76 Responses

  1. RoX
    RoX
    (4 comments)
    March 29, 2011 at 8:17 pm |

    Nope, fans that read the ratings thread aren’t left to wonder about the DVR viewing, it’s holding about the same so SGU is losing viewers. It’s also dropped under the Syfy weekly primetime viewer average for reruns 2 out of 3 weeks since it’s return. Not a pretty picture.

  2. Browncoat1984
    Browncoat1984
    (234 comments)
    March 29, 2011 at 8:51 pm |

    Not surprised, are average Stargate fans even aware that the show is back? If I didn’t follow Gateworld I’d still be wondering if/when SGU was coming back.

  3. Browncoat1984
    Browncoat1984
    (234 comments)
    March 29, 2011 at 8:52 pm |

    …going off of that, how many people think SyFy did what they did with Caprica after it was canceled and just pulled the episodes? I know I half-expected them to do that the way they’ve been treating the series.

  4. Sylvia
    Sylvia
    (594 comments)
    March 29, 2011 at 9:07 pm |

    These are the Live + 7 ratings from the Ratings Thread RoX was speaking of:

    Epsiode aired March 7
    SGU–
    HH: 0.9 (up from .6 Live + SD)
    A18-49: .5 (up from .35)
    Total Viewers: 1.5 million (up from 1.0 million)

  5. zach707
    zach707
    (9 comments)
    March 29, 2011 at 11:23 pm |

    great episode

  6. ELQ
    (31 comments)
    March 29, 2011 at 11:49 pm |

    I have [proudly] cut the cord (cable/sat-free since December) so I was using Hulu to watch Stargate:Universe. They used to have episodes up 24 hours after the TV premiere. Now, since 2 weeks ago, SyFy changed its online policy for SGU, and now we have to wait 30 days before we see the new episodes! What a shame.

  7. citac
    citac
    (16 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 1:26 am |

    Paying money for terrible Tv shows, i feel sorry for the Americans.
    I will not be supporting any director or producer by watching their future films or Tv series who where involved in this murder of SG-1 SGA, SGU was made for no one except the big ego’s of the (boys) in charge.
    I’m sick of these nothing but DRAMA episodes where’s the action SCI FI

  8. citac
    citac
    (16 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 1:29 am |

    its just so sad, because they had such a great Base storyline, im so dissapointed.

  9. Pecisk
    Pecisk
    (50 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 1:54 am |

    Rox, Sylvia: maybe I’m wrong, but 1.5 was the number before hiatus, so I think it is quite simple that people don’t watch it live anymore, and significant chunk of fans have dropped SyFy alltogether and watch it from iTunes and Hulu. It seems that MGM recognizes it have proposal for SGU fans with free episodes and reduced price tags in iTunes.

    Josheph Mallozzi also claimed loud and clear that decision about movies (session is not option anymore) will be made without live ratings context.

  10. gaddorm
    gaddorm
    (7 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 3:42 am |

    Who cares?! I mean seriously, what difference does it make reporting the ratings? The shows canceled, what is the point of these posts at this point?

  11. Hyncharas
    (15 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 4:18 am |

    I agree with gaddorm; reporting ratings seems more to make the bastards that cancelled the show more important. They’re not, and they never will be.

    But then again, the vast majority of shows are not there to actually benefit viewers – the advertisers and network execs appear to be more important than everyone else… it makes you wonder what’s the point of having sci-fi shows if they’re going to be axed at a moment’s notice.

  12. meo3000
    meo3000
    (19 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 5:44 am |

    I’ll say it again. Another day, another episode without the big round thing on which the show is based on. When will people acknowledge that is the problem.

    You think any of the CSI would be popular without forensic teams, or DoctorWho without the Doctor, or Californication without Moody, Castle without Castle, Dexter without Dexter, Torchwood without Harkness, Smallville without Kent, Sanctuary without Magnus, Prison Break without Scofield, Nikita without Nikita,… Get the point.

    Everything about this show is supposed the revolve around the Stargate first, then the characters. Thats why season 9 and 10 of SG1 worked out even without RDA. Thats why Atlantis worked even if we didnt know any of the characters at first except for Mckay (Weir doesnt count, she was recast and played differently).

    Its all about the gate, always been, always will be.

  13. AndrewDebbie
    AndrewDebbie
    (15 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 8:20 am |

    Not a surprise. Monday’s Being Human was one of the best of the series. Monday’s SGU wasn’t.

  14. Michael Sacal
    Michael Sacal
    (193 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 8:43 am |

    @meo3000

    So it wasn’t any different from the dozens of episodes of Stargate SG 1’s final three seasons that failed to feature the Stargate in favor of a space ship.

  15. lepidus
    lepidus
    (5 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 9:01 am |

    I wish SyFy would just drop it now and hurry up the release of the DVD/Blu-Ray.

  16. lopo30
    lopo30
    (31 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 9:15 am |

    @Michael Sacal
    in sg1 episodes where was no gate was no deep sgu like drama to … every show have there few episodes of slow pointless filler drama but not like sgu what is in every episode … even the episodes where is some action the is still over 50% of drama…

    next week episode may get more viewer raitings then this week cause there will be Mckay in it so fans of atlantis may tune in to

    if stargate will continue in the future they need new tv channel to show it or make it as web series …
    stargate needs a channel what have average 10milj. viewers to get good raitings … but how much does the raitings help .. no ordinary family had 5.3milj live viewers with it’s last episode and still got canned (or atleast lots of places say so but the channel where it is shown is not comfirm it jet)

  17. mythos
    mythos
    (346 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 10:42 am |

    Since the show is dead, about the only thing to report on the show anymore is the ratings. That and talk of the new jobs the cast and crew are getting: http://www.redeyechicago.com/entertainment/tv/redeye-stargate-universe-vets-new-sci-fi-project-20110322,0,220274.story

    Next week will be the real test for the ratings. If it jumps when they bring on McKay and Woolsey, then it’s clear that people are aware that it’s back and that they’re just not watching.

  18. Stryse
    Stryse
    (31 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 10:47 am |

    Folks, the consumer still controls the free market. The 21st century delivers us additional options for viewing ‘television.’ No actual TV is required anymore. Sure we might have to wait more, but I’m content to wait 30 days to watch it on Hulu just to ensure I’m not throwing my resources (in this case time) to a brand (SyFy) that I’m not a satisfied customer with.

  19. Stryse
    Stryse
    (31 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 10:49 am |

    I’ll disagree with @meo3000. The stargate itself is a plot device. The stories revolved around the characters. A series doesn’t last 10 years just by filming a wheel spinning around with nifty puddle effects. Its where it took us that was interesting, and the people that took us there what kept us engaged.

  20. AscendedTauri
    AscendedTauri
    (92 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 11:01 am |

    Vampire sex over mentally engaging science fiction? So…. the only way we can have sci-fi be popular is if we blow a lot of sh*t up and pad our testosterone/estrogen bravada? Good job America. I’m proud. BAH!

  21. Aylass84
    Aylass84
    (1 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 11:03 am |

    @meo3000
    I just registered just to thank you for saying what I’ve been thinking since season 1 of SGU. The show should be called Universe or Destiny, they hardly ever use the STARGATE, especially in season 2.
    I know they wanted to make more serious and dark or whatever, but for me, it’s boring, the characters are not very likable, except Eli and a couple of scientist.
    Reciently I finished rewatching SG-1 and now I’m watching SGA, and even a low episode managed to be entertaining.
    Now SGU is all about drama between the characters, ok, a little drama is good, SG always had it, but don’t make all about that. It’s not even a good drama. There are a lot of tv shows that have it, I always watched SG for the action, adventure, ehhhh, SCIFI stuff.
    Why do I still whatch SGU? I’m trying to give it a chance, but it’s not working. I’m just glad to see episodes like the next one when Rodeny appears. And I see it because I know it’s been cancelled, but I wouldn’t watch if they made another season.
    I respect all of you who like SGU, unfortunally for me it lost the things that make it a Stargate series.

  22. Xyla
    Xyla
    (20 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 11:19 am |

    Interesting that the ratings are so low while at the same time the episode is currently #3 on iTunes. http://www.apple.com/itunes/charts/tv-shows/ The show is cancelled, do we have to keep giving these meaningless Nielson ratings validation?

  23. tb1342
    tb1342
    (47 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 11:41 am |

    I already stopped watching ANYTHING on SYDIE…and as far as Being Human, the UK version is 100X better…I have come to the realization that BBC America has more and better Scfi then SYFY….I think the show started slow and “Yes” they should have spread the character building out and focused on more action, advanture and the gate..letting us catch up with the characters after a longer priod…but they didn’t..They focused on Character building and completed that in the first season better half of the second..The show is now hitting a stride and is beginiing to focus on the story, the gate and action…Yes it has played out more like a book then the; have sex, kill it, come home, put your feet on the table and smoke a cigar typical shows on TV, and I liked it…I like all the SG shows…kind of had a hard time with SGA, not sure how many Arora class ships you can find and crash in one season…but hey it had it’s own flavor

  24. GavinR
    GavinR
    (5 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 3:25 pm |

    People trying to blame the network is funny to me if you really like a show you will check when it on and watch it… it not new that the show has mid season breaks or get changed, the problem is the show leave no impact on it viewers and it easy to forget….

    I have seen every ep of SG:U and think Season 2 has been better but it was too little too late but the disappointing fact is no Atlantis DVD because this was cancel is a joke… good way to p**s the fans off.

    And i agree the show should had been called Destiny or the incredible Chole (as for someone with no skill is super at everything)

  25. kayzersoze
    kayzersoze
    (5 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 5:02 pm |

    That was a really awesome episode. Loved the use of characters on this one, and the two stories combined nicely at the end with Perry helping out TJ in the surgery.

    No gate travel or action …. pah, who cares. When you’ve got TV this good it’s great just to sit back and see where it takes you.

    I recently went through an SG-1 phase (while SGU was on hiatus), watching episodes while I train on my bike. I tell you … there were some stinkers in those first few seasons. Really pointless, boring, ham-fisted episodes that had no business being aired whatsoever. Compared to other eps which were really awesome. Compare that to SGU and … well, can’t really compare. SGU doesn’t have one episode I would’nt watch again when I eventually have SGU phases and marathons. I’ll be glad for the 2 seasons we get, and will forever scratch my head that most fans couldn’t evolve enough to see how awesome it is.

  26. Skiznot
    Skiznot
    (34 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 5:07 pm |

    I think there should be something for everyone, it’s just a shame that fans of cerebral adult thought provoking sci-fi shows like SGU get short changed by a market that is thought to be just for children and needs a toy line to succeed. Sad part is many of the adults prefer the children show style.

  27. Skiznot
    Skiznot
    (34 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 5:10 pm |

    I agree Kayzersoze, SGU is the most rewatchable as there is so much going on that is relevant to future episodes. Take an episode out of SGU is like taking a chapter out of a book whereas the other shows are full of stand alone short stories so once you know the outcome there is less there to rewatch.

  28. lopo30
    lopo30
    (31 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 5:59 pm |

    for the rewatch … how many times sg1 and sga have had marathons and reshowed rewatched … they still are good .. i have seen every sg1 and sga episodes over 4-5 times some episodes more then 10 times and still love them … on the other hand i have rewatched sgu episodes like one or two episodes cause if there is only drama in a ep it’s not interesting to watch more then one time

  29. MacSmith
    MacSmith
    (9 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 8:13 pm |

    @Skiznot
    If “many of the adults prefer the children style show”, it’s perhaps because what you call “children style” is really adult style and you’re confusing the two. Ever thought about that?

    Entertaining is not the opposite of cerebral! A show can and should be both. I won’t argue whether SGU is cerebral or not, but the ratings show us how entertaining people are finding it. Other shows being obviously more entertaining doesn’t automatically make them less cerebral.

    The actual rewatch value of a show will be proven by the success of its reruns and the DVD sales. Star Trek and the other SG shows have excelled in those two areas. Let’s see how SGU does.

  30. ELQ
    (31 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 8:22 pm |

    kayzersoze is right above [again]. SGU is the most deep show of the three and has the most rewatch value for those who get it. For those still loving episodic TV might never be, but thankfully fewer and fewer people like episodic drivel.

    If anything, I wish that SGU had gone even further with its serialized plots: we should have seen Volker feeling a bit ill but alright in the last few episodes. Same with TJ’s baby, we should have seen her throwing up a few epis prior to the episode we find out that she’s pregnant. Apart from that, I’m happy with the way the stories are interacting with eachother.

  31. lavis
    lavis
    (2 comments)
    March 30, 2011 at 11:42 pm |

    I can attest that I and probably many others have switched to viewing online or DVR. I don’t know about the demographics for this show, but out of the people I know that love the Stargate franchise many of them are pretty big geeks and spend more time then average on PC’s. It doesn’t seem at all odd to me that these people who spend more time online are simply not watching as much TV since broadband and services like Hulu. This isn’t even considering DVR watching, which is what I normally do, just so I can skip some commercials and watch in pretty HD on my HDTV.

    Syfy has gotten so ridiculous. It’s like they are turning the station into a mini-Fox! If a show isn’t getting decent enough views it gets cut! No if, ands or buts your out. Syfy if your reading this please understand that YOU are the only station for viewers like ME. You might not get as many viewers as the bigger stations and thats not a bad thing! Your a niche station! You have always catered to scifi fans. Yet within the past year or so ridiculous shows have been aired on your station. Wrestling, this new stupid cooking show, anime (Hey this is fine if you keep it Scifi), ghost hunters and so on. Please for the sake of your loyal viewers don’t turn your station into a joke. I get it your a business and for stations viewer numbers = revenue I understand fully. Yet if you want to grow and if you want to get more people on your station you aren’t going to be successful as Food Network for cooking or Simpsons on Fox. You guys really need to focus on what you do best and I can guarantee that shows like Battlestar Galactica, Stargate, Warehouse 13, Caprica and Sanctuary are quality programs worth investing in. Focus on the quality of your shows if the quality goes up (I feel the quality of Stargate Universe is awesome leaps above other TV shows and well on par with BSG)your viewers will increase and in the long run you will have a large following of scifi fans. You will be the one-stop-shop for scifi and I feel this should be your goal. Be the defining station for the genre.

  32. katikatnik
    katikatnik
    (261 comments)
    March 31, 2011 at 3:12 am |

    @Skiznot: “cerebral adult thought provoking sci-fi shows like SGU”

    LOL! If my disliking SGU makes me a shallow not-adult, I’ll happily stay a shallow not-adult for the rest of my life, thank you 8D

  33. AndrewDebbie
    AndrewDebbie
    (15 comments)
    March 31, 2011 at 4:14 am |

    @AscendedTauri — There wasn’t any sex in Monday’s Being Human. There were more than a few murders though. Add in a bit of action, good acting and a somewhat surprising plot turn and you get a decent episode.

    @tb1342 — We are just going to have to disagree on UK Being Human. I live in the UK and have seen the original through the end of Series 3. — The remake has its high spots. Herrick is good but Bishop is a better villain. Rebecca’s storyline plays better in the remake too.

    I do wonder where the remake is going for Season two since they’ve covered much of the UK’s 3 years worth of plot.

  34. Jauh0
    Jauh0
    (81 comments)
    March 31, 2011 at 5:41 am |

    @Skiznot and ELQ: Umm, you do know that being episodic makes it much more appealing to the average viewer? Someone who doesn’t perfectly follow the series and watches in occasionally. It’s a series, not a movie.

    @kayzersoze: Can you pro-pro-pro-SGU fans please evolve from your arrogance? Hasn’t SG taught you anything? Arrogance was the downfall of the Goa’uld. Having different preferences does not equal better or more evolved. And it’s not like SGUs first season was a shining beacon of tv history. Most episodes in season are the same. Life, Earth, Angst, who cares, it’s the same.

  35. janet99
    janet99
    (24 comments)
    March 31, 2011 at 7:31 am |

    Another great episode, so sad the show is being cancelled.

    I don’t see the point in discussing what effect these episodes can have on the ratings though. SGU’s ratings were permanently destroyed by the half-dozen or so utterly awful episodes which filled the first half of season 1. The blame lies 100% with those episodes, only very committed fans stuck with the show after 2 months of nothing episodes.

  36. Jauh0
    Jauh0
    (81 comments)
    March 31, 2011 at 10:52 am |

    @janet99: I agree with that, no viewer is going to return if they were bored the first time they watched.

  37. mythos
    mythos
    (346 comments)
    March 31, 2011 at 2:07 pm |

    @janet99 – If not for these discussions, we couldn’t watch people claim their superiority by being fans and exalting the greatness of SGU. :P

    Seriously, the idea that SGU is more ‘adult’ is laughable. I am an adult. I don’t sit around and whine and pine my days away. If I were on a spaceship on the other side of the universe, I still wouldn’t sit around and whine and pine my days away. There’s nothing adult about that whatsoever. Becoming an adult means learning to cope with the hand dealt and making the most of it. Most of the behavior that has been displayed on the show is childish and selfish. Nothing adult about it. Typical, perhaps, but not adult. People live through adversity every day. There are really bad things happening in the world as we speak. Some will sit around and mope, others will rise up and overcome. The newer episodes are better. Why? Because they’ve moved on from it. They just took too long to do it.

  38. crocket
    crocket
    (3 comments)
    March 31, 2011 at 9:40 pm |

    @Micheal Sacal yeah sure the showed ships heaps in the last 3 seasons but they still used the Stargate just as much not like Sgu were its never seen

  39. crocket
    crocket
    (3 comments)
    March 31, 2011 at 9:47 pm |

    also @kayzersoze that may be for you but i grew up on Sg1 and then Atlantis as did most people who watch the show which is why you scratch your head over the fact other SG fans dont like it, Simply put Sgu is not like the original and for that main reason it failed i know i wanted to see alien races and a team going through the gate with some funny jokes on the side but they changed the direction yeh sure you might like it but what about us hardcore fans that have watched it from the beginning its was a sad, sad day for me when the released Sgu. Just my 2 cents hopefully you understand why sooo many people are pissed off with Sgu

  40. Jauh0
    Jauh0
    (81 comments)
    April 1, 2011 at 2:52 am |

    SGU fans seem to often claim to be superior compared to everyone else. No SG-1/SGA ever says that just because they like those shows they are better and more intelligent than everyone else.

  41. Chevron Atlantis
    Chevron Atlantis
    (36 comments)
    April 1, 2011 at 3:30 am |

    For those who think the ratings are not done correctly please see this link from Craig Engler

    http://blastr.com/2011/01/the-truth-about-tv-ratings-online-viewing-and-sci-fi-shows.php

  42. shermacidal
    shermacidal
    (45 comments)
    April 1, 2011 at 4:47 am |

    @ascendedtauri
    well played sir. sci-fi should change their slogan to IMAGINE LESSER. with all the ghost reality shows and wrestling i dont even recognize it anymore. a cooking show on syfy are you kidding me? i better not see anybody defending that show either. Im sick of people bashing sgu on this site, then turning around and promoting other peice of **** shows. SGU is a top notch syfy show, if your not a fan then stay off of STARGATE sites and go on ghosthunters.com or whatever it is you do. SGU blows BSG out of the water and its only been on two seasons.

  43. StargateDominator
    StargateDominator
    (29 comments)
    April 1, 2011 at 8:26 am |

    Remember the erectile dysfunction scene from SGU hope episode? lol,i’m the only one who uploaded it to youtube so far xD, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcrx9ubHYlc

  44. Gatefan1976
    Gatefan1976
    (21 comments)
    April 1, 2011 at 9:12 am |

    Oh cool, penis jokes, how evolved………
    Now all they need is a few fart jokes and they will be on a winner.

  45. greenlightSGA
    greenlightSGA
    (2 comments)
    April 1, 2011 at 4:45 pm |

    NEXT EPISODE IS WITH DAVID HEWLETT AND PICARDO!!!
    IM SO WATCHING THAT ONE!
    LOVE RODNEY MACKAY<3

  46. Jim
    Jim
    (458 comments)
    April 2, 2011 at 4:57 am |

    @mythos First of all how on earth can you know what would you behave like on a spaceship on the other side of the universe,knowing that you’d probably never be able to come home?
    Secondly,I don’t know how old you are,but if by now you still haven’t noticed and learned that people in real life are mostly quite childish and selfish and not noble,hero type,then I don’t know what planet you’ve been living on.
    So I think SGU IS more realistic presentation of such situation than the previous two.Especially since the previous two didn’t even go there.And in this case,just so there would be no confusion,I use the term realistic in a written,spoken,video artistic sence.I do not mean real,I mean realistic presentation.
    Entertaining value,on the other hand is another matter.But that goes back to escapism of the entertainment industry,mainly Hollywood.There is a pretty obvious consenzus that things in most movies that are popular are not even close to reality.
    I’m saying this,not to prove which is better,but rather to disprove points that some people have made how SGU isn’t grown up and deep.Now whether you like that,or you prefere some other approach,that’s up to you.Discussion about personal preferences and tastes is completely pointless,because there is no right or wrong there,but that doesn’t mean that you should deny the objective facts.

    Also..on the other hand I wouldn’t say and I completely disagree with people who’d said that unlike SGU,SG1 isn’t rewatchable,or as rewatchable.Especially because they stated it as an undisputable,objective fact,when actually that it isn’t,nor can it be(the fact).SG1 may be unrewatchable to you,but that doesn’t mean it is an objective truth and a fact.I for example find SG1 very rewatchable and find it very,not only entertaining,but also very interesting regarding the long arc,even in a repeated viewings.In fact,I as well as many of my friends find SG1 MORE rewatcable than SGU.And I’ll tell you why;SGU may be interesting in it’s own,mostly serious way as a story of people who’d found themselves in such a peril and a very alien situation wherein they have to deal with the survival mode drama,spiced up with an occasional shocking revelation plus an interesting premise.But what makes SG1 even more rewatchable,for me,is the fact that,besides also very interesting long arc I’d already mentioned,I find the characters and their moments,their interaction..more likable.
    Sometimes I think that people who label SG1 as shallow,or campy,do not understand the very prominent and INTENTIONAL self-parody as well as significant volume of sarcasm.Which doesn’t mean that there weren’t a lot of dramatic,even tragic,mostly character driven moment in SG1 as well.

    All of this brings me to comments about the arrogance of SGU fans.And this goes to you @Katikatnic.Don’t you realize that many of your comments regarding SGU fans have been just as arrogant?
    Which brings me back to childish behaviour in real life @mythos….myself included.

    What I really do not understand is a compulsive need of a few..and yes,it’s literally a few people by now,the smarter ones are long gone.So a need of those few people who don’t like SGU and haven’t liked SGU pretty much since it’s started,if not since even before that(SGA angst),to regularly come on here and literally permanently troll.I’m really interested,why dont you just stop watching the show and stop trolling,repeating the same thing over and over.
    The so called arrogance comes usually as a response to your trolling.Otherwise the most of us here who are the fans and like the show(some more than others..I have serious issues with SGU,but still like it on a whole) simply get along and like to discuss the SGU eps,since it’s the only stargate franchise currently airing…just like Darren and David do in a podcast.
    To those few;get over yourselves!

  47. Jauh0
    Jauh0
    (81 comments)
    April 2, 2011 at 1:07 pm |

    @Jim: Nice comment, but please use spaces after a , or . It would make it so much more something.

  48. FrakU
    FrakU
    (1 comments)
    April 2, 2011 at 5:21 pm |

    I just dont understand why so many people hate SGU. Unlike the previous incarnations, SGU is much more realistic given the situation. Someone here said it’s about the “gate” first then the characters. WRONG! It’s always about the characters plain and simple. Perhaps the people who hate SGU just haven’t grown up yet. Still clinging to the old way of doing things. They’re like kids who want to watch the same movie over and over again desperately trying to get that feeling agian. Clearly I have to pay the price for people with child like minds only looking for stuff to blow-up. “Action and more action”! That’s all I here. A great show is now dead because the vast majority of low brow viewers are unable to progress with the franchises finest works.

  49. medegno51
    medegno51
    (107 comments)
    April 3, 2011 at 12:41 am |

    @ FrakU, et al (others who voice opinions akin to this)–

    You said: “Perhaps the people who hate SGU just haven’t grown up yet. Still clinging to the old way of doing things. They’re like kids who want to watch the same movie over and over again desperately trying to get that feeling again. Clearly I have to pay the price for people with child like minds only looking for stuff to blow-up…”

    (More ‘adult’ –like childish batter mercifully snipped from this point.)

    Clearly, ‘adult’ viewers like yourself- and other posters like you on this forum- have put us “low brow” SG fans (that happen to like SG1 and SGA, as well) into our collective places with such comments above.

    In my experience—that of a late-forties man, twice married w/two adult kids, fifteen years military, and current tech supervisor in civilian life—I’ve often found out that the more some person proclaims their supposed ‘adulthood’, the more that person is prone to cover up the lack of same…

    But besides that: In my enjoyment of entertainment—to which all incarnations and things “Stargate” fall into this category—I do not have to require bucket loads of angst, ulterior motives, and grey shades of characters in my shows/movies of choice in order to properly enjoy them.

    This is a conceit that I find immensely annoying a few of my own friends, as well as some of my fellow sci-fi fans over the many years. One can enjoy “Doctor Who” and “Sanctuary”, and still find shows like BSG and SGU equally as satisfying—and the reverse of that is true, as well.

    So stop with this Pavlovian need to dis fellow Gate fans for their grievous sins of not kneeling to the alter that was “Stargate: Universe”. While you and I may have liked it (although my many problems with the show have already been documented), I do not find this need to label those fans who did not like SGU as “low brow”. To coin a particular colloquialism:

    Get Over Thyself.

  50. medegno51
    medegno51
    (107 comments)
    April 3, 2011 at 4:06 am |

    EDIT: I meant to say, “I find immensely annoying COMING FROM a few of my own friends”…

  51. katikatnik
    katikatnik
    (261 comments)
    April 3, 2011 at 7:21 am |

    Hm, can anyone explain to me why are people who sulk and backstab each other more mature and/or adult than those who man up and work together as a team? I kinda don’t get it… To each its own, but I just don’t understand how is this show more “mature” than its predecessors. It’s a different genre, but that’s it, IMHO.

  52. Jauh0
    Jauh0
    (81 comments)
    April 3, 2011 at 9:22 am |

    @katikatnik: Good point. Max 2 hours until some 14 year old tries to convince you that it’s more mature.

  53. Jauh0
    Jauh0
    (81 comments)
    April 3, 2011 at 10:11 am |

    @FrakU: Thanx for posting a good example of my point. I was going to post a fake comment to show what I mean, but now I don’t have to. Thanx a lot.

  54. medegno51
    medegno51
    (107 comments)
    April 3, 2011 at 11:38 am |

    @katikatnik:

    Your comments are point-on.

    To a larger extent in real life, individuals who come together and work as a group or team—be it in a legislative body, a field research team, or the armed services—have had a better success rate in solving The Problems At Hand, than the so-called ‘loner wolf’ archetype popular within some entertainment media and with certain fiction creators/novelists.

    With a few rare exceptions throughout our human history, most of our important issues are usually solved combining our collective minds on the issue(s) and completing the task(s) as a team/group/body.

    This is why later episodes of SGU have been a lot better for me to watch, as opposed to those at the beginning: I find Rush’s and Young’s ability to work together in solving problems more refreshing and satisfying, than this Soulful Writer’s tick of creating tormented characters to examine the human condition—particularly in situations that a lot of us with such experience in real life would find implausible. Not totally *impossible*, but usually not plausible, given the duties, responsibilities, and the so-called experiences of the people being presented to us by those same Soulful Writers of SGU.

    What is the reason for this? Well, there happens to be a strain of conceit among those in our human family—a conceit that drives some to applaud all things non-conventional, non-conformist… non-group. This can apply to those Soulful Writers, as well as some of the fans who are the objects (targets?) of those same writers/creators. But even *then*, if the writers can do it WELL, a episode- or an entire series- can be very successful (the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica is such an example).

    But if not… well, we have the first season of SGU as People’s Exhibit #1, don’t we?

  55. cesare
    cesare
    (6 comments)
    April 3, 2011 at 6:36 pm |

    Thank you, medegno.

    Any time people try to claim that if you don’t like SGU, it makes you “immature” or somehow unappreciative of good drama or “gritty” fiction or “realism”, I have to laugh.

    Sure, I ate up five years of The Wire, but SGU, oh, that’s too dark and sophisticated and realistic for the likes of me.

    The strengths of the Stargate franchise have generally been good cast chemistry, a strong central concept, a light touch, and a peppy sense of pacing. Good writing… not so much. When the stories were lighthearted shoot-em-ups, the inconsistent writing was less noticeable. Uneven writing in a slow, po-faced show is a lot harder to take.

  56. daug21
    daug21
    (7 comments)
    April 3, 2011 at 8:15 pm |

    The thing that bothers me is the whole “people in real life act this way.” The Stargate program has always been for the best and brightest in the military and fields of science. Not just anyone could be in the program. This is what I find so ridiculous about SGU. It basically everyone who wouldn’t have found out about the program or had been kicked out of it due to ineffectiveness. The Stargate program had been for soldiers and scientists above the normal person.

  57. kayzersoze
    kayzersoze
    (5 comments)
    April 3, 2011 at 8:20 pm |

    @crocket – if watching all Stargate shows from their beginning makes you a hardcore fan, then I too am a hardcore fan. Heck, I was a hardcore fan from the movie, and pretty much watched every episode of both shows immediately after it aired (OK, 45mins after it was available for download – blame my country’s lame TV programming).

    It’s simply a curious scratch of the head – how can a set of people in agreement over the awesomeness of 2 related (albeit identical) TV shows, polarise so much over the 3rd one?

    “Because it’s crap, it’s not like the first 2, it’s full of drama and long dialogue-free sections with songs and hardly any gate travel or aliens or space/gun battles etc” seems to be a common answer-set from those that hate/dislike it.

    Those that really like the new show probably don’t have an answer – we are more-than-satisfied with what we’re seeing. I guess some people welcome change, whereas others do not (this was why I threw in the ‘evolved’ comment – wasn’t meant to seem arrogant @Jauh0).

  58. Jauh0
    Jauh0
    (81 comments)
    April 4, 2011 at 5:11 am |

    @daug21: True, only Eli can be given any excuses.

  59. Jim
    Jim
    (458 comments)
    April 4, 2011 at 6:38 am |

    Regarding maturity thing,I obviously cannot agree with what @Fraku said..especially about other viewers.My comment was more on a line watch and let others watch and enjoy what they like.I don’t see the point of a couple of individuals coming here for the past two years repeating the same thing..SGU is awful.Wrong place.I’m sure there are domains out there on the web where you can find people who share your views.It’s as if I went on the Star Trek fan pages and start bashing Star Trek.

    @Katikatnik As usual,you’ve got things wrong,or intentionally turned it upside down.Nobody ever said that behaviour on Destiny was mature..but realistic..yeah.We live in an imperfect world where as you can see all around you,or on the news,people don’t always get along,nor behave appropriately..or “maturely”.

    @medegno51 I basically agree with you.I,as well as you,like cooperation and all that’s been happening on Destiny as of late,better.But I think that was the whole point of this series.To show that people need to GET there.It doesn’t just magically happen.You are a military man..so am I.So you know how much emphasis and hard work goes into every training in order to achieve that team spirit and ultimately the ability for optimal teamwork.And bare in mind that at the beginning of SGU,there was a completely extraordinery situation going on,that literally resulted in fast paste evacuation,bordering panic.As a result of that many,in fact the majority of ppl,that ended up on Destiny simply weren’t..neither prepared,trained,nor supposed to be there.Hell,people in Stargate program are the best and brightest.But in their own,particular fields(scientists,analysts,technicians).Not all of them were meant for,or cleared for field duty..prepared and trained to go to new,unknown,potentially hostile and dangerous situations..sg expeditionary forces,so to call them.And yet ALL of them found themselevs in the craziest situation,oftenly extremely dangerous and tough.In this case,not just for the body,but even more so,for the mind.
    Them overcoming the shock and panic,then all the unhospitability of the new situation and new,thus far unseen problems,overcoming their human,vulnerable side and start working together as a team..even accepting the mission was the whole point,I think.
    In sg1 Daniel Jackson was a representative of such people going on off world missions and it took him quite a while and dying a few times,lol,to adjust.Others in the field were all SF’s,Marines and such.Now you have the majority of such people having to adjust to the big “crazy”.It’s not that they’re acting immaturely and I never said that,but realisticaly they do need to come to terms with the completely new situation none of them was even remotely prepared for.Unlike a few,mostly lower ranking Airmen and few Marines. Lt.Matt has just come out of the academy remember and except for a short sg training has no experience at all,for example.Young is the only one,but he’s been dealing with his own demons and don’t tell me you’ve never experienced,or at least heard about such guys in the military.

    Basically,nobody here is imposing anything to those who don’t like SGU and making them like it.But your objectiones have been repetedly noted over these two years.Why don’t you let us,who like it,to like it.And you,if you don’t..why the heck are you still watching.Just to be able to come here and criticize it.To be able to say one more time..see they did it wrong.I mean don’t you have anything better to do..or watch some other show,that YOU like!?

  60. mythos
    mythos
    (346 comments)
    April 4, 2011 at 10:50 am |

    @katikatnik, medegno51 – Careful, you’re bringing logic and reason to the table. Such things are met with disfavor around here. ;)

    @Jim – If your opinions are so fragile that they can’t stand up against those of others, perhaps that’s your own issue to contend with rather than everyone else’s. Some come here to debate the particulars of the show, both positive and negative. You don’t have to participate. Just as no one is forced to watch SGU if they don’t want to, no one is forced to debate the show on here if they don’t want to.

    Some of us have been critical of all of the Stargate shows. Some of us are particular about the particulars. There are only really a few shows that I try to watch regularly. Stargate, Justified, Burn Notice, The Soup and now that the Science channel has decided to put it back on the air, Firefly. Not much in common between them, really. I could discuss any of them critically. Though I’m not sure I’d take the time with The Soup..because taking the time to discuss it critically would be really hard to justify. But you could say you hate them all and I wouldn’t flinch. Because I know what I think of each show and don’t need the approval of others for my opinions as some seem to.

  61. Jauh0
    Jauh0
    (81 comments)
    April 4, 2011 at 11:44 am |

    @Jim: Because where ever I go on these comment pages someone is dissing the other SG shows because his was cancelled. You especially seem to spend hours at these comments. I myself should be a “immature” person, since I’m so young, in american terms I’m in high school, but somehow I’m apparently way smarter and grown up than most of the crew. Having quite recently moved from one level of the educational system to the next, I can say that the way the characters act on Destiny is much closer to elementary school than high school. They should be the best and brightest, not just some dudes they crab of the street. In fact, the one dude they did snatch of the street is the smartest and most functional person on that boat of love. And if they don’t want to leave their home then why are they on a potentially very unstable planet light-years from home attempting a potentially very dangerous experiment with the planets core if they can’t handle the consequences? If they are not qualified for field duty, why are they there? On the field? On another planet? On a base that could be attacked at any time? Doesn’t SGC have any psychological tests? You can’t just take a Greer and expect it to work like a O’Neill.

    I can say the same about much of these comments, unfortunately, I don’t agree with either the fanatical pro-A nor the just-as-fanatical-but-more-arrogant pro-U side, but I can say is that if you want a useful conversation about why SGU is , then the internet is the wrong place for that. The net is also the wrong place if you are looking for maturity. Like Destiny.

    Seriously, SGU characters don’t represent real people. For a little exercise, make a short description of each character in your mind and listen how real they sound. Anyone who finishes gets 1 cubic meter of air.

  62. Jim
    Jim
    (458 comments)
    April 5, 2011 at 2:16 am |

    @mythos Opinions fragile against other opinions…hmm,they are just opinions,man.Like you,expressing your opinion right now.Does that mean your opinion is as fragile cause you can’t help but come out with it against mine.Then again you have always been against,whatever was in question.If anything screams fragile,it is you.Facts are another matter.And talking about facts,go and read most of the comments on this site,not just yours and few others.Then talk about standing up to anything.Besides,you have contradicted yourself so many times that the meaning of being critical loses any significance in your case.Especially because you tend to change the basic level..the foundation of your opinions on a regular basis,oftenly within the same post.But that doesn’t really matter,because you’re right about everything,especially when you are particular about the particulars.And when you say some of us have been critical about ALL of the stargate shows,that may be true,but I don’t think you are among those “some”.But since I’m wrong about that too,can you please inlighten me and remind us;what critical things have you said about any other sg show,other than SGU.Can you do that?And please,try not to contradict yourself once again.

  63. Jim
    Jim
    (458 comments)
    April 5, 2011 at 2:20 am |

    To ask you to tell something positive about anything,would of course be too much,so I’m not gonna even try and do that.

  64. medegno51
    medegno51
    (107 comments)
    April 5, 2011 at 12:37 pm |

    @Jim:

    “Basically,nobody here is imposing anything to those who don’t like SGU and making them like it.But your objectiones have been repetedly noted over these two years.Why don’t you let us,who like it,to like it.And you,if you don’t..why the heck are you still watching.Just to be able to come here and criticize it.To be able to say one more time..see they did it wrong.I mean don’t you have anything better to do..or watch some other show,that YOU like!?”

    To whom are you referring to, with this “but your objectiones have been repetedly noted over these two years” (sic) statement? I never said crap like “SGU sux” or came to this site just to spew all over the show. In case you haven’t been reading my comments as careful as you should’ve, I happen to LIKE THE SHOW. I also want the show to be *better*– which is the well where all my nits and critiques come from, my slightly-too-sensitive friend.

  65. mythos
    mythos
    (346 comments)
    April 5, 2011 at 12:39 pm |

    @Jim – I never discounted your right to have an opinion as you did. And no, my opinions are not fragile. You say I change them frequently but I challenge you to prove that. I tend to be very specific in what I say, so I’m guessing you’re reading my opinions on different aspects of given situations as being in conflict when I’m actually talking about different things. Just like you obviously read what I said above as meaning that I was saying your opinions are fragile, but I didn’t. I commented on something you should consider if they are. And of course it’s a loaded comment but is it my fault that it was a loaded comment or yours for playing into it? ;)

    That said, I will continue to talk about Stargate, good or bad. And I will continue to be critical of it. I’m not a ‘hater’ as people seem to like to call those who don’t like SGU. I did pretty much hate the show the first season, partially because it was just incredibly slow and boring but also because the producers sank SGA for what, at the time, seemed to be an incredibly slow and boring show (jury is still out and I don’t know if there’s time left to truly redeem itself – not that it really matters at this point). The more recent episodes have been drastically better, though they still haven’t quite come together. I saw a lot of problems in Seizure, but that’s another matter for another time.

  66. Jim
    Jim
    (458 comments)
    April 6, 2011 at 5:21 am |

    @medegno51 I wasn’t referring to you,infact I said I agreed with you.It was a general statement,sorry if you felt it was adressed to you,because that wasn’t my intention.

  67. Jim
    Jim
    (458 comments)
    April 6, 2011 at 5:38 am |

    @mythos I said you were contradicting yourself,the statement about your opinion was written in a conditional.
    If you wanna be concrete;you often emphasise how you value logic,but then say something completely ilogical,just for the sake of being contra.When I was criticizing SGU,you were defending it and vice versa.You have a tendency to ignore facts that don’t go in favour of your theory,but most of all..everybody here,whether they like SGU,or not..and that goes for every other sg series,approach the subject genuinely passionately,while you always hide behind cynicism.That’s what I meant.But nevermind,cause you’re always right,except when you’re not..no catch,honest!

  68. Jim
    Jim
    (458 comments)
    April 6, 2011 at 6:42 am |

    @JauhO Well since you,on your own have described yourself as smarter than characters on a tv show,that I think says enouhg,on more than just one level.
    Secondly,the meaning of being fit for field duty obviously escapes you.In the context of stargate,being on another planet as a brilliant scientist,together with a group of civilians(politicians,their families..etc),who most probably weren’t brilliant at anything,is one thing.Being a traind soldier,who actually goes through the stargate to face whatever it is on the other side is something else.
    And thirdly,if you wanna draw such immprobable parallels;acting “maturely” in High-School,which is an oximoron in itself and on the other side of the universe with your life in peril everyday..ahm quite diferent circumstances.Hell,you don’t have to go in SF space,just imagine war situation here on Earth.Are you so sure your classmates would be behaving absolutely maturely,if god forbid your country found itself in war tomorrow?When a History grade and pimple problems would be exchanged for survival mode.

  69. mythos
    mythos
    (346 comments)
    April 6, 2011 at 10:36 am |

    @Jim – On another post, you told myself and another user that we were wrong and to leave the site. No conditionals were applied in that one. I can’t find it now. Both your post and my reply may well have been deleted. It was the thread where in my reply I said that I didn’t realize how sensitive you were before, but now I know. But you may not have even seen it if they were deleted. I at least tried to find the instance to reply with. But I see no indication that you’ve tried to find a situation where I’ve contradicted myself, ignored facts, etc, that you’ve proclaimed here. Just words saying I did those things. Maybe I invented the question mark too? If I’m going to be claimed to have done things, at least make them interesting. :P

  70. Gaeth
    Gaeth
    (103 comments)
    April 6, 2011 at 2:07 pm |

    @citac: The only good thing about this is that I won’t have to hear anymore anti-fan *lies* about SGU & that SGA with all its recycled cliche trash will be dead forever. If crybaby fanboys (& anti-fans)were really that important to ratings or to a show’s success, then SGA would still be on the air. SGU was the best of all the different versions of Stargate.

  71. Jauh0
    Jauh0
    (81 comments)
    April 7, 2011 at 4:24 am |

    @Jim: Did I mention that it’s not an american school, and that you are not my classmate?

  72. Jim
    Jim
    (458 comments)
    April 7, 2011 at 9:23 pm |

    @mythos I don’t need to do it,you just go back and read your own posts.Anaway,again you make me smile..here’s one example;you accuse me of something and then you can not produce that very same thing you ask as a proof,LOL!
    My answer;I tried,but,hey I guess it’s gotten deleted!HA!
    And I never told you to leave the site,again,now you’re even inverting the meaning.I said..if you don’t like the show,what are you doing watching it and constantly coming over here to bast in your own excellent,eloquent bashing of it?I was just wondering,because I could never understood people like you.I come here because I like the show..when I have a problem with a show and not just few eps,but A SHOW,or anything else for that matter,I walk away.Thought that was only a normal thing 2 do.Don’t like it,push a fricking button on that thing that looks kinda like a phone and find something you do like..or don’t,just so that you don’t get SENSITIVE again and interprete this as me telling you to leave the site.

    @JauhO What does it matter whether it is an American school,or not.You said that it is an equivalent of an American high-school.So if in your country an equivalent for American high-school isn’t a post-doctorate study,what does it matter.And what do you mean by I’m not your classmate,wtf does that mean.I’m glad I’m not,in fact,I haven’t been anybody’s classmate since 96′.

    @Gaeth Word,man!!Exfrackingsactly!

  73. mythos
    mythos
    (346 comments)
    April 8, 2011 at 8:14 am |

    @Jim – Again, a lot of words…little said. All because SGU failed while SG1 and SGA succeeded.

  74. Jim
    Jim
    (458 comments)
    April 8, 2011 at 11:34 am |

    Oh and @mythos please do continue to bring fun into these stressful days.When I read SGU failed while SG1 and SGA succeeded,all that was necessary is to go nah nah nha nha na,like kindergarden children go.Anyway,my entire office craked up smiling,so please,entertain us some more,LOL!!

  75. Slayme
    Slayme
    (64 comments)
    April 9, 2011 at 1:13 am |

    @ Jim

    People talk about the success of SG-1 and I’m wondering if one specific demographic was more pivotal than others, and I’m not talking about science fiction fans. I’m talking about women in their 20’s to 30’s?, 40’s? in 1985 when MacGyver hit TVs. I make this observation based on something my older sister told me when I gave her my original DVD box sets of SG-1 (remember the big boxes with 5 discs, each in it’s own plastic case?). She said that she only watched SG-1 because “MacGyver”, aka Richard Dean Anderson was in it. She didn’t want seasons 9 or 10 even though I was giving them to her for free, because RDA was only a guest star now and then. When I asked her about SGA she said she wasn’t interested in it.

    My sister was about 23 when MacGyver came on and 35 when SG-1 started. I wonder how many women in that age demographic watched (and stopped watching) Stargate for the same reasons as my sister.

    Just curious about that is all.

  76. Jim
    Jim
    (458 comments)
    April 11, 2011 at 12:08 pm |

    @Slayme Ha,ha you may be on the right track there,at least partially.
    I had no problem with Mitchell,he was different and yet the same..his own brand of crazy with a note of his own specific sence of humor.Also haunted by the past,as all three kings of stargate are,but less of a lone wolf type than O’Neill,or Sheppard..more approachable.You know,building the team spirit in his own way;basketball games,playing cards,movie nights,hanging together unrelated with work,having fun.And yet the classic stargate hero,when the chips are down.Besides I liked him as John Chriton in Farscape,as well as Claudia Black.They,as actors were purchased as a package deal back then,lol!They literally went from one sci-fi projects,where they were leads to another one with leading roles as well.

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