62 Responses

  1. psw
    January 24, 2011 at 12:47 pm |

    SGA’s premiere got 4.2 million viewers. :-)


  2. Sylvia
    January 24, 2011 at 2:45 pm |

    Enjoyed the podcast again. I did notice that the more critical of the comments came from the female viewers, which was, perhaps, part of the problem with SGU and its ratings.

    Re saying that SG1 and SGA had more time for people to become invested in the characters, I think it is folly to have a show take 30 episodes and people are still waiting for this. They needed to hook viewers quick so they don’t bleed away like they did. There was MUCH more fanfic and posting on the character/relationship threads in the first 2 seasons of Atlantis (wasn’t around for SG1 but suspect it would have been similar) than SGU has inspired. This tells me that, sadly, the characters just weren’t as engaging to many people.

  3. Mentat
    January 24, 2011 at 4:15 pm |

    It ain’t over until they destroy the sets.

  4. wingsabre
    January 24, 2011 at 4:15 pm |

    I think the difference between seeing a resolutions of the Goa’uld and Wraith is with the Goa’uld you could see significant victories. You can see movement, where big Goa’ulds were taken out. Like Cronus, Apophis, Hathor, etc… You could see that the odds of wining was insurmountable, but there was movement. In contrast to the Wraith, there was no real big baddy. It was an amalgam of random Wraith villain, and the war with them was essentially a war of attrition. Had the Wraith been given names, had they been organized in a different way, it would feel that there would be some progress.

    SyFy as a whole, handled all of this poorly. They alienated fans with the cancellation of SGA, when they could have at least ordered a half season or done a better job transitioning to SGU. SyFy’s approach with moving things to Tuesdays was also a poor choice. They should have done what other cable networks like AMC is doing, and stagger their shows. Air Sanctuary now, then replace Sanctuary’s time slot with SGU, followed by Caprica. They can reair the episodes on Tuesdays. If that didn’t work, they could have moved Ghost Hunters to Tuesdays, and have SGU and Caprica on Wednesdays. The network just handled things poorly from a strategic and PR perspective.

    In terms of Smackdown, it doesn’t make sense to have it on SyFy, because the audience just don’t match. However, it can bring in new male audience, so they should at least require Smackdown to have a resident Klingon on the show.

  5. general grievous
    general grievous
    January 24, 2011 at 4:24 pm |

    @Sylvia, I emphasize. In fact I think that *the* reason for SGU’s failure to keep viewers is that the characters were almost impossible to relate to.

    They were just *too* flawed, almost unrealistically flawed.

    This was, unfortunately, by design (i.e., the writers created it this way on purpose).

    I honestly fail to see how someone can relate to / identify with / admire and tune in to characters who whine, bicker, lie pathologically or are otherwise negative and annoying on a regular basis.

    To top this, SGU was a show that actually wanted to *focus* on characters, be a character driven show and so on.

    So when you actually focus on characters but create such unrelatable characters, good things don’t happen I guess.

  6. Sylvia
    January 24, 2011 at 4:31 pm |

    @wingsabre, if I understand the way things happened, Syfy would have aired SGA and SGU together in that first season of SGU but MGM/TBTB did not offer that to them. They offered Syfy the promise of an SGA Movie instead. And Syfy agreed. They all thought this would work out and the movie would be a good continuation for SGA, but it just didn’t happen.

  7. Sylvia
    January 24, 2011 at 4:36 pm |

    @general grevious, like one of the podcast callers said, they’d follow Jack or Sheppard or Ronon or Teal’c into battle but would be afraid if they were with any of the SGU characters in a similar situation.

  8. Hallnavy
    January 25, 2011 at 12:19 am |

    People keep bringing up the fact what happened to SyFy, and it seems that ever since Disney bought SciFi, it became SyFy….things changed…..hmmm… :)

  9. The Admiral
    The Admiral
    January 25, 2011 at 12:25 am |

    @Hallnavy- Dude, get your facts straight. Disney never bought SyFy, its always been the property of NBC/Universal. You want a corporate baddie to blame, then blame them. Next time, try and do proper research before posting unfounded comments.

  10. Davidtourniquet
    January 25, 2011 at 11:06 am |

    I cannot understand (as a non-US viewer of SGU), why a so called science fiction based channel would want to cancelled a show that has won a screenwriting award, been nominated for many awards including best scifi show of 2009 in the constellation awards and outstanding special effects for a series in the emmys. Also, a show that won numerous LEO awards as well. I know that SyFy changed it’s name to try and accomodate other shows, but wrestling? Come on! Is the population so unintelligent that all we are allowed to watch is someone throwing someone else through a cage. Give us a break please!!

  11. janet99
    January 25, 2011 at 11:10 am |

    The thing is Universe change massively in feel during its first season. It’s easy to forget that the first half of the first season was a sort of 90210 teen drama knock-off. Long, slow conversations about nothing even remotely sci-fi related and “poignant” (but actually just boring) 8 minute chats with Kinos, were the order of the day.

    This started changing rapidly during the 2nd half of season 1 and such scenes (thankfully) became an appropriately timed rarity in season 2.

    I guess the damage had already been done. I would love to know what could have been had they simply not included anything between about AIR and SPACE (with the exception of the simply excellent TIME episode). I’d bet if SGU season 1 had gone AIR(s), TIME, SPACE, then as normal, SGU would have a massively higher audience following.

  12. Skiznot
    January 25, 2011 at 2:53 pm |

    I keep meaning to call the show but fortunately my opinion is always represented. It’s nice to know that I’m not the only one who thinks SGU was the best of the franchise. Funny thing is I agree with the woman who never watched SGU out of anger at the SGA cancellation because now I’m in the same boat because I won’t be watching anything on Syfy because of the SGU cancellation. It helps that I’m not really into the more campy shows and that the BSG ending kind of killed my interest in future BSG titles.

  13. katikatnik
    January 25, 2011 at 6:59 pm |

    @wingsabre: a) SyFy didn’t cancel SGA. They wanted SGA to continue in any way possible – see the Comic Con panel of 2008, out of the mouth of the VP of SyFy’s programing. They wanted both, SGA and SGU. TPTB said no, we won’t do two shows but we offer you a new show with much longer life span ahead AND an SGA movie – SyFy already OWNS the airing right for said movie that was never delivered to them, so NO, NOT SYFY’S FAULT.

    b) “they could have moved Ghost Hunters to Tuesdays, and have SGU and Caprica on Wednesdays”

    Why should they risk moving an established, cheaper show that actually delivers ratings to prop a failing, expensive one? They dropped Tues. wrestling, which opened a slot in their schedule for SGU AND allowed them to buy Smackdown. Sounded like a good plan, especially since Warehouse 13 does deliver ratings in that very time slot.

  14. general grievous
    general grievous
    January 25, 2011 at 8:29 pm |

    @janet99 Oh yes, I totally forgot those first episodes. Or maybe suppressed my memory of them is more accurate.

    However I did watch the entire show (all 1.5 seasons). The show did get somewhat better (most importantly, had a bit less of the petty negative tone) but still not enough to engage in my opinion.

    Personally, I think what happened with SGU is the natural course of what happens to a boring, non engaging show.

  15. AlbertaJay
    January 25, 2011 at 8:35 pm |

    katikatnik: SGA was on it’s way out back in season 3. Most SG fans are so pissed that they haven’t given SGU the same chance they gave SGA when it started. Added to the fact that General Grevious is right about the character flaws done by the witers and you’ve go a recipe for disaster. EVERY side has had a finger in the pudding of sabotage and yet its only us fans who really end up suffering as the actors and writers find other jobs, and the studios and TPTB find other programming. It’s really a shame as if we went back to the original movie and compared SG1, SGA & SGU…I think the SGU premise had the most potential, but we’ll never know.

  16. Browncoat1984
    January 26, 2011 at 10:21 pm |

    To me I think a lot of people IMO miss the point of SGU. 50% of the complaints I see about the characters (at least 50%) are how there’s no heroes we can love like Jack O’Neill or John Shepphard. If fans remember correctly, said characters did not start out the heroes we wound up loving. Both John and Jack had their own trials by fire to turn them into the heroes that we love – Jack in the original movie wanted to kill himself! So far I haven’t seen ANY SGU characters become suicidal – Young got pretty close but he still didn’t go that far.

    I see SGU as being the journey that these people go on to BECOME the type of heroes that we know and love in SG-1 and SGA and the various Star Treks, etc. This is how they develop into those heroes and yes, it will be bumpy, but I have a feeling that’s the direction the writers were going with and I think a lot of people missed this point in comparing it to SG-1 and Atlantis.

  17. charcad
    January 26, 2011 at 11:06 pm |

    @The Admiral

    NBC-Universal has only owned Syfy since 2004. Now things are coming into focus, aren’t they?

    NBC taking over Syfy worked just like a Goa’uld symbiote taking over a human host, but for real. Suddenly the host body begins doing all manner of bizarre things the original person would never have imagined, and would never do even if they had imagined them.

    NBC’s corporate culture has never known how to handle sci-fi programming. This goes all the way back to the original Star Trek series in the 1960s. Acquiring an entire sci-fi network did not cure this disability. Instead the incapacity will destroy the sci-fi dimension of the “Syfy” network.

    There’s no point blaming junior executives with fancy titles on cheap plastic plaques on broom closet doors. They can’t decide to spend the kind of money needed to buy all the wrestling events without reference to corporate higher-ups. Let alone decide to do this and try to rent ad space.

    With SGU they tried – and failed – to make a sci-fi reality show. “Survivor & Bachelorette In Space” were the driving themes.

  18. wingsabre
    January 27, 2011 at 4:59 am |

    @katikatnik. 1. ok, not SyFy’s fault for SGA, but you can’t say there was no blame for the SGA backlash that did damage SGU. It created bad blood, that is in many ways similar to the bad blood that was created between star trek fans, and the producers of enterprise.

    2. It’s done all the time on network television. They move all their schedules around based on what they think will maximize viewers. The problem with having both Caprica and SGU on Tuesdays is it’s not one of those shows that’s made for Tuesdays. Not so much a family show, and it’s very much something people want to watch and think about for a while. Moving them to Wednesdays may help because it’s counter programming. But like I said, it would have been a better idea to not move the series at all, but instead just air a full season on Fridays after Smackdown. Alternate the different series that airs after Smackdown, so after SGU finishes it’s season run, Caprica continues, and then Sanctuary. It’s essentially what other networks do. Like AMC with Breaking Bad, followed by Mad Men, followed by the Walking Dead. They don’t really air concurrently.

  19. katikatnik
    January 27, 2011 at 8:07 am |

    @wingsabre: What created the most bad blood was the way the cancellation was handled, especially by BW and Co. If they expected loyalty from viewers whom they explicitly told they weren’t their target group, then they were nuts. Discontent SGA fans were told that there wasn’t enough of them to hurt SGU, by BW personally – a year later, SGU’s drop is blamed (among other things) on discontent SGA fans. BW canNOT have it both ways. Either he underestimated the rift they caused in the fandom or he’s making excuses.

    And I think that neither Caprica, nor SGU were made for a Smackdown lead-out. I very much doubt that the Smackdown crowd would follow a heavily serialized character drama. That’s like pairing up fruitloops with champagne.

    @AlbertaJay: The 1.6 mil. viewers that SGA had in its 5th season would disagree with you, I think. In its 5th season, SGA’s ratings equalled SGU’s in its 1st season. As Briangate/squall said many times: SGU was living on borrowed time once it dropped below SGA’s average numbers, not to mention when it dropped to FRANCHISE low. Why should SyFy keep the most expensive SG show yet that’s delivering the lowest ratings yet?

  20. Jauh0
    January 27, 2011 at 10:58 am |

    @katikatnik: A point that many pro-SGU fans fail to realize.

  21. The Tenth Doctor
    The Tenth Doctor
    January 27, 2011 at 3:57 pm |

    This is like watching a bunch of bloody amateurs.

  22. Jauh0
    January 27, 2011 at 4:24 pm |

    @The Tenth Doctor: Are you watching us? You sick twisted man!

  23. Jauh0
    January 27, 2011 at 4:26 pm |

    @The Tenth Doctor: But seriously, we are amateurs. Are you somesort of “professional fan”? What do you mean with your comment anyway?

  24. wingsabre
    January 27, 2011 at 6:47 pm |

    @katikatnik. In all honesty, SGA was starting to be rather bipolar. There was quick fix, they did very little introduction of something like the wormhole drive only to quicken plots. From a critical perspective, it looked like SGA was simply running out of ideas. They didn’t say that, but I think the lack of imagination for that series led to it not being perused for another series. Plus, we all knew that they were working on SGU before SGA was canceled. They were talking about SGU after SG-1 was canceled.

    Plus, it doesn’t matter if the audience for Smackdown is different from the audience of SGU or Caprica. Is the audience for House the same as American Idol? What about the audience of ER being the same as Fraiser? Smackdown has a male audience, and there’s enough guns and sex on both series to get some lead in. It may not retain a lot of the audience, but it will introduce SyFy to people who don’t normally do it.

  25. katikatnik
    January 27, 2011 at 7:17 pm |

    @wingsabre: I agree that these writers have the imagination of a gnat – but don’t forget it’s the same writers who work on SGU now! – but it didn’t really matter because the show was still delivering ratings. You can have as imaginative show as you want, but that doesn’t mean it’ll be popular with the viewers. Something in SGA obvously clicked for people, ratings wise SGA S5 = SGU S1 (the difference was like 50k people on average). And it’s really bad when a show in its 1st year can’t beat the ratings of a show in its 5th.

  26. steffarella
    January 27, 2011 at 7:51 pm |

    I don’t care what anyone says SG1 still had some life left in it. Yes the writing had become a little stale but with the additional new characters towards the end all it needed was a bit of fresh blood in the writing pool and you could have easy gotten another couple of seasons out of it!!

    SGA also had more life left in it, the characters were fantastic, as per SG1. Again, it suffered from the same slightly stale repetitive writing issues but again with a little fresh blood in the writing pool it could have gone on for many more years.

    SGU, was a really interesting idea but poorly executed. I agree that it definitely got better towards the end but ultimately they forgot what stargate was and the show suffered for that. I’m all for character driven but please give me at least one character who I can like or care about in some way shape or form! I really wish it had worked, I really do, but it just wasn’t very good, plain and simple. Even though it had stargate in the title I just couldn’t bring myself to like it, which to me speaks volumes.

    I can’t comment on SyFy channels scheduling etc as I’m in the UK, I just wish that they’d take into account other countries who’ve they managed to get hooked on a show before they cancel things.
    In the UK the SyFy channel is just one of those channels that gets bundled into your tv packaged that very few people actually watch! Stargate on the other hand has always had its premier new episodes shown on SKY1 i.e. one of if not THE premier tv channels in the UK. In addition to that, SKY2 also shows 2 episodes every weekday night between 6pm and 8pm, which are all repeated again in full during the day on Saturday and Sunday. Basically, we’ve had SG1 from start to finish followed by SGA from start to finish being played in order repeatedly for well over 10 years now. Over here Stargate is not treat like a genre show, its treat like a show that a lot of people like to watch!

  27. wingsabre
    January 27, 2011 at 9:50 pm |

    @katikatnik, I disagree with the ratings though. SGA S5 performed worst than SGU S1 in terms of ratings, b/c there was simply less sources of DVR, illegal downloading, etc… The criteria for success was much higher b/c they had a larger share of the market then. The way the approached SGU was different from SGA. In SGA, we jumped into the action, and many of the character background was left to a later date, or never even addressed. To this day, we still knew very little about John Sheppard. Way less than Jack from SG-1, and he’s the team leader. For Jack, a lot of the background was also introduced in the Stargate film, same with Daniel. The writers realized that to gain some critical acclaim and open them up for more stories, instead of just some popcorn action flick, they needed to devote a lot of time on developing and introducing the characters. At this point in the series, we know so much more about the different characters, and their family than anyone from SGA. It essentially allows for season 2 to move much faster, and I find it interesting to see how two people who hate each other in the beginning like Rush and Young will eventually become allies. However, doing that damaged their ratings and fan support because season 1 was just so slow, and it really took them 1 and a half season to even get to the mission of Destiny. But after that was reveled, it really does feel like the pace has picked up.

  28. wingsabre
    January 27, 2011 at 9:59 pm |

    @steffarella. I think SG1 was really canceled not just b/c of it’s ratings, but b/c the syndicated ratings weren’t that good. Before on Sci-Fi, the syndicated ratings were fairly stable and from what I heard, it didn’t do well and was trending down to the point that producing new shows for syndication wouldn’t really make sense. SG1 was still good towards the end, but in all honesty it was a different series after season 8. They did a lot of good with the Ori plot, but 10 seasons and a movie to resolve the plot seemed good enough. Now the team has split and moved on, and I’d much rather see a series leave while still good than outstay it’s welcome.

    As for SGA, yeah I would agree that it had a lot of life to it before it was canceled. However, many of the episodes were just quick action flicks with very little character development. Like McKay essentially stayed the same character all through the series, while Daniel learned and evolved to the point where he was carrying and shooting a p90 in season 2. The writers also made the error of using the wraith in a way that made it very difficult to see some resolution or progression in the war. Whenever they defeated one, you really had no idea how big of an impact that victory was, because the war was a war of attrition.

  29. katikatnik
    January 28, 2011 at 4:19 am |

    @wingsabre: You’re telling me that between 2008 and 2009, the illegal market had some secret boom? That’s grasping at straws, buddy. SGA has always been one of the most illegaly downloaded series out there, always in the top 10, its downloads on just the BT went into scores of thousands. But whereas SGA’s ratings went up between 501 and 520, SGU’s went down hard. That’s why: SGU S1 1.684 mil. vs. SGA S5 1.610 mil.

    Also, character backgrounds – the way SGU did it? It always, always, ALWAYS fails! See FlashForward, Eastwick etc. The writers just thought, IMHO, that they would get a free pass because it was a Stargate show, that viewers would stick to it no matter what.

    Most shows that pan out? They use fast-paced, plot driven episodes in S1.0 and character stuff comes later, in S1.5 or S2.0, after you got to see the characters in their “natural habitat” and want to know more. These writers decided to do it the other way around – and it failed big time, as it always does.

    And as for critical acclaim… Well, I wouldn’t poke that nest. For every positive review there was a negative one. Remember the famous showdown between BW and Mo Ryan?

  30. wingsabre
    January 29, 2011 at 6:09 am |

    @katikatnik, you clearly haven’t paid attention to things these few years. There hasn’t been a boom in the illegal downloading field, however there has been a significant move towards non-live viewings. Between 2008 and 2009 was the switch to the digital standard in the US, and many individuals took that opportunity to upgrade their systems to include DVRs. Others like many of the people I know have simply abandoned cable or dish subscription all together, because they can now have access to contents on hulu, netflix, Amazon, iTunes, Apple TV, and xbox360 for a fraction of the cost or for free. It’s available on their demand, commercial free, and they have chosen to wait for a full season to finish and download the season to watch it all at once. Having 740 thousand more viewers is not that bad in this new market. You’re the one grasping at the straws. SGA’s ratings didn’t go up in season 5. If you discount the premiere and the finale, it went down. The paradigms have shifted, in ways Neilson haven’t been able to account for. If shows want to be purchased online or gain some revenue from it, they must in some way or another have critical praise, not from fans but from critics who haven’t traditionally liked science fiction, and SGA was essentially popcorn sci-fi.

    I agree with the pace of SGU, however many shows end up not doing any character backgrounds bc they don’t start in the first place. There are also successes with series that stared out with character background and introduced more action along the way. Star Trek TNG is an example of such. A happy medium is to do some episodes of faced pace, and some more character backgrounds. In a way, what really hurt SGU was several episodes where they had to make it into two episodes or more. Air could probably have been better edited down as a 2 episode pilot, instead of 3 episodes.

  31. steffarella
    January 29, 2011 at 9:05 pm |

    One thing I am really struggling to understand is how anyone could actually say that SGU was a character based show?!!!
    I can see that it was maybe meant to be, but seriously does anyone think they actually succeeded in that?
    Can anyone honestly say that after watching season one that they knew anything about the characters at all. All they showed us was a bunch of annoying, self-obsessed and completely unlikeable people that kept getting in the way of the story that you kept hoping was going to be told to you. I get that they were meant to be flawed and that flawed equals ‘interesting’ but in order to be ‘interested’ you need to let slip a little of why they’re ‘flawed’ otherwise all they are is just downright unpleasant and frankly boring. I watched the whole season, waiting for something interesting to happen and it never actually did.
    Watching SGU was like pulling teeth; slow, painful and not an experience you really want to repeat! It was a great concept but very badly written.

    I can’t believe I’m saying this of a Stargate show but looking at the previous incarnations of Stargate, and in comparison to all the other great, character based sci-fi shows theres been over the years like battlestar, star trek, bab 5 and farscape to name just a few, SGU completely deserved to be cancelled.

    If we ever get to see any new Stargate again, whether it be an SG1 movie, a SGA movie or a completely new series I just hope they get new set of writers. Writers who actually know who to deliver characters and most importantly story!

  32. spudda
    January 29, 2011 at 9:18 pm |

    @wingsabre: Its not just the illegal downloading, but the legal downloading that might have contributed to the failings in ratings. Not sure about cable but most networks dont pay too much attention to the DVR viewership and since MGM own stargate and not syfy and itunes or amazon downloads of episodes would generate revenue for MGM at the cost of potential ratings for SGU.

    In any case there is much more non TV ways to watch shows now (legally) than their used to be and that wont help a network when they dont get revenue from those streams of viewers

  33. Jim
    January 31, 2011 at 2:48 pm |

    @steffarella I have to say I agree with you.Those shows you mentioned are perfect examples of a character driven shows,that were also great sci-fi.And I am positive SGU tried to be that.But somwhere around the late SGA and the beginning of SGU,the writers obviously dropped the ball.That is why they literally ruined the SGA,forcing it’s end to completely immerse themselves with the work on SGU and thus had created bad blood,as people are saying.
    At the same time they really failed to deliver SGU wise.
    So yes,even I am a fan,I understand how the pace of the first season and unsimpathetic characters drove off much of the viewership that initially even got on board with SGU.
    To say you’re a character driven show doesn’t automatically mean you’re gonna succed at it and become this intelectual,cerebral,smart show.
    In all of it I think it is a great shame,the way things happen because if you put SGA bad writing toward the end aside,that show had more juice in it and deserved a better ending.Actually,it deserved an ending.On the other side SGU really had awesomely interesting premise and improved later on,but it was obviously too little,too late..
    That’s the shame of it from my POV..cause I definitely wanted to see more of both of those show and it could have happened.Unfortunatelly,with the way things went down,it didn’t.
    And yes I agree with whomever said it,if you’re gonna have a character driven show,you absolutely need interesting characters,that should be a given.Not neccessarily good guys,or heroes..but they need to be interesting and at least some of them need to be reedemable.

  34. Jago77
    January 31, 2011 at 3:25 pm |

    A few Gateworld members had very good/smart ideas about how to save SGU(but i think that those ideas could save more than just SGU, i think that they could also save SG-1 & SG-A, in a way…)

    Jim quote “As for the ending of the SGU story,someone had already mentioned..the way Farscape has been dealt with..there was no petitions and such stuff,but people got together,raised the money and an ecxellent miniseries..The Peacekeeper Wars was filmed as a great conclusion.

    If I knew whom to give the money and new it would end up in the right hands..I’d donate 10000$ and I’m sure there are people who could and would give even more.That’s the way Farscape was finished with a three hour miniseries,which was awesome..a lot of people not only from US,but from Europe pitched in and that was it.If everyone gave the amount of money they can afford,I’m sure enough could be raised for at least a movie and not just SGU,but Atlantis as well!”

    “This is what starts happening if we really put our minds together.I mean we could do the petitions and stuff all we want,but in the end the money makes the world go round and since the money is the issue,if there’s enough of us,something just might come of it.
    First a poll to determine the aprox.number of people here..just as an indicator,then spreading the word..I’m sure many of us know people who aren’t active on the site and in other countries..take just Canada,Uk and Australia..not to mention Europe..
    after that we see what happens,things may just start rolling and we won’t know if we don’t try.If we don’t succeed,at lest we will know we tried and went down fighting..so to speak!

  35. Jago77
    January 31, 2011 at 3:25 pm |

    I think that Jim idea is a great one – each SG-1/SG-A & SGU fans could donate to either get a series of Blu Ray movies &/or a third season of SGU –

    I think that the only person that we would all thrust with our money is Mr.Darren Sumner –
    He is obviously devoted to the SG franchise (shown by working on this very website for more than 10 years) &
    as Brad Wright & others important PTB contacts

    It seems like Mr.Darren Sumner did a poll to see which SG-Atlantis characters gateworld members would like to see the most in SGU, & Rodney McKay was the result, then McKay is said to be in the second half of SGU season 2, so i think he can get results.

    So how about it Mr.Darren Sumner, how about starting things by doing a poll on your honorable website.
    And if there are enough people interested, contact Brad Wright & others PTB.
    How about it Mr.Darren Sumner, are you willing to try your best to change the destiny of Destiny ?

  36. Jago77
    January 31, 2011 at 3:26 pm |

    Also when i said that “each SG-1/SG-A & SGU fans could donate to either get a series of Blu Ray movies &/or a third season of SGU”, it, of course imply that TPTB would make some modifications to the show.

    – Continue Destiny journey, only this time, with some modifications

    – Bring back a few SG-1 team members
    (& a few more as guests)
    & you will have all of the SG-1 fans supports

    – Bring back a few SG-A team members
    (& a few more as guests)
    & you will have all of the SG-A fans supports

    – Keep all of the people in SGU that “worked”/had charisma(example: Eli & Cloe,Rush).
    Replace all of the people that didn’t worked/had enough charisma(example:Ronald Greer & some of the scientists) & keep Destiny & it’s mission, & you will have all of the SGU fans supports

    – Also, to garante that you get all of the SG-1, SG-A & SGU fans supports, you have to bring back a lot more of what makes Stargate Stargate –
    Actions, adventures, humor, great team chemistry, villains, aliens, space battles, etc..and not cut all drama, but dial it down so that SGU is now more balanced between it, & what makes Stargate Stargate.

  37. Jago77
    January 31, 2011 at 3:29 pm |

    That leave, convincing MGM

    – Give all SG-1, SG-A & SGU fans what they want & watch the downloads on Itunes & hulu skyrocket, so as the Blu Rays sells.

    – Add all of the SG-1, SG-A & SGU fans donations(if we can get this project going)

    – Add the fact that if this works, a lot of networks are going to be interested in this SGU
    well done & you will have a show that will be very profitable

  38. Jago77
    January 31, 2011 at 3:35 pm |

    Let me all know what do you think of this project

    I really think that if everybody would support it
    (SG-1 fans, SG-A fans, SGU fans, gateworld members across the world, The SG PTB, the gateworld PTB,SG Unite,etc…)it would be successfull.

    If the save SGU petition as over 3500 digital signatures, just imagine how many it would gained if you added all of the SG-1 & SG-A fans worldwide, + all of the would-be-SGU-fans that just didn’t take to SGU, but would if it contained more of what makes SG SG.

    P.S.I think that sometimes great ideas are just not realize because the people in a position to make them a reality just haven’t thought about them.

  39. mythos
    February 2, 2011 at 12:10 pm |

    Not to put a damper on things and correct me if I’m wrong, but based on what I’ve been able to find, didn’t the farscape fans only fund a commercial asking the showrunners to give the show an ending? I don’t think the fans actually had anything to do with funding the actual miniseries itself. But the commercial made the network decide there was value in the idea.

  40. jonah1956
    February 2, 2011 at 1:23 pm |

    @Jago77, from Canada I must say that is an awesome idea! I’m a teen, and I love SG-1 and SGA, but didn’t like SGU. If we had some of their characters return and better writing and plot, SGU would definitely have my support! :) Great ideas!

  41. Skiznot
    February 2, 2011 at 2:27 pm |

    @Jago77 I am against any idea that ties the hands of the writers and asks them to change anything they were planning. The show was fine the way it was and your ideas of which characters worked and which didn’t are only your own. Greer and some of the “other scientists” Park, Volker, Brody are actually some of my favorite characters. Also bringing in characters from the other stargates apart from limited guest roles is a bad idea. SGU stands on it’s own. It’s nice that you want to save the show but you shouldn’t inject your own agenda about the content.

  42. katikatnik
    February 2, 2011 at 3:09 pm |

    @wingsabre: Yes, the trend is to time-shift. Live+7 remained similar if not the same between SGA and SGU. iTunes? Amazon? SGA used to be one of the most downloaded sci-fi show over there, just like SGU. Illegal downloads? The same.

    Critical praise is necessary for purchasing online? I don’t think so. Look at where SGA S5 is on Amazon after three years and where SGU S1 – over 1000 ranks are between them. And that’s just one venue.

    You say that SGU was hurt by time-shifting – but look at other shows on the SyFy channel, weren’t they hurt the same?

    I think we will have to agree on disagreeing. SGU had to prove its worth in ratings and it failed.

    And a few thousands of signatures on a petition won’t help. As BW said when people were signing the SGA petition – they would need millions, not thousands.

  43. Jauh0
    February 4, 2011 at 6:28 am |

    @Skiznot: Yes, SGU does a good job standing on its own.
    *cough*bad ratings*cough*
    *cough*the least liked by fans, tears fanbase in two*cough*
    Just face, SGU didn’t stand on on its own. We need the support of ALL SG fans to make any difference, not just the pro-SGU section. I myself am thrillerd by this idea, but like someone said, it needs a lot of organization to work.
    @katikatnik: Agree with all your points 100%. SGU was struggling even before the slot shift and only a flood of signatures could make a difference.

  44. Jago77
    February 5, 2011 at 10:11 am |

    @jonah1956 – Thanks for the feedback, unfortunately it seems like we thought of this project at the end of this(& the last)thread so we will have to wait to really see what kind of feedback we will be getting.

  45. Jago77
    February 5, 2011 at 7:22 pm |

    @Jim – Thanks, i really think that all SG fans should stop fighting among themselves & unite…for the greater good.

    – SGU News –
    – Joseph Mallozzi Weblog quote –

    “Speaking of buzz – I exchanged emails with Brad today and he reports another major hurdle has been cleared. Almost there, Stargate fans. Again, this is show business, so even the most promising of scenarios can go sideways fast (and dead-end scenarios turn around just as quickly). Nothing is written in stone but things are looking MUCH better now than they did last week when things looked much better than they did the week before. Meetings are still ongoing and I, like most of you, am really beginning to feel antsy. Hopefully, by the time we head back into the office for the Day 1 Mix of Blockade, we’ll have something more substantial to discuss. :)

  46. flickshtain
    February 14, 2011 at 5:46 pm |

    In any case, this TV series should not be closed. There will come a time when such television series as Stargate Universe and Caprica, will attain to the level as the classics of the genre. To them we will return again and again because of an ingenious concept. If they will be closed, the loss will be irreparable.

  47. flickshtain
    February 14, 2011 at 6:12 pm |

    In the end, if my son, watching Stargate universe, with me, this show deserves support, even at the state level. People like Lucas and Spielberg, who could easily help to creators of the show. If you would just talk to them … There are ways that I even can not imagine.

  48. Jim
    February 15, 2011 at 4:59 am |

    What state level @flickshtain?Are you seriously suggesting that the state should support a tv show!?Why,on Earth would that happen..ok maybe in North Korea,or ex USSR and even then if it had it’s political intersest in it.I am sorry for this show and even more sorry that the last space sci-fi show is being canceled,but that is a matter of a supply and demand in a free market society..and unfortunately demand hasn’t been significant enough.
    And I know I will return to Stargate SG-1 again and again,as well as to some other sci-fi shows,like BSG,Star Trek,Farscape,Firefly…SGU..,not so much! Why,well as many of us here agreed,the concept was good and somewhat promising..I wouldn’t go as far as to call it ingenious,though.,but execution has been quite poor.

  49. flickshtain
    February 15, 2011 at 6:52 am |

    I can not agree with you. States do not always subsidize only profitable thing. Following your logic, the disabled and pensioners more profitable to kill. And education is generally very risky form of investment. However, all advanced countries spend money on it. I think Stargate, a great way to educate young people, if not in scientific terms, at least in the moral.

    The successful execution or not, it’s a debatable question. You’d better ask realistic or not. I would say yes. However, if the creators had more money … Use your imagination …

  50. Jim
    February 16, 2011 at 1:36 pm |

    @flickenshtain No,following my logic definitely doesn’t lead to conclusion that disabled and retired people would be more profitable to kill.Not on any level of logic!First off there is a thing called a retirement fond and payments are being put down there regularily,so pensioners are living of of the money they have earned throughout their lifetime careers,secondly,sorry,but a statement that the education is very risky form of investment is one of the most absurd things I have ever heard!Because it is exactly the opposite,a motor of advancement and development for any country that cares for it’s future!
    And thirdly,comparing a sci-ff show and a second rate at that to moral guidance,especially SGU where we know how moral it’s characters were is even more absurd..actually none of the things you said makes no sense,or has any connection to logic,but on the other hand is very offensive to me!

  51. Jim
    February 16, 2011 at 1:48 pm |

    Oh and btw..creators had loads of money,this was actually a very expensive show to make,which I obviously wrongly pressumed,was generally known fact,at least in this community,if not planet Earth.So I shouldn’t use my imagination,or *imagine greater*..that is their job!

  52. flickshtain
    February 16, 2011 at 4:22 pm |

    If it helps extend the SGU for a third season, then fine … You are right … Ok.

  53. flickshtain
    February 17, 2011 at 5:59 am |

    You’re right Jim. People with disabilities and retired it’s a bad example. Sorry. And yet, the state spends money not only on what makes a profit. About education, the risk is, that from time to time, one of those who were given education, will use it against those who gave it, and would nullify the efforts of a generation. I’m talking about the second world war. Think about this man, who inflicted so much damage around the world. I’m not saying that we should not spend money on education. I say that it is risky, and we must do so carefully.
    About moral of characters, is it not worth showing the bad side to explain how not need to be? Especially if a good character win in the end?
    If I offended you, I apologize. It was not intentionally. Obviously the fact that I’m not from your country means the difference in the mental perception. In any case, I thank you for an English lesson.

  54. mythos
    February 18, 2011 at 8:52 am |

    @flickshtain – So you’re suggesting that the government step in to continue SGU because of all things, it’s moral lessons? And that it’s better to not educate people in order to prevent another world war? Are you real?

  55. flickshtain
    February 18, 2011 at 3:53 pm |

    I do not understand why such an extreme in judging? As I recall, this is just one possibility. I also mentioned Lucas and Spielberg. However, the more likely it was a question rather than statement. You may have noticed that I am using English not like you. Perhaps this is the reason of misunderstanding. But most important the fact, that I do not want the SGU to be shut down! In any way possible! In a country where I live, even a construction company may finance the cinematography, let alone the state. Despite the fact that I did voice-over translation into Russian, from the seventh season of SG1, I do not live in Russia for 20 years. So please, do not joke about this topic.
    And again about education. Modern education system, sufficiently selective. Neither in Europe nor in America, not even in Russia today can not appear another Hitler. But still, there are countries where this can happen.
    And again about morality. Well, it’s a good reason, but not the only one. The series can not be considered as the only source of morality. Perhaps as an additional.
    Perhaps we should stop the argue? Because it seems to me that you understand it all perfectly. But for some reason trying to get caught on my words. It leads nowhere.

  56. mythos
    February 18, 2011 at 5:02 pm |

    @flickshtain – When I asked if you were real, I didn’t actually mean for it to be derogatory. There is a site full of people whom do routinely come on here and post inflammatory things intentionally so I considered the possibility that you were one of them. I’m still not convinced that you’re not but I checked over there and there’s no talk of this and most of them like to boast of their exploits.

    Assuming you are real, I get that English isn’t your first language and that’s not a problem. Just to be clear about something, the idea of “state” intervening in a matter like this is ground that one should tread lightly. The idea of the government intervening on matters of media is something that will get a pretty negative response from most here. That aside…most of the characters on SGU had very questionable moral values, so to want it supported on the basis of teaching morality is just…well, odd. The expedition is lead by an alcoholic who cheated on his wife with someone under his own command and is a control-freak to boot. Rush has repeatedly been willing to sacrifice lives to further his own goals. And Chloe…well, she’s not exactly the most chaste person around. There aren’t much in the way of moral lessons taught on the show.

    As for Lucas and Spielberg…this isn’t even remotely Lucas’ type of thing. And Spielberg’s got his own flops of tv shows to worry about.

    And a construction company could finance the show here as well, but none appear to be willing to. But a private company funding a show is very different from the government funding a show here.

    I’m not sure what you mean by “Modern education system, sufficiently selective”. The only thing selective about the education system in America is that the more money you have, the better the education you can get. But the system here is much different from the one in most of Europe. I don’t know much about the state of Education in Russia.

    And your words are all that we have to go by here. There’s nothing else for anyone to ‘get caught on’. I was attempting to engage rather than ignore as I couldn’t tell for certain if you were actually trying to be inflammatory or if it just came across as such because of language issues.

  57. flickshtain
    February 18, 2011 at 6:57 pm |

    Strange. I understand all that you said, but for some reason, you do not. Maybe I skipped the obvious things for me.
    Just to be clear. None of the decisions on funding, I suggest, is not the ultimate truth. I was just thinking out loud. Try to understand, that I love SGU. And yes, I understand what means government intervention.
    And yet, in the budget of any country, there is money for culture.
    I do not know whether you have read books of Straczynski, nine novels about Babylon 5, but they are much deeper than the TV series Babylon 5. Well, Robert Cooper tried to do something similar on the screen. Again, this is just my opinion.
    Babylon 5 ended badly, broke off in the middle of a word. And I really do not want that to happen to SGU.
    Now let’s be clear about morality. I think you understand that showing in the adventure and sci-fi show, just absolutely mentally stable people, in the 21 century, say, does not look plausible. But sometimes, people need to see the bad, to do the opposite.
    And money may not be ideal, but not a bad way of selection. As I remember in Russia, to get an education, except for money you need a good Certificate of maturity. I do not know how it is to translate correctly. But to get this certificate is not enough to have good grades. Must pass a medical examination, which includes a psychologist.
    I trying to respond point by point. Sorry if I skipped something. And I’m not trying to anything or anyone to incite. Maybe I found those who really wants to support the show …
    Will see…

  58. flickshtain
    February 19, 2011 at 6:56 am |

    “I get that English isn’t your first language and that’s not a problem.” Here is the problem. As far as I know, if you change the arrangement of words within the phrase, you can get the exact opposite meaning. I know that I am doing such mistakes from time to time. And I suspect that this has happened.
    On the other hand, for me it’s a great opportunity to learn how people think on the other side of the world. How about you?
    Go ahead, ask me. I’ll be glad to tell all that I know.

  59. jstoltz100
    February 20, 2011 at 12:39 am |

    i am posting on my ps3 so forgive the grammar. i just heard from a friend that sgu was being cancelled. i couldnt believe it. i did a google search and found this site after reading all the posts i had to register to put my 2 cents in. i have been a stargate fan from the start of sg1 i didnt like sga at first but it grew on me and by season 2 i loved it sgu was the same way season one was hard to get into but season 2 got me exited about stargate again the characters are starting to grow on me rush is awesome greir is such a jerk its fun to see what his reaction will be chloe is turning into some cool alien thing young kinda bugs me. my point is its just starting to get good im very exited to see the next (LAST) episodes i wish there was something i could do to help save the show. i baught a t shirt a few years ago “help keep the gate open” to save sg1 it didnt help :) my kids take all my money so all i can do is quit watching syfy. on the bright side maybe i can downgrade my satellite plan and save a few bucks.

  60. mythos
    February 20, 2011 at 5:22 pm |

    @flickshtain – It’s often easier to read another language than it is to write in it. It’s easier to guess at context than to have to try to establish it. And you’re doing far better than I would in trying to write in Russian.

    As for education, here, they let anyone, no matter how messed up they are mentally, get any education they can afford. As has been proven by events of the last year or so here. And I think I’m starting to understand what you’re talking about in terms of selection with education, but I don’t find money to be a very good method of it.

    And regarding where I said “I get that English isn’t your first language and that’s not a problem.”, what I meant was that I wasn’t holding that against you or thinking less of what you said because of that.

  61. flickshtain
    February 22, 2011 at 11:32 am |

    First – thank you. Second, no joke, I like you. Third – you have beliefs that I respect. And most of them, I share. As I understand now, whatever idea we have attempted to express, we need to explain ourselves from the very beginning. Otherwise, misunderstandings can occur. Especially when we communicate with someone on the other side of the planet.
    I finished with a lyrics.
    Do you remember when Harsizis, was teaching Daniel Jackson while he was sleeping? In the dream, he developed a power source for satellites, which worked on liquid nakvadah. Reactor I was talking about, working on liquid zirconium. Does not ring a bell?

  62. Jim
    March 4, 2011 at 10:10 am |

    I personally believe that ignorant,not educated people are the most dangerous ones.And the fact that in Russia you need a certificate of maturity to be able to get further,I presume higher education just tells me how far Russia still is from being a free and democratic society.Why,well because that sort of norms can be so misused,to prevent the politically unsuitable from getting a proper education.It’s a very dangerous sort of norms.And sorry but the fact that that kind of indoctrination made you actually believe that the education can be a dangerous thing @flickenshtain is very sad.

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