46 Responses

  1. Emily
    Emily
    (70 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 4:28 pm |

    Has this ‘for crying out loud’ thing changed to rant thread or are we still doing the Q and A stuff?

  2. Jason96706
    Jason96706
    (27 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 4:42 pm |

    Yes “Space” was better but the show in my opinion still has a long way to go before I can consider it to be good.

  3. LailaH
    LailaH
    (9 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 4:43 pm |

    Hi Darren,

    I gotta say, while the episode was good, I’d disagree that it’s the high watermark. It’s value is the promise of what is to come, a bridge from where they were (solitude and attempted murder) to where they need to go (the so called pay-off).

    My feeling is the pay-off is coming, and it’ll be damn cool.

  4. Xenomorph
    Xenomorph
    (19 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 4:48 pm |

    While the aliens were cool looking and the episode story was good, I was really underwhelmed with the space battle. I mean you saw more of the shuttle fighting then the Destiny. I would have like to see more shots of the Destiny exchanging fire with the big alien ship. You only saw Destiny’s shields impacted once if I’m not mistaken, and you only saw the Destiny’s attack hit the alien ship once. Sure, I wasn’t expecting something on the level of BaMSR, but at least as good as the Hammond vs. the Lucian Alliance Hat’aks….

  5. Xenomorph
    Xenomorph
    (19 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 4:50 pm |

    Another good shot they could have done was show the Destiny at a distance underfire. Maybe from the point of view of the alien ship.

  6. angel
    angel
    (13 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 4:53 pm |

    Can’t say I agree with any of your view on Space, but I won’t comment on that as that ship has sailed for me, and it certaintly didnt take me to episode 15 of Atlantis to come to the conclusion that the new spin off had found its voice. I discovered that after Rising. Atlantis hooked me from the very first episode and the characters engaged me immediately. I didnt need 10 episodes to wait on them to grow on me.

  7. Craig MacD.
    Craig MacD.
    (38 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 6:03 pm |

    I thought Space was a good episode, with some stunning visuals, especially aboard the alien ship. However, my favorite episode of SGU is still Time. In regards to Justice being the mid-season finale, I personally liked the fact that it ended with the Rush/Young fight and Young lying about what happened. It felt like a moment that was a long time coming and it kept me guessing over the last 4 months as to what would happen as a result. Space, while it did introduce a new alien threat and had a space battle, did not end on as strong a cliffhanger, which is something I’ve come to expect from a Stargate mid-season finale (though, granted, I only started watching Stargate with Atlantis).

  8. Dalek317
    Dalek317
    (1 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 6:05 pm |

    I agree that Space airing in December could have curbed most of the negativity about SGU. I like where things are going and how things have progressed mostly so far. Cant wait to see the rest of this season and what season 2 holds for the show.

  9. skittles
    skittles
    (66 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 6:33 pm |

    To be honest, I didn’t think it a very good episode. It was okay, and wasn’t as vastly disappointing as the first 10 episodes, but it still has the fundamental problems I see with this series–characters I don’t care about, and a setup that doesn’t enthrall me. I really WANT to enjoy this series, mind you, as I’m a great fan of SG-1 and the first four seasons of Atlantis. I’m not someone you’d call a rabid “hater” (though I really do hate that term), so I’m genuinely open to this new version of Stargate (obviously, or else I wouldn’t still be watching it, despite having disliked most episodes to date). However, it’s just not pulling me in at all, and I think it may be time for me to pack it in. Sadly, that’s probably also going to mean my no longer reading Gateworld, since there are rarely ever any articles anymore about anything related to SG-1 or Atlantis, which was what has kept me reading for so many years. I guess all good things do come to an end, and that saddens me.

  10. memnarch
    memnarch
    (5 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 6:35 pm |

    I personally think you’re giving Space too much credit. I found it enjoyable, but it didn’t knock my socks off. While the aliens were very impressive and I wouldn’t mind seeing more of them, their interest in Destiny and in Chloe of all people seemed unclear and a bit convenient. It’s a solid episode yes, and certainly better than say, Life, but Time is still the best episode so far this season.

  11. DocScience
    DocScience
    (26 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 6:53 pm |

    Space was indeed a step towards the light.
    SGU needs to keep walking beyond this step, if not running.

  12. skittles
    skittles
    (66 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 7:02 pm |

    I just wish I could find something to care about with these characters. I want to…but I don’t. With so little decent sci-fi on TV these days, I keep holding out hope that SGU will get better. But most of the characters are so bland, in my opinion. Characterization is very important to me, and if I can’t embrace the cast and the roles they play, it’s very difficult for me to enjoy a series. I’m not sure how much longer I’m going to wait for SGU to begin thrilling.

  13. Ryster
    Ryster
    (49 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 7:22 pm |

    LailaH, do you actually know what “high watermark” means? Clearly not, seeing as you disagree with “Space” being described as such.

    High Watermark basically means, the best so far. In other words, the highest the water level has reached up until now.

  14. zack
    zack
    (80 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 7:47 pm |

    I thought your analysis of Space was really accurate and I pretty much agree with most of what you wrote. And, I also think you succeed in making a interesting and compelling comparison regarding early episodes of both SG1 and SGA – each representing a point in the second part of their first year where each series began to bring together all its features so they shined together in one episode with how SPACE (also in the second part of SGU’s first season) similarly succeeds. A good interesting point and one I wouldn’t have thought of. But, I think you make a good case for your point and I agree.
    I thought SPACE was quite excellent and, most certainly, as good in quality as the quality episodes of SG1 – which is one of my all time favorites.
    One of the things I’ve liked best about SGU and this was particular true of the episode:SPACE is how the deep space they are traversing is so completely different (and more realistic) that what is usually seen in most Star Trek and Star Wars and almost every sci-fi film.
    Unlike Star Trek and Star Wars and others where deep space seems more like an empty but still. somehow always familiar country road, the deep space where SGU goes is in a whole other category – where everywhere there’s mystery, beauty,endless numbers of things unknowable and incredible danger. There is so much potential in SGU and so many directions … just because of the way its geen set up I hope more STARGATE fans do give SGU more of an open look too.

  15. Coremae
    Coremae
    (105 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 7:57 pm |

    Though I’m scum and thoroughly morally soiled, the best bit about interesting and not interesting rest within the minds and eyes of depravity. Don’t believe me, women loves bad boys because they could soil their ‘goodness’. Guys like nasty girls because the guy doesn’t have to ask for corruption; it’s offered. And we love villains in our day time soaps, and on television and truthfully, we wish, we slept with villains on a daily basis. SGU can be a more awesome show filled with flawed characters realizing that they’re better off giving into debase desires since, all villains begins with malicious self interest. Not pathetic extensions of the writers fear of giving into our true nature, we’re not Adam and Eve pre-fruit, we’re debased monsters, conquerors of the universe, who pretend to be human

  16. ghostly
    ghostly
    (4 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 9:06 pm |

    24% of GW members polled weren’t going to watch Space? That’s not disheartening. That’s appalling.

  17. Trojax
    Trojax
    (1 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 9:18 pm |

    Space was ok but it didnt make much sense. The aliens conveniently picked up Rush from the random planet he was on and conveniently take him right to the Destiny? I guess this is explained because they read Rush’s mind… but who knows how they tracked down the Destiny so fast. It could have been anywhere. Then the aliens want the Destiny and send a bunch of ships which get owned by one Destiny shuttle? So they were technologically outclassed clearly and yet still they attacked? Also its convenient the communication device facilitates a rescue so they dont have to risk anything to get their people back. Too many conveniences and its like they forced the space battle to show off the special effects… I wish the writing was a bit better on this show. I guess I find it ironic the aliens are so weak and that “Space” ends with Rush and Camille plotting against the Colonel…. the humans will destroy themselves without needing any outside force to help.

  18. davey1983
    davey1983
    (28 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 9:22 pm |

    I agree with most of what was said here. However, I think that the slow build up might have hurt the series. I personally did not like Earth and Life, but I thought Space and Time were excellent.

    I also think that Justice was a better episode to end the first ten episodes. Seeing Rush look up, stranded, was an amazing cliff hanger.
    The problem came from the 4 month gap between the episodes– I still think that Syfy scheduled that very badly (I still don’t get the decision– even after reading the official response as to why the huge gap in the season).

  19. comp734
    comp734
    (19 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 11:41 pm |

    Darren,

    I agree with you. Space was very cool and a new benchmark for the show. Destiny, a projected million year old spacecraft, kicks modern alien technology–that idea is neat in itself! The Ancients are hyper intelligent people. Also, keep in mind that the learning curve between earth understanding Ancient technology in SG1 and Atlantis took a while to develop, so why would SGU be any different? The SGU show is based on the Ancient story (well I hope it develops that way) and has much potential! I agree, give the show a chance to gain momentum and unfold into a new stargate story arc…

    scott

  20. AbstractAlien
    AbstractAlien
    (53 comments)
    April 9, 2010 at 11:55 pm |

    I thought it was alright – I enjoyed it, but the alien design was really boring and conventional, I was expecting much more from SGU in terms of aliens. I think they should read some HP lovecraft or Olaf Stapledon for inspiration IMO.

  21. Eagalis
    Eagalis
    (52 comments)
    April 10, 2010 at 1:43 am |

    Not to be the downer of this post saying ‘Space’ delivered. It didn’t in alot of ways the aliens look too closely like the ones from the movie ‘Alien’ just changed abit. Also the ratings also said otherwise that it “delivered” …

  22. wingsabre
    wingsabre
    (33 comments)
    April 10, 2010 at 2:40 am |

    Honestly, the fan response is expected. When SGA first came out, there were a group of detractors that complained that it wasn’t the same. They all said Sheppard was just a Jack clone and such. Eventually they changed their opinions. What we’re seeing now is some of the backlash from SGA fans for the cancellation, and such. They’ll come to SGU and realize like it. However, if it’s not your favorite series, then fine, move on. But don’t ruin the experience for others.

  23. Togame
    Togame
    (13 comments)
    April 10, 2010 at 2:53 am |

    If we actually talk about pay-off and whatnot here, Space was underwhelming in one of its aspects. Namely, how Rush came back to Destiny. You’d expect that to be a long-swing plot with how they hang it up in “Justice” and then he just pops up the next episode! Even though it was some time separating broadacasts of “Justice” and “Space” this still comes off pretty weak, especially when this will be rewatched one after another on home video.

  24. morrolan
    morrolan
    (22 comments)
    April 10, 2010 at 4:39 am |

    First, let me say I am a Universe fan aside from being a Stargate fan. I agree that “Space” is the best episode of Universe yet, but I was disappointed. It reminds me of “Revenge of the Sith.” I liked the movie, but the pacing was horrid. “Space” was the same for me. It seemed rushed in places and too drawn out in others. I am really hoping for a repeat of what was done with “Air” on blu-ray; an extended version of the episode. I might like it more. As for the series at large, I expect great things down the line.

  25. nyda
    nyda
    (1 comments)
    April 10, 2010 at 5:28 am |

    Comments like “characters I don’t care about” always make me wonder what characters you possibly could care about, if not for these. Unlike a lot of TV-show characters, these at least try to be *somewhat* realistic flesh and blood. Personally, I care more about something that could possibly be a person than a mere icon, but I guess that’s just me then.

    As for the episode, I thought it was pretty good but not really outstanding. It seemed a bit rushed after all the previous “slow” episodes. Could probably have been better as a two-part episode.

  26. lastofthelight
    lastofthelight
    (5 comments)
    April 10, 2010 at 6:40 am |

    I agree that ‘Space’ was a watermark. It and ‘divided’ have gone a way towards actually getting things moving, which was one of the two big downsides of the show. It was, in fact, a high point for the show, yes.

    But it still wasn’t enough.

    The other fundamental problem of the show is that all of the characters are either fools, have the emotional maturity of teenagers, or both.

    Frankly, I don’t like -any- of them except Eli, and possibly Rush. There is nothing good or redeeming about any of them, and no real reason to care who wins or looses.

    But then again, noone is going to win or loose. At the end of the day, the status quo is god. Even Rush came back after a single episode, and the ‘rebellion’ went nowhere.

  27. jonno
    jonno
    (2 comments)
    April 10, 2010 at 10:23 am |

    I’m sorry Darren, but the argument that it the first 10 episodes was worth it to establish the characters and thus get a pay off doesn’t wash with me, because after those episodes I actually care less about most of them than I did before the first episode aired – Eli is fine and Rush interesting but apart from that Scott, Chloe, and TJ are dull, Wray is irritating, and Young an idiot. The bigger problem is there is no sense of cameraderie between any of them. In SG-1 and Atlantis, I cared about them all because I cared about the team, and didn’t want to see it broken up – that’s why the death of Dr. Fraiser was so effective, not only because I liked her character, but the effect it had on Sam and the rest of the team. In this show half of the cast are trying to kill the other half – even when they have more pressing problems in common. At the moment, the only one I would hate to see get killed off is Rush, and that’s not because he’s nice, but because he’s a mystery. They’ve failed to get me to care.

    As for the pay-off – the aliens, action and really wild things? It was OK. But not great – I hope it’ll get better, but it wasn’t a watershed moment, at least for me. The Goa’uld, Wraith and Replicators all had more effective introductions than these new aliens, which despite looking cool didn’t really do much except look surprised and shoot at things – their introduction was more akin to those big grey things in the Daedalus Variations than what I’d assume is the first vaguely recurring outside threat to the Destiny. I actually weirdly preferred Divided to Space despite it being even more focussed on the divisions between the crew.

    I’ll still watch to see where it goes – but I think they really need a consistent external threat to force the crew to bond (as friends not as bunkmates) – if there’s no sense that they’ll ever get along by the ends of things, that might have to be that. Which’ll be a shame as a long time Stargate fan.

  28. lmaceleighton
    lmaceleighton
    (31 comments)
    April 10, 2010 at 3:12 pm |

    I was watching some SG-1 the other day, the episode called 48 Hours where Teal’c got stuck in the Gate. Well they also introduced Rodney McKay, who in the beginning was an annoying, and very distasteful character whom I hated very much because of his arrogance, and general attitude toward Sam Carter. Then over time During some SG-1 and then Atlantis he slowly became one of my favorite characters. I am wondering if this is something that they are trying to achieve with these characters a bit. Start off with them not being so likable but over time give them opportunity to grow and the audience will like them more, it has worked for them in the past.

  29. junebug
    junebug
    (56 comments)
    April 10, 2010 at 3:23 pm |

    I thought it was great. I am liking that this is not a cookie cutter show. If someone wants this to be exactly like SG1 then why don’t they go watch SG1 again. I know, lets make every single show on SyFy the exact same, that way no one has to think any more than they need to to plop themselves on a couch!!!

  30. altera
    altera
    (155 comments)
    April 10, 2010 at 3:54 pm |

    “As for the pay-off – the aliens, action and really wild things?”

    The Big Pay-off are the results of the Character Development. The Aliens and such Things are a good supplement

  31. macc
    macc
    (1 comments)
    April 10, 2010 at 6:17 pm |

    I’m glad that so many people think that Space is a great episode. I’m one of those who won’t be watching it though. I said at the beginning I wanted to give SGU a whole season to grip me and I was determined to do that even though (despite some marvelous moments) most of the characters and stories didn’t grip me. What completely scunnered me though, was the totally ridiculous 4 MONTH mid season break. (with a young family my attention span just can’t take a 4 month break in the middle of a season) So I’ve given up…for now. I am slightly encouraged by the reports of the 2nd half being better so maybe when it’s repeated and I can watch the entire season without a break I’ll try again.

  32. flmatthew
    flmatthew
    (75 comments)
    April 10, 2010 at 7:11 pm |

    Well I finally enjoyed an episode of SJU. Finally we take most of the interaction amongst the people we all like to hate and add a race who just might kill a few of them off. For some reason I expect SGU to be space sci-fi and considering it is aboard a ship in space this episode works for me. I hope they have done enough in the concluding episodes of season one to hold the interest of us who are considered by most of you to be the “haters”. Good review guys. Keep up the good work. And, by the way, I like the fact that every article doesn’t need to have a comment section from us here on the funny farm. That is brilliant!

  33. Evilslayer
    Evilslayer
    (33 comments)
    April 10, 2010 at 7:36 pm |

    I have a question. How does 10 times 40 minutes add up to 10 hours?

    Other than that, I totally agree.

  34. jonno
    jonno
    (2 comments)
    April 10, 2010 at 7:43 pm |

    Rodney was dislikeable but entertaining and became likeable over time. This lot are dislikeable but to me mostly boring. That said, I said the same of Vala initially, but she got there by season 10.

    Junebug – that is a good point, and I’ll admit I’m not a soap opera fan, I can’t cope with all the melodrama. But I’m prepared to put up with it (I’m still watching), but I need some reason to cheer them on, and at the moment they’re all too flawed and unlikeable for me to really care whether they survive or not. And as not much else is around in the show to keep my interest other than the character interrelationships – they don’t seem to use the Stargate much to explore anywhere (what 3 planets so far?), there’s not been a developed outside threat at all, and after establishing that the ship sort of has a mind of its own, they’ve not really explored it all that much.

    I guess that’s my main point – if the pay off is meant to be the character development, then they’ve alienated me enough with the characters that I don’t care what they’re going through (compared to say Desmond in Lost, who I’m always rooting for). I admire them for attempting to do something different – a character drama – but I have to be honest, TPTB have never really developed characters that well in the past, but it was fine then because the situations the various teams were all in kept you interested and excited. Hopefully now with a couple of extra fresh writers back stage things will get better – fresh ideas. If the pay off was the aliens and the battle, then it wasn’t too different to what we saw in the Deadalus Variations.

    I’m not saying however they should have kept SG-1 or Atlantis. SG-1 should have ended after Threads (though by the end of season 10 I was getting back into it). Atlantis never really lived up to its promise from season 1 (in general). SGU is a nice idea that was needed for the franchise to last 5 or more years but has been in my opinion fairly poorly executed. It has potential – Time proved that (and is one of my favourite ever Stargate episodes) – and Space and more particularly Divided are an improvement (Chloe actually doing something at last may have helped) – but I disagree that they are a ‘watershed’ moment, for me there’s a LONG way to go before I’m sold – (one thing that might help … blow up those flipping communication stones! And the second thing? Remind someone that the big round thing spins and goes places, it’s not just a pretty ornament).

  35. mythos
    mythos
    (346 comments)
    April 10, 2010 at 9:25 pm |

    I felt that Space was the best episode so far. Not just because it broke off from the earlier episodes but also because it made it clear why the characters weren’t working before. Rather than explaining how the characters grew into who they were for character development, they started them all off child-like so that they could show them growing. But it wasn’t working…and at some point, they realized it. It would have had to have been early on as the show shifted in Space and it shifted further in Divided. And this would have occurred before Air even, well, aired. Be it target group tests, internal realizations or maybe even posts on Gateworld speaking out against Stargate becoming BSG. But through whatever method, it seems they realized the problem and shifted heavily away from it. Granted, it’s too soon to tell if they’ll stick with it. But if they do, the show may still yet make it.

  36. Eagalis
    Eagalis
    (52 comments)
    April 11, 2010 at 1:41 am |

    *

    I have a question. How does 10 times 40 minutes add up to 10 hours?

    Other than that, I totally agree.
    Evilslayer | April 10 @ 7:36 pm

    Evil 1 hour for each eppy that includes the commercials. Ya know there are some people who watched them when they aired so they couldn’t go past commercials. BTW this is not an attack its just a clarification for you.

  37. ictus75
    ictus75
    (46 comments)
    April 11, 2010 at 2:24 am |

    SGU has been great so far and Space was a great payoff. The aliens were perfect, being non-human. And the space battles were enough. I look forward to the rest of the season.

    As for how the aliens found the destiny so quickly, well, they are the same aliens we saw leaving the Destiny in a small ship (like the ones in Space) at the end of Air, part 3. So they have obviously been on board Destiny and are tracking it.

  38. katebekett
    katebekett
    (27 comments)
    April 11, 2010 at 7:22 am |

    Hi Eagalis, I understand what you are saying. But on the same token, the conversation is about the 1st 10 hours of SGU. I kind of agree with Evilslayer, That commercials about Toilet bowl cleaner, and feminine sanitary products are not directly related to SGU. Sure there’s some form a toilets onboard, and I’m sure they require cleaning, and we know that there’s females onboard, and they probably have the products they require in the Emergency Medical Kits. But I don’t think the writers of the Franchise had anything to do with the commercials, or their content. So we still have less than 10hrs of SGU.

  39. Cube
    Cube
    (75 comments)
    April 11, 2010 at 9:53 pm |

    and to explain with spoilers.

    I mean by acting strange Non of the alien crew mentioned they was taken over by the stones and on the same ship with the same humans they have in there water prison.

    and if they was using stones by intent to get info on humans then they just let the possible human threat in.

    there like a huge blue aliens that are as threating as the bumbling boris and natasha on rocky and bullwinkle.

    And they got pownd by some gamer kid who did not know how to use the weapons. not impressed.

  40. hebramleigh
    hebramleigh
    (5 comments)
    April 13, 2010 at 11:57 am |

    @Cube

    you comment are innsightfull and understand easy to. Keep up good the work, Cube!

  41. hebramleigh
    hebramleigh
    (5 comments)
    April 13, 2010 at 11:59 am |

    I apologize. The freshman English teacher in me took control of the keyboard in a moment of weakness.

  42. anparh
    anparh
    (2 comments)
    April 14, 2010 at 2:37 am |

    I think the SGU people have got something wrong about characterization. They have put the cart before the horse.
    Usually it is a better idea to narrate a person’s back story, his motivations, his emotional bonds after the character has become interesting for the audience, and not up front.

    Whenever one has a new 24 episode, new characters are introduced, and just by their interactions with their fellow characters and their behavior on screen, one gets to develop some form of sympathy or interest for them. Only after a certain is the character interesting enough that the viewer would want to know more about the characters. The characters hit the ground running in 24.
    Even on SG-1 or SGA, the characters were introduced and their back-stories were told much much later. The characters were interesting from word go. I personally don’t care from where a character is coming before I have seen the character in action.
    Shepard, McCay, Weir, Teyla, Ford, Beckett were all interesting because how they brought together the drama in an episode, and not because they had issues with their dads and sisters and ex-wives.

    With all the personal stories of these characters up front, SGU people have made their characters naked and uninteresting, and the episodes along with that.

    Rush and Greer are the only interesting guys left on the show, and I do not want to know about their back stories until the 4th season.

    Please make interesting episodes with high sci-fi drama, and leave the personal story for fill-ins in the next seasons.

  43. anparh
    anparh
    (2 comments)
    April 14, 2010 at 5:29 am |

    SGU should probably have started without this contact to Earth using the stones.

    The stones could have been brought into the drama in the second season. In the first season, the stones could have gone missing along with say some crew member responsible for them, who probably locked himself accidentally in some room on Destiny, and nobody knew that he managed to come on board or something, and in the second season, they find the missing crewman in the big ship. Whatever…. It is just an idea.

    In any case, it would have been much more interesting to get to know these fellas without their problems back on Earth. Their back story should have trickled in little by little.

  44. katikatnik
    katikatnik
    (261 comments)
    April 16, 2010 at 4:32 pm |

    Honestly, when I first read about the non-human aliens, I hoped that they would be similar to those SG-1 scorpion like invisible beings, you know, REALLY non-human.

  45. AudioWizzard
    AudioWizzard
    (5 comments)
    April 18, 2010 at 10:26 am |

    I have been a supporter of the Stargate Franchise and SGU all along. I’m still thrilled with the endless myriad of possibilities and discoveries that await us in the upcoming episodes. That 24%(?) (Really, that many?) of Stargate fans who wouldn’t even watch “Space” does not change the fact that they are choosing to miss out on what will end up being a really cool new series. Their loss! I love the new show! I just hate the whole concept of the split season. That at the moment is my only complaint. I look forward to what comes next with great anticipation. Keep cranking out the cool episodes and I predict a long run for SGU. Keep up the good work! Just show me the whole season in one swoop so that I don’t lose continuity in the story line. To me, that’s the deal breaker. Otherwise, I got nothing!

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