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  1. bhorwith22
    July 13, 2011 at 3:32 pm |

    So…. not as good as SGU started out.

  2. JoeTheDragon
    July 13, 2011 at 3:37 pm |

    ESPN had the home run derby and History’s ‘Pawn Stars’ Records Net’s Second Biggest Audience During Crossover Event at History’s The Pick, The Pawn & The Polish crossover event, featuring its popular thrifting shows American Pickers, American Restoration and Pawn Stars, averaged 6.7 million total viewers from 9 p.m. to11 p.m. Monday night.

    American Pickers led the 9 p.m. premiere with 6.3 million total viewers, including 2.6 million persons 18 to 49.

    American Restoration followed at 10 p.m., rising to 6.7 million total viewers and 3 million viewers with the aforementioned demo, according to Nielsen data.

    The last part of the crossover, Pawn Stars, drew the highest number of viewers, with 7.6 million total viewers and 3.4 million of the Madison Avenue-coveted group, making it the network’s second-most-watched telecast ever behind the 7.7 million for the Jan. 31 installment of the show.

  3. Greenfire32
    July 13, 2011 at 5:50 pm |

    Syfy has ALWAYS belonged to the summer. If this were fall, those ratings would be SO much lower.

  4. mazey
    July 13, 2011 at 6:21 pm |

    it always starts at 2mil then they mess with the show and it ends up 400 and getting cancelled.

  5. asgarder
    July 13, 2011 at 6:56 pm |

    Wasnt the Alphas premiere 60min, it says 90 min in the post. Just letting you know

  6. medegno51
    July 13, 2011 at 7:01 pm |

    This is a good point by Darren: Sci-Fi Fridays was a great example of doing a smart programming move– that is, stacking original scripted shows together on the same night to keep as much viewer erosion as possible to a minimum. (And, perchance, do exactly what Sci-Fi Fridays actually DID do: *increase* those same viewers over the course of time.)

    While I don’t think that a Monday night will get the same pure numbers for sci-fi fans as a Friday, I think bundling all three of these shows together on any night (sans Tuesday– bad memories!) will increase the chances for all three to succeed on SyFy’s very iffy programming board.

  7. Browncoat1984
    July 13, 2011 at 7:21 pm |

    I wholeheartedly agree Greenfire. I loved that SyFy aired their programs in the summer because that means less programs for me to have to keep track of during the fall. There’s some great sci-fi airing right now with Eureka and Warehouse 13 (I haven’t seen Alphas yet so can’t comment) and the return of Torchwood! Who says there’s nothing to watch during the summer? I’m almost watching as much now as I do during the fall when you add Deadliest Catch to that mix!

    On a completely un-related note, when are we going to see the next Gateworld podcast? You guys still got one episode of SGU to cover! I’ve been dying to hear your discussion on it!

  8. voniak289
    July 13, 2011 at 7:26 pm |

    didn’t SGU premiered with greater numbers? AND it wasnt even summer!!! their “highest” ratings for alphas’ were SGU’S normal average-ish rating per episode (close)….i don’t get it

  9. retiredat44
    July 13, 2011 at 8:38 pm |

    Alphas does not excite me.. I found at least 2 characters annoying… and made me wish Heroes was still around…

  10. Duneknight
    July 13, 2011 at 11:16 pm |

    SGU shouldve been a summer show.

  11. psw
    July 13, 2011 at 11:23 pm |

    SGU’s highest rating was 2.447 million viewers live + SD for episode Air, Part 3. SGU’s premiere got 2.346 million viewers. So a little worse than Alphas. Not that this matters much. Alphas may still be a failure, if it will lose too many viewers in the next episodes, like SGU did. We will see.

  12. Kyle Nin
    Kyle Nin
    July 14, 2011 at 12:53 am |

    “Wasn’t the Alphas premiere 60min?”

    No, it was 90 minutes, when you include commercial time.

  13. Atlantislov
    July 14, 2011 at 1:38 am |

    They ran the premiere an extra 30mins. You know how some new shows do a 2 hour premiere like Falling Skies did. Well they did a hour and a half long premiere.

  14. The Admiral
    The Admiral
    July 14, 2011 at 1:44 am |

    Say what you will about my last post, but this one really has nothing to do with Stargate. And before you all get ready to write down a response to rebuff me, here me out.

    Despite what you may think, I really don’t care if Darren chooses to report non-Stargate news, in fact I totally understand if he chooses to do so; with Stargate gone goes the frequency of Stargate news. Maintaining a site like this costs time and money that would be wasted covering exclusively what meager Stargate news trickles out. What Darren should do is simply re brand the site to include the entire scifi genera, and change the name to something like ScifiWorld. Because not doing so is kind of what SyFy is doing with their network, and that’s what is irking me.

  15. Jim
    July 14, 2011 at 1:48 am |

    Yeah..SyFy was always strongest during summers,glad to see they’ve realised it’s the best they can do.And stacking hit shows the same days as well is a proven concept.
    I still can’t say anything about Alphas..from what I’ve seen in the Pilot,it’s nothing special and I’m sure the ratings will fall,but we’ll see soon enogh,in the next few eps.they deserve that much,as they’re better than Falling Skies,even this unoriginal.At least imo they’ve more charm to them.

  16. The Tenth Doctor
    The Tenth Doctor
    July 14, 2011 at 3:41 am |

    I agree with The Admiral.


  17. far2005
    July 14, 2011 at 7:07 am |

    i’m not gonna watch this.
    #1) it will be cancelled in season 2
    #2) syfy probably will mess with the schedule
    #3 an the most important ) i have cancelled my TV cable since SGU finale :D

  18. grif
    July 14, 2011 at 7:55 am |

    all three of those shows are horrible. alphas is the worst of them.

  19. steelbox
    July 14, 2011 at 7:57 am |

    I am totally against changing the name of Gateworld, it has no need what so ever to do that. What could be done thought is changing “The Complete guide to Stargate” to “The complete guide to Sci-fi” so it can for example in google, to stand out that we also cover general sci-fi.

  20. US06154
    July 14, 2011 at 10:20 am |

    @bhorwith22: Yes, but this show didn’t have “Stargate” in front of it, did it? I have not seen Alphas yet. I wonder if it’s “dark, gritty and cerebral” like SGU, and wrong people at the wrong place at the wrong time..

  21. ace_love
    July 14, 2011 at 10:27 am |

    I agree totally with far2005

  22. closetheiris
    July 14, 2011 at 10:27 am |

    I <3 how Darren is keeping us updated as he feels is right. I've been visiting this site every day forever and I'm glad it's still going to be relevant and updated.

    That said, any non-stargate news post is going to get the same "this ain't Stargate" comments; my suggestion is a note somewhere on the home page saying:

    "Since there isn't much Stargate news at the moment we will keep you updated on Stargate actors' other projects and Sci-Fi in general".

    Or something like that :)

  23. tb1342
    July 14, 2011 at 10:42 am |

    I too want to see these numbers..Keep up the good work Darren!!! I would also like to see these three moved to the Fall schedule and see how well they do…and I have subscribed to Stars just to watch Tourchwood…there is nothing on the SiFi channel I want to watch and if I could pay individually for each channel on my Satellite then I would stop paying for the SiFI channel..but I can not wait to see the numbers tank over the next few weeks, even with the Summer boost

  24. Greenfire32
    July 14, 2011 at 10:47 am |

    @The Admiral:

    “Despite what you may think, I really don’t care if Darren chooses to report non-Stargate news, in fact I totally understand if he chooses to do so”

    Which is why you said:

    “Does this have anything to do with Stargate?
    So then why report about it?”

    Fail on your end dude. Fail on your end.


    I could see that working, but Gateworld would REALLY have to start putting up more content for other shows. Otherwise, it’s still just a complete guide for Stargate.

  25. 3531767
    July 14, 2011 at 11:30 am |

    I can care less about anything syfail channel, If they would have put sgu on in the summer it would still be on.Put these shows on in the fall and they would fail as well.

  26. mythos
    July 14, 2011 at 12:02 pm |

    @The Admiral – You’re wrong on every level.
    1) Gateworld would be a cool name even if Stargate didn’t exist.
    2) What do you think scifistream.com is?
    3) This site has always fostered news and talk about other sci-fi related shows/topics.
    4) This isn’t at all like what Syfy did.
    5) Make your own site if you want it to be different.
    6) If all you can do about it is whine, why bother?

  27. janet99
    July 14, 2011 at 12:46 pm |

    Wow big surprise. They heavily dumb down their shows (making them “superhero” shows rather than sci-fi shows) and so of course the audience figures go up. There are simply far more dumb people out there.

    However they haven’t got the resources to compete for this mainstream “dumb” audience, so it’s a big gamble. Sci-fi Channel had a long-term, stable audience with its sci-fi niche, whereas Syfy will loose a lot of their wrestling, ghosts & superhero loving audience when the next series of Jersey Shore or the myriad of other brainless shows resume.

    By that time, the executives responsible will have gone of bragging about how they “increased audience share by 41%” based on some short-term trend right before the long-term decline starts as the niche is lost.

  28. Coremae
    July 14, 2011 at 1:13 pm |

    who watches scifi? i don’t, i download what I want. Since, what we foreigners watch isn’t considered important (at least according to ratings, and keeping our franchises on the air, since we don’t exist). Thus, I’ll download what I like, and don’t d’l what I don’t like. I’m not downloading or watching anything from syphilis.

  29. jeffy_polla
    July 14, 2011 at 1:59 pm |

    I’ve seen this movie before….

  30. Atlantislov
    July 14, 2011 at 2:01 pm |

    I’m glad that it did good can’t wait until the next ep.

    I know it will get a second season.

  31. Rocky89
    July 14, 2011 at 2:26 pm |

    @Janet99 So, Syfy asks other shows to dumb down their dialog? What other shows? Here’s another question, does Syfy cut the theme songs for any other of their shows, or is Sanctuary special? :/

  32. Jim
    July 14, 2011 at 3:27 pm |

    Ther’s no shows here to talk about as in new shows.The only thing new is Alphas.WH13 and Eureka are already long established brands.Talking about this monday nigh..Alphas suck..those other two..I’ve liked since before and are the last remains of the old SciFi.

    Gateworld is totally cool name and needs no change..those of you who are bothered by it,or it’s content,go somewhere else,or buy your own site and call it what you like.
    Also if you want D&D to do extensive work on all things sci-fi.maybe you should start paying them and their new 20 employees..

  33. Jim
    July 14, 2011 at 3:36 pm |

    About ghosthunters,ghostbusters and such pile of exellent tv work..it can work only as a comedy..always a same thing,a group of studends with amateur grade equipment picking up EM waves.and there you go..proof of ghosts,lol!Works every time!Why,because there’s probably more EM radation everywhere around us than the visable lenght one.Not to mention ultrasound..etc,etc

  34. Kyle Nin
    Kyle Nin
    July 14, 2011 at 5:35 pm |

    “Alphas” was okay. But knowing that Ira Steven Behr is the showrunner for the rest of the season, I have a lot of hope that the series will get a lot better.

  35. ictus75
    July 14, 2011 at 5:36 pm |

    I don’t know about any of you, but I fell asleep in the middle of the Alphas premier—it was that exciting… (YAWN).

    Unfortunately, the time for grand space opera Si-Fi shows, like the Stargate series, has passed. I doubt even Battlestar Galactica, or Babylon 5 would stand a chance today, and both had 5-year runs. Even a mediocre (after a great season 1) show like, Earth-Final Conflict, managed to last 5-years back in the day.

    Falling Skies, which is promising, got renewed, I’m sure, in part due to the Spielberg/Dreamworks production/backing. I hope they can keep developing and make it interesting/different enough to keep watching.

  36. Kyle Nin
    Kyle Nin
    July 14, 2011 at 7:22 pm |

    “all three of those shows are horrible.”

    Excuse me? “Eureka” is the best show on TV right now. And “Warehouse 13” is third best. But I have to admit, “Alphas” was certainly the worst of the night. It didn’t start off as good as I wanted it to. But you can’t judge a series by its pilot episode. Sometimes the pilot is great and series stinks. And sometimes the pilot stinks and the series is great. It just depends on who’s writing the stories for the episodes, I think.

  37. Browncoat1984
    July 14, 2011 at 7:51 pm |

    SyFy thinks that what made sci-fi Fridays so popular was that there were three sci-fi shows in a row. They’re PARTLY correct, but what really made it popular among fans is that it was three quality space-based action series in a row.

    Still, Eureka is good. Warehouse 13 is good, don’t know about Alphas. I want to watch Alphas, but a part of me wants to avoid the pilot. Why? Because from the scenes we saw, it looks like they copied an episode of the X-Files. We see a guy who gets subliminal message to kill…wow, didn’t the X-Files do an episode like that back in the 90’s?

  38. jeffknight
    July 14, 2011 at 10:40 pm |

    I have kept my word and not watched the network since the last episode of SGU, but I hope SyFy sees the errors of the past and learns from them. These numbers again show that Sci-Fi and Fantasy shows do better in the summer. The drop in Eureka and Warehouse 13 can be attributed to their move from their old nights to Monday (tbh, if you don’t watch SyFy or read up on things, you didn’t know they were being moved – I saw 0 ads on other channels).

    Those who have stated that these numbers would be worse in the fall are absolutely right. If these shows were going up on Monday nights vs House and Dancing With the Stars, they’d be below the 1.5 million mark or on Tuesday nights vs NCIS and other network-leading dramas. This is the lesson SyFy really needs to learn.

    In the meantime, I will wait for Warehouse 13 to come out via other means.

  39. Jim
    July 14, 2011 at 11:17 pm |

    SGU by far the best show on that channel fell victim to SyFy’s inabillity to learn that simple truth..and their greed.

  40. Kyle Nin
    Kyle Nin
    July 14, 2011 at 11:31 pm |

    “it looks like they copied an episode of the X-Files. We see a guy who gets subliminal message to kill … wow, didn’t the X-Files do an episode like that back in the 90′s?”

    I was thinking of that exact episode when I watched the pilot. The “X-Files” episode was the Season 2 episode “Blood”, I believe.

  41. AnthonyBJr
    July 15, 2011 at 12:12 am |

    @far2005 I did the same thing. The only reason I had Cable was for Sci Fi Channel, FC, and AMC. I used to turn on the Sci-Fi and leave it running in the background. Now That the only 6 shows that I watch are available via iTunes, I don’t need cable any more. With the exception of the Stargate Franchise and the biggest loser, the shows I watch are either 6, 10, or 13 episodes long. At least I can thank Syfy for saving me money…. until the Stargate Franchise returns, I won’t have to spend the money on Cable.

  42. ELQ
    July 15, 2011 at 12:39 am |

    I watched the Alphas. I found it cliche, and old-style, and hurried-up too. They had a good director (Jack Bender, the main LOST director), but if the script is so weak, a director can’t do much about it.

  43. ELQ
    July 15, 2011 at 1:13 am |

    >“Eureka” is the best show on TV right now.

    “Eureka” is an old style show, episodic, feel-good mumbo jumbo. It’s the non-deep-thinker’s show. It’s shallow.

    The best show on TV in the past few years is “Breaking Bad”, with SGU being the best sci-fi show. Now that SGU’s gone, I find all the rest sci-fi shows left behind just terrible. I’m looking forward to Terra Nova though, hopefully the 20 mil dollars they paid for it will pay off.

  44. Ekras
    July 15, 2011 at 1:53 am |

    So as not to be a hypocrite I had someone record alphas… I managed to make it all the way through, and it was just TERRIBLE – 10X worse than I ever thought it was going to be (and I expected it to be pretty bad)… It’s not Scifi… it’s not really even Superhero…. its like a reality show without the reality – not-quite normal people in a normal world get hired to do something normal people could do just a little faster/better….Yeah thats entertainment… uhhh no…. To quote the show “It’s time to kill…. Alphas” – I hope the ratings tank so they replace it with something that has at least a little bit of entertainment value – I had hoped once/if syfy ever gets their act in gear this might be something to watch on reruns- it’s not even worth that!

  45. Petra
    July 15, 2011 at 3:15 am |

    Well, that’s just another proof how SGU got shafted by being aired in fall.

    As to “Eureka being the best show on tv” – hardly. I realise it’s just your opinion, but apparently you don’t watch much tv. IMO Eureka – tedious, not very-well acted, cheap-looking, shallow show – isn’t even the best show on SyFy (I find Sanctuary much better), let alone on tv in general, with shows like Dexter, GoT, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Boardwalk Empire etc.

  46. Jim
    July 15, 2011 at 9:07 am |

    You could call Eureka shallow,but it’s not pretencious and not trying to be anything more than just that,funny little show.
    Alphas actually annoyed me with that guy that sees all the wave lenghts,but while doing it moves his hands as a retard.Also the adrenalin dude with a serious need for anger management.
    The show is a joke.

    Best shows on tv..imo;True Blood,Breaking Bad,Game Of Thrones.Also I’m not a Doctor Who guy,but am very glad to have been introduced to Torchwood by a friend,I like it a lot!

  47. Pickles
    July 15, 2011 at 10:22 am |

    I see the haughty elitism of SGU fans is still going strong. I guess when your show is a ratings failure, a critical failure, and a failure even within the Stargate fandom then your only rebuttal is to slam other shows and their viewers while playing the pseudo-intellectual.

  48. Donsta
    July 15, 2011 at 12:00 pm |

    For me Gateworld is the “gateway” to Sci-fi news. I see no reason to change the name.

  49. katikatnik
    July 15, 2011 at 1:15 pm |

    @Jim: The “retard” character is actually autistic, so the “retard” hand movements were there on purpose. The adrenaline guy having anger management issues is, again, intentional.


    Sheesh, I’m kinda amused reading these comments and watching people pat each other on the back about how bad these shows are. Nothing shows your support better than bad-mouthing another show.

  50. carmencatalina
    July 15, 2011 at 3:48 pm |

    I just wishes I liked any of these shows – I’m still looking for something to watch . . .

    I thought “Falling Skies” would work for me, but it just didn’t hook me for some reason.

    As for “Alphas” numbers, they are very close to what SGU started with. The real question – will they keep those numbers? SGU couldn’t.

  51. Ekras
    July 15, 2011 at 10:07 pm |

    Considering how much more they advertised Alphas than SGU, the show would become the laughing stock of the network stable if it didn’t at least come close to keeping those numbers (which I doubt it will after the last episode)

  52. Saquist
    July 16, 2011 at 8:33 am |

    @Darren Summer.
    I Don’t think you should change the name. Gateworld has more symbolism as our door to Sci Fi as it does for Stargate. Change the theme not name.

    But if you do change the name be smart enough to keep the Domain name.

  53. Jim
    July 17, 2011 at 8:15 pm |

    @katikatnik Well I sure as hell didn’t think it was there by accident.it was intantional..nooo,really!!? Thanx for that info.
    It’s still annoying as hell and the show still sucks!

  54. katikatnik
    July 18, 2011 at 2:30 pm |

    @Jim: Why so angry? Sheesh. Just add some feet stomping, you weren’t clear enough the first time around.

  55. skittles
    July 19, 2011 at 8:01 am |

    The headline should say “More Than,” not “Over.” It’s a common journalistic mistake, but “Over” is incorrect in this usage.

  56. ace_love
    July 19, 2011 at 8:57 am |

    Well i’m on to the 2nd episode of Alphas.. Its nothing special, it reminds me of Mutant-X from years ago.

  57. Jim
    July 19, 2011 at 3:16 pm |

    @katikatnik Maybe I have anger issues,I’m an alpha.And feet stomping is my special skill.
    Actually you’d have to be able to see my body language to properly assess whether I’m angry,or not..I for example think you’re the angry one,for real.
    And you can eat those words of yours about ppl patting each other on the back about how bad these shows are..because isn’t that kinda similar what you and a few others were doing with SGU,hmm? Sheeeesh

  58. Jim
    July 19, 2011 at 3:22 pm |

    @ace_love Although I found this second ep.better you’re right,they’re cooking up the recepie with cliche ingredients;a little Mutant-X here.a little Prey(show about evolved homo superior from the 90s)there..and of course Heroes.

  59. Lilli
    July 19, 2011 at 11:11 pm |

    I watched Alphas and just can’t get excited about another “heroes” type show – got sucked into heroes and won’t let something like that happen again.

    Right now On Sci Fi I’m watching Eureka, WH13 and Haven. Which reminds me a little of X-files – I’m starting to love it

  60. Lilli
    July 19, 2011 at 11:13 pm |

    btw I still come here to see what’s happening with all my favorite actors from the Stargates – hope that never changes. Or at least not for a very long time :-)

  61. katikatnik
    July 20, 2011 at 3:09 am |

    @Jim: LOL, what? Me pointing out that a show with a budget of up to 2.5 mil. per ep needed to be competitive the whole year round to justify its existence, not just in summer when cheaper shows can get the same numbers, was somehow… I don’t know, hateful? Or that the characters as portrayed in SGU went against everything the previous shows established, that SGC recruited the best of the best on Earth?

    And I’m actually pretty amused by the amount of hatred/dislike/complains I see in this thread, I really don’t care either way if this line-up survives or not *shrugs*

  62. ace_love
    July 22, 2011 at 9:55 am |

    @Jim YES Prey!- TOTALLY. The one thing that’s really annoying about the show, there are hardly any likable characters, the big guy who rages is annoying because he has issues with everybody, the autistic lad is argumentative 24/7, the “professor” is one of those annoying do-gooders who pokes around for emotional answers and the guy who has perfect aim is just BLANK, nothing behind the eyes what so ever.

    The whole show is mediocre at best, no originality, good mutants vs bad mutants – its been done to death, at least Heroes had something extra.

  63. ace_love
    July 22, 2011 at 9:57 am |

    @Lilli – Thanks for the heads up on Haven, i’ll check it out, I miss the old x-files type shows, its why I loved Fringe from the get go :)

  64. neel
    July 23, 2011 at 5:39 am |

    Alphas – I didn’t even bother to watch.. one more superhero show where anything goes without having to explain anything (at least star trek introduced Heisenberg compensator although it’s impossible but they tried). Alphas is for perhaps 16-18 years old (you are forgiven if you like it and your age is in that range).

    I completely agree and that makes me sad. Perhaps someone should start a survey (no pun intended) – I would not like to watch grand sci-fi because…
    -and for tv channels-
    We would not allow grand sci-fi shows anymore because..

    Me, I would love to have those grand sci-fi shows but nobody is counting my opinion I guess..!


  65. mythos
    July 25, 2011 at 9:08 am |

    @neel – What’s impossible? The ‘Heisenberg compensator’? You do realize that they’ve already figured out how to work around the heisenberg uncertainty principle, yes? (hint: Look up recent work with entanglement) Impossible is a very dangerous word when it comes to physics.

  66. neel
    July 29, 2011 at 9:37 am |

    @mythos Heisenberg compensator is a magical device that can somehow subverts HUP and there is nothing in it’s description which mentions entanglement. In itself, without any mention of entanglement, yes, I still am sure it’s impossible; HUP is a well established fact in localized interactions.

  67. mythos
    August 1, 2011 at 10:57 am |

    @neel – I don’t recall them ever describing what it does at all. So technically you are right about that but they didn’t say that it didn’t use entanglement either. But you’re about a year late on the HUP being a ‘fact in localized interactions’. They have figured out how to bypass the HUP with entanglement. They still haven’t found any practical use for it, but they know it can be done.

    Until fairly recently, atomic decay was thought to be a constant. Until they found out that it wasn’t. Again, impossible is a very dangerous word when it comes to physics. By it’s very nature, until you can explain it completely, you can’t actually claim to understand how it works – and last I checked, there was still no grand unified theory.

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