75 Responses

  1. Nikst
    Nikst
    (87 comments)
    November 26, 2009 at 6:48 pm |

    @Julian: I agree on just about everything you said. The chair should have been the A story and Wray the b story and nothing else. This instead turned out to be an episode of just character development and the science ended up being the E story. I don’t mind character development but they tried to develop EVERYBODY in this episode! That could never ever work! They should always have a sci-fi story being the A story and have ONE character develop, maybe two if their stories intersect. Like LOST, they concentrate on just one character per episode, everybody else might develop if they are involved with the story of that particular character, otherwise there in the background.

    Life was like a cook trying to make a dish and decides to throw in EVERY SINGLE ingredient he’s got. Can you spell DISASTER? Hopefully “Justice” will put SGU back on track

  2. Nikst
    Nikst
    (87 comments)
    November 26, 2009 at 6:50 pm |

    with ingredients in this case being every character

  3. Ziel
    Ziel
    (4 comments)
    November 26, 2009 at 7:34 pm |

    I agree that the scenes on Earth tainted the episode.I’m personally not a massive fan of this ”drama on Earth” idea that the LRC stones have brought up, however in saying that I did think that these Earth scenes were more bareable than the Earth scenes from the episode ”Earth”.
    I thought that the going-ons onboard the Destiny were the highlight of the episode. I feel that the discovery of the chair could pull SGU back into being ”Stargatey”.
    IMHO I found this to be on of the best episodes yet. To put this in perspective this is only the second SGU episode that I’ve rewatched thus far apart from ”Air (Part II)”.
    And Yes because of the chair.

  4. s09119
    s09119
    (5 comments)
    November 26, 2009 at 7:37 pm |

    I really find this the first review for SGU that I flat-out disagree with. To me, this was one of the best episodes yet, and I didn’t mind for a second that the “In your face science” moments were taking a backseat to more subtle uses of technology and character development.

  5. oury
    oury
    (1 comments)
    November 26, 2009 at 8:42 pm |

    I totally agree with the review. IMO, this was one of the worst episode of all three Stargate series. The whole time I was hoping for the chair to be something, but it never was … they only focused on the relationships back on earth. Maybe by season 4 I would care about things like this, but so far I don’t even like these characters. If this was SG1 or SGU then someone would have sat down in that chair and some big things would have happened. My favorite episode of the season so far has been “Time”, but all other ones were just so-so. I hope the next two before the break will be better; I so much want this to be a good show. I’ve been very disappointed so far. Give us some science fiction!

  6. Mitchell82
    Mitchell82
    (23 comments)
    November 26, 2009 at 9:28 pm |

    I completely disagree with this review. I will contend that it may be the weakest ep of the series but it was still a great ep with plenty of character development, exploration, intrigue and drama. I quite liked Life.

  7. ekiel
    ekiel
    (3 comments)
    November 26, 2009 at 9:35 pm |

    Yes, it was bad.
    One thing I have to disagree with is “Rush’s complete lack of care for other people’s lives”.
    Rush never said anything about forcing someone on the chair. Someone might have been willing to take the chance, Greer even offered it although possibly in jest.
    Imho Young has shown himself as quite an incompetent military leader.

  8. New Guy
    New Guy
    (7 comments)
    November 26, 2009 at 9:36 pm |

    What I like about SGU:

    – new camera style
    – high budget digital effects
    – great new sets and set pieces
    – The kino which allows for a more direct interaction with characters
    – The premise of a crew that is not ‘up to par’ stranded on an incredible ship many light years away

    What I loathe about SGU:

    – Lack of any sense of adventure
    – Constant drama
    – Incessant ‘hooking up’ and body swapping rape
    – Lack of action
    – Molasses like pacing

  9. Kosh
    Kosh
    (63 comments)
    November 26, 2009 at 9:44 pm |

    A good review of a terrible episode. The Sci-Fi really has taken a back seat to the drama. Personally, I think they’re trying too hard to create drama even just on Destiny itself – let alone all this garbage on Earth. The sheer fact that government actually allows all these people (inc civilians) to use the stones to go out and mingle and get trashed in public just blows my mind. It reeks of desperation to create extra drama that’s completely unnecessary for what’s apparently a Stargate show.

    It’s very disheartening to me knowing that they’ve already finished with Season 1 because that means this sort of drama is just going to continue. At best, all I can hope for is that the negative feedback is noted and taken into consideration if and when they begin writing Season 2.

  10. Tanith
    (305 comments)
    November 26, 2009 at 9:55 pm |

    Kinda disagree on this review. I would agree that it is one of the weaker episodes of SGU thus far but it wasn’t bad, there were some aspects that I liked.

    We got an insight on what the day to day life is like on the Destiny, the beginning of formations of “camps” for control of the ship, the introduction of the chair etc.

    Would agree that they really should stop going to Earth so often though, if they do I hope that there’s larger gaps between visits that we see on screen. I would rather have more time seeing what’s happening on the Destiny.

    As far as I can tell the next episode is going to be on-board the Destiny, don’t see character drama on Earth happening much in it.

  11. universacred
    universacred
    (68 comments)
    November 26, 2009 at 10:01 pm |

    Way the writers trying to force all the “character development” meh nonsense thing is not boring at all. I’m curious what else they can so easily put out of their… closets.

    I’m still care about the one frikkin’ person – Dr. Rush. No more, no less.

  12. janet99
    janet99
    (24 comments)
    November 26, 2009 at 10:37 pm |

    This episode would have been great if not for the hopeless amount of time wasted on Earth drama scenes. Maybe one day someone will show versions of all the SG-U episodes without the Earth scenes, then it would probably be an extremely enjoyable program to watch.

    Short, but very entertaining.

    There is so much potential in this series, but it is being so badly wasted with the plain boring teen drama angle.

  13. Bemused
    Bemused
    (1 comments)
    November 26, 2009 at 10:42 pm |

    I have to admit I find your review rather ironic considering fan complaints of both SG1 and SGA largely centred around a lack of character oriented storylines in the past.

    I agree, the chair is an extremely interesting and important discovery, but spending an entire episode focussing soley on it, and a debate on if someone would sit in it/who would sit in it would have soon become trite. SG1 already did more than one episode involving the consequences of sitting in it, so that would have been repetative and then fans would be complaing about recycled plot lines. Not to mention at the moment they have no logical way of dealling with the effects. It would also have wasted the chair’s potential in my opinion. Because they used it with a little more subtlety in this epsisode they will be able to keep using it in the future.

    The juxtaposition between the immediacy of Earth represented by the stones and the actual, physical distance and limitations is facinating and well explored in this episode. It also showed the variety of issues the crew and their family’s faced. Also by focussing one episode on the “earth” storylines the stones can, hopefully, fade more into the backround and the new character story threads can be woven into the season with the more classic scifi oriented episodes finding a balance between the two.

    I love Stargate in all its forms, from the movie to SG1 through SGA and SGU does feel different. From its cast to its premise it is different, but that doesn’t make it less. I do not think Stargate has ever had a character as complex or ambivilent as Rush. Stargate has always been about the ‘right’ people on the job of tring to save humanity. Now we have the wrong people on the job, simply tring to save themselves. With a total of 15 seasons and three movies between SGA and SG1 most of the sci fi plots have been thouroughly explored. If I want to watch regurgitated plot lines occuring in the same formula as in the past I will simply re-watch my favourite episodes rather than be annoyed with SGU for trying to recreate pale imitations. In order to keep the franchise fresh and invigorated formulamatic change is inevetable. I do not begrudge the show for trying to draw in more viewers because it means the franchise will continue to go on. If SGU continues I think there is a better chance of seing more SG1 and SGA movies, doing what those shows do best, while SGU finds its own ‘path’. It is more of a cousin to the original series than the sister show Atlantis was? Absolutely. Does that have to be a bad thing? No.

  14. Gaeth
    Gaeth
    (103 comments)
    November 26, 2009 at 11:13 pm |

    What Stargate fan cares? I do. You obviously have never watched the O.C. or Days of Our Lives. Unfortunately I’ve been subjected to them repeatedly, especially the later when I lived with my sibling. If you watched them at all you wouldn’t make that comparison, not about this episode. There’s no accounting for taste but an untruth is an untruth. By the way, I didn’t think someone on psych meds could be in active duty military, at least not front line combat, nor special forces, and definitely off world (if it was real). @Bemused: You see the right of it.

  15. zack
    zack
    (80 comments)
    November 26, 2009 at 11:59 pm |

    I largely agree with the above review. Although I liked LIFE, and, in its own way, thought it had outstanding moments, I also thought the CHAIR or something like that should have been the focus.
    I really like SGU,and while the various backstories exploring each character have been important and good, this last episode has really hopefully finished that strong emphsis and, indeed, it’s time that SF things and STARGATE things return to the focal point. So, while I thought LIFE was good, it was also my least favorite episode to this point as well. Acting was great, nice to exfoliate the gay relationship, Greer is developing to be one of really favorite characters so far… but lets move away from character development now and back to what SG is so good at.
    (Of course, since all the episodes for the first season are already filmed, one can only hope that the Producers have the same feeling).LOL!

  16. HBMC
    HBMC
    (23 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 12:22 am |

    I disagree with the review in almost every respect.

    The episode was called ‘Life’. It’s goal was to show life aboard the destiny. The way the episode was bookended with the song and brief glimpses and everyone was doing was the whole point of the episode. And ‘too much drama’ is a silly thing to say.

    It seems that when people don’t get character development everyone complains. Then when they do it’s ‘too much’.

    I thought the revelation of Scott’s son was a good way to develop his character as it impacts him on the Destiny (he now has someone back at home to think about). The Young/Telford thing was hardly an A plot, and is something that has been brewing for quite some time (and after Earth needed to be dealt with).

    And the reviewer seems to have completely missed TJ’s contribution to the episodes, and the look into the —lives— (hence, ‘Life’) of all the other characters on the Destiny.

    Life was great because it gave us development and showed us what the Destiny is like, plus it moved things forward (the chair, Spencer, Young v Telford, developed Scott) and so on.

  17. Jenks
    Jenks
    (54 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 2:09 am |

    Horrible review, it read like the rantings of a bitter Atlantis fan, since when did Gateworld stoop to posting this kind of crap? Over-opinionated, full of mistakes, ew, I hope this isn’t a sign of things to come…

  18. vanity01
    vanity01
    (10 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 3:25 am |

    I am a loyal fan of Stargate, have bought both boxsets… I am so sorry, even as a most loyal fan, I am bored to death and cannot continue watching this series…. perhaps I don’t like so much drama, and miss the adventure. There are a few likeble charachters (Young and Eli), but even they can’t keep me watching this every week. For the first time in my life, I have fallen asleep during 2 episodes and where Stargate is concerened, that is seriously a problem for me. I used to be so excited for SG, waiting anxiously for the next episode…. now… zzzzzz Sorry, But I really tried…

  19. US06154
    US06154
    (73 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 6:19 am |

    Finally, a review that flat out came and said “this was garbage” (okay my words, not his). I had always wondered if people associated with Gateworld was hand tied in expresing actual sentiments about an episode, for fear of reprisals either in loss of freebees (backstage passes, meet and greet offers, Presskits etc.,) or complete cut off from getting any info via the show runners. I would think first and foremost, if one runs a website such as Gateworld, there has to be some affinity to Journalism. so unless one writes to a gossip rag, Journalistic integrity has to come through, at least once in a while. After listening to the Life Podcast, and reading this review, I see a glimmer of hope that their journalistic license is not compromised.

    On the other hand there’s always a few people like Tanith (for hitherto unknown reasons), who always likes to convey the message of “this Episode was great, but wait, AFAIK, the next episode is even better.” and This, this person garners from a 15 second clip? or perhaps is a mole working for someone or IS someone who has knowledge of what’s to happen in a future episode?

    @jenks; this is not the only review/er that had given a blackeye to this episode, over 95% of ALL reviews on the ‘net for this episode gives it a thumbs down.

    I think the “Time” has come for us to get back to “Earth”, and get on with “Life”. I amost ran out of “Air” with that rant, let me go get a glass of “Water”. :D

  20. US06154
    US06154
    (73 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 6:33 am |

    Forgot to add my 2 cents on the chair. After watching SG for well over a decade, we only knew the “Ancient Repository” to be a face grabbing, brain munching device. so how come Rush with his “clearly ancient” (and he probably wasn’t referring to the pile of dust on it) dentists chair, which we the viewers were made to believe on all previous episodes, to be some kind of Control Chair (Weapons, Star Navigation etc.,)? To me it was almost like walking down a corridor of Destiny and finding a candy bar (if one could identify a hundreds of thousands year old candy bar), and saying, “Oh look, a candy bar. Sure we don’t have any food, but we’d better leave that alone” and just go on walking whistling a merry tune.

  21. Darren
    (276 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 7:00 am |

    @US06154: We not only have a good amount of studio support for the site, but we count many of TPTB as friends, to greater or lesser degrees. So it certainly puts us in an awkward position to run an occasional negative review, and talk on the podcast about those elements of an episode we didn’t like as viewers.

    I hope that folks on both side — the fans who love SGU and think it can do no wrong (as well as TPTB and the cast), and those who hate SGU and think it can ‘do no right’ — recognize that we try to do everything with integrity. Sometimes the vitriolic complaining needs to be smacked down, and sometimes we’ll have a review that is more negative than positive.

    The issue of fans’ attitudes and how they post, both on GW Forum and here on the news comment threads, is at the top of our list heading out of the first half of the season and toward 2010. The standard to which I would like to hold everyone who comments here, and posts at the forum, is something I thought Julian did rather well in this week’s review: Express your criticisms constructively, with tact and respect for those fans who are enjoying the show and for those who are creating it. An occasional bad review from fans is inevitable; what is important is how it is expressed.

  22. dauntless1
    dauntless1
    (6 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 8:14 am |

    I’ve seen a lot of Stargate episodes in my life. I’ve watched all of SG1 and all of Atlantis and both had good, bad, and downright awful episodes. But SGU’s “Life” was just plain garbage with 1 good nugget in it: the chair.
    I agree with the reviewer that the chair should have been the primary storyline with more debate and characterization around it. And the psych evaluations could have been a great way to look more into the characters, even ones that aren’t the main cast. There was a little in it, but not that much, which was a bit disappointing since they set it up to be “relevant.” I hated Scott, Young, and Camille’s storylines because they did feel too… soap opera-like and way melodramatic. From the mom “dancer” paying the bills, to the freaky love-triangle I just wanted to get back to the conflict over the chair and the debate and morality of whether to use it or not. Instead, we get 80% drama and 15% sci-fi intrigue. The other 5% (IMO) was the characterization I felt we learned about the characters themselves from the psych evals, mostly the doctor with the hydroponics, Greer ‘s dad, and the… easy, shall we say, scientist. Why didn’t we get more from them than the other storylines I don’t care about? Why are they stretching out “the chair” storyline so long from now? i don’t get it.
    I actually was probably more disappointed by the fact the previous episode “Time” was the best SGU episode yet. It dealt mostly with the gate (finally), had a lot of shooting, actually had aliens that ripped through people (shocking and kinda gross, but cool), and it had just enough comedy and intrigue to keep things interesting. It felt the most like Stargate than any other time during the season. Sure, it had the deus-ex-machina with the time thing, and we knew something would reset the timeline, but it really was like Stargate, even if it was mostly through the eyes of a Kino.
    In short, the episode “Life” was a huge step back after the solid step forward that “Time” made 1 week before it. And in general my patience is wearing thin with the show. It has to get on track for me by the end of episode 10 or else its adios “Stargates of Our Lives,” I mean, SGU.

  23. dauntless1
    dauntless1
    (6 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 8:32 am |

    @ Darren Sumner: I understand that you’re friends with some of TPTB at SGU and you feel weird telling them an episode was bad. I feel weird telling my friends when they stink at something too. BUT, you have to say they’re bad at something when its true. This episode, for example, was awful. The acting wasn’t good, the storylines were boring, and the most interesting thing in the episode was a chair. Sure, its a cool Ancient chair, but its a chair. Not the people around it discussing it, not the drama around it so much, but the chair itself. I liked the chair because I wanted to know more about it than what Scott’s “baby-mama” did for money. Who cares? I’m watching Stargate not 90210. As a friend to TPTB, as a viewer of the show, and a fan of Stargate in general, I think you owe it to your “friends” at SGU to say “hey, I think this episode wasn’t great. It needs to have more of the following…” and not just be a suck up and say every episode was great. Because there have been a lot of bad episodes of Stargate over the years, not just SGU.
    And I think fans get mad because I for one feel we’re not getting heard by the studio enough. I think the general feeling is: less drama, more sci-fi. And when we see so many overly-drama filled episodes like “Life,” we have no choice but to go “WTF was that?” and to vent our anger. We all want to be heard and more often than not, anger is the best way to get someone’s attention. I’ve done it before and many on GW probably want to do so too.

  24. Darren
    (276 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 9:14 am |

    @dauntless: See, I think that “garbage” is not constructive or tactful. The rest of your post was specific and engaging the content of the episode. It didn’t need the pejorative, and in fact the pejorative made the rest hard to read with an open mind. You invited prejudgment and dismissal in the way you opened.

    I don’t mean to pick on you in particular, but it demonstrates what we will be addressing in comment threads and on the forum between now and the end of the year.

    I feel no responsibility to ring up Bridge Studios and tell them what I thought of each week’s episode. But my opinion is not the barometer of whether or not the show is “good.” GateWorld exists to cover the franchise, to offer news and occasionally opinion, so that’s what we strive to do — even when we have criticisms.

  25. Buddybear
    Buddybear
    (23 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 9:21 am |

    This is not the only person that thinks SGU sucks check out this review at

    http://www.cinemaspy.com/article.php?id=3600

    Why One ‘Stargate’ Fan Has Stopped Watching ‘Stargate Universe’ A regrettable farewell to the latest installment in one of my favorite franchises By Michael Simpson.

  26. Tanith
    (305 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 9:40 am |

    @US06154 Nope I gather info from the 24sec clip, 1:47 sneak peak and any mention of it in writers blogs. Just had to lol at being accused of being a mole though. You’ve ranted on every episode thus far, I could easily ask “are you a mole from another network trying to get SGU cancelled” but I don’t.

    Anyway agree with Darren above, if the powers of be ever did come on here and read the comments on these articles to get fan feedback, then there just going to jump right past ones saying “It was garbage” since that’s just an insult and not constructive criticism.

    People also need to understand that season 1 has already been written and shot, any feedback positive or negative wont have the slightest impact on any of the remaining episodes of the season. If they did make changes then they wouldn’t be noticeable until season 2.

  27. annwinters
    annwinters
    (1 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 9:57 am |

    I’m so glad it’s not just me.

    When I want to watch sci-fi, I want to watch sci-fi and not a depressing, no action drama.
    Sorry but SGU is a great idea but at the moment almost not worth watching. Even the drama has little drama!

    Please… More sci-fi, more action, more excitement and at least some humor!

    If not, I imagine this will be canned by season 1.

  28. Imitation Tofu
    Imitation Tofu
    (177 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 11:20 am |

    Dump the stones, drop the soap opera who’s sleeping with whom.

  29. US06154
    US06154
    (73 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 12:48 pm |

    @Tanith, you made me LOL! IMHO SGU is the nerdy kid in school, Why the heck would the Football team (Other Networks) go after him, as he is no threat (to other networks who has superior shows)? hmmmm?

    @Julian L-B: I hear you bro. But it irks me that to some “other folks”, come rain or shine, SGU is the best thing that happened after sliced bread. As I had mentiioned before, must be wonderful to live life wearing Those rosy glasses.

  30. fzammetti
    (4 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 2:14 pm |

    I didn’t hate this episode, in fact liked a lot of it. I’m personally OK with a slightly less SG feel, i.e., slightly less sci-fi… wouldn’t have been my first choice, but I’ve seen some glimmers that this series might be able to pull it off… let’s face is, BSG was FAR from SG1 and SG:A in that regard, and most loved it.

    The reviewer caught my one HUGE problem with this episode though: they writers missed an absolutely GOLDEN opportunity to do something really interesting: Telford should have been pretending to be Young. That would have been, to me, an extremely interesting storyline that I would have been totally looking forward to watching play out over this season.

    Instead, we were led down a path that led to a simple beatdown at the end. While I enjoyed seeing that frankly, it was lazy writing, and frankly borderline incompetent writing because the alternative was both extremely obvious (and more than hinted at in previous episodes) and FAR more potentially interesting.

    Writers, if you’re going to go down this more drama-based kind of series, you’ve GOT to get it right. I think you blew it in a big way this time around, and if you get it that wrong again it’s not going to bode well for the future of this series.

    If I put that one flaw aside, I thought it was a decent enough episode. Not great, but certainly not bad. Overall I’m enjoying SG:U more than I thought I would when it started, which I suppose is ultimately what matters… but I won’t give it too many chances if I see too many more missed opportunities like this one.

  31. serenitypoi
    serenitypoi
    (28 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 3:23 pm |

    @Darren Sumner
    Hi Darren, while I agree with you that some maybe horrible comments you must understand that since we were told that SGA was cancelled, we were very angry and were told there was no chance of a reprieve but there was a film coming soon. Where is that film? Then they told us about the new show, alienated most of us by stating it would be for the more younger and intelligent (my interpretation) viewers, we were horribly ridiculed by other fans for being upset that our show was gone and another was to take it’s place. If some Stargate fans and TPTB had treated us with more respect and allowed us to be upset and complain then maybe we would have calmed down and been more receptive to SGU. However, this did not happen, we were taunted and we reacted as most would, the new show felt as though it was a whole new species to what we loved and missed but all we were told was to stop whining and get on with it! We were loyal and were treated badly, in my and most other’s opinion.

    I did watch the pilot and liked it but as we got further into the season I found it to becoming more of a drama show then scifi and this is not what I wanted, ‘Time’ was brilliant and I thought okay this is what we all need but the next episode ‘Life’ was just like the other eps and a total reversal, for me, from the ep before. I’ll be honest I could not watch the whole episode because I was so disappointed! I know that there will be people who like it but it’s not what I want to watch in my scifi. Unless the next two episodes improve then that will be it for me!

    As regards to your position in being friends with the PTB and trying to stay honest in your reviews, well you can forgive us when most of the reviews were too positive, in my opinion, there seemed not to be enough criticism towards the poorer eps, if I am wrong I apologise but this is how the reviews came across.

    As for the negative reviews etc then there should also be rules against people being downright nasty to others who do not like the episodes and have stated this, please remember this site, as you know, is about ‘Stargate’ not just SGU and if we are still upset about the cancellation of SG-1 and SGA and the appearance of, in my opinion, a poorer show then surely we can comment on this. If you all want us to be more polite in our opinions then you must also make sure that others also behave properly.
    Thank you and bye.

  32. cypher123
    cypher123
    (8 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 3:35 pm |

    Sadly All who say “nothing can be done till the next season because season 1 is already shot.” I don’t think there will be another season. I loved SG1 and SGA and I watch SGU hoping that the franchise would not be destroyed but I think it has been. I want to enjoy a good Syfi not a poorly written soap opera. I even think (I may be wrong….) but I think this may even kill the chance of seeing any more SG1/SGA movies. :( Just my 2 cents.

  33. Mentat
    Mentat
    (141 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 3:45 pm |

    @Julian L-B: You have hit the proverbial nail on the head. I had a look at the fan ratings here for the first time and notice we are either rating this show 1, (lacking a zero option) or, 10. Your comment about SGU being a polarizing series is valid and your efforts appreciated.

    That link: http://www.cinemaspy.com/article.php?id=3600 via Buddybear sure covers most of my gripes. I thought I was the only one falling asleep in the early ones. I just don’t watch now. Something about “clawing my eyeballs out” from a writer. Not going to happen.

    I started listening to the podcast regarding this episode and after several minutes I started to react with a “what show are they talking about”? Sure wasn’t Stargate, more like the General Hospital already mentioned. And it sure didn’t sound like a science fiction show they were talking about.

    I wonder if D&D could separate the current SGU content in production away from the SG/SGA Classic material, maybe under a different domain name? There sure isn’t (IMHO+others) much of a connection between the shows.

  34. SuperG
    SuperG
    (18 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 3:54 pm |

    I agree with the reviewer. The drama is unnecesary forced. The mean plot focus of this ep is charbuilding. The A story thing here is char drama. This is barely scifi.
    For every one who accepts that SGU is tad more drama en char centered. But in decent dosis. This drama crap is just to much. And out of place.

    But every one who find this gay thing and charbuilding, who humpin who thing, great. They are right to. This show is just aimed at that kind off audience. Wich I totaly not belong to.

    I don’t mind a bit naturaly drama wich is generated at the ep plot flow of the scifi story’s flow. But this is a overdose of it with no reason. Just plop drama and then more of it.

    All the other eps has a big mark of drama centric and char centred. But there was enough mixed of scifi aspect and thus stargate ip in it. Even humor now and then.

    So my opinion one crap epp out of 9 that realy good. Even Sg1 and SGa have crappy eps. But then because of other reasons. I don’t like the drama but in good balance it can be right in place. But this is a overdose.

    Some viewer demanded deeper charbuilding so there is demand for this crap and they listen to it.

    This whole tread look like a collission of those realy differnt kind of audiences.

  35. Benjamin
    Benjamin
    (1 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 4:46 pm |

    The episodes just keep getting weaker and weaker, it’s like they’re taking liberty with the whole “arc” thing and NOT doing anything in the episodes. If this doesn’t pick up, I won’t be re-newing my iTunes subscription for Season 2 (which I’d be surprised if they got). It’s a pity, as SGU will become the death-knell for all Stargate… it had such awesome potential at the beginning and I was always open to new things… but this show is really starting to just suck, and truth be told – the only reason I’m still watching is because I spent $60 on the HD Season-pass… I would have given up a couple weeks ago. Rush/Carlyle is carrying the entire show, and his interaction with Young is the “b-plot”. Oh well… that’s what you get when the Producers think they know their audience (yet, secretly don’t).

  36. Tanith
    (305 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 6:05 pm |

    “But it irks me that to some “other folks”, come rain or shine, SGU is the best thing that happened after sliced bread.”

    @US06154 no offence but your exactly the same but from the other side. The only slightly positive comment you’ve made was for ‘Time’ and it was more or less just was “it was better than the rest but still bad”.

    I agree that thus far this has been the weakest episode of SGU but I still honestly believe that SGU is going to be a success. Ratings wise even though the on the day ratings are a bit lower of late the DVR percentages continue to rise. I’m more than confident for a 2nd season.

  37. Stormin
    Stormin
    (37 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 6:06 pm |

    This show is way too dark, depressing, and filled with unlikeable and dull characters. I find myself wishing for their demise each week. This is not an entertaining show like SG-1 or SGA, or even BSG. The sex/romance, crying, and overall unsavory nature of each of the characters does not compel me to want to watch it. This will be the one and only season for this poorly written, poorly developed show.

  38. emma
    emma
    (5 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 6:17 pm |

    I just signed up so that I could express my disappointment in this show. Fair enough, it’s different — I like different — it’s just not sci-fi. It seems to be character drama with a bit of sci-fi tacked in. I was becoming frustrated as I watched this episode because I wanted to go back to the chair. I like character drama, I just like it when it’s working together with the science fiction, as opposed to replacing it altogether.

    I think it’s great they wanted to go somewhere different, but if the genre really is changing so much that it doesn’t even seem to remember what it’s really all about, then I shall mourn the loss.

    It’s not even the problem with the writing or the acting – I think, if you forget it’s sci-fi, it’s brilliant stuff. But I don’t watch the show to see soap, and it’s a pity because I really want to love this and say ‘yes! it’s Stargate!’ I’ve yet to see where the connection lies at all — except for whenever you catch a glimpse of it.

    Time was an amazing episode. I hope we go back to that.

    ~Emma

  39. emma
    emma
    (5 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 6:19 pm |

    “I” being the stargate itself. Oops.

  40. US06154
    US06154
    (73 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 9:59 pm |

    @Tanith: My point is, I am not the only person who’s “irked” about the direction of the franchise. Wait, only haters write about how they feel, Right?

    On a different note, “I’m personally OK with a slightly less SG feel, i.e., slightly less sci-fi…” Well, okay, that stumped me. To this person all I have to say is, I think you are watching the wrong channel at the wrong time, Daytime soaps are on NBC around late lunch time. These shows are all “less SG’y and less SciFy’y”

  41. Tanith
    (305 comments)
    November 27, 2009 at 10:37 pm |

    I would also like to add that SGU isn’t the first Stargate to get hostility from fans.

    SG-1: fans upset at Daniel Jackson’s departure, the rise of the anti-Jonas faction, complaints of not enough team, complaints of not enough gate travel, complaints of too many Earth-based episodes, Carter fans vs. Vala fans, Carter fans vs. Mitchell fans, fans who hated seasons 9 and 10 because they felt it was no longer Stargate. Atlantis: Fans upset at Weir’s departure, fans upset at Beckett’s departure, fans upset at Carter’s inclusion, the anti-Keller faction, complaints of not enough team, complaints of not enough gate travel, complaints of too much emphasis on McKay/Keller (quoted from Joseph Mallozzi blog)

  42. GateHunter
    GateHunter
    (56 comments)
    November 28, 2009 at 2:17 am |

    You may not have the barometer Darren, but I do – and its bad.
    And I would call them if
    1. It made the slightest difference.
    2. It wasn’t long distance ;)

  43. Uncle Al
    Uncle Al
    (50 comments)
    November 28, 2009 at 2:56 am |

    It took me about 12 minutes to watch “Life” after skipping past all of the non sci-fi stuff. I’m beginning to wonder if I will really like seeing the old Ancient tech. I have never really liked prequels. I could never get into Star Trek Enterprise for this reason. I really don’t think we will see a lot of exploration of the ship. After all they are the “wrong people”, plus these same writers barely scratched the surface of Atlantis. That was thwe Ancients flagship and we never really got to see what it was capable of for 5 seasons. Bottom line is that I think this serise is a dead end. I hope that MGM will put it out of it’s misery quickly and start something new with new writers and move forward with the franchise.

  44. blackhawlk
    blackhawlk
    (85 comments)
    November 28, 2009 at 2:38 pm |

    My problem with SGU is that I find the characters so boring and uninteresing. I really havnt come to care about any of them. I don’t find anything unique or interesting about them. RDA brought something special to the character of Jack as did Joe Flanigan to the character of Sheppard. The actors made the characters interesting and even if the writing wasnt up to scratch I enjoyed their performances. McKay was unique as well whilst Eli is just a pale imitation IMO. There is no strong leader to carry the show. Robert Carlyle is a good character actor but he is just as annoying and boring as the rest of the cast for me. His outbursts and selfish self absorbed attitude just doesnt endear me to him at all. So even if we get back to the old style Stargate with enemies and action I just don’t care enough about any of these characters at this stage to care what they get up to.
    I wouldn’t mind a more character based show if it was well written and intelligent drama and with characters I cared about but for me SGU has none of this. Where is the sense of awe and wonder and genuine danger. I need to care about the characters before I want to see who loves whome. So if I had connected to any of these characters I may have been able to swallow all this forced drama, but with such a slow pace and nothing really happening and with characters I don’t care about, I have had enough of SGU and the direction the Franchise has taken.

  45. GateHunter
    GateHunter
    (56 comments)
    November 28, 2009 at 3:05 pm |

    That’s just the point blackhawlk, people need to care about the characters before they give you backstory, and giving backstory doesn’t just do that. Curious story telling flaw here.

  46. gokhu
    gokhu
    (5 comments)
    November 28, 2009 at 5:25 pm |

    For me the best sci-fi show on at the moment is V. Great acting, lots of good characters, no boring sex-up scene’s and yes it was made before but this one is so much better.

    SGU is on a par with defying gravity, slow, drawn out and boring with characters that make you want to see their demise, even cheer for it.

    MGM just pull the plug, the patient is brain dead and there’s no hope.

  47. Natasha
    Natasha
    (40 comments)
    November 28, 2009 at 8:47 pm |

    I want to like SGU. I really do but the pacing is so slow. They want to make it more character driven? Great but not at the expense of the plot or the sci fi. In the end it is supposed to be a sci fi show, it would be nice to see a bit more… well sci fi. The episode Time was good, personally I still found it a little slow in places but there was a story and you wanted to know what happened next. But this episode was so difficult to watch not just the slow pacing but the use of the ancient communication devices (in previous episodes as well). Using them to use someone elses body to get drunk and have sex? Its just so wrong.
    The most interesting aspect was the chair and ultimately they did nothing with it. I really hope they get a better balance of character development and story otherwise I fear the long time fans are gonna give up on it. I loved SG1 and Atlantis but I’m finding it hard to tune in week after week for SGU.

  48. emma
    emma
    (5 comments)
    November 28, 2009 at 9:58 pm |

    I think the biggest problem is the stones. They’re overused. Why set a SCI-FI on a spaceship all the way across the universe, only to have most of the episodes based on Earth? SG-1 spent more time away from Earth than these episodes do, and the SGC was ON Earth. Ironic, don’t you think? I want to see some sci-fi, and I think the only reason I even watch this at the moment is because of the name “Stargate” in the title. But I fear that eventually I will stop if the soap-like drama continues to kill the sci-fi element of what could be an amazing show. It just needs a better balance.

  49. WTFFTW111
    WTFFTW111
    (1 comments)
    November 28, 2009 at 10:29 pm |

    I’m sorry, but I think this review is just too generous. I honestly don’t think there’s one single redeeming point for this pathetic excuse for an episode. If the next episode wasn’t the mid-season finale, I would have stopped right after that episode.

    Sure, the chair *could* bring something interesting to the show in the future, but in terms of this episode… The Earth scenes were just horrible drama, and easily the worst episode of a series I’ve seen in years (and I’ve seen some pretty bad stuff). I could put up with the somewhat adolescent drama that was in previous episodes, because there was usually something more interesting going on, sometimes tied to that drama. This episode basically summed up all the fears that I had with the series going into it (the show trying to mix together the things that make Battlestar Galactica and the other Stargate series what they were, while COMPLETELY failing to realize what those elements were), and instead, going into teen drama garbage like “O noez! My ex-girlfriend, who had my baby without me knowing, is now a stripper!” Or “O noez! I won’t get to see my lesbian lover for longer than I had expected!” Or “O noez! The guy I switched bodies with accidentally switched back the previous episode and now I think he’s having an affair with her so I’mma go kick his ass!” I have said on other sites that certain episodes or storylines of other shows I like were “the worst thing that I can remember seeing” either on that show, or in my history of TV ever, but even those episodes/storylines, compared to this episode were complete masterpieces, right up there with the best of Lost, Battlestar Galactica, The Wire, and a dozen other great show.

    This isn’t even my sci-fi fan talking, because I do love great dramas (hence naming The Wire above as a great show), but I honestly consider the drama in this episode to be among the lowest of lows for shows I’ve seen, and the only reason I’m watching the next episode is because it’s the mid-season finale, so I would like to see if there’s anything that they introduce that makes the show worth watching, otherwise, Goodbye Stargate, until the movies for the better shows come out…

  50. US06154
    US06154
    (73 comments)
    November 29, 2009 at 7:50 am |

    @Gokhu, I totally agree with you. V in this case is, a Victory over SGU. That show is even paced, and even the evil aliens are much more likeable :D

  51. flmatthew
    flmatthew
    (75 comments)
    November 29, 2009 at 3:32 pm |

    “Constructive” and “Tactful”? Why not just write your own comments and make up the name of who posts the comment. Yep, it’s your site so I guess you can edit or censor our comments. When you begin to do so I suppose we will just go somewhere else. Just as you “feel no responsibility” to ring up the Studio, I feel no responsibility to be tactful, only honest.

  52. Barryke
    Barryke
    (16 comments)
    November 29, 2009 at 8:10 pm |

    SGU “Life” has nothing memorable to offer.
    I managed to forget this episode in a day.

    Agreed on the review Gateworld, thanks for staying true!

  53. mtdrc
    mtdrc
    (1 comments)
    November 30, 2009 at 2:40 am |

    I could like SGU, but I don’t like them going to earth so much, I can’t honestly say why it just irks me. It is more serious and I am used to the lighter SGA. I prefer PG to R and wish they’d lose the sex scenes. But as with any show there is an adjustment period and I think there are some good characters and plots. I’m certainly going to give it the whole first season anyway.

  54. tbone0317@yahoo.com
    (2 comments)
    November 30, 2009 at 11:07 am |

    “I do not think Stargate has ever had a character as complex or ambivilent as Rush. Stargate has always been about the ‘right’ people on the job of trying to save humanity. Now we have the wrong people on the job, simply trying to save themselves.”

    And part of knowing why these people are the WRONG people is to explore their characters. Not just the character they are now, but the character they were before getting to this point. Going back to Earth provides that valuable background we need. Life succeeded immeasurably in that regard. While not the best episode of the series so far, calling it the worst of any Stargate is wrong on so many levels, I don’t know where to begin.

  55. zackwbrandon
    zackwbrandon
    (39 comments)
    November 30, 2009 at 11:53 am |

    I walked away from the forums for the holiday and when I got back this was up. Gotta say, sorry I missed the food fight as it was happening.

    I agree with the review to some degree. The episode was no different than something I might have seen on 90210, Gossip Girl, or Ugly Betty. In fact, Ugly Betty managed to fit in the long-lost love-child storyline in this week while SGU was MIA.

    The truth is that when the site-runners and show-runners become defensive about the product, stormy times lie ahead. I believe the show will likely get a second season because it is a form of anti-sci-fi and TPTB at the network-that-shall-not-be-named are doubtless thrilled with the reality television nature of the series.

    That being said, the repeated retconning of the Ancient tech and timeline has to stop. SGU has disconnected itself from Stargate enough. In SGU we find that the library is a chair, the ship is 100,000 years old but is older than Atlantis (which clocks in at OVER 3 million years old), and there is this magical FTL drive; all of which exist in conflict with the canon of the other series.

    I don’t mind the character drama. Atlantis and SG1 had character drama too. Like this show it was often handled in a ham-handed way, but at least there was the fallback notion of ‘the old oriface’ itself.

    I don’t care who they are sleeping with and certainly have no interest in becoming a voyeur into their unpleasant sex-lives. Which is why I did enjoy the way this episode addressed its concept in song: “this is the worst day since yesterday” should become the new tagline for the series. And that’s a sad thing.

  56. US06154
    US06154
    (73 comments)
    November 30, 2009 at 12:44 pm |

    I wonder when they’ll say “Uncle” or “No Más”…

    @zackwbrandon: yeah, the timelines bothered me too, but would have forgotten about such trivial things, if the Scifi (Like ancient Technology, Special FX etc) was really good. Instead we got SyFy (the new word for gratuitous sex (who’s sleeping with whom), Lies (Rush), and Video Tapes (Eli with his Kinos). :D

  57. Stryse
    Stryse
    (31 comments)
    November 30, 2009 at 4:22 pm |

    I think “Life” represents the transition from establishing the characters and situation into the meat of the series. This was the first episode that had me feeling the crew of the Destiny were begining to become resigned to their fate, and settling into a life onboard the Destiny.

    I think the episodes that preceded it were necessary to firmly establish the situation and the people placed in it.

    “Life” seems about transitioning out of the setup, the letting go of their old lives, and gearing up for their new lives as the crew of the Destiny.

  58. mistergroenevingers
    mistergroenevingers
    (162 comments)
    November 30, 2009 at 8:32 pm |

    @Julian Landau-Brown
    I agree with your assessment of this episode and am pleased that you dare present your opinion in a review even if it is negative. It gives a sense of honesty. Like someone else mentioned before I sometimes got the feeling that reviews were overly positive instead of critically opinionated.

    @Stryse
    I sure hope you’re right about that transition fase. It brings to mind the beginning of “Voyager” where two crews from opposite sides were forced to join and had to learn how to cope with eachother. That process really helped in building a bond with the crew. I have the feeling that you were saying that the writers have been trying to make us bond with the crew of Destiny by showing us what they do.

    @ingeneral
    The sort of ‘character building’ (yuck I’m starting not to like that term after reading many comments around here) we have been provided with so far in the form of visits to earth could have easily been achieved by letting the characters have conversations with eachother about their ‘regular’ lives or by having them daydream about it. In my opinion this would have made for more compelling drama because it would give a sense of the people being disconnected from their previous lives and having to rely on eachother. This would have also created more bonding with the characters. As it is now the ‘stones’ are disrupting the aforementioned process because they do basically exactly the opposite, namely giving the crew not only contact with earth but even making it possible to sort of ‘live’ their earth-life to some degree. Destiny should be THE spot where everything takes place without interruption (trips through the gate are included in this scenario because everybody needs to be back on board before Destiny departs). I formally request dr. Rush to take every effort to wipe the stones from existance. Perhaps he could fling them in the general direction of cl. Young real hard hitting a solid object or a stone-disintegrating-forcefield in the process.

    After watching all the episodes up to now I have the feeling that the writers are keeping a lot of things in store for us for later in the season or for the next seasons if there will be any. For one thing a huge part of Destiny still needs to be explored which could make for many interesting discoveries in future episodes. The discovery of ‘the chair’ in this episode is obviously a big thing for the crew yet it gets next to no attention. Naturally they will be giving it more attention in the future. This gives the feeling that the writers are sort of smearing out the story. I hope this doesn’t mean that they don’t have a lot of good ideas to base episodes on.

  59. mistergroenevingers
    mistergroenevingers
    (162 comments)
    November 30, 2009 at 8:48 pm |

    @Darren Sumner
    With all this loving/hating going around in the comments on pretty much every article you guys post, wouldn’t it be nice to have a chatroom where people could discuss such matters ‘live’? It might save you some work from moderating. Besides that, I for one would surely enjoy being able to have a conversation with fellow gate fans as there aren’t too many to be found irl.

    On another note, I think that even rather short and negative opinions should be allowed to be expressed. If someone watches an episode and afterwards thought to themself “Gosh this was crap!” it does say something about the episode. It is sort of natural for a person who is a fan of something to want to express his/her opinion about it even if it is negative. And generally people who are disappointed by something don’t want to waste too much time on gathering their thoughts and writing an eloquate article about it. They just want other people to know that “it sucks!”.

  60. cupermacleod
    cupermacleod
    (20 comments)
    December 1, 2009 at 2:46 am |

    It can be downright depressing reading the comments on this site. It’s also downright depressing realizing how narrow-minded and anti-intellectual so-called ‘fans’ of science-fiction can be. Those of you who seem bored by anything other than ‘more action and sci-fi’ would be terribly bored by the real classics of the genre. Science-fiction is about more (much more) that cgi spaceships and things blowing up. I imagine most of the SGU critics do not spend much time reading ‘real’ SF.

    Many people here also seem to be remarkably unsophisticated in their ability to process a narrative. The fact that characters may have conflicting motivations, that stories may center on things other than blowing #### up, and that plot threads may be introduced but not explained until further down the line are strengths, not weaknesses.

    SGU manages to combine the strengths of science-fiction such as allegorical storytelling and expanded narrative possibilities with the strengths of ‘normal’ fiction, i.e. nuance and more intricate characterization.

    Some of the negative critiques on this site have merit, but so others reveal a lack of sophistication on the part of the viewer. Yes, sex exists. It even exists in the military and among the highly trained. And it’s ridiculous to claim that Universe has been overrun with sex. A lesbian kiss may be controversial to some, but it’s hardly newsworthy in this day and age. It would be MORE remarkable to ignore the reality of homosexuality.

    And as for claims that the show is ‘boring’ and doesn’t have enough ‘action’, I’m afraid you’ll never be happy. Universe is a show based on multi-faceted characters, characters with both positive and negative traits (which is why comparisons to soap operas, with their cardboard characters, are also pretty silly), and as such, much of the ‘action’ of the plots are going to be based in character interaction rather than literal ‘action’ against outside agents.

    I, for one, am very happy that the SG producers credit a science-fiction audience with the ability to appreciate a broad range storytelling possibilities. SG-1 and Atlantis had their origins in a more pulpy science-fiction tradition. They were brilliant for what they were, but they are over. The producers could have cranked out another clone, but that would have been limiting to both the creators and the viewers. Nobody can force you to like Universe. but try to keep an open mind. And remember, upset people who spend their time venting on the internet make up a MINORITY, not a majority of the fanbase. Most people who have no interest in Universe don’t bother watching it.

  61. Sam1976
    Sam1976
    (19 comments)
    December 1, 2009 at 8:54 am |

    I think one of the problems with SGU (at least for me) is the balance. While watching SG1/SGA I sometimes wished they would have explored the characters a little more. In contrast, when watching SGU I wish they would do it a little less. To me, it seems the producers went from one end of the “continuum” to the other while missing that there is something in between.
    I do not need explosions or big special effects but a scifi series should be at least 50% about scifi (and simply being on a space ship does not count). One of the best episodes of SGA is certainly “The Shrine” and as far as I remember there was no explosion in it. It was about a character while also having some scifi elements. On the other hand, 22 episodes of “The Shrine” would have been boring like hell.
    After nine episodes of SGU, we hardly had any good scifi elements in there, and while “Life” introduces the chair, this is basically it. The rest is 90210-stuff. What I appreciate though is that they portrayed the lesbian relationship as a truly mature relationship and in that certainly closer to reality.
    So, I do not want another clone of SG1/SGA but I want a scifi show with (more) character elements and no character drama with some scifi in it.

  62. mistergroenevingers
    mistergroenevingers
    (162 comments)
    December 1, 2009 at 12:11 pm |

    @cupermacleod

    I have seen some ‘SGU-likers’ on this site respond to ‘SGU-dislikers’ that had left somewhat negative comments by saying “If you don’t like it then don’t watch it!”. Using the same reasoning I could say to you “If you don’t like reading the comments then don’t read them.”, that would however just be a little too easy and might appear to be too narrowminded for the likes of you. I will therefore respond on your comment in more detail.

    Firstly I find the tone you are taking to be downright condescending. It seems as though you feel superior to many people that leave their opinions here. Being someone who reads ‘real science fiction’ and all. Just because people dislike SGU doesn’t mean they want to hear machinegunfire and see things explode. In fact I find all the gunfire in both previous SG-series to be rather annoying. Still I like those series a lot more than I do SGU, so far, and I think I am entitled to that opinion. A fact is that in general people don’t like changes very much and I guess that with SGU the writers just went and changed everything, which explains why there are many people who dislike certain aspects of it.

    I do not disagree with the statements you make in your second and third paragraph but I would like to rephrase it a little. Where you say that people ‘appear to have trouble with processing narratives’ I would instead like to say ‘people seem very eager for narratives that develop a little more quickly’. And I must admit to being one of those people.

    As for sex, be it gay or straight, wether it’s explicit or not, I don’t really care for having it displayed on tv. I’ve seen more than enough of that quite frankly in all sorts of tv shows. To have it mingled into my favourite tv show is therefore somewhat disappointing, though if not too much focus is placed on it it is not unbearable. Yes, sex exists, so do a lot of other things.

    “The producers could have cranked out another clone, but that would have been limiting to both the creators and the viewers.”
    Perhaps it would have been limiting for the writers, but not for me. I would love to see more and more of SG1 and SGA, especially the former. There are shows that would just remain interesting no matter what, such as for example ‘Friends’ and ‘Star Trek Voyager’. To me, SG1 is one of those series.
    “Most people who have no interest in Universe don’t bother watching it.”
    Most people that have no interest in SGU probably weren’t fans of Stargate in the first place. And let us not forget that there are many people that are fans of Stargate that have been waiting for SGU for over a year and even though they are somewhat disappointed are still watching it because it’s the only new Stargate they can get and hoping it will change for the better.

  63. serenitypoi
    serenitypoi
    (28 comments)
    December 1, 2009 at 4:50 pm |

    @mistergroenevingers
    I so totally agree with you! I would like to add that most of the fans not watching SGU felt alienated by tptb and other fans, I felt that way too. I have watched the, while not being what I wanted they were okay, ‘Time’ was brilliant, in my opinion and I had some hope for a better show. Then. ‘Life’ aired and I could not watch it properly, in my opinion, it was very disappointing and I felt that it was going backwards in quality. Some people will not forget their pride and continue to talk about it’s positive qualities. I guess we shall see but I am not going to watch unless I hear that it’s improved.

  64. mistergroenevingers
    mistergroenevingers
    (162 comments)
    December 1, 2009 at 6:15 pm |

    @serenitypoi
    but you will still be following the news on gateworld won’t you? ;)

  65. jjs
    jjs
    (33 comments)
    December 1, 2009 at 6:34 pm |

    @mistergroenevingers – very well articulated posting. I agree with many of your points and your ability to convey them in a non-confrontational manner.

    @cupermacleod – I as well find your post very condescending to imply people who don’t like the show are not as intelligent or sophisticated as those who do like the show. I would counter that your generalization shows a lack of insight on your part into what people are posting or perhaps you feel only your opinion is valid one. In any case I want to point out that many people (myself included) are not calling for more stuff to be blown up or more aliens to fight in order to enjoy the show. Our dislike of the show rest squarely on the fact most of us do not like these characters nor do we like the slow pace of the plot.

    In my case my dislike is not that I find the plot too encompassing or overly sophisticated: to the contrary I find it very minimalistic, slow and lacking depth. This show for me has too many characters encompassing a weak plot causing most of the characters to never get fully defined. For character driven drama to be effective you really need to have a vested interest in the character(s) else all the back-story and struggles the character is going through are empty. At this point I dislike most of the characters and thus the amount of time spent on their inner-struggles, their motivations and drives, their insecurities, etc is hallow and uninteresting. I would expect this amount of character driven plotlines to appear later once the characters were established and the plot moving along at a better pace. As it stands now it feels like the character development is stagnating the main plot of the show.

    I think for many people who feel like I do we welcome the character development and the back stories, but balance it with more exploration and use of the stargate itself. The show is called Stargate after all.

  66. Tanith
    (305 comments)
    December 1, 2009 at 8:39 pm |

    I personally as a “SGU Liker” am open to peoples opinions. Its just that there are a good number of people who do simply post insults towards SGU with nothing constructive.

    What I personally dislike is how some of the negative comments tend to lead the discussion off topic. The vast majority of episode related articles all turn into everyone’s opinion of SGU in general instead of there opinion on the episode the article was originally about.

    Lets think of it this way: In season 6 of SG-1 on episode related articles would you either of preferd to talk about what happened in the episode, what you liked/disliked about the episode, what things in that episode might have an impact on future episodes or just how much you hate Jonas and how hes crap compared to Daniel.

  67. Tanith
    (305 comments)
    December 1, 2009 at 8:49 pm |

    Things such as: “SGU Sucks”, “This isn’t Stargate”, “was just plain garbage”, “SGU is the nerdy kid in school” etc is the kind of thing that can piss off those who do like it.

    Constructive, non insulting comments would be better (Even for the writers to get good feedback) and would greatly reduce the same argument being repeated again & again.

  68. mistergroenevingers
    mistergroenevingers
    (162 comments)
    December 2, 2009 at 5:54 am |

    @jjs
    Thanks. It’s nice to have somebody agree :) In turn I find myself agreeing with your arguments as well. (and that’s not because you agreed with me first :P)

    @Tanith
    You’re right about discussions being led off topic. And it may be negative comments that cause this more often than positive ones. Yet I think even the latter can lead a discussion away from the central topic. This just happens all too easily when people respond to eachothers comments, especially if opinions are as divided as they seem to be about SGU. I confess I find myself led astray ever so often. I’m trying to keep it neat and objective though even if I’m not really babbling about the article in question anymore. This seems to be enough for DS not to remove the comments. I think you will be able to agree with me on this.
    I understand that comments as “SGU sucks” can piss people off. Comments like these should either be ignored or removed, unless the person that wrote it gives an explanation for that opinion.

  69. Sam1976
    Sam1976
    (19 comments)
    December 2, 2009 at 8:33 am |

    I do not understand why it should be a problem that discussions go “off topic” because the show itself is one big arc so every episode is just a part of a bigger puzzle. So you simply take the episode to illustrate what is right or wrong with the show (in your opinion) which can of course lead you astray a little but so what…? Most discussions on the threads here do offer new perspectives although some repetion is certainly unavoidable.

    And I agree, simple negative comments should be ignored, they do not add to a good discussion.

  70. Tanith
    (305 comments)
    December 2, 2009 at 11:56 am |

    I don’t mind a discussion going to far off topic. But each one on practically every SGU article seems to always goes back to: “Do you like SGU, discuss”.

  71. jjs
    jjs
    (33 comments)
    December 2, 2009 at 2:44 pm |

    @tanith – I 100% agree with your comments regarding people posting negative comments such as “SGU sucks”. I feel if someone is going to post a comment of why they don’t like something about the show they should post it tactfully, have the decency to at least explain their position and offer ways for the show to correct it.

    While it is no secret I don’t like the show in its current form I am hopeful that the writers are paying attention and may correct course in season 2. I am hopeful this attempt at a departure from Stargate norm will be successful like DS9 instead of catastrophic like Start Trek Enterprise.

    As for staying on topic, since this is a review of the episode “Life” I have to say I am one of those who really disliked it overall, but I did find some nice tidbits in it. I think the portrayal of Wray’s relationship with her partner was well done considering the sensitive nature of the topic. I give the episode kudos for that. But I still found myself disliking anything involving Lt. Scott and had to force myself not to fast forward through the episode’s slow pace.

    jjs

  72. mrs john sheppard
    mrs john sheppard
    (80 comments)
    December 3, 2009 at 1:05 pm |

    lets not get our panties twisted in a knot when someone post a negative comment about this show i had enough with the AMA stuff going around. now i havent seen the show becuase i stuck to my guns when i said i was not going to watch it but man this show gets alot of bad and good feed back and i agree with some one who said there should be a live chat room where the fans can discuss this.in the mean time ill go back on watching my devoted dvd’s.

  73. WRAITH
    WRAITH
    (1 comments)
    December 5, 2009 at 5:58 pm |

    Where is the syfy stuff in this syfy melodramatic ####.I dont see days of our lives trying to add any syfy stuff to their episodes.People that watch syfy do so because we are facinated by space and adventure and we are hungry for that,not every day drama the news station are there for that.Watching SGA the character developement was done as per episode and then we got to know how everyone is on the inside.Everytime something good comes on syfy and they do a couple of seasons and they are well liked they get cancelled ie FARSCAPE SGA,saying we dont have enough money to do another season but their is money to make #### like this,80% soap 15% #### story line and 5% syfy.The only thing captivating about this series is when i see a shot of the ship going through FTL.PLEASE FIX THIS IT HAS POTENTIAL.By the way Did anyone see that pod that left the ship in the pilot episode?

  74. Misacek01
    Misacek01
    (10 comments)
    January 5, 2010 at 8:29 pm |

    Look, what does everyone have against this episode? I was watching them in a row on DVR (my first watching, I know, a little late) and this one didn’t seem that much out of the line compared to the rest.

    To nag a bit myself, I especially get a kick out of how everyone seems to be a critic here – a professional critic! Don’t take me wrong, I think everyone can express whatever they feel here (as long as they don’t do it in a rude manner), but, really, what do most of the participants of this discussion have against the episode? That it was not “Stargate”. It is Stargate. ‘This’ is Stargate now. Deal with it or leave it, people. Give the new take a chance, or don’t watch and don’t criticise it for not being what it is not meant to be.

    Weaving an article that looks like an all-round review of the episode around the fact that you don’t like that it doesn’t resemble SG-1 or SGA is not reviewing.

    Yes, the episode may be somewhat less eventful in terms of action, but clearly, this show is trying to be about characters. I totally do not agree with the idea the chair should have more space in the episode. What would you do with it? Have Rush and Eli poke around and spout technobabble for half an hour? Or should they have fixed it and solved all their problems by the end of the episode, as was common in SG-1 and SGA? What would the show be about then?

    Finally, I am kinda sad that this in my opinion rather narrow point of view seems to be shared, at least in part, by the GateWorld reviewer, although it is of course his prerogative to write whatever he likes and feels in the review, just as all the people discussing it can write what they want and feel.

    There is one thing I would have set in stone on the top of the mainpage of any Stargate-related website: UNIVERSE IS NOT SG-1 NOR SGA.

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