179 Responses

  1. nehoruss
    May 16, 2011 at 6:19 am |

    Great artical Dazza, RIP Stargate.

  2. knowles2
    May 16, 2011 at 6:26 am |

    I do like the way Joe Mallozi pulls not puncheshes.

    I wonder if we will get a reply from the studios, as Joe as just basically called them a bunch of lieers,especially on the issue of Syfy paying for two season upfront. Which Joe said they did not.

  3. wraithkelso
    May 16, 2011 at 6:40 am |

    I’m curious if Craig saw this coming… I doubt he did, but this just hurts the Syfy pr even more. Wow. At least we got conformation from Joe Mallozzi that we aren’t crazy and that, in fact, it is Syfy who is crazy. I also find it interesting that he is the only Stargate producer that is still doing posts for the fans. I would have thought Brad Wright or Robert Cooper would have brought done an interview about it. Brad didn’t even want to tell fans where he intended to take the shows/movies.

  4. grif
    May 16, 2011 at 6:52 am |

    i hate it when mom and dad fight.

  5. Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
    May 16, 2011 at 6:54 am |

    The “but no one used DVR when SGA aired” thing doesn’t work here because the Syfy guy quoted live + 7 ratings.

  6. Noldor
    May 16, 2011 at 7:48 am |

    I can`t help wondering… If i got this rigth, doesn`t MGM own Stargate? And do they not care if the planned storyline of the movies/series are told to the public? In that case, all hope for more stargate is now gone forever.

  7. Lee_Machine
    May 16, 2011 at 7:55 am |


    You have also got to remember the erosion in conventional TV viewership overall. Less people are watching less live or even DVR’d content; especially SciFi fans. More of us have gone to getting it on iTunes. I personally have not lived in the US for over three years (Japan) but that is where I get mine. I could just torrent it but I prefer to support the show so I purchased the season pass. I am what you would call a cable cutter but I spend more on television content then most people that do have cable. This is quite common.

    The reason I make this point is both SyFy and MGM are making a HUGE mistake by not using both the number of people getting the show online, and even include torrent downloaders because many of them live in countries where they cannot legally get the show. (I have a US credit card).

    Also they should better use new media such as Twitter. Go to Twitter right now, and search SGU. You will have a hard time finding anyone happy to see the show gone.

    Alas, we are in a transitional point for delivering content, and killing the old ad model, but its a big business run by men and women that are afraid of change, but change will come but too late for SGU and the other Stargate movies :(

  8. Lee_Machine
    May 16, 2011 at 7:59 am |


    Yeah JM will probably get some crap for responding to some of the unfair BS points, but I respect him for doing so.

  9. psw
    May 16, 2011 at 8:01 am |

    So again someone is only blaming outside influences for SGU’s demise. He is not even considering, that SGU itself may not have been perfect. That some people simply didn’t watch it, because they didn’t like it.

    It is quite simple. Brad Wright was wrong, when he said this:


    “…fortunately there are enough viewers and reviewers who think ‘SGU’ is neither boring, poorly plotted, or sexist to keep us on the air long after ‘V’ is just a letter in the alphabet again.”

    There weren’t “enough viewers”, who thought that SGU was worth watching.

    The ratings went down dramatically in the UK and Germany, too. It is not like SGU was only unsuccessful on Syfy.

  10. lopo30
    May 16, 2011 at 8:07 am |

    downloads stay everywhere the same cause people who dont have the channel and so on will always download series cause they dont care to wait years when they got to see it on there tv channels and tbh there is no quarente that they get to see these tv shows on there tv channels to
    they really need to find new ways to show people scifi genre and dont tepend only whats coing on in us
    SYFY channel does not have the audiance to have great raitings for any show and that is a fact if you all look the raitins everyshow on syfy expect wresling what looks like have the best raitings in there

  11. psw
    May 16, 2011 at 8:07 am |

    @ Lee_Machine

    Here is a statistic: “Time spent per day watching TV 1988 – 2009”.


    It seems people are watching more TV today than in the past.

  12. Lee_Machine
    May 16, 2011 at 8:11 am |

    It’s true season 1 and even a couple in the beginning of season 2 were not the best moments in SciFi. No where near the worst, but not the best. Sometime it takes a show a season or two to get into the groove.

    Use Fringe as an example. Season 1 was ok, very x-files clone, but season two get MUCH better in the latter half, and then this past season 3 was just some of the greatest SciFi ever! See Fox learned their lesson from the whole Firefly debacle. So they let the show grow, and now it’s one of the best SciFi shows ever.

    SGU would have been the same way, season 3+ would have been EPIC, if they just gave it a chance. Just like how the viewers of Fringe dropped they all plus more came back during season 3. The same thing would (might) have occurred with SGU. Go back and re-watch season 1-2 of SG-1 :P

  13. Lee_Machine
    May 16, 2011 at 8:33 am |

    Yeah, but the US population has also dramatically increased. In 1988 it was 244,498,982, and in 2011, it is 311,363,364. Taking the number of TV owners and the change into consideration in 1988, 241,809,498 owned TV’s, and in 2011 301,088,372 own TV’s. With a difference of 59,278,874 TV’s. Not all of these TV’s have cable therefore access the the SyFy channel. Also, American housewives are not the typical demographic for Stargate.

    Thanks for the link though. Tom Merritt was talking about the drop of TV owners is his podcast Frame Rate. It’s attributed to new college kids and younger people just using computers to watch TV content.

  14. psw
    May 16, 2011 at 8:37 am |

    I like season 1 and 2 of SG1. They are much more entertaining than SGU. And they obviously were also more successful. Otherwise season 3-10 and the two SG1 movies wouldn’t exist.

  15. ace_love
    May 16, 2011 at 8:45 am |

    I still say it’s unfair, 2 full seasons is plenty of time to give a brand new show its footing, they should of decided after the end of season 2 whether or not to cancel.. Technically they gave SG:U 1.5 seasons, thats no where near enough IMHO

  16. psw
    May 16, 2011 at 8:48 am |

    Men, teens and children are also watching more TV now! And look just at the last few years. There is a quite steady rise since 2003. People aren’t abandoning their TVs like Mallozzi said.

    And by the way a bigger population means more potential viewers. So if there were more people living in the USA during SGU’s airing than in the years before, it should have been easier for SGU to get more viewers than SGA/SG1.

  17. rsanchez1
    May 16, 2011 at 9:29 am |

    Thanks for telling it as it is, Joe, and not making up excuses like Syfy.

  18. Rivyn
    May 16, 2011 at 9:46 am |

    As much as I hate SyFy right now – and not just for cancelling some damn good shows but that certainly is a factor – lets not forget the real menace that cause SGU’s downfall; the infamous and outdated Nelsen’s Ratings!

    In this day and age of recorded tv shows, time delayed viewing and interenet sharing – no matter how illegal – these ratings don’t matter and its STUPID.

    We can attack SyFy all we like but we’re never going to see any progress until the Nelsen Rating system is overhauled for the modern age or done away with completely.

    And its funny really. The Nelsen Ratings, from what I understand are there for one simple thing, and its not to judge the viability of a tv show, its so investors can get their comercials and s**t on tv and sell their products, and they fail to notice that, ironically the overload of comercials we are subjected to are the reason people turn to recording, time delayed and downloading, so they dont HAVE to sit through all that shit that takes more time to get through than the show!

    So again, we can blame and hate SyFy as much as we want – and I encourage that – but we’re not going to get anywhere until we start attacking the real source of the problem.

    Nelsen Ratings

  19. Briangate78
    May 16, 2011 at 9:56 am |


    As much as I respect Joe M, he is making excuses. The show had the viewers in the beginning, people gave it a shot, they dropped the show. It basically implies that Syfy did their job promoting the show since it debuted with very good numbers. It is up to the show to keep those viewers.

  20. Treeline
    May 16, 2011 at 9:57 am |

    I wonder if Netflix could do anything for SGU or Stargate in general. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-20062943-93.html

  21. AsFarAsLarry
    May 16, 2011 at 10:10 am |

    Just when genre shows started to get funded better and the technology cheaper, along come cable companies and the DVR. While scratching my head at how ‘free television’ costs me $120/mo, the last thing I want to do is give anyone the satisfaction of actually ‘watching’ a commercial, which was supposed to be the activity that paid for the free TV … and my trusty DVR lets me do just that.

    Except advertisers are bailing, so scripted TV is dying, and we now have Snookie (which, while I don’t claim to be a biblical scholar, I’m pretty sure is one of the signs of the apocalypse).

    So that leaves my Kindle and books, which is fine, I haven’t been reading as much as I used to.

    Now, if I ever see an advertisement for Tide disguised as a fake fictional short story in a copy of Analog on my Kindle, you can bet I’ll be looking for someone to start killing trees again and pressing ink in them.

  22. Jim
    May 16, 2011 at 10:32 am |

    @Jedi_Master_Bra’tac First thing,nowdays even +7 doesn’t mean much and second,you forget downloading that he JM mentioned.

    In the end SyFy’s been caught with their pants down once again,but that’s just another trivial thing among many..after all SyFy has become just a trivial phenomenon by now.And that ultimately is a sad part,sad thing.
    The fact is that SF fans don’t have a tv channel oriented and focused on them and content they like anymore.
    And it IS every channel’s legitimate right to do what they think is best for their business,regardless of their decision being right,or completely wrong.But still a decent thing,and we’re talking about the most basic human decency,would be to at least be honest of your intentions,especially toward people who’ve had been your biggest,most loyal fans from the very start and through the entire run in good times and bad,supporting you,bringing you the numbers necessary for you to become interesting enough to a larger number of and more important sponsors,firms,businesses,brands..interested in marketing through your channel.
    If you’ve calculated that it’d be more profitable for you to break away and even go pretty far to set yourself apart from SF,ok..it IS your right,but it’s NOT a right thing to do,a decent thing to do to lie and try to play your original and true fans,who basically made you,put you in a place where you CAN even begin to contemplate such options,many of them quite dubiouse and dishonest,by as I said playing those same fans,trying to sell them on a lie in order to keep them on board,while attempting to bring new,potentially larger audience at the same time!
    How? By wrapping something else in a vaguely SF paper,making a form and real substance completely different!
    That is completely legal and to a degree legitimate,but quite simply morally wrong and definitely unfair,not a bona fide move as well as hurtful to mentioned fans.

    But all those other facts aside..fans being so arrogantly lied to,having those lies additionally pushed in their faces,hurt,betrayed,insulted,made fools out of,etc,etc…all that aside,ultimatelly I go back to what I said first..this is just plain and simple a sad moment in time for any fan of a genre-sci-fi/fantasy,because we’ve lost one constant,one “shelter” so to say,where we had everything we hold so dear all in one place.Place that regardless of a bitter end and an ugly break up,gave all of us so much “magic”,fantasy,action,adventure,amazing,fantastic,original concepts and all around so much pleasure in the “good old days”! So R.I.P. SciFi Channel!

    It will be hard to fill your shoes,but in the words of the great maker himself JMS…Faith Manages!

  23. ForceGhost
    May 16, 2011 at 10:45 am |

    @Lee_Machine I registered simply to put forth my utter disbelief that you actually would suggest a major television network use the number of ILLEGAL torrent downloads as a ratings indicator. They make absolutely no matter from torrent downloads. Also, more people are watching television live today than they did 5, 10, 20 years ago. As well, the numbers quoted by Craig Englar were Live + 7. I can only see one point you made as valid, but iTunes sales in the world of television make so little difference that it probably wasn’t worth mentioning them. I loved SGU. Upon hearing the news of its cancellation, I was devastated. So many years of my life devoted to the Stargate franchise; I wished it would never end. Alas, this isn’t “real” TV. It’s science fiction. We all knew deep down in our hearts it would end like this. The change in direction, the BSG-meets-Voyager allegations, the fact that there were only 3 enemies over the course of 2 seasons. It’s doesn’t make for exciting television unless you’re already a die-hard fan. Unfortunately, most of those so-called fans had made their minds up about the third series long before it had premiered. Those same fans are now weeping over its demise. I think Cinderella (the band, not the fairy tale character) said it best…

  24. Jim
    May 16, 2011 at 11:02 am |

    @psw Yeah people maybe watching more tv nowdays,but you forget one “small” fact that was Joe’s point in the first place and that you definitely should be aware of if you live in the US…they watch tv on their own terms,in their own time of their choosing.
    They most definitely sit less live in front of their tv sets waiting for their favorite tv show to begin.
    I mean that kind of behaviour started dying out with VHS 30 years ago and by now it’s almost non-existant.
    Joe is absolutely right,the media world is rapidly changing and has already changed A LOT! That is a process that’s here and it’s unavoidable,whether you want to admit it to yourself,or not and all TV networks,broadcasters will absolutely have to adapt to it.Those who do it sooner will be better off,it’s the most basic logic regarding every change.

    AS I said SGU is just a symptom of a more serious disease.
    Some networks are adapting to the change faster than others,it is always like that and it depends on many factors on those networks.But SyFy that should be leading,be in front,an avangarde in it,instead completely went backwards..that’s the problem,Joe is really only stating the obvious.
    Such an obvious thing that I honestly find it incredibly hard to believe there are still people out there that do not see that!

  25. Jim
    May 16, 2011 at 11:05 am |

    @AsFarAsLarry LOL,man!!!!

  26. meo3000
    May 16, 2011 at 11:05 am |

    Mallozi can redirect the blame all he wants, the show lost 1.8 million viewers overall. Those people were interested and wanted the show to be good but gave up when they realized it wasn’t. After the first half of season one, the production knew they had to make changes but was too late when they finally did. They thought they were golden only to be brought down by their arrogance.

  27. blackcat124gt
    May 16, 2011 at 11:32 am |

    Yeah they did do a great job of promoting the first season, but correct me if I’m wrong but most of the second season’s promoting was kind of poor. I saw that they were mainly putting the season 2 trailers during airings of SGU, SG-1, and SGA. Then there were a few other channels at really random times and most of the times I know they were reruns. So season 2 really didn’t get the promotion that it deserved.

  28. Jim
    May 16, 2011 at 12:04 pm |

    At the time they decided to write off SGU,it stil had around 2 mil viewers on average,Engler’s words.
    So yeah,later on they did lose viewers,only the answer to the question why that happened is not quite as simple as some people think.
    Maybe the SyFy’s decision to write off SGA and then later on to write off SGU played a “little” role in the theater of losing viewers?(mishandling of the show on every possible level)
    The writing is on the wall,they aren’t even trying to hide it,come on!
    And the first half of season one is too late!?Yeah right!
    And the showrunners did make changes,but the show was then moved to a killer timeslot!
    And the mishandling and bad programming started from the very beginning.putting them in the fall,instead of the traditional stargate summer slot!
    And so on and so on! And if SGU isn’t enough other shows and their handling proves beyond a shaddow of a doubt what’s going on.
    I’m not saying that SGU was perfect,but the facts of the SyFy’s new program and the mishandling of remaining SF shows are out there,just as is a complete denial of any blame whatsoever by SyFy which is simply an obvious lie.
    That sure as hell tells something.
    Tells a lot!
    And if they thought they were golden,that’s because they were..millions off stargate fans are proof of that,those that got mad for canceling SGA and various other reasons should get their facts straight and direct their anger at the party that really was guilty for it.
    Also talking about golden,they were a golden guse of SciFi Channel for ten years,until new managament changed the name,the strategy and decided to write off science fiction all together!
    All of this is not a speculation ,it is a fact and can easily be seen by turning on that channel and by their decisions in the past couple of years!
    If they move wrestling that shouldn’t be there at all,to any other day and create new,original,scripted,quality SF shows and put them where they belong,I’ll be proven wrong.Unfortunately there are no indications whatsoever of any of that happening!
    One last thing;the number,the large majority of people who told that SyFy Channel is histoty to them is telling enough in it’s own right.

  29. ace_love
    May 16, 2011 at 12:05 pm |

    SyFy have resorted to banning international fans from posting comments on their wall.. Talk about crapping on a fan base!

  30. tb1342
    May 16, 2011 at 12:06 pm |

    Loved the show, and bet more would have as well with the summer slot…but none of that matters anymore

  31. ace_love
    May 16, 2011 at 12:12 pm |

    Theres a lot of talk and people campaigning to Netflix to pick up SG:U, apparently they’re creating their own original shows.. I say iTunes should, they have the biggest consumer base, fully international.. Why not have their own original shows? They have Apple TV ffs :)

  32. Jim
    May 16, 2011 at 12:15 pm |

    Exactly,they did lose viewers,but the answer to the question why that happened is not quite as simple as some people think.
    Also at the time they’d already decided to write SGU off,it still had solid numbers,so maybe the decision to write off Atlantis and then later on SGU too,after giving it only half a season chance,come on!Doesn’t that tell a different story,or to be more precise tells a story about reason for cancelations in a different order!?Like channel’s decision to write those shows off and subsequent mishandling of everything SF,after it’d changed name playing some role in losing viewers?
    In the end the remains of SF shows and it’s handling right now still,plus the entire programming scheme is a completely clear writing on the wall,they aren’t even denying it!
    Those are all facts,not a speculation.

  33. Browncoat1984
    May 16, 2011 at 12:29 pm |

    The problem is SyFy is still acting like its 2005 and if they keep on doing this more shows will get canceled. V and No Ordinary Family were both canceled as well and No Ordinary Family was one of the highest rated genre shows, even though it didn’t get great ratings.

    As far as getting SGU picked up by like Netflix, there’s a problem. If you look on the Internet there’s like 10 different “save SGU campaigns” there’s no unity among the save SGU groups. There needs to be unity for this to work, and the “haters” need to tone it down a bit. Not saying they have to like it, but they can at least admit that there ARE people who do.

  34. tb1342
    May 16, 2011 at 1:20 pm |

    Mallozzi is basically saying the franchise is dead…all the dumping of story lines and conclusions they held so close have been released…So to get our Gate fix we may have to resort to paperback…but I can not make any sense of what is out there…many books written by many authors with no apparent continuity beyond “Stargate Characters” Darren maybe you guys could shift a little focus to the literary side while we sit in the emptiness between galaxies…I for one would like to see a serialized official novel to finish things out…

  35. janet99
    May 16, 2011 at 1:24 pm |

    Syfy need to stop lying to fans and just admit the obvious truth:

    It’s a lot easier to make money peddling brainless shows like wrestling and vampire/ghost/comic shows rather intelligent science-rooted Sci-fi shows like Stargate, Farscape, Caprica, Star Trek etc.

    It’s the brainless who spend their lives sat in front of a TV and NBC saw it as obvious that they could make more cash by having yet another channel for the brainless.

  36. 3531767
    May 16, 2011 at 1:46 pm |

    Just boycott syfy

  37. tb1342
    May 16, 2011 at 1:57 pm |

    I already have boycotted SyFy…I have not watched a single show since the last SGU…I also deleted WH13, Eureka and Sanctuary from my DVR…now I will never be tempted to get drawn into a show they offer…

  38. blackhawlk
    May 16, 2011 at 1:59 pm |

    So now anyone who didn’t appreciate the awesomeness of SGU is brainless!. Can we add that to the growing list of excuses. DVR usage hasn’t changed that much since SGA aired and downloading has always been high, but yet SGA still managed to obtain higher ratings than SGU.

    Viewers tend to watch their favourite shows live if they can and DVR the ones that they don’t like as much. SGU wasn’t even achieving high DRV numbers towards the end, so why did so many stop watching. Why did over 1 million viewers who had tuned into SGU on a friday night stop watching. How was that Syfy’s fault.

    Those viewers stopped watching because they found something more interesting to watch, or something that appealed more, again how is that the fault of Syfy. They didn’t suddenly all decide to download or watch on itunes. Viewers, particulary overseas viewers have always downloaded and there’s also been a percentage that have DVR’d. SGU only aired one year after SGA, things havn’t really changed. JM is once again grasping at straws and trying to deflect blame onto anything but the show itself.

  39. Browncoat1984
    May 16, 2011 at 2:15 pm |

    While I love SGU and am upset over the cancellation, I’m certainly not going to let that impede my enjoyment of SyFy shows I already watch like Eureka and Warehouse 13. I CAN, however, make a pact with myself to no longer watch any new programs on SyFy.

  40. mythos
    May 16, 2011 at 2:22 pm |

    Nielsen avoids choosing people whom only watch tv online and via dvr..so the people they base their statistics off of are not people whom dvr everything and download everything else…ergo, there’s no basis whatsoever in the idea that the estimated number of viewers has dropped because of these factors. The share points, perhaps, but not the estimated number of viewers. Those are determined by people whom are parked in front of the tv most of the time during prime-time television. Why? Because these are the factors that matter to the advertising game that is the reason for ratings to exist. So yes, these may be factors in measuring the actual number of people watching…but not so much in the Nielsen ratings. The bottom line truly is that it just didn’t appeal to as wide of an audience. And the reasons for it are pretty obvious and have been mentioned here before. Families aren’t sitting down to watch SGU. It was those people whom gave the previous 2 shows the success that they had. They took a franchise that was watched by X group and then turned it upside down for a new show that was aimed at Y group. Y group was unfamiliar and X group was unhappy…not exactly rocket science here. There are a myriad of things they could have done to make it work but they didn’t do those things. So it is what it is.

  41. orfeu
    May 16, 2011 at 2:29 pm |

    Gateworld is a great place, or used to be before SGU. There are some great articles from when SGU was in development and then promoted. They even acknowledge that SyFy never did that level of promotion for any previous SG. Yet each article also has comments that question the premise of the show. It seams many viewers knew it will not work.

    I remember some Syfy exec something saying that SG needs to grow up. He was referring to BSG. Than BW said that BSG was serious TV, SGU will also be serious TV. It was obvious they were turning their back to the geek fandom. They wanted to be mainstream.

    So we got SGU. It was not Stargate and it was not Sci Fy. Yes, it had a stargate in it, a space ship, time travel (Supernatural has them too), but it was a soap opera. Let me put it this way: “Fast and Furious” and “Borne’s Identity” both have high speed chases and, obviously, cars in them. Yet, for some strange reason, people seem to be able to say that one is about racing, the other about spies. Yes, some people are strange like that, oh no!, that’s most of them …

    But here are people that, even after Ronald Moore said that Caprica was designed as a soap opera from the beginning, they say that even if he says so, it doesn’t mean it is so. So why the guy from SyFy even bothered to say something, I don’t know. They got what they wanted: a serious show (and decreasing ratings).

    In the end the show was bad. People gave it a chance and never returned. Even after all the guerilla advertising, tones of positive comments on imdb, a tour of the crew and so on, no one found the energy to get back to it. IMHO, the second season wasn’t that good either.

    I just wanted to say that because I fell for this “it got awesome in 2.5” No, it didn’t. It was a bad show from start to finish.

    I’m really sorry for the guys at Gateworld. They put a lot of work and love into this site. Too bad, but thats life.

  42. Gate_Fan
    May 16, 2011 at 2:37 pm |

    Agree with everthing he said there. How can these networks seriously expect to get the viewership they got ten years ago? It’s not going to happen!

  43. tb1342
    May 16, 2011 at 3:33 pm |

    Why is it the same 3 people commenting over and over how much the rest of us didn’t like SGU..or that we are calling them morons? I like all three shows, own all the DVD’s and Movies…Now we have nothing…IF SGU was carried in the same time slots/Season (IE Summer) as SG-1 AND SGA and did not carry the numbers then maybe I might except your hypothesis that I was a minority in liking the show…but since it was not, and will not be…your constant page length editorial on how much it stunk will remain a theory with no basis in fact…I am furious at the whole lot MGM and SyFy…But SyFy bares the brunt and this is not the first, second or third time they have walked away for quality shows….and may they have the same fate as MTV, that has no more Music Television Videos…sidelined by irrelevance to the audience that made them…Now My Attention is focused on BBC with Supernatural Saturday and the fantastic Hype they have done in Marketing….

  44. sokarpl
    May 16, 2011 at 3:36 pm |

    I’m not angry for SGU cancel, but for destroying SG franchise, it was very emotional afte watchingr10 years SG-1 and 5 years SGA. I was true fan, i always was watching Stargate in TV, bought every DVD edition, and what i got from you? The End of SGU which was not properly finished. You should finish it with mini TV movie – it’s the only thing that you can do to give viewers some respect after so many years. http://facebook.com/savesgu

  45. Lee_Machine
    May 16, 2011 at 4:27 pm |


    Why? They are fans just like you and I, but cannot get the show any other way. If there was a legal convenient option most of them would go that route, but they cannot. So put the show up at MGM.com and charge for it. Don’t put up geographical borders for who can and cannot pay/watch it.

    Are you a Dr Who fan? How did you get the newest Dr Who before they started airing it on BBC America the same day as BBC in England?

    Just because they are getting it via torrents does not mean they are not very potential paying customers.

  46. wraithkelso
    May 16, 2011 at 4:47 pm |

    What I’m noticing the SGU haters fail to recognize is that SGA and SG1 always were SUMMER show and did great in the summer. Then Syfy took SGU, which as Mallozzi pointed out was originally slated to be a SUMMER premiere, where there is much LESS COMPETITION, and they decided to be experimental and premiere a Brand New series in the FALL, where it had much MORE COMPETITION on the BIG networks.

  47. Duneknight
    May 16, 2011 at 5:01 pm |

    “television viewing habits” might change over time but when a good show that people like is on, they do watch it live.

  48. blistna
    May 16, 2011 at 5:34 pm |

    Something ppl must remember is … SyFy dos not get money from Hulu, iTunes or illegal downloads. However, I do agree SyFy did not. Consider the move from summer to fall hurt stargate universe. That was a bad choice.

  49. Slayme
    May 16, 2011 at 5:35 pm |

    Hello again everyone. I haven’t posted in a while because I’ve been reading posts, and there certainly have been many of them lately. :D

    I have seen quite a few new posters on here so it’s time I resurrected some links I had posted months ago regarding (sigh) Nielsen ratings. Many people continue to believe that Nielsen ratings are truly representative of ACTUAL viewership and that the ratings clearly and ACCURATELY show that SGU didn’t have a large enough viewer base, in the US, to support it. I believe this to be patently wrong.

    Here’s why:

    In 1950 Nielsen Media Research developed a ratings system for TV using methods developed for RADIO (paraphrasing Wikipedia somewhat here). In 1950 there were approximately 5 million households in the US with television. See here for 1951-55.
    […] http://blogs.library.jhu.edu/wordpress/?p=60 […]

    Nielsen started with 5000 of their nifty People meter set top boxes, and quickly expanded to 25000 boxes by the 60’s. That’s where they stopped, and where they stand today. Do the math: the number of meters increased 5X and the number of US TV households has increased, to date, more than 22X! See where accuracy of their sampling system MIGHT just drop off the deep end and out of sight?

    Here is an article from 17/Sept/10 that I posted here months ago.
    […] http://io9.com/5636210/how-the-nielsen-tv-ratings-work–and-what-could-replace-them […]
    This is an article from 31/Jan/11.
    […] http://splitsider.com/2011/01/why-nielsen-ratings-are-inaccurate-and-why-theyll-stay-that-way […]

    As the articles point out Nielsen is a monopoly, and as such EVERYONE must use them. Another point is that as far as networks including the big three (ABC, CBS, NBC) and the Advertisers who provide the lions’ share of the money to make TV shows are concerned, the US is the only country in TV land that matters. Furthermore, so called “live” viewers are the ONLY viewers that matter to advertisers because they are the ones that “must” watch the commercials (who would take a bathroom break, get a snack or push the mute button when there are commercials to be viewed? (add sarcastic tone here)).

    Finally, here is the Nielsen ratings article from Wikipedia.
    […] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_ratings […]

  50. wraithkelso
    May 16, 2011 at 5:38 pm |

    @duneknight not if they either A) don’t own a tv at all, B) on;y use their tv for video games and dvds (no cable hook up), or C) the noght doesn’t work for them, I for instance never have classes on fridays and have all day to watch tv, but Tuesday and Monday nights don’t work for me as good during the main school year.

  51. blistna
    May 16, 2011 at 5:39 pm |

    @ psw … Sg1 was going to be cancelled after season five but got picked up by syfy, and ShowTime doesn’t cafe about live viewings (of course back then, that wasn’t an issue). SGu was also in a different time slot.

  52. wraithkelso
    May 16, 2011 at 5:48 pm |

    @blistna I think you have a point, Showtime is a pay-per-view channel and from what I understand you can choose to buy that one channel and not get others such as cinemax and stars. Syfy on the other hand is bundled up with hundreds of other channels. I bet if people paid for each individual channel, Syfy would have kept SGU running, and by now they would truly realize their mistake because they would have lost subscriptions.

  53. Browncoat1984
    May 16, 2011 at 5:59 pm |

    Here’s the big problem here. SyFy says “there weren’t viewers” yet they never tried the whole summer/winter thing which many of us thought they would do after Caprica was canceled. From the beginning I always thought that it would be a mistake to air it in the fall on any night and I was proved right. What if they had aired it in the summer, established a bigger audience and THEN tried moving it?

  54. 128: TZ Discussion – Jason Advice Fail
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  55. StarFuryG7
    May 16, 2011 at 7:36 pm |

    Was STARZ ever considered as a potential home for SGU?

    Just wondering, because I think that would have been a great move.

  56. MacSmith
    May 16, 2011 at 7:37 pm |

    @ Jedi_Master_Bra’tac
    Oops! :D
    Nice catch.

  57. StarFuryG7
    May 16, 2011 at 7:38 pm |

    Reports have shown that DVR use has increased substantially since last year. So when you take a show like SGU, which would have been considered a decent enough performer with a 2.25 rating to warrant its renewal, those numbers, which would have been pretty common for a “Stargate” show just a few years ago, are no longer realistic given the advance of technology, and especially not in the winter-spring season where competition is a lot more fierce than during the summer.

  58. StarFuryG7
    May 16, 2011 at 7:42 pm |

    “Furthermore, so called ‘live’ viewers are the ONLY viewers that matter to advertisers because they are the ones that ‘must’ watch the commercials (who would take a bathroom break, get a snack or push the mute button when there are commercials to be viewed?” -Slayme

    Exactly –and this is really taking a toll on the industry as a whole at this point, because more and more people are time-shifting their viewing.

  59. Browncoat1984
    May 16, 2011 at 9:07 pm |

    It doesn’t help that commercials are becoming extremely irritating. It’s either fast food, some car that I don’t plan on buying or some drug that will help make us feel better (even though I feel fine). And its THE SAME commercials EVERY break on EVERY TV show. Either that or its just more advertisements for the network’s other shows, which they constantly overlay during the episode ANYWAY (which is also getting increasingly irritating).

    The only show I plan on watching live next season is Fringe to help support it. I just don’t have the time these days to watch all my shows live and waste 20 minutes sitting through commercials I’ve seen a dozen times over.

  60. 3531767
    May 16, 2011 at 9:28 pm |

    I feel sorry for sanctuary/amanda tapping, its the next show that will get axed by the buffoons at syfy. Shame, its a pretty good show .

    They syfy /mgm dont care about the fans they know in time all the anger /boycott talk will die down . Hopefully true fans will stay the course and continue to boycott and vent their feelings towards syfy channel.

  61. Slayme
    May 16, 2011 at 9:43 pm |

    @ Browncoat1984

    Quite right. Anyone with the means to skip commercials most likely will. Also, those who have multiple favorite shows occurring on one night will record them all so they don’t miss anything. For instance, I had 6 shows on Friday nights over the course of 4 hours (until the recent season/series finales).

  62. Slayme
    May 16, 2011 at 9:50 pm |

    @ 3531767

    As I mentioned in an earlier post in another thread, “Hello everyone. I’m here to tell you not to despair the potential end of Sanctuary. The SyFy channel is not entirely responsible for Sanctuary’s creation or continued well being. Read this article from SPACE here in Canada. This is a REAL science fiction channel.
    […] http://www.spacecast.com/article/SPACE-Orders-Fourth-Season-of-Original-Production-SANCTUARY […]

  63. spamme
    May 16, 2011 at 9:58 pm |

    When something is too expensive you ask for a lower price. Although with outdoor sets, and a very limited stage sets, I can’t see how this show was SOOOOOooooo expensive(someone was pocketing a big wad along the way). With everyone in stasis they could bring it back with a more limited cast with the rest in stasis. They could use the limited power and life support to restrict the sets even more. See if the ratings stabilize at an acceptable level for the price.

    So how are they measuring this Live +7 anyway?? Are they only counting their own official downloads, cause some tv stations only allow downloads if from the US. Seems to me most of the downloads aren’t being counted.

  64. buddyglenn
    May 16, 2011 at 9:58 pm |

    I understand the summer and regular season are a factor for ratings, as well as how we watch TV now. But, the simple fact is — SGU didn’t keep the viewers on Fridays. So, SyFy try to save the show by moving it to Tuesdays, where their successful programs are. Unfortunately, that didn’t save SGU or Caprica. The audience isn’t watching these shows, mostly likely due to plot, storyline, or theme.

    The current SyFy audience prefers the light-heartedness of Eureka and Warehouse. Look at Being Human, it had no trouble being a small hit for SyFy on Monday nights.

    Personally, I don’t think even in summer months SGU would do well. Even the reimagined Battlestar Galactica wasn’t that successful in the long run; it had cult status and was critically-praised because it was different than its 1970s predecessor. SGU failed because, sadly, the audience didn’t like it, regardless of intended quality.

  65. Jim
    May 16, 2011 at 10:15 pm |

    vmythos Once again what you say only proves that Nielsen is wrong.While they don’t cont the dvr’s as much,that absolutely does not mean that dvr-ing didnt cause the drop of numbers in live viewing.Why,because even ppl with boxes are recording shows,thus their live numbers are falling.
    It really isn’t that hard to understand.

  66. Jim
    May 16, 2011 at 10:23 pm |

    And Nielsen system hasn’t changed significantly enough since,well forever.They have not changed their profile of counted viewers and all of a sudden pick up just those who sit live in front of tv’s!!That is freaking absurd,when did that revolutionary change in Nielsen system occured!!?Jeez!So basically,while directly dvr-ing doesn’t affect Nielsen numbers,indirectly it affects them A LOT!! And it’s not just a real measure of real number of people watching,but is also an indirect,but very important factor in determining the Nielsen ratings.

  67. Orion2
    May 16, 2011 at 10:28 pm |

    Bring SGU back for a 3rd Season! End Of!

  68. Slayme
    May 16, 2011 at 10:31 pm |

    @ buddyglen

    You’re talking about ratings. Please read my earlier post, May 16 @ 5:35 pm, and the attached articles.

    Also understand that when “Live ratings” of say, 1,000,000 viewers are reported, all that means is that approximately 217 Nielsen households are watching that show (where 1 Nielsen household supposedly represents 4600 actual households based on 25,000 Nielsen households and a current value of approximately 115,000,000 US television households). The real number of watchers could be 1,000 or 10,000,000. Nielsen doesn’t REALLY know.

  69. spamme
    May 16, 2011 at 10:37 pm |

    I’d be ok with commercials playing within the download(torrent) program window, with check boxes to collect demographic info on who will watch it and how many.

  70. no carrier
    no carrier
    May 16, 2011 at 10:39 pm |

    I don’t think SyFy would ‘kill’ SGU and not want it to succeed. They invested money in it, and it would be in their best interest if the show succeeded. SyFy will only look at ‘their’ live+7 viewership to show to advertisers. In the end, advertisers pay the millions of dollars it costs to bring these shows to air. If the advertiser sees their advertisement will potentially only be seen by 2 million people instead of 4 million, they won’t pay as much to advertise their product. Likewise if they’re advertising something that is time sensitive (i.e. a big sale for example) then they don’t care about DVR viewership because by the time the viewer sees their advertisement—the sale is over. SyFy doesn’t care if your network outside of the U.S. has high viewership or if you downloaded it off the internet—because these viewers are not considered by their advertisers.

    As flawed as Neilson ratings are, they do represent a ‘baseline’ for viewership. Even if the number of millions of viewers is wrong, the percentage of viewership that has dropped is fairly accurate.

    There are a few serious problems here though. One is that SyFy didn’t allow the show to mature before giving it the axe. Another is giving it a fall schedule—sorry but as great as the show is, it won’t compete with NBC and CBS shows. Summer viewership is the bread and butter of Sci-Fi shows, they have shown to consistently perform better during this period.

    Last, why didn’t any of the other networks pitch in to help keep this series afloat? Space? Starz? A deal could have been brokered to keep this show alive, especially with the potential grow it has presented.

    When SGU was launched a lot of SGA viewers gave the show a chance and after 6 or so episodes began dropping off… and it slowed down. After the break something happened though—SGU found a new audience who were not previously SG fans, and picked up some of those SGA fans that came back after the show had some adjustments. It’s fairly obvious from the fan outcry all over the internet that SyFy did not handle this show very well. In the end, they really don’t care about us as fans though… it’s a trade off unfortunately. They lose us, but gain some new Sanctuary or Wrestling fans instead.

    These networks unfortunately are businesses and not very concerned about the quality of their programming. SyFy is behind the curve though. MTV stopped showing music videos, and they put heavy rotation on their high viewership shows. Viewership faded and now they’re back to a blend with some music videos. Discovery channel made the same mistake with their back to back to back American Chopper episodes… and now, back to a blend of the science stuff, and not-so-science stuff. I suspect SyFy will eventually do the same and settle into this blended programming to try to appeal to a wider audience. Unfortunately, Stargate fans will not be a part of this audience. And me in particular, well I already cancelled my TV package that included SyFy.

    I should also mention… is SyFy hosted the show on their website available to international viewers as well, and charged $2 to view an episode in HD. I’m sure they would have made good money AND upped their ‘viewership’ numbers to show to advertisers. (some of which would pay extra for an international audience). Too late for that now though.

  71. spamme
    May 16, 2011 at 10:44 pm |

    “”SGU failed because, sadly, the audience didn’t like it””

    I disagree. I tolerated Sg1, had a soft spot for SGA, I really really LIKE SGU. Anyone I’ve talked to agrees SGU was better than SG1/SGA

  72. Jim
    May 16, 2011 at 10:46 pm |

    @tb1342 No man we are in fact the majority and that is also the fact that can be seen here.But those three ppl you mention simply don’t recognize facts.Also have you noticed that most of them are identifying serious with bad and not scifi,as in campy is a measure of quality,lol!
    Space-opera isn’t the same as soap opera and BSG,Caprica And to a lesser extent SGU WERE not campy,but were in fact praised and criticaly aclaimed as cerebral and even a new standard in the quality of scifi shows,moreover shows in general.
    Same thing happened with Firefly and Farscape before that.The thing is I highly doubt that those three people would even understand significance and meaning of most of those shows events,relationships,synmolism,or quotes.That goes for SGU as well,only admitedly to a lesser extent.
    And saying that those kind of shows,that were all prematurely extinguished are mainstream,as opposed to SG-1 or Atlantis(and I love those too dearly,as well,only in a different way)is so hilariously absurd that no words can express the paradoy and absurdity of those claims.

  73. Slayme
    May 16, 2011 at 10:47 pm |

    @ Jim

    Save your breath friend. Just copy and paste the article links from my earlier, above posts and hopefully people will read them, grasp the sad and broken reality of the Nielsen system and let the truth sink in…

    The Nielsen system is not a rating system anymore but has become, in itself, a FANTASY show watched avidly every day by network and advertising execs!!! ;P

  74. buddyglenn
    May 16, 2011 at 11:14 pm |


    I understand what you are saying about ratings, but it is apples and oranges (I think that is the phase). SGU failed to gain a larger audiences during its run. It went down instead of up (even the recent Rodney McKay episode on SGU didn’t have the ratings everybody thought it would get). Why? I still think it was story and the darkness of the series (my opinion). SGU failed on Fridays for SyFy. Tuesday was their sincere hope that it would be do better.

    You and I are hard-core fans of Stargate. We live for the shows — that’s why we visit this website. The casual SyFy viewer didn’t like what they saw, so they didn’t watch it (heck, even some hardcore hated the show and some loved it). The one thing most people can agree on — SGA was shafted when it was cancelled, so quickly.

    At the end of the day, it wasn’t successful enough for SyFy to pay for and keep going. They gave it 40 episodes, not 2 airings like The Paul Rasier Show. The investment to continue wasn’t there; plus, NBCU didn’t own the show — MGM did. No syndication kickback. To any networks (while using Nielsen and other measurements), if a show fails to reach their ratings, the show is dropped. So many quality program didn’t make it because of ratings.

    Firefly (one of my favorite shows of all time) was a quality show, but ratings weren’t there. Sadly, Fox didn’t try the show in other days or time slots. Who knows what would have happen. At least, SyFy try to move SGU and it bombed for them. Honestly, SyFy wanted SGU to succeed, but it didn’t.

    On the other hand, the bosses at MGM has also decided to give the franchise a rest. So, this doesn’t help as well. :(

  75. Jim
    May 16, 2011 at 11:20 pm |

    @no carrier In answer to your good last question..no!just another example of,well shall we say a lack of vision.
    And the question why didn’t some other network buy off such a lucrative franchise as Stargate and continue producing SGU,I couldn’t explain it in detail,cause I’m not an expert,but from what I’ve heard and remembered from one producer it has to do with shared ownership between SyFy and MGM,with MGM itself on it’s own,with still exclusive viewing rights which still haven’t expired and were bought by SyFy that doesn’t want to let go(the natural greed for $$$)even though they canceled the new production.
    It’s the combination of all those things,plus many other details about how each one of the players involved,functions internally and externally busines-wise.What exactly are the systems of relations between their different departments;video/DVD,television/film…
    But it’s not for the lack of interest on part of some other tv networks.

  76. Jim
    May 16, 2011 at 11:31 pm |

    @Slayme Oh I am fully aware of those things and I applaude you for posting those links,but don’t really see the point of me copy/pasting them further..most of the people that don’t understand it now,still won’t understand it,some of them just don’t care about that part of the truth,some for whatever reason have their own interest in twisting it,but most are just sad and nothing like that will comfort them,but just make them more sad..so no point there anymore.
    But I do know what you’re saying and you’re right..I have already said,Nielsen may have been a rating system at the time of Dinasty and Dallas.

  77. erotavlas
    May 16, 2011 at 11:38 pm |

    you know syfy and mgm, instead of trashing the show because it didn’t bring in your expected quota of live viewrs, why don’t they realize the times are changing and try to cash in on alternative means of distributing the show that caters more to the newer generation rather than rely so heavily on a method that will soon enough suffer the same fate as the dinosaurs. Conventional TV is dying fast, get with the program!

  78. Christopher Parker
    Christopher Parker
    May 16, 2011 at 11:53 pm |

    What difference does it make if people set their DVRs to record SGU? It’s not like it negatively impacts viewership; we’re still watching the show, just not at the time Syfy has decided it’s convenient to have us watch it. If it weren’t for the DVR, I wouldn’t have gotten to watch SGU at all.

    SGU, by the way, was Syfy’s saving grace. Everything else on Syfy now is absolute garbage. With the cancellation of SGU, Syfy is now officially dead to me. Have fun with your professional wrestling, Syfy!

    I hate you capitalism. You ruin everything good.

  79. jcookjapan
    May 17, 2011 at 12:14 am |


    Stargate Universe on facebook, please like if you don’t want to see this show cancelled

  80. TollanTom36
    May 17, 2011 at 12:32 am |

    Please explain to me how the number of Neilson viewers is relavent? If ALL shows are judged on the same system, aren’t they all on equal footing? The answer is yes.

    In my opinion, the real problem here is that the show was too much of a soap where nothing was ever accomplished, the characters were hard to like, it was a ship-based show and not gate based, to dark and dismal to be “Stargate”, and there was very little mythology…if any at all.

    The show might have had a chance if they did not put Stargate in the title and pass it off as Stargate…just like Season 9 and 10. If they used a title like Stargate Command, then the expectations of the show are different. I didn’t care too much for 9 and 10 at the time, but now I think those 2 seasons have the most episodes that I rewatch.

  81. orfeu
    May 17, 2011 at 1:04 am |

    SGU was made to attract a younger audience. It was designed to appeal to more people, just read what the actor who played that Scott guy said in an answer to all the criticism.

    Now we must believe it was made for a more adult audience. Seeing that the age average for SGU was 45, we could say they succeeded. SyFy must be very pleased with this success.

    SGA and SG1, altough “summer shows”, aired the second parts of the season in winter. Reairs of SGA and SG1 on Syfy brought about the same viewers SGU brought in 2.5. I read somewhere ST Enterprise had almost the same numbers as SGU when paired on Tuesday.

    Nielsen is the game in town. Every show is designed for and plays by its rules. If BW, after all these years, didn’t know this, he has no business in showbis.

    Facts are: the show didn’t start well from the beginning, if you read the old articles from GW, many didn’t like the premises. Of those who give it a try, a lot didn’t stay. There was no increase in DVRs when the show moved to Tuesday, meaning people didn’t time shift. DVRs also fell. DVD sales weren’t good. Season 1 was behind SG1 and SGA on Amazon after a few weeks. I know Amazon is not the only game in town, but it is a big player and representative for that international market that you guys like to talk about. The show failed everywhere.

    And Jim, SG1 Season 1 is a very good season. Also most successful shows increase their audience and they also loose it when the story gets bad. SGU was just bad all the time. A lot of the successful shows get less chances than SGU got. Just look at the first season of Castle, Big Bang Theory, Buffy. They have 12-17 episodes to prove themself. SGU had 30-40 and they couldn’t. Those are again facts.

  82. EuroStarG
    May 17, 2011 at 1:29 am |

    (Long text continue down for a “To long to read” )

    Thing with the Neilsen system is that SyFy does air in country’s within Europe aswell, for example we got it in Netherlands in 99% of our basic packages with comercials specific for our regions. However SyFy based they’r cancellation entirely on the US market. And as others have said before, an outdated system that as far as im aware been ditched in europe due to how inaccurate it actualy is.

    Netherlands got roughly 16.6 million and pretty much al forms of tv includes Syfy-channel in the package. Meening they could have had a superior number (And most likely actualy had seeing the standard dutch channels generaly air junk) in NL alone then the ratings suggested they had for the US market.

    Why on earth even have theyr Channel airing outside U.S if it only will view the ratings of the US viewers? In my opinion its not fair game for any series cause what might not work in the US might work great in they’r european country’s.

    @ Orfeu, The show failed everywhere you say, Not realy since the ratings aint taken from “Everywhere” not even within SyFy’s own yard its properly metured.

    And no, Neilsen is NOT the game in town, maybe in US but most definatly not in a modern society where al TV broadcasts are made digital and therefor you can get a much better accuracy as to what the viewerbase realy is.
    Amazon as the main online shop, yes but not for al country’s. I do belive its UK and Germany that got Amazon pages in europe. As far as im aware there is non for Scandinavia nor BeNeLux or France for that matter so you lose out on a majority of the european count there aswell, then again what does that matter when we already skip 50% of the viewerbase that we air to in favor for a outdated system to read viewer numbers?


    Shortly, SyFy only used 50% of they’r viewer base wich still holds on to a outdated and inaccurate rating system, Ignoring any income they got outside that limited puddle.

  83. Duneknight
    May 17, 2011 at 1:51 am |

    I think that was the problem, TPTB were given two seasons right off the bat which gave them a lot of confidence and they didn’t feel the pressure early on to do their best in attracting viewers for as long as possible. If they were given only 10 episodes at the start to prove themselves they wouldve done a better job because SGU’s full season greenlight wouldve depended on the quality of these episodes. Instead, they took their time mixing the bad episodes with the good ones disregarding the ratings. A more pithy version of SGU couldve done wonders for Syfy.

    And pointing fingers at syfy or Nielson is just ridiculous at this point, That’s like blaming your psychologist for your mental disorder. You are in denial. The nielson system works well. If you want to blame someone blame the people who didnt watch.

  84. Atlantislov
    May 17, 2011 at 2:11 am |

    I don’t believe anything Joe says I think he is just starting trouble for the network and they need to deal with that. Here is the real deal people, no matter what network a show is on they all have the same problem trying to hold on to the viewers that they got as well and get new viewers.

    SGU had a lot of viewers when the show premiere they lost some which is to be expected, but they were still in the renewal stages until they kept on falling until finally it fell below the mark and
    stay there. The truth be told it probably would have been cancel after the first season, but SYFY had
    a two season deal with the producers so they had to give it another season plus I think they wanted to give them another shot since they have had such great dealings with them.

    I know a lot of you think the show is great, but obviously not enough people did. That doesn’t mean that they are dumb and that they just did not get it. It is the fault of the writers, the writers job is to make the show Interesting so that people tune in. A shows reputation is built within the first few seconds of viewing. People know if they want to watch a show or not, people also know if a show has got that something that is worth the wait or not.

    If a show needs to build up that is fine, but the writers needs to convey that to the viewer that if they stick around For the ride they will be reward. They should be able to tell that the storyteller is leading up to something great.

    Most show first ep are not that great, but the reason people still stick around is because they see something In the show.

    Something to think about why didn’t you guys fight this hard when SGA was canceled? The rating were high
    For that show and it got canceled so why should a network keep a show with less rating. Something else to think about Law and Order LA got canceled it was supposed to be at least as good as Law and Order: SVU, but it wasn’t. See you just can’t tell how people are going to react to a show it’s all a game of chance. All you can do is hope that you win.

    Joe and the rest of the producers need to face it they lost the game. And they and MGM hurt their own chances at winning by canceling SGA and yes they did cancel it. No network on this earth would get rid of a show that was making good rating. After all it was making them money.

  85. wraithkelso
    May 17, 2011 at 2:31 am |

    @duneknight actually the nielson system doesn’t work because it doesn’t take in to account all the viewers of TV shows that don’t have cable, or who watch it in groups (like 5 or more huddled around 1 tv).

  86. Greenfire32
    May 17, 2011 at 2:36 am |

    Is anyone else tired of hearing the “Television is a business” phrase.

    When TV execs don’t have any other excuse to throw, they throw this.

    Also: NIELSON SYSTEM DOESN’T WORK! We, the fans, know this, and you, TPTB, know this. Yet here we are….

  87. wraithkelso
    May 17, 2011 at 2:43 am |

    @atlantislov I think part of why there wasn’t as much campaigning when SGA was cancelled is A) it had run for 5 years already, B) at least our people made it back to earth, and C) we were promised an SGA movie to tie up the loose ends.

    With SGU being cancelled, A) it wasn’t in the same time of year that most Syfy series thrive, B) it was finally getting good at back half of season 2, C) the cancellation of SGU effectively cancelled the entire franchise (no SGA, SG1 movies we were promised 3 years ago), and D) we want the franchise to come back in some way shape or form.

    We, as collective Stargate fans need to band together now more then ever if we want to see any new Stargate programming or even movies in the near future. I for one would rather we get the ball rolling now so that we can still use the current cast, as opposed to waiting 10-15 years and not getting any of the characters we know and love.

  88. BadonkaDonk
    May 17, 2011 at 2:47 am |

    Look … let’s ALL be fair. The Stargate Franchise was AMAZING! I have enjoyed TV for almost five decades and let me just say … NOTHING lasts forever.

    It’s NOT the show … it’s NOT the network … it’s NOT the actors (well, except maybe Charlie Sheen) … it’s the ATTITUDES and changing whims and wishes of TV watchers!

    I can tell you this … the SG Frachnise is INCREDIBLE … VERY creative story lines, WELL thought out and enhanced in every line is the quality of the actors and the casting. A rare thing indeed to see CONSISTENT believability and true dedication to plot.

    You must blame the viewer … and how do you keep people interested when their needs are always changing?

    For me … the entire frahchise was a HUGE win … it was ENDLESSLY entertaining and gave me great inspiration; I will miss it all, but HULU will always be there to hook a brother up :)

    If you don’t agree … just consider some of the most amazing moments in the show. I mean, the creativity of the interaction between characters … the fantastic transition and clever authorship of episodes as new characters were introduced … I mean … it’s time to give credit where it is due … WELL DONE SG TEAM!!

    Again, it will be missed, without a doubt. But in todays society of the immediate friend/unfriend world, 30 second news blips, the ADHD nature of our civilization … can you expect anything, no matter how good, to last forever?

    History has proven, time and time again, that the BEST product does not always win … this, naturally, is one of those times :)

    Thanks SyFy for all your support and giving the fans something more than they ever expected and more than you may have ever expected to give.

  89. Duneknight
    May 17, 2011 at 2:56 am |

    @wraithkelso dont you get it? even if nielson all of a sudden upgraded and miraculously monitored everyone’s viewing habits SGU would still fall flat compared to other shows in the new standard; thats not levelling the playing field. Because then the bar would be raised higher for all shows and SGU wont make it just in the same way it doesn’t make it now. It makes no difference, nielson gathers ratings for all shows the same way ergo advertisers know which shows are worth placing their ads in and which arent. But either way nielson works surprisingly well nowadays and i find it to be an accurate telling of a show’s popularity. Do your own unbiased research survey and you will get a similar result. Im sure there are plenty of SGU watchers who arent taken into account by nielson such as us, but like i said before, im also sure there are plenty of True Blood, CSI, House, How i met your mom, American idol, etc watchers who arnt taken into account by nielson either. But they still get good ratings.

  90. wraithkelso
    May 17, 2011 at 3:03 am |

    @duneknight but nielson wasn’t the only problem going against SGU, Syfy refused to air it in the summer (which was the original plan) then compare the fall ratings to the summer ratings of another series. Plus the hype Warehouse 13 a helluva lot more then they did SGU, I didn’t see Air being placed on USA to gain viewers, but they would air the Warehouse 13 pilot on USA to help gain more viewers.

  91. BadonkaDonk
    May 17, 2011 at 3:04 am |

    @DuneKnight & @WraithKelso …
    I agree wholeheartedly with your thoughts and, let me say, it is a SAD FACT of life that the BEST is not always the winner.

    In this case, the quality and consistency that was the SG Franchise was overlooked by not, perhaps, accurately validating the audience of those that enjoyed them. Further, the minute-by-minute whims of viewers is, at best, collected and quantified by inaccurate and inconsistent methods … but it IS THE STANDARD … and until THAT is changed, the best shows will not always win :)

    Ultimately, as in politics, you can’t blame the candidate … you can only blame the voters :)

  92. Slayme
    May 17, 2011 at 3:12 am |

    Hello everyone. Here is an interesting question I have been contemplating.

    Assuming that the rating system used in each country is 100% accurate (gagging as I type that), how do the PROPORTIONS of viewers between countries compare?

    For instance, SGU has averaged approx 500,000 viewers per ep in Canada and 850,000 in US (ballpark averages here). With approx 12,000,000 viewing households in Canada that amounts to 4.166% of viewers. Compare that to 110,000,000 households in the US, that’s only 0.772% of viewers.

    That is a colossal difference. I wonder how the proportions in the UK, Australia and other countries compare? If the proportions were similar to Canada’s would that mean that the rating system in the US is completely bonkers?

    Does anyone have ratings numbers and total number of household viewer-ships by country?

  93. darrick.moreno
    May 17, 2011 at 3:14 am |

    I dont know what makes me sicker, the arguements or the facts. All this throwing around of blame, SYFY did this, MGM didnt do that. Grow up! I personally thought that Stargate Universe was a well thought out, bright shining star of Prime Time television, with only a few, yes a few, minor bumps in the starting off points of the series. I never really watched SG1 or SGA with really nothing more than a dumbed down version of original movie, a night of watching back to back episodes since nothing else was on. So I never really followed the stories; UNTIL, HATERS, this past summer of 2010 when like vast majority of the great ol nation of the USAs economic woes forced me into collecting unemployment and spending a lot of time at the library and guess what I found, The ENTIRE two predecessors, SG1 and Atlantis. In my opinion after seeing all ten seasons and two movies of SG1, there is no doubt in my mind it could easily still be on the air today. SGA, lost all momentum when Weir left the show and that quazi return of ‘its really me, Weir’ episode. Sorta like when Zhan was off of Farscape. It just wasnt the same without her. Whether it was a creatiive issue or a her issue, you cant change actors to play someone that was well established in a show, write them out and back in again. The only time this type of behaviour worked when they changed actors for Darren in Bewitched, not ala the remake. Anyway, back to SGU and SYFY, GOD, who doesnt hate that name change, sounds like a toothless Cindy Brady ‘dew u wanna watch the see fee channel Kitty Carryall?’. SYFY made some serious mistakes in the arrival of this series to the network, just as great shows before it, airing them competing with the major networks prime time shows. Comments before posted here and in other articles state the obvious, SCI FI Channel of the past aired its seasons in the summer and winter during hiatises. Fact, its what made the shows stand out when the rest of the world was in rerun hell. When did Sci Fi or NOW SYFY make the terminal mistakes in its broadcasting nausia? Pinpointed….the season break between season 2.5 and season 3 of Battlestar Galactica. And by the way guys, Ron Moore and Dave Eick are stupendous storytellers and that is a fact, only the lithium and flouride drinkers of the water would dispute it. Anyway, this 7 month break inbetween the seasons were mindsplitting and then only to realize that someones 40watt lightbulb went off at SyFy and said, lets bring season 3 of BSG back during the rest of prime time premieres and go against what works for our individialized viewership and see what happens. Did it work? Tough to say, a few days after airing the last episode it was announced that on 13 episodes were picked up, and a day later, being bombarded with angry panties in a bunch fans wrote the network, they corrected the order to a full season, but only to air only 10 episodes of that season in 2008 and the balance of that same season a year later in 2009. See where I am going with this? Jamie Bamer aka Call Sign Apollo from that same show stated in a press conference that when Syfy has a good show they dont know what to do with it, in regards to the fans being outright pissed about the long ass break. Then, there was Caprica and Farscape, both shows, daring brilliant, but waaaaaaa its getting too expensive for our -insert chortle chortle here- pockets. But we left both of those shows with a sense of closure. When Gauntlet aired I couldnt help but have every emotion from Alpha to Omega running through me. I hate that it ended this way, i hate all and every excuse that either side has given for its conclusion and how many of the so called haters even checked into the vibrations from the universe that actually exist in real life and the writers were keeping you up to date in a platform you could relate to. Dont believe me, spend some time on the net and you will find out. Then there is the enigma of the Neilson Make Believe rating system, seriously, its like the whole arguement that we shouldnt have to keep paying taxes after one of the world wars. Out of six degrees of seperation, I nor anyone I have ever met, has known or known anybody that uses this black box from antiquity. There is no reason why in todays information superhighway society that the Neilson company has not been incorporated with Scientific A. Or Sysco or whatever cable box or dish box that each american or foreign viewer has in their homes. My guess is that there were 4 million more viewers that are just as pissed off as I am about the recent stupid decisions of that a once loved concept was SciFi now a remnant like a leftover supernova. Do any of you remember Earth 2? Oh yeah, no conclusion from parent company NBC, I wonder where they get their eithics? Oh thats right, from an MSNBC news article, ‘so long geeks, SyFy dont want you anymore’ after Caprica was canceled. What does it take to make the whole effin world know that its not just geeks who like science fiction? Imagination keeps the human race destinctively different and truely amazing. Take that away and whats left? The Biggest Loser. The Real Wprld, or Flavor of Love….mindless dribble. I say since we can take our employers to court for wrongful termination, what makes that any different than taking a channel and suing its ass for wrongful cancellation of mindfood programming? Any takers?

  94. BadonkaDonk
    May 17, 2011 at 3:16 am |

    OH … and as Lenin once said … “It’s not he that VOTES that counts … it he that COUNTS the votes that really matters” … :()

  95. wraithkelso
    May 17, 2011 at 3:18 am |

    @Slayme I would bet that it means 1 or more of these things: A) the ratings system is faulty, B) Americans are more interested in cheap entertainments on tv (Jersey Shore) and expensive movies (Harry Potter), or C) a combo of both.

    I would assume its a little bit of both A and B

  96. Xyla
    May 17, 2011 at 3:20 am |

    To say that I am not a fan of Craig Engler would be a MASSIVE understatement. That’s about as polite a statement I can make on the subject.

  97. Atlantislov
    May 17, 2011 at 3:26 am |

    A)So five year run did not mean it was finished they still had plenty left to tell.

    B)So they made it back to earth what happen on earth when they got there? Also what is happening in the peaguses since they left?

    C)I did not see them pushing for it let’s face it the movie would have basically been two ep put together in which they could have told MGM it was some special ep. and got SYFY to fund it.

    A)I’m sure SYFY took that into to acount after all they said when it first started it had good ratings.

    B)You can’t take a season and a half to start getting good that would cancel a show on any network especially one that cost a lot of money.

    C)Not really the cancelation as far as I’m concerned only effects SGU. Yes they put off doing the movies, but a lot of SGA fans don’t want Brad and Co to touch the series they would not trust them to make a good movie for it. So that is no big deal. I think in the future we will get something, but not by Brad and Company.

    D)With people that care about the franchise, and not the former producers and writers they are out of ideas.

    I am doing something I’m supporting SGA I didn’t care for SGU and SGU fans and producers kept putting down my show so why would I support them. I want new show runners. I would not trust anything these guys put out.

  98. Duneknight
    May 17, 2011 at 3:34 am |

    @wraithkelso, you wanted them to air a 2 million dollar an episode tv show in the summer??? Syfy wanted a primetime show to fill the vacuum left behind by BSG, not a summer show. If SGU didnt succeed then whose fault is that? Certainly not Syfy’s fault. They were pretty clear before SGU started filming as to what kind of show they were expecting and what numbers they wanted out of it.

  99. katikatnik
    May 17, 2011 at 3:38 am |

    Curious. So, how does SyFy’s fumble explain the show’s failure in every country where SGU aired (and for which ratings are available)? Explain that to me, please. Germany, Australia, the UK… Even Canada where the ratings dropped almost 40%. Did every network that aired the show do a bad job? Even smitten SGU fans have to acknowledge the improbability of that.

  100. wraithkelso
    May 17, 2011 at 4:02 am |

    whats with all the SGU haters? You realize that now we have no new Stargate projects in the works partly thanks to all the negative press from you guys before it even aired.

    @atlantislov while you may not want the same show runners back on, I”m sure you want the same cast back, that means it has to happen before they get too much older and look different

    @duneknight BSG was a revamp plus there was a while where Scifi aired their friday night line up as SG1 at 8, Atlantis at 9, and BSG at 10

    To all of you who just didn’t like SGU because it was so different from SG1 and SGA, would you have given it more of a chance if they did SGA and SGU at the same time?

  101. Atlantislov
    May 17, 2011 at 4:25 am |

    I would love a mini series with the same cast, but if I could not then that would be ok as long as I get a ending.

    I did not like SGU because it was different I did not like it, because it was not interesting.

    And why should I wait around for the same producers that cancelled SGA, because they were bored to do the same thing with SGU. I’m not going to let this guys get me invested in a show again just to have them pull the rug from up under me again.

  102. Atlantislov
    May 17, 2011 at 4:28 am |

    I meant to say I did not care about SGU being different it the fact that it did not pull me in when I watched that is why I tuned out.

  103. katikatnik
    May 17, 2011 at 4:44 am |

    @wraithkelso: It’s not about being an “SGU h*ter” – I can speak only for myself here: I simply have a different opinion and I don’t think it’s entirely SyFy’s fault, which foreign ratings prove. The show just didn’t hold my interest – not the storyline, not the characters whom I found downright despicable – and I don’t like all the SyFy bashing that’s going around here. SyFy obviously had high hopes for the show when they put the clause about the 2nd season pick-up in the 1st season contract already. And for a big budget show, SGU just wasn’t delivering on a long-term basis – there had been no spikes in ratings for pivotal episodes, not even on Friday, that would have indicated an upward trend. And if the show could deliver only with expensive promotion, then it simply wasn’t profitable enough for SyFy. It got 40 eps to catch its breath and it didn’t. Thus it got canceled.

  104. ace_love
    May 17, 2011 at 4:44 am |

    @Atlantislov “I meant to say I did not care about SGU being different it the fact that it did not pull me in when I watched that is why I tuned out.”

    Most people didn’t like it the start, I was ready to throw in the towel at one point, but still i persevered.. It’s called loyalty

    @wraithkelso “whats with all the SGU haters? You realize that now we have no new Stargate projects in the works partly thanks to all the negative press from you guys before it even aired”

    Exactly.. 2 years on and they’re still banging on about Atlantis, they call SGU being a BSG clone, erm sorry but SG:A was an SG:1 clone! Infact a perfect copy..

    They stopped watching thinking SGU would get cancelled and SG:A would of been brought back – How wrong they were!

  105. ace_love
    May 17, 2011 at 5:28 am |

    You know what’s really funny?

    Netflix user rating: 4.1/5 (Higher than any other Stargate show and movie!)
    iTunes user ratings: 4.5/5

    Surely that’s got to count for something?

  106. Duneknight
    May 17, 2011 at 5:32 am |


    I don’t like to falsely blame others which is what many here are doing. Syfy did more than enough for Stargate, other good shows could only wish to get the same chances SGU had.

    And I like a lot of things in SGU but there is also a lot to hate it for. It had so many missed opportunities at critical moments in its run and even though I get the story wants to connect to audiences on a deeper level, that doesnt mean the writers should dismiss everything that makes a story interesting. Nearly all the characters are unrelatable and the only two major characters that stand out have become a detrimental byproduct of the non-serialized nature of the show. I couldn’t tell if SGU’s story at any point was advancing, stalling or reseting.

    There is no denying that SGU was the best stargate tv show made in terms of ambition and originality but I just think the writers didn’t try hard enough.

  107. wraithkelso
    May 17, 2011 at 5:44 am |

    @duneknight agreed lol, but Syfy didn’t give it the same chance it gave SG1 and SGA because instead of doing the normal Summer season that Stargate and for that matter Science Fiction shows have thrived on Scifi/Syfy, they put it in the fall. They also can’t compare monday ratings of Being Human (winter = not as steep of competition) to SGU (spring has more heavy competition)

  108. Atlantislov
    May 17, 2011 at 7:00 am |

    LOL. I refuse to watch a show that does not interest me. The writers just did not do a good job of hooking people.

    I’m sure besides myself there were plenty of SGA fans that said I’ll never watch, but they did just to see what was going on I mean curiousity can be so powerful. The problem was when they tune in they did not become hook. I blame that on the writing where it belongs. Also I’m a realist I know they are not going to bring back SGA if they cancel SGU. People stop watching SGU because it did not interest them. That is the life of TV I love the show The cape, but it got cancelled I don’t go around calling everybody that did not watch it dumb. I’m not a sheep I don’t follow the crowd without question. I’m a leader not a follower.

  109. nicamundsen
    May 17, 2011 at 7:07 am |

    Lets be honest the first season half doomed this show, however the second would easily be one of the best seasons of Stargate out there. I will definatly do my part to get this show goin again by purchasing the first two seasons on DVD. The second season showed it had the potential to be one of the best Science fiction shows around

  110. Imperious
    May 17, 2011 at 7:09 am |

    The end of Science fiction TV as we have known it for decades has begun (Unfortunately)

    V and The Event cancelled, RIP SciFi

    At least I can rewatch old shows again, but that doesn’t compare to watching new episodes.

  111. ace_love
    May 17, 2011 at 7:23 am |

    “I’m sure besides myself there were plenty of SGA fans that said I’ll never watch, but they did just to see what was going on I mean curiousity can be so powerful. The problem was when they tune in they did not become hook. ”

    That is not true, you can’t speak for everyone, just scroll through the forums and you’ll see plenty of Atlantis fans converted to the new format, all of which are devastated! Please do not presume or talk for the rest of them

  112. Atlantislov
    May 17, 2011 at 7:45 am |

    I never said that every Atlantis fans did not like SGU. Where in my statement did you ever see the word everyone. I said plenty and the word plenty does not mean everyone. Just like you use the word plenty, but that does not mean everyone loves SGU. Remember I never use the word ALL. You take what you want and translate it the way you want to I don’t care.

  113. Soundmanc
    May 17, 2011 at 7:53 am |

    I’m one of those cable cutters. I depend 100% on the internet to view most of my shows. I don’t download my shows, I watch them through whatever service with commercials. It’s sad, but expected, that the TV industry is to dumb to realize the change. I can’t count the number of people I know that watch TV the same way now. Don’t be like the music industry and show up 10 years to late for downloading music.

    If SyFy were a true SciFi network they should see things coming ahead of time and make adjustments that everyone else in the industry could follow. Your typical scifi fan is not a moron, sheeple, or technically ignorant. A large majority of us are on, or close to the cutting edge of entertainment delivery. It just goes to prove that the Syfy doesn’t really know it’s customer base.

  114. William1180
    May 17, 2011 at 8:21 am |

    You know whatI wish that SYFY would stop showing cooking stuff I mean maybe thats why SGU didnt do so well. There is hardly any SYFY stuff on SYFY channel Wrestleing and what not! Who wants to see that on SYFY!!

  115. psw
    May 17, 2011 at 10:15 am |

    Ratings from Germany and the UK. Highest and lowest episode I know of. All are overnight ratings.

    UK: ep. 1×01: 890,800 viewers, ep. 2×04: 160,000 viewers

    Germany: ep. 1×01/1×02: 2.32 million, ep. 2×14: 0.64 million

    SGU lost a smaller percentage of viewers in the USA. So if you want, start bashing Sky1 and RTL2, too. ;-)

  116. ace_love
    May 17, 2011 at 1:02 pm |

    “UK: ep. 1×01: 890,800 viewers, ep. 2×04: 160,000 viewers”

    Where did you get those figures from? Air is wrong by a long shot, was 1.8m

  117. orfeu
    May 17, 2011 at 1:28 pm |

    After google: http://www.scifinow.co.uk/news/sgu-scores-in-uk-ratings/

    Where did you find 1.8m?

  118. Jim
    May 17, 2011 at 3:51 pm |

    @darrick.moreno Respect,sir!!

  119. Jim
    May 17, 2011 at 4:10 pm |

    @Atlantislove Cape..ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!!!!!!!!Maybe you don’t call ppl who didn’t watch that grotesque of a show dumb,because they really aren’t??

  120. Jim
    May 17, 2011 at 4:12 pm |

    @xyla Respect lady!!

  121. Jim
    May 17, 2011 at 4:13 pm |

    @@wraithkelso I agree with you,sir.

  122. SkateZilla
    May 17, 2011 at 5:12 pm |

    Mallozzi is Awesome….. SyFy’s whole, Shift the blame response had me scratching my head too,

  123. stargatesandiego
    May 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm |

    I think the problem with the Stargate Franchise is that it became an “old win in a new bottle”. There was a bunch of ideas that showed up in the show but never came to fruition. Example, the show that talked about drones possibly repairing the ship. Or having more then one ship.

    No offense to Mallozzi, but let’s get some new writers, producers, and some new creators.

    Let’s see a fleet form, lead actors and actresses die, and or people developing certain traits like telekinesis.

  124. TollanTom36
    May 17, 2011 at 6:11 pm |


    “To all of you who just didn’t like SGU because it was so different from SG1 and SGA, would you have given it more of a chance if they did SGA and SGU at the same time?”

    I think this brings up a really good point. I didn’t really like SGU, but I think if they were on together I think that I would have gotten enough mythology, gate exploration, and other races from Atlantis to get more into SGU. I think that SGU lacked the Mythology tie to present day earth that I would have been able to get from Atlantis if the hour before was slotted for SGA. So I guess, to answer your question, yes, the transition to a new format for SG would have been a lot smoother than the abrupt change that we got.

  125. puddlejumper_1
    May 17, 2011 at 6:12 pm |

    The facts are there. Take Sanctuary, it was on friday and got 1.4mil in ratings and they moved it to mondays and it gets half that number. Syfy says they’re gonna give it a 4th season, but then there still gonna keep it on monday’s. So I doubt Sanctuary will get a 5th season. Infact I doubt any further new SciFi based shows will get many seasons. 2 seasons look like Syfy’s limit.

  126. wraithkelso
    May 17, 2011 at 6:36 pm |

    I posted a new blog update today about why I think SGU didn’t sit well with a lot of the long time Stargate fans check it out at http://wraithkelso.blogspot.com/

  127. Atlantislov
    May 17, 2011 at 10:29 pm |

    I don’t care what you think. I said I never call people dumb, because they don’t get it. I was using that show as an examaple. Like I said I’m a leader not a follower and if you were trying to hurt me you fail.

  128. kimmyg
    May 17, 2011 at 10:32 pm |

    @ orfeu “So we got SGU. It was not Stargate and it was not Sci Fy. Yes, it had a stargate in it, a space ship, time travel (Supernatural has them too), but it was a soap opera.”

    Space (soap) opera is a huge part of science fiction genre providing readers many interesting characters like Black Jack Geary, Lt Leary, Kris Longknife, Miles Vorsagian just to name a few. Many of these characters stories ahve been published in over 7 or more books.

    I personally was tired of the Gate trip of the week and wanted more character and story arc development from SGU. We already had 15 years of mythos behind Stargate to draw upon and I wanted to see that broadened much more deeply. I didn’t jump on SGUs bandwagon until the end of the 1st season. After I re-watched my BD of SGU, I could see the deep arcing story and depth of character being developed. I feel in love with this show. And I saw SG from its earliest days on Showtime. I enjoyed each show, but really invested myself in SGU because it was much broader of vision and deep in context.

    So you didn’t like it, that is your opinion, don’t assume it’s mine.

    And speaking of haters of SGU: I dind’t know anything about the visiousness of dislike heaped upon the show until I started reading some of the older posts on GW forum. I was shocked. If you are a fan of the franchise you support the show. Solicitously make suggestions not spit vile frankly childish remarks to the producers in your bid to change the program.

    I’ve visited other websites to gauge this contempt for SGU. I read their reviews of SGU’s last 5 shows. I wondered if these people actually watched the show as there were so many blatant errors in their comments. These reviews were rigidly sarcastic in nature and I found these sites to be depressing in their negative attitude. I checked other reviews of other shows and found equal drivel. I’m glad GateWorld exists as its a positive site and despite comments to the contrary does embrace all opinions if you don’t spew filth & contribute your thoughts in a socially conscious manner.

    Thanks for the hard work Darren & crew for making Gateworld my home page.

  129. ForceGhost
    May 17, 2011 at 11:12 pm |

    @Lee_Machine Potential paying customers may as well not exist. They want money, if they don’t get it they stop the output of the product. Plain and simple. Yes, BTW, I am a Dr Who fan. How did I watch Dr Who before it aired on SciFi in 2005? I didn’t. The only time I ever torrent shows are if they are yet to be licensed here in The States. I’m also the best possible example of viewer. I’m 20 years old, computer-reliant and unemployed, yet still purchased both parts of SGU Season 1 on BD. Before they were packaged together. Still, none of that is relevant because television is a money making business. Torrents = free = nothing in return to the production companies. End of discussion.

  130. Hitcher
    May 18, 2011 at 12:21 am |

    Boycott SYFY

  131. orfeu
    May 18, 2011 at 2:04 am |

    I am a fan of the franchise. So I don’t like SGU because it is not part of the franchise. It was designed from the start not to be Stargate, so why should I support something I don’t like and turns its back to what I like.

    BW was very arrogant, considering the fans of his show mindless people who will watch anything as long as it has a SG in it. It shows he never knew what SG was all about. It is no wonder SGU was such a failure when it is created by such a man.

    And I know what a space opera is, SGU was a soap opera, and a bad one. By the way, space opera used to be the soap operas of SciFi, so we could say that SGU is a space opera. But not Stargate. They should have called it “The Stones in our Life”, or something similar.

    Nielsen is the game in town. All the shows are judge by the Nielsen ratings, including the successful ones on SyFy, and the failed ones. SGU was made for the american market, the European SyFys didn’t contribute anything, financially. And yes, it failed everywhere, even if they didn’t use the Nielsen ratings. All the ratings systems said that SGU is a failure.

  132. wraithkelso
    May 18, 2011 at 5:57 am |

    @orfeu look at Facebook, everyone keeps saying they like SGA the best, well, I’d bet that most people on Gateworld have a facebook account. Each Stargate show has its own page. SG-1 has 407,499 facebook fans, Atlantis has 372,361 (that is 9% less), SGU has 270,865 (that isn’t even 30% less fans then SGA) and I am sure that number would only go up if it got more seasons.

    Now compare that to the difference between BSG and Caprica… BSG has 549,782 and Caprica has 153,676. Interestingly enough that means that Caprica has more then 70% less fans then BSG.

    Sanctuary has 155,183 fans, thats barely more then Caprica, Eureka has 343,233 fans, and Warehouse 13, you know, that show that Syfy compared SGU’s ratings to, guess what, it has 237,523, which is 13% less fans then SGU.

    Marcel’s Quantum Kitchen has less then 1 thousand: 894, WWE Smackdown has 334,364 fans, thats in between SGA and SGU, Fact or Faked has 11,753 fans, Ghost Hunters seems to be the most popular so far with 1,559,470 facebook fans, Being Human (also one SGU was compared to ratngs wise) has 138,007, thats less then Caprica… Hollywood Treasures has 5,409, Destination Truth has 218,654 (less then SGU), Face off has 26,262 and their precious Haven has 26,853.

    Syfy network itself only has 305,146… make that 305,145, I just unliked their page.

  133. orfeu
    May 18, 2011 at 6:34 am |

    Yes, but facebook, just like the critics, doesn’t pay the bills. The people that watch live do and there weren’t many that did.

    It is very easy to make “friends” on facebook. It doesn’t cost you anything. Watching the show live costs you because by watching SGU, you deny yourself the opportunity to watch something else. That and buying DVDs is really making a statement. I don’t know much about those sales.

    Also Facebook doesn’t help much a show. There was a lot of advertising for SGU made on Twiter and Facebook by fans. Yet even fewer people watched. With the ratings on imdb surging, and now the positive reviews dominate, fewer people watch.

    There is this online game, hattrick.org. One user once said “when will you guys pull the plug?” and he got an answer witch amounted on the great opportunity facebook offers to increase the user base. The next week another 10k users were lost.

    Even if Nielsen doesn’t count all the viewers, this would apply to all the shows, so again SGU would have low viewer ship compared to other shows.

  134. velnias
    May 18, 2011 at 8:18 am |

    xD Hatters goona hate! right orfeu?

    xD with a DVR you can watch a series while recording another… or if you can’t watch it when is being aired you can record it to watch it when you will be able. there is a phrase of yours that is incomplete it would be this: “by watching SGU (or SGA-SG1), you deny yourself the opportunity to watch something else”. Anyway looking it from the other side, by watching anything else you deny the possibility to watch SGU/SGA/SG1.

    As everyone has stated here SGA and SG1 premiered in summer, SGU didn’t. There’s a huge difference between starting it in summer than in winter. If you don’t want to understand it good for you! but reality is that even a brat could understand that.

    You think by blaming and critizising SGU and taking out your hatred cos SGA was cancelled to start SGU will help SGA go back? xD Good for you! But, face it, It WONT!

    You dislike Space Operas? I don’t I loved Battlestar Galactica. I didn’t like SGU’s first season specially cos it was boring and not because it cancelled my favorite SG series which was SGA. But being for 15 years a SG fan, hoped the second season would become better and it has been betetr than good… which I hope you haven’t seen it cos hating it so much since the first episode… it would be a bit too much masochistic from your side… hating it soooo much and watching those 40 episodes… xD

    Anyway congratulations!!!! I hope you will be really happy, and will have been celebrating the cancellation of SGU TO THE FULLEST!!! In my case I liked it so can’t do like you, well I’m a bit different than you, when I dislike something I just skip it erase it from my life, don’t spend time defending its cancellation xD.xD Hatters goona hate! right orfeu?

    xD with a DVR you can watch a series while recording another… or if you can’t watch it when is being aired you can record it to watch it when you will be able. there is a phrase of yours that is incomplete it would be this: “by watching SGU (or SGA-SG1), you deny yourself the opportunity to watch something else”. Anyway looking it from the other side, by watching anything else you deny the possibility to watch SGU/SGA/SG1.

    As everyone has stated here SGA and SG1 premiered in summer, SGU didn’t. There’s a huge difference between starting it in summer than in winter. If you don’t want to understand it good for you! but reality is that even a brat could understand that.

    You think by blaming and critizising SGU and taking out your hatred cos SGA was cancelled to start SGU will help SGA go back? xD Good for you! But, face it, It WONT!

    You dislike Space Operas? I don’t I loved Battlestar Galactica. I didn’t like SGU’s first season specially cos it cancelled my favorite SG series which was SGA and it was boring. But being for 15 years a SG fan, hoped the second season would become better and it has been betetr than good… which I hope you haven’t seen it cos hating it so much since the first episode… it would be a bit too much masochistic from your side… hating it soooo much and watching those 40 episodes… xD

    Anyway congratulations!!!! I hope you will be really happy, and will have been celebrating the cancellation of SGU TO THE FULLEST!!! In my case I liked it so can’t do like you, well I’m a bit different than you, when I dislike something I just skip it erase it from my life, don’t spend time defending its cancellation xD.

  135. orfeu
    May 18, 2011 at 8:57 am |

    DVRs weren’t that great for SGU and they were also decreasing. Also many people that DVR it didn’t watch it, or didn’t finish the episodes.

    But I don’t hate SGU. I don’t like what happened with the franchise because of it, so I’me just offering my 5 cents on the matter.

    By the way, do you think that making some rants like this one will bring SGU back, or convince people to watch it?

  136. wraithkelso
    May 18, 2011 at 11:18 am |

    @orfeu you’re statement about DVR viewings is flawed and here is why: Most people who use a dvr SKIP THE COMMERCIALS. I know I do, and the reason is because I record the show for the show, not to see half a dozen fact or faked commercials.

    Plus this ids bigger then SGU being cut due to being “unpopular”. This is also about the demise of the SCIENCE FICTION that Scifi was built on. All they care about anymore is ” how can I make the biggest profit?” the answer, cheap reality shows that cost next to nothing to make, and even if they only get a .5 for the premiere than they made a profit. Look at the new show they just ordered 2 seasons of, Lost Girl, it has nothing to do with Science Fiction, but they don’t care about that anymore because its a moderately hot chick that plays a “demon seductress who feeds off sexual energy”.

  137. psw
    May 18, 2011 at 11:51 am |

    @ velnias

    “I didn’t like SGU’s first season specially cos it was boring…”

    So why are you searching for other reasons for the bad ratings? Even you didn’t like the first season. So why are you surprised that others also didn’t like it and stopped watching?

  138. wraithkelso
    May 18, 2011 at 12:17 pm |

    @psw true stargate fans stick with the franchise through the good, the bad, and the ugly. All the producers kept saying that it would get better, and guess what… it did in season 2.

  139. psw
    May 18, 2011 at 1:34 pm |

    @ wraithkelso

    It says a lot about a series, if the producers had to promise to its viewers, that “it would get better”. Why wasn’t it “better” in the first season?

    Most people are not so fanatical about a franchise, that they will watch everything of it, even if they don’t like it. If the producers expected this, they were very naive. Each series must convince viewers on its own.

  140. marvelous
    May 18, 2011 at 1:50 pm |

    Stargate Universe was not that good in the beginning. It lacked humor, that was evident in SG1 and SGatlantis. It just seemed dark and boring. But as the show went on, it got better and better. By season 3 there was actually a sense of humor coming out. Just when it was really getting good, (and I’m a die hard Stargate fan) they cancel it. It had such potential that the SyFy channel didn’t let unfold. I really hope someone else picks it up and runs with it. I know I’ll be watching and millions of others!

  141. wraithkelso
    May 18, 2011 at 2:24 pm |

    Quick question to everyone here, and this also calls more BS to Craig’s statements about online viewing…. How many of you have watched any of the 3 Stargate shows on Hulu? If you have you’ve probably noticed the Syfy logo both before the show (no MGM lion) and the Syfy logo embossed on the episode itself.

  142. orfeu
    May 18, 2011 at 3:13 pm |

    “true stargate fans stick with the franchise through the good, the bad, and the ugly.”

    It is not my wife. It is show and I see no reason to punish myself by watching it. I don’t think you understood what I was saying about DVR: the DVR numbers were not that big. W13 had as many people DVR as SGU live viewers, maybe more. I never mentioned commercials.

    I did watch the second season. As I have said before, I didn’t think it got any better. Of course they didn’t use the stones as much, Scott and Chloe were toned down, but the show still put me to sleep.

  143. velnias
    May 18, 2011 at 6:11 pm |

    @psw First of all, learn to read and comprehend what you read and don’t erase parts to your advantage cos that will only go against you.

    “I didn’t like SGU’s first season specially cos it was boring…”
    after that I wrote “But being for 15 years a SG fan, hoped the second season would become better and it has been betetr than good…”

    Anyway you say “So why are you surprised that others also didn’t like it and stopped watching?” I have NEVER said I was surprised other people didn’t like it so I repeat, learn to comprehend what you read. If you have problems with your imagination good luck trying to fix it, but don’t say people say things they haven’t said cos you aren’t making any good to you, but for me is ok if you think that might be cool xD everything is written and easy to be proven so is only you who is making a fool of him/herself…

    On the other side, AGAIN, I haven’t talked in that post about ratings, I haven’t even mentioned them… so AGAIN you are imagining things that aren’t written, unless your computer will be haunted or you have really a severe problem of comprehension so you phrase “So why are you searching for other reasons for the bad ratings?” is invalid cos I have never talked about ratings!! Anyway you want to talk about them? Ok here’s my opinion: the ratings were only about first season Engler had never shown ratings about the second season and as I have saidalready said here and at Engler’s post SECOND SEASON (I’m referring only to that, not to ratings. I know it’s easy to understand it but I have serious doubts you will be able to understand it so here’s my hint to try help you :D) had been better than good and has finished great if there were a 3rd season. Anyway what’s for the ratings chatter if the information is biased? If the ratings only show the first season which everybody knows it was bad even the surprised ones (right psw? xD) and there aren’t the ratings of the second season? Why it’s interesting to talk about two seasons, 40 episodes and blahblahblah to keep criticising it but we can’t see the ratings of the second season which people say it became good or great? (yeah, even the surprised ones xD) Anyway is as I said in that post you failed to manipulate, If I dislike something I just pass, don’t spend even a second thinking about it xD but here you are trying to prove yourselves day after day defending syfy cos of cancelling SGU cos you didn’t like SGU while sure you were blaming them when SGA was cancelled xD Amazing you have felt so much pain you have to spend time here hating SGU xD Congratulations!!! If I could I would email you a chocolate biscuit!!

  144. velnias
    May 18, 2011 at 6:21 pm |

    @orfeu I have a problem. In your post of May 18 @ 3:13 pm you say: “It is not my wife. It is show and I see no reason to punish myself by watching it.” So from what is written is quite understandable you say to watch it is like a punishment, then why you say in that same post “I did watch the second season.”? Is it a punishment, is it not? You like to be punished? Or is it that you made a mess of yourself while trying to defend from the comment of wraithkelso (which I agree) that you chose that was “true stargate fans stick with the franchise through the good, the bad, and the ugly.”

  145. orfeu
    May 19, 2011 at 12:35 am |

    The ratings for the second season were worse than the ones from the first season. A lot worse. Probably Englar assumed everybody knew that. You can find extensive discussions (and excuses) about the ratings in second season here on GW. You say that the second season was better than good, well, the ratings still fell.

    As I have said before, I gave up on the show, but I got back to it after reading here it got good. I am a success story for all the guys that praised it on imdb, twiter and facebook. Too bad the show wasn’t any good still. It was not punishment, I just fell for false advertisement. That’s why I signed up here in order to give my opinion.

    Also I never blamed SGU for SGA getting canceled. I blamed SGU for being bad, not different, and for putting the franchise in the position it is now.

    Nice rant. It is their right to make mistakes, as it is my right to talk about those mistakes. And maybe I am zero compared to those guys, but I doubt you are any different than me. We just have different opinions about a show, I think it is a crime against humanity, you think it is awesome.

    And even if those guys are somebody, it seams they couldn’t convince anybody to pick up SGU, or finance some kind of closure. You are as good as your work: good work, doors open, bad work, doors shut. Right now: bad work, out of work. That’s life.

  146. psw
    May 19, 2011 at 7:49 am |

    @ velnias

    It seems you haven’t followed the whole ratings discussion for long. Most people on this site know, that the season 2 ratings were simply horrible. That is simply a fact. The numbers speak for themselves.

    These are the live + SD ratings in millions of viewers.

    Season 1:


    Season 2


    Craig Engler was nice, when he used the unimportant live + 7 ratings for the first season. Those don’t really matter and make the ratings appear better than they were. The advertisers are only interested in the so called C3 ratings. Those count how many people watch the commercials live or via DVR in the next three days. They are similar to the live + SD ratings, so you should look at those.

    And I don’t blame Syfy for cancelling SGA. Syfy would have aired both series. SGA was still making money for them. TPTW on the other hand said a few times in interviews, that they didn’t want to make two series at once again, because it was so much work, when they made SG1/SGA at the same time. And maybe MGM had only money for one series either way. So there was the choice of continuing SGA or making SGU. They obviously decided to cancel SGA to make room for SGU. TPTW prefered a shiny new toy over the old one.

    SGA got in its 5th season 1.6 million viewers live + SD on average. That was even according to Brad Wright good enough for a 6th season. The series was still cancelled.

    SGU’s ratings were already in the second half of season 1 below SGA’s ratings of season 5, which is just bad for a brand new series, which was supposed to get better ratings than the series its replaced.

    Despite the bad season 1 ratings, they made still a full season 2. The ratings went down further in season 2. People disagree about the reasons for this, but in the end it doesn’t matter, because the season 1 ratings were already not good enough. That is why Craig Engler concentrated only on the season 1 ratings. He wanted to show that the season 1 ratings were already not good enough for a survival of the series.

  147. 0s1r1s
    May 19, 2011 at 9:43 am |

    Would it have killed them to “observe” how many people illegally downloaded the show to see just how many people were actually “watching the show” outside of the Syfy channel broadcast?

    How many times do I have to ask this frakking

    Lost season openers torrent anyone???? Come on.

  148. psw
    May 19, 2011 at 10:25 am |

    Why should they care about the people, who illegally downloaded SGU? Even if 100 million US Americans watched SGU illegally, it wouldn’t have helped the show. Those people aren’t watching the commercials on Syfy.

    Many illegal downloads are by the way from people, who can’t watch the Syfy channel. So they are not even potential Syfy viewers.

  149. ryan.poehls
    May 19, 2011 at 10:31 am |

    How about the 2-3 million fans who can’t watch the show live on the time slots that SGU was given and who recorded the shows on DVR. Fans of Science Fiction shows are a younger audience and have to work. Just because only 2 million fans or less were watching it live doesn’t mean there are 2+ million fans watching the show off their DVR, Internet or VCR. I think this show was more popular than it’s Neilson Rating would have SyFy believe and SGU in fact had more fans watching the episodes in other ways that can be determined by a Neilson box. I doubt the majority of people who would be considered Sci-Fi fans and watched SyFy even are involved in Neilson ratings. This ratings things is misleading to the networks who try to get an accurate reading on how popular a show is.

    Both SGU seasons, in my opinion, were good solid shows. I don’t get caught up in logic and nonsense when watching SGU. I look at intensity, which SGU had a lot of, and story/what’s going on. These critics of the show are watching the show or they wouldn’t know every detail of what they are criticizing. There’s got to be a better way to determine a ratings system that gives networks a true reading of how the show is doing. I would say the viewer ship of the show based on the ratings alone only shows 1/3 of the true audience of the show. So take 2 million and you really had 6 million people who watched SGU. I doubt the show gets canceled if SyFy knew that 6 million people really was watching the show is some form other than LIVE.

  150. ryan.poehls
    May 19, 2011 at 10:35 am |

    Maybe this show should have been on a none cable channel where people in this economy can’t afford cable can watch the show. This doesn’t affect me but if this show is on ABC, CBS, NBC, or FOX (not CW because they failed to give Enterprise good ratings and not everyone has access to the CW in all markets) I’m sure that SGU would get 5+ million viewers per episode.

  151. McJoe
    May 19, 2011 at 3:19 pm |

    Needed to be moved to Showtime, HBO or Starz. At least they can produce it with some real action!

  152. Gaur
    May 19, 2011 at 9:28 pm |

    How shows like Chuck survive but Stargate don’t baffles me.

    Anyway, why don’t they do SGU season 3 just for the web? There are millions of stargate fans out there. It’s been running for what like 12 years now? It would be so easy to bring it online, plus stargate fans are all techi kind of people anyway–I haven’t watched a single stargate episode on TV in 5 years, but I’ve never missed one either.

    The producers should just do it themselves, release it online for a subscription and then sell the DVD.

  153. leschwartz
    May 19, 2011 at 9:59 pm |

    I have read most of the comments, many I agree with, but one point that really bothers me that I did not notice anyone making is that the way the death of SGA and SGU were handled potentially impacts the Stargate franchise very detrimentally. And I think that reflects badly on anyone who was in a position to affect these outcomes.

    Both MGM and SyFy are guilty of a major lack of vision regarding the franchise’s potential.

    Consider that even the original Star Trek had some very weak episodes, was canceled and brought back, then went on to be the foundation for several derivative series, as well as several movie arcs, involving now three sets of casts.

    That puts the recent mishandling of the Stargate franchise into epic proportions of present and future lost opportunities.

    And from that perspective, two years should be the minimum commitment to a series within this type of franchise. Not an inviolatable commitment, but a commitment to make whatever changes were needed to revive it if it proved to be going off course.

    I agree very strongly that the present system of counting viewers is inaccurate and that as-is commercial based television sponsorship will soon be untenable, given the changes in how people use the medium, the alternative mediums, the likely expansion of options, changes in habits away from live viewing.

  154. Jim
    May 20, 2011 at 3:19 am |

    @orfeu I wasn’t even talking about you.You can at least support your opinions with arguments and you’re new,I don’t even know enough about you.
    Those I was refering to,know who they are.
    And I don’t think SGU is awesome,I do think it had a potential to be that though.But I think stargate franchise IS awesome and to rip it and it’s legacy completely appart and it’s makers too,because of various frustrations of vocal minority and rabid fans that every franchise has is a crime imo.
    I’m choosing to do everything I can to show support and defend people who created a universe all of us enjoyed in for more than 15 seasons and point out to real purps of a “crime” against that franchise.

    But as I stated many times before,even more importantly I am pointing out to a very sad trend regarding science fiction and even fantasy and even quallity scripted shows in general if you will.Something that to me as a huge SF fan is much more disturbing than the premature departing of this one show.It’s not the first and I’m sure it ain’t gonna be the last.I’ve gone through that with Firefly,Farscape,TSCC…,but the difference,before there was a new and good show ready and awaiting to replace those canned,regardless of how much the prem.ending of those previous ones used to hurt.
    Nowdays,all I see is shows I like fading away,without any sign of anything worthy enough to pay attention too at all as a replacement.That and the fact that all the good shows are being canned much sooner,and being replaced with pseudo-everything reality,cheap garbage!And it’s happening even on a channel that used to be one “safe haven”from that sort of stuff.Now it’s worst of the worse and I’m so disappointed for them selling out like that and what makes it even worse than that,everything most of us were fearing and saying from the moment they’d changed the name came true,only even worse than imagined!That from a channel that should have been at the forefront of the “fight”against it,not only gave in,but as said became the worst of it all..literally abandoning any creativity,for quickest possible profit!!
    Look,I know this trend can’t last forever,or even much longer,but for now it makes me bitter and sad,that’s all.

  155. Jim
    May 20, 2011 at 3:30 am |

    On another note,I’m fully aware that internet downloads don’t mean much profit-wise,but at the same time I KNOW that every smart businessman out there involved with the field we’re talking about here,should at least a)take those in account as an incredibly important indicators of the real sate of affairs “on the ground”,so to say.
    And b)Take it in consideration and brainstorm on how to make those internet downloads,even torrents profitable in the future.

    Those two things are absolutely necessary for everyone trying to either survive in broadcasting world in the close future for smaller players(SyFy being among them),or staying relevant for bigger players!

  156. orfeu
    May 20, 2011 at 6:33 am |

    ABC, CBS, NBC, or FOX? FOX renewed Fringe, which it nothing short of a miracle. I still think someone is getting grilled somewhere for making that decision. But if you look at these networks this year, all cancelled shows with more live viewers than all your estimated total number ofviewers for SGU. I don’t know how to break it to you, but for them shows with 5 million viewers are cancellation matterial. All the shows NBC canceled were new.

    The network where it might have a chance, except SyFy, is CW, although I doubt it.

    Also that guy from SyFy had the numbers with DVR, the ones you are using in your post. And those numbers were also decreasing. W13 had way more people DVR.

    It was aimed at those like me. Since I don’t consider SGU SciFi, I don’t see anything lost, but gained. The sooner we get rid of the likes of BSG, Caprica and other nonsense out there, the sooner we will have good SciFi back.

    I know many would swear that BSG is the greatest thing ever, but very few would actually watch it again. The critics may be crazy about it, but it usually gets low viewing numbers, and that is when it is aired.

    What we have now is the Star Trek generation of writers and producers going out in a bad style. When the guys with the money will finally give up on them and new blood will come, I think we will have some pretty good shows out there. By the look of things, we don’t have to wait long.

  157. Jim
    May 20, 2011 at 9:38 am |

    @orfeu Well sorry,I was wrong.In that case it was pointed at you.Because your taste in what’s good sci-fi,hell good television in general is just wrong.And your arguments invalid.
    Your generalization about BSG is proof enough.You don’t think,suppose,speculate,it is not your theory…You actually KNOW that admittedly many would swear BSG is the greatest thing ever but wery few would watch it again.You KNOW that.
    That statement right there is proof enough.Also you admit critics are crazy about it,well usually in histiory quality,real quality never really went well enough with the masses.Your statements are simply laughable and people creating those things you mentioned were in fact and even are NEW blood.
    But I will not say that I know like you do,I can only hope that whatever comes next has the same level of quality,feeling,multidimensional,layered characters,stories and imagination,because otherwise ww’re back to no brainer boring technobable flattering the likes of you that you actually know something,while in fact getting at the most basic,primitive kick-ass instincts.Sorry they made you squirm by making you actually have to think and analyse things for real,I know that can be hard for some people.Also by the looks of things,we won’t have to wait for long before there are NO SF on tv at all,the way things you call a “gain” are going.
    And if you knew anything about science fiction on tv,or otherwise for that matter,you’d know that the Star Trek generation of writers and producers,as well as that mentality,that’s obviously closer to your,although you go here against it,went out with B5 and all of those who followed,who are exactly the people we’re talking about.
    And no,Ron Moore may have made his name with DS9,which is the best and the most complex story in the Star Trek universe btw,but he most definitely does not belong in that generation,his sensitivity is completely different.
    Again,sorry for giving you credit,where it was not due!!

  158. Jim
    May 20, 2011 at 9:46 am |

    Oh and the guy and dvr numbers and your statements about that,I don’t have to go deep into that discussion,I believe you’ll know what I mean when I tell you that inventing numbers and things that never happened will get you nowhere.Try and focus to what you reading the next time and that way you won’t have to invent things that are supposed to show your knowledge of things.The effects are just the opposite!

  159. orfeu
    May 20, 2011 at 10:39 am |

    Well, you usually make stange statements with nothing to back them up. Like “season 1 of SG1 is unwatchable.” It is very good actually. Or that gem, “SGU on Fridays would increased its viewers. And that’s a fact!” Why would that be? Isn’t this a speculation without anything backing it up except hope? The fact that Sanctuary is doing bad on Monday is not proof, look what Urban Legends is doing on Friday (hint: not good). Now that’s a fact!

    And of course people don’t watch BSG, look at the ratings, see how it does in syndication. As far as I know there aren’t many lining up for it. There isn’t any actually. NBC managed to make a distant last when it dared to air some episodes, and that was before it got really bad.

    W13 for its final episode, not the Christmas special, had 2.4m live and around 3.4m SD+7. I think these are the numbers.

    So what am I reading wrong? What do you have to back up your story except your “superior taste” in television?

  160. jon889
    May 20, 2011 at 11:31 am |

    This article shows how much DVR and timeshifted viewing has become more important: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/news/bulletin_110520_01/The_Impossible_Astronaut_Breaks_Records

    Instead of Direct to DVD market, it should be the Direct to Web/iTunes market.

  161. Mr. Oragahn
    Mr. Oragahn
    May 20, 2011 at 1:32 pm |

    SGU went down because SGA, a rather mediocre show, thanks to Joseph Mallozzi, was totally struggling, with the last season an improbable victory considering no one thought s5 would pass.
    So SGA was bad, but it managed to gather fans who were satisfied with it. Don’t ask. People truly incapable of criticism.
    Then, SGU tried to be more serious than even early SG-1, while at the same time failing to be very original, not hesitating to show its BSG influences and completely drop the exotism and any possible camp.
    In fact, despite the fact that SGA was a bad show, a very badly written show with absolutely shallow characters for the vast majority of them, it had far more potential than SGU.
    A bottleship show with people endlessly bickering, only to be interrupted by the non thrilling intrusion of the Lucian Alliance… it could only fail to attract a new audience.

    If people don’t watch a show live, it’s because they consider that there are more important things to do. In general, when you really dig a show, it climbs at the top of your leisure priorities, and you don’t even make an effort to sit in front of the telly : you WANT it. You don’t want to miss a single episode.

    SGU failed. Its aliens were annoying, there was no true motivating fantastic scope, the action was bland, flat and insipid, there was no pressure, and later on, no clear magnificent goal to achieve. The meaning of life and all that was barely motivating the inhabitants of the ship itself dammit!

    Actually, it’s the same lack of scope that also castrated the show. Destiny itself was tepid. The sets were nicely done, no doubt, but look at that thing. It grey-brown all over the place. If it’s supposed to be a ship that’s going to be inhabitated by people sent to the edge of space to find an answer to the universe, do you really think they’d just cram them into a depressing and glorified submarine called Destiny???

    Who were they kidding?

    Where are the ecopsheres? The gardens? The large hallways? The artificial rivers, leisure zones, artistic plazas so you don’t die of boredom?

    Destiny should have been a space colony to begin with, not a cramped tincan with one shower and wherein there was one implied yet obvious challenge: be the last to commit suicide.

    In a way, it’s not surprising. Atlantis’ architecture itself was a mega letdown. There’s no way a population would accept to live in such a “city” that’s just an endless labyrinth of corridors and greyish towers, and there’s no way one would install the stargate at the top of a tower that also serves as a departure for other space ships. It’s boundlessly silly.

    SGU, SGA’s reboot in a way as it finally decided to put people on board a space ships “truly” isolated from Earth, was just more of the same, with more alien sets to mask the fact that the show was simply not strong enough.

    It’s not surprising that Stargate as a whole has fallen. There was no way it could do any better.

    Darren, you’ve been holding a position that prevented from being objective about the show’s quality, because for any criticism you’d raise, the more you’d get closed doors when trying to stay in contact with the staff.

    Now check this out. What you reasonnably cannot say, others do:


  162. Tommylandz
    May 21, 2011 at 3:20 pm |

    Unreal… SyFy, you just lost another loyal viewer. Seriously Wrestling? You —-ing sell outs.. Bring SGU back.

  163. Onealwasoverrated
    May 22, 2011 at 9:32 am |

    Syfy bossman: Your show fails bye.
    Joe: But, but, you fail.

    Seriously take the show somewhere else. Syfy was never about making real scifi television. I watched that network from the time it was created and they started out as nothing more than a ragtag compilation of already existing lowbudget show’s the USA network observed did well enough against their standard programming (USA sucked then) to support another network. So they aired those shows and did well enough to throw some money at those shows for returning seasons and called it SciFi original programming. So don’t feed me that hogwash about taking risks, Stargate was a gold mine for them when they found it and has been for years. Wrestling is their new gold mine. But like the guys said they are in the business to make money. It’s just sad that they have to be such vultures and that I have absolutely no reason to tune in to their station anymore.

  164. Mr. Oragahn
    Mr. Oragahn
    May 22, 2011 at 8:11 pm |

    Well… when people will realize that Stargate was at its best on Showtime…

  165. SyFyBannedMe
    May 22, 2011 at 9:40 pm |

    CE and the cronies @ SyFail are just following the weak model that they have available to them.

    Rather than come up with some better system of measuring their true viewership, they would rather sit back and die along with the rest of the dinosaurs.

    There are some that are taking new media and distribution methods to heart. I don’t know if you have noticed, but Fringe has started doing more and more product placement WITHIN THE SHOW. So do other FOX shows, such as Bones, House, etc.

    Why? Because they know once the show reaches the other distribution methods, the reasons for their sponsors supporting those shows (advertisers) go out the window unless they do something about it. In comes product placement.

    As long as it isn’t super intrusive and doesn’t detract from the plot and story of the show, it is well worth it for a Toyota or a Lincoln to pay for a nice product placement.

    SyFy and the rest of the dinosaurs will never count online distribution number of viewers for one simple reason. There are no commercials. Why count viewers that advertisers don’t care about? I’m surprised they even bothered to count the +7 numbers, considering the majority of those viewers probably skip the recorded commercials. They probably counted them as half (prove me wrong SyFail).

    Put more product placement in your shows and start counting ALL DISTRIBUTION METHODS. (Yes, even torrents, cuz guess what? Your product placements are still in those torrents).


  166. jjsdad
    May 23, 2011 at 1:39 am |

    I have to wonder with moving the times and days of the week how much does it affect the viewers. Second is personally Syfy times don’t work for me I would rather watch on Netflix and am happy to pay for the convenience. How much is streaming affecting the so called viewer numbers? Have you noticed that a lot of Syfy after prime hours they are showing Stargate Sg-1 and Sg-a and Showtime is also showing Sg-1 their is an audience for Stargate series. I have a feeling this is not all over yet. Loved all the Stargates but I have to say with Universe they missed a big part of the adventure (actually using the stargate a bit more often???)

  167. lindak1960now
    May 23, 2011 at 4:31 am |

    The one think I have to add about ratings and torrents etc is that here in Australia I couldn’t download the show from Itunes or any other legal site, though I would have been happy to pay to do so and therefore support the show. The only way I could have watched SGU was by subscribing to “cable” TV – at a minimum of around $1000 per annum, that was not an option. The only way I could watch it then was by using a torrent system. SGU has only started showing on free-to-air in the last 3 months or so – I think they are still on season 1. I’m not sure of the accessibility status of other non-USA coutries , but I wonder if that had an effect on the export sales of the series??? cheers

  168. saxgod
    May 23, 2011 at 4:14 pm |

    Well this is what I was trying to say as well that the executive guy was pointing at Tuesdays like the time of the year didn’t matter, which we all know executives aren’t that dumb. I honestly believe that SyFy gave SGU a two year deal and saw the negative reaction and did everything they could to kill it and now are making up every excuse to claim it wasn’t their fault. Put Warehouse 13 in the fall and see what happens. Honestly the only show I would scream loudly about if cancelled is Eureka. So if they got rid of Warehouse 13 over SGU I would be just fine with that or better yet Haven, ugh. I like the shows, better then copy cat Being Human, cause I see better on BBC-A, but I don’t know. I feel like now we have no place to watch Stargate and if it’s brought back it won’t be the Stargate I love. It will be something different cause MGM will try to “Reboot” it. I don’t want a Reboot. I want my Stargate back and if they try doing Stargate without the guys who did such great television from when I was 17 to 30 then F-em. I’m tired of getting screwed around. I LOVE TV. LOVE IT. And Syfy has burned us all so bad this time it’s disgusting. I hope we get a miracle, because I’m worried Stargate maybe gone for a lot longer then we all think.

  169. scififan
    May 24, 2011 at 9:09 am |

    When will it be possible to buy the seasons in Itunes(outside USA) or another distributor, and why is the no live streaming up and running? We live in the 21st century, and still the television business hasn’t moved on from analogue signals.
    hallo, hallo, are you there? There is a gigantic market on the internet, broadcast the show to the internet, and let the whole world buy your shows in stead of only the states.
    It is soo 20th century to only focus on the local market, think “new” and practical. Reduce the number of torrent users to a bare minimum. Many of todays torrent users are only doing it because they have no other “acceptable” means to watch the great shows. People don’t want to wait until the season DVD is out to watch the show, and people want to see a pilot before buying the whole season. The way things are today is a shame!!! Buckle up and get in the game! “please”

  170. killabyte1981
    May 24, 2011 at 10:26 am |

    I am very disappointed with the cancellation of SGU. Why does dvr affect the ratings? During most of season 2 I worked nights and couldn’t watch it when it aired so I had to watch it on demand through Comcast. It shouldn’t matter how it was watched as long as it was watched. I can see how downloading it on the net can affect the ratings though. before I knew it was on demand that’s the way I got my SGU fix. Plus there are people who have other shows that come on at the same time that sgu did and they would rather dvr sgu and watch the other show. Syfy is getting retarded, they cancel the good shows then replace them with super retarded cheesy shows who’s actors need some more acting classes. For example pretty much all the made for SyFy movies, and Haven just to name a few. Shows they need to bring back and have new episodes SGA, SGU, Jericho, and Terminator: SCC. Without Stargate I have no reason to watch syfy. Unless Syfy brings back new episodes of one of the previously mentioned series then I will not even tune my tv to SYFY at all. My theory is by doing this SYFY will lose more ratings rather then get more.

  171. killabyte1981
    May 24, 2011 at 11:05 am |

    Oh yeah I forgot about Wrestling. WTF Wrestling is not Scifi. The people who watch Wrestling are most people that don’t watch scifi. Out of all my friends that watch Wrestling not one watches scifi. In-fact the only time they tune in to SyFy is when they have Wrestling. I can see why Syfy would like to make money on Wrestling like that but come on put it on one of your other networks. Furthermore I think that SyFy’s CEO’s can sacrifice a few million dollar cars for there fans besides they probably have 5 million dollar cars anyway why do they need anymore? I live on the brink of poverty the only thing keeping me from going insane is my shows. So Syfy maybe you should listen to the fans of your shows and count how many of them are pissed about you canceling them. Maybe you could find a better time slot that works better for SGU, or maybe mgm will find a network that will take on sgu and find a good time slot then get all the riches you thought you was losing out on.

  172. killabyte1981
    May 24, 2011 at 12:41 pm |

    Hey everyone let’s learn a lesson from this and stop downloading shows from the net. I if you can’t watch the show maybe you can leave a small tv on during the show even if you are dvr ing it so the pencil pushers at syfy can get their stupid ratings so our shows don’t get canceled. Frankly I am disgusted by syfy’s new line up. I like Amanda Tapping but Sanctuary I think blows. W13 was ok but I still couldn’t get into it. From my point of view all the Stargates had there rockey starts but all of them grew into there big boy pants if you know what I mean. For those of you that want to act like the only good series was sg-1, I think your just afraid of change. With SGA they did have some bad seasons but every story has its ups and downs you have to take the good with the bad if you want to get the whole story the way the writers intended. SGA season 5 i thought was paving the way for some great seasons ahead with the re-introduction of the as-guard. Maybe they should revisit SGA and do an alternate timeline, maybe the ancients could find themselves biting off a little more then they could chew and then have to go back and stop themselves from making McKay and the others leave and ailing themselves with the as-guard as well to finish off the wraith once and for all just to find a new enemy that had the wraith shaking in their boots. I know that was a run on sentience btw. I have a few other scenarios in mind for bring back sga. And Maybe SGA could stand for Stargate Alliance. MGM if you use this idea all I want is a mention in the credits and a spot on the show or maybe you could bring me in as a writer you have my email address :) lol. As for SGU if you don’t like the new style then I don’t think you can call yourselves Stargate fans.I like the new style. Note to MGM I am just dying to know about that episode where they go to a planet where there is some freaky stuff going on and they try and get off the planet but go back in time to the same planet then it happens all over again but this time they find the kino. Whats up with that? What was the point of that episode if you are never going to show us what happend? I have looked all over the net trying to figure out what happened.

  173. les 2004
    les 2004
    May 26, 2011 at 11:11 am |

    I really love this series of Stargate, its modern up-to-date, but ratings are low because I guess its not on mainstream tv, well here in the UK anyhow. If it goes out on a friday night then most people also go out on a friday/saturday night and dont stay in to watch tv so you would never have high viewing figures. I must admit I would have some of the characters done away with(bumped off by a professional hitman). Eli is just an arrogant piece of **** and Rush is well needs a good wash,he must be stinking by now. I guess its the characters they have to play and fit into, Scott and Greer are great best two in the series, but sadly there is never enough action on the planets they visit, there needs to be much more, sometimes just too bland, and they also need to discover much more of Destiny and what it is capable off, as its a bit boring always seeing the same, otherwise the show is fantastic and I can never have enough of stargate universe. It would be such a tragedy if it were no longer made.

  174. lordolemons
    May 26, 2011 at 3:29 pm |

    @killabyte1981, well the whole point of the end of that episode was that you assume that the kino did go back it time, eli gets scotts message, they recover the aliens in time and get back to the ship before the gate starts to malfunction, Either that or you can also assume that Scotts message led to another loop in the timeline, which led to another, and so on untill the loops are broken and the time line can continue.

  175. lmaceleighton
    May 27, 2011 at 1:19 pm |

    Something that people don’t talk about when it comes to why show get cancelled is how the cable Co. pick who they use for ratings. Like what makes someone a good Nielson family? Well after years of dealing with people in the cable industry around here it appears its just given away to those trying to get a deal on their cable. Even just giving them away at random would be better than just giving them to friends and family of those working at the cable company. I just dont think there are as many watching sci-fi that also have a Nielson box. I know the type they give boxes to around here and it isn’t the type that watch SGU unfortunately…its almost like its fixxed… :O(

  176. acey916
    June 1, 2011 at 6:28 pm |

    Both are great series, but SGU and SGA are nothing a like… SGA has more of the old skool SG1 feel to it…. and SGU is a drama set in space. Us all being fellow stargate fans Im sure we all know the distinctions between the 2. Anyways my point is does anyone think that maybe the change of attitude of SGU had anything to do with it?? Like if they made more of a feel good atmosphere to it, it might have done better?? Like SG1 and SGA, I wonder how the set on SGU was compared to the SGA and SG1 sets (almost the same) Ill always remember Teal’c (Judge) saying in an interview that “Fun always comes first, If you have a joke then shooting the scene has to wait, that its a very relaxed set” I wonder if SGU had any of the same beliefs about the set. Because the way the show is staged it doesnt seem like it. But SGU is a great piece of Art really, its a great series even tho it does differ a lot from the original Stargate feel.

  177. gowzer86
    June 4, 2011 at 4:54 am |

    Can’t believe they would do this to fans, i just became a member today to join in on this. MGM at least owe us the right of closure for SGU; i mean all the money they made off the SG1 and SGA they could have easily invested in a mini series. As for the ratings row i have to say it’s a 50/50 argument from what i’ve read on here. it’s the way the world works if it doesn’t make money it’s not worth doing. I think someone has to step up and justify what has been done. it’s not just SGU that’s ended it’s the end of stargate fullstop. and to leave us with no ending is crap. i live in the UK and i could wait till it airs on sky1(which btw hasn’t finished yet) but i loved it too much and i’m very impatient so i watch it online by any means i can. so i doubt my views would be counted or the other 2 views when i watch it again with my partner as i put it on a memory stick and watch it on the big screen. syfy in the end i can only blame you for the outcome of what has happened. there is that many tablet pcs mobile phones and laptops that people are constantly on so i think online streaming is most peoples prefered( well not prefered but easily accessible) so ratings of all shows are going to drop, the only ones that won’t drop will be reality as u need to watch it live or it defeats the purpose. and personally i prefer it online as there is no ads.

    In Summary of my rant i’m just absolutely GUTTED that it’s finished. and just hope that someone will bring it back. if there is any way just sign me up.

  178. zanllanz
    June 15, 2011 at 9:56 am |

    if all these channels keep canceling shows, maybe its time these producers bring their shows to some some chinese channels and find ways to tap into the china market. and low production cost in china. this way at least fans don’t get cut off in the middle of a good show. if these channels wont support the shows then bring the business to someone else and let them find their own programs

  179. Onewingedangel
    June 21, 2012 at 4:40 pm |

    Everyone go to this link


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