74 Responses

  1. nfioresi
    May 25, 2011 at 5:16 pm |

    i actually quite enjoyed that episode.

  2. majorsal
    May 25, 2011 at 5:17 pm |

    i hope syfy moves the show back to friday. (((sanctuary)))

  3. Browncoat1984
    May 25, 2011 at 5:21 pm |

    Gotta say that I loved this episode. My favorite episode this season so far (last week’s was good too though) very well-done, almost felt like watching an episode of Band of Brothers, rather than that terrible episode of Star Trek Enterprise where Archer went back in time to WWII. Loved the whole look/feel of the ep and from the title of next week’s episode I have a feeling that we might get another period piece.

    I think what we have to take from this is instead of looking at ratings on a week-to-week basis we should look at an overall season basis to get an average. You can’t judge a show’s overall viewer based on weekly ratings only, because people aren’t always going to be able to watch live or remember that its on (I forgot actually lol, with season and series finales going on I forget Sanctuary still has a few episodes).

    I am, however, disappointed with Sanctuary’s first 20-episode season. I expected more cohesiveness and a more connected plot, instead we still get random episodes with a bit of an overall plot, but the once an episode dealing with the season’s main plot is over, that’s about all you hear about it until the next big episode.

  4. kook916
    May 25, 2011 at 5:37 pm |


  5. knowles2
    May 25, 2011 at 5:40 pm |

    Well I think we can say for certain, Syfy experiment of showing original material on Mondays have been a complete and utter flop. An there no hiding from this one. Even SGU did consistently better in this time slot than Sanctuary is doing. Syfy need to change there strategy and some new management at the top. An I think us fans need to keep applying pressure to Syfy management.

  6. steelbox
    May 25, 2011 at 7:22 pm |

    Only Idiots get things wrong twice. First with Universe than Sanctuary now, can’t they see that the only thing they are doing is hurting the show? Even when and if Sanctuary gets back into Friday, it will certainly loose credibility with those that pay to announce adds in the intervals of the shows.

  7. Pioneering
    May 25, 2011 at 8:31 pm |

    Well I think we can say for certain, the Syfy experiment of showing original material on Mondays has been a complete and utter failure. And there’s no hiding from this one. Even SGU did consistently better in this time slot than Sanctuary is doing. Syfy needs to change their strategy and try some new management at the top. And I think we fans need to keep applying pressure on the Syfy management.

  8. JoeTheDragon
    May 25, 2011 at 8:34 pm |

    syfy needs to make room for moved stuff from other comcast / nbc networks and next year round 1 of the NHL.

  9. jeffknight
    May 25, 2011 at 8:50 pm |

    Welcome to trying to run a genre show against monsters like Dancing With the Stars… SyFy really needs to write off this experiment with moving genre shows to the fall and trying to compete with long-established shows with a massive audience appeal as a bad idea and move the genre shows back to summer/winter where they will do wonderfully… Anyone want to start a petition to bring back a 5-hour block of SciFi Friday with Warehouse 13, Eureka, Sanctuary, Blood and Chrome and a new Stargate show?

  10. Ekras
    May 25, 2011 at 9:01 pm |

    Woohoo! Finally some good news!

  11. Ekras
    May 25, 2011 at 9:03 pm |

    Jeffknight- they have already emphaticly said “no way in hell, to ANY of that… they are now blocking people on Facebook and Twitter asking for them to bring stuff back, and told their fans to go “bugger off” – theres a reason for the boycott that goes far beyond them hurting shows like this.

  12. stargatefan1958
    May 25, 2011 at 9:06 pm |

    please move this back to fridays take off the wrestling put it on another night.

  13. 3531767
    May 25, 2011 at 9:36 pm |

    Great just great, syfy is killing another show with this monday experiment! OR the Boycott of syfy is being followed through with action from fans .

    BOYCOTT syfy

  14. kook916
    May 25, 2011 at 10:21 pm |

    I had an idea earlier that i know is unrelated to this article but, if an sgu movie isnot going to happen what about a SG-ALL STARS movie that could include sg1 and a few from atlantis rescuing the sgu crew therefore killing 3 birds with one stone 1.SGU conclusion 2. SG1 movie 3. Atlantis movie all in one shot. saving mgm money and pleasing fans.

  15. mulderc
    May 25, 2011 at 11:03 pm |

    I think this proves someone needs to get fired at Syfy.

    With both SGU and Caprica i think they had shows that could have been very profitable for the network. Maybe not wrestling profitable, but could have turned a profit and made great television.

    Instead they decided to try scheduling decisions that easily killed both shows. Now i don’t think either show was ever going to be more then a niche hit. I doubt they would have even gotten to BSG levels of popularity. But they would have turned a nice little profit and made the core SciFi audience happy so that when that major crossover hit finally did come to Syfy, all the geeks would be there to sign it’s praises. Now none of us have any faith in Syfy and will likely be hesitant to give any of there shows a chance in the future. Personally i am already planning to skip BSG:Blood and Chrome and just wait until it hits netflix.

  16. The Admiral
    The Admiral
    May 25, 2011 at 11:36 pm |

    @kook916: the SGU movie idea the producers were working on was an “all-stars” movie. MGM has stated they don’t want to do anything more with Stargate, and would rather make money off of Bond 23 and their Viking show.

  17. simsity
    May 25, 2011 at 11:37 pm |

    kook916, Jeffknight, ekras all have valid points. with all shows taking a dive in the ratings hopefully SYFI will re-analyze their cancellation decision of SGU. Additionally, having the entire library streaming on SYFI’s webcite, (while charging a low-cost membership to help fund the shows); supplimented by non-skipable advertisments (If we want our shows, it’s a give and take) would boost ratings, revenue, and increase the accuracy of the ‘ratings’ survey by including DVR’s, Live internet Streaming, and post-air streaming on SYFI’s webcite.

    Last, one inprovement for gateworld’s IT and moderators would be to add a function to comment on others’ post’s.

  18. Rocky89
    May 25, 2011 at 11:54 pm |

    Seeing those low ratings only fuels my frustration for Syfy, and breaks my heart for the show. I’m disgusted that Syfy would do that to Sanctuary, how they’d ruin the show, only to help another show that did way worse. Syfy is not only hurting the shows reputation, but the cast and crew, and us fans. I hope Syfy knows what they did was wrong, and I hope they move the show back home in S4, or else there will be no S5.

    What Syfy is doing is beyond insulting and disgusting. Amanda came off at GttS as not to impressed that Syfy had the Sanctuary theme cut a bit for the US audience. I wouldn’t be surprised if she also isn’t happy about this. Syfy is killing not only the show, but what sci-fi means/is. Sanctuary was doing well, no problem o Fri, and 5 eps on Mon, and it crashes. This is not the shows fault, but Syfy. Unless they want another fan uproar on their hands, like they did with Caprica and SGU, they’d better put Sanctuary back on Fri, in it’s normal time slot.

    I DO NOT believe that Sanctuary would still be doing this bad if they were still on Fri, not one bit. In S1, they had SGA as their lead-in, in S2, they had SGU, and for the first half of S3, they had WWE, and for a couple of episodes in S3.5 and they always got good ratings, regardless of the lead-in.

    Then 5 eps on Mon, and it goes down hard. The Mon night slot is the problem here, and Syfy should have known that with what was happening with UL. I have no doubt ratings for the last 5 eps would have been much better had they stayed on Fri, a night the show must return to.

  19. Browncoat1984
    May 26, 2011 at 12:20 am |

    I don’t think its the Monday/Tuesday night slot so much as its the Monday/Tuesday night slot in the fall/spring. I bet if they aired it on mon. or tues. in the summer/winter the story would be different.

  20. Brian2k7
    May 26, 2011 at 1:17 am |

    Perhaps Stargate fans have more of an influence than we thought? Are we stopping our Syfy tune in and causing their ratings to go down? If so, GOOD!

  21. Stargate80
    May 26, 2011 at 1:56 am |

    Syfy just wan’t to kill things all stargate related, boo to syfy.

  22. mojo247
    May 26, 2011 at 4:00 am |

    Again, not relevant Stargate news!

  23. zenophite
    May 26, 2011 at 4:02 am |

    Sanctuary is probably costing them too much in comparison with reality shows and the freshman spooky dramas they have been going with to cash in on the Twilight craze…Monday seems to be the scuttle day for SyFy shows.

    Sanctuary never did it for me, but for the fans of the show I hope you get your wish of more seasons.

  24. Imperious
    May 26, 2011 at 4:16 am |

    SyFy Channel is dying a slow painful death, and it’s all their own fault.
    The likely out come of this will be that no one at all will approach them to air their shows.

  25. Atlantislov
    May 26, 2011 at 7:27 am |

    Boycotting SYFY will not show them it will just make you lose all of your show never to return. So what can you do support your show so that way when they get cancel another network will pick them up. What cancel SGU is that it cost to much to make that is one of the main reason Syfy never pick up Firefly when it was offered to them. If SGU did not cost so much they would have renew it looking at the rating. I think the reason they put Sanctuary on Monday was to get a feel of what might happen when Alphas comes on at that time slot.

    What I think will end up happen in the future is they will be tired of dealing with Sci fi fans and so first they will become 100% reality TV then they will change over to another genre of TV. When that happens we are the losers because no other network will want the hastle of dealing with Sci fi fans. messing up their network.

  26. tb1342
    May 26, 2011 at 9:17 am |

    hold on let me act surprised…..Wow, you mean saving a shows rating by moving it to Monday’s is not a GREAT idea???? I am boycotting SCFI and laugh when I scan through my Chanels and skip over the monster crock marathon on SyFy..or when the Syfy Facebook page posts lame new shows or attempts to draw fans back…I do not care if the channel fails or switches to “reality only” they do not show SyFy anymore..so who cares? I say boycott, boycott, boycott…play the tiniest fiddle as they go down in flames

  27. Yxelione
    May 26, 2011 at 11:16 am |

    SyFy – meh… Sanctuary – ;-(

  28. Jauh0
    May 26, 2011 at 2:01 pm |

    I quite enjoyed that ep, although I didn’t like the fact that they forced Zimmerman in to the script.(You don’t need to have the actor in every ep) Meh, otherwise a good ep. Didn’t come off as cheap, though I think the Wermacht CAN take cover from enemy fire and not just stand around while being mowed down.

    @Browncoat1984: Don’t even compare BoB to this, while this was good, I just finished that series in a marathon and it was fas superior. No offence to Sanctuary.

  29. lordolemons
    May 26, 2011 at 3:10 pm |

    lol who saw that coming… all of SGU fans said f*** u to syfy and now Sanctuary is going down, did some1 say called it?? SyFy ruins everything and i think that something like Space should step up and go international… AND BRING SGU BACK

  30. lordolemons
    May 26, 2011 at 3:15 pm |

    @The Admiral Then MGM should sell the rights to Stargate, just dropping the series and nothing else is a stupid idea, if i had the money to invest it something like SGU i would

  31. kaelenoflorien
    May 26, 2011 at 3:25 pm |

    Aw Man! This is getting ridiculous. That episode was great just like all the others. I hope I don’t lose another good show I look forward to watching because SyFy screwed up yet again! Can no one at SyFy see this move is killing the show?
    I saw Imperious’ note and I quote it here- so right you are!

    SyFy Channel is dying a slow painful death, and it’s all their own fault.
    The likely out come of this will be that no one at all will approach them to air their shows.
    Imperious | May 26 @ 4:16 am

    Crappy movies and wrestling have become the SyFy Channel. RIP to Sci Fi on SyFy. They are slowly killing everthing a Sci Fi lover wants and they don’t even care. They’ll just put on more wrestling and movies starring Debbie Gibson and Tiffany when all the shows are gone. Yuck

  32. The destiny
    The destiny
    May 26, 2011 at 5:07 pm |

    @ Browncoat: Note that these ratings articles covering sanctuary are not meant to belittle the show, or say “it’s ratings are worse than SGU!!11!!” , rather they are intended to keep track of how the monday experiment is going. So far the results are clear: Before the move the ratings were fine/good, after the move they plummeted to appaling levels. Luckily the show was already renewed. While one can note down the average ratings over a season, because people don’t always watch every week, the ratings have been consistently low, nearly 50% lower than they used to be, after the move. This is the 5th episode where this has happened so I deem it unlikely this is merely a case of ‘they just didn’t watch this week’. Please note that these ratings do not in any way reflect on it’s quality but rather reflect on the day on which they are aired: The abominable monday.

    However this still doesn’t really change SGU’s situation. The network tried to get it’s ratings up, but it just didn’t work. And regardless, SGU was pulling roughly 1.4/1.5 ratings in season 1.5 on Fridays, which would not be enough to keep it from cancellation in the long run. There is the slight possibility SGU would’ve gone up in it’s second season because it was such an improvement but we will never know now. It’s quite remarkable that SGUs ratings remained pretty stable on mondays, as monday appears to be a total killer.

  33. JoeTheDragon
    May 26, 2011 at 9:38 pm |

    But SGU was running next to other big shows and Big sport games.

  34. dyingdreams
    May 26, 2011 at 11:47 pm |

    Even though I somewhat enjoy the show, I want to see these ratings drop even more. It’s complete and utter bulls*** that they renewed Sanctuary and cancelled Stargate Universe. Any Stargate fan still watching the channel for anything needs to stop.

  35. jeffknight
    May 27, 2011 at 1:52 am |

    SGU hovering around the 1.0 mark with some fluctuation running on Tuesday night against NCIS and the Dancing with the Stars results show and later on Monday against House and Dancing with the Stars performances tells me it would’ve easily been in the 1.7-2.3 range for season 2 episode averages if it had stayed on Friday nights. You probably would’ve also seen a jump to the mid to high 2’s after the mid-season break as well, since the quality of episodes went up exponentially as the writers were settling into the right pace and the actors became more comfortable with their characters.

    Would it have pulled SG1/SGA numbers? No, because it is a different type of show. Would it have done better on Monday/Tuesday in the summer/winter seasons? Most likely. Would ratings have experienced a boost from lead-in and lead-out shows of a similar nature? Probably. Would ratings have not taken a plummet after the mid-season finale’s announcement that the show was not renewed? Nope, probably not. Would it have been enough to give it a season 3? Possibly, but we’ll never know because SyFy decided to experiment. Experimentation for the sake of experimentation isn’t always wrong, sometimes it yields great results, but the network is wrong to not put the blame for this failure where it belongs. SyFy needs to stand up and take the blame for its actions instead of blaming the viewers and the show’s performance. The bottom line is that with the decision to keep a cheap, fake wrestling show (that would draw mega-ratings on whatever night it was showed) on its Friday night slot and try and compete against the major networks blockbuster shows (House, NCIS, Dancing with the Stars, etc.) on Monday/Tuesday, it has basically told the audience that has come to the channel for almost 2 decades for quality scripted science fiction that we’re not worth enough for them to fight for us because we aren’t their breadwinner anymore.

  36. gatetrek
    May 27, 2011 at 6:50 am |

    GREAT. this will lead to the death of my 2nd to last fav. show (eurEka being my first) and then it will be adios syfy forever. Savor season 4 cause the rate this is going, sancturary will not see a season 5!

  37. ace_love
    May 27, 2011 at 7:37 am |

    Maybe if they brought back SGU they’d get their viewers back too

    (i’m not a poet)

  38. Snowsprite
    May 27, 2011 at 8:30 am |

    lmao, what is the big problem with airing these shows in the summer, where they actually did well

  39. Ekras
    May 27, 2011 at 11:17 am |

    If your as pissed as I am with Syfy you should join the (not endorsed by Gateworld) Boycott at http://www.reformsyfynow.com – There we are working on ways of getting the word out to everyone to stop watching. Until they start making actual science fiction again, we must not watch! We also need to be sure to tune IN to all other science fiction on all other networks, so they can see that they are losing ratings due to policy and not because the genre is getting weaker.

  40. Greenfire32
    May 27, 2011 at 11:20 am |

    So is this because of Syfy’s incompetence, the boycott, or both?

    Part of me really hopes it’s the boycott >:)

  41. Duneknight
    May 27, 2011 at 6:22 pm |

    anyone who thinks this is because of “boycott” must be really smoking something.

  42. mazey
    May 27, 2011 at 6:51 pm |

    i dont know why people are still bothering even watching that channel anymore they kill more shows then abc

  43. Browncoat1984
    May 27, 2011 at 8:28 pm |

    @Ekras I’m sorry, but your boycott isn’t going to work because your demands don’t make sense from a business perspective.

    Also, who are you to define what others consider “science fiction” – I for one love Eureka and Warehouse 13 and think they’re great sci-fi shows. Just because YOU don’t like it doesn’t mean its not science fiction.

  44. Ekras
    May 27, 2011 at 8:41 pm |

    We haven’t made or even listed our demands yet – Whats on the site now are just ideas in a forum thread to get people discussing possibilities. I was quite clear about this. If you have ideas of your own, please feel free to post them.

  45. Ekras
    May 27, 2011 at 8:47 pm |

    Eureka is indeed light-scifi (it’s their last science fiction show). Warehouse 13 is genre-paranormal which is clearly not science fiction. That’s like calling ER or Desperate Housewives science fiction. While there are shows that blur the line (for example Lost) W-13 (while a good enough show which I will borrow the DVD from someone to enjoy) is clearly not one of them. Neither is WWE, Ghost Hunters, Lost Girls, Alphas, or any other shows currently (or soon to be) on Syfail.

  46. thx813
    May 27, 2011 at 11:20 pm |

    Normally I don’t post comments, in fact I had to register for the first time becaue I felt compelled to comment. I am an avid fan of this website, Stargate and until recently SciFi/SyFy. It’s frustrating that there are not more science fiction shows available on this network. BBC America now has Doctor Who and Torchwood (“sigh”… I don’t get these channels.) I’m just not finding much that is good on this channel. Sanctuary is about the only show that I care about until Being Human comes back (love it!) and the new “mutant” show, can’t remember teh title right now. It used to be when I turned on teh tv I checked out what was on SciFi first and then flipped around to other channels, no longer. If it’s not wrestling it’s Ghost Hunters which must be a ratings bonanza but I find it a total yawn. I used to have a channel that I could really get into, but the cheesy movies of the week staring such luminaries of stage and screen as Tiffany just aren’t holding my interest and I can’t stomach another episode of Star Trek, although for a change it might be fun to see Deep Space 9 and Voyager in the rotation; The Next Generation and Enterprise have been played out. I wouldn’t mind seeing Babylon 5, Farscape or even The X-Files. Cable channel of my dreams, oh how you have let me down. I guess I will be watching my re-runs of Firefly and Stargate remembering the bygone days. Peace out my fellow SciFi geeks.

  47. orfeu
    May 28, 2011 at 8:24 am |

    Some shows go with a bang (Monk, DS9), others with a whisper (Star Trek New Generation, Jag, probably CSI and NCIS will do too). Some go out so bad that they compromise the entire show (Lost), but the only one I know of whose ending basically killed the franchise is BSG. I doubt many will be able to watch any spin-off (prequel or sequel) of that wreck without remembering that ending, and than the channel. Caprica’s ratings were the viewers apologizing for giving BSG such a great image.

    So what does this have to do the story? Well, nothing, just like this article has nothing to do with Stargate. Yes, Amanda is in Sanctuary, she produce it and, new stuff, directs some of the episodes. So what? Does Predator and Terminator have stuff in common because The Governor plays in them (please, not the comic books, not after all the bickering about the cannon of Stargate and stuff)?

    So Stargate will be back. We just have to make sure that the people with money will know that SGU is not Stargate (hell, it is not even Science Fiction) and be spared of that nonsense.

    SyFy does not have a monopoly on Science Fiction, not even on Stargate. It does not matter what they do. Their only fault is that they bought SGU, but it got back to them when they lost money. They didn’t even cancel the show, they just said they don’t want new episodes. The show canceled itself when MSG didn’t find other buyers. The whole world canceled the show.

    That being said, have a nice weekend. And too bad some people put the interest of the artists, those tortured writers with their tortured stories that put us to so much sleep, above the interest of the many that worked and made a living of that franchise. They must be really proud.

    PS: God, I will never forgive you guys for convincing me that SGU got better in the second half the the second season. If I could sue for false advertising, I would do that in a heart beat.

  48. Takamuri
    May 28, 2011 at 10:09 am |

    Can’t say I am surprised. I used to watch Sanctuary, but only because I watched SGU and saw the ads for it. Since SGU was closed out I honestly have no reason at all to tune into SyFy, I haven’t watched it once since the final episode of SGU.

  49. Atlantislov
    May 28, 2011 at 10:23 am |

    Remember when the fans of one life to live asked Oprah to save the show she did a video reply why she could not save the show, because it was not profitable to put on her network. This is the producers fault for making such an expensive show. They should have remembered what happen to firefly. It was a great show it just cost too much to make, and that is why no one would pick it up. Obviously they weren’t willing to budge on the price.

    Also you can’t take several seasons to get people into your show. You only get the first season. Well let me take that back you get the first season to pull in causal viewers who might be channel surfing, and pass by and see an episode. You have the first few minutes of the first episode to convince fans of the brand to stick around.

    I already know what you guys are going to say you have to give it time and they did when they stuck around for the entire first episode. That first episode didn’t have to be great it just had to show the people watching that this is something worth sticking around to watch.
    I’ll tell you what happen with SGU for me. I didn’t pull me in so I didn’t want to waste my time I had no trust in the producers, because after what they did to SGA. I knew that if they would have had another stargate show ready they would have let SGU get canceled gladly and would have pretended it never existed. Anyway back to the story I think what happen to SGU is what happen to Caprica. I was watching Caprica I found it to be boring I would fast forward through the poised trying to find something interesting, but didn’t then one day my player didn’t record the episode , and that was the start of me not missing it. In other words they probably missed an episode then they did like me. I asked themselves do I really care about this show, and they did like me came up with the answer no, and stop watching all together. I’m not a fan of the show, but I saw all the excuse that was given.

    From my wife won’t let me too I have another show that I watch on that night. Another show that would not be endanger of cancelation if you were to tune into SGU a show you knew was in danger to help it out. So that is my thoughts on that. As to what is going on with the network I think they have an agenda and they will use the SGU fans as an excuse just like I think the producers of Stargate use the SGA fans as to why the rating were down.

    Don’t be surprised if in the future when SYFY is not doing Sci Fi anymore and they say well it’s because of the way the SGU fans acted that we didn’t want to deal with Sci-Fi anymore.

  50. Atlantislov
    May 28, 2011 at 10:24 am |

    I ment to add at the beginning that I agee with you. Sorry.

  51. phoenix7
    May 28, 2011 at 11:30 am |

    SyFy is dead, period, and no amount of petitions or boycotts are going to change that, unless they come from Nielsen households. The only hope is for some investing group to create another scifi genre station…

  52. Rocky89
    May 28, 2011 at 12:26 pm |

    Since the day the move came up, many things have explained why this is a bad idea.

    1. MANY fans on Gateworld and on other sites expressed how bad this would be.
    2. The Gateworld homepage has a few articles on why Sanctuary belongs on Fri, and not any other day.
    3. Amanda herself tweeted 3 times in one night how she was unsure of the move.
    4. Syfy moved the show in such a SHORT period of time, giving very little advertising of the new day.
    5. The show moved in only 3 days, giving people little time to know about the move.
    6. Syfy paired Sanctuary with SGU, a dying show that’s already cancelled.
    7. More news articles hoping they’ll move back to Fri.
    8. The show has, like, no lead ins now.
    9. All fan promotion, tweets and RTing on twitter isn’t helping.
    10. 5 bad ratings episodes in a row, and ratings seem to be getting worse.

    Nothing, at all, not not one good thing has come out of this, and the only hope Sanctuary has is by moving it back to Fri. Sanctuary was very good and reliable in its slot, It got a consistent 1.5+ million viewers. So of course they move it in 3 days, and don’t really advertise the move, ALL this to try to save Urban Legends. Basically Sanctuary is running about almost what UL did in the Monday slot and UL is not getting what Sanctuary did. So SyFy is out that roughly 500,000 viewers.

  53. Browncoat1984
    May 28, 2011 at 2:48 pm |

    I don’t know about 5 bad episodes in a row. The last two have been really good and the first one since its return. The two Will-centric episodes were not good though (they shouldn’t have aired the two so close together).

    I think the more telling lesson to learn is that SyFy’s attempt to break into fall programming in general is an abject failure. SyFy needs to stick to a summer/winter schedule and here’s why: because in those time periods there are not as many new series running and people are looking for new stuff to watch, thus you get higher ratings. I bet Stargate Universe would have gotten more viewers had they aired it in the summer, even on Mondays and Tuesdays (perhaps they could have aired it with Eureka and Warehouse 13). The story would probably be different. The general problem is that during the fall and spring, there’s a lot more shows to keep up with, whether you like sci-fi or other stuff. I have at least 6-7 shows (its been reduced a bit due to recent cancelations of No Ordinary Faimly, V, Stargate Universe and Caprica) to keep up with during that time.

    The problem is that SyFy is trying to break out of its “niche cable channel” genre that its been in and its not going to happen. More casual programming isn’t really going to work well and a name change isn’t either. Its like Pattrick Stewart trying to distance himself from his sci-fi roles (Picard and Professor X) or Nimoy from Spock. Nimoy actually DID try to do that and it didn’t work for him and he accepted that. SyFy already has an image of being a provider (or former provider) of quality science fiction programming and by trying to break out of that niche they are only hurting themselves by alienating their loyal viewers. They won’t attract any, or too many more casual viewers because they’ll stick with the big networks that they’re comfortable with. When they are flipping through channels and see SyFy they’ll think “oh, its that geek channel! Nothing there for me to watch!” And the wrestling crowd I doubt will in the long run generate too many additional viewers either, as that crowd will probably remain loyal to wrestling and not care to bother much with anything else that SyFy airs.

    And might I add re: the name change. I had a friend who was doing a report on science fiction for a college class and her professor marked her down for mentioning SyFy saying “its sci-fi” and she had to explain to him the name change. So clearly the name change is a failure too that nobody likes (I have not met one person online or off who thinks that was a good move).

  54. Rocky89
    May 28, 2011 at 7:00 pm |


    I didn’t mean the episodes were bad, (they weren’t) I mean they were bad in the ratings. Normandy should/would have been a high rated episode, but Syfy took that away. :(

  55. Torch334
    May 28, 2011 at 9:15 pm |

    This is from the wiki on science fiction.

    A setting in the future, in alternative timelines, or in an historical past that contradicts known facts of history or the archaeological record
    A setting in outer space, on other worlds, or involving aliens[6]
    Stories that involve technology or scientific principles that contradict known laws of nature[7]
    Stories that involve discovery or application of new scientific principles, such as time travel or psionics, or new technology, such as nanotechnology, faster-than-light travel or robots, or of new and different political or social systems (e.g., a dystopia, or a situation where organized society has collapsed)[8]

    so warehouse 13 falls into SF category, I hate people who think SF is just outer space stuff,

    But anyway syfy has been failing for a long time, I have been there sense the beginning, remember when the channel was first announced to air sitting there as a kid watching the count down clock lol, shows my age…. But syfy is owned by a major network, Think it is NBC, though they did not always own it and the channel flourished back then, ever sense they took over it has been going down hill.. I like ghost hunters, But I am sure other channels would jump to have it, seen a few other paranormal shows that are hits on other channels… Right now can’t watch syfy channel because had to cut off my satellite subscription due to money trouble… So even though i am not watching all my fav shows please count me lol, But putting a show in a later time slot is dumb, 10PM people do work you know and not everyone has DVR. I will not boycott the channel in hopes they learn a few things and stop trying to compete with major networks. You also have channels like FX and the WG and their shows have done better than the named major network shows. The name change was also a bad idea and syfy will eventually not be a sci-fi channel anymore… R.I.P SYFY

  56. etirvan
    May 29, 2011 at 3:01 am |

    @ Ekras

    Uhm, no. Eureka is actually quite heavy sci-fi with it’s elements. Also, Warehouse 13 is sci-fi, as well. You simply CANNOT get much more sci-fi than Warehouse 13. The description of Alphas sounds like it is going to be heavy sci-fi, as well. You, apparently, have absolutely NO clue what sci-fi is.

  57. etirvan
    May 29, 2011 at 3:09 am |

    @ Ekras

    Since BOTH Warehouse 13 AND Alphas fit the very definition of sci-fi, they could be NOTHING but sci-fi. To classify them as ANYTHING else would be both literally and technically incorrect. They, as well as Eureka, are ALL heavy sci-fi. There is NOTHING light about their sci-fi elements.

  58. Hyncharas
    May 29, 2011 at 6:33 am |

    I don’t know when tv networks will get it through their heads that drama will NEVER compete with live tv but, after saying it for over a year, maybe that aforementioned word is the answer (or they just don’t care).

  59. kmac45
    May 29, 2011 at 8:17 am |

    I loved SGU and Stargate in general. I hate to see it go and can’t help but feel that it is dead as far as any new movie or show. mgm definitely sucks and syfy’s business decisions seem to be killing the rest of the scripted shows. stupid syfy and mgm.

  60. Ekras
    May 29, 2011 at 8:45 pm |

    What are you people smoking? Can I get some?

    W13 is PARANORMAL – except for their communications devices (which is essentially a de-glorified cellphone) there is almost ZERO science in it. Everything they are looking for is a “Magical artifact” – if it fit anywhere else, it would be in the Fantasy category.

    An Eureka, as I said is indeed Light scifi- light because most of the technologies they show are either real techs in development, or are “near-term” science. Granted thats my own term, but it’s defiantly not the same as most scifi.

    Alphas from what I’ve seen and read is in the Superheroes genre (same genre as Heroes, Smallville, etc.) which while having some scifi aspects, is defiantly classified differently. If it is cross-genre I’d say it’s Superhero/horror not Superhero/scifi.

  61. vapsman88
    May 30, 2011 at 1:57 am |

    Personally I think everything is going according to Siffy’s plans. Which is eliminate all scripted programming because it is too expensive compared to reality based programming. Monday is acknowledged to be the graveyard position for programs. I imagine W13 & Eureka aren’t long for this world either.

  62. vapsman88
    May 30, 2011 at 2:03 am |

    Also how are the numbers for viewers watching determined? I guess it is the Nielsen families which is so outdated and does not represent any decent cross section of viewers. Obviously if I watch or don’t watch it will not affect the numbers. In the era of social Networking isn’t there a more viable model for determining viewership?

  63. orfeu
    May 30, 2011 at 6:53 am |

    “Monday is acknowledged to be the graveyard position for programs”

    Oh comm on! When Fringe was moved to Friday, my God, it is the graveyard of …, but please move SGU back to Friday, where to OTHER SG shows did well. Now Monday is the graveyard bla bla bla. Tuesday is also an acknowledged graveyard. Thursday is pretty crowded too, if SyFy would move a show to Thursday, that will also be an acknowledged graveyard. Friday is also an acknowledged graveyard. Yet the only show on Wednesday I watch is Criminal Minds …

    Anyway, if a show is bad, any day is a graveyard. Yet for Sanctuary there is actually DVR numbers to back up the theory that people time shifted. But I didn’t like a lot of this season.

  64. jeffy_polla
    May 30, 2011 at 12:09 pm |

    I’m sure that SyFy will regret by having renewed
    Sanctuary for a fourth season.

  65. danielgirardqc
    May 30, 2011 at 2:26 pm |

    It was a good episode, I enjoyed seeing part of the past of Helene Magnus. But one thing kept coming back to mind: at the beginning of the series, John said it had taken him a century to find Magnus again and to get to know his daughter. They shouldn’t have met in this episode…

  66. aquaman
    May 31, 2011 at 3:09 am |

    Sad for Sanctuary, but hopefully a WAKE UP CALL for SyFy (seefee fi fo fum) properly Known as SCI FI Channel, that if you Do Not support Core Programming like SGU, BSG, etc etc, that we the viewing public will not watch ANYTHING you aire. EVERY. SyFy has lost me as a viewer and I will never ever watch anything on the channel for their duplicitious disregard for supporting SCI FI through the thick and thin. They bought SGU for 2 years and they made 2 years and they let the episodes sit on the shelf for months upon months before airing. The Proper way is to roll episodes off and air them within days of wrapping production on that episode, the 100 metre sprint, not the make it and let is collect 2 cm of dust before it is aired.

  67. GMarsack
    June 1, 2011 at 5:10 pm |

    As much as I hate to say it – and I enjoyed Sanctuary, I stopped watch SyFy due to the politics and crazy time shifting and formatting. Seriously, SyFy has lost their way and me as a viewer. LONG LIVE STARGATE!

  68. Browncoat1984
    June 2, 2011 at 2:13 am |

    I find it funny that I keep on hearing rumors about SyFy being interested in picking up canceled shows like V and The Event. Honestly, those shows got ratings comparable to SGU’s on big networks (they had more viewers, but for a big network those were rather low ratings). Why would SyFy cancel one low-rated series and pick up another one when they could just keep the established audience they already have and keep SGU? Not to mention that there’s no guarantee such a move would be successful. It could loose even MORE viewers due to people not aware that it jumped networks.

  69. dee
    June 2, 2011 at 3:35 am |

    Can sombody tell me how dose the rateing people really know when Im watching the Syfy channel on Directv? I do not get any survey calls or such. Do they just get it from the sat/able box? If they realy knew if Im watching, then they would know the only time I watch syfy is only to watch Sanctuary.

  70. dee
    June 2, 2011 at 3:38 am |

    Is it me or dose it sounds like this new Alhpa show on syfy is aneither ripp off of Sanctuary/x-men.

  71. silurian
    June 3, 2011 at 4:25 am |

    I’m curious what you people actually expect SyFy to do, they can’t exactly but every single show they own on Friday nights and leave the other six nights empty. I’m sure they pair the shows they believe have the best chance with their highest rating content which is the wrestling. Whether you or I like it not, the fact is that it’s the wrestling rates for them. SyFy is business and they cannot be expected to make decisions based on anything but making the most profit for their parent company and the shareholders. FCOL stop taking it personally.

  72. Torch334
    June 3, 2011 at 12:51 pm |

    @ Ekras

    Sci-Fi is anything to do with technology or the development of new tech.. Most sci-fi is based on things that are possible. WH 13 is sci-fi for the fact that most of the items were invented, They were not cursed or magical in origin. The show has time travel, The bronze machine. Everything on the show was invented using science. Eureka is scifi as well, Does not matter if it is in development for real or not.

    Ghost hunters is more reality than paranormal, There is no real scientific fact that ghost are real. But they do use science to try to prove it.

    Most scifi is based on real things.. Robots.. we have them though they are not as advanced as say BSG but we are getting there everything you see in scifi shows or books has been theorized by someone or is already in development.
    120 years ago airplanes. T.V., Cellphones, Lights and many other things we take for granted today were considered scifi but a lot of it was in development back then.

    I hated to see SGU canceled, Think it could have made it another season or so to give it a proper ending instead of a rushed one. At least sanctuary has another season to wrap things up if they decide to cancel it. Understand why caprica was canceled, was a good show but they dragged it out, almost like they were not sure what direction to go in which lost a lot of people and they lost interest in the show.

    Speaking of syfy picking up V and the event, That is a hit and miss there. I loved both shows and they may do better on syfy.. Look at Merlin, It was moved from a main network channel to syfy because they hoped it would do better on syfy and it did. I am hooked on the show and never saw the first season. started watching it when it moved to syfy for it’s second season.

    @ silurian

    No matter what night they put wrestling on it would do well, What people are concerned about is the move away from scifi by the channel, If scifi shows do not do well on syfy then other networks will be reluctant to pick new ones up.

  73. Jim
    June 6, 2011 at 1:19 am |

    I know,we should invent another,one more day in a week.You know,since all of the existing ones are graveyards of tv shows.

  74. Seaco
    June 6, 2011 at 2:59 pm |

    first: the daughter’s of the amanda taping substitute, she should leave out of the it serializes with absolute urgency;

    second: The amanda taping is a super charismatic actress, but…not for the central paper;

    third: lack themes that they are solved in 3 to 5 episodes, or else, it is very simplistic and even infantile;

    room: they are imitating a lot of thing of SG1 and SGA, happily, they didn’t imitate SGU;

    fifth: she lacks a combination of x-men, with the tremendous creativity of the it serializes “ENTERPRISE”, that she happened before day in “Kirk’s” stars;

    sixth: happily, they brought of turn the vampire…but still lack the “jack Estripador”, or else it will be that water with sugar and it doesn’t pass of that season!

    Important: I like a lot of you serialize of fiction, and I make that comment because I care that serializes has her it sucecsso! My impressions on SGU, after attending the 3° episode of the it serializes, they allowed to do me a projection for only 2 seasons, and it was what happened!

    I attend fiction to 40 years, and I am Analyst of systems and organization technician and methods!!

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