68 Responses

  1. darkthunder
    March 8, 2011 at 10:23 pm |

    That’s it then. No chance for revival or a season 3 and beyond.

    Sci-Fi should’ve kept Stargate as a “summer show” as it used to be, or atleast leave it on Fridays. Less competition during the summer, and on Fridays. But nooo… let’s put SGU on the busiest night(s) of the week.

    Shame really, since I thought this weeks episode was rather good. Thou I’m fairly certain the continued drop in viewers, may have something to do with the show ALREADY being cancelled.

  2. Lee_Machine
    March 8, 2011 at 10:58 pm |

    I still don’t see how 1 million people is low ratings. With each episode costing about 2-3 million to make that’s only around $2 per-person watching. Then there is the DVD sales, and the world wide distribution sales.

    Stargate needs to go 100% on-line distribution…all SciFi show’s for that matter since they don’t bring in the millions of mindless masses.

  3. Lee_Machine
    March 8, 2011 at 11:00 pm |

    Also who the hell wants to live your life around what time a show is on? Either Tivo, or download is the only way to go. I “cut the cord” over 4 years ago.

  4. shermacidal
    March 8, 2011 at 11:16 pm |

    Yea its a shame the viewers werent there i thought it was a really good episode. i dont understand why sgu has to spend 2 to 3 million an episode. The special effects are really sick (better then most big budget movies) but they dont have any stand out stars on the show. Cut the overhead down to 1 to 1.5 mil an episode and 1 million viewers wont be that bad. The show would turn a profit when u throw in dvd sales and online purchases. Its like living above your means, if your a 1 to 1.5 million viewer show then budget your money accordingly.

  5. puddlejumper_1
    March 8, 2011 at 11:22 pm |

    drawing in 1mil views a night isn’t bad. also sgu came on twice on monday, i will be honest in that i did watch monday night raw, but recorded sgu the first time it went on. i later watched the second showing on 11/10c. 1mil viewers is fine for a sci fi show since obviously not many people watch it. so syfy should just face the facts and not expect 5mil all the time. seriously 2mil other people probably couldnt see it or much rather have watched something else, but recorded it so they could have watched it later. this is just ridiculous, if they dont have many viewers to put it on the air then fine! how about making it a webshow where 1mil is amazing, and where most people watch it anyways. It will also be cheaper

  6. asindro
    March 8, 2011 at 11:32 pm |

    You people seem to keep forgetting that Syfy does not profit from DVD sales and nor would they necessarily from pay per viewing and download services. Distribution and DVD sales benefit MGM.

    I still can’t believe that only 1 million tuned in last night after all the buzz. It’s super frustrating to know that in this age of uber connectivity and bi-direction device(DVR, SATdish) data exchange, that the individual live viewing count is still a calculated total estimate. How on earth do fans save a show when we are not truly part of the count. Very disappointing numbers, considering the intersection of all the main and sub plots in the SGU story in last nights episode was too great to miss. Looking forward to 9 more episodes, and still hoping for more to come.

  7. GoodThings2Life
    March 8, 2011 at 11:33 pm |

    By the might of Thor! Clearly the folks at Syfy are just doing everything they can to kill Stargate. Pretty sad after such a long, profitable run for the franchise!

    I do blame Syfy mostly for moving it to very active nights of television… I know I’ll opt to watch new episodes of Castle before SGU, and I actually ENJOY SGU. Not to mention the competition of Monday Night RAW (which is very active because of Wrestlemania right now).

    That said, it’s taken 1.5 seasons to get the plot going, which is precisely why “V” is failing on ABC as well. People loved BSG for the drama but it had a clear plot and destination to reach, and we could have loved V and SGU if the plot came more rapidly. Clearly the PTB need to work on this for future endeavors.

  8. puddlejumper_1
    March 8, 2011 at 11:39 pm |

    yeah it is dissapointing i was at least expecting 2mil. of all the save sgu groups and campaigns made you think some type of impact would have been done. though 1 mil isn’t that bad, its dissapointing. stargate holds its name up with star trek, and star wars(imo) for god sake

  9. Victor9098
    March 9, 2011 at 12:08 am |

    +1 on everything! I am guessing that is why Sky One is holding showing is the back 10 until at least May, probably along with Fringe and Lie To Me, after Bones/House wrap up their seasons. If I could pay for it online I would (but live in Ireland so no services). Will just wait and DVR when they do start, and I DVR because Mon-Fri I usually do not have time to sit and watch. It was a good idea, SG’s Voy, but they should have kept it at a sprint before ‘settling’ in, not the other way around.

  10. Greenfire32
    March 9, 2011 at 12:14 am |

    Well let’s see here:

    1. news of cancellation
    2. ridiculously long hiatus
    3. only 10 episodes anyway
    4. yet ANOTHER poorly advertised time-move

    Are we seriously surprised the ratings didn’t uptick. I mean, it’s not like anyone but hardcore fans had any real reason to come back to SGU.

    “Before we show the last 10 episodes after our 4 month long hiatus, we’d like to announce that we’re canceling the show (*whispered* and we’re moving SGU to monday nights at 10. That’s almost a polar opposite from it’s home on friday nights).”

    Yeah. Sounds like something I’d want to come back to if I were a casual viewer.

  11. gatefan2486
    March 9, 2011 at 12:47 am |

    SyFy has been making fraking mistakes when they moved it to Tuesday Night as well as Monday Night. They should have kept iy on Friday Night as well as in the summer too. Just like who SyFy no longer show new episides of Doctor Who or Sarah Jane Smith. They sound show clips or preview of the next episode on other networks as well.

  12. Kosh
    March 9, 2011 at 1:52 am |

    ha… I just had a mental note that it was airing this week, didn’t realize or notice that the night changed again so I’ll have to watch it later.

    SyFy’s scheduling and extreme hiatuses are definitely half of the 1-2 knock out punch (the other half being the horribly slow, soap-opera beginnings ie most of season 1).

    Oh well. Hopefully we’ll see a return to Stargate in ~5 years. Maybe sooner, depending on if/when/how online viewing gets mainstreamed and becomes attractive to air shows that way.

  13. Jim
    March 9, 2011 at 3:16 am |

    I’m very surprised that they got the numbers for Deliverance that they did,considering eevrything that’s been said here and before in other post threads!SyFy’s insane programme scheduling carries more than just half of the responsibility for everything that’s happened,I think.They wanted to compete with big players,network tv shows,without any real vision and/or a plan.They just desperately wanetd to build up numbers,which naturally ended up in a complete failure.And the thing that amazes me the most is that they do not learn from their mistakes,they just keep on stubornly going the same way,not only with SGU..that’s dead and barried,but with the rest of their shows that haven’t been canceled YET!!
    In fact,I cannot believe it is possible that they are that incompetent.
    So,I had already said that I wouldn’t be surprised at all if NBC decided to send their cleaner..”Mr.Wolf” with a soul purpose to draw,suck the capital out ASAP and then hit the kill-switch on this NBC division,that hasn’t been profitable enough.That is cruel and sad,but it is also the nature of business.And whenever business gets confronted with creativity,art,human values,nature,culture,you can be sure that in the end numbers will win,which some of those times really does make me sick.
    Sure,this SGU situation is not one of those sickening moments,because it simply isn’t serious at all,not to mention enough,but it is indicative as a showcase.

  14. The destiny
    The destiny
    March 9, 2011 at 5:40 am |

    I can’t say I’m suprised the numbers didn’t go up. I didn’t expect the audience to grow dramatically anyway, but cancellation is a pretty big buzzkill for many people to continue watching a show, knowing it’s going to end soon.

  15. Jim
    March 9, 2011 at 5:45 am |

    What I meant to say was that I’m surprised they got even this much viewers,I expected even less.

  16. tomalak
    March 9, 2011 at 6:13 am |


    “You people seem to keep forgetting that Syfy does not profit from DVD sales and nor would they necessarily from pay per viewing and download services. […] I still can’t believe that only 1 million tuned in last night after all the buzz. ”

    You seem to be forgetting that ratings do not include everybody. I can’t believe the networks are still hanging onto ratings SO stringently when they represent just 0.02% of the US population. How in hell can you gauge interest on that?

  17. Piernik
    March 9, 2011 at 6:29 am |

    1.000.000 viewers for a cancelled show is not that bad. Hopining for at least one movie.

  18. an72
    March 9, 2011 at 7:00 am |

    Hi Everybody,

    Well I actually do not think that Syfy or MGM want to lose Stargate in principle…
    There are not many shows to replace it – first and second – there are not many proven shows.
    Syfy in principle will continue to exist under this or another name ,because this is a huge chunk of the modern TV and in this line so sure they will need shows to put out there,so…just relax for now….I think what all are looking in this moment ( MGM and Syfy ) is a way out of this situation and how to improve the shows in principle. To evaluate new strategy they need first to “clear up” and put “hold on”…this may sound as “death” but I really do not think so….too much is invested already and the evaluations what go wrong are in process. I think as soon as they are ready with it – we will be the fist ones to know.

    On my opinion it should happened by mid. Aprile and the numbers of viewer have nothing to do with it. They know what is the max. possible and they see where the “bottom line “can be….so is all about finding the right formula between ( 1) all the shows and ( 2) for each of them…..and this need time

    A lot has been spoken online in all fans webs and I can say that in a way all the anger and words help this companies to realize that there is a potential , but how I can say – before they are ready and completely sure in what they are going to do and most important HOW – nothing will change. At this point what I think they clear understand is that disconnecting with the public ( in producing, in timing, is development in principle ) is something what can turn deathly for even successful top franchise as Stargate .

    So relax…only thing what is needed now is great flexibility from producers and diplomacy from the owners in order to get out of all this and to give a financial prospective as well……hope they can achieve a strong consensus….There NO stupid people there…let not forget that we all can make mistakes and misjudgements!!!….

    Greetings from Holland,

  19. lopo30
    March 9, 2011 at 7:47 am |

    they really need to think up some new way to show there show to the world and not only to US people who sure dont like scient fiction shows as the raitings say … US people like csi and all the criminal investication shows … there is like at least 10 tv shows in a week what is about police investicating some criminal activity and these shows get 5+ miljon viewers raitings … if the scient fiction shows would be world wide then the raitings would be a lot more then it is rite now to … i have Syfy channel but i live in europe and i have russian version what dont show anything good .. charmed warehouse 13 , clark and luice , sgu (season one only) and sanctuary is in the second season … mostly shows only charmed and the pointless clark and luice shows .. 3 eps straight every day and 2 times a day

  20. Jauh0
    March 9, 2011 at 9:22 am |

    @an72: I lost my faith in tv business executive’s competence a long time ago.

  21. peteym5
    March 9, 2011 at 9:54 am |

    As of Wednesday, March 9th, the episode has not been put up on HULU. Syfy does put the episodes on HULU and monitor how many people view it. I am not sure how much they profit from that, but they run a few quick ads where there were commercial breaks.

  22. Rob24
    March 9, 2011 at 10:00 am |

    High or low ratings this show isn’t getting renewed the fanbase has moved on.

  23. Coremae
    March 9, 2011 at 11:34 am |

    A Million Viewers? Are they sure? because I’m from the Bahamas and I watched, and that dude from Holland watched. So that’s two more than a million. Makes one wonder, how many of us foreigners watch the show. i know, how about those from syfy as us foreigners which commercial was the most memorable? I know denorex dandruff shampoo was the most memorable for me, because i have dandruff BAD!. And when i get some coin, i’ll buy it, and the selsun blue shampoo, but after they brought on the denorex commercial five times, i think i’ll get that instead. SEE SYFY, WE FOREIGNERS WATCH AND BUY YOUR ADVERTISED CRAP, BUT ACCORDING TO YOU, WE DON’T EXIST.

  24. mythos
    March 9, 2011 at 11:43 am |

    Did anyone REALLY think the ratings were going to jump much? Now that the show is cancelled? I think it did quite well, considering. I also think that if the show had the same tone as Deliverance all along, there would be a third season. It was actually a pretty good episode. And they showed signs of dropping the ‘whoa is me’ undertone, they were just a year late in doing it. If the rest of the episodes are like Deliverance, I’ll at least say that the show is going down with it’s head held high. But I doubt that will be the case.

  25. Slayme
    March 9, 2011 at 11:44 am |

    @ Jim

    You are quite right. SyFy has proven time and again that it can’t (should I say won’t) learn from past mistakes. We only have to look at one of their earliest and biggest blunders. I’m talking about Farscape of course. Then Sci-Fi indulged in multi-month hiatuses in mid season, changed the day and time from the top performing block to a worse one in order to give newer programming the best slot.

    I found this the other night […] http://www.watchfarscape.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8477 […] and read it all. I found it’s contents to be eerily familiar. Give it a read and tell me SyFy learns from past mistakes.

  26. captainawesome
    March 9, 2011 at 11:49 am |

    My understanding is that iTunes sales and Hulu views were minimal and didn’t ad very much. iTunes sales would only benefit MGM and Hulu might not actually effect SyFy. As someone who actually liked the show (not loved) I have to admit to my interest waning by the mid-season mark of Season 1, and the lengthy breaks in the show (with no notice of when it would come back, ever!) sapped any will I had between halves. I still have yet to watch my DVRed version of Deliverance.

  27. DocScience
    March 9, 2011 at 2:42 pm |

    I didn’t even know the show was on.
    Thank heavens the DVR caught it.

  28. puddlejumper_1
    March 9, 2011 at 3:57 pm |

    @ an72
    “just relax”? syfy is constantly giving stargate viewers the middle finger. sgu people in general have been saying they hate wrestling for being on syfy, so what does syfy do? they put sgu on the same time slot as the most viewed wrestling show..monday night raw!! it is seriously the road to wrestlemania, the superbowl of wrestling and they put it on the same time slot as raw. Syfy are just complete bunches of idiots or they really dont give a shit about sgu anymore. They say they given the time slots carefully consideration, well obviously they havent. The show should be placed on thursday, or friday nights before smackdown starts which would easily give them more viewers. This just shows plain and simple how bad syfy is at buisness, it just seems like monkeys are running that company

  29. Where, oh, Where Has the Old Rush Gone? | Misty Midwest Mossiness
    March 9, 2011 at 4:16 pm |

    […] watch the episode ‘live’ even though not doing so probably contributed to SGU’s less than stellar ratings upon the return of the second season.  I felt let down, similar to what I felt with the Season Two […]

  30. kenny
    March 9, 2011 at 4:23 pm |

    The show got the rating it deserved. It was not that exciting. 1 million viewers compared to a mainstream show of 7.7 million viewers. 1 million is pretty bad. Waiting to see Atlantis and SG1 actors make their final appearances on the show. Bet the ratings uptick then.

  31. VoodooFX
    March 9, 2011 at 5:52 pm |

    @Kenny: AFAIK, there are no planned appearances of SG1 actors in the remaining episodes. One episode with SGA’s Rodney and Woolsey and that’s it.

  32. The Tenth Doctor
    The Tenth Doctor
    March 9, 2011 at 6:10 pm |

    It would be perfect if the ratings hit the roof for the SGA episode and then fall apart again the next week. Perfect message to TPTB, at least from most of you Stargate fans. I want to see this happen.

  33. raggedsail
    March 9, 2011 at 5:42 pm |

    Well if they would have let people know about it maybe this wouldn’t have been so bad. By the way, SciFi or should I say Syfy is pushing more and more shows away. They are trying to be a reality TV / really stupid/cheesy/boring ass movie network. I’m just waiting for them to cancel Eureka, Sanctuary, and Warehouse 13. Why the hell are they even calling themselves the Syfy channel when they consistently distance themselves from the fan base that built the network up. Straight up, Syfy sucks. Their just like Fox. They may have a big franchise on these series, but now that the TV shows will be a thing of the past. Syfy is going to hurt real bad for a network audience.

  34. Scott Watson
    March 9, 2011 at 6:15 pm |

    @kenny I’ve never seen any show on Syfy get anywhere near 7.7 million viewers.

  35. Xyla
    March 9, 2011 at 7:25 pm |

    Seems to me it did great considering they use such a flawed rating system and that the show is already cancelled. It’s not easy to care about a show that is cancelled, and probably a lot of people that heard it was cancelled thought the season break was the end of it.

  36. The Admiral
    The Admiral
    March 9, 2011 at 7:39 pm |

    At this point, I have to doubt the validity of Gateworld’s figures on viewership. Few people in America have ever been a Nielsen family such as myself, and even fewer who haven’t don’t know how this out of date system works. There are only about half a million Nielsen households in America, and the data collected from what those half a million people are watching is fed into a mathematical equation containing the total estimated number of TV households in America; this is where these numbers are coming from. Anyone with a decent amount of intelligence can realize that every American is not the same, and these 500,000 people certainly can’t represent all of America’s TV tastes. In reality, the actual number of live viewers per episode of SGU is probably near the 2 million mark; when you factor in new age viewing system such as online streaming and DVR,that figure could easily double. The reason new age viewing devices are not taken into account is because of two things; money and commercials. Ask anyone what they do when they watch a DVR show, they fast forward through the commercials. Online streaming has one or two commercials and that’s it. Live TV can have anywhere near ten ads during the commercials, and that translates to more money for the network; this is why they continue to associate the out of date Nielsen system with “true” show ratings.

    SyFy is the real culprit to blame in this mess, because they care more about money then they do about how a show is actually doing. Case in point, SyFy VP of Original Programing and Development, Erika Kennair, who through a reliable source I know is a Stargate fan. Despite her love of the show, she is listed through another reliable source as being one of the people instrumental in bringing wrestling to SyFy, and through the contrived Nielsen system has been shown to be watched heavily, and that equals more money for the network. Its been well agreed through the fan circles that the move from Friday to Tuesday, to make room for SyFy’s “beloved” wrestling is what’s hurting the show, as the Nielsen families are busy watching more bogus reality shows and dull spinoffs on network TV on Tuesday nights. Now to play devil’s advocate, I will admit that SGU has a few flaws, but nothing on the scale the SGU haters have been spouting to justify its cancellation. Gateworld, I have to ask you to stop continually posting these obviously false ratings figures, because you’re just throwing fuel on the flames of the SGU haters.

  37. Sylvia
    March 9, 2011 at 8:13 pm |

    @The Admiral, the data may be flawed but it is what every network out there uses to decide the fate of a series. That is the reality we currently live with, every show out there lives or dies by the “flawed” Nielsen ratings. Not just SGU and not just Syfy.

  38. niall penfold
    niall penfold
    March 9, 2011 at 9:49 pm |

    ok first can i sayy that i really cant beleive tht sgu didnt et to show the whole b4 it was cancelled but now it is starting to show sg features like the humour but they are encorporating it perfectly with the show but it took this long to really get the show started yea it was diffrent from other sg shows but now they are on the path to make it brilliant but tbh ffs syfi f off from englang

  39. gatelady
    March 9, 2011 at 10:17 pm |

    Gee…After episode 10 what WILL we talk about ;)

  40. Slayme
    March 9, 2011 at 11:55 pm |

    @ Darren Sumner

    You are absolutely right Darren. And the problem is two fold. First Nielsen: they haven’t kept up with the changing face of broadcast media. They haven’t increased their sample size to something close to reasonable, say 10% of the total viewing households, though I have no idea what it would cost Nielsen to track 10 million+ actual households every night. Second, the networks. They contine to accecpt Nielsens’ numbers as facts. And they haven’t demanded that Nielsen shape up, with a modern and vastly more accurate system, or ship out.

    And here’s a question I just thought of: has there ever been another US company that tried to replace Nielsen with a better system?

  41. Lucus Anon
    Lucus Anon
    March 9, 2011 at 11:57 pm |

    @Admiral (and everyone):

    Perhaps you might be interested to read an article titled “The truth about TV ratings, online viewing and sci-fi shows”, by Craig Engler, GM and senior VP of Syfy Digital.


    Mr. Engler writes that “… the difference in revenue derived from TV views compared to online views is massive”: a 10-to-1 difference would “probably be lucky”; “…and that’s likely an optimistic number.” (The hope is that online-viewing revenues may continue to rise in the coming years.)

    (For further reading: More than 40 replies by Mr. Engler can be found among the first 6 pages of comments below the article.)

  42. Slayme
    March 10, 2011 at 12:19 am |

    I just found this recent article (31/Jan/2011)about the Nielsen system. […] http://splitsider.com/2011/01/why-nielsen-ratings-are-inaccurate-and-why-theyll-stay-that-way/ […]

    Good reading and informative.

  43. an72
    March 10, 2011 at 9:11 am |

    Well guys ,I have no idea what US people prefer to watch, but from my observations one thing is so sure: Before SG franchise shows did not have any “viewers problems”.

    Did you some of you ask why this happened now that so many of the present Syfy shows are just knock down by the auditory and what is this “thing” which make this shows “a like” with the result….

    I have been giving a thought and here it is what I think…why SGU did not have this great rating as the others…well according me is not the story ,is not the plot ,is not the cast, is not syfy timing….it is the style…same as Battlestar Galactica it is the difference between “Avatar “and “Pitch Black 1”. The picture which do not bring the same quality and beauty – the most simplest pleasure for the eye…and then if the story goes little slow, well you get the result…

    I think when MGM break the “basics “ within an established already “SG making brand “– this successful franchise formula of approach – that is what bring all this. I am very sorry in a way that is happened, because a great team is in a position of losing a great stuff an all because of experimenting…((( I am quiet sure that if SGU was with the same team, with the same script with original Wright style of execution – all will be different now….
    I hope MGM and Syfy realize that and give the team a green line for the next shot…

  44. Jim
    March 10, 2011 at 10:44 am |

    @ Slayme Yes,regarding your Farscape post,I know that very well,since I was very involved with that whole mess at the time and yes it’s an exellent showcase of an awfull transformation of the Sci-Fi Channel,that had started back then already.You’re right about that,that was the beginning of the situation we have today.And bare in mind,no matter what,the overall situation back then was still so much better than it is nowdays.But as far as learning from previous mistakes and thus changing things,it is literally unbeliavable how incompetent they are!

    Regarding Nielsen,it is more than imperfect,it’s absurdly far from reallity and getting further and further away from it each minute.But it is the only system to go by so far,there’s simply no real alternative to it yet.We all know though that the alternative has to and will arrive and soon.It’s as sure as the sun coming up tomorrow..not 100%,but pretty sure,lol.

  45. Chris1
    March 10, 2011 at 10:54 am |

    Unless it is in the Star Wars Universe(live action not cartoons) or a massively hyped up relaunch of Star Trek no sci-fi show will ever have huge ratings.

    Sci-Fi is just not “cool” and mainstream in the pop culture of our society.

    I just don’t know what these networks expect. They’re not going to draw in millions like they do for American Idol or some other reality nonsense which unfortunately leads us to getting more reality shows.

  46. Jauh0
    March 10, 2011 at 12:03 pm |

    @Chris1: Sci-fi usually has very hard expectations to meet. But I wouldn’t say that “nerds” aren’t “cool”. Not based on my experience.
    The reason we get annoying reality shows is because they are cheap and require no skillzzzzzz.

  47. Slayme
    March 10, 2011 at 2:49 pm |

    @ Jim

    The “overall situation” was better back then. In one of the special features interviews in the most recent box set of the Farscape series, one of the producers/directors (can’t remember the name) said that throughout season 1 they spent as much per episode as might be spent on a small motion picture. By the time season 3 was being produced those costs were far less than what Sci-Fi could have hoped to pay in Canada or the US (the show was produced in Australia and all the actors with the exception of Ben Browder were Aussie).

    As for those who are hoping for a movie or mini-series to wrap up SGU, I consider that to be fairly iffy. Farscape got “The Peacekeeper Wars” because Brian Henson aquired the rights to Farscape after he saw the enormous fan response and he wanted to give the fans some kind of closure to the series. Making some money off it wasn’t bad either. I’m not sure there is anyone associated with SGU who has the personal commitment with the resources to do what Henson did except MGM itself.

  48. danawhitaker
    March 10, 2011 at 9:39 pm |

    Yikes. And that’s when Castle doesn’t have a new episode on (it was a rerun this week, and I believe will be back with brand new episodes on the 21st of March). I just got around to watching the episode last night, and while I enjoyed it, I admit I watched the Castle re-air when SGU was airing, and I’ll still be watching Castle every Monday at 9 p.m. central. SGU will get timeshifted at least one day for me, if not more. I’m still not sure what SyFy is trying to do except for attempt to lose the demographic that supports shows like SGU and BSG in the first place.

  49. worgel
    March 10, 2011 at 11:11 pm |

    Main stream audiences suck!

  50. worgel
    March 10, 2011 at 11:15 pm |

    I want my space TV!

  51. worgel
    March 10, 2011 at 11:34 pm |

    I live in Canada and watch SGU on the Space channel (channel 44 in my little corner of the country) and I will be watching every episode of SGU “Live” commercials and all…well not all the commercials, until the last ep of the season has aired. notice how I said season and NOT series. I know that ratings here do not mean much to the greater scheme but its the thought that counts…I hope.

  52. rewilson
    March 11, 2011 at 12:12 am |

    Putting SGU on monday against wrestling is just what the execs wanted. First it justifies syfy was right to show wrestling just for the ratings. Second, the execs want poor rating for SGU. What would happen if SGU had 2 mil or more viewers. It would mean they made a mistake in cancelling SGU. Can’t have that now can we.

  53. Xyla
    March 11, 2011 at 7:05 am |

    What people are saying about mainstream audiences and sci-fi not having a chance is absolutely right. But this goes back to the flawed rating system. Yes it’s true that network TV has to go by what Nielson says because thats what the advertisers do. But it is also the case that the sci-fi audience is not as small as these ratings would have us believe. Something that is not mainstream is going to fall through the cracks in such a poorly devised system with such a small sample set. Of course something that appeals to the masses is going to be much more easily represented by a small sample set. Lets face it, hardcore sci-fi fans are often not what you would call “normal”. Nielson’s system reflect “normal” TV watchers. This means people who watch TV on a real TV set, and watch the commercials during their wrestling and reality shows. The sci-fi crowd is a lot more evolved than those kind of people, so they are very poorly represented if at all in the current system.

    A network that claims to be a sci-fi network should be embracing new technologies, as that is where their audience is, instead of fighting against it. Withholding new episodes from their website and Hulu is just one example of how backwards Syfy is. Science fiction on TV is now dying completely first, but it will eventually be followed by all network TV. Whenever networks get their heads out of their asses (if they don’t go out of business first) and move into the future, we’ll start seeing sci-fi TV again. Who knows, maybe it will be just in time for a Stargate reboot.

  54. Jim
    March 11, 2011 at 10:05 am |

    @Xyla Exactly!! That is just it,I absolutely agree with both of your points.

    @Slayme Yes,what you say is true and now we have to wait and see whether MGM and these showrunners will care as much for their story to be told and for their fanbase,as Henson Company did.Their behaviour kinda has been saying just the opposite for the past two years,or at least a year.So I wouldn’t get my hopes up there.
    And when I said that the situation was better back then,I didn’t actually mean the costs of making a particular show such as Farscape,although that is true..I meant the situation in sci-fi generally,the atmosphere was still much more positive and favorable for making those kind of shows,than it is nowdays.And regardless of that,things had already started falling apart even back then.Now think about how much harder it is today,especially when networks like SyFy havent adapted,learned from previous mistakes and experiences and not only that,but they still refuse to do so.Instead of thinking ahead and long term(going back to what Xyla was saying),they just look to make quick,overnight profit,just going with the flow with these reality epidemic and whatever seems profitable today,when in fact that same flow will pull them down and they’ll drown in it,because they will never be able to comprte with big mainstream networks.

  55. mythos
    March 11, 2011 at 12:16 pm |

    To those blaming Syfy for not considering foreign viewers…why would they? Unless Syfy (US) broadcasts directly to you in the form of a network agreement with whatever level of government in a given area makes such decisions, then you don’t count to them because they can’t base advertising rates off of you as a viewer. It is Syfy (US) that was the one involved in the development agreement with MGM for SGU. Syfy does have offices in other countries, but unless they have a Syfy (US) channel in said country, then you wouldn’t be relative to their decision to no longer support SGU.

    For those blaming the Nielsen ratings, no it’s not precise, but it is accurate. They’re not interested in how many people watch. They’re interested in how many people that watch whom are likely affected by commercial advertising. And even more specifically, how many likely viewers there are in a given demographic so that advertisers know whether it’s best for their product. If SGU got 5 million viewers but they were all over 50, the commercials would be Depends and Ensure. This is why scifi has a hard time on tv. The average Stargate viewer DVR’s and skips the commercials and is far more likely to look for something they need on Google rather than from a tv commercial. Commercial time is nothing more than bathroom breaks, getting a drink, checking email, etc for most Stargate viewers. Anything but actually watching the commercials. Why would an advertiser want to pay for such a person? If I were going to spend the money to air a commercial during a show, I would sure want to know how likely it was for the commercial to get the desired attention. As for a better system, sure it would be a better rating system if Comcast and Verizon and Cox could simply tell the networks whom is watching what…but Americans tend to not be too comfortable with the idea of such companies freely using such information as we tend to like our privacy. If online video were included in distribution agreements with television stations by default, it too would provide a much better way to measure a show’s popularity, but that’s not how it works because the studios want to make more money on different distribution chains. So unless the network actually owns a show, markets like online video and dvd sales aren’t important to them (this obviously varies based on the contract and some of the major networks do get full distribution rights to their shows – at least full US distribution rights).

    And technically, it’s the advertisers that sunk the show. If there were advertisers that believed in SGU’s audience despite the Nielsen ratings, it would go on. A show could survive with 100 viewers as long as the advertisers were willing to spend enough to pay for the show. But that’s obviously not the case. And while there were effort with both SG1 and SGA by the fans to affect the show (daniel jackson and carson beckett campaigns), there has been no such effort that I’ve heard of with SGU. Talk of it, yes, but I haven’t heard of anything organized actually taking place. So all indications really point to there just being a lack of interest in the show.

  56. J-Whitt987
    March 11, 2011 at 7:35 pm |

    Of course ratings dropped. The average viewer had no idea of the time change. I wouldn’t have even known if it hadn’t been on gateworld. If Syfy isn’t going to advertise well enough to let people know what else can you expect?

  57. stray
    March 12, 2011 at 12:32 am |

    It would be nice if SyFy could run seasons in their entirety, or at least not have shows go on hiatus quite so randomly, for 6 months, 4 months, 9 months… whatever it ends up being.

    Maybe they’re just giving up on original programming altogether, pretty soon it’ll just be Ghost Hunters, Star Trek reruns, and B movies.

    I am glad I surfed some Stargate info and found out that season 2.5 was airing… wouldn’t have had a clue otherwise.

  58. Cube
    March 12, 2011 at 9:03 am |

    Well did not watch. I have not watched it since that one episode where they get captured by aliens and put in a water tank what ever it was… I was done by then the aliens was the only cool part of the show but I don’t care about anything else on it.

    They should just burn off the show in one day like they did with caprica and be done with this failure and never speak of it again.

    Even star trek enterprize before it killed off star trek turned out better than universe even if it was not as good it was still star trek in style and it had chracters that you could like.

  59. cheyenne67
    March 13, 2011 at 9:58 am |

    “Nielsen’s ratings, in the most basic sense, are like a poll: a sample of people, which the company claims fully represents the TV-watching public, is asked to report their viewing habits back to Nielsen. These people, of which there are about 50,000 (in 20,000 households), are approached by Nielsen to participate, and paid a token amount for their time and effort.”Source-http://splitsider.com”
    20,000 Households can’t ever be a fair way of calculating viewing figures.
    Surely with modern digital tech there’s a far broader, fairer more accurate way of calculating viewing figures? There’s absolutely no danger that SGU s2e11 only had around the 1mill mark, not a chance…This whole system is flawed in my opinion.
    Fair dues it does seem we have a lot of sci-fi fans that have a problem with SGU but I think SGU is tailored to a more grown up audience, ergo, the immature viewer really isn’t going too get it. This is unfortunate but instead of trying too grow with the show and expand their sc-fi experience alot of the less grown up viewer seems happier saying, SGU is crap I never watch it, but it’s crap. I mean you can’t have both ways, you either watch and find it crap or you don’t watch it at all then there’s no way you can know how good or bad the show is.
    I’ve never seen so much bad mouthing of a TV show, it really is incredible. SaveSGU

  60. lepidus
    March 13, 2011 at 6:49 pm |

    My thoughts are why even bother watching it on SyFy. Commercials and all those annoying pop-ups. So I’ll just wait for the Blu-Ray and support the show that way. Not SyFy.

  61. Chevron Atlantis
    Chevron Atlantis
    March 13, 2011 at 8:41 pm |

    You people really expect Syfy to renew the series when it was only getting $1 million viewers?
    @Stray information I’ve got is that they might not show re-runs of the show ever again but I don’t know if that’s true or not.

  62. Jim
    March 14, 2011 at 2:35 pm |

    @cheyenne67 Ah,what can you do,haters will hate.I really liked all three sg incarnations and I’ve said many times that I had certain issues with SGU,but I had issues with SG1 and SGA as well.The thing that makes me sad is that SGU never got the chance to show it’s full potential.Showrunners are partly responsible for that,but it’s because they’d planned a long-running series.The biggest portion of responsibility for that is on SyFy and it’s bad programming and promoting.That is simply the fact.It’s debatable why is it so,but it is so.
    And if you read posts over here,you’ll actualy see that most people are admitting to the fact that the show had it’s pacing problems,but they just as well recognize the great premise and the potential of SGU,as well as the great performances by the cast.
    But the thing is you have a very vocal minority,as it usually happens that have been bad mouthing the show from the get go.They’ve been blaiming it for the cancelation of SGA and were never ready to give it a chance at all.So there you have it.Their complaints,unlike those valid ones are that the show became a soap opera,lol..just because it was serialized and had an arc.That’s why it is not real sci-fi.By that criteria B5 was a soap opera.It’s just ridiculous.I fully respect the legacy and admit,to this day SG1 is my favorite,but SGU definitely had a potential to become better than Atlantis,or at least be equally good..in a different way,sure..with a different approach.
    But,I repeat it never got the chance to be accepted for what it is,I’d even say a hero origin story.It didn’t have an established hero characters,but it’s quite obvious that the intent was to get there,to show the becoming of the heroes.Thrugh the story most of the characters would start tapping into their inner ,core sources of human strenght and start finding it,evolving,changing themselves and affecting the change in the ppl around them.That,spiced up with more and more action/adventure and mysteries of the deep space could have possibly made this into the best piece of the franchise.Now we’ll never know.Just as we won’t have a space exploration show.We’re obviously not ready for that,evolutionary.But we’re going back to fear of invading,bad aliens,that is only projection of ourselves and our own fears;V 2009,Falling Skies,Terranova…Some also say it was immature.Comparing it to space vampires and the beginnings of SG1 that is a hilarious claim.I agree with you that the show was in fact more grown up and mature and it didn’t need;we go through stargate,we run into a problem,Sam,or McKay(both of whom I love btw)solve the most intricate scientific stuff in seconds,through self-parody techno-bable,O’Neill/Mitchell & Teal’c,or Sheppard & Ronan kick some bad-guys ass and we go home.
    Yes that was entertaining,but many people don’t even realize the self-parody and sarcastic quallity of the previous two series.But honestly,that was more entertaining to me,when I was a kidd.Sgu story,however is more compelling to me now.Especially because I tie it more with the second,more serialized and story-wise ambitious half of sg1.Sga,in my opinion started really awesome and strong,bit then from quite early on beggan falling apart and turning into a mess.But hay,it had Ronan the Barbarian and the Bruce Willis type action hero Sheppard..dry humor,wise cracking and a lot a shootin’guns!Explosions in space!Yeah,if that is mature,then I admit,I’m very immature.What my ultimate point is,the question and argument of maturity is completely irrelevant.What is relevant is the subjective taste and who find which characters more intersesting.Discussion about taste is pointless.I like them all in their own way.And the numbers didn’t have anything to do with the quallity of the show,because of two reasons,one;massive popularty that big numbers indicate,always only meant mainstream,which through history was almost axclusively opposite of true and lasting quallity.And two;In this case lower numbers have more to do with failed promoting and scheduling startegy,as well as with general trend tv industry is facing nowdays.When you look at the ratings of stargate all together and that is very easy..it can be seen on this very site,it shows a continuous drop,through the entire last decade.Before Sgu had even begun,it was falling and fell from 2.5-3 mil to 1.3-1.5 mil viewers at the end of sg1 and by the end of sga.

  63. cheyenne67
    March 15, 2011 at 9:45 am |

    @Chevron Atlantis kid, you prove my point so well and as eloquently as you probably can!
    With a log-in name like you have does that not make you 1 of the type off people your talking about?
    You and others kid’s like you don’t seem to get it, we are all in this Stargate adventure together, I like Jim, thought SGA started well then went downhill very rapidly, but what the hell it was Stargate and deserved my support after all the enjoyment the Stargate team had given me over the years.
    Now like probably like yourself I would like too see the planned SG1 SGA movies come into being but party because off small minded hate filled folk that seem to spend an awful lot of time and energy BAD MOUTHING a show they obviously don’t even watch have helped in making these movies as dead and buried as SGU itself.
    Now for crying out loud all you folks the bad mouth SGA really need too focus all your energies into saving SGU if we stand any chance of having these SG1 and SGA movies. IMHO if we get SGU’s rating through the roof by mid 2.5 series we have a real chance of saving the franchise and then all Stargate fans might just might get what we want.

    Now come on get a grip grow up and get behind SGU and save this incredible voyage all Stargate fans are on.


  64. LightningSparx
    March 15, 2011 at 6:59 pm |

    I have to admit I didn’t even realize SGU was back on, and then one night while browsing through the DVR’s playlist I noticed it recorded something new for SGU. So sad this show is being treated like this, there is such trash on television now. Wrestling and Reality just doesn’t belong on the SciFi channel… but is it really a SciFi channel anymore? I hate SyFy…. Sigggh

  65. cbellatrix
    March 17, 2011 at 8:22 am |

    It’s a damned shame SGU was cancelled! without it there’s no SGA “Extinction” Movie, that’s the wort news i’ve ever heard, perhaps except the news that SGA, itself was to be cancelled:(

  66. Jim
    March 17, 2011 at 9:22 am |

    @cheyenne67 Well said,sir! But unfortunatelly,a sad fact is that those ppl you adress will most probably not understand what you’re saying.You can’t make frustrated haters to stop being who they are.
    I am happy that there are ppl like you within stargate fandom,but they are so rare that basically stargate fandom does not exist in reality.You have sg1 fans,sga fans…
    And most of them aren’t even real sci-fi fans,although they like to call themselves that very much and also label shows they for whatever reasons didn’t like,or understand as not sci-fi!I mean I’ve read here stuff like BSG isn’t sci-fi,lol!And why,well because it had a long arc,it had to much phylosophy and religion and too little tech,futuristic tech.That can obviously say only a person who didn’t even watch the show and understands nothing about it,or about sci-fi,for that matter.BSG that had a very good reason for having the tech it did and mind you only the Battlestar,only the Flagship in the fleet of 40-50 space ships.Also a show happening in space with fighter shuttle squadrons,space battles,robots,AI looking human that wipe out most of human race and chace the survivors in search for new home,across the universe…no,that is not sci-fi at all!!
    I’m saying all that for two reasons;first most of those ppl are not sci-fi fans,nor they understand it,but are fans of action movies.Isaac Asimov didn’t write about robots,for the sake of robots(tech),but for the sake of socio-ethic repercusions and cosequences of robots among humans in the future..etc.
    Second reason and the main point,Star Trek fans and I’m one of them,like certain ST franchises better than the others,but do they do,or have they done what so called sg fans are doing now?NO!Never!
    That is the case in every real sci-fan community,they nit pick and pick appart every little thing about shows they love,but in the end,they love those shows and respect creators and when it counts are incredibly loyal.
    That’s just the thing,sg fans and to be fair not all of them,but as a community never have been like that,they have been split into different splinter groups for a long time and the first time after 13 years and 15 seasons,something went a little bit wrong and just for a year basically,just one season..they have completely fallen apart.
    And Brad Wright,a guy who’d created the whole universe,the whole sg world(with the rest of the crew) and entertained them for so long is all of a sudden persona non grata,Lucifer himself.Certain individuals,with a few followers who incite such attitude toward him and they know very well who they are,should be ashamed,because they are a disgrace!!
    And if I were BW,or Joe Malozzi,I would really give them a middle finger,not wait for SyFy Channel to do so!
    Their argument;”He told us not to watch if we didn’t like it,so we didn’t.”How pathetic,they didn’t watch because they didn’t wanna give it a chance at all!That’s why they didn’t watch it.And now what,is this a victory..you know,like;We’d shown him,lol!And now,after that they expect him to give them “THEIR” movies!?Really for cryin’ out loud!They deserve nothing,no movies,no stargate at all,ever again!Mr.Brad Wright can do well for himself without them,I am absolutely positive about that,he was doing it for them in the first place,he wasn’t telling stories to himself!GEEZ!! I’m only feeling sorry for the real fans who will lose everything,so for their sake I hope at least SGU movie’s made to tie up the loose ends.As for everybody else,they can go back to rewatching their SGA dvd’s over and over and over again!

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