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Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
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Seriously, they wanted to end the season with a coin flip? Not the most exciting of season cliff hangers is it really?

Grif
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not a series or season finale in any way. that goes for both versions.

The destiny
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@ Jedi_Master_Bra’tac: Let’s be happy they didn’t do that then ;)

A lot of these idea’s sound great. The last one might actually be the coolest.. a military contingent of the descendants!

Lee_Machine
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JM’s past few blogs posts have been very interesting. Take a look at today’s post where he calls BS on most of Craig Engler/SyFy’s reasoning behind why they cancelled SGU. I doubt he cares if he is burning bridges since they killed the franchise that gave him a steady writing job for 10+ years. http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/ If anyone from SyFy is reading this you do know it’s not just hardcore Stargate fans that hate you now, right? You’re the Sony of broadcasting companies. You pissed of the fans that made your network a success. It’s us, not the lot that watches… Read more »

Petra
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That coin-flip sounds very JAG-like ;)

I think I would have enjoyed the final Young-Rush facedown and the season 3 opener sounds pretty cool, but honestly? I think the ending with Eli was even better. I truly loved it and I’m glad TPTB made the choice they did.

Bevarne
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@ Lee_Machine

Im totally with you, If they left it on Friday night and advertise it abit better Im more then sure we would be seeing season 3 right now! …. Ok we all know season 1 was a lame but season 2 ROCKED IT…

Im very Fracked off and will no longer watch SYFAIL channel AGAIN

Katikatnik
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I see people complaining about the advertisement – the show got a theatrical trailer, it was promoted high and low all over the place before its premiere, it even got a huge press event that went with the premiere. At some point, the show has to stand on its own legs, like every other show. It got a big push to draw outsiders to sample it – after that, it’s up to the writers to keep the attention of the masses. The show was turning into a money sucking black hole even before the first hiatus. A series with such… Read more »

Lee_Machine
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I don’t live in the US so I don’t know how advertising was, but they should have counted online downloads, and DRV recordings. SyFy should have put it online at Syfy.com with ads like what ABC did with LOST. They could even charge and be ad free. The point is they didn’t care enough to try. I understand anything but live viewers didnt make SyFy money, but rather MGM. Well change your model to fit the changing in viewing habits. Since they didn’t do that they have this horrible PR that will taint the network for many years to come.… Read more »

Coremae
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SYFy is a bunch of liars! People say the numbers for the series was off, and yes they were, but SyFy went above and beyond to do the show injustice. Why didn’t they bring back tough enough, or whatever that wrestling thing was from last season to contend with Tuesday nights, and just leave, SGU on Friday nights. Answer, well apparently, they grew tired of paying top dollar for SGU, and decided to do exactly what they did with SG1; use that money for cheaper shows. How do we know this? Well, we’re watchers and observers of which ever night… Read more »

Ace_love
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I wonder if there was any plans to have a 4th spin off, not so much about gate travel (although could of been a feature at some point) Its just with all the references to Homeworld Command, to me it sounded like they were plugging something.. Maybe it’s something they could to combine all three series in the future, why does it always have to be set in one area of the universe, use all 3… Maybe even announce to the world about the program, would be very interesting to see the struggles after that, whether there’d be uproar or… Read more »

Browncoat1984
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. We’ve seen what happens when a network puts their actions in their mouth and really proves that they love a sci-fi show. Fox and Fringe. SyFy can’t say ANYTHING about SGU and how much they “love it” after what Fox has done by showing support for Fringe, a series that has been struggling but constantly gets renewed. Similarily you can say the same about NBC and Chuck. Every year the series is on the bubble. People say it’ll get canceled and it gets renewed for a 13-episode season, followed by a… Read more »

DanMan
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Next week, Joe will reveal more in his blog.

Puddlejumper_1
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As in alternate ending I thought a movie was underway. I’m just still waiting for good news. Seems like week after week Stargate is getting further and further away. But I’m glad they didn’t go with this alternative ending, because whats the point of saying that you’re all family if you’re having a coin toss? Glad this didnt happen because it would have been a awful “series finale” if it did happen. Seriously, as the coin flips and descends the camera fades away? I might have to break something to fix the frustration of guessing what would happen. And I… Read more »

SGULIVESON
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Wow, that ending would have been pretty low, I’ve actually started writing a fanfic which was released today http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2911606/SGULIVESON

Darkthunder
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@Petra: Coin-flip at the end of the season/series, is indeed very JAG-like. Thought the same as you when I read it.

Furthermore, the “Season 3 opening concept” of having Rush seemingly on the ship all to himself for 3 years, being greeted by Telford etc, only to find out it was all a hallucination, gave me a bit of Voyager/Enterprise vibe. Both of those shows had similar “isolation”-stories, in which it turns out the main character was (7of9/T’Pol respectively) was merely hallucinating.

Phoenix7
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No offense to anyone, but some of these comments are hysterical, ie: ‘SyFy lies!’They cancelled SGU because they hated it!’The program director doesn’t like scifi!’, etc. Do any of you actually, really believe that ANY business is run that way? That the network execs allow programming to be done by somebody’s personal taste!? Look, I know that there’s alot of younger people on this site, but please, reality check… I loved SGU (after originally thinking I wouldn’t), but if it didn’t draw enough viewers to sustain it, then it didn’t. Yeah, SyFy is cheap with the $ (they’re owned by… Read more »

ELQ
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Rush dreaming for a whole episode, huh?

I personally *hate* hallucination/dreaming/ alternative-realities/ time-travel/ religion episodes/shows. When I rewatched SGU on Netflix recently, I passed over “Time”, “Pain”, “Cloverdale”. The episodes with the descendants (a time travel outcome) also didn’t sit well with me either.

I feel that these plotlines don’t progress the plot at all. I see them as fillers. And SGU already had a number of such episodes. Not good, for an otherwise excellent show.

Tng88
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The season/series finale was great, now if they would do something to finish up the SGU storyline.

I personally would enjoy seeing SGU being finished in a series novels.

Fenny
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I’m from the UK, so don’t have the same level of knowledge about US channels. However, I understand Syfy is one of the premium cable channels – one that people have to pay extra to get. With the ending of SGU, I guess all the people complaining about the lack of any actual scifi are going to cancel their subscriptions, so Syfy’s major income stream is going to fall. They still have to fill the same number of broadcast hours, even if it is with cheaper shows. So they still have to sell advertising, but within shows that probably don’t… Read more »

VengefulSpud
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@ELQ: You didn’t like “Time” ? Thought it was an unreal episode myself. Brilliant use of time-travel mumbojumbo. If it hadn’t been for the two previous time lines, the crew would’ve all been killed by the water contamination.

Yup, a coin-toss series finale for the Stargate franchise would not have sat well. I think Syfy would have been set on fire if they cancelled Stargate with an ending like that. If anything, the writers of the show really saved them with the Eli ending. And deserve to be able to make a film finale ! Reasonable enough really

Kevinmbaron
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I’ll tell you why Universe failed. There are many reasons of course. However the main reason is the show just didn’t feel like stargate. I did enjoy the show, alot in fact. But stargate fans didn’t show up, or did and most left. SG-1 is a perfect place to start. After Richard Dean Anderson left the fans stayed but not for long. You can easily say Anderson’s leaving killed SG-1. Atlantis was big at first, but it just wasn’t as good as SG-1. In the later seasons it did pick up in qaulity but the audience was already gone. Universe… Read more »

ELQ
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@VengefulSpud – “You didn’t like “Time”?”

I agree that it was a much better rendition of most time travel stories, but it was still time travel, and I have an allergy on that. :-)

ELQ
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@kevinmbaron — “the main reason is the show just didn’t feel like stargate” As I’ve written before, there was a remedy for that. The remedy was for MGM to not pitch the show on SyFy in the first place. Another channel/network should have carried SGU without this “legacy problem”, where existing SyFy Stargate viewers had a very strict definition of what they wanted to see on TV. On another channel, they could get both the old SG fans (and most would have bailed out, as they did), but a plethora of new kinds of viewers would have signed in. Viewers… Read more »

LoneStar1836
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@ Fenny. SyFy is not a premium cable channel. Yes you have to pay for a cable subscription to get it, but SyFy usually will come in a basic cable package. It’s not like say HBO/Showtime/STARZ (which I would call your “premium” channels) where you have to pay extra just to get only those channels. As to the proposed alternate ending, if the show had gotten another season, I don’t think I would have minded the coin toss as the cliffhanger. Glad they went with the Eli one though since it didn’t get another season. If it had been Rush… Read more »

Pagemasterrws
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This is news? Why do we care? The story is over…and I will not invest in another anything that SyFy has anything to do with again. Why would any clear thinking person do that. They have proven they could care less about the fans. Let em die slowly as others come to this conclusion.

Saddenfan
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Just like SG1 did- give us an ending on dvd, we’ll have a satisfing closure and you’ll have fans that will stay with you.

In3d
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Neat, I thought of idea #4 … most logical choice, but to upload himself would have consumed energy and possibly made Destiny fall short.

One thing I need to go back and figure out, I don’t remember them mentioning what happened to the descendants they picked up … the episode ended and they weren’t in the next episode. So, they must have been taken back to another planet or stayed on Destiny. Hmm. I must have missed something.

Boxvic
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Technically SyFy is a premium channel, because you pay for it in your cable/sat subscription. That is something that has been lost in the last 10 or 15 years to most American consumers. Part of your subscription fee actually goes to paying for the channels in your package, even the basic package. The problem is that subscriber fee’s have been going up and up and up but the fee’s that the service providers will agree to pay the channels is going down and down and down. The channels have no choice but to eventually agree to the lower rates or… Read more »

StargateJunkie
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Decent enough ending for the season finale, horrible ending for a series finale. Syfy, you really screwed up by canceling this show. The progress made after the poor first season was incredible. Kudos to the actors and writers for the giant improvement in episode quality. If they could accomplish that much in season 2, imagine what could have been done with a third season or more. As a longtime SG fan I loved seeing McKay (David Hewlett) guest star on SGU, had hoped to see more of him. Many people can’t watch the show live, and therefore watch it by… Read more »

StarFuryG7
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Eli was never “a fan favorite” of mine, although I didn’t mind with how the final episode ended, with him ‘maturing’ somewhat and making the choice to remain awake. But I think the other ending with Young and Rush had a lot of potential and in some ways might have been better. After all, those two men were very much at odds with one another much of the time, with Rush nearly being killed twice as a result of Young’s lack of patience with him. But then again, the coin toss flip and leaving an open question as to who… Read more »

Samcamfan
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I like the idea of them waking up 3 years down the line and interacting with more of their descendents. But I’m still with everyone else and feeling pissed as hell that they cancelled such a brilliant show. Yes, it had it’s flaws, but don’t ALL shows have their flaws? At least this one kept people entertained… unlike wrestling and all those reality shows they’ve got. So disappointed in that network. Hopefully HBO, Showtime, Netflix or SOMEONE will revive Stargate Universe… even if just for a mini-series or one last season to finish things PROPERLY. Guess it’s up to us… Read more »

Jim
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Thank God they didn’t go with the coin toss,that would’ve been awful!
And @phoenix7 I’m 33,maybe that’s young to you,I’m also aware there are many younger ppl than me here,but your patronising tone is just funny.Even more by YOUR obvious lack of media business understanding,something those kids you refer to will,or do eat for breakfast!
If you knew anything about it you’d be aware that SGU is just a symptom of a much more serious disease and of tha fact that SyFy just commited business suicide!

Aquaman
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Never gonna never gonna never gonna… I will never watch anything on See Fee (FI, Fo, oh so Dumb) channel again. Killing probably the best written North American SCI FI (space based) programme was a grave mistake but it is like that typical Americana attitude, if not invented here, then it is not promoted or supported. See Fee did not create SG’s, they bought them in from other broadcaster channels and then killed it just as they did oh let’s see: Farscape, Lexx, I could make a long long list, but we all know the story. See Fee only likes… Read more »

Katikatnik
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I understand that SGU’s fans are upset. I was upset about SGA’s cancellation and this year, when CBS canned Chaos. But honestly, if the failure of SGU was all SyFy related, another network would’ve jumped at the chance to air the show. But not even SPACE – where it was still doing reasonably well, despite a 40% drop off – picked it up. The show just wasn’t delivering for its price. BW was trying to shop it around and nobody bought it, which is pretty telling, I think. And I would agree with those SyFy blamers, if the show was… Read more »

Phoenix7
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@ Jim…First of all, there was nothing “patronising” about my tone at all, sir, and if you’re 33, I wasn’t referring to you at all. So you’re saying that a business ACTING as a business is an “obvious lack of media business understanding”? How so? I think you have that reversed; media business = $. Where’s the misunderstanding, Jim? BTW, my ‘obvious lack of understanding’ comes from a GF who worked 3 years for CBS news, then 5 years for Columbia Tri-Star pictures; maybe you’d like to straighten her out, hmmm? Look, you’re entitled to whatever feelings and opinions you… Read more »

StarFuryG7
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The “audience loss” was there from the beginning, when this show made its debut. “Stargate” as a brand had already been eroding in terms of viewership prior to SGU even being created, and I don’t believe that it’s because people stopped watching altogether–either this show or its predecessors necessarily. The problem is two-fold and is rooted in the age we now live in, wherein people can watch shows when they care to and when it’s convenient for them rather than when any given station decides to broadcast it. So you have a good show, such as SGU, that probably had… Read more »

Orfeu
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@Jim:
“If you knew anything about it you’d be aware that SGU is just a symptom of a much more serious disease and of tha fact that SyFy just commited business suicide!”

How is canceling a show not liked by many a business suicide? Can you elaborate on this? What is that serious disease? Common sense? wich finally prevailed and convinced some suits that the soup opera in space doesn’t do well with people?

StarFuryG7
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What does it say about a country whose people prefer the kind of silly fluff offered up in shows like “Warehouse 13” compared to a much more serious-minded drama like SGU that actually dares you to think about what’s going on and what you might be inclined to do in any of the kinds of situations the crew of the Destiny find themselves confronted by in any given episode? Has there ever been a more ridiculous, mentally arrested adolescent character than Eddie McClintock’s Pete in “Warehouse 13”? And yet, apparently that’s the kind of nonsense people prefer to watch apparently.

LoneStar1836
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@boxvic who wrote: “Technically SyFy is a premium channel, because you pay for it in your cable/sat subscription. That is something that has been lost in the last 10 or 15 years to most American consumers.” I don’t think that is lost on most paying for cable/sat. I don’t class it as a premium channel because for the people “claiming” they are going to cancel their subscription to SyFy, well that essentially means they are dumping their entire cable/satellite subscription. It’s not like people dropping Showtime and Showtime only when it stopped airing SG-1. You can’t just toss Skiffy under… Read more »

Crayg
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The fact that the writers decide what to do based on coin flips explains a lot about SGU.

StarFuryG7
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Does the same apply to the writers of “JAG”, who ended that show with a coin flip after ten seasons?

Alf33
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I really liked the ending that they aired and think it was the best one they came up with. I’m glad SyFy didn’t use any of the others. As a fan who watched Stargate since it began airing on SciFi after coming over from Showtime I liked all the versions. However I think it’s wrong for some people to attack the previous versions or other SyFy shows just because they aren’t as engaging with their subject matter. I didn’t really care for the darker side of SGU at first but came to like it as the writing got better. That… Read more »

Ancient Scientist
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The ending of SGU wasn’t too bad–unlike the Atlantis ending….

Here I was thinking that the episode was going to be a cliffhanger (and I hate cliffhangers–especially if there’s no resolution). To me it wasn’t really a cliffhanger cause it ended where SGU could continue–if it wasn’t canned–or end (while still having a good ending).

To me SGU got a better ending than Atlantis. Atlantis was mainly about them being in the pegasus galaxy….
I don’t know.. maybe I’m still mad at the ending of Atlantis…

Anyway, I’m glad they choose this ending for SGU. The original one would just been soooo lame.

Icnbaw
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we need to get everyone who wants this show back to email the syfy network tell everyone we know to contact them. post all your friends on facebook,myspace any social network you can think of. [email protected] tell them we want it back!!! I have.

Mythos
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@Lee_Machine – Paid downloads would have factored into MGM’s decision. But obviously MGM didn’t see indication of enough people being willing to pay. Torrent downloads do not and never will factor into such decisions because it’s not paying the bills. As for Syfy showing it online with commercials, this may not have been an option available to them. Distribution rights can be very specific. As for the $500 million – that was not for Stargate. That was capital to jumpstart production on new projects. Some of it may have gone to Stargate, but not likely much of it if any.… Read more »

Jcookjapan
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They should have Eli use the chair to download ancient knowledge so he can fix the pod since he might deduce after a week he was doomed anyway. I would have liked him to tap into ancient knowledge for at least a little while so he can turn some more of the ship on and get it running for once.

Lightmaker
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Did anyone pitch the Stargate world to the Chinese? If they can finance America, they can finance Stargate. Stargate might even be cheaper.
CHINESE SCI-FI Fans Unite. We’re a little short of cash to keep the franchise alive. How are you doing for cash? Could ya kinda keep things running? We could use a superhero.

Think about it. We think Sci-Fi is a good investment, when done correctly,

Thank You!

NagatoYuki
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Seriously. There is no way to get the tv and film Industry to listen to fans aside from a complete and utter boycott of the programs they may produce. MGM makes a new sci fi series you dont watch it. If you watch Sy-Fy its turn just stop watching it. However seriously that could never happen. If the powers that be don’t want to do anymore with teh franchise then they should be willing to give it to someone who wants it no cash down. If I was George Lucas and I didn’t want to do anything more with the… Read more »

Kronos
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I just cancelled my cable TV that was the last show that I really wanted to watch. Now I’ll just make do ripping anything I want to watch straight from the net. Move that digit to the other column.

Btc909
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Stargate needs to get away from the Sy-Fry channel & MGM.