23, 2011 at 9:11 pm |

    It’s nice to see Gateworld is still the bedrock of positive thinking as always… >:(
    Good luck guys. For everyone’s sake. (Myself included.)

  22. charcad
    January 23, 2011 at 9:20 pm |


    The best chance to continue SGU in some form is while the sets are still standing. Once these are demolished the revival cost bar is raised a lot higher.

    The existing SGU sets are a sunk cost. I expect that nearly 90% of the current per episode costs are personnel costs in one form or another.

    Getting these down to a point where revenue exceeds cost of goods sold is the key to restoring profitability.

    “Traditional studios now have too much bloat slim them down and cut the fat.”

    MGM’s recent journey through Chapter 11 bankruptcy might have engendered a renewed commitment to lean production operations.

    The key questions are:

    1. Can MGM can develop other distribution channels for the Stargate franchise?


    2. Produce product for less than the available revenue from those channels?

    If so then some form of S-G will likely continue.


    This is MGM-TV’s list of TV properties. The SG franchise is clearly more valuable to MGM than its next four TV series put together. The next most successful series in that list is Animal Atlas.

    NBC-Universal-Syfy isn’t final. They have a long corporate tradition of making disastrous programming decisions based on utter ignorance of their audiences. As Dave Letterman observed of NBC executives, “if they didn’t know what they were doing, they wouldn’t be there.”

  23. Jauh0
    January 23, 2011 at 9:20 pm |

    @bellboy: For the sake of our mental health.
    btw, has anyone noticed that if you say anything bad about SGU on this site, it get’s cencored?

  24. Chevron Atlantis
    Chevron Atlantis
    January 23, 2011 at 9:34 pm |

    @Skiznot The show barely had any Sci-Fi at all to be honest. It was more of a drama driven show than Sci-Fi.

  25. SGUnite
    January 23, 2011 at 9:36 pm |


    Yes, I’m planning to update the plan tomorrow, thanks for reminding me.

    I know that emailing SyFy won’t help. Telling them they’ve made the right decision won’t help either though.

    Also, I think you meant $750,000 per season, not $75,000, right? :P


  26. charcad
    January 23, 2011 at 9:41 pm |


    I wrote several bad things about SGU and it wasn’t censored.

    The Star Gate franchise possesses one other advantage held by few other shows. This an immense reservoir of institutional goodwill in the US Air Force and the US Department of Defense in general.

    It’s intangible but “goodwill” has long been recognized as a real asset for accounting purposes. (except by NBC, which has no goodwill from anyone anywhere).

  27. TheDudeDean
    January 23, 2011 at 9:50 pm |

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  28. Scott Watson
    January 23, 2011 at 9:44 pm |

    @Chevron Atlantis So what you’re saying is that it was a Sci-fi Drama show instead of Sci-fi Adventure?

  29. Skiznot
    January 23, 2011 at 11:44 pm |

    @Chevron Atlantis. Fans of Astronomy find plenty of sci-fi. Tidally locked planets, gas giants, exo-bological speculation, binary pulsars, the cosmic microwave background. The hole premise was about surviving in words where humans didn’t evolve. If you don’t consider exploration of astronomy first hand via ftl science fiction then I don’t know what science fiction is. The core of SGU was exploring what’s out there.

  30. Joe Friday
    Joe Friday
    January 24, 2011 at 12:13 am |

    I could see a TV movie, or 2 part mini-series being done to wrap up SGU’s storyline. If they brought in some SG1 and SGA characters to help bring home Destiny’s crew, it could even be billed as a sweeps-week Stargate extravaganza. But continuing SGU as a series? Not a chance. It just wasn’t popular.

  31. Duneknight
    January 24, 2011 at 12:24 am |

    ah this place is a mess.

  32. Eagalis
    January 24, 2011 at 2:50 am |

    the guys at syfy said that petitions won’t bring back sgu just stop fighting. quit beating a dead horse.

  33. katikatnik
    January 24, 2011 at 4:13 am |

    AFAIK, the only show that went to a different network successfully was The Game – from the CW to BET, setting a cable record. Even Medium was flopping on CBS and they kept it stubbornly on air only because it was an in-house production and they got money from syndication.

    Jericho and Firefly – yes, they got a closure but the closure was a flop too. See Jericho’s ratings and Serenity’s box office failure. Which proves that even when a petition works, the end product doesn’t – when a show gets canceled, it usually (SGA aside) gets canned because nobody’s watching it and this just proved it.

    I didn’t like SGU. I very much didn’t like SGU. But I do think that its fans deserve a closure – maybe a sort of Stargate Event with three movies, each series one, shown in a row. Maybe fans of the other series would give an SGU movie a chance if it was shown cushion between an SG-1 and SGA movie. It could boost a) DVD sales for the SGU series and b) ratings for its re-runs as end result.

  34. Darren
    January 24, 2011 at 6:21 am |

    A little note on censorship:

    1) You’re welcome to criticize the show(s) and TPTB, if it is stated respectfully. What we edit or delete are words like “crap,” “s**t,” “stupid,” “morons,” “idiots,” etc. Just state your opinions with respect, and it’ll probably make it through just fine.

    2) When you post here you agree to follow GateWorld’s comment rules. If your post is edited or deleted, frankly, it’s on you.

  35. Jim
    January 24, 2011 at 6:40 am |

    Let’s face it,tne best petitions for any show are the frakin ratings!And the populus has spoken.Regretably,sci-fi has always been the avangard and as such,not part of the main stream.Also the fact is that many of the people that’d been posting here talking about SGU not being the real sci-fi,really just want ass kicking action,gunfights between bad guys and the good guys,just like westerns.And when any sort of depth to the characters,or god forbid tnree dimensions occure.,any kind of shades of gray,they cry soap opera!Of course that tney don’t understand even what soap opera is,not to mention sci-fi.But the thing is,we are at the mercy of the masses that those people represent and that is all the petitione we’re ever gonna get,or had gotten,I should say.Thank God for the books and occasional fighter who likes to read and understands the beginning,middle and the end..who knows when’s the time for what,a guy like MJS..And another thing that made me laugh really hard..the people’s reaction to the sex scene from SGU pilot,lol!My man Brad and the rest of the crew,it was worthed!! “There ain’t no place for sex in sci-fi..haha!I’m pretty sure that a lot of folks never forgot the gay relationship as well,although they’d never admit it.So here we are,reg tv..at the mercy of biggots and middle aged women..now that may not be sci-fi,but it sure is a good comedy!

  36. Jim
    January 24, 2011 at 7:02 am |

    Let’s face it,the best petitones for any tv show are the ratings..and the populus has spoken!Regretably,we’re all at the mercy of the masses and we know what masses always had represented in history..masses,mainstream..never was a synonyme for quality.So many of the people who had posted here are the representatives of those masses that took way our show?from us and that is the fact.I’m talking about the people who immediately start crying,soap opera,whenever any hint of the depth of character,or shade of gray appears,instead of black and white but kicking action between the bad guys and our perfect heroes..ha!
    the real science fiction has always been avangard,ahead of it’s time with three dimensional characters,no matter who they were..human,alien,cyborg..so give to the masses what appeals to them and thank god for books and ffor an occasional reader who knows what comes when,who understands the beginning,middle and the end of a story and who also happens to occasionaly be a tv director,writer and a producer..ahhmm J.M.S.!!

  37. Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
    January 24, 2011 at 7:52 am |

    I do like SGU, but I’m more interested in the Save the Movies campaign

  38. Gaia
    January 24, 2011 at 8:45 am |

    No offence to SGU fans, but personally, I would rather see save the SGA or like Jedi_Master_Bra’tac said – save the movies campaign! Can we organize one of those?! :)

  39. Jazz
    January 24, 2011 at 10:48 am |

    I hope all actions of the fans will help keep SGU.
    But watching the series is best thing to do and will keep ratings higher. And I dont think the ratings were to great and so SGU moved to Friday wich means not a long live unfortunetly.I read about Fringe tv series and thats another channel (network) but they also put it on the Friday and that means oh no people watch or its out with Fringe. So its not only syfy who does it with series they have on their channel.so SGU to another network? I dont think it would make a difference.But Its to bad SGU came already to an end. I did missed a lot of things in SGU and maby lots of others did think that way to,and maby therefore they didn’t reach the younger public wich they wanted to reach. I read there’s still hope and I hope so to SGU can go on with another season and then make a closure.
    But yes if it the end for SGU now then we do need qa closure. Not a movie of the show thats to much, and I rather would finaly see a 3rd SG-1 movie and the SGA movie,yes fans do deserve a closure for SGU if it realy ends now. But I truly hope so Stargate will continue in whatever they have in mind a new stargate series maby?If SGU was meand to be for 5 seasons,then they must have other things in mind as well. I dont think we can inmagine a live without Startgate I mean this is huge,and Stargate does have so many fans allover the world. Its amazing,and it would be sad when we never will see Stargate anymore.
    I trlu wish and hope there will be the 2 promised movies For those who made up pages to safe SGU I wish them all the luck and hope this will work.

  40. axcel1
    January 24, 2011 at 11:01 am |

    Just wondering, why can’t syfy make a Stargate movie and show it on their Saturday night time slot? Nobody in the cast and crew of all three shows want to go to Bulgaria? I believe that’s the country of choice to make cheap movies for syfy.

  41. axcel1
    January 24, 2011 at 11:07 am |

    Also, I think now is a good time for a Stargate UK series.

  42. lepidus
    January 24, 2011 at 11:09 am |

    What if all of us, that want the show to continue, each donated $10 to cover the the SyFy cost. Would that work to get it going again?

  43. rsharpe
    January 24, 2011 at 11:33 am |

    This will do no good. It’s a waste of time. If I wanted to waste time and effort, I’d lobby for the SGA movie. There’s the same amount of likelihood of that happening.

  44. psw
    January 24, 2011 at 12:04 pm |

    There is a SG1 and SGA movies campaign.


    Unfortunately I think it is a waste of time. Online campaigns are usually not successful. But feel free to participate, if you want. ;-)

  45. katikatnik
    January 24, 2011 at 12:08 pm |

    @axcel1: Because SyFy doesn’t own the rights for SG. They already do own the airing rights for the SGA movie but MGM just isn’t delivering. Blame MGM, not SyFy.

  46. MediaSavant
    January 24, 2011 at 12:20 pm |

    Why do fans wait until after a show is canceled to do this?

    It’s much easier to “save” a series before the decision is made until after.

    It was obvious from watching the ratings last spring that the show was in trouble.

    But, fans were in denial and did very little, if anything, to lift the show’s ratings and revenue.

    Maybe they’ll learn: watch the ratings, folks. When anyone says they’re “not good”, kick in your campaign.

  47. mythos
    January 24, 2011 at 1:30 pm |

    I don’t want to save SGU but for very different reasons. It’s no secret that I wasn’t much a fan of the direction of the show (which after having just watched the SG-1 episode “200” over the weekend seems even more surreal), though I have watched every episode that has aired. My reason for not wanting SGU to be saved is that it was meant to wrap up the franchise. There’s really nowhere left to go when you’ve solved the mystery of the universe. It can be done, but everything would seem kind of small after that.. There are many other galaxies and other levels of ascension to explore. SG1 and SGA covered like 3 galaxies and one level of ascension…so much more to do before tackling the entire universe and creation. There are at least 2 more spinoffs needed before ‘going there’. So my dislike of the direction that SGU had taken in terms of characters aside, I’m glad SGU got cancelled. Even rebooting the franchise would be difficult after taking on the mystery of creation. It wasn’t the right move.

  48. Scott Watson
    January 24, 2011 at 12:42 pm |

    @MediaSavant SGUAwareness (Which originated on a GW thread) tried back in September but most fans don’t pay attention to ratings sadly. On a lot of shows the bulk of fans don’t know that it’s in danger until its gone.

    We all should know that the movies are now on an indefinite hold due to the cancellation of SGU. It was MGM’s financial issues that were a main factor in those movies not being produced before (They weren’t faking that) but they are not in that situation anymore. This makes me assume that they do not wish to do the movies without a TV series on the air.

    So I believe that to fight for the movies were going to have to fight for SGU aswell. I honestly believe that if SGU was renewed for a 3rd season the movies (or at least one of them) would have gotten the green light in the coming months.

  49. Tuskin38
    January 24, 2011 at 2:03 pm |

    SGU was not cancelled for SGU, how many times do people have to say this?

  50. Tuskin38
    January 24, 2011 at 2:03 pm |

    i mean SGA for SGU

  51. Jauh0
    January 24, 2011 at 2:43 pm |

    @mythos: Yes, it’s like having Bond save the world and then go to solve a mugging.

  52. Jim
    January 24, 2011 at 3:02 pm |

    @Tanith Exactly!!

    @mythos Very interesting point and the first one out of so many reasons against SGU that actually makes sense.I even have to agree with it.

    @Tuskin38 Too many,my good man..too many!
    But there’s SGA fanatics for ya’.I like all of the stargate series,but have to say SGA is the biggest disappointment.I mean,such potential..the Lost City of the Ancients,the last core and the remainder of their great civilisation after the plague,the ascencion…and they come up with space vampires as the big bad,looking like Marilyn Manson fans,evolved out of the bug and human DNA!!Not to mention repeating so many SG-1 plots and scenarios and totally disrespectful send off for some great characters..
    I still like it,though,but to me SGA is a much greater disappointment after having a bigger potential,than the SGU.

  53. Jim
    January 24, 2011 at 3:19 pm |

    Although @mythos..now that I think about it,I actually don’t agree with you,because your reasons are only speculation..no one knows exactly where the show was going,so it might not have been the wrapping up of the franchise,it might have been opening up something new.We all basically speculated if it was all about the biggest questions and answers..but the point is we don’t know and now we possibly never will.That kinda pisses me off!

  54. mythos
    January 24, 2011 at 3:26 pm |

    @Jauh0 – Exactly. And once the story was told, there would be no real way to undo it. So even rebooting down the line would have been difficult. It would have created too many problems.

    Basically, the people involved knew that they only had one show left in them, didn’t want to turn over the reigns to others and basically decided to end the franchise rather than let it go on without them. So they sought the loftiest goal that the show could go for and wanted to make it ‘artistic’ because it was to be their masterpiece.

    @Tuskin38 – SGA was cancelled for SGU. The powers that be didn’t want to do 2 shows at the same time again and the network wanted SGU right away to try to capitalize on the ‘character-driven’ bandwagon before the fad passed. They were given the choice of doing both or just doing SGU. They chose to just do SGU. So SGA was cancelled for SGU. No matter how many times anyone says otherwise, it won’t change things.

  55. kyle
    January 24, 2011 at 3:26 pm |

    Or Accept that the show has ended make a new show that saves the current main charaters and replace them with others preferably previous characters and contiue with the Destiny’s mission with the new group

  56. Gaia
    January 24, 2011 at 3:32 pm |

    Thanks, psw :)

  57. Sylvia
    January 24, 2011 at 3:41 pm |

    I’d much rather see a Save the Movies campaign! But that’s just me.
    From what I gather about the cancellation of SGA, Syfy wanted SGU, they would have been happy to run SGU with SGA if it were offered to them. But TPTB did not want to do two shows at once, they wanted to concentrate on their new endeavor, SGU so Syfy took them up on the offer with the understanding there would be a SGA movie down the line. But it didn’t happen. So in a way, SGA was canceled for SGU. We could have had both. We only got one. Now both are done and everyone loses.

  58. HolyAngelQueenSG-1
    January 24, 2011 at 4:04 pm |

    Sorry… But, Brad w feeling wants very best old SG-1 can come big trip for more other Stargate. I was vote is Old SG-1 still season can trip of the Stargate will New series. I look not good for The SGU is broke light bulb and weak wheel had failed.

  59. eagleeyes
    January 24, 2011 at 4:29 pm |

    It’s great to see finally a SGU fan base has started a petition, keep us informed guys, as we where shocked as to hear of the cancellation after season two. I guest the more CRAP on tv the better. and great shows like SGU pay the price, well never say never, they want a fight then lets give them a bloody fight. Just remember Teal’c never gave up on that all Jaffa would be free Jaffa………..

  60. mythos
    January 24, 2011 at 5:08 pm |

    @Jim – Joseph Mallozzi said as much on his blog. This is also the reason why with season 2 already finished with production on a supposed 5 season show, there’s been no thought about another show after this one. It was basically meant to end the franchise. If money was thrown at it, I’m sure they would have found a way for it to continue, but there was no plan to do so.

  61. mythos
    January 24, 2011 at 5:10 pm |

    @HolyAngelQueenSG-1 – Bad google translation or…?

  62. DammitJim
    January 24, 2011 at 5:33 pm |

    So I finally found a Stargate show I find interesting and it gets canceled. Boo. It was so far above the previous two series that it drew me in as a new viewer to the franchise. I couldn’t stand SG-1 episodes and I found SG:A shows a little fluffy with the typical “feeling” of TV adventure shows (Xena, Hercules, Relic Hunter, Nikita, etc.).

    Shows how much SyFy knows. If you create a series that isn’t much different than the previous one, you don’t attract new viewers you just bring along the same old ones. Change it up a little, like SG:U, throw in some really really good actors (sorry, but the previous shows can’t compare there), good scripts and kick-a music (not to mention a terrific concept that has so many possibilities) and you’ve got a good show. Might even make go back and take another look at the previous incarnations.

    But then the sign of a really good show is getting canceled; there are a lot of examples. Cheaply produced mediocre shows seem to last forever. Expensive but good shows (which is why they’re expensive) just don’t last. Maybe that’s a good thing though, it means they can wrap it up properly and it won’t get disappointing, like Battlestar Galactica — they should’ve stopped after the 3rd season.

  63. DustoMan
    January 24, 2011 at 5:35 pm |

    I wish people would quit using Sanctuary and an example of Internet shows “making it”. The whole reason why they went to Syfy was because they couldn’t find a business model that would sustain an Internet-only production. That’s not “making it”.

  64. axcel1
    January 24, 2011 at 6:49 pm |

    @katikatnik – So, I guess that means no Stargate Bulgaria, oh well.

  65. Browncoat1984
    January 24, 2011 at 8:26 pm |

    as much as I want to see the SGA and SG-1 movies I think right now the most important thing is to get a conclusion to SGU, because having a series ending on a cliffhanger is never a good thing for a franchise (not one of the ST series ended on a cliffahnger and so far none of the Stargate series have either).

  66. Hawkwinter
    January 24, 2011 at 8:36 pm |

    Although I’m not interested in SGU I wish everyone luck, I really do. Maybe you have a chance with Mallozzi actually working with you.

    Nothing worse than having a series end in the middle of a story, I’m still pissed about Defying Gravity getting axed on a cliffhanger so hopefully you will get some sort of conclusion to the series.

    And even more importantly, hopefully it will show them there is still a large fanbase for some sort of continuation of the Stargate franchise in general.

  67. jonah1956
    January 24, 2011 at 9:42 pm |

    SGU should not be saved! I personally don’t like it. There should be a “Save the SG-1 and SGA movies,” campaign. Efforts should be focused to save the movies over SGU, SG-1 and SGA actually have viewrs and as we all know viewers= money.

  68. Jim
    January 24, 2011 at 10:50 pm |

    @mythos..well if that’s the case,it is their creation,so it is also thier prerogative to end it.The most important thing being the end,that I’d very much like to see,but probably never will.And I’m not alone in feeling like that.
    The point is I respect all they have done and all the long hours of fun they’d already given me.I will not be as arrogant as to start telling them now how to do their job,just because I may,or may not feal as good about their last creation.
    My POV is that all the other stargate stuff like the Goa’uld,The Lucaian Alliance,the Wraith,the Ori,Replicators…etc,etc has been done to death,so to do something new and different,even if it’s the last thing..is a good thing.I’ve always had respect for TPTB that knew when to fold them,instead of dragging things till they turn into it’s own parody.
    I understand the love for Stargate and the wish for it never to end,but things do end,they do have an expiration date.
    That is why I’ll always have such deep respect for Strazinsky and Babylon 5,BSG..and so on..
    As for the ending of the SGU story,someone had already mentioned..the way Farscape has been dealt with..there was no petitions and such stuff,but people got together,raised the money and an exellent miniseries..The Peacekeeper Wars was filmed as a great conclusion.
    If I knew whom to give the money and new it would end up in the right hands..I’d donate 10000$ and I’m sure there are people who could and would give even more.That’s the way Farscape was finished with a three hour miniseries,which was awesome..a lot of people not only from US,but from Europe pitched in and that was it.If everyone gave the amount of money they can afford,I’m sure enough could be raised for at least a movie and not just SGU,but Atlantis as well!

  69. Jim
    January 24, 2011 at 11:07 pm |

    Also I’ like to say,I am aware of producers arrogance toward the fans that happend a year ago and although I do have the auotmost respect for them and their work as I had said,I recognize that it was uncalled for and rude of them.Just to make myself clear on that..if I as a fan respect them,they should also respect me.And by me,I mean their fandom that gives them the opportinity to work,express themselves and do what they love to do,which is something many people never get to experience..let’s face it..with their 9 to 5 jobs.
    Some of us are on duty 24 hours a day..so don’t think that I’m acting as their manager,or apologet.

  70. Jim
    January 24, 2011 at 11:18 pm |

    @mythos lol! i seen your comment on a google translation..ha,ha.I thought that was an encrypted code!Don’t you get it,it’s a secure transmission.

  71. guy321
    January 25, 2011 at 12:31 am |

    Does anyone know where the show stands, legally? As in, does MGM have the right to go shopping the show around to other networks right now, or are they stuck in some sort of contractual lull for a given amount of time?

  72. Manik101
    January 25, 2011 at 12:57 am |

    Keep it alive! SGU Rocks!

  73. joep
    January 25, 2011 at 11:44 am |

    Bull Sh!t. If SGU was any good they would have kept the SG1/SGA fans and it wouldnt have been canceled in the first place. The franchise died when SGA ended, deal!

  74. AbstractAlien
    January 25, 2011 at 12:10 pm |


    Couldnt agree more with web-shows being the future. That’s exactly what I am doing myself – I am working on a pure non-humanoid alien show which is costing about £350 per episode – it’s entirely CGI-free and uses superior methods of film-making such as stop-motion, animatronics and puppetry. It looks better and is more original than 100% of the sci-fi on TV. And more people are doing what I am doing – web-shows ARE the future – because we are making it that way by DIY and underground efforts.

    It is better because there is no corportate involvement and obsession with ratings and commercialisation – and it is more done purely for the love, art and creativity.

  75. wnelson
    January 25, 2011 at 1:53 pm |


    Congratulations and I wish you well.


    Nope, better quality does not require bigger crews. Hollywood propaganda. See companies like SyFy produce really low budget rubbish as a means of deterring people, but truth is that it needn’t be that way. Indeed many standard TV (mainly nature and documentaries) shows are shot with a crew no bigger than 3. Quality does not have to mean cost. It means getting talented people….which is lacking in the current industry.


    I don’t disagree that from a fiscal POV it’s better to continue before sets are struck, but I’m not bucking for it to be renewed. As I said, it’s an okay show, but I think it failed. Whether by arrogance of execs or by poor marketing, it’s failed to achieve what it should have. They tried, they failed. It’ll be a shame not to see SG on the TV but that’s life. I’d not uncancel it for anything.

  76. wnelson
    January 25, 2011 at 2:01 pm |

    Oh and


    Nope, I seriously did mean $75,000 a season. It’s entirely doable.

    The particular show I had in mind is shot in the space of 1 month (per season). It has only 5 crew members and 6 cast. The cameras belong to the company (instead of extortionate hire prices), and the post is all done internally.

    It’s available through TiVo, and you’d think that a “proper” TV company produced it…the quality is the same, if not better, than a “proper” TV show.

    Better still the low cost means that it can be recovered quicker and that even with a relatively small fan-base can be financially viable.

    Like I said before, big budget TV shows need to trim the fat and find better ways of doing things…bring back the days of small studio crews!

  77. HolyAngelQueenSG-1
    January 25, 2011 at 5:33 pm |


    I don’t know… It’s bad news for Stargate wheel weak for broke top is Light bulb. Brad feeling very not good for The Stargate wheel.

  78. Josheppe
    January 25, 2011 at 5:53 pm |

    If we are going to burry the whole StarGate series, let’s do it with our heads held high instead of trying to safe a weak spin-off that’s not nearly as good as SG1 or SGA.

  79. AbstractAlien
    January 26, 2011 at 6:04 am |


    Yep. Agreed. Quality is not about budget and I agree that it is hollywood propaganda completely. Quality is about passion, originality, GOOD writing, good characters, good stories. And besides, you dont need a high budget to make something look good – you can do soemthing cheaply and make it look great if you have the creative know-how to pull it off.

    The Guild is a perfect example, and Felcia Day is doing it because it’s what she WANTS to do. And look how successful that is. Passion and determination can be prime motivators to really make something truly great.

  80. Jim
    January 26, 2011 at 7:09 am |

    @wnelson and @AbstractAlien I couldn’t agree more!And it is true for all genres.If high budget would automatically mean high quality,hoe would we ever explain Hollywood high budget blockbusters,that are quality wise usually pure crap?

  81. Jim
    January 26, 2011 at 7:11 am |

    @wnelson and @AbstractAlien I couldn’t agree more,,look at the Hollywood high budget blockbusters.How can we explain most of them being pure manure?

  82. Jauh0
    January 26, 2011 at 11:10 am |

    @AbstractAlien: Money ≠ Quality. Couldn’t agree more, the production nowadays is just overbloated. Take Star Wreck for example, a full length movie with a budged of less than 15 000 euros and the quality was pretty damn good. That’s not even a very good example though.

  83. AbstractAlien
    January 26, 2011 at 1:29 pm |

    I actually think cheaper = better too. If you look at cheaper shows from the past like “The Prisoner” or “Sapphire & Steel”,because of the lack of budget they were FORCE to be creative and make do with what they had.

    Sometimes less is more. And in the case of sci-fi, I think less money would produce more imaginative and original shows – in the right hands (i.e. syfy’s movies of the week :P).

    A personal example would be the finale in my first season – which features an invisible enemy, the idea of them however is that they are rejected physical laws from the creation of the universe and seek to reintegrate themselves which would cause mass existential damage. Beat that James Cameron! :P

  84. Jauh0
    January 26, 2011 at 2:07 pm |

    @AbstractAlien: What’s your series called, when will it be released and where?

  85. AbstractAlien
    January 26, 2011 at 4:56 pm |

    It’s called Tolathians : Outpost Cyclopean, not sure when itll be released since i am doing the whole thing almost entirely myself. It will likely be streamed for free on a website though, as I dont care for profit.

  86. Grimcicle
    January 26, 2011 at 5:22 pm |

    I’d love to see the show moved to another network, but I’d settle for a DTV movie. I just don’t want this amazing series to end on an eternal cliffhanger.

  87. Ryster
    January 26, 2011 at 8:39 pm |

    @joep: Now look who’s talking BS. Different does not equal Bad. It’s not SGU’s fault that you and the other fanboys wanted a carbon copy of SG1 or SGA and couldn’t deal with the fact that it was a completely different show. SGU as a standalone product is a good show. It failed because of the emotional baggage of the franchise’s “fans”, and I use the term loosely.

  88. Ryster
    January 26, 2011 at 8:41 pm |

    Oh and not to mention the piss poor decisions made by the SyFy Wrestling Network who seem to have lost the plot.

  89. katikatnik
    January 27, 2011 at 5:17 am |

    @Ryster: No, it failed because it was not engaging enough to keep its audience. 2.4 mil. people gave it a chance at the beginning – 1 mil. left before the show moved to Tuesday. I think that’s telling. TPTB promised something they didn’t deliver – a show cannot live on its own potential only – and that’s why it was canceled.

    And no, SyFy isn’t a wrestling network. They just switched its Tuesday and Friday programing. They dropped Tuesday’s wrestling and bought Smackdown because SGU was not working in its Friday slot, failing to garner even 1.5 mil. viewers for its S1 finale – the lowest rated season finale of any SG show on SyFy ever.

    You are right, different doesn’t mean bad. But quality is subjective and more than 50% of viewers subjectively decided not to watch it live. And not just in the US, all over the world – take Canada, UK, Germany: 40% drop at the least. And THAT’s objective.

  90. Jauh0
    January 27, 2011 at 9:45 am |

    @Ryster: A shos must stand and fall on its own. I understand why some people like SGU, and I understand what the PTB were going for, but they failed at their goal. As katikatnik said, the ratings plummeted even before the move to tuesday, which finished the show. It’s not the fans that killed it, if you don’t know how the US rating system works, don’t act like you do.

    The main reason I prefer SG-1 and SGA over SGU is that there was always the right man for the job, not some snotty teen who can’t cooperate with others. These new characters were somewhat realistic, but most of them annoying. Real people have issues too, but unlike normal people, these can’t cope with them at all. Instead they must have a pointless 29-minute talk that changes nothing. If you can’t stand being away from home, what the heck are you doing in the SG program in the first place? And realistic? Yeah, right… We got a nerdy genious, a bland but somehow important senators daughter, antisocial scientist, a 20 year old master sergeant, a lieutenant who got his position without any field experience and a powerhungry egotistic b****. I do admit that Young is pretty realistic, but that’s pretty much it.

    If you personally prefer SGU, I’m fine with that, but how is a loyal fan, who likes the original creations that together lasted over 7 times longer than your precious, less of a fan than you just because he doesn’t agree with you 100%?

  91. Jago77
    January 27, 2011 at 11:13 am |

    Jim quote “As for the ending of the SGU story,someone had already mentioned..the way Farscape has been dealt with..there was no petitions and such stuff,but people got together,raised the money and an ecxellent miniseries..The Peacekeeper Wars was filmed as a great conclusion.

    If I knew whom to give the money and new it would end up in the right hands..I’d donate 10000$ and I’m sure there are people who could and would give even more.That’s the way Farscape was finished with a three hour miniseries,which was awesome..a lot of people not only from US,but from Europe pitched in and that was it.If everyone gave the amount of money they can afford,I’m sure enough could be raised for at least a movie and not just SGU,but Atlantis as well!”

    I’d be willing to donate to, now, allow me to post a sort list of what other GW members have written –

    redleade quote “SGU should go directly to ITunes or digital media distribution and skip the middle man.”

    gilbak quote “Is it not possible for other networks possibly from another country to fund SGU ?”

    dtguitar quote “since MGM owns the Stargate franchise, isn’t it possible that it could lease it to another network that might be interested in picking up the show?”

    knowles2 quote “I think MGM should use SGU and the Stargate franchise to explore new ways to sell there content directly to the audience, it’s the way the industry is moving, in the UK several productions firms are already moving ahead with developing their own distribution channels on new platforms such as Google TV or Youview, basically they are apps that live on these platforms but act as channels. The British Film council an Kudos Productions are both working on such project.”

    Slayme quote”
    How about a public broadcaster that’s seen in Canada and US? I was thinking of WTVS Detroit or a similar broadcaster. This was the broadcaster that enabled me to watch the entire original Doctor Who series (the first 7 Doctors) during the 80′s. It was commercial free broadcasting which was great as the average length of those old Doctor Who eps was 90 minutes WITHOUT commercials!

    Let’s say that there are 5 million StarGate fans between US and Canada (I think we can all agree that I’m being conservative with that number). Then let’s say that each of them pledges $20 a year. That’s $100 million for new Stargate programming. Imagine more fans, pledging more money. Everybody could get what they want: more seasons of SGU, more SG-1/SGA movies.

    It’s time and past time to scrap the old advertising based system, get rid of all the dross that floods the channels these days and pay for the shows we REALLY want to watch!!!”

    AnthonyBJr quote “should try the farscape approach to get a way to finish off the series. It’s the only way to go.”

    Cay quote “NBC owns SYFY, right?
    Run it on NBC, if they start soon, they can run it for the next 15 weeks, then air season 2.5. It will cost them nothing. At that point, they will know if there’s any new fans or not.”

    P.S. If anyone have any other suggestions to save or bring back any SG shows, feel free to post them…

  92. Jago77
    January 27, 2011 at 1:41 pm |

    katikatnik quote “Jericho and Firefly – yes, they got a closure but the closure was a flop too. See Jericho’s ratings and Serenity’s box office failure. Which proves that even when a petition works, the end product doesn’t – when a show gets canceled, it usually (SGA aside) gets canned because nobody’s watching it and this just proved it.

    Reply – With all due respect, don’t take Serenity as a example of failure (since it did
    make back it’s money after it’s DVD release & is one of the best SCI FI movie of all time),
    especially a example of failure originating from a canceled tv show.
    Serenity was a perfect example/opportunity to prove that a canceled tv show could make a big comeback & be a box office hit.

    Serenity could have been a Box office hit, Josh Whedon just didn’t learn from his mistakes on Firefly.

    First – Just like in SGU, some people just didn’t have the charisma to be in the team

    Second – When you produce a box office movie, you have got to have a big name actor or actress
    to drive/promote your movie(suggestion – kill/replace Gina Torres character & bring in Sarah Michelle Gellar; i think that suggestion alone would have made Serenity a box office hit)
    To make maters worse he actually kill in that movie one of the team member with the most charisma – Wash

    Josh Whedon just didn’t learned his lessons from Firefly.

    Let’s hope that when SG make a comeback, TPTB won’t make the same mistakes that contributed to SGU being cancel in the first place.
    (Suggestion – Replace the second lead scientist by Rodney McKay, replace the third lead scientist by Radek Zelenka, replace Ronald Greer by Teal’c, cut back on the drama & put more action, adventure & humor & a SGU Movie or third season would be a big hit/success.

    P.S.And when i say replace, i don’t mean have them come to the Destiny with the stones, i mean have the Destiny find a artifact that can bring those person for real.
    And about replacing/killing those other team members, well, TPTB didn’t have any problem about killing Becket.
    So now that it is very much required to bring in some SG-1/SG-A team members to the Destiny to make any continuation of SGU successful, they shouldn’t have any problem with it.

  93. Cay
    January 27, 2011 at 4:22 pm |

    @ Jim
    as far as your $10k offer… Someone did the math and suggested it would cost about $20 a person.

    “The show has a $1M/ep budget. I’ll gladly give SyFy $20 for season 3. And if the 1.6 million other viewers would do the same.
    Thats $32M.
    That gives them an extra 12M, they have season 4 halfway paid.”

    I for one don’t pay for cable, it’s too expensive for 50 channels I would never watch, but $50 a season, I would gladly do that. But by the sounds of it, it has little to do with budget. It is about a station to play it on since Syfy didn’t renew.
    I say, NBC owns it right?
    It really wouldn’t cost them anything to start the series over from episode 1 and air it on NBC Tuesdays at 10 again, I don’t know what’s on there now, but it seems like reaching out to a new audience is their best bet. If they start airing it from the beginning and then air the rest of season 2 in a couple of months, basically all 40 episodes in a row. They may get a new following from people who have never even heard of the show.
    Since they only ever advertised the show on Syfy, it was doomed to not get any new viewers.

    But Jim, your offer is much more ambitious. And if you can find the address for me, I will mail my check in too, not $10k but I’ll give something.

  94. Cay
    January 27, 2011 at 4:25 pm |

    @ wnelson
    The $75,000 non-“proper” TV series. The “Proper” production companies have to deal with unions, college tv clubs don’t. I’m sure your series looks great, but not viable.

  95. mistergroenevingers
    January 27, 2011 at 9:53 pm |

    Indeed it seems SyFy is into wrestling.
    Perhaps they could make a show where angry SGU-fans wrestle it out with angry anti-SGU-fans.

  96. Jim
    January 27, 2011 at 10:04 pm |

    @Cay Well,I don’t know about that math..I mean what’s the number of people taken in account,than the number that would actually pay,than for what a whole season,I presume?
    I’m sure a math for it is slightly more complicated than taking the number of live viewers in the US and dividing it with the presumed price of a season..
    But the point is there are people willing to pay,there are even people willing to pay considerable sumes of money..sci-fi fans are usually better educated and with more disposable income..generally speaking,of course.And most important,it has been done and done well,I’ve mentioned Farscape.Now that is something I had in mind,a miniseries,or a series of movies..the whole season is a bit over ambitious,I’m afraid!
    Anyway even my offer is not generous enough to put me in contact with people that make things happen,far from it,but I personally know people,willing to pay considerably more,at least enough to get in contact with people’s people..so if/when I find that adress,you’ll know..lol!

  97. Jim
    January 27, 2011 at 10:09 pm |

    Btw you can forgett about the idea that NBC would show SGU.They do own the Wrestling Chanel..shall we call it WC,from now on,but it only means that bigger bosses told the smaller bosses to kill the show.Sure they wouldn’t put it on their main network if they don’t won’t it in one of their smaller subsidiaries..

  98. Cay
    January 27, 2011 at 10:25 pm |

    @ Jim
    Hey man, I’m with you, I would love to see more SGU.
    But who are the scifi fans youre thinking of that have all this money. As far as I know it’s mostly college aged kids.
    I know there was the idea to send Valentines Day cards to the producers saying that we love SGU. I think you need to inclose your check in there and cross your fingers.
    But if your rich friends need somewhere to throw cash, I’m in college and could surely use it.

  99. Jim
    January 28, 2011 at 2:25 am |

    @Cay LOL..See,you prove my point,college,that’s where it all starts,but it doesn’t end there,trust me!And I did mention education first,that’s how you get to more money after!
    Bill Gates was just a college geek,and I can bet he’d loved and still does sci-fi..anyway I’m not rich and don’t come from a rich background..I had to enlist and serve to get my high education..but now I get by and you wouldn’t believe how many people I know and are richer than me,that you’d probably consider old cause we’re in our early 30s,ha,ha..and even older who remain rabid sci-fi fans!
    Also that’s why I said generally speaking.If you’re in college now and love sci-fi..I’m willing to bet more than 10 large that you’ll have more money in the future,than a reallity show fan..

  100. Jago77
    January 28, 2011 at 10:38 am |

    I think that Jim idea is a great one – each SG-1/SG-A & SGU fans could donate to either get a series of Blu Ray movies &/or a third season of SGU –

    I think that the only person that we would all thrust with our money is Mr.Darren Sumner –
    He is obviously devoted to the SG franchise (shown by working on this very website for more than 10 years) &
    as Brad Wright & others important PTB contacts

    It seems like Mr.Darren Sumner did a poll to see which SG-Atlantis characters gateworld members would like to see the most in SGU, & Rodney McKay was the result, then McKay is said to be in the second half of SGU season 2, so i think he can get results.

    So how about it Mr.Darren Sumner, how about starting things by doing a poll on your honorable website.
    And if there are enough people interested, contact Brad Wright & others PTB.
    How about it Mr.Darren Sumner, are you willing to try your best to change the destiny of Destiny…?

  101. Jago77
    January 28, 2011 at 11:18 am |

    Also when i said that “each SG-1/SG-A & SGU fans could donate to either get a series of Blu Ray movies &/or a third season of SGU”, it, of course imply that TPTB would make some modifications to the show.

    Suggestion – Replace the second lead scientist by Rodney McKay, replace the third lead scientist by Radek Zelenka & you will get all of the SG-A fans support.
    replace Ronald Greer by Teal’c or Ronon, Scott by Ben Browder & try to get RDA, Amanda & Daniel to show up once in a while & you will get all of the SG-1 fans support.

    Also, Sylvia made a list of all of the reasons she collected of why people just didn’t take to SGU, here are a few big ones

    – To much drama, not enough action,adventure & humor
    – Not enough aliens & space battles
    – The story was to slow
    – No real villain

    I truly believe that with all of the SG-1/SG-A & SGU fans support & with TPTB determinations to continue the SG adventure(& being willing to make some changes in SGU), we are not at the end of the SG franchise.

    P.S. I think that we are at a crossroad & that Mr.Darren Sumner is the one who’s got to make the next move…

  102. Jim
    January 28, 2011 at 12:39 pm |

    @Jago77 See,now we might be in business..that is an awesome idea!!And I kid you not..it just might work!That is why I love this country,caose people are willing to take matters into their own hands and master their own “Destiny”!!And the destiny of this one show is just one small example in a great scheme of things,but why not do that if we really want to!?And mr.Sumner is the right person with right contacts..man I have to say it again,a great idea!This is what starts happening if we really put our minds together.I mean we could do the petitiones and stuff all we want,but in the end the money makes the world go round and since the money is the issue,if there’s enough of us,something just might come of it.
    The way you said it would be thre right way,first the poll to determine the aprox.number of people here..just as an indicator,then spreading the word..I’m sure many of us know people who aren’t active on the site and in other countries..take just Canada,Uk and Australia..not to mention Europe..in the words of Nick Cave*.first we take Manhattan..then we take Berlin*LOL!
    But seriously after that we see what happens,things may just start rolling and we won’t know if we don’t try.If we don’t succed,at lest we will know we tried and went down fighting..so to speak!
    AS for the characters you mentioned,Teal’c wouldn’t be appropriate,I think,but Mitchell and McKay could change the show over.
    Of course those and other changes should come only as a suggestion,not the ultimatum..but by now I’m sure the PTB know they need changes..

  103. Jim
    January 28, 2011 at 1:01 pm |

    Also,if nothing else this might at least be the way to reunite all of the stargate fans,with one mutual cause..bringing back Stargate,any Stargate,maybe more than just any.If not the SGU,maybe the movies.But I really think it’s time to stop these silly wars among the fans.Let’s just say what happened,happened..find the common ground;SGU needs change,we all want the movies to be done and face it,in the end we all love our shows..Legendary SG-1,Atlantis.I know some people who’d never seen an episode of Stargate,before SGU,because for one reason,or the other,they had prejudices toward it.After seeing SGU,they went back and saw all the episodes of the previous shows and said they were awesome,got completely hooked to the entire franchise.I kid you not they were doing SG-1 marathons!So come on,let’s move forward all together,from now on,we definitely have the stronger voice that way.And I’m certain that,when united there are no better and stronger fans than Stargate fans!

  104. scifi75
    January 28, 2011 at 1:37 pm |

    There is another solution. It is one in which, unfortunately, does not involve SGU. SyFy has become a joke but there is a Canadian network called Space that harks back to the old SciFi. It’s time to start demanding service providers to carry the Space Network by calling in and simply demanding it.

  105. Sylvia
    January 28, 2011 at 1:44 pm |

    Realistically, the bottom line ratings at Syfy have improved since SGA and Caprica have been canceled. Being Human, Face Off, Merlin, Sanctuary, etc. have all gotten better numbers. I see no incentive whatsoever, other than brand loyalty to the franchise, to make any further SGU. SGA and SG1 would probably bring in similar numbers to the above mentioned shows, but MGM isn’t offering them, evidently. So it is sad for the fans of SGU, but it just was not successful enough to stay on the air. Numbers are what matter to a corporation, not loyalty. You have to show them how they can make a profit with what you want or it won’t work.

  106. Sylvia
    January 28, 2011 at 2:46 pm |

    Oops, meant “the bottom lime ratings at Syfy have improved since SGU and Caprica have been canceled.”

  107. Jim
    January 28, 2011 at 5:01 pm |

    Space,from what I hear is way better and deals way better with publicizing some of the same shows SyFy,or CW air or had aired before.
    And regarding the success,or the lack of it,or ratings on SyFy..I have no interest whatsoever in that anymore,nor does that mean anything to me.The only show I will continue to follow is Sanctuary,but as I said..only over the net..download baby.And why is that,well because I’m not interested in their corporate success,I’m intersted only in good shows they have to offer..not!I’m not their shareholder.

  108. Jago77
    January 29, 2011 at 12:47 pm |

    If you know Darren Sumner or any PTB, let him/them know about this project –

    – Save/bring back SGU(& in a way, SG-1 & SG-A)

    – Continue Destiny journey, only this time, with some modifications

    – Bring back a few SG-1 team members
    (& a few more as guests)
    & you will have all of the SG-1 fans supports

    – Bring back a few SG-A team members
    (& a few more as guests)
    & you will have all of the SG-A fans supports

    – Keep all of the people in SGU that “worked”/had charisma(example: Eli & Cloe,Rush).
    Replace all of the people that didn’t worked/had enough charisma(example:Ronald Greer & some of the scientists) & keep Destiny & it’s mission, & you will have all of the SGU fans supports

    – Also, to garante that you get all of the SG-1, SG-A & SGU fans supports, you have to bring back a lot more of what makes Stargate Stargate –
    Actions, adventures, humor, great team chemistry, villains, aliens, space battles, etc..and not cut all drama, but dial it down so that SGU is now more balanced between it, & what makes Stargate Stargate.

  109. Jago77
    January 29, 2011 at 12:52 pm |

    That leave, convincing MGM

    – Give all SG-1, SG-A & SGU fans what they want & watch the downloads on Itunes & hulu skyrocket, so as the Blu Rays sells.

    – Add all of the SG-1, SG-A & SGU fans donations(if we can get this project going)

    – Add the fact that if this works, a lot of networks are going to be interested in this SGU
    well done

    So, whether it’s a gateworld member,a person who write/contribute to this site, a person who knows the PTB or someone at MGM, please, make Mr.Darren Sumner aware of this project to bring back SGU

  110. Jauh0
    January 29, 2011 at 1:47 pm |


  111. Cay
    January 29, 2011 at 5:21 pm |

    I see your point… more money than an MTV watcher but not as much as if I loved jeopardy.

    @Jago77 & Jim
    But I don’t agree with everyone trying to rework the show. I know that the show was hyper dramatic at some points and therefore kind of slow if you’re just a casual watcher.
    I think the main focus here is money. I am willing to donate and it seems like Jago77 thinks “SGU fans donations” are viable. So how do we actually get that going?
    What is the address? Who do we actually send this money to? Or is that the 1st step?

  112. Cay
    January 29, 2011 at 5:32 pm |

    @ Darren Sumner

    I found your address online, it wasn’t that hard so I’m sure everyone else already has done it. But if I send you my SGU Donation check, will you make sure it gets to the right place?

    I’m not going to post it as that seems inappropriate, but is the 3213, the right street number? Well I guess I have your phone number too, I could call you, but that seems rude to do on a Saturday afternoon.

    I guess just get back to me.

  113. rsharpe
    January 30, 2011 at 4:12 am |

    Maybe parts of the SGU sets could be recycled for use in the SG:1 and SG:A movies.

  114. mythos
    January 30, 2011 at 10:39 am |

    @Cay – Do you realize how incredibly creepy your post seems? How about we not freak out the person running the site? Even just mentioning a potential house number is very inappropriate. If he wanted people sending checks to his home address, he’d post something himself to that effect. But I highly doubt it would happen.

    If there was serious interest in pursuing something like this, it would have to be handled properly, which would mean creating an organization to handle the money with oversight to make sure that the money was handled properly. While I have no doubt that Darren is an honorable guy, I doubt he’d want the headaches of dealing with checks just showing up in his personal mail. It tends to raise eyebrows. And then if that money ended up not being usable, plans have to be in place for what to do with it. Such an endeavor isn’t as simple as signing a check and sending it off to someone. People really need to be a little more realistic about things.

  115. Jago77
    January 30, 2011 at 2:47 pm |

    @Jim & Cay

    – Good to know that you support my idea, & i think that if everybody would support it
    (SG-1 fans, SG-A fans, SGU fans, gateworld members across the world, The SG PTB, the gateworld PTB,SG Unite,etc…)it would be successfull.

    & Cay, i think that the first step would be to contact Darren Sumner & make him aware of this project, so that he could get involve
    (run a poll on this site, contact Brad Wright &
    the other SG PTB that he knows,etc…)
    So, if you did find his phone number, please, call him and make him aware of this project that would unite everybody.

  116. Jago77
    January 30, 2011 at 4:07 pm |


    You do have a point sir, without some modifications to SGU, this project might not work,
    but with the modifications that i mentioned, i really think that it would work.

    If the save SGU petition as over 3500 digital signatures, just imagine how many it would gained if you added all of the SG-1 & SG-A fans worldwide, + all of the would-be-SGU-fans that just didn’t take to SGU, but would if it contained more of what makes SG SG.

    I think that sometimes great ideas are just not realize because the people in a position to make them a reality just haven’t thought about them.

  117. Johnz86
    January 31, 2011 at 9:27 am |

    I think its just Sy-fy staff. The franchise is making serious money worldwide, only Sy-fy staff dosent know how to use the potential. They care only about US ratings and not if the overall fans like it. I take SGU as a different show, not similar to SG-1 and SGA. Old fans try to digest the new drama and dont like the LOST+new BATTLESTAR G. mix. The new fans just didnt watch Sy-fy before and dont know the series. But i think people generaly like it. SGU is good show. They need real Science fiction/Fantasy fans in the staff of Sy-fy. Sy-fy dosent even have the best sci-fi show in the US network channels, that is for me Fringe. They think all about the ratings. They air b******* like MMA. If they could get hands on Dancing With Stars, they would air it. No wonder that fans watch shows online, rather then watch Sy-fy. Ratings will still fall.

  118. Jim
    January 31, 2011 at 10:53 am |

    The idea is potentialy vaible,but I agree with mythos abot Cay’s post,that is plain and simple,more than just rude,it does seem very creepy and stalky..not saying that was the resoning,but I am saying that is not how things are done.There is a reason I rarely answer the calls from an unknown,or hidden caller ID on my private cell.Home nunmer on the other hand is reserved EXCLUSEVLY for family and a handfull of closest friends.
    And reg how things are done properly,if mr.Sumner is willing to do anything,I’m sure he can find out about it,without getting strange phone calls to his house.Nowdays that is just as rude as going to someone’s home without calling and announcing yourself.
    If there is enough interest for the idea,of course that a separate account needs to be set up,and things organized accordingly..one who doesn’t know that,has a priority in learning how the real world functiones first and forgett about the fiction for a while!

  119. Jago77
    January 31, 2011 at 12:55 pm |

    @ Jim – We weren’t implying that every GW members call him or something improper like that, just the ones like the SG Unite member (who got over 3 500 signatures on his save SGU petition) & the one
    that want to launch a project like it.
    (the other ones should just post or e-mail him)

    I think Cay just highly motivated(which is very good) & just got carried away by mentioning a street number..

    Anyway…if you think that even in those rare occasions calling someone at home is improper than we won’t(we need to be all on the same page if we want this to work)
    I think that the proper thing to do now that we have a project would be for us
    (me, you & Cay & others who want to join)to write, this week,
    a official letter & send it to Chad Colvin, Darren Sumner & the SG Unite peoples(& of course post it on this site, other SG site & the SG Unite site)

    What do you think ?

  120. AnthonyBJr
    January 31, 2011 at 1:05 pm |

    @Jago77 Your idea to change SGU is not a good one. I personally like Greer and can’t stand Zoe. Getting Rid of Greer, the BMF would NOT be a bad idea. I was reading on Mallozzi’s Blog that a 2nd hurdle has been overcome. It is looking better. As far as sending money, don’t send it to his house, and don’t even post the address, either. It reminds of of the Matt Dillon Stalker moment in ‘Something About Mary’. We would need to set up an escrow account with some third party oversight so that if it pas out, the right people get the money, and if it doesn’t, the money gets refunded to those that donated. No, I’m willing to donate $50.00 to the cause, $100.00 if I can get the episodes in HD Via iTunes or something like it. Maybe a bit more if there were some freebies with signatures or something. That being said, DO NOT SEND ANY MONEY TO TPTB, ESPECIALLY THEIR HOMES. Just join in with the save SGU groups to help make it happen.

  121. Jago77
    January 31, 2011 at 1:55 pm |

    @ AnthonyBJr & Jauh0

    You are right about not sending money to TPTB or to Darren Sumner house, & we weren’t planing to.

    Also, Chloe wasn’t very present in the second season & personally, i like both her relationship/friendship with Eli & the new direction of her character; that kind of Jack in The Fifth Race deep Knowledge about the SG/Destiny.
    So if the two of you(& other people) didn’t like her in the first season, perhaps you will in the second half of the second season.

    I think that it would be better to move this conversation to the “GateWorld Podcast: SGU Cancellation Shout-Back!” thread, see you all there…

  122. Jim
    January 31, 2011 at 2:08 pm |

    @Jago77 Yes I’m absolutely on board and that is the right way to go,without skipping any of the neccessary steps.I love your enthusiasm,btw!
    I especially like that you see eye to eye with me about uniting all Stargate fans and stopping the stupid fan wars!

  123. jonah1956
    January 31, 2011 at 9:14 pm |


  124. worgel
    January 31, 2011 at 10:56 pm |

    What can a fan say that has not already been said?

    Well for starters…Please reverse the decision to cancel SGU.

    Sure it has some issues but the show is/was evolving. I would hate to see the end of outer space related TV. I lived through 80’s TV and let me tell you that for the most part it was pretty terrible.
    If Next Generation had not come along when it did we would still be watching Matlock today and that is a horror story in itself.
    Sorry…getting off topic.
    SGU does need to be adjusted, but not to a major degree. Many people hate the “stones” but really they are the only way that I personally could accept a new character being onboard destiny plus I do enjoy seeing these characters in other bodies on earth. Lets face it, Destiny is just too far out to make a believable story where the Daedalus meets up with the Destiny and lots of cool stuff happens…well at least not until the second half of a possible season 3…cough.

    And the actors themselves are doing a fine job.
    Granted some of the characters are a bit wooden or whiny but that will all get sorted out. I do agree with many fans in that some of the actors are a probably a bit young to be portraying specific characters but we all have to get passed that. Just be thankful that the people in charge are of an appropriate age.

    In closing I repeat “Please reverse the decision to cancel SGU”.

    Thats all for now.

  125. Jim
    January 31, 2011 at 11:42 pm |

    @worgel I’m with you..after this season of SGU is over,that’ll be the first time after 86′ that we don’t have a space exploration show on tv..and that is just a sad,sad fact.
    It’s even worse when you think about the potential of the SGU premise and the fact that,as you say the show was evolving.
    But,in the end the damage,unfortunately has already been done and I get it,I get many of the fan’s objections.Because when you think about the story potential,this could have been the new TNG,the new Stargate for that matter and a good one!Them being far out there,literally where no man has gone before,doing stuff,exploring new,amazing things,justifying their budget in the end.
    And regarding character driven,a lot more real and interesting drama between the characters and within them could have been going on.Instead what we got was a space version of a “cabin fever”..Big Brother style.
    It really did pick up later on and showed what it was and could be all about,but by that point it was already too late..too many viewers have been lost and it’s “destiny” sealed.

  126. DarkCon
    February 1, 2011 at 4:39 am |

    Well if their nothing good on tv, I don’t think I need tv then It will just save me money, and Reality show are just as lame, If I Want real, I’ll look in the mirror!

  127. DarkElfa
    February 1, 2011 at 11:37 am |

    I for one am done with SyFy. They now officially have nothing I’m interested in seeing.

  128. mythos
    February 1, 2011 at 2:19 pm |

    There’s just not enough interest to bring SGU back and I’m not just saying that because I’m not particularly in favor of it coming back for the reasons I’ve mentioned before. The bottom line is that there aren’t enough people who want it. Even Gateworld doesn’t have enough SGU fans to get the attention of the powers that be and from what I’ve seen, it appears to be the largest and most active of the sites dealing with the show by quite a bit. Maybe this will get enough attention for Darren to put up a poll asking if people would be willing to donate but I’m guessing that most will say no and you can only count on a fraction of those who say yes to actually come through. Ideally such a poll would have something like the following for possible responses:

    A small amount (less than $50)

    Keeping in mind that unless the poll tally comes in at a value of over $1,000,000 there wouldn’t be any hope of there being enough interest. And no, $1,000,000 wouldn’t cut it and as mentioned, just because someone says they will, it doesn’t mean they actually would. But if the number got over that value from those who say they would, then across the various fan groups around the world there’s a potential to hit the mark. But I’d be beyond amazed if it really hit that point. There was more interest in an SGA movie and I don’t think it could get the money to make it happen. And keep in mind, I’m talking about enough money to make an SGU movie, not the kind of money it would take for another season. I can guarantee that there’s no way that enough money for that could be raised by fans, not unless one of them was willing to donate a HUGE amount to fill the gap.

    Also, what people need to keep in mind is that this money would not have any return value. Even if the money was raised, it wouldn’t mean you’d get free dvd’s or blu-rays or itunes downloads out of it. Theoretically, you may be entitled to part of the profits from sales of the movie but I can pretty much guarantee that it would amount to nothing. You may get $1 for every $100 you put into it if anything. Thanks to ‘Hollywood Accounting’, movies and tv shows never make money from an accounting perspective. So this would essentially be a donation without even getting the tax break for it. Which, honestly, there are better uses for that money. Though everyone is free to choose how they would spend their own money.

    But here’s the real kicker. SGU has fractured the Stargate fanbase badly. No movie or continuation of the series is going to cover that. How many would only donate money if they were guaranteed that the changes they want were enacted? What if those changes make others change their mind? This is why the idea can’t realistically work. There would be no way to make everyone happy. Even the fans of SGU didn’t, for the most part, like it just like it was. The problem with a show written in this way is that the people whom do like it all want it to play out their way. There’s no consensus that I can see on any of the characters except perhaps Eli. I’ve seen the barely any desire to remove him or change his character. But I’ve seen plenty of desire to change or remove all of the others.

    So by all means, let it be known that there is a market and audience for Stargate. But do so realizing that the future of SGU won’t hinge upon it. The best outcome is an SGU movie about getting the people home rather than completing it’s mission. Humanity’s not ready to know the secrets of the universe inside or outside of the Stargate universe.

  129. Jim
    February 1, 2011 at 4:25 pm |

    Now that I think about it..something doesn’t add up with the story.If Destiny had been sent on it’s mission by the Ancients and with the old version of the tech,including Stargates,so naturaly,before they ascended and before they even left the Milkyway..how could it’s ultimate mission be greater than ascencion..and if it was,if it became that in the meantime..why didn’t they finish it once ascended?

  130. Jim
    February 1, 2011 at 4:34 pm |

    Basically,It may have been that the PTB,bit off more that they could chew,because they have poked into such a great idea,it may have been too great.What I’m saying is that even though the show was picking up the paste,it doesn’t neccessarily mean it would continue with a coherrent enough story.The more I think about the very premise,the more holes I’m seeing.
    Guess we’ll be able to say somewhat more,once we see the other half of season two.

  131. mythos
    February 1, 2011 at 5:04 pm |

    @Jim – That would be a relative issue. There’s nothing to say that the ‘universe’ as it applies to ascended beings is necessarily the same as it applies to us. They’ve never said it isn’t the same, but they’ve never said that it is. Since there’s no reason that it has to be, this leaves the question unanswered. As a result, they may have simply lost interest in what was the origins of our universe because it may no longer have been their universe. But this is a very loose concept at best. And an example of the direction that SGU took away from the ‘sci’ aspect of scifi.

    It’s also possible that they found the answer when they ascended or that they, as a race, had removed themselves so far from the equation that they no longer saw the value in knowing. The Asgard were used as an example of how even a much more advanced race could fail. Maybe the failing of the Alterans is that they thought that the key revolved around in separating themselves from the ‘lower levels’ when it may not be the case. It has been said that there are different levels of ascension but it’s never been made clear what differentiates one from another.

    So they’ve left it very wide open which goes along with the reason why I didn’t want SGU to continue. They created something too big to end in such a way. No answer could be good enough.

  132. worgel
    February 1, 2011 at 11:10 pm |

    @Jim – Thanks for feedback.
    Having to wait 2 to 3 years for a theatrical space adventure is now all we space junkies will get. Add to the fact that said space adventure will surely lack in serious and realistic character development and any decent amount of logic, although at this point I’ll take what I can get.
    But again I’m getting off topic.
    I am a huge fan of space related scifi above any other type of scifi so I watch SGU. This season so far has been fair to good. I expect the second half will be as good or better.
    Up here in Canada SGU airs on the “Space” channel twice on Friday night. Half the time I watch the early broadcast and the other half the later.
    I personally think watching Scifi later in the evening/early in morning is more enjoyable.
    I will definitely watch the second half this April, if only to get 10 more precious weeks of outer space fare.
    Should MGM and SyFy decide to make a mini-series ala Farscape to end the series then I will most certainly buy the DVD’s. Well I’ll probably buy them anyway and add them to my collection of other begotten series such as Space: Above and Beyond, War of the Worlds and of course Firefly.

    Thats my nickle for now

  133. Jim
    February 1, 2011 at 11:48 pm |

    @mythos But see,that is exactly my point,when they ascended it was more than implied on more than one occasion that they aquired the knowledge of the entire Universe,period.On all levels,because they still poses all of the knowledge that applies to lower plains of exsistence,including technology,plus all the other knowledge there is.Also it was implied that they are pure consciusness existing as a form of energy,still needing Stargates to traverse great distances,so that would assume still having to follow the laws of our universe,with an addition that they just know so much more about those natural laws.
    And another thing,if what they know as ascended beings is so great that they either loose interest in our plain of existence,or don’t even have to follow the same basic rules,again I go back to my point,how can Destiny’s mission/discovery ever be greater,than ascenscion,looking at the bigger picture?My answer is,logicaly it cannot be.
    So,no I wouldn’t say they created something too big,but they definitely tried.Unsuccesfuly,I’m starting to think.

  134. Jim
    February 1, 2011 at 11:57 pm |

    @worgel…Oh my God,yes..Space:Above and Beyond!!I completely forgotten about that amazing show,oh man I need to rewatch that!Thank you for reminding me,because now I at least have that..going back to past,instead of looking forward to new things!
    And,obviously,yes Firefly,Farscape..all brilliant works of “art”,as far as I’m concerned and all prematurely ended.You definitely share my taste in sci-fi.

  135. mythos
    February 2, 2011 at 8:55 am |

    @Jim – Actually they stated that ascending doesn’t automatically give you the knowledge of the universe, it just opens you up to the possibilities. This was directly stated by Daniel in the episode(s) where he came back, when Jack was being held prisoner by Baal and when they were searching for the Eye of Ra. So they don’t automatically know everything, they can just learn much faster. And it’s never been implied that they ‘need’ to use Stargates to travel long distances. We’ve seen them use stargates, but that’s no reason to assume that they had to. Though, theoretically, while holding any form, the fastest form to take would still be built around photons which can’t travel past the speed of light on their own, so a stargate would be faster while holding a form. But there’s no inherent reason that they have to. There may also be ‘rules’ about it. They were willing to risk their race and way of life being destroyed to keep to their rules so there’s no reason to think there aren’t others.

    As for ascension being greater than the mystery of the universe, there’s 2 problems with your logic. First, Daniel already stated that there was more than one level of ascension (same episodes mentioned above) so there is something greater than ‘ascended’ which means there is a possibility that what Destiny is looking for is greater than ascension. And second, different does not inherently mean better. Just because ascension made them lose interest, that wouldn’t automatically assume it wasn’t still something beyond their understanding. Maybe they simply realized that they were better off not knowing. Or that they didn’t want to know. Once you actually knew everything, even for an ascended being, things would get a little boring. Particularly when you consider that with everything that has occurred in the shows, knowing everything would mean you could basically rebuild the universe however you wanted. Way too much power and if you knew ‘everything’, even if you would have not considered it before…you’d get bored. Particularly a race of people whom made ‘learning’ the cornerstone of their way of life. Which brings to mind the idea that they may have been going for the angle that by finding the origins of the universe, Destiny’s crew actually accomplishes this and restarts the creation of the universe…which would be horrible. I can only hope that’s not what they were going for.

  136. Jim
    February 2, 2011 at 10:13 am |

    @mythos Yeah,but different levels of ascension is still ascension essentially,diference would be only in degrees,if you put it that way.
    It’s like once you get to an inteligente form of life,that’s it,a quality in it’s own right,although there is a difference between a caveman and a modern man in degree of inteligence,not only in amount of knowledge,in our case for instance.
    And the way I understood what Daniel had said,was related to him and beings like him specifically,who had been helped in ascending.He wasn’t one of the original Ancients and didn’t do it on his own.
    Even if it just opens up the possibility of understanding the universe completly,again that’s it,the doors is unlocked,it’s again a matter of degree.
    And I’m sorry,but I just wouldn’t buy the explanation that a race of people who literaly did make learning the cornerstone of their way of life,as you said it yourself,would simply decide to stop learning,cause they’re better off not knowing..because they would otherwise get bored!?Come on…
    And I don’t understand what did you mean when you said that Destiny’s crew by discovering the origins of the universe accomplishes ‘this and restarts the creation of the universe..’Accomplishes what exactly and how does that restart creation of the universe?
    Also what does restart mean,does it mean that the creation of the universe stopped at some point,or their discovery would delete and restart it again?Of course that those are rethorical questions,but my point is,all of that seems too much as reaching and I can’t buy any of it really.
    I’ve started to believe that at some point TPTB simply over reached and made a mess of things,that cannot be untangled in any coherrent and logical way.And why,because they wanted something more than ascension and Ancients,instead of properly unraveling the mistery of it and the backstory of them.I feel there is still a lot of material and untold stories there.

  137. Jim
    February 2, 2011 at 10:55 am |

    Oh,I forgot about the example of the stargate travel.About that,what you are saying @mythos..was kinda my point.You have only two options there;a)They are not gods,just more evolved creatures,which has been implied continuously on many levels,throughout the stargate mythology.In which case,as you say they do have to use stargates to travel long distances,because then,the laws of universe apply to them and that is the fastest way of travelling ftl…but in that case,why did they abandone Destiny’s mission?
    or..b)they are virtualy indistinguishable from gods,or God,for that matter,because,the laws of the universe don’t apply to them,they can completely skip them,they can travel the speed of thought,they can do anything…in which case,Desriny and it’s mission,as I said,is “yesterday’s news”.

  138. mythos
    February 2, 2011 at 12:01 pm |

    @Jim – I’m not sure I follow what you’re saying regarding ascension and cavemen vs modern man. Saying that ascension is still ascension would be like saying that there’s little difference between cavemen and modern man.

    As for not believing that the ancients would want to not know the meaning of the universe, consider the Ori. The ancients knew that the Ori could destroy them but they did little to intervene. It’s entirely plausible that they would decide that some things are best left unknown even for them. What would you do after learning all of the mysteries of the universe? Just sit and watch while events that you can already see the outcome of unfold?

    As for the “restarts the creation of the universe”, it was just a shot in the dark at a possible plan for the outcome of SGU. One that I hope wouldn’t have been the goal as it would have been bad. If given access to all of the information of the universe, it would be possible to bend time and space in pretty much any way you want. By pretty much any definition, you would be god.

    I agree that the powers that be did over-reach and went down the wrong path. There was no good way for SGU to end with such a mission. It would either be tremendously disappointing ala “found the answer to the origin of the universe but there’s nothing useful in the knowledge” or the human race slingshots past the ancients, the asgard, the nox and the furlings. Way too messy and any attempt for something in the middle would have to be very forced. So it was just a bad, bad, bad path. Even if they hadn’t gone for the soap angle, it would still be a bad path to go down.

    As for the stargates, I don’t follow the relevancy of being gods and using stargates. There’s no reason a being would need to be a god to not need a stargate or that the laws of our universe apply to them. There’s no reason why only a god could defy the laws of our universe. And ascended beings have been shown to move through space without using a stargate. I’m actually having a hard time thinking of an instance where ascended beings were shown using a stargate where there weren’t extenuating circumstances. Also, what we thought was ‘our universe’ 50 years ago is drastically different from what ‘our universe’ is now and it will be drastically different in another 50 years, in regards to our understanding of it. Many concepts that were once thought impossible in our universe have been found to be only very difficult. Teleportation, for example, has been shown to be implausible rather than impossible after they found that there is a way around the uncertainty principle. Creating a wormhole was once thought impossible but has now also been shown to be implausible rather than impossible. It just requires an amount of energy that is so far beyond our ability to generate energy that even if money and resources were unlimited, there’d be no way for us to generate the energy necessary. But the advances in materials like graphene are already starting to alter this perspective. So we don’t yet understand our universe well enough to determine whether something is truly breaking the laws of our universe.

  139. jonah1956
    February 2, 2011 at 1:28 pm |

    Oma used a stargate when she was taking the Harsesis child away.

  140. mythos
    February 2, 2011 at 4:59 pm |

    @jonah1956 – She had a non-ascended child with her. She may have had to use the stargate because of the child. Or it could have been done to make a display of it to make it clear not to follow. So there’s at least 2 reasons why she may have used the gate even if she herself didn’t need to.

  141. jonah1956
    February 2, 2011 at 11:06 pm |

    @mythos Ya sorry I realized that you said “weren’t extenuating circumstances” until after I sent it, sorry about that! :P

  142. Jim
    February 4, 2011 at 4:53 am |

    @mythos In fact there is little difference between caveman amd a modern man..in a power and abbility of comprehension,we are talking about homo sapiens in both instances.So I sad that as an example that once certain baryers are broken,that’s it.
    The other thing,I was commenting on a pure paradox.You ask me what would I do if I knew all the mysteries of the universe,would I just sit and watch…,but what would I do otherwise,if I decided to not know.It’s a paradox..we’re gonna stop learning,because if we don’t,we’ll learn everything there is and then what?Then there would be noting else to learn.That is basically your point.But if you make that choice it comes down to the same thing.If you deliberatly stop learning,the end result is the same.
    Travel,moving through space without the gates is possible for ascended beings,because they exist as a form of energy,but the max.speed is the speed of light,that’s why the gates are neccessary for long distances,I thought we agreed on that.
    And I was talking about them as gods,because contrary to what you are saying,some things are constant and not just in practice,but in theory as well..like the speed of light.The fact it is constant in the universe is not gonna change,ever..even if we learn much more about universe and will be able to understand and do much more.It is constant and it can not be exceeded by anything of substance,whether it is energy,or matter.If they are not limited by such fundamental principles of our universe,then there is no reasonable explanation what are they doing existing in our reality at all,regardless of them being on a higher plain.In that case they can,in principle exist in our universe only as almighty beings,virtually gods,creators of everything,or it is at least possible for them to do as much,which is a)lame explanation..if that is the case
    b)I’m not sure that is the case,because it was never introduced to us as such.

  143. mythos
    February 4, 2011 at 9:24 am |

    @jonah1956 – That’s the thing, I’m not saying that the ascended ancients definitely don’t need the stargate to travel, I’m just saying that it hasn’t been established. The other instance that came to mind was the episode of Atlantis where the ancient woman was forced to protect the planet because she had ‘interfered’ before. She was essentially on a ‘time out’ from the ascended ‘world’ and so they may have not let her do it any other way. So again, nothing definitive. And based on the science of the show, there’s no absolute reason for them to have to use a stargate at all and plenty of instances when they didn’t use a stargate (Daniel Jackson when he first ascended and on Anubis’ ship, Morgan La Fay on Atlantis and again on Celestis, the people on Abydos after Oma helped them ascend, etc.)

  144. mythos
    February 4, 2011 at 10:02 am |

    @Jim – I guess it depends on your definition of ‘caveman’. In the general sense, you’re right, as a caveman is just someone who lives in a cave. I, personally, generally think of it in terms of prior-evolutionary levels of mankind. So, assuming that you’re not using my definition, which there’s no reason why you would, I can see what you’re saying.

    As for the paradox, I don’t agree that it is a paradox. Learning the mysteries of the universe would essentially be ‘cheating’. It’s the cliff’s notes version of learning. You’d have the answers but lack the context. It is possible to continue learning and never reach that point. I think you’ve said elsewhere that you’re not a fan of Doctor Who, but it does provide the best example I can think of for my point. He knows the whole of time and space, yet there are still things that he doesn’t know. He could sit around and focus on learning those things, with unlimited time to do so but he instead chooses to experience life through the eyes of his companions, which I think most would because when you get to a certain point, the weight of how much you already know would make you not want to know everything. From a philosophical standpoint, it’s interesting because it gives merit to the idea that we were created as toys by a bored deity.

    Actually, the speed of light has only been proven to seem constant, not to be constant. Light could travel through a wormhole in real physics (this is an issue that stargate has never directly addressed – update: oh wait, they actually did, I just remembered the episode where I think it was Sokar that was bombarding the iris with photons to create an ‘image’ against it). As such, that light would be traveling faster than the speed of light constant. The physics here gets extremely tricky, but as with most ‘laws’ of our universe, they can be bent, we just haven’t gotten far enough to do it yet. And actually, the universe is changing all the time. It’s size is constantly expanding (and possibly even contracting in some places). As it’s shape shifts, it’s possible that some of what we know as ‘laws’ of our universe are broken. And there is ‘nothing’ out beyond the edge of the universe and ‘nothing’ can and has moved faster than the speed of light constant which is how inflation occurred in our early universe. So knowing everything wouldn’t mean that you’d know everything as a static element like words written from a book, but rather that you’d know the outcome of every dynamic situation that was constantly occurring in the universe as it’s in a state of flux. And where the speed of light is in particular question is at the edge of the universe. The speed of light constant probably doesn’t hold true when it’s moving against ‘nothing’. There are arguments for why it may move faster or slower but it’s not likely to move at the same speed. We define things in terms that we can understand to use in practical ways, but the deeper you go in physics, the more it’s true that there’s no such thing as a true ‘constant’…or perhaps more accurately, the definition of a ‘constant’ changes from ‘always true’ to ‘always true within a given set’.
    So being ascended would not necessarily make someone a ‘god’, but actually knowing how the universe worked essentially would. To give ‘god’ any type of scientific definition, it would have to be defined by what affect they could have on our universe. So someone whom could affect it in any way that they wanted would be a ‘god’.

  145. Jim
    February 5, 2011 at 12:57 am |

    @mythos Btw,I like discussing things with you!
    Yeah about that last point I agree with you and that is what I meant,but wouldn’t that be kind of a lame explanation of the Ancients.Oh,well,I at least think so.
    Discussing things on the edge of the universe,on the other hand is the only thing that is really tricky,because it is only theoretical and we know so little that anything goes basically at this point.So puting nothing under quotes was correct of you,because without knowing what is that nothing,how does it apply to other things,whether it is nothing at all is a question..so I don’t know and wouldn’t speculate on that.
    I don’t agree that ‘nothing’ or anything ever moved ftl.And I don’t agree that things are changing so much and the laws of the universe are being broken in those parts,so to say.That I would put in the category of just things that we don’t know enough about yet.And it is in big part connected with the dark matter versus dark energy.
    I think that the thing about learning was paradox in the way you’ve put it,but I agree in one other thing,which I forgot to mention..I support the quantuum mechanics,more than the Einsteins idea about theory of everything,which also means that I am the supporter of indeterminism..that’s why I acctually believe that you can never know,or predict everything.Because of the ever changing nature of things and the uncertainty principle.I somehow feel you understand this,whether you agree,or not,so I don’t feel the further need to explain my point on that.But that is already going out of the limits of this show.
    I don’t agree that if you send a light beam,through the stargate,meaning through the wormhole,it is moving faster than the speed of light.Because if you put it that way,everything is moving ftl,when going through the wormhole.Which isn’t true,because it only means traversing the distances in space ftl,but not by moving faster than light,rather by bending and poking holes in space,essentialy skipping that distance.
    And yes,I should have ben cleaner on the caveman thing.I meant homo sapiens in our youngest,earliest faze,living in caves,but mastering fire already..etc,etc.
    I didn’t mean neanderthals,or homo erectus,or,well you know what I mean,although,to some extent,that is true for those as well.
    Anyway keep it coming,you are the only person that actually makes me think,while posting,instead of just bla,bla about SyFy and blame this blame that.

  146. Cay
    February 7, 2011 at 11:34 am |

    I realized as I was writing it that that, that it was coming off creepy and right after it posted I wrote an email asking for it to be taken down. I got a response from Darren saying that while he would support any legit attempt, he is not organizing it.

    @ Jim & Mythos
    I have some catching up to do in this forum, however I can start the non-profit organization if we decide to be the ones to start collecting the money. We would have to write a quick mission statement and then use paypal for the collections. We can probably register a po box somewhere if there is anyone (probably little kids) who wants to send in cash. Fabla mentioned that it would take less than $20 a viewer and that would cover the budget for a season and a half. We should also come up with a cliche name, SGS stargate something.

    Mission Statement could be as simple as:
    “SG-S is collecting viewer donations for the support and continuation of the Stargate stories. Once a substantial amount of money has been collected, SGS will make every attempt to forward these donations to the SG franchise with the recommendation that it be used to continue the stories. While ideally we would like to see for the extension of SGU, if this is not possible, we believe that “Revolutions” or “Extinction” would also be a worthy cause. If all else fails and neither a fourth series or even a SGC miniseries starting Walter is not achievable, all donation will be sent passed on to Doctors without boarders or the Michael J Fox foundation or some other worthy cause.”

    Clearly, as Mythos mentions, this would be a straight donation, you give your money and cross your fingers that another station picks it up. Though we could probably start a series of shirts on Zazzle to show your SG support. Shirts could cost $35, so that becomes a $20 donation after Zazzle’s fees. Though I am guessing due to copyrights we couldn’t mention “Stargate” or show the gate. So just a saying like “Keep the Gate Open” or something. Though if we got sued, what would they do, take our donations? We would have achieved our goal.

    And Jim, I think if we can start with your $10,000 donation, that would certainly give the founders of our cause some creditability.

    Let me know if anyone is willing to start this with me.

  147. Jim
    February 7, 2011 at 1:52 pm |

    @Cay I’d be willing to donate the money,because I understand it is a donation and not an investment.But unfortunately I simply cannot commit myself to organizing it,because I’m in the military and the nature of my current job requires of me to spend at least 40-60% of my time overseas.The catch is I never know when that is going to happen.So I think you should try and arrange something with Jago77 and you can contact me

  148. Jago77
    February 7, 2011 at 7:21 pm |

    Good to have you back Cay :P
    Yes, i am willing to start this project with you.
    As for Jim & Darren, it’s good to know that we have there supports.

    Me & you would work on it, with the support of Darren, GW, SG Unite & other SG sites.
    I think that the combination of SG petitions,
    fans donations, MGM support, & TPTB support would make saving/bringing back the SG Franchise successful.

  149. Jago77
    February 7, 2011 at 7:30 pm |

    There are also other GW members who thought about ways to help the SG Franchise.

    redleade quote “SGU should go directly to ITunes or digital media distribution and skip the middle man.”

    gilbak quote “Is it not possible for other networks possibly from another country to fund SGU ?”

    dtguitar quote “since MGM owns the Stargate franchise, isn’t it possible that it could lease it to another network that might be interested in picking up the show?”

    knowles2 quote “I think MGM should use SGU and the Stargate franchise to explore new ways to sell there content directly to the audience, it’s the way the industry is moving, in the UK several productions firms are already moving ahead with developing their own distribution channels on new platforms such as Google TV or Youview, basically they are apps that live on these platforms but act as channels. The British Film council an Kudos Productions are both working on such project.”

  150. Jago77
    February 7, 2011 at 7:32 pm |

    Slayme quote”
    How about a public broadcaster that’s seen in Canada and US? I was thinking of WTVS Detroit or a similar broadcaster. This was the broadcaster that enabled me to watch the entire original Doctor Who series (the first 7 Doctors) during the 80′s. It was commercial free broadcasting which was great as the average length of those old Doctor Who eps was 90 minutes WITHOUT commercials!

    Let’s say that there are 5 million StarGate fans between US and Canada (I think we can all agree that I’m being conservative with that number). Then let’s say that each of them pledges $20 a year. That’s $100 million for new Stargate programming. Imagine more fans, pledging more money. Everybody could get what they want: more seasons of SGU, more SG-1/SGA movies.

    It’s time and past time to scrap the old advertising based system, get rid of all the dross that floods the channels these days and pay for the shows we REALLY want to watch!!!”

  151. Jago77
    February 7, 2011 at 7:34 pm |

    – SGU News –
    – Joseph Mallozzi Weblog quote –

    “Speaking of buzz – I exchanged emails with Brad today and he reports another major hurdle has been cleared. Almost there, Stargate fans. Again, this is show business, so even the most promising of scenarios can go sideways fast (and dead-end scenarios turn around just as quickly). Nothing is written in stone but things are looking MUCH better now than they did last week when things looked much better than they did the week before. Meetings are still ongoing and I, like most of you, am really beginning to feel antsy. Hopefully, by the time we head back into the office for the Day 1 Mix of Blockade, we’ll have something more substantial to discuss. :)

  152. Jago77
    February 7, 2011 at 7:47 pm |

    – It seems like MGM is looking favorably at the continuation of the SG Franchise.

    -P.S. I don’t think that the T-shirts or donations to charity are fitting ideas to implement in this project.
    I think people are going to prefer being reimburse.

  153. Jago77
    February 7, 2011 at 8:05 pm |

    I think that it would be great to have all of the SG-1 & SGA fans support.

    – The SG-1 Revolution movie &
    – The SGA extinction movie would definitely be part of our mission statement.

    I agree about starting a non-profit organization & using Paypal for the collections.

    Now. we just have to agree about SGU & a fourth SG show…

  154. Cay
    February 8, 2011 at 1:58 am |

    Wow, that’s a lot of thinking youve done on the topic, I will try to hit it all.
    After posting and after getting an email from Darren Sumner, I thought about it and maybe the collection donations and “a big lump sum [of money] dropped on MGM’s doorstep” (Sumner’s words) would be wrong. He comments that “MGM is already highly invested in the franchise and doesn’t need fan donations to convince them to continue.” Darren also made it clear in his email that GW can not endorse a fundraiser.

    And I agree. What they need is a venue, a station willing to buy seasons of SG, or however tv works. And since Syfy no longer airs science fiction, encouraging TBS or TNT or Spike maybe the better route. If we did a letter campaign (not emails) to a station, that maybe a better crusade.

    Or, they could go real bold and make a subscription site which would allow MGM to do a ‘direct to the viewer’ broadcast. If, like you said, they (or we, depending on how bold) charge $20 for a season -$1 an episode- and allow viewers to watch it live online, that would work. It would be a strange concept but doable. Like you said they do that in Europe, why not America. Hulu, iTunes, Amazon are already set up to do this. $1 ($2 for hd) for a 24hr rental, $3 or $5 to own digitally. Hopefully people would still buy the BluRays and DVDs, I know I will.

    It’s a good idea and for all we know that is the hurdle that Brad Wright was talking about in that quote.

    I don’t know where that leaves the fundraiser, since we would no longer be collecting money for MGM. I suppose if we were feeling entrepreneur-like we could start our own e-air site, but that seems like a lot of legwork. While I have taken a few classes in web design, we would need servers and lawyers and people and of course money… of course, GateWorld already has all those things *hint-hint nudge-nudge* if you’re reading Darren.

    At this point, the only reason to start the NPO would be to legitimize ourselves. What we need is information from the source. I understand that the producers want to keep information to themselves. But we are eager to help, we just need to know how. So…

    @ Mallozzi, Wright, etc (since they are obviously reading this)
    Let us know how to help. Please give us more than vague information.

    Darren says “The better way to support more Stargate would be reasoned and thoughtful letters (not e-mails) to the studio heads”.

    If anyone knows a studio head, please post their studio mailing address.

  155. Cay
    February 8, 2011 at 2:19 am |

    As far as choosing a fourth series or the changes SGU “needs,” I don’t really want a part in that. The writers have entertained me thus far, I wouldn’t want to impede on that.

    I can say I wish we saw some more of the SG1 and SGA characters, but if they are too busy floating off the shore of San Francisco or establishing a Jaffa government to be seen wandering around the SGC, I understand.

    I also like that McCay (and Weir??) were seen in SG1 then brought to Atlantis. So if they make a 4th series where they go off and find the Furling’s new galaxy; I would like it if that happened again, it just makes it seem more real. So in this new Stargate series, Syler and Walter captaining their own ships would be amazing.

    But those are my personal opinions and I’m not a writer. That is someone’s job to make those decisions. I am just trying to help make sure SG can continue to entertain me. But if they want to hire me as a creative consultant, I am ready and willing.

    Anyways the above was my thoughts on our campaign, for tonight at least. I’m sure that could all change by morning.

  156. Cay
    February 8, 2011 at 2:23 am |

    And as far as those shirts go.
    If I am paying $20 for a season subscription to SGU, why not pay $35 or $40 and get a shirt out of the deal? It makes it feel like it’s a free shirt, and everyone loves a free shirt.
    And for MGM and SG, it’s advertising for them that they are actually making money on. I can’t think of a more win-win situation.

  157. Jago77
    February 8, 2011 at 11:36 am |

    I don’t think anyone would ever just drop money on MGM front door & say that it’s for SG, we would have to organize a fundraiser project from A to Z.
    Knowing from the beginning who would end up with the money & that it would be somebody we all trust(Brad Wright for example)to use it for
    the continuation of the SG Franchise

    About the shirts, i think it’s a good idea if it’s optional.

    – 20$ a season

    – 40$ a season & a T-shirt

  158. Jago77
    February 8, 2011 at 11:47 am |

    Cay quote “What they need is a venue, a station willing to buy seasons of SG, or however tv works. And since Syfy no longer airs science fiction, encouraging TBS or TNT or Spike maybe the better route. If we did a letter campaign (not emails) to a station, that maybe a better crusade.

    Yes, i am willing to help/support this project.
    And Jim was also mentioning the Space channel
    Jim quote “Space,from what I hear is way better and deals way better with publicizing some of the same shows SyFy,or CW air or had aired before.

  159. Jago77
    February 8, 2011 at 12:00 pm |

    So you think a letter campaign is a better idea, for now…

    – Try to convince other networks to air SG shows

    – Try to convince MGM to do a ‘direct to the viewer’ broadcast

    I think the head of MGM said that it’s something they were interested in pursuing…

  160. Jago77
    February 8, 2011 at 12:01 pm |

    Gary Barber and Roger Birnbaum, new Co-Chairmen and Chief Executive Officers of MGM, said in a press release. “We are honored and inspired at the opportunity of leading one of Hollywood’s most iconic studios into its next generation of unforgettable film making, global television production and distribution, and aggressively pursuing, developing and exploiting new digital entertainment platforms.

    So, that’s a good start.

  161. Jago77
    February 8, 2011 at 12:12 pm |

    I remember in a interview Brad Wright saying
    that the Stargate Franchise is the second most
    important/profitable franchise for MGM ; James Bond being the first one.

    So, i am thinking that Darren Sumner is right about MGM not needing to much incentive to continue the SG Franchise.
    But, you see, the question remains
    – What’s the best way to move foward with this Franchise ?

  162. worgel
    February 8, 2011 at 8:53 pm |

    Is Stargate dead? I think not!
    Will SGU be saved? Not sure about that one.
    Hopefully yes!
    Will there be a reboot (I hate the word)?
    In this fans opinion…Unfortunately yes.
    MGM has seen what Paramount did with Trek and they want the same with SG. I just wish that they could at least give a proper ending to all past and present incarnations of SG first. Come on MGM, I promise in addition to SG I’ll buy all the box sets of Bond to boot. now you can’t say no to that…Come on!!

  163. Jim
    February 9, 2011 at 1:44 pm |

    @worgel Considering everything,I’m afraid I agree with you on MGM’s intentions with the Stargate franchise,as well as share the same wish for them to give an ending to previous incarnations,first of all..preferably proper ending.

  164. mythos
    February 9, 2011 at 6:01 pm |

    Trying to catch up:

    @Jim – The “speed of light” isn’t actually very well defined. The most common accepted definition actually refers to the speed of light in a known vacuum relative to a set of observers. Both quantum entanglement and quantum uncertainty allow for particles to move faster than the ‘speed of light’. Also, the speed of light limit technically only refers to something with mass. Then there are the theories about tachyons. So there are plenty of ‘loopholes’ available. Cosmologically, some things pretty much have to be moving faster than the speed of light (or at least objects with mass greater than a photon are moving at the speed of light which still breaks the speed of light constant). So while we can’t yet control it, that alone doesn’t make it impossible. There’s work being done to try to disprove that the speed of light is as much of a barrier as is thought, the problem is that modern physics is so much based around the idea that it is, it’s difficult to move forward with such an idea because there’s no system in place to support it. Most of the work done on it has the inherent flaw that it’s trying to disprove the speed of light constant rather than trying to redefine physics which is much harder. As for the issue with wormholes and the speed of light, anything that would go into a wormhole would be slightly accelerated as it’s pulled across the event horizon. It may not be much, but it would make anything going fast, no matter how fast, go faster. But since neither of us can actually prove our positions we’re not likely to actually convince the other. :P But I do agree that it’s fun to talk about.

    @all involved with the idea of funding SGU – You first goal would be to prove that the money could be raised. This is going to prove very difficult as there is no actual indication that there are 5 million people willing to donate $20 each. These are numbers that were pulled out of the air. The worst thing that could happen is that you get this started, raise a million dollars and then everything falls flat. What do you do with that money? It’s easy to say that you just donate it but there are legal implications that would have to be addressed. So you’d first need a steering committee and then legal counsel and then the formation of the entity. This would require a lot of time and money to even get to the early stages without even knowing it would matter. You would need to do all of this just so you could go to MGM and show your intent. Which leads to the next element you would need. An industry contact with the means to get a meeting with MGM. You could even raise $100 million and get nowhere because MGM’s not in play (which, in retrospect, would probably be even worse than raising a million and getting nowhere). But you don’t want to start raising money without MGM in play because you could do all of this and only then find out that MGM is selling Stargate to someone else with their own plans for it. You need to be in-the-loop with the Stargate people at MGM in order to get anywhere. Then there’s the issue that what if you do actually come up with $100 million? That would be enough to entirely fund many stargate movies. Sounds great, doesn’t it? Only then that also means potentially making a profit. If you’re taking the money as donations, this creates a problem. A better option would be to sell stock in an company that exists for the sole purpose of expanding the Stargate franchise. This would be very difficult to do, but if pulled off, would draw tremendous attention because it would be the first time such a thing had been done that was aimed at small-time investors (they do it all the time for movies, but with groups giving millions of dollars each rather than a lot of people buying very small amounts). But again, I have a feeling that if you tried to find out how many people would be willing to buy-in, either as a donation or some sort of stock, the numbers will be much lower than you thought. Even if there were 5 million people in the US that watched any of the Stargate shows, only a small percentage would actually be willing to put money into it. Look at the dvd sales figures for the Stargate movies to see what I mean. It looks like there are about 750 thousand people in the US willing to pay money for Stargate dvd’s. You’re asking them to put up money for which they won’t even get the dvd’s. It’s going to be a hard sell.

  165. Jago77
    February 9, 2011 at 6:57 pm |

    Thanks for your feedback Mythos.
    We were talking about doing a letter campaign
    1 – Try to convince other networks to air SG shows

    2 – Try to convince MGM to do a ‘direct to the viewer’ broadcast

    But i still think that a fundraiser is a good idea.We would need, like you said, an industry contact with the means to get a meeting with MGM.Hadn’t thought about selling stock in a company that exists for the sole purpose of expanding the Stargate franchise…
    But first, let me ask you, if we were going to start a letter campaign, would you join us ?
    And two, do you believe a fundraiser would work? & if you do, do you believe it would be the kind that can finance ads to encourage(like Farscape did) the production of SG Revolution & SG Extinction or do you think it would be the kind that finances one or both movies ?

    @Cay – What do you two think about this new idea ?

  166. mythos
    February 9, 2011 at 7:52 pm |

    1) An abstract letter campaign wouldn’t even get noticed. You need someone to actually communicate to these networks that these letter campaigns are even occurring. The mail would never make it to people who matter otherwise.

    2) A ‘direct to the viewer’ broadcast probably wouldn’t work in this case for SGU. It would mean pay cuts and this isn’t the type of cast that would likely go for that.

    And a fundraiser isn’t necessarily a bad idea, it just needs to be handled properly which isn’t particularly easy.

    As for whether I’d join in, it depends on the definitive goals. I’m not particularly interested in SGU but if it were for an SGA or SG1 movie, then I probably would join in.

    As for the fundraiser working, I’m not really sure. I think it potentially could raise the kind of money for some key ads. As for the money to finance the movies, that’s really hard to say. I don’t think there’s enough people willing to put $20 in to pull that off. But there could be some willing to put more into it, potentially a lot more. However, as I mentioned, the idea of funding production comes with a lot more hoops that have to be jumped through. It doesn’t seem like there are even more than a few people here whom are chiming in that they’re interested in the idea. And this is a site full of fans.

  167. Jim
    February 9, 2011 at 11:41 pm |

    @mythos Actually,you are right about anything with mass..that’s why I said anything of substance,because I was trying to talk within the parameters of the show and supposed nature of the ascended Ancients.Including not just the mass,but the energy,particules,etc..as opposed to,I don’t know,pure “spirit”,which would be the nature of ascended beings if they were not limited by those principles.But that never has been explained,so yes,we can only speculate about it.And you’re right about speeding up and even before breaking the event horizon barrier,due to gravitational effects.Anything of mass would be sped up near to the speed of light and not only would,it happens near real black holes.Now I don’t know what would happen to light,because traveling faster would mean going back in time.And that is only accounting for black holes and real life physics.Because,a stable wormhole is beyond that concept,at least beyond my understanding of math.And to really understand what would happen in a wormhole,one would need to understand Einsteins equasions,going beyond the concept of singularity,taking in account so called white hole,on the other side and so on.That is only theoretical and can only be expressed by the language of mathematics,beyond my knowledge of it.

  168. mythos
    February 10, 2011 at 11:36 am |

    @Jim – The more we talk about this, the more it’s clear how good the writers did on SG1 and SGA to avoid binding themselves to anything completely impossible. They seem to have left all of the key things open-ended. Makes you wonder if they had really good advisors involved or if they just got really lucky.

  169. Cay
    February 11, 2011 at 2:02 am |

    @ anyone listening at this point.

    Mythos, your longer comment from the 9th, I am with 100%.
    After seriously thinking about it there are way too many variables for the fundraiser to work, especially the way we hope. It’s a complete crap-shoot. Like you said, even if we managed to collect $100M, MGM might not give a damn, then what? As far as making money on it, I don’t think that would be an issue, because it would be a donation anyways and the mass donation wouldn’t be under anyone’s name, it would just be a donation. I suppose with $100M we could just be the producer’s ourselves, and since we would be a NPO it would return back to SG… but this is all just BS, there is really no point in talking about it.

    You’re right that before anything, the first step would be trying to figure out how many people would be interested in giving $20 anyways. I asked Darren, he said that there’s no point to running a poll on GW. Apparently there are some passionate hackers that mess with the polls on here. A quick thought on the DVD sales, 750,000 x $20 = $15M. And thats taking into account that everything SG is available for free on HULU. And the SGU series had a $1M/ep budget, that’s at least makes a movie ending the series, we can pick it up again in a few years or decades. At first I thought you had a really good point, but while I type this I am not sure. But again, the entire collection idea is way too crazy to predict.

    And I really don’t think that a letter campaign would do much of anything. I don’t think Stargate is dead, maybe SGU and the games, but not the entire thing. I think people are more likely to give $20 to a collection than handwrite a letter to MGM.

    So Jago, I personally know people that would donate. I’m guessing you have a handful of friends that would do the same. That brings us up to an optimistic $500. We need to know for sure that we have interest before we move ahead. If you can think of a way to find more interested parties, let me know. Because if we can prove we can collect a significant amount of money, it might be worth it. What we need it to be in the loop with MGM and SG. And collecting a ton of money on their behalf, should at least get us that far. It’ll will at least be funny if it works, but MGM doesn’t care. It will be the largest charity donation on behalf of a television show, we can sponsor SGO Stargate Orphanage. Actually that might be a better idea anyways, that would get more publicity than us just handing the money over to MGM.

    As far as what is at the edge of the universe… static with a pattern. If SG tries to make any big claims as to the edge of the universe, I would suspect it wouldn’t be based in reality. Remember the Men in Black ending? The aliens rolling marbles, I wouldn’t be too surprised…

  170. Cay
    February 11, 2011 at 2:17 am |


    Idk, the more I think the more I realize that we are very little and this is very big. We either need to stop talking and start doing or sit back and relax.

    The only thing we really have going for us is that SG seems to care what the fans think, they brought Dr. Jackson and Beckett back because of viewer demand. But this isn’t really the same. I think they know we want more, they want to give us more, Syfy doesn’t.

    So convincing convincing Syfy, convincing another network, convincing MGM to try a different venue, is probably our best bet and likely in that order. The ‘direct to viewer’ broadcast being the craziest of ideas, but it’s a scifi series, so it probably has a better chance than most other shows.

    I feel like I am probably the strongest advocate for a campaign of any type, and even I haven’t convinced myself. But I feel like we really need to get the ball rolling soon. The series picks up again on the 7th and we should probably be trying to get ads or something for a campaign.

  171. Jim
    February 11, 2011 at 7:18 am |

    @mythos lol,that’s right..and even more so in context of SG-1 and SGA that you mention.I know they had science advisors and a strong military support back then,especially Air-Force.Don’t know about SGU,but I know that I wouldn’t pass those military personel from Icarus mission to be part of any SOF teams,which SG teams presumably are,or should be.

  172. mythos
    February 11, 2011 at 12:28 pm |

    @Cay – You are right in that time is running out. Taking out ads and running petitions and whatnot themselves don’t work. It’s the potential bump in viewership/rentals/dvd sales that can result from it that gets noticed. People’s devotion to the show doesn’t matter, it’s the number of people interested that matter. If you can somehow show that there is an untapped interest in something, then the powers that be will take notice. As an example, if SGU came back and got 4 million viewers a week for the rest of the season (not going to happen, but just using it as an example), it would get a 3rd season. So you need to let the powers that be know that you’re doing something and then get results with it.

    @Jim – I know they had military advisors involved but I always got the impression that they were soldiers rather than scientists. I would think it a bit too risky to have military scientists hanging around a group of people writing a show about secretive military technologies. Those types usually aren’t allowed to talk about anything that they’ve worked with which would make it hard for them to act as advisors. Now I highly doubt that they’re actually working with stargates but they could inadvertently step on some toes (particularly with the recent developments in things like cloaking technologies). So I would assume that if they had scientific advisors, they’d probably be private sector to avoid such things.

  173. Jim
    February 11, 2011 at 1:51 pm |

    @mythos I never mentioned military scientists,I just said they had scientific advisors as one thing and the other,completely separate thing I said they had military support.And when I say military support,I don’t even mean military advisors,in a sense of active duty airmen or soldiers on set.For that they probably had some ex-military guys,teaching them in basic thechniques of holding a weapon,type of body movement,especially in a group,the way of entering and clearing a room,some basics of hand signs,etc..And those guys did a good job,cause that was actually pretty realistic..as realistic as you might expect from a non military persons and even surprisingly realistic for a tv show,especially on SG-1,SGA..not so much,but still ok..SGU,not at all.I meant that they had general military support,because of favourable presentation of the US Military.And rightly so,I might add,especially because of the troops brotherhood portrayal,never leaving a man behind which they took from Marines..So that others may live..from PJs and so on.
    I don’t know where,or why did you read and/or understood anything about military scientist in my very short post..

  174. mythos
    February 11, 2011 at 6:23 pm |

    @Jim – You’re right, I did misread your post. I’m not really sure how I did it either. :P But after some digging, I found on some other sites that they did have at least one science advisor (no mention of military connection) and at least one military advisor, whom was apparently honorably discharged due to injury shortly before SG1 got started who happened to know someone attached to the show. Both were involved with SG1 and SGA, couldn’t find anything involving SGU.

  175. Jim
    February 12, 2011 at 8:55 pm |

    @mythos Why doesn’t it surprise me,you couldn’t find anything involving SGU?

  176. Jago77
    February 13, 2011 at 12:50 pm |

    I think i establish a new Gateword record for the longest post(had to break it down in 7 parts)
    I think that it express what i think is the best way to continue the SG Franchise.
    I think that with ads we could probably
    get a lot of people to watch the SGU episode were a few of the SGA team members are present.
    (I think that SYFY is still interested in SGA.)
    Anyway…you should probably all read my post(at least the end)
    in the Stargate Universe starts final episodes March 7 thread because before we move foward in a project we should all agree on what IS the best way to move foward with the SG Franchise.
    I am still very interested in getting involved in a project to help SG…

  177. worgel
    February 13, 2011 at 8:57 pm |

    Watching SG1 Season 3 right now.
    Gotta love those trees!
    Ha ha ha.
    But seriously, its just good entertainment.

  178. Jim
    February 13, 2011 at 9:05 pm |

    @worgel I’ve been thinking for a while now about a rewatch of SG-1 and SGA,but that really takes up a lot of time..I will do it,though..although I might skip some of the season 1 episodes,like Emancipation,lol!

  179. mythos
    February 14, 2011 at 12:24 pm |

    I’ve been re-watching SG1 (season 10 disc 3 of my set turned out to be a copy of Season 7 disc 1 – of course this is years after I bought it) and SGA. Such better shows. Not perfect, not dramatic, but damn fine entertainment.

  180. Jago77
    February 14, 2011 at 12:33 pm |

    @worgel – lol

    @Jim – Has long as you don’t miss Sight Unseen lol

  181. worgel
    February 14, 2011 at 11:23 pm |

    @Jim, Yeah that was a clunker of an ep.
    But its all part of the that great process called television. Mixing and matching characters and stories until the right combination is found, and of course dealing with limited budgets. Did I mention the trees.
    …If SG1 premiered today there is a good chance that it too would be having difficulties similar to what SGU is going through now. There seems to be a bullseye on anything space related these days.
    …I must stop babbling now and get some sleep.

  182. Jim
    February 15, 2011 at 1:11 am |

    @worgel Yeah,I’m pretty sure that if SG-1 premiered today it wouldn’t get the second season.They were really finding their footing in season one.The thing is they found it by the end of that first season,that ended with an awesome two parter and a cliffhanger!Yeah,sure.it had some silly episodes,but then again SG1 first season had also episodes like “Fifth Race”,”Thor’s Hammer” or “Torment of Tantalus”..which to this day are still some of my all time favorites!!

  183. flickshtain
    February 19, 2011 at 2:53 pm |

    What do you think about the dual episode “Heroes”, from the seventh season of SG1? It’s 90 minutes of real drama! How would it looked today? I watched it again. Fascinating as the first time.

  184. halfblind79
    February 20, 2011 at 6:42 am |

    We have to face facts. No matter how many “Save Stargate” campaigns there are, or how many letters are written, or how many fans protest, one thing remains constant. When a show is canceled, it is next to impossible to get it resurrected. Not enough money in the world would get a series “rebooted”. Ultimately, networks are more interested in getting advertisers in on the wrestling, reality TV (blech! I barf at the mention of it being called “reality” anything!), and celebrity drama shows. The fact is, sci-fi just doesn’t cut it anymore, and unfortunately, more and more viewers are turning to shows that feature the depression known as real life (even though that alone should be a turn off).

    Unfortunately, like the way of Star Trek, this franchise will probably not get a resurrection, but maybe decades down the road (if TV is still around after my cousin’s grandchildren have their own children), a remake or reboot is possible, but not likely.

    I’m sorry, but “Save [whatever show]” campaigns are not that effective. You can put in all the effort you want into it, but it just won’t produce the results you want it to.

  185. flickshtain
    February 20, 2011 at 3:21 pm |

    Pessimistic, but very logical. God, I dream that you were wrong. But … probably you’re right.

  186. mythos
    February 20, 2011 at 5:06 pm |

    @halfblind79 – Science Fiction is doing just fine. One of SGU’s main causes of failure was that it wasn’t science fiction. There’s never been a successful television Space Opera. It just doesn’t work. People whom get caught up in the mundane details of forced drama aren’t going to have the imagination necessary to deal with a space setting.

    And Star Trek has had several major resurrections, so they were a poor choice. Their first was when the first movie came out. The next was when TNG hit the air which lead to a very long period of various Star Trek shows being on the air and then the reboot with the new Star Trek movie. So, that’s probably the one story that you should have not picked to try to prove your point.

    And you’re wrong about it not mattering. Shows get cancelled because the networks fail to find an adequate market for them. If you can show that the market is actually there, it could happen. The reason it doesn’t tend to happen isn’t because you can’t affect the outcome but rather that it’s usually true that the show didn’t have a big enough market to continue. If you approached the network and told them you’d buy $100 million in advertising if they start SGU back up, they’d be on the phone with Wright before the ink on your check dried. So they’re not effective because the shows aren’t popular enough to make the money they need it to which is why they got cancelled in the first place.

  187. Aurelianus999
    February 20, 2011 at 11:02 pm |

    Honestly, I have been a science fiction fan during all my (long life). When the SciFi channel was created I was delighted for having a channel were good science fiction films and series would be created. SG1 and SGA were outstanding series, and I was sad to see them go. Then the SCIFI channel started broadcasting more “fantasia” (monsters, magic, vampires, ghosts & wolfman) NONE OF WHICH falls into “serious” speculative science fiction – wondering about other civilizations, parallel universes or even time travel. Yet, not until I found SGU (which I had missed – since I had stopped watching scifi vampire/ghost/wolfmen stupidity- I thought I would be able to return to SCIFI CHANNEL. I hAVE JUST FINISHED WATCHING ALL THE SGU SHOWS AND BECAME A HARD CORE FAN… ONLY TO FIND THAT THE SCIFI CHANNEL HAD ONCE AGAIN DISAPPOINTED ME BY CONTINUE WITH FANTASY BS INSTEAD OF REAL SCIFI ADVENTURES, CANCELLING SGU…

  188. Aurelianus999
    February 20, 2011 at 11:06 pm |

    @mythos – since you are undoubtedly the most active member of this forum, might I presume to ask you with the great favor of letting me know whether the SCIFI CHANNEL has had a change of heart (which I doubt) and/or whether is there anything I (as an individual) may do in order to contribute to the cause of reviving SGU?
    Thank You (not sure how you can inform me – LOL)

  189. mythos
    February 21, 2011 at 12:11 pm |

    @Aurelianus999 – I fear my stature here has been greatly misinterpreted. I don’t have any insider information on SGU. Everything I know about the show is from public sources (such as this site).

    I can tell you that based on said information, there’s no indication that Syfy (stopped being SCIFI a while ago) has changed it’s mind. Nor is there any real reason for it to. The show had very poor ratings. There has been some talk of fans attempting to find a way to get something to happen, but other than a few very small petitions, I’m not aware of a concerted effort to accomplish this.

    As for me being the most active member, not sure if that’s true or not but I just come on here to clear my head when my brain starts to melt from work. :P Or when I’m not working and my fiancee is out of town and I’m bored. :P

  190. Jago77
    February 23, 2011 at 11:03 am |

    I see Mythos :P

  191. Jago77
    February 23, 2011 at 11:05 am |

    – I am back from my bad cold, & i was wandering if any of you started a save SG project ?
    I think that the best project would be a fund raiser like they did on Farscape. What the fans did was raised over $300,000 to promote and build awareness of the Farscape universe.And, in the end, it worked.

    Now, considering that SG as a lot more fans(a lot,lot more), i think that it could work.
    My idea is to raise money to promote and build awareness of the SG universe; to show MGM & the SYFY channel that the fans are still interested in both SG-1 & SG-A.
    1 – We could show that we are still interested in both a SG-A & SG-1 movie.
    2 – We could also show that we are interested in a fourth SG series that combines both the SG-1 & SG-A teams members(depending on storylines & Availability).
    3 – We could also promote the SGU episode that features a few of the SG-A teams members….
    Help with the rating of that episodes.
    Good to be back, Let me know what do you all think ?

  192. worgel
    February 27, 2011 at 12:33 am |

    Watching SG1 and SGU for most of today. Finally…a day I don’t have to drive vehicle.
    Its cold here.

  193. flickshtain
    March 6, 2011 at 6:13 am |

    That’s what I think about the decision of SyFy:
    With regard to creativity and the arts, the opinion of the crowd is not always true. In the 18th, 19th and even 20th centuries, there were a lot of creative people who have not received the recognition during their lifetime. But have become classics, after their death.I am afraid that by following, for the opinion of the crowd, I’m talking about ratings, SyFy makes a terrible mistake.

  194. worgel
    March 6, 2011 at 7:54 pm |

    To MGM,
    The producers,writers,actors,sets,special effects houses/s, etc are still pretty much in place…for now, wouldn’t it be good for all to just complete the story. 10 additional eps and a couple of movies could do it if the stories are focused and the character moments are genuine as they have been for the most part during the first half of this season.
    It just makes sense. Think about the DVD’s…the DVD’s.

  195. Npeterson
    June 15, 2011 at 11:15 am |

    hell, if syfy isnt going to start it up, they should let amc, spike, or bbca/bbc start it up, atleast it will get somewhere like that

  196. DeadPirate
    August 18, 2011 at 3:15 pm |

    Could anyone tell me where to find information about the cost of producing another ten episodes, or perhaps another season? Perhaps there are enough fans with deep enough pockets… Even if it had to be produced and strait to DVD… I would like to see the feasability.. I have an idea, but not where to look for the cost of production, google just keeps dead ending me :) Please anyone just point me in the right direction :)

  197. DeadPirate
    August 18, 2011 at 3:43 pm |

    @jago, I was thinking that if half of the 2 million fans were able to commit to paying $20-$40 each (maybe like pre-ordering the season on dvd, or something) then we could go to the writers, they could set up the account for our ‘purchase’ -we could get them to make it?… that would be 20-40 million dollars to produce the next season for DVD… maybe having it already made could even get a network to pick it up as season 3 would already be made… What does everyone thnk is that plausible, or rediculous?…

  198. travenature
    October 25, 2011 at 9:16 pm |

    i think it’s a real disappointing that they canceled sgu like that and they should finish what they started. it’s a shame that there is no longer decent seiries no more.

  199. ghostminion
    March 15, 2012 at 3:48 pm |

    i have stop watching sy-fy sence stargate was taken off the air.. i wish it come back and see what happens how something cool.. i realy do miss the show….

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