13 Responses

  1. Dex Luther
    Dex Luther
    March 8, 2011 at 1:12 am |

    Awesome podcast! Can’t wait for the new episodes.

  2. Jim
    March 8, 2011 at 1:16 am |

    Great podcast guys!!I think you covered pretty much all significant aspects of a possible mission..keep ’em coming,you’re awesome!I await the podcasts just as anxiously as the new episodes.

  3. Jenks
    March 8, 2011 at 2:57 am |

    “the universe is getting younger and younger as we move along”

    No it isn’t! I wish you guys would stop saying this. No part of the universe is any younger or any older than any other. Space is expanding at the same rate everywhere, it’s not expanding outward from a single point. There is no centre, there is no edge.

  4. Jim
    March 8, 2011 at 4:42 am |

    @Jenks That is true..in fact as they move along the effect is exactly the opposite,because they’re getting closer and closer to the real age,or in other words real time in that particular part of space.The younger period is recorded back on Earth where the radiation from that earlier time is only arriving.But,hey the guys are not astrophyisicists,nor is this show a Stephen Hawking documentary.It has so many plot holes,just as the rest of the stargate franchise.One being the main premise of the entire show..the possibility to just walk through a black hole event horizon and survive.

  5. 0s1r1s
    March 9, 2011 at 6:06 am |

    It’s a good job it’s not a black hole then isn’t it. It’s a wormhole, there is a difference.

    Come on, even our scientists don’t know everything there is to know about black holes, the fabric of space/time or any type of astrophysics – we’re not that advanced yet.

    “We know what we are, but know not what we may be.” William Shakespeare.

  6. Jim
    March 9, 2011 at 11:28 am |

    @Osiris It is a stable wormhole created by the black hole piercing spacetime.Wormholes and blackholes are connected in theory and in the show’s canon,since a wormhole cannot exist without a black hole at it’s entrance,which a Stargate artificially creates.And event horizon,so many times mentioned in stargate is a part of the black hole.Many things are unknown,but this one is pretty clear.
    Anyway suspension of disbelief is the key word here.Which doesn’t mean that there’s no plotholes within the established show canon and it’s continuity.There’s a lot of that in stargate,but it mostly serves the purpose of a story device.My point was just that,that we shouldn’t nit pick sg too much,because if we would start doing that,it be very hard to watch that show in any serious fashion whatsoever.

  7. mythos
    March 11, 2011 at 11:49 am |

    The universe doesn’t age. And we don’t actually move through it since it’s dimensions and relative perspective is undefined. So we move relative to other things in the universe, but not the universe itself. And a black hole isn’t necessary for a wormhole, though it would seem the likely easiest method to intentionally create one. Black holes are the the best way we presently know of to control gravity but we don’t even really understand how that works, yet alone whether it’s the best way. We also don’t know for certain if the relationship between gravity and space-time works the way that it seems to so it is likely that there are far more efficient and easier ways to bend space-time to create a wormhole that have nothing to do with black holes at all. It’s likely there are more direct ways to affect gravity and there may even be more direct ways to affect space-time.

  8. Jim
    March 11, 2011 at 1:47 pm |

    @mythos But that’s the way it was established and explained in the show.It’s the show’s canon.Sam explained the way stargate works on numerous occasions.
    Universe does age,since when it was created,both space and TIME have been created.So the universe few moments after the big bang was much younger than it is now.Time exists and it passes.
    We move relative to other things in the universe,but not the universe itself..WTF!?So what are we moving through then?If you say we move relative to other things IN THE UNIVERSE,that can only mean that we move through the universe.How else could we be moving relative to those things IN THE UNIVERSE,if we were moving through something else.And the fact that I move through the forest,for example and the forest covers a mountain..the fact that terrain’s dimension and relative perspective is undefined,uncharted and unknown to me,doesn’t mean that I don’t move through that mountainous terrain.
    And a claim that there are likely far more efficient and easier ways to bend spacetime and create a stable wormhole,than by artificially creating black hole is simply hilarious.Not because it is scientifically unfounded,but because of the way you fraze it.Like you were talking about the difference between an iphone and a windows phone.
    There is a very good reason this show is defined as science-FICTION.

  9. Jim
    March 11, 2011 at 1:53 pm |

    Let’s try a little experiment.
    Sky is blue. Now I’m gonna wait how long will it take mythos to start explaining how in fact it is not,that is just an optical illusion,interpretation of our brain,or whatever…LOL!!

  10. mythos
    March 11, 2011 at 5:56 pm |

    @Jim – I don’t recall Sam saying that stargates work based on black holes, though I do remember her talking about how the wormhole wasn’t like a black hole and I remember several references to the effects of black holes on wormholes. And the universe doesn’t age. It technically doesn’t even change. What’s inside of it changes a lot and often but it doesn’t. It’s simply a layer between what is and what isn’t part of it. Our perception of it ages, it does not itself age. And time has been proven to be relative, so to say it ‘passes’ is incorrect because under the right circumstances, it wouldn’t ‘pass’, if using such semantics.

    In physics, all things are measured from the perspective of an observer. Since the universe itself doesn’t have a point of state, it can’t be an observer.

    And the sky is actually violet. Anyone with google can prove it. Just because you like to believe something doesn’t mean it has to be the truth. ;)

  11. Jim
    March 15, 2011 at 5:25 am |

    @mythos How can a perception age? And there’s no difference berween universe and the things inside it.It all IS UNIVERSE.Any school boy/girl knows that.Planeth Earth isn’t only in the universe,it is part of the universe,just like you and me and every single subparticle.
    We percieve time as passing,but in fact it is a dymension of universe,which proves the point that universe ages even more so.Do you ever go back and read what you write?I ask,because it is amazing how often you contradict yourself,even within the same post.
    And if you don’t know that event horizon is a part of the black hole,well check it out.Sam does explain how an artificial bh is created by the stargate,which is scientifically plausible(in theory only,of course)and how it then goes into creating a stable wormhole,which is pure fiction,because it scientifically cannot exist.Not even in theory.Wormhole,theoretically yes,a stable one,no.Gravitational forces and the point of singularity make that impossible.
    And the ways black holes affected sg wormholes in the show..also FICTION.

  12. mythos
    March 15, 2011 at 10:10 am |

    @Jim – The idea that everything is the universe is a very old one. No current model of physics supports that anymore. It is what we’re sometimes taught in school because it’s easier to explain things that way and for the most part, even the teachers responsible for teaching it don’t understand it any better. Like much of what’s taught in primary and secondary education, it’s tinted so it makes sense. I’m not saying there’s a better way…their little heads would probably pop if someone tried to explain string or membrane theories to them. Not that either of those are turning out to be right anyhow, but they’re examples that have been mentioned enough that people have heard of them. And I do go back and read what I’ve written at times. Because I sometimes don’t get to finish a post all at once, I do tend to repeat the same thing in different ways. But I haven’t really caught myself contradicting myself, except for the occasional typo or incorrect tense.

    And an event horizon is the description of a perspective of a black hole. It’s not technically ‘part’ of it since it couldn’t be removed from it. And I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure that Sam said it was ‘like’ a black hole, not that it was one. I could be wrong, though. I have been re-watching Sg1 and SGA but I finished SG1 a few weeks back and it is 10 seasons of material so I could well be wrong. Or it may be that I’m remembering one explanation of it and you’re remembering another from different episodes.

    And actually, I was just reading in the last few days about scientists working on the feasibility of a stable wormhole (http://news.discovery.com/space/wormholes-connecting-stars-110305.html) so there are actually theories that support the possibility of stable wormholes. It is a bit fringe right now, yes, but you said “not even in theory”. But so was the idea of atoms at one point. And it is very likely that a black hole could affect a wormhole in some of the ways it did in Stargate. Gravity could potentially travel through one, so the episode where they had to use the targeted blast to close the active wormhole because of the black hole on the other side, while not likely, isn’t impossible.

    Again, Jim, I’m not trying to be right or wrong. We don’t know enough yet. I will debate the details of possible and impossible but I know that only time will reveal what is and isn’t. Of course, if no one had an opinion on it and just waited to see what happened, the conversations about it would get quite boring: “I think stars can explode” – 2 million years later -“You’re right”.

  13. Tripgate
    March 16, 2011 at 12:47 am |

    I hear you guys on how strange it will be not having any new Stargate after this season. You were 3, I was born right along with the 1st season of TNG. For the first time ever, there will be no “Star” shows.

    I would say the next best thing is Eureka.

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