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  1. krdstargate
    November 1, 2009 at 2:08 pm |

    And tonight on Sex and the Stargate…
    Warning major spoilers….

    Another week and another pointless drivel filled episode of Universe. I gave this episode a 2 because we actually saw an alien and they went through the Stargate. Now onto the episode itself. The major plot twist of this story, if you could call it that, is that Scott and Col. Young go to an ice planet to find water and …wait for it…wait for it…that’s right folks Scott falls through the ice and gets stuck. Whew I really didnt see that coming. And the Col. takes 10-15 min. meandering and pontificating. Within the first minute I was asking myself why didnt he just tie the other end of the rope to the hover device and pull Scott out. It took the Col. a good 10 minutes. But then again how would they get some excellent drama. And oh by the way the Col. did not really manage to get Scott out, there are another series of tremors, which it seems dislodge the material trapping Scott.(unless I missed something, but it seemed like one min he was stuck and after the tremors he was free) So another lucky break saves the day. At least this time it was not the ship. But wow did that create some real tension and excitement or what, I mean on SG-1 and SGA they only had to save entire civilizations in the nick of time. But man this was just soo much better!!!
    Coming to the alien on the ship, I realized immediately they were going to send it through the Stargate. However, I must confess I did not realize they were going to lure it using water in order to do it. However, the plot was extremely similar to SGA episode Hide and Seek. However, SGA hide and seek actually had some sci fi in it. They discovered the transportation devices, they discovered the ascension plans of the ancients, and there was some good sci fi lingo. Here zilch, nada, nothing.
    Chloe seems to be around just to complain and you know create DRAMA. And yeah, again Scott decides he is above the rules and can simply switch off communication. Wow he really has the quality of leadership in him, doesnt he?? And the great Dr. Rush seems to think that the best way to deal with any problem is to simply leave someone behind, I mean why should we even try to help someone in danger, when it is so much easier to let them die right????
    Yes, you dont even have to say it, I am an SGA fan still unable to get over its cancellation. But here is my question, how could someone who thinks that SGA season 4 and season 5 were weak think that Scott getting stuck in ice is an interesting or strong plot. I mean really what else happened in this episode. And as I already stated the remaining plot was a rip off of SGA Hide and Seek. And for those who say it allowed for character development of the Col. Really???What about all the episodes which showed Sheppard trying to get Ford back? Or what about the 5th season opener in which he goes back for Teyla despite being injured because he doesnt want to lose her, like he lost Ford. But hey those episodes were not filled with 10 min of melodrama.

  2. GateWhirled
    November 1, 2009 at 2:41 pm |

    @krdstargate: Sooo…. you liked it then?

  3. trip64
    November 1, 2009 at 2:50 pm |

    I’d have to say I agree a lot with what krdstargate says above… SGU’s episodes move at the speed of molasses. And having invested in 15 previous seasons of SG1 and SGA, I just can’t help but wonder what the producers were thinking choosing to go down this road with the new series. Was their special FX budget trimmed down to nothing? There is one set — the ship — where the characters spend 90% of their time whining about being stuck in space — and they must really be alone in this part of space, since no one in a million years has happened to notice a city-size spaceship floating on by, which after 6 or 7 episodes, has been the only thing to happen in outerspace. Please – we need a hostile alien race or some other compelling reason for these people to somehow join together and start wanting to survive. No threat = no drama, despite the Melrose-style drama the Chloe character seems to create ep to ep. The one positive — no planets which are covered in forests; although I’d gladly take that back in exchange for some tension, high-stakes action, and a little light-hearted exchange between characters that are engaging. I’ll keep watching, being the Gate-junkie I am, but it doesn’t always pay to reinvent the wheel — sometimes things work best the way they were.

  4. krdstargate
    November 1, 2009 at 2:56 pm |

    GateWhirled- “@krdstargate: Sooo…. you liked it then?”

    you betchaa!!!!:)

  5. universacred
    November 1, 2009 at 3:17 pm |

    Character development, character development, character development… Chant it like a mantra!

  6. kimm
    November 1, 2009 at 3:46 pm |

    Atlantis was phenominal. It was just plain stupid to cancell it. Why not incorporate Atlantis into Universe somehow if you wont bring back ATLANTIS.

    ATLANTIS rocks ! Universe is a nowhere near as good.

    ticked off. Kim May in Ontario

  7. altairantares
    November 1, 2009 at 5:04 pm |

    Seriously people, I just don’t get your wacky obsession with hating SGU. Where was the drama in SGA? Excepting when an actor wanted to leave the show it was obvious that no one ever in any risk of dying, the characters in the show were perfect except for carefully defined “flaws” that were there for comedic effect. You had 15 seasons of that, and you still want more? SGU isn’t about action, killing stuff, blowing up huge honking ships, shooting thousands of aliens,etc, it’s about putting people where they shouldn’t be and then watching what happens. Stuff like that shouldn’t be moving at the speed of light.

    As for “Sex and the Stargate” Seriously? You’ve got to be kidding. This is the real world. I’m probably more religious than 90% of the people here, and I can deal with it, why is there this childish “Iwww!!!! Look what she’s doing!!!!!”? I certainly don’t agree morally that the characters are doing it, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s realistic.

    You people just don’t get it- It’s not about what you see, but *why* you see what you do.

    Atlantis was a great show, but it saturated the genre. It’s time for something new, and SGU is doing a pretty good job at delivering that, as long as they don’t go overboard, and are given a chance I think they’ll continue to get much better at doing so as well.

  8. Mrja84
    November 1, 2009 at 5:24 pm |

    @krdstargate Yeah SGA was a good show. when the writers can’t write stories for a character they create, they just kill the off or get rid of them. They did it to Ford, Weir, etc. So many times the writers pull **** out of nowhere to get the plot moving. At least, in SGU they don’t makeup words like “Wormhole Drive” to cut corners. This cast has great chemistry in it’s first episodes than SGA had in it’s 5 seasons.

  9. stitchprovost
    November 1, 2009 at 5:35 pm |

    The more I watch this show, the more I dislike it. The slow pace, the whiny scientists, the 90210’esqe “character development”. I honestly find myself rooting for Rush now, as he’s the only one who seems to get what’s going on and how to prioritize things. Eli’s “character development” consists of him basically needing a kick to head and being told to grow up. And the whiny scientists, complaining about the searches: “We have rights.” Seriously? These people had been living on a military base for months before getting to the ship, and they are surprised at how things are being run? I get that their whiny-ness is supposed to how normal folks relate to them, but it’s still annoying as hell. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: I enjoyed SG1 and SGA because it was about the best and brightest being the best and brightest. If I wanted to watch ill-prepared people dealing with situations that are way over their head, I’d go to the mall and watch all of the glass-eyed mouth-breathers feeble attempts at interaction…

    I’ve promised myself to give this show a full season before making a final decision of Yay or Nay, and I want the franchise to succeed, but I think in the TPTB’s attempts to reach a larger audience, they are forgetting their core audience that kept them in business for all of these years, which provided them the opportunity to do this show. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you guys. I’m rooting for you.

  10. Scott Watson
    November 1, 2009 at 5:36 pm |

    @altairantares well said.

  11. zack
    November 1, 2009 at 7:32 pm |

    I thought WATER was an absolutely excellent episode; the best so far.
    I don’t understand what Atlantis has to do with SGU. It’s hardly SGU’s fault that Atlantis was cancelled, why blame this series.
    At any rate, my opinion: Water was a great episode.

  12. Nikst
    November 1, 2009 at 7:36 pm |

    @the review writer: Don’t take this the wrong way but, at least pay attention while you watch an episode before you critic it. They never told the rest of the crew about the aliens. The only people who knew about them were Rush, Eli, TJ and some of the military personal (maybe all of the military personal) and all of them were under orders not to say anything to anybody about them. And the military personal have probably encountered alien life form before so they acted pretty convincing. Most were professional and one of them acted out of fear (the guy who got killed), Eli was freaked out and Rush was, well, he was just Rush =).

    On another matter. Why do allot of you here on the board, and sometimes even the reviewers complain about something being obvious? It’s not a mystery show, it’s not Sherlock Holmes. When I saw the alien I thought as you that they were most likely the ones who were draining the water, because we saw them do that in Air Part 3. But I wasn’t thinking like, apparently allot of you were, “damn, now I know who is behind this. They have just ruined everything for me”. I wanted to see them (the characters) figure it out, how they were going to react and act and how they then were going to solve the problem. When did surprises and twists become a requirement?

    And finally, on the matter of Eli. Was I the only one who thought that what Rush said to him was the truth? That he acted like a big baby? I mean come on, sometimes it’s better to withhold something in the name of the greater good. What would be good in telling Young that they didn’t have it under control (which wasn’t necessarily the case. Even though that guy got attacked there still was no reason to panic, TJ stood in front of the aliens and they did nothing to her, so they could draw the conclusion that “the butchered guy” probably provoked them, like Rush suspected). What could Young contribute anyway? He is not a scientist. They don’t know when they will get the chance to get water again and they didn’t have a lot of it. So I thought that Rush was completely right and Eli was just a big baby. Like a little kid who believes in always telling the truth no matter what. Sometimes that’s not true and that’s something you get when you get older.

    Anyway like I said, didn’t mean to offend anybody

  13. Orion Coran
    Orion Coran
    November 1, 2009 at 7:41 pm |

    Interesting review, although I disagree with the reviewer on some parts.

    Personally, I believe ‘Light’ had some great character moments and I didn’t find it as predictable. I knew the ship would fly near the star to replenish it’s reserves, but no way thought it would dive into it!

    ‘Water’ had some nice moments, but it didn’t keep me on my seat like ‘Light’ did. Still a decent episode though.

  14. russcan2
    November 1, 2009 at 7:53 pm |

    I love all things Stargate so I was very excited to hear that there was going to be a new Stargate show. So far I am less than impressed. I’m all for new and improved and such, but its time to get back to the basics. Stargate has always been about meeting new races and epic adventures through the Stargate. It has never been about drama or sex or being whiny little girls. This stargate is a little too dark and a little too gritty. If gritty is what stargate fans wanted we would watch Battlestar Galactica or Lost. Stargate is amusing and dangerous without being too serious or edgy. I was hoping for a new stargate that would at least uphold the basic Stargate principles. i understand they wanted to make the new Stargate different to distinguish it from the others and they have definitly achieved their goal, but in doing so they have taken away the magic that has drawn so many to stargate over the years.

    Lighten up the show, dial down the drama and blow some stuff up.

    (Where’s Jack with the C4 when you need him????)

  15. US06154
    November 1, 2009 at 8:14 pm |

    So.. Nikst, Orion Coran.. Having second thoughts/ Doubts about how brilliant SGU is? just asking, as I am interested in an objective opinion. Even Tanith has toned down her vocal ra-ra-sis-boom-bah flag waving, standing in front of the SGU flag with her hand over her heart :) LOL!! (yeah I’m just kidding..)

  16. krdstargate
    November 1, 2009 at 8:15 pm |

    “As for “Sex and the Stargate” Seriously? You’ve got to be kidding. This is the real world. I’m probably more religious than 90% of the people here, and I can deal with it, why is there this childish “Iwww!!!! Look what she’s doing!!!!!”? I certainly don’t agree morally that the characters are doing it, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s realistic.”

    You took what I said too literally, I dont mind sex in tv shows, although if I am going to watch a show for sex, then the nipple needs to make its appearance:) I really dont care about SGU showing sex before marriage or whenever. My point was that the show seems to be obsessed in concentrating on relationship rather than sci fi.

    “Excepting when an actor wanted to leave the show it was obvious that no one ever in any risk of dying”

    And did you really think that Lt. Scott was ever in danger of dying? Characters on tv show rarely die unless they want off the show or having problems with the actor. But I definitely saw more drama and excitement in SGA episodes like STORM where Mckay and Dr. Weir were desperately trying to convince Kolya of keeping them alive, or Season 2 episodes where Sheppard was trying to bring back Ford, and you know what they did with more realism,excitement and action.

    I understand wanting to build drama. In fact, the episodes of Star Trek TNG I loved were the episodes that dealt with issues of right and wrong, and morals, not the action based episodes. But I like conflict based on plot, not conflict for conflict sake. So far all the drama has just been characters fighting about personal issues. If I wanted to see a high school love drama I would watch some show on the CW like gossip girl.

    And really, you found Scott falling and getting trapped in ice a great plot???? Even the worst plot of Season 5 in SGA was better than the plot of this episode, but that’s my opinion. But seriously how can falling in ice be a 45min plot.

  17. nkilbourn
    November 1, 2009 at 8:24 pm |

    This show has soo much potential! It is really lacking right now… but I think SGA started out how should I say not slow, just that it really took me a while to get into it and like it. I hope this works out that way too. And what is up with the sex, WE DON’T NEED SEX ON STARGATE!!!!!!!! PERIOD, please stop… I know most of this season is already made but if the other episodes are anything like what water was, it was just thrown in there. It’s not too late to edit that useless sex scene out. You can show character affection w/out showing sex.

  18. krdstargate
    November 1, 2009 at 8:31 pm |

    @Mrja84 At least, in SGU they don’t makeup words like “Wormhole Drive” to cut corners. This cast has great chemistry in it’s first episodes than SGA had in it’s 5 seasons.

    This is sci fi. The reason why I watch sci fi is to here words like Wormhole drive. If you dont like hearing words like that, there is always gossip girl or grey’s anatomy.

    As for your second statement, that is simply laughable. The reason why SG-1 and SGA were so enjoyable is because the chemistry was so great.

    I really have not seen any chemistry on this show yet. And why exactly does Col. Young trust Scott so much. So far, Scott has turned off radio communication twice without giving Col. Young a good reason.

  19. Nikst
    November 1, 2009 at 8:50 pm |

    @US06154: Well if your asking if I think less of the show now then when it started, then NO. I actually think its getting better and better. The comment I made about Eli is not a critisism toward the writers, its toward Eli the character. Is the show perfect? No its not. Was SG1 and SGA perfect? Hell no, far from it. But a tv show doesnt need to be perfect for me to like it. I loved SG1 and SGA. SGU is getting there, but we have only had 6 episodes so far so Im holding on the final verdict. And if you thought that I might have changed my opinion of SGU because I dont post as often as I used to (?), then no. I dont post as often because I dont care anymore what the SGU-haters say. I have realised that they are going to continue to bash it until the end of time or if they loose their fingers. So when someone writes something negative without it being constructive critisism (when someone is bashing it for no other reason then just that: to bash it) then I just jump to the next comment.

    Didnt you used to bash it? Dont think that I have seen much negative posts from you in a while. Did you change your mind, at least a little or did you just let other people bash it for you? =)

  20. russcan2
    November 1, 2009 at 9:05 pm |

    It seems that there are too many characters running around not doing anything. They have made Chloe into a whiny bimbo, who, again, doesn’t do anything….well except for whine. Rush is a little bit too much of jerk. I’m all for conflict but you at least have to make the character likeable, at least a teeny little bit. I mean McKay was jerk but you still liked the guy….sometimes…..

  21. canonfodder
    November 1, 2009 at 9:08 pm |

    I think they (he/she) meant that Wormhole drive was never mentioned before that episode. something that big you’d think that Mckay would have had a computer screen with it on, or a passing mention of him working on something that will make him the genius of the world or something.

    I really thought this was the weakest of all the episodes so far. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed it… It’s just it wasn’t as gripping as the last few.

    Curiously, would anyone else consider the crystalline entity episode (forgot the name of it) in Season 1 of SG1 too be a slow character piece? cause it certainly feels like it is to me… and I loved it.

    I think I lost my point in this rambling…
    Just wanted to say it was an enjoyable episode but not one of would rewatch often. Thats how it is always though, there are episodes that aren’t on the same level as the rest of a season.

  22. J-Whitt987
    November 1, 2009 at 9:22 pm |

    @ nkilbourn “And what is up with the sex, WE DON’T NEED SEX ON STARGATE!!!!!!!! PERIOD, please stop… I know most of this season is already made but if the other episodes are anything like what water was, it was just thrown in there. It’s not too late to edit that useless sex scene out. You can show character affection w/out showing sex.”

    What episode were you watching? There wasn’t any sex in this episode. None that I saw anyway. I saw Scott and Chloe making out but that was it. Making out and sex are two COMPLETELY different actions.

  23. Scott Watson
    November 1, 2009 at 10:03 pm |

    Haven’t seen a “sex scene” since the first episode myself, sex was implied but not really seen in light and it was just kissing in Water. Also just to note that there hasn’t been any nudity. Like others have already said this shows realism.

    I agree though that some are saying that the sex scenes makes SGU not a show for the kids but how was getting shot at, tortured, life sucked out of them etc suitable for kids?

  24. AscendedTauri
    November 1, 2009 at 11:12 pm |

    While “Light” was a more solid episode, I LOVE this show!


  25. Jagard
    November 1, 2009 at 11:55 pm |

    I don’t know why, but I enjoyed Water more than previous episodes. That’s not to say that I would rate it as being good, but it was at least a 5 or 6 until the end, then the score nosedived to about a 3.

    Personally I think that if they had killed off Scott and let the sliced-up redshirt live, it would have conveyed a sense that no main character was safe, but alas that crevasse ex machina just had to release him and firmly establish the main character shields of the cast.

    Oh well.

    I’ll keep watching to the season finale, but if things don’t pick up by then I worry for the duration of the series and life of the franchise.

    Oh, and when Eli stops being the Wesley, and Chloe stops being so boo-hoo and whiny every second she’s on screen I think that would go a long way towards increasing the enjoyability of the show. Both of them are almost insufferable as they are now.

    And please, for the love of all that is good and holy, no more movie quotes from Eli, they are literally causing me to cringe with physical discomfort.

  26. solar1971
    November 2, 2009 at 2:47 am |

    I agree that this show has a lot of potential. Destiny can hide so many secrets. How much of the ship have they actually explored? Like Atlantis, the ship must have an infirmary or a food processor or something to make the crew’s lives a little easier! Give them a better chance for survival. How about use the communication stones to contact Dr. McKay so he can get some the ship’s systems working again? Teach Rush and Eli how to fix the ship. Can Destiny become sentient? Interact with the crew like an ancient? I would like to see an ancient ship, like Destiny, ascend. FX team, show your stuff.

  27. nemesis88417
    November 2, 2009 at 3:29 am |

    To all the naysayers out there. Dont watch the show if you dont like it.

    I for one think SGU is great. Sure its not SG-1 or SGA but its still an awesome show. These characters were not meant to be where they are and as such are out of their depth. This makes for great drama. As for those that complain about the age of some of the characters have a good hard look at what you really know about the military. Most LT’s such as SCOTT are somewhere between the ages of 20-25. He’s a relatively new and junior officer who still needs to get experience behind his belt.

    Overall I thought WATER was a good episode worthy of the title: Stargate. Im looking forward to more quality Universe for the comming episodes.

  28. JorgeJ
    November 2, 2009 at 7:55 am |

    People here still believe this show is the same as the previous ones. Ive seen them both and got bored of the formula (so did audiences) so try to enjoy something different! I for one am enjoying this show 10 times more than atlantis or the last season of sg1

  29. blagwedge
    November 2, 2009 at 9:04 am |

    While not the best episode yet, still thoroughly enjoyable though. The pace is obviousley different to the shows that have come before, but i really think that benefits SGU, i dont want to watch character development for the sake of it (this isnt Greys Anatomy after all), but it all feels justified here. Plus, since the cast are great, i WANT to know about these characters and their motivations. Towards the end (and especially in the finale) of Atlantis, i frequently felt like too much gratuitus action was being inserted at the expense of story telling, that is not happening with SGU, long may it reign. The one thing i will say though, is that SGU seems to be suffering a little from what i like to call “Enterprise” Syndrome. The early seasons of Star Trek Enterprise frequently had gratuitous sexy stuff in, REALLY gratuitous, like getting the best looking cast members to strip to their underwear and rub each other down (sorry – decontaminate each other). While SGU isnt AS gratuitous, it is certainly dabbling in that area.

  30. US06154
    November 2, 2009 at 10:35 am |

    @Nikst.. LOL!!, actually I can’t bash something I don’t watch anymore.. Hold On, just before “someone” ignorantly asks me “then what are you doing here”, Well, Gateworld is not only about SGU.. there’s other shows as well. I am always curious as to how true my predictions were, So I “observe” (I do hate using the word lurk), as to what’s happening to the show. it’s interesting to read all the comments. My Friday Night show is Bones and Dollhouse now. Stargate Fridays are gone for good. :)

  31. jjs
    November 2, 2009 at 11:26 am |

    As someone who is less than thrilled with SGU I want to address all the SGU lovers. I completely understand why many people love SGU and I am not here to try to convince you otherwise. The show has many good things in it and if you were bored with the previous formula for Stargate shows then this show has a step in a good direction. But for many of us who have followed Stargate for 15 years this show is not the direction we want to see Stargate go. And the fact Atlantis was canceled to make room for this show actually means we got hit twice: we lost a show we loved to have it replaced by something we don’t like. Double whammy.

    For me personally what I loved about SG1 and Atlantis was the fact that the characters did develop without it being so heavy handed. The shows were fun and the characters evolved naturally for the most part and were likeable. I honestly can’t stand any of these characters. To me they aren’t believable or likeable. Let me explain why in my personal opinion. Most if not all of these characters (both civilian and military) are supposedly representing the best of best. I mean the Stargate program isn’t exactly a place for slackers or people that can’t get along. I find how these characters act on the ship to be laughable and sometimes downright disgusting for Stargate personnel. For me, most of these characters are so badly portrayed/written I have no investment in any of them.

    -Lt. Scott constantly making out or having sex and turning off his radio.
    -Dr. Rush yelling at the military personnel with no repercussions.
    -Greer being so hot headed he isn’t even trusted by his own team mates
    -Chloe jumping from one needy moment to the next. (She is the character I hate the most and wish they would just get rid of)
    -All the other scientists just walking around like they have no clue what they are doing
    -The in-fighting between the military and civilians

    I can’t honestly believe most of these people would be part of the Stargate program. The characters on the other Stargate shows at least represented for the most part the kind of people we would be proud to serve with. Sure, sometimes they grated on our nerves, like Rodney did, but he was at least good at what he did. Most of these people I would be embarrassed to have at a top secret base working on a huge project to unlock the 9th chevron. The tag line is “the wrong people in the wrong place.” So how on earth were they the right people at a top secret base but all of the sudden the wrong people on this ship? If these people truly represent some of our best and brightest then they should be working together solving problems, investigating the ship, fixing things instead of constantly complaining and vying for power. I feel we are just being given drama for the sake of drama and not because the drama is actually convincing.

    So why do I watch the show you ask? Because I am hopeful, so very hopeful that maybe by mid-season we’ll see them take the show in a different direction and develop these characters into people I want to be invested in. I love Stargate and am watching out of dedication to the franchise and not because I like this show. So why post on this message board? Because I am keeping my fingers crossed the writers might actually read some of these comments to see if people like their show and perhaps some of what I said might actually been seen by someone who can make a difference.

    I go back to where I started this post, for those of you who love SGU I am happy you are liking the show. I am not trying to take away from that. But there are many of us who feel this is going to turn out as badly as Star Trek Enterprise did for the Star Trek franchise. When you change so much of what made the previous shows successful you run the risk of alienating all those fans who liked those shows. And so far I see that happening to this show and it really saddens me.

  32. Discosis
    November 2, 2009 at 11:54 am |

    I thought Light was a stronger episode, but I enjoyed Water. The effects work on the planet was pretty good.

    Can’t believe noone’s mentioned the ancient space suit designs … they kicked ass (and were a little Halo-ish, too).

  33. Scott Watson
    November 2, 2009 at 12:01 pm |

    I understand that there are those who don’t like it, can see the differences between SGU and its predecessors and some may not be into the new direction its taken.

    Need to keep in mind though that the majority of those who like SGU and are posting on these articles were also people who have been fans of the franchise for 15 years. This isn’t exclusive to those who don’t like it.

    The people on the Destiny are not meant to be the best of the best. There the wrong people (Which Col Young has mentioned a few times) and its interesting to see how people who arnt qualified to be in the situation deal with it.

    Most of the “military qualified people” were most likely involved in the battle in the pilot to provide time for the “non qualified people” to evacuate through the Stargate to Earth. It was Rush’s obsession with his project that lead to them ending up on the Destiny. Even most of the scientists probably weren’t meant to go there, there job was only to get the ninth chevron to work.

    In my opinion you can more easily place yourself in there situation more than you could in SG-1 & SGA which is what I like.

  34. Scott Watson
    November 2, 2009 at 12:13 pm |

    p.s naysayers read this

  35. Christopher
    November 2, 2009 at 12:26 pm |

    Jonah Hill is Eli Wallace. It’s so blatantly apparent how they came up with this lame character. So annoying! This show is crap so far. If you don’t want to hear how crappy this show is then ignore my post. How about that!?!

  36. zackwbrandon
    November 2, 2009 at 2:07 pm |

    Read the blog and the commentary. Sad to hear that ignorance on the part of commentators is getting so out of hand. Especially that the actors are being targeted when they are actually really awesome at what they are doing!

    However I’m equally disturbed that the showrunners instinct is to only listen to the positive and to dispute the negative comments – ignoring the vicious comments I support wholly. Joe Mallozzi is an artist and since art is a creation I can understand being defensive, but rejecting the notion that fans might actually know what they want/don’t want is a dangerous sentiment to explore…

    I appreciate their intention to continue with the story as is, I enjoy it in fact, but the critique that these characters are not behaving like SG personnel is ringing truer and truer with each episode.

    I remember a time in SG1 and SGA when to even be considered for participation with the SG program the IOA had to approve of you and you had to pass a battery of incredible tests. So while these folks may not have been chosen to go on the expedition, I find it disengaging and distracting that only Rush, TJ, and Young can behave professionally (and Rush is tenuously professional at best…).

    I’m also gonna put forth a bit of speculation: I think Scott (the character not the actor just to avoid any upset) suffers from sex addiction. Think about it: it explains the impulsive actions undertaken to get intimacy, the flashback in the church from Air pt.1, and the fact that literally every episode has included some reference to him seeking interpersonal contact.

    I’m hopeful too. I’ll watch whatever they make up as long as it doesn’t get completely boring. But I agree that it is a pretty think path they have elected with the endless ‘interpersonal conflict’ premise. I’m keeping my fingers crossed for some more humor. Keep the drama, but please have some more trademark SG irony.

  37. krdstargate
    November 2, 2009 at 2:10 pm |

    @JJS you hit it out of the park!!! I agree with you completely.

    I would also like to add, that people who criticized my posts seem to think that I am some puritanical radical who cannot stand to see nudity, sex or physical intimacy of any kind on screen or in sci fi. That is not true. I can appreciate intimacy if it is done right. A good example of this is Firely, which is regarded as one of the best sci fi shows ever, despite its short run. Anyone who has watched Firefly knows that there is quite a good bit of sex and nudity in the show (I mean come on one of the main characters in the show is a prostitute, sorry I meant Companion). However, the nudity and sex never bothered me. And no, the characters were not perfect, and they did things that made me angry certain times. But I still loved them and I loved the show. Because they came across as realistic, and the conflict and romance was not shoved down our throats, but was natural between the characters and situational.

    Its not just the moments of intimacy but how they are presented. For example, some have argued that it was wrong for people to criticize Chloe and Scott hooking up in Darkness (or may be it was Light who remembers), because they probably spent more time together, and we just never got to see it. I’m sorry, I thought this show was about intimacy, should’nt you be building the relationship. On SGA, in season 5, when they showed Rodney was serious with a botanist it did not surprise me. Why? Because, the show was about action and sci fi, so I did not expect the show to concentrate on showing characters getting romantically involved. However, being human, it was no surprise that behind the scenes unknown to us the characters would be using their free time for romance. But when you state that your show is about interpersonal dynamics and relationships, then should’nt you be actually concentrating on how the relationships develop rather than simply throwing people together and expecting the audience to assume that they developed deep bonds behind the scenes?

  38. tkme
    November 2, 2009 at 9:07 pm |

    Acturally bothered to register on here to make a comment for once…I’m an avid sci-fi fan like most seem to be here. I can understand the show’s producers/writers wanting to do something different with Stargate, but the way their doing SGU diviates so much from what Stargate has been that it’s not very entertaining to watch anymore.
    This last episode Water is/was so boring…I mean yea we get that these ppl aren’t supposed to be there and they’re the wrong ppl in the wrong place…
    Basically it seems to be that the writers and using the Stargate franchise to write something that isn’t stargate anymore and in the process dragging the majority of us that have been fans for a very long time along for the ride…knowing we’ll be stick around just for the hope of it getting better…which isn’t and currently seem to be getting worse with each episode.

  39. tkme
    November 2, 2009 at 10:42 pm |

    If they have these space suits why don’t they try to access other parts of the ship with them.

  40. Scott Watson
    November 2, 2009 at 10:56 pm |

    @tkme the majority of us who like SGU were fans of the Stargate franchise for a very long time aswell (Like I said before that isn’t exclusive to those who don’t like it).

    Regarding the spacesuits they only just got 2 ready, there is no crucial need to access other parts of the ship right away. They may in the future when they don’t have more important things to think about: such as water. And when they get more suits in working condition.

  41. dmoas
    November 2, 2009 at 11:10 pm |


    -O’Neill and Sheppard both were known for doing things against orders, their careers were full of things that I’m sure were things like Scott does. Now, granted they also have/had a history of success too, but remember, Jack was chosen originally less about his merits and more about his willingness to die.
    -Rodney always yelled at the military personnel with little to no repercussions. Why should you expect Rush to be treated differently? The only real difference I see is the CO isn’t stepping in and pushing his authority, but he has a lot more to deal with than Rush’s eraticness and hasn’t exactly been a slouch either.
    -Greer was probably on his way home at the beginning and only wound up with them because of a lack of options, but yeah, he’s a bit grating on the nervous.
    -Chloe, started out okay, but then went south in a hurry, no real disagreement there.
    – The other scientist, etc. Kavanagh. Easily the least qualified person to be in the program. Sent to Atlantis. Sent to the midway station. “The Other Guys” a group of people less than qualified to be doing what they did, basically the SG-1 version of the three stooges. Woolsey, not really fit to lead. There’s precedence for all of this within the cannon.

    If you don’t like the characters, that’s fine. Just be consistent. I suspect there are better reasons not to like it/them then “omg people are showing affection for each other or real emotions, we’re all going to die” (not that you were making that argument), just don’t point to things that occurred in the other series as though they’re being inconsistent.

  42. jonnyb57
    November 3, 2009 at 5:04 am |

    I wish that people would get away from the idea that the producers of Stargate decided to create Universe instead of Atlantis. When SGA came up for renewal, it was made clear that Sy Fy didn’t want a fluffy, glossy “alien of the week speaks english” series. You need to look around you and smell the coffee. They wanted a grittier, more realistic show with multiple story arcs and deeper character development because that’s what is selling right now. The glossy, camp, rubber alien of the week show is a formula that’s been going on since the sixties and it’s now seen as very tired. It was never a choice between SGU and Atlantis. It was a choice between SGU and nothing. This show is quite consciously not directly aimed at fans of the existing shows. Why? Because the existing fan base couldn’t justify the show so it needed to attract new fans – people who watched BSG and who watch Lost and, yes, Greys Anatomy and 90210. Basically the people who weren’t previously watching Stargate. I said earlier, SGU or nothing. As such, if you don’t like SGU, you’re welcome to the nothing.

  43. shaq33
    November 3, 2009 at 5:40 am |

    why is everyone that likes this show is as slow as the show? Why does everyone think that since we like SG1 and SGA and didn’t like the idea that this show is based more on Drama, and charcter devlepment and not no story acr that we don’t get what the show is about? News flash we know what the show is about, we just didn’t like the new direction, and after watching we don’t like what is going on, not becase just becase of the constant whining bad acting and wrting not becase it is more of drama based, becase it is simpley a bad show in every aspect, not becase it isn’t more of a scifi or action based, it simpley a bad show. it fails as a drama,a drama should be dromatic but it isn’t, it is bland, there is nothing to the show. These writers were good at what they were doing, they are bad at what they are trying to do. the show is slower than a snale, it is boring, and everything they attimpet just fails, as an action it fails, as scifi it fails, as a drama it fails, as a show that entertains at any level it simpley fails. Am not baist becase I prefer action or scifi to drama, I watch other shows that are charcter and drama based and I enjoy them, am not baiast becase I hated that Atlanis was canceled, ofcourse I didn’t like it, but I was excited at the same time they annouced that SGU was comming, and I was excited by some of the coments the producers said about the show, they said that they hated drama shows that were slow, and told us that we shouldn’t miss any epi of the first 10 becase they were going to be moveing very fast, that most of the alians weren’t going to be make up or ruber, that they were going to be CGI which I was most excited about by the way. well THEY LIED, this is one of the slowest show I have ever seen, can you tell me what happend in 6 epis so far. I’ll tell you,
    1. got on the desteny
    2. ran out of air found air.
    3. ran out of enrgy the SHIP found some
    4. ran out of water found 2 cubes of ice.

    6 frelling eps what happend four things, oh sorry I forgot 2 more things they had sex, and they fight with each other. Where is the movement oh yeas they must have ment the ship moves through space, where are the alians oh yeas we saw 2 alians no no wait it was one ailian twice, no no wait it wasn’t a frelling alian it was sand, and really really excited at the prospect of the show, once the dead star moving they might still find this show slow for thier tast, and even the hope i have that the show might get cancelled and we would get a show that does something is over since a lot of people seem to enjoy dullness.

    Long time fans of the show became fans of the show becase of what the show was and how it was done, if I wanted to watch days of our frelling lives, I would go and watch that rubbish, but guess what it really is simple I watched stargate for what stargate was, not for this rubbish. as someone said even the writers can’t figrue out a good story so they have to steal form atlantis six eps in and they are running out of ideas.

    What dramatic things are they doing they have dealt with sex four times so far in 6 epi, and there is one more coming up soon with Dr.Rush, man 7 or 8 epis and we have to deal with sex just about as many times. They have nothing, please do yourself a favor and stick with what you know and where you were the best at. if I wanted a frelling cheesburger I would go to chef and a frelling Pilot, and if I wanted to travel I would go to a pilot not a chef. Damn it Stargate is a scifi show, not a day time sopapra.

  44. Scott Watson
    November 3, 2009 at 5:51 am |

    @shaq33 that seriously would of sounded more compelling if you had ran it through a spellchecker.

    Like others have said: If you don’t like it, don’t watch its that simple.

  45. caelestes
    November 3, 2009 at 6:08 am |

    I was wondering about the water situation. I had got the impression that they had lost a very significant amount of water, that one or two trips for blocks of ice would not be enough. Perhaps this will be addressed in the next episode or so.

    Anyway, this show is a propaganda machine. It is a conspiracy. Infidels have taken over the network. The name change says it all. SciFi-SyFy. AHh, Dr. Rush said the ship was sent out hundreds of thousands of years ago, even though the Ancients left Earth millions of years ago. The Ancients never created the ship Destiny. The infidels are attempting to rewrite history. Out with them!!!

    Ok, I’m just having a bit of fun haha. I think the show is all right, excepting some completely inappropriate components that have destroyed more than one series.

  46. redfox000
    November 3, 2009 at 9:22 am |

    @jjs – EXACTLY! Well said.

  47. ictus75
    November 3, 2009 at 12:37 pm |

    So far SGU is turning out to be everything SGA failed to be. While I loved SGA, the biggest mistake they made in the series was when they reestablished a physical link back to earth. I thought things were much more exciting when they were cut off and on their own. When it became a “we’re just waiting for a ship to bring us more supplies” thing, I feel they lost a key element of the show.

    SGU, other than the alien body switching device, has the team completely cut off from Earth and on their own. Yea! I loved when Col. Young said to Lt. Scott, who was about to shoot the waterfall, “Remember, all we have are the bullets we brought with us.” On Atlantis they were always shooting like they had an endless supply of bullets (well, they did – sometimes it got to be like Gilligan’s Island, where they seemed to have brought 100 tons of cargo on the S.S. Minnow). I’m hoping Universe will continue to play up the ‘limited supply’ theme and that the crew will have to be creative and truly survive. What happens to SGU when they do run out of bullets, or food, or clothes, or anything? This is an opportunity for great story telling.

  48. shaq33
    November 3, 2009 at 12:41 pm |

    @tanith is that really all you have to say, I spell badly, just like this like the show leaves out the important details, and concentrait on the boring ones, I can’t spell whoptydo you just figured out the atom bomb, guess what I know am a bad spelling and a typer, very origan great I really haven’t heard that before, just like the show very origanl, all SGU fans the first thing they comment on is my splling they are just as orginal and consitstan consistantly bad as the show they love so much. Robots anyone just becase it is stargate there for we must love it. No I’ll watch it or not that is my choice not yours, and it is alos my choice to come here and post comments now if you don’t like them you don’t have to read them Lol :-)

  49. shaq33
    November 3, 2009 at 1:16 pm |

    @ictus75 and all SGU fans. it really is amazing to me how delusinal SGU fans really are (stop it shaq33 bad speller shame on you really really shame, guess what I don’t care :-) that am a bad speller if I did I would even try to fix it) they talk about things that were bad on Atlantis but they excuse it on SGU. 1. They are sick of middeavel village locations, and on SG1 forests location guess we didn’t like them so much eather, but guess what how many locations have we had so far on SGU or how many will we have, if you have not guessed it not many 90% of the show is going to be on one ship if you haven’t figured that out probilby not yet wiat for it 3 more years and you’ll get it. 2. Stail and boring all atlantis season 5 epis you cansder them as such, that Rodney just saved everyone’s toshtosh way to many times, let see how many times someone saved anyone on SGU so far, yeah right they are all boring dumb idiot that are in the wrong place at the worng time and dont know anything, so the ship has to save them what is it now 6 epis, and the ship saved ther toshies three time or was for out of 6 epis really depening how you look at it. 3. Connections to earth MAN come on how can yo even say that with a good consiounce. Atlantis were cut of from earth for a whole year, nothing nota zip. what happens here for the first four epis we have 2 or 3 people going to earth just simpley to cry to people who know abslatoly nothing about SG program, you really think that is cool and it is no connection wake up, if the show is about personal relation ship, that that equles connection to earth, and beaside if this show is suppsed to be more realstic, do you really really belive that a Top secret program would allow a littly whiny little girl just to go and tell her momey about the Stargate program becase show is really really truly upset. Come on this show has nothing realistc about it. thier co is a whiny little girl, instead of working the problem he goes to cry to his wife, how is that for realzem, am going to do so I go spend about a day with my wife, which by the way am not the one who is really there someone else is. And how is that for realazem everyone is going to blow up in a sun, and the guy betrayed everone, the guy who was crying like a littel girl becase people just didn’t get him or inveted him to dinner, the guy who thinks that the Desteny is the greatest thing that was discoverd since the discovery of the stargate itself go to his room to read a book, not try and figure out at least what is going on, no we are all deing and he goes to read a book, the other guy goes nude why, do you think if you are nude that the sun wont burn. oh yeah and their CO just simpley surrenders gives up, and goes slepy slepy.

    Seriously people this show has so much potentianl the ship has so much potintioal to be a great scifi show. They are on an adventure so far into space, no other scifi show has ever been that far just on the screen about 20 or 30 glaxies a way form earth, an alian ship that can withstand the corona of the sun, not even on Star trek, Star wars, Babylon 5, Andramada, have we had this type of apprtounty for exploration, and stargate is a scifi show yes has comdy, and action yes and can have a good dose of drama if it si good just like what they have done before make it good not this, but at it’s core stargate is about exploration and metting new people aquaring technolgy go and whatch SG1 weather you like it or not it is the orgianl next to the move and that is what it is about. it sin’t about whiney people who steal food rations. we are billins of light years away 30 galaxies away just imagen the posiblity on a ship that simpley amazing, and all they do if fight, and their best of the beast even if they were the worng people they are the best of the best, they give up, they moan they don’t follow order. is that what is really to you, that we are so bad non of us can come togther under even these cerucm stances that is really what the best and the brightest represnet, they give up they go read books while the world is falling a part, the goo and hookup how good was that, that isn’t really that is bullcrap, becase if I was dieing I wouldn’t bee reading a book I wouldn’t be hooking up, I would be trying to find a way to live, the only beliveable carchter is the one who was trying to live and guess what non of them were, dont’ tell me that stuped sargent tried one punch form greer he was out, I’ll bet you it would take Rodney at least two punchs the woss of SGA is more manley and determand that all of the SGU team put togther.

  50. shaq33
    November 3, 2009 at 1:30 pm |

    @caelestes loooooooooooooooooool, that first person i heard that likes this show with any sence of realy humar.

  51. ictus75
    November 3, 2009 at 4:32 pm |

    @shaq33 – yes, the show has a lot of potential, and after only 6 episodes I feel that they are establishing a solid base to explore that potential. I’m sure once they manage to secure food/water/air and other necessities, they will be able to explore their Universe more. I for one welcome the character development and while not perfect, it’s better than any other current sci-fi show out there.

    Also, remember that spell check is your friend. I can skip your posts just as you said. ;-)

  52. jjs
    November 3, 2009 at 4:56 pm |

    Wow, this thread keeps on going. If nothing else SGU has definitely got the forums goings. Both Tanith and DMoas wrote very good responses I wanted to keep the conversation going.

    @tanith – I think the biggest difference between you and I on the characters is that to you the characters represent “real” people that we can relate to. However, my problem is that real people I can relate to sure as hell wouldn’t be qualified to end up at Icarus base. If this show would have been about a group of random people being thrown onto this ship with no training or chain of command then yes, the characters would be believable to me. For example, I actually do like the characters on Lost because it really was about a bunch of total strangers having to come together. However, having this group of survivors come from an off-world Stargate base that already had a chain of command and people who were already working together on a common problem makes how these characters are acting unrealistic. You and I may never agree on this point, but I will never accept that Stargate personnel would act the way these people are acting currently on this ship. Until I see more professionalism and what I would expect from Stargate personnel I will continue to be let down by this show’s characters. I can give some leeway to Eli and Chloe because there really weren’t Stargate personnel, but the rest of them ship is made up of SGC military, SGC scientists and IOA personnel. People who should be acting a lot more professional in a time of crisis.

    @dmaos – yes, in the other shows characters had flaws too. O’Niell, Weir, almost every member of the Stargate teams had done stuff at some point in time that was out of line. However, because the characters were likeable and in many cases defying orders for a greater purpose (like Weir and them stealing a puddle jumper to go save Atlantis) I felt the disobeying of orders was actually good character growth. In the case of the SGU characters it more or less comes across to me as just plain unprofessionalism. These characters aren’t betraying orders or acting unprofessional for a greater good in most cases, they are just acting that way because they can or for the writers to instill drama. We barely know these characters but if I met any one of them in real life I wouldn’t want to continue to get to know them based on what I have seen.

    I do think SGU has a lot of promise. The ship is cool as hell and the premise of the show is sound. I just think that between how the characters are being developed and the incredibly slow pace my once giddy feeling on Friday of a new Stargate episode is now gone. I have a group of friends who I have watched Stargate with for years religiously and most of them aren’t even sure they want to continue watching the show for the same reasons I mentioned above.

    And contrary to how it may seem I don’t mind more drama in the characters. Hell some of the BEST episodes of SG1 and Atlantis had very little action scenes and were all character driven. But drama without investment in the characters is hollow and that is how I feel. You seem to like the characters so the drama is much more profound for you. Whereas for me (and many others I have seen post) until we actually start to like the characters and care about them the constant drama isn’t an effective story telling tool.

    If I could make suggestions on what it would take for me to like the show it would be to put more balance between the character development and some actual action. Grow these characters by having them accomplish stuff instead of us learning about them through all the negativity. I absolutely hated the character of Rush until the episode Light where he and Col Young actually had a good conversation on the shuttle. That one interaction where the character went from being a total PITA to someone I found more believable allowed me to get invested in him a little. That is what I am asking for. I don’t want to only focus on all the short comings of the group and how “they are the wrong people.” Show me how they can be the right people and then I’ll get invested.

    Again, not trying to wreck anything for those of you who like the show. My intention was only to explain why the show isn’t working for me and ways it could possibly become a show I look forward to watching. I do plan on giving it at least half a season to decide if I continue watching. So my hopes are it will impress me.

  53. mattcci
    November 3, 2009 at 9:05 pm |

    @jjs Amazingly accurate commentary. You read my mind.

  54. SGUfanatic
    November 3, 2009 at 10:48 pm |

    I enjoy this site very much, however I am to the point that I probably will not read the posts any more. While I agree everyone has the right to voice their opinion there are those that get abusive to others. Abusive to not just the other posters, but the writers/directors/actors/etc. This show was made and put on the air as entertainment which I for one am grateful for. I will post maybe one last time on here so here goes
    Water: It was a good episode in that it showed the relationship between Young and Scott. Young expressed how he felt about Scott and the fact that he refused to leave him there to die. Chloe was great when she yelled at Rush, good for her. Eli, even with his jealousy towards Scott was there to help when Young got Scott back to Destiny….showed the fact that while he would prefer it was himself with Chloe he was man enough to still care about the other guy, also if you watch closely Eli’s reactions to what is being said about Scott he was in agreement. TJ and Greer were shown in a great light working together. The alien scene was good in the fact that it recognized both TJ and Scott…..when it recognized Scott and almost seemed to nod at him like “thank you”.

    As far as Joe Mallozzi’s blog is concerned, can you blame the guy? I was saying “here here” glad that he said what he did. The actor most attacked was Brian Jacob Smith who has been doing a superb job. That post got over 430 replies 90% of which were in support.

    Once again, if you really dont like it, DONT WATCH IT. Leave the rest of us in peace and save the space on the pages for those that review honestly, give opinions that dont hurt or inflame, and pertain to the episode and not religion, sex, etc. Sorry if I offended. Wasnt my intention.

  55. jdorje
    November 5, 2009 at 9:45 am |

    I must say i`m SO disappointed of the universe show. It started of bad but hey, i figure you gotta give it a chance,right. But after watching the last episode, water(worst episode ever), i think the show hit rock bottom.
    It has nothing to offer in any area like sg1 or SA.
    Poor acting,poor storyline, no characters you like at all. Ive been watching the other said shows and they where class acts.I loved them
    Sorry to say i wont be watching SU anymore since i find it a total waste of time. I really hope they cancel. They can do alot better

  56. Scott Watson
    November 5, 2009 at 11:11 am |

    @jdorje okay bye.

  57. flmatthew
    November 5, 2009 at 12:12 pm |

    Someone help me understand this. This ship was sent out empty x amount of years ago to travel the universe empty until the ancients decided to join the ship. Ok, so far makes not sense but then what gets me is who went out ahead of the ship to install the gates and what ship were they on. If that happened first then why the second ship at all? As to the suggestion that SGU merge some of Atlantis I would only say this. Atlantis to me was only good when the Michael character was in it hot and heavy. He added some excitement. As to never killing people off, cmon, no major star is ever killed off until contract talks or end of series.

  58. modsquad
    November 5, 2009 at 2:05 pm |

    I am always amazed at people who argue over what is obvious opinion. What is my “reality” may not be your “reality”. But some people just have to try and convince someone else their “reality” is wrong. Having said all that. I don’t have a problem with people stating what they don’t like about the show. They actually don’t like it for those reasons. Are they wrong, no. I also don’t have a problem with people who like the show for certain reasons. I happen to fall more on the don’t care for the show. As of this week it is now relegated to watching the DVR recording of it whenever I get around to it. I just don’t happen to like the pace of the show, the character development, etc. To me its a drama set in space. Some people may say that makes me shallow, action lover, etc. To me they haven’t developed a compelling story arc. I will continue to watch it but not waste my Fridays doing it. The writing to me is suspect, as it had become in the last years of both SGA and SG1. If they had written episodes like “Vegas” for SGA then it would probably still be on the air. That one episode to me is what would appeal to me on SGU. Instead I get a lack of any sort of action/adventure. But SGU may something about the direction the new SyFy is taking.

  59. Scott Watson
    November 5, 2009 at 2:08 pm |

    @flmatthew Several ships were sent ahead of the Destiny (The ship there on in SGU) to seed the universe with Stargates. The Ancients had planned on using the Stargate to board Destiny when it was far out enough into the universe, but learned how to ascend before that time.

    So more or less they sent out seeder ships first which would construct and/or seed planets with Stargate and the Destiny would then later be used to gate to them. Was probably some kind of experiment to see what the planets were like that far out.

  60. jdorje
    November 9, 2009 at 8:09 am |

    And who might you be?
    I know my post looks harsh but in reality its my disappointment shining through.No disrespect intended. The loss is mine since stargate is the only show i watch/watched. I do hope the stargate franchise will continue to be strong and that there eventually will be a show that appeals to me and those others that don`t like SU.

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